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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar B and Lazarre.

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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it has always Bara.

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Speaker 3: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bar.

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Speaker 2: The safety class is terrible.

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Speaker 3: Catch. It's not good.

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Speaker 2: It's not it's terrible. Just say it's terrible.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it's no, no, no, it's terrible.

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Speaker 2: Say it's terrible, Alex, it's terrible.

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Speaker 1: It's not great. It's it's I don't know what I

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Speaker 1: was arguing against there. It's not great, it's not great.

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Speaker 1: It's one of the worst safety classes I've seen in

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Speaker 1: a while. The problem is there's like four really good

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Speaker 1: safeties from a total of two schools, and then there's

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Speaker 1: nobody else.

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Speaker 2: Correct, it's either the Alabama duo or it's the Illinois duo,

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Speaker 2: and then there's nothing else.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 1: But so, okay, I think this is what my problem

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Speaker 1: was at the time when you brought that up. I

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Speaker 1: think that Jordan Battle is one of the most slept

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Speaker 1: on players in this entire driving.

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Speaker 3: Leg which does not mean the safety class is not bad.

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Speaker 3: But I will not.

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Speaker 1: Let people disrespect Jordan Battle. He's my safety too. Same

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Speaker 1: Brian Branch Jordan Battle, quite Kwan Martintavius Martin from Illinois. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you like Martin better than Brown just overall. I like

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Speaker 1: Martin better for the Patriots. I think Brown's a better

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably it, Okay. I just am sick of

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Speaker 2: seeing box safeties that covered tight.

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Speaker 3: Ends exactly exactly.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's get a more rangy guy like but like.

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Speaker 3: Teams are gonna like Sidney Brown.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I remember Jalen Petrie said this to Douce earlier.

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Speaker 2: Reminds me of Jayleen Petrie.

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Speaker 1: People were really high on him around here. People love

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Speaker 1: hair on fire all right.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, Evan Lazar Alex Barth with you for the next

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Speaker 2: hour or so, breaking down the draft one week to go, Alex,

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Speaker 2: It's it's hard to believe that we're one week out

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Speaker 2: from the NFL Draft right about now. Probably take a

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Speaker 2: little nap, wake up from that nap, start to get

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Speaker 2: ready to come here for the draft party and the

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Speaker 2: Draft show on Thursday night. We're gonna be on for

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Speaker 2: the entire first round. You're gonna get another real reaction

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Speaker 2: from me live on air. Hopefully I contain myself a

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Speaker 2: little bit better than I did last year, but can't

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Speaker 2: make any promises. And you know the rule if they

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Speaker 1: I don't actually I think we don't tell people. Do

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Speaker 2: We don't tell people.

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Speaker 3: We'll find out that night if they do.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, So today we're gonna talk about some news here.

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Speaker 2: Off the top of the show. We got a little

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Speaker 2: breaking news Patriots action. And then we also got some

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Speaker 2: news this morning that I find very very fascinating and

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Speaker 2: interesting that Alex and I disagree on. So it's gonna

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Speaker 2: Eight five to five Pats five hundred is the phone number.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to some of these calls that are already

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Speaker 2: and that is that. Apparently, according to Eagles Beat writers,

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Speaker 1: Wait, we are there are people digging here. Zack Cox

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Speaker 2: Maybe they jumped the gun and they published it and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that could be it. I I say this in

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Speaker 2: all sincerity, and I know you're you're as you before

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Speaker 2: but you're you're you're celebrating a little bit, Alex that

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Speaker 3: He was no it.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't entirely his fault. He was put in a

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Speaker 2: I will say this though about it. I use this

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Speaker 2: But that's my point is is that at some point

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Speaker 1: I The other interesting thing is people on UH in

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Speaker 2: He'll get over it. I think the biggest thing is

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Speaker 1: I think there is certainly a clean washing in the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was on the table, I do.

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Speaker 1: So Tim McManus, who had that original report, has followed

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Speaker 2: So they jumped the gun. M they jump.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, it happens. Interesting, it happens.

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Speaker 2: Chris Pherrera would never, Chris Ferrera would never, but it

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Speaker 2: I think that that's the right path for Patricia, though,

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Speaker 2: Forget the first ten minutes of the show. Yeah, irrelevant.

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Speaker 2: The more exciting news that I'm really I'm glad we

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Speaker 2: potentially because every single thing that we have heard from

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Speaker 2: and I'm not saying it's as bad as this, but

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Speaker 2: just a comparison. Yeah, the Arizona Cardinals drafted Josh Rosen

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Speaker 2: Well, Kyle's pretty good quarterbacks? I take Kyle, how often

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Speaker 3: Picking again this year?

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Speaker 2: I take Tyler?

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Speaker 3: Where's that team picking? Where are they picking again?

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Speaker 3: No, I think this is one.

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Speaker 1: I think there's that, you know, get information on a

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Speaker 2: Your theory is essentially smoke screen.

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Speaker 1: Yes, smoke screen with some until we might face this guy.

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Speaker 3: Let's let's find out. You know, he grew up a

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Speaker 1: But there's a good picture of him at training camp,

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Speaker 1: but before. But the point being, and he's not the

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Speaker 1: they met with and this isn't like twenty seventeen to

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Speaker 3: Door Tom Brady. They were meeting with quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: For them to draft.

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Speaker 1: Will Levis too, and look, they've broken some trends in

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Speaker 1: draft Will Levis as like a guy would be throwing

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Speaker 1: out every single thing we know about what they believe

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Speaker 2: The tweet Bill O'Brien stuff.

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Speaker 1: Well, the three things Bill O'Brien looks for in a quarterback,

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Speaker 1: and it was basically, does he know what he's looking

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Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think so? Okay, think so

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Speaker 1: I do? How well does he handle pressure?

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Speaker 1: And does he not turn the ball over? Which Will

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Speaker 1: interception ratio at Kentucky is forty three to twenty five.

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Speaker 1: That's well under two to one. He turns and that's

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Speaker 1: not a lot of pass attempts. He threw the ball

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Speaker 1: This is a guy who is not experienced. This is

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Speaker 1: bad decisions. When I hear people get all hot and

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Speaker 1: Oh look, how Fari through the ball? Who caught it?

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Speaker 1: It's not important. Look how far the ball went.

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Speaker 2: You're going to do this.

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Speaker 1: He's an over correction to Josh Allen, and I under like,

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Speaker 1: this is the NFL's copycat league team. See what happened

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Speaker 1: with Josh Allen, and they're like, we want to get

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Speaker 1: our Josh Allen. But the reality is for every Josh Allen,

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Speaker 1: you are going to get twenty Zach Wilson's If every

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Speaker 1: quarterback that looks like Josh Allen coming out turned into

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen, nobody would draft quarterbacks because all thirty two

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Speaker 1: teams would have a superstar. Right now, That's the reality

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Speaker 1: of it. The work it took to turn Josh Allen

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna draft Will Levis, you'd better be an

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Speaker 3: How exactly has that gone around here?

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Speaker 1: Evan?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I this that point right there. I agree with

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Speaker 3: And let me just add one more thing.

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Speaker 1: People will hear that and come back at me and say, well,

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Speaker 1: you like Anthony Richardson, And Anthony Richardson is also a project. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson is also a project. But one when you're

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Speaker 1: looking at these project guys, you're looking at flashes. Right,

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Speaker 1: How often does he look like what you think he's

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Speaker 3: It is ceiling.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot more flashes with Anthony Richardson than

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Speaker 1: there are with Will Levis. The other thing it Richardson's younger,

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Speaker 1: there's more physical upside. I think he's more physically gifted

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Speaker 1: anthonyspect look. I love when I Will Levis first came

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Speaker 1: Will Levis in the fourth round or tournament at Taysom Hill.

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Speaker 1: Now he's developed a bit more as a passer since then,

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Speaker 2: Evan, I think he has developed a lot. And I

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Speaker 2: think that that's who's your comp for Will Levis?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I want to use the same comp used

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Speaker 1: when we were texting about this two weeks ago, Carson went,

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Speaker 1: where's he?

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Speaker 3: So, where's he? Where is he?

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Speaker 2: I understand where he is, but here's my thing. Where

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Speaker 2: just just let me here's what we all know where

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Speaker 2: Carson Wentz is all right, he's he's on his couch

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Speaker 1: Rest, not the USFL. He's not in the XFL, so

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Speaker 2: Here's my thing with Will Levis. You mentioned the mental

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Speaker 2: makeup with a player. Does he have the drive? Does

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Speaker 2: he have the focus, the attention to detail, and the

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Speaker 2: want to just the drive, the want to to be great?

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Speaker 2: Because he has all of the physical tools that you

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Speaker 1: Excellent ar his release isn't consistent. Again, when he has

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Speaker 2: But his his release is is pretty pretty damn.

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Speaker 3: Quick, not consistently.

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Speaker 2: Just I know, I know, I know you don't like him.

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Speaker 2: All right, let me let me let me use play

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Speaker 2: the other side of the corner for a second. The

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Speaker 2: things that I see with Will Levis, there's one big

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Speaker 2: thing you need to have as a quarterback for me

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Speaker 2: to buy in. And Anthony Richardson has it too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Do you understand the optics of the quarterback position or

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Speaker 2: your eyes in the right place, are your cadences correct,

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Speaker 2: above the ways throwing motion. We're not talking about feet

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Speaker 2: your actual motion itself. If Tim Tebow was an athlete

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Speaker 2: playing quarterback, right, Anthony Richardson and Will Lewis are quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: who are athletes.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that about Levis.

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Speaker 1: Look, I think there are places Levis can go and succeed.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's not an NFL quarterback, but to me,

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Speaker 1: he's got to be in a Shanahan system that's paint

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Speaker 1: by number. He's gonna let him use his legs, not

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Speaker 2: That's fair.

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Speaker 1: He I just don't think in what we believe Bill. Now,

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Speaker 1: maybe Bill o Brian's can.

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Speaker 3: Do somebody he's never done before.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But okay, here's the other thing. Right on those lines,

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Speaker 2: couldn't you see Bill Belichick after two years with Mac

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Speaker 3: I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: You don't think that any part of him looks around

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Speaker 2: the league and see Allen and Hurts and all these

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Speaker 1: That would be to me a misdiagnosis or an incomplete diagnosis.

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Speaker 1: Because the issues, and we we've done how many times

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Speaker 1: He's got receivers that can't get open. He's got receivers that,

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Speaker 1: He's still going to pass rushers in his lap. But

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Speaker 3: Guys to throw the football too.

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Speaker 1: That's not the fix that like, it's not an instant

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Speaker 2: So I think that the things I like about Will

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Speaker 2: not to like toot my own horn, but I wasn't

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Speaker 2: erratic and makes zero sense. There are times where he's

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Speaker 2: around back there, and you're just like, what are you doing, dude? Right? Like,

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Speaker 2: why this is? It's a layup?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: And you got to hit the layups. You gotta hit

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Speaker 2: If he's gonna succeed in the NFL, he's got to

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Speaker 2: be more consistent from the pocket. I think that we

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Speaker 2: I can't I can't deal with that.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he sees it that way, especially when

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Speaker 1: So he's coming back his issues with pressure that's not

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Speaker 1: They get a clean pocket, They could have two hands

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Speaker 3: We're not.

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Speaker 1: I'm not just having this conversation in the context of

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Speaker 1: will Leve's the prospect. I'm having this conversation the context

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Speaker 1: of you're drafting will Levs, trading mac Jones and making

442
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Speaker 1: him the starter.

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Speaker 3: He's not a year one guy. He's not. He's not,

444
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Speaker 3: and you're gonna put him.

445
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Speaker 1: In an immense pressure situation behind a not put together

446
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Speaker 1: offensive line.

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Speaker 2: It's fair, It's all fair. I just think that the

448
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Speaker 2: two things that I come back to are, for example,

449
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Speaker 2: his interceptions is now, interception numbers are not great, but

450
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Speaker 2: he threw an interception against Georgia where he tried to

451
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Speaker 2: fit a ball into the cover two hole along the

452
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Speaker 2: sideline that was there. But Killey Ringo just jumped it

453
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Speaker 2: and made a really good play on it for an interception.

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Speaker 1: Now, so I would say go back many how many

455
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Speaker 1: of his like big completions or wide receivers making absurd plays,

456
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Speaker 1: because there's a lot of them.

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Speaker 2: When we get to the NFL. I think that Josh

458
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Speaker 2: Allen as much of a cannon as Josh Allen has.

459
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Speaker 2: I think that he and Mahomes and some of these

460
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Speaker 2: other guys had to learn a little bit it too.

461
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Speaker 2: You can't hit every single throw, And the throw that

462
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Speaker 2: he tried to hit in the honey hole to down

463
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Speaker 2: the sideline against Georgia was one of those throws that

464
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Speaker 2: he had flashed open for a second like it was there,

465
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Speaker 2: but against a defense like Georgia that then closes a

466
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Speaker 2: lot against. So you got to learn how to harness it.

467
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Speaker 2: You gotta learn when to use it and when to

468
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Speaker 2: fold right. That That's a big thing about about quarterbacks

469
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Speaker 2: like that that think that they can make every throw

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Speaker 2: on the planet because they have that level of arm, talent,

471
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Speaker 2: the stuff under pressure. I think the biggest concern that

472
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Speaker 2: I have with him under pressure is that he should

473
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Speaker 2: have better escapability in the pocket than he does because

474
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Speaker 2: he's a good athlete, and he can run. When he

475
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Speaker 2: decides to tuck it and run, he can run. But

476
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Speaker 2: he does not have that innate feel for rushers around him.

477
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Speaker 2: And he's a little bit of a statue even though

478
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Speaker 2: he's not a statue, right, So can you fix that

479
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Speaker 2: in theory. He's got the tools to fix it. But

480
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Speaker 2: is that ever going to come natural to him where

481
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Speaker 2: he has got that sixth sense and he's got that

482
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Speaker 2: eyes on the back of his head to just feel

483
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Speaker 2: it coming and get out of it. That will be

484
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Speaker 2: the biggest hurdle that he has to clear in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: I just think.

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Speaker 1: So here's a number that keeps standing out to me,

487
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Speaker 1: and this is from Daniel Jeremiah on NFL dot com.

488
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Speaker 1: You know, nearly a quarter of his passes in his

489
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Speaker 1: career were thrown behind the line of scrimmage. That Tennessee

490
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 1: offense is really unique. It's a run heavy, screen heavy offense,

491
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Speaker 1: and then when they suck in, they throw deep down

492
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Speaker 1: the field. There's no intermediate, there's a very little short game.

493
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Speaker 1: It's all behind the line of scrimp.

494
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Speaker 3: There is RPO.

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Speaker 1: But the point being like, this is a guy that

496
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Speaker 1: really hasn't done a lot.

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Speaker 3: He's very raw, and I just.

498
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Speaker 1: Think if you he needs I go back to the

499
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Speaker 1: Shanahan thing, if you put him in a quarterback friendly offense,

500
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Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to maximize his physical tools. But

501
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Speaker 1: this is when we talk about New England, an offensive

502
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Speaker 1: coordinator who generally and again he could come in and

503
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Speaker 1: do something completely different. But do we really think he's

504
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: gonna do that a quarterback heavy impact offense and they

505
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 1: don't exactly have the most quarterback friendly wide receivers. That

506
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Speaker 1: doesn't mean they're not good, but they don't play a

507
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Speaker 1: quarterback friendly style of football, whereas like Jacoby Myers was

508
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Speaker 1: their quarterback friendly wide receiver.

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Speaker 3: Right, So you're.

510
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Speaker 1: Taking this guy that needs a lot of help around,

511
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 1: can be good, needs a lot of help around him,

512
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Speaker 1: and you're putting in a player he's not gonna have that.

513
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Speaker 1: Didn't we just do this? Didn't we just do this?

514
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Speaker 1: And I've said it before, I'll say it again. If

515
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Speaker 1: Mac maybe Max's not the guy, Maybe he's not. I

516
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 1: am totally open to that possibility. I would so much

517
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Speaker 1: rather find out whether or not that's true this year,

518
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Speaker 1: and then go get a guy next year.

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Speaker 3: Then burn the fourteenth.

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Speaker 1: Pick, because I'll tell you this, If they use the

521
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Speaker 1: fourteenth pick on Will Levis this year and I'm right

522
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Speaker 1: about him, we're gonna be kicking ourselves next year when

523
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Speaker 1: they can't draft Drake may or they can't draft Michael Pennox,

524
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Speaker 1: or they can't draft kJ Jefferson Will Levison. Next year's

525
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Speaker 1: class is QB like six or seven.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So there's the final thing I'll say with Levis.

527
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Speaker 2: Then we can move on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: All I am saying to you about this meeting with

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Speaker 2: Will Levis is that And I don't mean getting to

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Speaker 2: know him in terms of all the other smoke screen

532
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Speaker 2: or future. Bringing him in for a visit is the

533
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,640
Speaker 2: right thing to do. It's the right thing to do.

534
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Speaker 3: Oh, I don't disagree with that.

535
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Speaker 2: If he gets if he comes into this building and

536
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 2: he says he's just oozing with that and tangible IT

537
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 2: factor and that quality of I am going to work

538
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 2: my butt off to be great, then you have to

539
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,880
Speaker 2: entertain the idea. You have to think about it because

540
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Speaker 2: if this guy is going to put in the work

541
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Speaker 2: like Josh Allen put in the work like other guys

542
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Speaker 2: in that mold have put in the work to fix

543
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Speaker 2: their flaws that are fixable and be great. Then he

544
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Speaker 2: has such a higher ceiling than what you're working with

545
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Speaker 2: now that you have to at least have the conversation.

546
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Speaker 2: And you can't have the conversation until you get to

547
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 2: know the.

548
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Speaker 1: Okay, but you talk about high ceiling, what are you

549
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 1: doing to maximize that ceiling?

550
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Speaker 2: Ultimately, maybe the conversation ends like maybe you and the Bills, right,

551
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 2: Bill O'Brien and Bill Belichick and matc grow and Elliott

552
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 2: Wolf and Cam Williams sit down at the table and

553
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 2: they say, it's an enticing proposition. He's got really enticing tools.

554
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Speaker 2: But we're given we all agree that it's not the answer. Right,

555
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 2: Maybe that's all it is. But you you owe it

556
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Speaker 2: to the yourself and you owe it to the football

557
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 2: team to have every single option to upgrade on the table,

558
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Speaker 2: and that includes at the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I'm not saying that's not true. I'm just saying

560
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Speaker 1: my guess would be the result of that meeting is

561
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Speaker 1: there's not enough there for them to say we're going

562
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Speaker 1: to change the entire dream, because I hear you, what

563
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 1: are we talking about here? We're talking about changing the

564
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Speaker 1: entire direction of the organization. Yes, Okay, the guys you

565
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Speaker 1: have on the one and two year contracts, Romandre Seems

566
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: and Kyle Dugar, Matthew Judon, those guys are now no

567
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: longer signed through your contending window. You could resign them,

568
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 1: but that becomes another car. Now they become potential trade

569
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 1: piece because again you have to put more around Will Levis.

570
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: You're talking about a reset. Robert Kraft at the owners

571
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 1: meetings said, it is very important that the Patriots make

572
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:22,959
Speaker 1: the playoffs this year. Drafting Will Levis. It starts is

573
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Speaker 1: making the playoffs in twenty twenty five and twenty twenty year.

574
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Speaker 3: You have to not in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: The other side of it, other than you know what

576
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 2: I just laid out about doing the due diligence, is

577
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 2: that if you truly do not believe that Mac Jones

578
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 2: is the guy, then even more reason to do all

579
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Speaker 2: the homework on the quarterbacks that could be in your

580
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 2: range this year.

581
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Again, I just think because I don't.

582
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Speaker 2: Think that you're going to be picking any higher next year,

583
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Speaker 2: right if Mac Jones is your quarterback again this year,

584
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Speaker 2: even if you have another bad season, bad season, you're

585
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Speaker 2: still going to be picking in the teams you're not

586
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Speaker 2: going to be picking in the top ten.

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Speaker 3: I don't know about that.

588
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Speaker 2: You're not going to be picking in the top ten.

589
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 2: You're not. They didn't picking the top ten in twenty

590
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 2: twenty with Cam Newton as a COVID roster. As long

591
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Speaker 2: as Bill Belichick is here, and now they have Bill

592
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 2: O'Brien on the offense side of the ball, the best

593
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 2: case scenario is probably picking at like twelve, thirteen, fourteen.

594
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Speaker 2: And I say best, it's really worse.

595
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Speaker 1: But like you know what, I just think with what

596
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: you have right now offensively, there's not enough to evaluate

597
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: in that offensive Mac Jones or Will anybody is.

598
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 2: I'm not evaluating the offense. I'm evaluating Will Levis, And

599
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 2: I'm saying, if this guy's got the drive and he's

600
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 2: got the hunger. And I think that's one interesting thing

601
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Speaker 2: about his background.

602
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: Is that he don't think Mac Jones is the hunger.

603
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: You don't think Mack Jones I do. But he doesn't

604
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: have the physical tools that Will Levis has. He's also

605
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: much better pure passer than Will Levis's And that's the day.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting.

607
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Speaker 1: I know you, I know we all like seeing quarterbacks

608
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: run around at the end of the day, quarterback needs

609
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: to throw Josh Allen, who everybody loves because look at him, go,

610
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: oh my god, Josh Allen said this week and what

611
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: did he say this week? Even as a top five quarterback,

612
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Speaker 1: he needs to be more of a passer in less

613
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: than that. Yes, but you have the quarterbacks to run

614
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: around behind. You have to find out, you have to

615
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: do the homework and you have to find out does

616
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: this guy have it between the ears? Does he have

617
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: that moxie? Does he have that drive? Does he that

618
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: want you to be great? Because he's a better physical athlete,

619
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: a better physical the end of the day, that again,

620
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: he runs around fun every quarter back runs around. Now,

621
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen told you he needs to be more of

622
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Speaker 1: a passer and less than an athlete.

623
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Him. He can't go out there and run over.

624
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Speaker 3: Your golden boy.

625
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Speaker 1: If your golden boy telling you this is the truth

626
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: won't get it through to you, then I don't know.

627
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: But that position, at the end of the day, it's

628
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: not just it's about passing more than anything else.

629
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Speaker 3: It's about than anything else what.

630
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Speaker 2: Non mobile pocket passer and today's NFL is succeeding. Name one,

631
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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow like Joe Burrow. But Burrow is still more

632
00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 2: mobile than Mac.

633
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Speaker 3: Is he like that much?

634
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 2: He's not a ton, but he's still also I again,

635
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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow is the one example of a guy that

636
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 2: isn't isn't physically ridiculously gifted in terms of his mobility.

637
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Speaker 1: What about And okay, like, I don't know what your

638
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: definition on succeeding is, but a top ten offense. If

639
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: I give you a top ten offense, if you're gonna

640
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: say Kirk Cousins, Yeah, oh my goodness. Do you think

641
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: where do you think this offense would be with Kirk

642
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: Cousins right now?

643
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 3: Well?

644
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Speaker 1: If they also had justin Jefferson pretty okay? Well, but

645
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: they don't also Okay, but that's my point. Maybe go

646
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Speaker 1: get that guy that maximizes the quarterback instead of diving

647
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: back into the quarterback Carros, I'll hit the reset button.

648
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Speaker 2: Okay. All I said to you was this, and this

649
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 2: is a total copy. Do answer on my part to

650
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 2: a degree. But what I saw on film from Will

651
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 2: Levis is at least enough to bring him in for the.

652
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Speaker 3: I don't disagree.

653
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Speaker 1: I don't disagree, but I'm saying because I can't make

654
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: guys like Will Levis are hard for me because I

655
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: don't know what his mental makeup is.

656
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Speaker 2: I don't know that Will Levis. I've never met him before,

657
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 2: I never talked to him before. I don't have the

658
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Speaker 2: ability to call him in for a thirty visit with

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Speaker 2: yours truly in the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts and

660
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 2: getting to know Will Levis as a person, and does

661
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Speaker 2: he have that wake up at six am, go to

662
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Speaker 2: bed at eight pm, and that in the fourteen hours

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Speaker 2: that I'm awake.

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Speaker 1: It's foot all you want. If that's all you want,

665
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Speaker 1: we know Mac Jones.

666
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Speaker 3: Checks that box.

667
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's but that's not all I want. Okay, but

668
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 2: Mac Jones checks all those boxes with what is admittedly

669
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Speaker 2: a middling physical skill set.

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Speaker 1: It's just that's just And Will Levis has nothing that

671
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: caps him. The turnovers don't worry you at all.

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Speaker 2: I didn't say that. I said that. I think that

673
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Speaker 2: a lot of the things that Will Levis does is fixable.

674
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Speaker 2: Whoever has the drive to be great, he will fix them.

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Speaker 1: Whoever is at quarterback in this offense, Yes, needs more

676
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Speaker 1: than what's currently there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt.

678
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Speaker 1: They don't need second and third round picks. They need

679
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Speaker 1: a top twenty talent to help unlock the offense.

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Speaker 2: I don't disagree, all.

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Speaker 3: Right, so how about you.

682
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying I'd rather go get the guy that

683
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Speaker 1: helps the offense and hit the reset button.

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Speaker 2: That's fair And maybe that's the evaluation that I would

685
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Speaker 2: come to too. If I got Will Levis on a whiteboard,

686
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Speaker 2: or if I ask Will, say Will after this, like

687
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 2: where are you going? Like what are you doing? You

688
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 2: know tomorrow?

689
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: Right?

690
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Speaker 2: What are you doing tomorrow? Will? And he says to me, oh, yeah,

691
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Speaker 2: you know me, Me and my buddy is got a

692
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 2: trip to Vegas plan It's gonna be great. I'd be like, okay.

693
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Speaker 2: But if he says to me, oh uh yeah, I'm

694
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Speaker 2: going out to California because for the next month I'm

695
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: gonna be training with Jordan Palmer, I'm gonna be like, okay,

696
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 2: I this guy might get it right. And if I

697
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Speaker 2: put him up on the white board and he's breaking

698
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Speaker 2: down has juke and he knows all of his reason,

699
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Speaker 2: you know where to go to with the football and

700
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Speaker 2: say Okay, that's impressive. So now we have some we

701
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Speaker 2: have the drive, we have mental makeup, and we already

702
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Speaker 2: know what I would tell him that he's got the physical.

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Speaker 1: What I would do is call Matthew, Judean, Joshu j

704
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Speaker 1: Christian Barmore and have them come in the meeting, get

705
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Speaker 1: all in his face, and then see if he can

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Speaker 1: still break it down. Because it's a long way his issues.

707
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying around the way his issues.

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Speaker 3: It's on tape.

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Speaker 1: You're not going to sort out a meeting. He can't

710
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Speaker 1: turn the ball over in a meeting. If he and

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Speaker 1: if he, if he does, we very much have our answer.

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Speaker 2: Okay, mances to do that.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get to some of these phones and

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Speaker 1: then we'll talk to Macro, Matthew and Texas. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: having hanging on Matthew.

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Speaker 5: How you doing pretty good?

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Speaker 2: Hey good? Thanks?

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Speaker 6: So who I want them to? I want say Flowers

719
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Speaker 6: and obviously because it's a wide receiver and we don't

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Speaker 6: have any wide receivers right now. And I heard a

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Speaker 6: camp the other day for him, and I wanted to

722
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Speaker 6: know what your your guys just calm for him was

723
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Speaker 6: And the comp that I had heard was Antonio Brown.

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Speaker 6: And when I heard that, I mean, we wouldn't want that,

725
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Speaker 6: you know, without all the off field issues. And I

726
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Speaker 6: guess your guys' opinion as to like who he is

727
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Speaker 6: most similar to in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: Sure, sure, so thanks for the call, Matthew. I've heard

729
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Speaker 2: Antonio Brown for Jay Flowers too. You might have started that,

730
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Speaker 2: did I U? I heard Antonio Brown forse Flowers too.

731
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Speaker 2: I've mentioned it as a ceiling like hits it ten

732
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Speaker 2: out of ten jackpot right, right, type of comp for him.

733
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Speaker 2: There are similarities to the ways the two guys move

734
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Speaker 2: on a football field, just in terms of the explosiveness,

735
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Speaker 2: the routes that they run, things like that. He's not

736
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Speaker 2: going to be Antonio Brown. And this is the one

737
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Speaker 2: thing that I don't like about player comparisons is I

738
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Speaker 2: feel like just because you compare a guy to a player,

739
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Speaker 2: that automatically means that in ten years their resume is

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Speaker 2: going to look exactly like that the player you compared

741
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Speaker 2: him to. Right, when I compare do player comparisons, I'm

742
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Speaker 2: just telling you how the guy plays, how does he

743
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 2: win on an NFL football field. That doesn't necessarily mean

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Speaker 2: he's gonna be a ten thousand career receiving yards Antonio

745
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Speaker 2: Brown level talent. I'm not no one thinks that. I

746
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 2: think a more realistic comp and I use this one

747
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Speaker 2: on my big board for Patriots fans. I think this

748
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Speaker 2: is relatable. I see a lot of Dion Branch to

749
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Speaker 2: his game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that one.

751
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Speaker 1: And Dion Branch and him are very similar sizes, they

752
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Speaker 1: are very similar forty times, and they have a similar

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Speaker 1: skill set. But I would also just mention with the

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Speaker 1: Dion comp you gotta think about Dion Branch in today's

755
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: NFL right not how the Patriots used him in two thousand.

756
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Speaker 1: He was probably of his time right now, he would.

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Speaker 2: Be playing in these spread offenses out of the slot

758
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 2: and running the routes all over the place. He'd be

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Speaker 2: used a little bit differently. So I like Dian Branch,

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Speaker 2: I like Antonio Brown if you want to, if you

761
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Speaker 2: want to have fun with they didn't care to dream.

762
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Speaker 2: But the Zay Flowers thing is really fascinating because we've

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Speaker 2: heard a lot about it out there, Alex about how

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Speaker 2: this is not a good receiver class and there's no

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Speaker 2: first round talents, and I've pushed back on it. But

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Speaker 2: whatever it was, Zay, I'm even I'm even more sold

767
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Speaker 2: on Zay than I was a couple of weeks ago

768
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Speaker 2: because of one reason. The Kansas City Chiefs. The Kansas

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Speaker 2: City Chiefs just sent Zay Flowers to throw with Patrick

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Speaker 2: Mahomes in a private workout yesterday. If you were now

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Speaker 2: telling me that Andy Reid sees it with Zay Flowers also,

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Speaker 2: and Brett Veach sees it with it with Zay Flowers also,

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Speaker 2: you better take that guy at fourteen.

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Speaker 1: Or are they telling you that they think he's like

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Speaker 1: a thirtieth pick and not a four fourteenth pick.

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Speaker 3: I'm kidding.

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Speaker 2: No, you're right, you're right that they might think that.

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Speaker 3: And no, but here's the they they trade up as

779
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 3: much as any team.

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Speaker 1: They trade them with the Patriots last year. In recent years,

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Speaker 1: they like moving up.

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Speaker 3: I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: Let's see what I wonder what the Steelers think. Right,

784
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: they're the ultimate authority on this, But.

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm beginning to think that the Chiefs are

786
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 2: deserve a spot at the table and the ultimate authority

787
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Speaker 2: for anything offense. If and sides off on a player,

788
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 2: then I am now sold. Whether it was Jay Flowers,

789
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 2: Josh Downs, Jordan Addison, whoever, the fact that they specifically

790
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Speaker 2: picked Zay out of this entire group to not they

791
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Speaker 2: liked him so much that they sent him to go

792
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Speaker 2: meet with the quarterback already. That that tells me right

793
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 2: then and there that this this is this kid is

794
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Speaker 2: as good as I think he is. So at this point,

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Speaker 2: I understand that fourteen is too high for some people.

796
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Speaker 2: If you want to get into the conversation of trading

797
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 2: down to like maybe twenty or nineteen or something like that,

798
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: just to get just to make you all feel a

799
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Speaker 2: little bit better that you're not reaching on the player,

800
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 2: then fine, if that's what you have to do. But

801
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 2: at this point, I think you got to be awfully

802
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: careful because I think that there's a lot of teams

803
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Speaker 2: in that twenty five to thirty two range, Buffalo, Kansas City,

804
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Speaker 2: that they're going to be knocking on the door for

805
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Speaker 2: that guy. I think Buffalo would take day Flowers in

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Speaker 2: a heartbeat if he was there at well, I think

807
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 2: they're twenty six or something like that, in a heartbeat,

808
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 2: if he was there. And if do you want to

809
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: play him twice a year or do you want to

810
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 2: have them on your team? You got to ask yourself

811
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Speaker 2: that question, right all right? Sean and Vancouver, what's up?

812
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Speaker 7: Sean, Hey, guys, a few things. I really believe that

813
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 7: you've got to get Jersey Mike's as a sponsor for

814
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Speaker 7: Oh yeah.

815
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Speaker 2: I like that.

816
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Speaker 7: Particular podcast MPU because I even tried it when I

817
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 7: was down in Florida if we don't have to hear Vancouver,

818
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 7: and it was good. So this is their target market.

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Speaker 7: The other thing I wanted to ask Alex is about

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Speaker 7: the punter Michael Turk. Is he really good at kickoffs

821
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Speaker 7: as well? Because that's something else the Patriots need. Even

822
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Speaker 7: if they don't get a new kicker, they're definitely going

823
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 7: to need someone to do kickoffs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all the punters in this draft have kickoff experience,

825
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Speaker 1: but it's a good question.

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Speaker 3: It's a good point.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 7: Last thing I want to say is about my preference

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Speaker 7: in the draft.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 7: I don't see the Patriots as being a real contender

832
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Speaker 7: in twenty twenty three. Maybe at best will make the

833
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 7: playoffs on those in the first round, but they're not

834
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Speaker 7: serious for Super Bowl no matter what they do. So

835
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Speaker 7: what I really want to see overall is what we

836
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Speaker 7: have in mac Jones. So I want to make sure

837
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Speaker 7: that he has the weapon. So I know they need

838
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Speaker 7: a top big corner that's important in terms of their needs,

839
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Speaker 7: but they also need a starting tackle, and they need

840
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Speaker 7: a number one wide receiver. So when it comes down

841
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Speaker 7: to who they're going to get in the first couple

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Speaker 7: of rounds, like to get a starting tackle and say,

843
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Speaker 7: say Flowers over someone like quarter or another corner who

844
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Speaker 7: might be there. And that's it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great point, exactly what he just said.

846
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Speaker 1: Figure out Mac Jones the guy or not. Don't think

847
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: around with these other quarterbacks or project picks or whatever.

848
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: Do what you can to maximize the quarterback position, because

849
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: one of two things is going to happen. Either a

850
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Speaker 1: you find out that when you actually support Mac Jones

851
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: pretty good and then you're set, you're off and running.

852
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: Or two you give him all the support he's still

853
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Speaker 1: not good. All right, it's a bad pick.

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00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 3: You move on.

855
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Speaker 1: You get to dip back in in what is a

856
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: much much better quarterback class next year, and then guess

857
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: what do that?

858
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Speaker 2: Don't do that you don't know, you don't know, and

859
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 2: you're from now. A lot of things can change.

860
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Speaker 1: You dip back into what's a better quarterback class next year,

861
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: and then that guy comes in. He gets what he

862
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: has starting he has starting tackles around or he has

863
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Speaker 1: a number one wide receiver or if I'm really lucky

864
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Speaker 1: he has Jerry Judy to throw.

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Speaker 3: Him the football. I know I'm not.

866
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, now you're you're, you're that's fair. But I think

867
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: that the one thing I would push back though on

868
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 2: is I like a lot of these tackles. I would

869
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Speaker 2: be if they took Broderick Jones or Paris Johnson, I'm

870
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 2: not gonna knock them for it. Does it really how

871
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: much does it really make them better? Because if you

872
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 2: draft one of those corners and let's say my dream

873
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 2: scenario happens and Christian Gonzalez is there at fourteen and

874
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: you draft Christian Gonzales, if you draft one of those

875
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 2: corners and it has like a Sauce Gardener level impact

876
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 2: on your defense, yep, which Matt Gros says it will, right,

877
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 2: We're gonna get to that. Then at that point, the

878
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 2: Jets were three wins better last year than they were

879
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 2: the year before, with their quarterback situation being maybe the

880
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 2: worst in the league because they had a dominant, dominant defense.

881
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 2: So at that point, you can't corner to be I'm

882
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: really kind of on corner and receiver at this point.

883
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 1: Do you remember that big argument we had weeks ago

884
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: or I said, I thought they're gonna take corner, and

885
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: you said, you got to get somebody who helps the

886
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: passing game, no matter what.

887
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 3: Has a corner help you beat Buffalo?

888
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 2: Yeah?

889
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: I know, so you're you're off that now. I just

890
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: don't know our big seminal draft argument. I don't know

891
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: how tune back in in three weeks when Evan says

892
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: Will Levis is not an NFL quarterback.

893
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know how much you know.

894
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 2: Deuce always says that offensive lineman, you're like a tire's

895
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 2: on a car. It's not you don't it's not sexy.

896
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 2: It's not the engine, it's not the sexy thing. But

897
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 2: you need them to get where you want to go.

898
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 2: I just don't know how many more tires they can

899
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: really throw on this car. So here's me if you know,

900
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 2: they don't need a tire, they need like, you know,

901
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 2: a five hundred horse power hemy you know what I mean.

902
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,479
Speaker 1: Here's what i'd say, though, I get, so you really

903
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: like Calvin Anderson or I don't know, if you change

904
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:50,919
Speaker 1: your mind.

905
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,919
Speaker 2: No, I like him as like a player. I don't

906
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 2: think that he is like the savior.

907
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: But okay, but my point is is Trent Brown playing

908
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: seventeen games?

909
00:42:58,160 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 2: Yeah?

910
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: Right and right, and rather so it's it's you know,

911
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: if Trent Brown was still the guy he'd been, and

912
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: you know, you feel really good about maybe Connor McDermott, Like,

913
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: I get that hesitancy.

914
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 3: But here now I am making your argument back to you.

915
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: How are you gonna throw the ball if you can't

916
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 1: get it blocked on the edge?

917
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 3: Right?

918
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 1: So I so, And by the way, just to refresher,

919
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: it was then where I still am. Now, Yeah, I

920
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 1: would take a tackle if for no other reason than if,

921
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: all right, I take Christian Gonzales at fourteen above all else,

922
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 1: he's not going to be there, He's not okay, after him,

923
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: I would take a tackle because I think the drop

924
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 1: in talent from the first round to second round of

925
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: tackle is more than at corner. That being said, historical

926
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: trends and now what Matt Gross said earlier this week

927
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: to me points more towards corner. So I'm expecting them

928
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: to a corner, but I think they go tackle now.

929
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: Well maybe also Matt grow thinks Paris Johnson, Broger Jones

930
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: walt to be gone and they don't like Skronsky's arm length,

931
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: and they're just resigned to that fact. But right, so

932
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,439
Speaker 1: tell us corner. But I still think tackle makes more sense,

933
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: not that I'd be upset with the.

934
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 2: Corner if you The other argument I guess to it,

935
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 2: to wrap it up is how confident are you in still?

936
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 2: And like, let's say they give Dante Scarneki a list

937
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 2: of five Day three tackles and they say, scar pick

938
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 2: us the next Mike on Wenu out of the group.

939
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know, Day three, just this class isn't

940
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 1: very he's not that good.

941
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 3: Can we do that on day two? Because I feel

942
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 3: better about that on Day I just.

943
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 2: I wonder if you can get that that respectable tackle,

944
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: professional tackle play a little bit later, that maybe won't

945
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 2: be that. He's not gonna be Trent Williams right, but

946
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 2: he's gonna be fine and move the pendulum a little

947
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 2: bit more with the receiver.

948
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 1: I think that's what they're gonna do. I think that's

949
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: gonna be their mindset. Take a corner in the first

950
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: and maybe even double up like Blake Freeland won and

951
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: Morris he got two shots at it. But I think

952
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: either way, first round, you're gonna get a guy who's

953
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: a plug and play starter where there's a tackle a corner.

954
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 1: But the difference is the second round corners are also

955
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: kind of plug and play starters. His class is that good,

956
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: at least some of them are, whereas the second round tackles,

957
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 1: the day two tackles.

958
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 3: Know, those guys are gonna need those guys a couple

959
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 3: of weeks.

960
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 2: I don't even know if it's necessarily development. I think

961
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: that a lot of those guys might just be career

962
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:28,760
Speaker 2: swing tackles.

963
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh no, that's yeah, yeah, you.

964
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 2: Know, like I I don't know, if you know, my

965
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 2: guy from Old Dominion is Nick sal DEVERI is ever

966
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 2: gonna really be a starting NFL.

967
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: For the record, I'm considering Darn Jones the first round

968
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: picking this conversation.

969
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 2: All right, Patty, what's up? Patty up?

970
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:45,720
Speaker 5: Guys?

971
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 4: Hey, So I'll tell you what.

972
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 5: Last year, Trent mcduffy was one of my draft crushes,

973
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 5: and when we traded with k C and they took

974
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 5: him at twenty one, I was pretty picked up.

975
00:45:58,520 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 4: If we trade with.

976
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 5: Casey out of number fourteen and they take day Flowers,

977
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 5: or if they take Will Elevis at fourteen, Evan, I

978
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 5: just I don't know what's gonna happen. I'm gonna be

979
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 5: drunk draft that's number one, and I am gonna call

980
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 5: him the show Hammers like I do usually every year.

981
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 5: I might, I might get the permanent eighty six if

982
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 5: that happens, but I want it. I'm gonna say it now.

983
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 5: I'm gonna say it next Thursday. I'll stay it next Tuesday.

984
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 5: I'll stay plum blue in the face. I want to

985
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 5: say at number fourteen, And alex Ie get your argument

986
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 5: with the juxtaposition with Jerry Judy and how it's you

987
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 5: know you're gonna have him under team control for at

988
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 5: least another couple of years, especially if you pick up

989
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 5: the fifth year option. But I mean if if they're

990
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 5: comparable guys, which the only I mean, the big difference

991
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 5: is Judy's proved that he can play in the lague,

992
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 5: and regardless of what happened is first year, how many

993
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 5: drops he has, I mean, he's progressed, He's gotten better.

994
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 5: My big thing with Flowers is if you take him

995
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 5: at fourteen with that first pick, you have him at

996
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 5: least under team control for four years, five years. If

997
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 5: you feel like he's good enough and you want to

998
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 5: pay him even if you don't sign him to a

999
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 5: long term extension and at least for like year three

1000
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 5: and year four of Mac Jones, you get a better

1001
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 5: understanding of where he is as a quarterback. And that's

1002
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 5: all I got you guys next week.

1003
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1004
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I I just I would just say

1005
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: to that last point there with Jerry Judy, I would argue,

1006
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: you get a better understanding of Mac Jones than you

1007
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: do with say Flowers because exactly what he hit on.

1008
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jerry Judy has proven he can do it in

1009
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 3: this league.

1010
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 1: And that's why I'm so high on that move, because

1011
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,439
Speaker 1: they struggled with guys who haven't proven it yet.

1012
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 3: So look, I the gap.

1013
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 2: Flowers, Okay, make us all happy for once.

1014
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 3: The gap has closed to me, get ready for Jordan Adison.

1015
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 3: The gap has.

1016
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: Closed to me between Zay and and Jerry. Like, I'm

1017
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: not gonna be upset if they take Za. I would

1018
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: rather have Jerry Judy. But if it's a Flowers of fourteen,

1019
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 1: not my ideal draft, But like I'm not gonna say,

1020
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: oh they blew it, Oh I screwed up. Like it's

1021
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: a good pick, right, that's a good.

1022
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 2: You would say that if they took well of us, though.

1023
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 1: Yes, correct, I would, Okay. The only way I say

1024
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: they screw up, say Flowers is if Christians sauces on

1025
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: the board. But I just I don't know that. I

1026
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: like the guy's proven he can do it every time,

1027
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: and they had that.

1028
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 2: It was literally like an eight yard curl route that

1029
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 2: he ran with Patrick Mahomes that that the video got out.

1030
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 3: But oh you watch that on replay all night list,

1031
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 3: every of you.

1032
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 2: Know, I did. Every time I see that, say Flowers move,

1033
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 2: it just looks fast.

1034
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: Let some candles, dim the lights, put that on the

1035
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: big screen, projected your phone of the TV cracked open

1036
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: to the Champagne.

1037
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 2: I mirrored, you know, yeah, yeah, wi Fi. I Uh.

1038
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 2: Every time I see that guy move, it looks it

1039
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 2: looks fast, it looks explosive, it looks quick, it looks

1040
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:50,919
Speaker 2: like it's got a purpose, you know what I mean.

1041
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 2: And I just who else do they have like that? Nobody? Nobody.

1042
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I'm saying. Whoever your quarterback is, he

1043
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: needs that guy and you're not. Okay, maybe you're getting

1044
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: that guy at forty six. There is one guy I

1045
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 1: think just tough in the entire league, the experts. Everybody's

1046
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,399
Speaker 1: sleeping on, but you're not getting that guy.

1047
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 3: After forty six. There's one guy maybe who Marvin Mims.

1048
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1049
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,879
Speaker 3: The more, the more, the more I watch Marvin Mims,

1050
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 3: and it's interesting.

1051
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 2: I was on definitely got the speed. I don't know

1052
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 2: if he's got the change of direction like the gears.

1053
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about the he does in a different way.

1054
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: But I'm just talking about that explosive element, that unlocking ability.

1055
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 2: When I love so much about Zaya is how he

1056
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 2: paces the route right. It's not he understands that you

1057
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 2: don't need to be running at one hundred percent capacity

1058
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 2: the full route to get open. It's actually better to

1059
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 2: run at like seventy and then turn it on to

1060
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 2: one hundred when you need to. Yeah, And I think

1061
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 2: that type of pacing is really a rare kind of

1062
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 2: like the innate field type of thing.

1063
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: Whereas for me with Mims, I think it's that similar

1064
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: idea that like he's always a threat.

1065
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 3: But to me it's he's never covered.

1066
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's you gonna have two guys blanketing him, He's

1067
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: gonna find a way to catch the football.

1068
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 5: I love.

1069
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got good body control, all right, let's get

1070
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 2: some of these macro tea leaves and uh look into

1071
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,399
Speaker 2: these way too much. All right, so I organize these

1072
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 2: actually use your article Alex up on ninety.

1073
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 3: Five sports dot com.

1074
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 2: There you go, uh to to get all these quotes.

1075
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 2: So I'll start with corners because we were just.

1076
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:18,760
Speaker 3: Talking about you got to end with corners.

1077
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 2: No, but we just talked about it.

1078
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 3: But to get to the point, So start with corners.

1079
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 2: I'll start. You're right, I'll start. I saw with wide receivers. Okay,

1080
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 2: here was the money quote to me?

1081
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: Oh, actually I started with corners in this article. I thought, yeah, last,

1082
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: all right, start with corners.

1083
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 3: Kill me. I'll take a lap here.

1084
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. With wide receivers, if you're looking for a guy,

1085
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 2: it's not just a first round guy. There's a lot

1086
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 2: of good wide receivers in this draft, and there's a

1087
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 2: lot of good wide receivers in the league that weren't

1088
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 2: just first round picks. If you he's not wrong, If

1089
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:59,399
Speaker 2: you take that completely at phase value, that would tell

1090
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 2: you that they don't feel like they need that receiver

1091
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 2: in the first round is in play? Right? Like that

1092
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 2: tells you that they're not gonna take a receiver in

1093
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 2: the first round.

1094
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: It tells you that they think the real value in

1095
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: this class is later on. But what is very interesting,

1096
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: and I've got to find the quote here is.

1097
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 3: Man, I can't find it. Where did it go? The

1098
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 3: quote he had last year?

1099
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 2: Yeah? Right, he told me this at the combine too,

1100
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 2: that it's a premium position and you gotta be aggressive

1101
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 2: at the period.

1102
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 3: So I found it.

1103
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: So this was grow a year ago at the twenty

1104
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: twenty one pre draft press conference when I asked about receivers.

1105
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: You can't just sit around and wait or actually, let

1106
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: me start a little earlier. Whenever teams can add an

1107
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,399
Speaker 1: instant impact player, specifically a receiver. Whenever teams can add

1108
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: an instant impact player, which is what these wide receivers

1109
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: are in the game today, they're going to do it.

1110
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: You can't just sit around and wait and hope to

1111
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: get one of these guys in the draft. You've got

1112
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: to be proactive about going to get one of them.

1113
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 3: And then what did he say this year, Evan?

1114
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 2: He said, if you're looking for a guy, it's an

1115
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 2: not just the first round guy. Do you know what

1116
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 2: that tells me? I'm glad you brought that quote up.

1117
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 2: Because I was going here anywhere.

1118
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 3: Just a position, just juxtaposition.

1119
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,439
Speaker 2: There, But you brought it home with that the quote

1120
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 2: from last year. Bill got to him. Bill got to him,

1121
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:24,479
Speaker 2: And this even further confirms to me that Bill still

1122
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 2: don't see it that way. So I, okay, still doesn't

1123
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 2: see the receiver position as a position that you have

1124
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 2: to invest twenty plus million dollars in, or a first

1125
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 2: round picking, or as one of these positions that is

1126
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 2: an overpaid premium style position. Because Macro last year, Macro

1127
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,399
Speaker 2: to me at the combine, and then Macro this time

1128
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 2: there's an outlier, right, and it's this time, I.

1129
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 1: Think, so to be fair to Macro here, damn it, Bill,

1130
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: it's a different class. You're talking about two very different classes.

1131
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: In last year I think was a go up and

1132
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: get them class. This year, I think, yes, there, here's

1133
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: the thing. And there was the report from Jim nagg

1134
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: I don't remember it was the beginning of this week

1135
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: or last week, that there's only one receiver in this

1136
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: draft with the first round grade. So if you're gonna

1137
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: draft the guy who's not a first round talent anyway,

1138
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: you might as well do it in the second or

1139
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: third round.

1140
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,919
Speaker 3: And not in the first round. Sure, there is truth

1141
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 3: to that.

1142
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: To me, the juxtaposition of those quotes, as much as

1143
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: it pains me to say, is stop talking about Jerry Judy.

1144
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 3: It's not happening. But there is a stark difference there.

1145
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 1: But as in regards to this draft, it tells me

1146
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: they if there wasn't so much smoke about, say Flowers,

1147
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: I would say they are out, period done. We don't

1148
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: need to talk about first round receivers. There's been enough

1149
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: smoke was a specifically in this press conference. He was

1150
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: very complimentary.

1151
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 2: I was shocked.

1152
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 1: Yeah that I'm willing to kind of leave Za on

1153
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: the board.

1154
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 3: But they don't like the top of this receiver class, don't.

1155
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 2: So he was asked directly about I should mention that context.

1156
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 2: He did not bring up Zay Flowers on prompt.

1157
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 3: I have it right here. The question was Isay a

1158
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 3: boundary receiver slot receiver?

1159
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 2: Right? He was asked directly about Zay Flowers. Obviously there's

1160
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 2: a local tie with Jay Flowers being a BC kid,

1161
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 2: So a lot of reporters are probably writing about the

1162
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 2: b C kid like that and not just the Patriots

1163
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 2: and their draft interest. So he was asked directly about

1164
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 2: Zay Flowers. What I thought was interesting about his Flowers

1165
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 2: other than him gushing about Jay Flowers for a few minutes.

1166
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,240
Speaker 1: What I thought was interesting about his answer was about

1167
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 1: talking about slots and big receivers and smaller receivers and

1168
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: how in this draft in particular, and I think this

1169
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 1: is the best way to sum up this draft is

1170
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: that there is a bunch of role playing receivers in

1171
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: this draft. You're either a JSN Z Flowers, Josh Downs,

1172
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 1: Jordan Addison slot or Z receiver, or you're a Quinton Johnston,

1173
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: Cedric Tillman, Jonathan Mingo outside X receiver.

1174
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,720
Speaker 2: There is not a ton of receivers in this draft

1175
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 2: that are either so darn good at football that they

1176
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 2: can just you can line them up anywhere and they're

1177
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,280
Speaker 2: gonna win, or versatile like that, right Like, there's really

1178
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 2: not that many guys like that. He mentioned that he

1179
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 2: thinks they can play a little bit outside. I also

1180
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 2: think that they can play a little bit outside. But

1181
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 2: he's gonna be like sixty five thirty five out inside outside,

1182
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,399
Speaker 2: right Like, it's not gonna be fifty to fifty or

1183
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 2: leaning towards outside or anything like that. So that I

1184
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 2: think is problematic for them in this draft if you

1185
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 2: really want that first round receiver, because I think they

1186
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 2: look at this class and they say, all these guys

1187
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 2: are are very, very pigeonholed to a role and that

1188
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 2: is not gonna be worth the first round pick, certainly

1189
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:46,479
Speaker 2: not the fourteenth overall pick.

1190
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:46,959
Speaker 3: Right.

1191
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 2: So that's card of where we're at with receivers. This

1192
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 2: is what he had to say about tackles or the

1193
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 2: money quote.

1194
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: I thought with the tackles, when asked like, what do

1195
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 1: you think of your tackle?

1196
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think of your tackle group? We

1197
00:55:58,160 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 2: were able to add a couple.

1198
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: Players rather Calvin Anderson, able to retain a couple players

1199
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:06,439
Speaker 1: Donor McDermot and have one holdover Trent Brown. So we've

1200
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 1: got some good vet just snubbed Andrew Stuber, but that's fine.

1201
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fine. So we've got some good veteran guys there,

1202
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 2: got some good guys there. Looking forward to working with them.

1203
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 2: Was the end of the quote.

1204
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 3: They like their group.

1205
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: They like their group, and that doesn't mean they won't

1206
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: add a tackle. But we've had We've said this for

1207
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks now, Evan, they I don't think

1208
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: they think tackles as big of a need as people

1209
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 1: on the outside.

1210
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 2: Do me neither do I I don't think so either.

1211
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 2: I think that that's the position, And I said this

1212
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago, so I'm not going back

1213
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 2: on something that I said. I think that's the position

1214
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 2: that they had, that they think the most that the

1215
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 2: coaching is going to help. I think, maybe even more

1216
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 2: southern quarterback that having Adrian Clem and having Bill O'Brien

1217
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 2: and Bill O'Brien running an actual NFL protection scheme and

1218
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 2: actual NFL line that probably are mostly like let's say

1219
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 2: ninety five percent Dante Scarnekia's line calls. That they feel

1220
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 2: like that is going to study that ship because they're

1221
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 2: going to be a better five men unit than they

1222
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 2: were last year. Not necessarily about the individual pieces of

1223
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 2: that unit, but as a group, they are going to

1224
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 2: see it clearer, and that is going to push them

1225
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 2: over the edge from being not a great group last year,

1226
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 2: not at bottom group last year either. I think a

1227
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 2: lot of people have that wrong. They're fine, they were fine,

1228
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 2: but they weren't what up to the standard that were

1229
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 2: used to around here, so it looked terrible. They are

1230
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 2: going to be a better group because of the coaching,

1231
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 2: and I think that they believe that too.

1232
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 3: Yep, and s all right.

1233
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: So they don't love the white maybe Zay flowers, but

1234
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:51,479
Speaker 1: as a whole, they don't love the first round wide

1235
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: receivers and establish that.

1236
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 2: Yep.

1237
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 3: They like their tackle groups.

1238
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: So whether they like those tackles or not, they might

1239
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: not see it as a major need, right, even quarterbacks.

1240
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 3: He's asked about quarterbacks, say that we always look at quarterbacks.

1241
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 3: Don't read it.

1242
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 1: We looked at quarterbacks and bradis all right, that one's out.

1243
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if he said anything about.

1244
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 2: Edge, but I don't think he was asked.

1245
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 3: All right, whatever, So where does that leave us among

1246
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:13,479
Speaker 3: the needs?

1247
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 2: So here's the corners.

1248
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, When asked if he thinks there is a Sauce

1249
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: Gardener in this year's draft, there will.

1250
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 2: Be some guys plural plural, some guys who are we

1251
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 2: who are who we are looking at, going probably around

1252
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 2: where Sauce went.

1253
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: That's fourth overall, and hopefully they can come in and

1254
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: have that kind of impact for their teams.

1255
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 3: I want to go back to something he said.

1256
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 2: It earlier, to multiple corners.

1257
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: I don't think this is what he said at the

1258
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: beginning of that quote. I don't think any of those

1259
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: guys are probably trying to go into the draft to

1260
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: be sauce. But you've got some longer guys, some tough,

1261
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 1: competitive guys. I'm not gonna speak on what the Jets

1262
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: think of Sauce, but obviously, going against them twice a year,

1263
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: he was drafted really high to be a good player,

1264
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 1: and he was a really good player for them. That

1265
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 1: is wreck Hey, that's recognizing, Hey, they added a premium

1266
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: corner and things changed. And he thinks, to your point,

1267
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: some guys are gonna go in sausage range. Sausage range,

1268
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: sausage range. Sauce is range the range where a mod

1269
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: a mod gardner was drafted, the ranges of sauce.

1270
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 3: So he went forth, let's call that even if we

1271
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 3: call that.

1272
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: Top ten, even if you call that top ten, you're

1273
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: telling me there's multiple corners they have top ten grades on. Yep,

1274
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: I don't Two might go in the top ten, two

1275
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: might go before they pick three.

1276
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1277
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1278
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: So if they like this corner class even more than

1279
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: we do, and we.

1280
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 2: Like it a lot, yeah, everybody likes it.

1281
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 3: If they like it even more than we do.

1282
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: Corner's coming out the freaking woodwork. We got NFL network

1283
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 1: scrolling behind us. I just saw Joey Porter twenty second,

1284
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: Deontay Banks twenty fourth. Yeah, what happens when they have

1285
00:59:57,840 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 1: a top ten grade on one of those guys and

1286
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: that guy sitting on the board of fourteen Call it in, Call.

1287
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 2: It in, Deontay Banks. That's why I've I've come full

1288
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 2: cycle on this.

1289
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna like Banks better than Porter. Me too,

1290
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: And those are the two guys. I Gonzalz is not

1291
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 1: going to be on the board. Witherspoon I'm really starting

1292
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: to think won't be.

1293
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 2: I also don't know if I think Witherspoon isn't isn't

1294
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 2: their guy. I think he is the way he plays.

1295
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 2: But I do think that they are cognizant of the

1296
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 2: fact that they're small at that in that room, I

1297
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 2: think I do think they want to get some side.

1298
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think an inch and height difference between

1299
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 1: Banks and but it's not just height, it's also the frame,

1300
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: all right, right, I think Banks is closer to two.

1301
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 2: Hundred like and Witherspoon's like one to eighty. I just

1302
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 2: think that. I think Deontay Banks also is the type

1303
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 2: of guy that, with his skills set, with his athletic

1304
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 2: ability and with his man coverage talent, is one of

1305
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 2: those guys that you get into the room on Tuesday

1306
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 2: and you say, Banks has digs. Yeah, this is what

1307
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 2: we're doing everywhere else. I don't think that Witherspoon is

1308
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 2: that guy. Witherspoon, to me, is a playmaking corner in

1309
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 2: like the J. C. Jackson type of way, right, but

1310
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 2: he's not a shutdown guy. He's gonna give up some plays.

1311
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 2: He gives up some plays on Illinois. I think this

1312
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 2: is one of the biggest misconceptions of any prospect in

1313
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 2: this class, is that Devin Witherspoon is this lockstep Derell

1314
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 2: Reeves shut down type of corner. He is not. He

1315
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 2: gives up his fair share of plays, but he makes

1316
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 2: a ton of his plays too, So he's gonna be

1317
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 2: one of those types of guys in the league. I

1318
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,439
Speaker 2: think they have enough of those types. I think Jack

1319
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 2: Jones is like that. I think Marcus Jones to an

1320
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 2: extent is gonna be like that just because of his

1321
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 2: size and his explosiveness.

1322
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 3: Jalen Mills, if he plays corners kind of like that.

1323
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 2: Deontay Banks is the guy other than Christian Gonzales. I

1324
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 2: think Joey Porter Junior, who I like. But I think

1325
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 2: Joey Porter Junior is another one of those guys that's

1326
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 2: gonna have to be in a matchup bas role, Like

1327
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 2: who's Joey Porter Junior covering on the Miami Dolphins.

1328
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: So I think that the differences with them, they can

1329
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 1: kind of afford to do that the way they've built

1330
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: their room.

1331
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 2: A little bit. But but again I come back to

1332
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 2: when they get when they go in and they and

1333
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 2: they are putting up the game plan on Tuesday and

1334
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 2: Wednesday for the Dolphins. Who in in Miami's arsenal is

1335
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 2: Joey Porter Junior going up against because he does not

1336
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 2: have the flip and run to hang with Tyreek Kill

1337
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 2: and Jalen Waddle. He doesn't.

1338
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair, right, So I think the guys that

1339
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: Banks just checks all of the boxes.

1340
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 2: He's got the athletic traits. I think he was actually,

1341
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 2: by relative athletics score, the most athletic cornerback in this class.

1342
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 2: He's got the athletic traits, He's got the physical press

1343
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 2: man ability and he's got a shadowing corner skill set.

1344
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 2: By shadow I mean when Tyreek Hill runs over there,

1345
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 2: Deontay Banks runs over there. When Tyrek Hill goes over here,

1346
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 2: Deontay Banks goes with them over there. Everywhere they go,

1347
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 2: he can go. I'm beginning to really think that I

1348
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 2: still have It's like kind of like Zay Flowers with

1349
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 2: the receivers, right, it's but I still have Christian Gonzales

1350
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 2: at the top. But I think that he's gonna go

1351
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 2: top five or six.

1352
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: Like he should be the second defensive player off the

1353
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 1: board after Will Anderson. Yeah, and by the way, Schefter

1354
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 1: just made an official Patricia to the Eagles.

1355
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 2: There you go. So I think that that's that's where

1356
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 2: we're headed here, because I don't think that the other

1357
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 2: two guys, they're gonna view as quite pure shut down

1358
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 2: type of guys. And I think that their ideal skill

1359
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 2: set would be Gilmore would be a revis, would be

1360
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 2: a law would be somebody that just pitter patter right

1361
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:32,959
Speaker 2: with him up and down the field. And I don't

1362
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 2: know if Devin Witherspoon's that guy, but based off the

1363
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 2: Tea Leaves, Alex, we're reading into tea Leaves right now.

1364
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 2: It certainly sounds like it's gonna be a really wonky

1365
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 2: scenario where the number one player on their board isn't

1366
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 2: a corner, right Like, it's.

1367
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 3: Gonna have to be misunderstood.

1368
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 2: It's gonna have to be something crazy, be.

1369
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 1: Very bizarre for the top player on their board to

1370
01:03:56,560 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 1: be there at fourteen not being a corner. Yeah, yeah,

1371
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,919
Speaker 1: I agree, which I tried to tell you a month ago.

1372
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:07,479
Speaker 2: He loves doing that to me, doesn't he. He loves

1373
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 2: telling me how right he is and will see you

1374
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 2: about will levis all right?

1375
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 3: What happened?

1376
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 2: I'm just saying what changed. I think that the biggest

1377
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 2: thing that changed to me was I would also say

1378
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 2: this about edge to an extent, which he wasn't asked about,

1379
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 2: which we probably should ask him about. I think corner

1380
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 2: and edge of the two best position groups in this class,

1381
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 2: and then tight end also. But tight end is its

1382
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 2: own thing where you have to get into positional value

1383
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 2: and things like that. And I'm not sure if tight

1384
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 2: end at fourteen really makes the most sense for them,

1385
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 2: But how do the positions that make the most sense

1386
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 2: for them? I think that this class is this is

1387
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 2: an unbelievable cornerback class. Yeah, I don't know if we're

1388
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 2: going to see another cornerback class like that.

1389
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 3: I don't think.

1390
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 1: I think they're going to break the record for the

1391
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 1: most corners to go in the first round yeah, modern era, Yeah,

1392
01:04:57,160 --> 01:05:01,439
Speaker 1: which would be six to tie seven to break in right. Further,

1393
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 1: to be nice, we both agree when we had that

1394
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 1: big argument, we both agreed. We both said we wanted

1395
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 1: a tackle, but we thought they would take a corner.

1396
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 1: You agree, we were essentially arguing how we should do

1397
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 1: the show, not who the Patriots will take.

1398
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 3: Be fair.

1399
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 2: I remember the art. That was a classic yeah argument.

1400
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 2: All right, one last call and we're all wrap it.

1401
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 2: What's up Jerry in North Carolina?

1402
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 4: What's going on? Felling the day?

1403
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 2: They good?

1404
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 4: So real quick. I don't think we need to draft

1405
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 4: a wide receiver in the first or second round. I

1406
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 4: think we need to trade that first round pick for

1407
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 4: like a later first and like a third or fourth,

1408
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 4: and then we need to go get hight aup wide receiver.

1409
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 4: I'm looking at Jonathan Mingos from Old Miss six to

1410
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 4: two running a fourth of four four six, and then

1411
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 4: Matt Landers from Arkansas six to four running a four

1412
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 4: three seven at two hundred pounds. We get them both

1413
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 4: and we dubbed them the Twin Towers.

1414
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 2: All right, So a lot of calls, Thanks for the call, Jerry.

1415
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 2: A lot of calls today on Jonathan Mingo. I think

1416
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 2: has become kind of the the sexy mid Round.

1417
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 3: I don't know what I'm missing, barybody loves this guy.

1418
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 2: I don't think you're missing anything. I think that his

1419
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 2: speed does translate, like I think he's fast. He's definitely fast, yeah,

1420
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 2: and he's big, and they're just not a lot of

1421
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 2: guys like that. And I think that people do look

1422
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 2: at the success of AJ Brown coming from Old miss

1423
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 2: and with if you put those two side by side,

1424
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 2: like in terms of athletic profiles, they're the same person.

1425
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 2: They all clearly AJ Brown has much better.

1426
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 1: To Okay, but when I pointed out that the athletic

1427
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 1: profile of Bryce Ford Wheaton matches up most with Calvin Johnson,

1428
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 1: you laughed at me.

1429
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 2: I'm still gonna laugh at you. Comparing Jonathan Mingo to

1430
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 2: AJ Brown is not exactly comparing Bryce Ford Wheaton to

1431
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 2: Calvin Johnson.

1432
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 1: Come on, well, if we're talking about who they match

1433
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 1: up with in terms of their physical profile, that's.

1434
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 2: Maybe the the mainest raftable Brown, maybe the greatest wide

1435
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 2: receiver of all time.

1436
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 1: No, but my point. But my point is it doesn't

1437
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:07,959
Speaker 1: mean anything. The physical match, it doesn't mean any It doesn't.

1438
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 1: It doesn't people know, and that's what people see. They

1439
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 1: get all hot and bothered because, oh, last time there

1440
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 1: was like a super athletic, underrated wide receiver from all

1441
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 1: miss it was it was aj Brown, and before that

1442
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 1: was DK Metcalfeel like they did their own people.

1443
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 2: I do think that Mingo's got some upside though. I

1444
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 2: do like Mingo's film. I think one of the main

1445
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 2: things about him is that you can see on tape

1446
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 2: that his speed, like DB's care about his speed right

1447
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 2: like they It gets on him quickly and they have

1448
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 2: to react to it, and it's it's it's a legitimate

1449
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 2: game speed that he has. And then he's got some

1450
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 2: ability to play out of the slot too. He's probably,

1451
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 2: out of all of the guys that we've talked about

1452
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 2: on the show at the receiver position we've gone up

1453
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:51,440
Speaker 2: and down the list, he probably has the most versatility

1454
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 2: out of anybody in the group because he can play

1455
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 2: X yeah, he can play big slot, and then he

1456
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 2: also played some h back or like move tight end

1457
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 2: type of wing a line mins as well, so they

1458
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 2: you can really move. I could see them convincing themselves

1459
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 2: on him because of that, because they can really move

1460
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:09,440
Speaker 2: that kid around and have them play multiple spots all

1461
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 2: right before we r at Alex because I know you

1462
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 2: gotta go go to the do your your big board

1463
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 2: with with with you make fun of me for that.

1464
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 3: I got them to do a segment on arm length

1465
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 3: the other day.

1466
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 2: No, I don't make fun of you for that, I get.

1467
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 2: I get irritated by them.

1468
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 3: They make some good points, that's all there did.

1469
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 2: They make some good points about the activity that we

1470
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 2: do every year with the draft of mock drafts and

1471
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 2: predictions and stuff like that. I told you the problem

1472
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:41,559
Speaker 2: that I have with it quickly. The problem that I

1473
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 2: have with it is is that they know. I know

1474
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 2: they know that a lot of their listeners get all

1475
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 2: of their takes from them, right, Like you can just

1476
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 2: hear it in people's voices that they're just regurgitating what

1477
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:59,680
Speaker 2: Felger told them to say at three PM. Right. So

1478
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 2: when they get on the big boarde stick and they

1479
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 2: know literally nothing about a player, and they start giving

1480
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 2: reading Lindy's or whatever it is, and they give their

1481
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 2: they start mocking it or giving opinions about it. If

1482
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 2: the Patriots going, I mean, the best way to sum

1483
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 2: this up, the Patriots go ahead and and and draft

1484
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:24,679
Speaker 2: Darnell right in the first round. Fine pick. Every single

1485
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:27,639
Speaker 2: person that listens to felgeramaz is gonna they drafted another

1486
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 2: guard in the first round.

1487
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:31,720
Speaker 1: So I think that that that's why, that's why I do.

1488
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 1: I do think they make a good point in like,

1489
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 1: we need to tone down the draft the the the

1490
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 1: way we write draft scouting reports, because they do start

1491
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 1: to sound very rated art a certain point, and they

1492
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,679
Speaker 1: do make no sense. There was something about a guy's

1493
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 1: hands get flustered when they're below is waist.

1494
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 3: What does that even mean?

1495
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's weird.

1496
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 1: So I respect a hell out of that because some

1497
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 1: people do get out of control with I'm gonna sound

1498
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 1: so smart, and I'm just he's good against he's batty,

1499
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 1: he's good against her, and he's goodgainst the past.

1500
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 3: He's strong, he's not.

1501
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 2: Like, just that's fair.

1502
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 3: We're just trying to teach people.

1503
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:11,599
Speaker 1: I don't if your scatter report reads to the extent

1504
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 1: that the average person can't understand it.

1505
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:14,600
Speaker 3: You're not actually doing what you're there to do.

1506
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 2: Very valid point, and it's a very valid point that

1507
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 2: them throwing darts against the board is as predictive as

1508
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 2: us studying this for four months and doing mock drafts.

1509
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 2: I totally fair. The problem that I have again is

1510
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 2: with the fact that they they can't correct themselves because

1511
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 2: they know nothing about the players, and then all these

1512
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,640
Speaker 2: people that listen to them then have all these preconceived

1513
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 2: notions about people in the draft that are based off

1514
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 2: of nothing like calling Darnell right a guard right Like,

1515
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 2: that's the issue. But last, but not least, you're a

1516
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 2: recentcy bias. You got a recncy Bias pick of the

1517
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 2: Week out.

1518
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:50,599
Speaker 3: You go first.

1519
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 1: I'm gonna figure them out, all right? So this week

1520
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:56,479
Speaker 1: I did do some interior offensive lineman. I didn't want to.

1521
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 1: It was really it was hard. I had to really

1522
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 1: sit down and make myself do it. But listen to

1523
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 1: tier offensive lineman or people too, Chandler Zavalah.

1524
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:08,799
Speaker 3: I keep seeing people mocking this guy.

1525
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 2: From NC State No. One of my favorite guard prospects

1526
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 2: in this draft, probably my favorite guard prospect, power guard

1527
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:20,640
Speaker 2: thick frame really moves people. But he also had a

1528
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 2: really good athletic profile nine point four to nine on

1529
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:27,599
Speaker 2: the Relative Athletics Score database. Pretty good athlete. Give him

1530
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 2: starter potential, very good power, very good play strength. Just

1531
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 2: their type of guard, right, an athletic people moving into

1532
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:39,760
Speaker 2: your alignement? Can he play center? I don't know, but

1533
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:43,600
Speaker 2: I think that there is a possibility that not in

1534
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 2: the top one hundred lord to help us all. But

1535
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 2: I think there is a possibility that at some point

1536
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 2: in this draft they take an interior guy. I think

1537
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 2: they thinking Michael On when you win a contract here?

1538
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:55,720
Speaker 2: Who he knows how much longer David Andrews is going

1539
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:57,800
Speaker 2: to want to do this. At some point in time,

1540
01:11:57,960 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 2: they have to plan. Now, they do have Jason Hines,

1541
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 2: They do have a Russy that received that they like

1542
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 2: at center, so maybe they feel okay there. But I think,

1543
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 2: you know, sixth round, one of those four sixth round

1544
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 2: picks that they have, if they use one of those

1545
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:14,639
Speaker 2: on an interior linement, it would it would be fine.

1546
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 3: I guess I gotta go with the felibrinm Mass big

1547
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 3: boy player. Right.

1548
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 1: Zach Pickens, South Carolina, Okay, athletic defensive tackle. You know,

1549
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,720
Speaker 1: six four ninety eight. But he can and I say

1550
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:28,640
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. He can play some three tech, he can

1551
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 1: play some five tech.

1552
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 3: They'll be able to move around.

1553
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 1: What I like is when you watch him like his

1554
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 1: if you look at his stats, you don't see much.

1555
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 1: But and they love this right on the defensive line.

1556
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:41,720
Speaker 1: He's so good at impacting plays even when he's not

1557
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 1: the one.

1558
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:43,640
Speaker 3: At the football. Yeah.

1559
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 1: And I just think with the positional versatility, with the

1560
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 1: way he kind of reads things in front of him

1561
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 1: and understands, you know, just the instincts getting in the

1562
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 1: right spot and all that, he's supposed to be like

1563
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 1: a late day.

1564
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:58,360
Speaker 3: To early day three pick. If maybe the edge board and.

1565
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's an edge, but like if if

1566
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 1: they want to add to their defensive front somehow right

1567
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:05,519
Speaker 1: and the board maybe doesn't fall their way, he could

1568
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 1: be a guy they they maybe move up a little

1569
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:09,519
Speaker 1: bit or take maybe a little higher and expected.

1570
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 3: But I like pickings for them.

1571
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:14,879
Speaker 2: Not a good not a good interior defensive lineman class.

1572
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 2: It is later, and I think that the depth in

1573
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 2: that class is pretty weak.

1574
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:21,280
Speaker 3: Oh, I think the depth is great. I don't love

1575
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 3: it at the top.

1576
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:23,640
Speaker 2: Okay, I guess whatever you have.

1577
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 3: Ika who I like, Mazie Smith, who I like?

1578
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like Mazie Smith.

1579
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 3: And then I mean I go down. So those guys

1580
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 3: are protected.

1581
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 2: I do like Colijah Knsey, but they're not gonna touch class.

1582
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, but those all three of those guys are

1583
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:37,679
Speaker 1: what top seventy five picks.

1584
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, fifty.

1585
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 2: I think the kid from North Northwestern is a DT

1586
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 2: at a bar all.

1587
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 3: Right, So those are top fifty picks. But then there's

1588
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:47,679
Speaker 3: a gap.

1589
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I I mean I like Ojamo, I

1590
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 1: like Gid Clark, I like Dante Stills, I like Jacob Slade,

1591
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:56,760
Speaker 1: I like PJ Muster, I like DJ Dale. I mean,

1592
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 1: these are all guys wh are gonna go on to

1593
01:13:57,800 --> 01:13:59,719
Speaker 1: two hundreds, So I guess.

1594
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:01,920
Speaker 2: Must have for is interesting? Is that true nose tackle?

1595
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 1: Like fifty to one fifty, it's pretty barren, or even

1596
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 1: I'll even say like fifty to two hundred, it's pretty barren.

1597
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:08,719
Speaker 3: It kicks up again late in the draft.

1598
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I Keane Benton. Uh, he's he's a decent

1599
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:15,720
Speaker 2: player from Wisconsin that's got that get off and that

1600
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 2: sort of pass rush upside. And then was it a

1601
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:23,479
Speaker 2: driven from Florida. Uh, Dexter, Yeah, Dexter. I think that

1602
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:25,960
Speaker 2: he's a player that has a chance to go. And

1603
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 2: then like the first seventy five to one hundred picks

1604
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 2: of the draft, after that, we're really starting to talk

1605
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:35,240
Speaker 2: about guys that are like very hyper specific to a role,

1606
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:37,800
Speaker 2: like a guy like PJ. Mustafer, who I think could

1607
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:39,840
Speaker 2: be like a first down nose tackle, you know, like

1608
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 2: a Carl Davis type. But yeah, it's it's not a

1609
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 2: fantastic it's not a great group. But I guess if

1610
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 2: you throw Jalen Carter in at the top, maybe it

1611
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:51,760
Speaker 2: gets it a little bit better. But it's not one

1612
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 2: of the better groups in the class. I think that's

1613
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 2: not quite as bad as safety, but it's at the

1614
01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:00,120
Speaker 2: bottom of the of the draft, I would say, in

1615
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:02,720
Speaker 2: terms of depth and talent. All right, Alex and I

1616
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 2: will be back next week. We're gonna do another one

1617
01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:07,720
Speaker 2: of these, probably not on Thursday, just because that's the

1618
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 2: big day, Probably Tuesday or Wednesday, but we'll keep you

1619
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 2: updated on the date. But we'll have one more Patriots

1620
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 2: catch twenty two to preview the twenty twenty three NFL Draft.

1621
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 2: Oh yes, and we're gonna have we'll be on John

1622
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:25,160
Speaker 2: Rook with the Playbook on Wednesday. Correct, on Wednesday. Next

1623
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 2: week we'll do some John Rook in the playbook and

1624
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:30,840
Speaker 2: the draft and the preview and all that stuff, and

1625
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,840
Speaker 2: we're gonna get there next week. Can't believe it. We'll

1626
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 2: see you then. Thanks for watching, Thanks for listening, See

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