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Speaker 1: Now your hosts Isaiah Standback, Nick Harris, John Mashoda and
Speaker 1: Kyle Yeomans.
Speaker 2: It's a Tuesday edition of Talking Cowboys presented by Black
Speaker 2: Rifle Coffee Company. As we are live from Black Rifle
Speaker 2: Coffee in North Frisco, Talking Cowboys on the road today,
Speaker 2: as we break down, of course, what happened on Sunday
Speaker 2: with the Dallas Cowboys and what's coming up in week ten.
Speaker 2: Alongside John Matchoda, We've got Isaiah standback, Nick Arrists, Chris
Speaker 2: Beam in the back of Kyle Yeomans. Everybody is here.
Speaker 2: We are on site. It's a little bit different this
Speaker 2: time around, John, but you've got the fireplace behind you,
Speaker 2: you got the smell of medium roast in the air.
Speaker 2: It's the perfect way.
Speaker 4: To start the morning, right a coffee drinker.
Speaker 2: I want yeah, I want you to lie. I uh,
Speaker 2: good to be here, Good to be here, Isaiah.
Speaker 5: I'm going to be here. You know I've been showed
Speaker 5: shooting up Black Rifle Coffee Company for a minute now,
Speaker 5: So uh, you got all the RTG, all the RTDs
Speaker 5: in person. We got the brew right there, we got
Speaker 5: the brew crew, got a big fella back there, you know,
Speaker 5: making it happen. So I'm happy.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 5: I am a little confused as to why John and
Speaker 5: I are sitting there to each other with a nice
Speaker 5: little little fire behind us. We're gonna ask Beamer about
Speaker 5: that one, but I'll pass it.
Speaker 6: No, it's gonna be here.
Speaker 7: This is a quicker drive for me this morning, so
Speaker 7: I got like ten extra minutes and it was great.
Speaker 2: A little bit closer than what the Star brings for you,
Speaker 2: and a little extra fuel to go with it as well.
Speaker 2: I've got my coffee on the way, really excited about that.
Speaker 2: We've got the drip. Do you even know what the
Speaker 2: like drip coffee is? Because you're not a coffee Okay,
Speaker 2: you know of it, so that's that's good. You've got
Speaker 2: the America's Team Blend in front of us, which is available.
Speaker 2: I know they're on the shelves right over there too.
Speaker 5: But then I'm flying walking out with a T shirt.
Speaker 2: You're walking out with a T shirt. They got a
Speaker 2: merchandise here too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I'm walking out with a T shirt today.
Speaker 5: I'm a rep.
Speaker 2: Okay, absolutely rep some Black Rifle coffee. They do a
Speaker 2: great job in the community. Plus they've got their Frisco
Speaker 2: grand opening. This is the soft opening of the North
Speaker 2: Frisco store, but they have a grand opening on Saturday.
Speaker 2: Doors open at five am. It's a coffee shop, so
Speaker 2: starts right. Got to get here early. The first fifty
Speaker 2: in store customers receive a free twenty ounce yetti tumbler.
Speaker 2: I feel like we should count as the first fifty.
Speaker 2: I mean, we're here right.
Speaker 5: Right now, I feel like but you know, I don't
Speaker 5: mind getting here early. I'll do five am.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. If you didn't want just the tumbler, you
Speaker 2: get a free batch brew coffee for an entire year.
Speaker 5: Oh wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Real camping about.
Speaker 6: At like three am though, you know it's gonna be popping.
Speaker 2: See.
Speaker 5: No, what happens is you got it's all about smoking distractions,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. Oh look at that it
Speaker 5: turns around. You just slide right in spot and they
Speaker 5: can't move right.
Speaker 2: I'm too big, right, You don't know who's going to
Speaker 2: be showing up.
Speaker 5: I might not want to mess with I just about.
Speaker 2: To say, you might not want to mess around with it.
Speaker 6: Box out.
Speaker 2: But the address sixteen five nine nine farm to Market
Speaker 2: Road FM for twenty three here in Frisco, Texas, five am,
Speaker 2: doors open. Charlotte Jones will be here on Saturday. The
Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders will be here, Rowdy will be here.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a whole lot of fun. But John,
Speaker 2: we've got to get your thoughts first time here on
Speaker 2: the show since you arrived back in Dallas from Philadelphia.
Speaker 2: Twenty eight, twenty three final score of the Eagles over
Speaker 2: the Cowboys. What are your thoughts from Sunday night?
Speaker 4: So for me, going into the game, I thought that
Speaker 4: there was a chance that they could lose by multiple touchdowns,
Speaker 4: and the way the game started, I thought it could
Speaker 4: have been headed in that direction. So I was I
Speaker 4: was impressed on how when they came out and got
Speaker 4: when three and out Philly scores. But then the answer
Speaker 4: the way that they did, I was, I was genuinely
Speaker 4: impressed with that and kind of it set the tone like, Hey,
Speaker 4: this isn't going to be some type of a san
Speaker 4: Francisco Part two. But then the third quarter happens and
Speaker 4: you're just like, yeah, this could this could get out
Speaker 4: of control. I didn't think the defense played well enough.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's you know, how much any times have
Speaker 4: we talked about them being the strength of the team.
Speaker 4: The defense had to play great, needed the defense to
Speaker 4: show up, and they didn't in that third quarter, But
Speaker 4: then they do in the fourth. I mean, just the
Speaker 4: ups and downs of that game were wild, and then
Speaker 4: to even get the chance to steal it in the end,
Speaker 4: it was stunning. And I will say this, going in
Speaker 4: the locker room, I didn't really know what to expect,
Speaker 4: but it certainly was a more positive locker room than
Speaker 4: I can remember after any loss. I literally there isn't
Speaker 4: even like a comparison. I can't even think of a
Speaker 4: rival to it in my time covering this team. And
Speaker 4: so maybe that's a good sign, you know, maybe that
Speaker 4: they feel like that this is a building block and
Speaker 4: they can take it's in a positive direction. The issue
Speaker 4: is that now you're two and a half games back
Speaker 4: of the Eagles, and this is a team that really
Speaker 4: needs to win the division. With how they've played at home,
Speaker 4: you don't want to be going into this as a
Speaker 4: wild card and having to play on the road all
Speaker 4: the time, and so they got some catching up to
Speaker 4: do now. I mean, I certainly think when they rematch
Speaker 4: against the Eagles, that's a must win. They have to
Speaker 4: have that game. But there were a lot of good
Speaker 4: things to take out this game, obviously, with number one
Speaker 4: being Dak Prescott.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna sound like a therapist, and it's not just
Speaker 2: because of the coffee and the fire behind me and
Speaker 2: we're leaning back in these nice leather stures, so we're
Speaker 2: here for you. But I'm gonna ask Isaiah, how does
Speaker 2: that make you feel? From a player former player standpoint? Whenever?
Speaker 2: Following the loss, there is some positivity around it. I know,
Speaker 2: we talked about it yesterday. There are positives you can
Speaker 2: take from it and build from in that game. But
Speaker 2: we've talked about moral victories, we talked about the some
Speaker 2: of those things you can rest your laurels on. Does
Speaker 2: that make you feel confident in the way this team
Speaker 2: is moving in the right direction or is that something
Speaker 2: that could maybe come up in the future.
Speaker 5: I think that is realistic, you know, everybody. I mean,
Speaker 5: there's no moral victories, but there is facts and the
Speaker 5: facts are earlier in the season, when you got your
Speaker 5: butt kicked by San Francisco, the gap between you and
Speaker 5: the teams that are on that level of competition was vast.
Speaker 5: It was it was a freaking you know, it's an
Speaker 5: ocean right in between, you know, in between you and them.
Speaker 5: And now all of a sudden, you play the Eagles,
Speaker 5: and now you recognize that it's not that large of
Speaker 5: a gap anymore. And you know, you hear people saying, well,
Speaker 5: I could play with these guys. That's not what you
Speaker 5: want to say. You know that you could play with
Speaker 5: these guys, but you didn't recognize that, hey, we're that
Speaker 5: we're just that close to winning the game. And now
Speaker 5: you know, and now you know exactly what issues they
Speaker 5: present to you. Now you know instead of just going
Speaker 5: off of, you know, the analytics, instead of just going
Speaker 5: off of you know, the rosters. Now you know for
Speaker 5: sure where your where your problem spots are and you
Speaker 5: can address those via film. And now that you could
Speaker 5: dress those via film, you go out there. You can
Speaker 5: correct these issues over the next few weeks, right and
Speaker 5: you take you have some tough opponents following that, and
Speaker 5: then you get to face the Eagles again and then
Speaker 5: guess what, you get the chance for redemption. So I
Speaker 5: think it is awesome from that regard. Like I said,
Speaker 5: like we say yesterday, the only thing that sucks is
Speaker 5: you two and a half games back, So now you've
Speaker 5: got to try to play catchup and you're kind of
Speaker 5: hoping that they that they stumble along the way in
Speaker 5: the middle of their season.
Speaker 4: One other takeaway I wanted to share. I know that
Speaker 4: this has been a pretty notable NFL story, so I'm
Speaker 4: not breaking any news here, but it was wild being
Speaker 4: there and seeing how they're head coach and quarterback are
Speaker 4: handling his knee injury, Like just how secretive they're being
Speaker 4: about it. It is so strange. He clearly was injured
Speaker 4: at the end of the first half and just like
Speaker 4: you didn't expect questions about this. I mean, there was
Speaker 4: some Marcus Mariota was warming up on the sideline, and
Speaker 4: the way that they're just keeping that under wraps, it
Speaker 4: just makes me wonder, like how significant is this. But
Speaker 4: then the other part of it is like he's not
Speaker 4: on the injury report. Yeah, that whole thing is is
Speaker 4: kind of kind of wild to me. The way that
Speaker 4: that's going down who knows how significant it is. Obviously
Speaker 4: he played well, so he's able to play through it.
Speaker 4: But is that something that they have their topest part
Speaker 4: of their schedule coming up. How is he gonna make
Speaker 4: his make his way through that. Obviously they can sit
Speaker 4: there and say publicly what they want, but I don't
Speaker 4: understand how you're in if you're playing the Eagles, how
Speaker 4: you're not trying to put big time shots on Jalen
Speaker 4: Hurts right now, because it does look like just the
Speaker 4: wrong tackle type thing like that. I mean, I didn't
Speaker 4: even think the way Micah tackled him that it was
Speaker 4: any type of you know, thing that would lead to
Speaker 4: an injury.
Speaker 2: Or or it was the law it was de Law
Speaker 2: fell on his knee that first first half year's.
Speaker 4: One when when Micah like kind of you know, honestly
Speaker 4: I thought he like went and set him down nicely
Speaker 4: and uh and in just the way that he just
Speaker 4: didn't seem like one hundred percent right. So just something
Speaker 4: that to monitor going forward. But again just because how
Speaker 4: secretive there being about it's weird.
Speaker 6: Two piggybacks off that one.
Speaker 7: You could see on the TV copy right after that
Speaker 7: uh tackle late in the first half it's like his
Speaker 7: left leg is like shaking as he's getting up, and
Speaker 7: I was I told Patrick Walker next to me, I
Speaker 7: was like, oh, he's done. Then he comes right back
Speaker 7: out for the next drive.
Speaker 6: I'm like, all right, so.
Speaker 4: Well, they did a great death to building up the
Speaker 4: hype out. Yes, when they came out, he was one
Speaker 4: of the last people to come out of locker room,
Speaker 4: and Mariota had his helmet on and was throwing. So,
Speaker 4: I mean, you're sitting there like, are they really about
Speaker 4: to is he not? And then all of a sudden
Speaker 4: he comes out, granted his helmet at the last minute,
Speaker 4: goes back in, So it's almost like they're playing up
Speaker 4: to it a little bit too. It just it's something
Speaker 4: interesting to watch.
Speaker 2: Well, when we were talking about it on the TV
Speaker 2: copy as well. He goes in early at halftime, and
Speaker 2: of course if you're just just watching the game casually,
Speaker 2: you're like, oh my gosh, he's heard. He's going into
Speaker 2: the locker room. He's going into halftime. They weren't going
Speaker 2: back out on offense, and he's getting treatment to begin
Speaker 2: the second half and try and get an early start
Speaker 2: on treatment. But you need the treatment for an injury normally,
Speaker 2: and we were even doing our prep for postgame and
Speaker 2: I write the postgame highlight reel and I put together
Speaker 2: plays as a game goes along, and there are some
Speaker 2: that I put in there, and I take out. One
Speaker 2: of the plays I put in there was the d
Speaker 2: Laws sack right at the end of the second quarter,
Speaker 2: and the way he got up and the way he
Speaker 2: kind of hobbled to the sideline. He continued through the
Speaker 2: second quarter and then once of course they had to punt,
Speaker 2: went into the locker room. I was like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna put this in the highlight reel because if he
Speaker 2: comes out and he doesn't look good, or if he
Speaker 2: doesn't play, then it's a significant storyline coming into the
Speaker 2: third quarter. He comes out and they drive right down
Speaker 2: the field, and I texted our producer, I said, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's fine. I was like, I'm going to take that
Speaker 2: one out, that play out of it. But that's that's
Speaker 2: kind of speaking to what you're talking about, how how
Speaker 2: played up it was to the point where now it's
Speaker 2: a complete non factor. It is kind of an interesting dealing.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you withhold injuries off of an injury report,
Speaker 2: that would be possible draft picks.
Speaker 4: Fine, I'm not sure exactly what it would be, but yeah,
Speaker 4: the other thing I wanted to mention of it too
Speaker 4: is and maybe just watching more of that game than
Speaker 4: a lot of the other ones. But the key to
Speaker 4: the brotherly shove is Kelsey.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean.
Speaker 4: As well, as soon as they snapped the ball, it's
Speaker 4: like he's already leaning in and you look at like
Speaker 4: when the Cowboys tried to run it one of those
Speaker 4: times dek is beyond the oddish mm hmm. Whereas like
Speaker 4: when you watch the Eagles run it, there is always
Speaker 4: a push up, there's always like immediately. So my old
Speaker 4: thing is I would like to see how it looks
Speaker 4: if Kelsey wasn't out there. I bet you it doesn't
Speaker 4: have the success it does without him.
Speaker 2: What do you think, Isaiah, whenever you look at something
Speaker 2: like that, I.
Speaker 5: Think it's as successful with or without Kelsey. I think
Speaker 5: the guards are the main guys that really kind of
Speaker 5: spearhead it, literally spearheaded it, because they're in a four
Speaker 5: point stance. Kelsey has to be in a three point
Speaker 5: because you just you know, you know, snap the ball.
Speaker 5: But those guys are in a four point stance, and
Speaker 5: as soon as the ball is snapped, they literally just shoot.
Speaker 5: They shoot right down and pretty much clear out the
Speaker 5: way for Kelsey and so that between the three of
Speaker 5: those guys, there's no way to stop that dam. I mean,
Speaker 5: if somebody stopped it, what once this year, I think,
Speaker 5: but the chances are slimmed it none.
Speaker 2: Well was Washington who stopped it, and then the very
Speaker 2: next time they turned around and ran it. They flipped
Speaker 2: it out and there was a fake brother lea shove
Speaker 2: and then they ranched into the end zone with DeAndre Swift.
Speaker 2: So plenty to talk about from this Eaguals game. I
Speaker 2: want to get into the defense in the next segment
Speaker 2: before we do that, Nick, do we have any news
Speaker 2: and notes to hit from? Yes, hearing from coordinators Mike McCarthy, etc.
Speaker 7: Yeah, We'll start with something we didn't really get to
Speaker 7: touch on a whole lot yesterday with Marktavis Bryant coming
Speaker 7: in today this morning for the workout.
Speaker 6: Should be happening right as we speak, right now. Steven
Speaker 6: Jones talked about it yesterday.
Speaker 7: Mike McCarthy spoke a little bit about it, but it
Speaker 7: looked like it was an evaluation from Will McClay and
Speaker 7: his staff based on what he did in the XFL
Speaker 7: with the Vegas Vipers.
Speaker 6: Not a lot of production.
Speaker 7: I believe it was eighteen receptions for one hundred and
Speaker 7: fifty four yards this past spring season in eight games
Speaker 7: with the Vipers. So bringing him in today for a workout.
Speaker 7: He's at thirty two years old, hasn't played in the
Speaker 7: league in five years, so not sure what the level
Speaker 7: of expectation should be, but it's something that's happening and
Speaker 7: there's an open practice bot available for him if he
Speaker 7: does end up wanting to be signed by the staff.
Speaker 7: If he doesn't, then he'll head to Tennessee and workout
Speaker 7: for the Titans.
Speaker 2: We talked a little bit yesterday about Michael Gallup along
Speaker 2: with Brandon Cooks and kind of the inability to get
Speaker 2: those weapons involved. It's mostly for a practice squad spot
Speaker 2: that they're trying Brian out for, so it's in terms
Speaker 2: of the grand scheme of this offense. It doesn't shake
Speaker 2: things up significantly, But does that tell you anything about
Speaker 2: what they're trying to do from an offensive standpoint, trying
Speaker 2: to find some weapons and work guys out.
Speaker 4: I mean, listening to Jerry this morning, I thought it
Speaker 4: was interesting that he mentioned two different times that they
Speaker 4: have this receiver coming in that they're going to work out.
Speaker 4: They have workouts all the time, he never talks about that.
Speaker 4: For him to mention it multiple times, I did think
Speaker 4: that that was interesting. So it made me think that, yeah,
Speaker 4: there must be some genuine interest in potentially adding him
Speaker 4: to the mix. I mean, yeah, I guess, I guess
Speaker 4: it could help, But I don't know how he's going
Speaker 4: to bring anything more to the table than what they
Speaker 4: already have. Like, how is he going to bring more
Speaker 4: than what they have in Tolbert? You have Brandon Cooks
Speaker 4: who's coming off and getting targeted only twice. I don't
Speaker 4: know how all of a sudden, a guy that was
Speaker 4: playing for the Vegas Vipers, which I just learned that
Speaker 4: team name right now, is going to come in here
Speaker 4: mid season and then be like a major factor for
Speaker 4: this team just because another factor in that for me
Speaker 4: is just I kind of thought the way that t
Speaker 4: Y Hilton started when they first added him, that it
Speaker 4: was going to be a bigger factor as the season
Speaker 4: went on. You know, he had that big catch against
Speaker 4: the Eagles and that kind of just kind of faded out,
Speaker 4: you know, and I just I would be very surprised
Speaker 4: if at any anybody at this point that is going
Speaker 4: to make this this notable addition to the offense. I
Speaker 4: think that they're pretty much when they didn't make a
Speaker 4: move at the trade deadline, they were their hand was
Speaker 4: was shown. It was gonna be what they have right now.
Speaker 2: You took a page right out of the next question,
Speaker 2: it was are they trying to find t Y Hilton?
Speaker 2: Is that where they're trying to find just somebody to
Speaker 2: make an impact like that, maybe from a veterans standpoint,
Speaker 2: maybe from a locker room standpoint, because isay, I know
Speaker 2: you liked what he brought to the table last year,
Speaker 2: not necessarily from a production standpoint, but what he did
Speaker 2: outside of the field.
Speaker 5: So about t Y and t Y, oh yeah, t
Speaker 5: Y was a dude. I mean, I mean, obviously he
Speaker 5: had to play against Philly, but he was open a lot.
Speaker 5: He just didn't get the ball. So some kind of
Speaker 5: like Brandon Cooks this year, Brandon Cooks has opened a lot.
Speaker 5: He's just not getting the ball. So they're going to control.
Speaker 5: You can control from that position. But to you guys's point,
Speaker 5: I don't see that if they do sign Brian I
Speaker 5: don't think that he comes in and has a major impact.
Speaker 5: If he didn't have a major impact in the XFL,
Speaker 5: I can't see him doing it in the NFL.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he was drafted by Pittsburgh, spent three seasons there,
Speaker 7: traded to Oakland, spent a season there before getting suspended
Speaker 7: for a year, ended up getting suspended for indefinite amount
Speaker 7: of time that eventually ended this past Saturday. He spent
Speaker 7: time in the CFL and then obviously the XFL. He
Speaker 7: never played in the CFL because he kept getting suspended
Speaker 7: in the CFL too, But and then now he's in
Speaker 7: the XFL.
Speaker 6: But I'm not sure.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure.
Speaker 7: We'll see, We'll see what comes out of this. I
Speaker 7: think if he signed today, then there's probably a lot
Speaker 7: more questions that come on the backside of it of
Speaker 7: you know, what if he's done in the last couple
Speaker 7: of years to tell you that he's not.
Speaker 6: Going to be suspended again.
Speaker 4: So I'm trying to think, like, who they've added, like
Speaker 4: a mid season type thing like that that's had Like
Speaker 4: the biggest impact in the last like ten plus years.
Speaker 6: Was Greg Hardy a mid season No, he wasn't okay.
Speaker 4: Okay, and even that I think maybe that was more
Speaker 4: of a negative impact.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, if anything, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: I maintain that's the worst always a moved the last decade.
Speaker 4: And they obviously they trade for Hankins last year. You know,
Speaker 4: he's he's helped the run defense. But I just think
Speaker 4: of like like Michael Bennett and some of these other
Speaker 4: moves that they've made, Like, I don't know, there's just
Speaker 4: something about mid season like that there's hope that you
Speaker 4: know that this can be something, but you're probably gonna
Speaker 4: roll with the guys that you've had going all the
Speaker 4: way back to Ota many.
Speaker 7: I thought you're talking more like mid season character guys
Speaker 7: where it's like, oh do we.
Speaker 6: Really want to throw him in the locker room?
Speaker 2: The middle is a good point mid season?
Speaker 6: No, no, no, I was not speaking to him on
Speaker 6: like a positive I got you.
Speaker 4: I was just I meant, like just in general, like
Speaker 4: making a move that like, hey, this could well if.
Speaker 2: You're talking trade Amari Cooper, yeah, I mean, if you're
Speaker 2: talking trade wise, there was an impact there, But in
Speaker 2: terms of a signing off of the street, I don't
Speaker 2: see any.
Speaker 4: Give up a first round pick and you can get
Speaker 4: mid season improvement.
Speaker 2: Hey, there was mid season improvement there. Yeah, no, but
Speaker 2: then you didn't have your first round.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you know that.
Speaker 2: So what do you feel like Major Pain would say
Speaker 2: about adding a guy like Bryant Isaiah? What do you
Speaker 2: feel like you would say the.
Speaker 5: Major pay is probably the only person I can get
Speaker 5: him right, Yeah, A little bit.
Speaker 2: That anything else.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there was one.
Speaker 7: Uh, there was a tweet that I had put out
Speaker 7: yesterday and I honestly didn't expect it to get as
Speaker 7: much traction as it did. It was more so just
Speaker 7: kind of highlighting the inconsistencies on the offensive line this season.
Speaker 6: John Friday is what I'm talking about already.
Speaker 7: I just kind of highlighted the total pressures that have
Speaker 7: been allowed by Dallas Cowboys offensive lineman this season. And
Speaker 7: I put all five starters, and then Chumanidoga just because
Speaker 7: he's gotten so much time as well.
Speaker 6: So we'll run through the list here.
Speaker 7: Tyler Smith four only four pressures season, He's on an
Speaker 7: all pro pace. I think we can all agree to that.
Speaker 7: Tyron Smith five. Whenever he's been healthy, he's been super awesome.
Speaker 7: Zach Martin thirteen, Tyler Biattish fourteen, Chuma Ydoga eleven and
Speaker 7: Terrence Steele twenty eight, including twelve versus Philadelphia. He had
Speaker 7: twelve versus Philadelphia and nine versus the Niners. Those combined
Speaker 7: are more than any other guy on this list for
Speaker 7: the season. So yeah, got a lot of tracks, a
Speaker 7: lot of people kind of highlighting Steel in that moment,
Speaker 7: which you know I would have.
Speaker 6: It's very just.
Speaker 7: And there was a question asked yesterday to Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 7: you know, is Steel still the same pre post.
Speaker 6: Injury as he was pre injury?
Speaker 7: He's like, you know, it's still He's still gonna have
Speaker 7: to like ramp up and you know, get used to
Speaker 7: being back on the field in the.
Speaker 2: Full full capacity.
Speaker 6: So I get that's the first time I've kind of.
Speaker 7: Heard concern post injury from Terrence Steele from anybody. Where's
Speaker 7: where's y'all's confidence level and Sarren Steele and especially given
Speaker 7: that they just paid him this offseason.
Speaker 4: Two, that's the biggest one is that they Smith there,
Speaker 4: Dalen Smith, you know, if it's going to be because
Speaker 4: they just paid him. But I maintained that as much
Speaker 4: as you know, we'll spend time on the draft and
Speaker 4: and all that going into it. Like my leader in
Speaker 4: the clubhouse by far is them drafting the offensive lineman
Speaker 4: in the first round.
Speaker 2: So I'm with you.
Speaker 4: I don't know how that impacts, you know, steel and
Speaker 4: everything like that. And obviously he needs play better, but
Speaker 4: that was probably the one area on the team where
Speaker 4: I was like, you know, and and and he obviously
Speaker 4: stood out in terms of it. They just had to
Speaker 4: be better late in that game, and if they were,
Speaker 4: they were just if he just would have been solid
Speaker 4: and that, and then I think the Cowboys win that game.
Speaker 4: So I totally understand why white people are pointing to
Speaker 4: that after the game for sure, but because of the contract,
Speaker 4: I don't see where you'll be going in another direction.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I liked he still. Yeah, I mean, I think
Speaker 5: he's having a little bit of a rough spell, but
Speaker 5: I liked he still. I think he's a fighter. He's
Speaker 5: probably the one dude if I had to ask anybody
Speaker 5: on this office a line to go into a going
Speaker 5: to a uh Ali with he STI would be one
Speaker 5: of those guys, you know, if nothing him and probably
Speaker 5: Tyler Smith. He's struggling. He's struggling, but he's also facing
Speaker 5: some of the best dudes in this dog on the league.
Speaker 5: So I mean take, you know, taking, give, give and take,
Speaker 5: however you want to look at it that situation. You know, yeah,
Speaker 5: he got paid, So if people have a level of
Speaker 5: expectation that comes with that, I understand that. But he's
Speaker 5: also coming off of freaking a c l you know, so.
Speaker 2: You know, nine pressures against San Francisco, the twelve pressures
Speaker 2: against Philly. When you're an opponent and you see a
Speaker 2: week link, you normally try and attack it. Is he
Speaker 2: the weak link on this offensive line to the point
Speaker 2: where I think the pressure speaks that it is, because honestly,
Speaker 2: one of the other things that stood out to me
Speaker 2: about the tweet that Nick put out there was the
Speaker 2: fact that Zach Martin has thirteen pressures or twelve, what
Speaker 2: was it, thirteen pressures Tyler Biottish has fourteen, So they're
Speaker 2: right there neck and neck in terms of pressures on
Speaker 2: the interior. Now, interior pressures are not equal to tackle pressures.
Speaker 2: We talked about that before. It's not the same, correct,
Speaker 2: But whenever you have twenty eight pressures and there's that
Speaker 2: much of a discrepancy, especially over two games against the
Speaker 2: best two teams in the NFC, I think there is
Speaker 2: a factor there that needs to be talked about as
Speaker 2: him being the weak link, because if they're the best
Speaker 2: teams in the NFC, they're going to use their strength
Speaker 2: against your weak point. And if the week point is
Speaker 2: a total of twenty one pressures allowed in two games,
Speaker 2: then that's something I think of it. Of course, it's Bosa, Graham,
Speaker 2: mixture of all those guys. He'll see Chase Young at
Speaker 2: some point down the line.
Speaker 5: Yes, you're getting literally the NFL's best. Yeah, I'm not
Speaker 5: saying that it's okay for him to not be successful
Speaker 5: against that, But you're getting Bosa, you know, had a
Speaker 5: part in that. You're getting sweat, Sure had a part
Speaker 5: of that. Brandon Graham, He's been sacking people for a
Speaker 5: living his entire career. So yeah, he has to do better,
Speaker 5: absolutely has to do better. But I don't I would
Speaker 5: not put him as the weakest link on this on
Speaker 5: this team right now, that's not the guy. He's the
Speaker 5: guy has on an island. Now, tackles are on islands.
Speaker 5: We all understand that, right, So they don't have if
Speaker 5: they misstep at all, they get beat. They have one misstep,
Speaker 5: they if they have one error in their blocking technique,
Speaker 5: they get beat. Interior linemen not so much. Right, you
Speaker 5: got help.
Speaker 2: But even even Tyrone Smith and Chumadoga, who have played
Speaker 2: the same competition that Terrence Steel has played, have combined
Speaker 2: for less pressures by a significant margin over what Terrence
Speaker 2: Steel was put out there.
Speaker 5: I hear you again. It comes down to matchups. It
Speaker 5: really just comes down to matches. I mean, you could
Speaker 5: look at the analytics all day long to say, yeah,
Speaker 5: his numbers are way higher. To look at who they're
Speaker 5: facing as well. Right, Tyrn Smith's been out there for
Speaker 5: you know, a couple of sneezes, and you know Cheumandoga
Speaker 5: the same thing. Right, those guys haven't had the mount
Speaker 5: of reps. Terrace Stale hasn't come off the field.
Speaker 6: Well, I know, we haven't.
Speaker 2: I know we haven't.
Speaker 7: I know we've talked about internal pressures being different than
Speaker 7: the tackles, but look at what the interior guys have
Speaker 7: faced this year too.
Speaker 6: Look at Tyler Smith.
Speaker 7: Four pressures allowed. That's going up against Dexter Lawrence, that's
Speaker 7: going up against U. I don't know, rattle off a
Speaker 7: lot of the defensive tackles that this team is facing.
Speaker 5: The whole right side is getting beat up, right, now,
Speaker 5: for sure, the.
Speaker 7: Left side is the strong side, and it's by a
Speaker 7: healthy margin. I think there has to be some sort
Speaker 7: of there has to be some sort of improvement from T.
Speaker 2: Steel.
Speaker 7: If we look up in five six weeks and this
Speaker 7: trend is still happening with Steel, I think that's when
Speaker 7: you look up and you're like, all right, Chuma, you've
Speaker 7: done a good job filling in at left tackle. Let's
Speaker 7: look at Tyrant right tackle. But I don't want to
Speaker 7: get ahead of myself there. But I think those are
Speaker 7: just conversations at a certain point. I don't think it's
Speaker 7: just right now. I think there's still time for T.
Speaker 7: Steel to be able to.
Speaker 2: Pick it up.
Speaker 7: There's three really good opportunities coming up against weak defensive lines.
Speaker 5: So I think we gave We gave Michael Gallup two
Speaker 5: years before we started saying maybe his knees not right,
Speaker 5: you know, you know, Terry Steel. We're eight games into it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean you bring up Gallup. I mean
Speaker 4: the elephant in the room is when they've given these
Speaker 4: given guys new.
Speaker 2: Like it's not just that.
Speaker 4: I mean I'm talking look at like the last guys
Speaker 4: that given new contracts too. I mean you're talking about
Speaker 4: like Lyle Collins, Ezekiel Elliott, Jalen Smith, Michael Gallup, Terrence Steele. Like,
Speaker 4: I mean, there's just a lot of completely understanding why
Speaker 4: you would want to resign those players. There's no like
Speaker 4: questioning any of that. But it's like, I don't know
Speaker 4: if it's bad luck or what, but it's just one
Speaker 4: of those. Man, it's rough with your guy always used
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Speaker 4: to pay him and stuff like that. And that's obviously
Speaker 4: tough to do because you have to draft. You have
Speaker 4: to be excellent drafting. Obviously the Cowboy's been very good
Speaker 4: at drafting. But it's just so interesting how it was
Speaker 4: like so many of these guys, it's made sense like
Speaker 4: oh yeah, no, that's the next guy to give a
Speaker 4: contract to and then just hasn't lived up since they've
Speaker 4: gotten paid.
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Speaker 2: But we talked in that first break about the offense.
Speaker 2: We talked a lot yesterday about the offense. It's headed
Speaker 2: in the right direction. There's lots of growth on that
Speaker 2: side of the football. Defensively, have you seen a match
Speaker 2: of that energy, John, whenever you're watching this team, Because
Speaker 2: depending on who you ask after the twenty eight to
Speaker 2: twenty three loss to Philly, some would say, of course
Speaker 2: that the offense is to blame, The defense is to blame.
Speaker 2: Everybody's to blame. Who knows where would you see the
Speaker 2: defense and evaluate the defense over these last three weeks
Speaker 2: since giving up forty two to San Francisco.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think that they've played pretty well. If
Speaker 4: you can take that third quarter away against the Eagles,
Speaker 4: they look like they're.
Speaker 2: Supposed to look.
Speaker 4: I mean, that is, you know, that is the strength
Speaker 4: of this team. So point and I did think that
Speaker 4: they played well enough for them to win the game.
Speaker 4: In the fourth quarter, they came up with the sass.
Speaker 4: The thing that really hurt them is that they were
Speaker 4: able to get the ball out, but they just weren't
Speaker 4: able to recover the ball against the Eagles. You know
Speaker 4: that was the thing. Like I really felt for them
Speaker 4: to win that game, they probably were gonna have to
Speaker 4: win that turnover battle because that's such a big part
Speaker 4: of what they do, you know, It's been such a
Speaker 4: big part of their identity the last couple of years,
Speaker 4: and for them not to win that that was a
Speaker 4: big That was a big issue in that game. But
Speaker 4: I guess I guess you could maybe want to see
Speaker 4: some more pressures. I don't know, Like I don't really
Speaker 4: have a lot of strong criticism of the defense. I
Speaker 4: will say after the third quarter, I did think my
Speaker 4: game story was going to be about the defense not
Speaker 4: playing well enough. But it's hard to sit there and
Speaker 4: not give them their props for that fourth quarter, because
Speaker 4: it's not a game if they don't step up as
Speaker 4: well so they can play better. But I don't sit
Speaker 4: there and look at them it's like, oh, this is
Speaker 4: all of a sudden an issue. It's not as good
Speaker 4: as we thought it was, or anything like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's surprising because coming into this game, Dallas was
Speaker 5: zero to two when they lost the turnover margin, and
Speaker 5: then they were five and oh when they tied or
Speaker 5: or won the turnover margins. So this is their first
Speaker 5: loss time on the turnover margin. But you can't. This
Speaker 5: team needs to be grateful whenever you have turnovers, but
Speaker 5: you can't say, oh we can we only can win
Speaker 5: games when we get turnovers, right. It's just it was
Speaker 5: one heck of a game. It's just flat out that's
Speaker 5: what it was.
Speaker 4: You got to have something that you know that kind
Speaker 4: of tips it tips, I get it.
Speaker 5: And they put the ball on the ground three times.
Speaker 5: You didn't come away with any of them. The ball
Speaker 5: just didn't bounce your way. Sometimes, you know, there's games
Speaker 5: we're just like, dude, we can't, we can't. We can't
Speaker 5: win for losing, you know. And it's like it was
Speaker 5: one of those games where the ballgeres would not go
Speaker 5: your way. They weren't putting it in the air to
Speaker 5: have any errors in that regard to Ron Bland didn't
Speaker 5: have any opportunities to have any pick sixes. So it's just,
Speaker 5: you know, they took the l you know, hopefully they
Speaker 5: can force them next time.
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Speaker 7: Part of really quick on the defense, this is, uh,
Speaker 7: try and change the two things that I highlighted from
Speaker 7: the defense. You were talking about the turnover margin. Obviously
Speaker 7: big deal of second time.
Speaker 6: This year that they haven't been able to generate a
Speaker 6: turnover and they're rolling two in those games.
Speaker 7: The big thing for me, six games in a row
Speaker 7: they've allowed points on the first possession.
Speaker 6: They got to be able to come out the gates
Speaker 6: a little.
Speaker 7: Bit hotter, and when you look at the losses that
Speaker 7: they've suffered in those six games, and how critical those
Speaker 7: first drives were to not only setting momentum for the
Speaker 7: opposing offense, but also just kind of like putting the
Speaker 7: offense behind.
Speaker 6: It's it's it's been really bad.
Speaker 7: So you know, it hurt them really bad to get
Speaker 7: San Francisco, hurt them against Arizona. I'm trying to think
Speaker 7: of some other games as well. At Chargers game and
Speaker 7: had them playing from behind. You know, you take out
Speaker 7: that opening drive touchdown, that's probably a much more wider
Speaker 7: margin down late late in the game. And obviously on
Speaker 7: Sunday night, and not only on Sunday night against Philly.
Speaker 7: Was it the first half, it was the second half,
Speaker 7: you know, coming out and allowing those back to back
Speaker 7: touchdown drives out of the break, and they got to
Speaker 7: be able to pick up momentum off off rip a
Speaker 7: little bit better. That's that's the biggest knock I have
Speaker 7: on this offen or on this defense right now.
Speaker 2: It's one thing to say you have to get off
Speaker 2: to a better start, you have to play better from
Speaker 2: the jump and get off to a hot start. But
Speaker 2: when you say that, Nick, where where do you start?
Speaker 2: How do you how do you get to that point?
Speaker 2: And who on that defense needs to step up and
Speaker 2: make a player? Or is it different every time? I
Speaker 2: think it's different every time.
Speaker 7: It's a unit thing, you know, it's it's a whole
Speaker 7: I guess it would have to be commune just all
Speaker 7: the way around. So whoever's wearing that green dot, you know,
Speaker 7: that's the guy that's that's gonna be maintaining momentum in
Speaker 7: those situations and being able.
Speaker 2: To get off helped in that situation.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but it was the same when Layton was on
Speaker 7: the field. You know, it's it's been six games in
Speaker 7: a row. He hasn't been out for six games, So
Speaker 7: there's got to be some sort of leadership step up
Speaker 7: there in that sense and getting off the field, And
Speaker 7: I know that was just an overarching big problem against
Speaker 7: Philadelphia two seven for fourteen on third down that they
Speaker 7: were I believe it was two for two on fourth down.
Speaker 7: So they just got to be able to get off
Speaker 7: the field. And that's that's the toughest thing I look
Speaker 7: at whenever I look at, you know, a ten minute
Speaker 7: drive a couple of weeks ago. I forget the opponent,
Speaker 7: but it was a ten minute drive and a really
Speaker 7: critical time of the time of the game. And then
Speaker 7: you look at Philly in the second and the second half.
Speaker 7: They started the third quarter these long, methodical drives where
Speaker 7: they took ten minutes off the clock in the third
Speaker 7: quarter with fourteen points and had them working from behind
Speaker 7: and they never caught up. So they just got to
Speaker 7: get off the field. That's my biggest thing against this
Speaker 7: defense right now.
Speaker 5: Do you missed the production of Vanderish.
Speaker 7: No, I don't think so, because if you look at
Speaker 7: what Marqu's Bell has done, it's been fine. And you
Speaker 7: look at the running game, it's not like there's been
Speaker 7: a significant change there.
Speaker 2: Thanks, you know, if you look at something, I would
Speaker 2: rather have Layton vander Esh and Marky's Bellark, Yeah, and
Speaker 2: Demon Clark. I think de moon Clark's played well. And
Speaker 2: I liked the intensity. Everybody's talking about Jason Kelsey because
Speaker 2: the Kelsey name is hot right now, and that's kind
Speaker 2: of everything him yelling at the moon Clark and kind
Speaker 2: of dem Damon was in his face all the way through.
Speaker 2: And that second year player who didn't play a whole
Speaker 2: lot last year.
Speaker 5: Girl, I'm here for it. But the thing is, if
Speaker 5: so listen, I'm just asking a question, because this is
Speaker 5: done on the roster. If you don't miss vander Esh,
Speaker 5: do you take somebody off the field to put Vanderish
Speaker 5: back on the field, Because you only use two linebackers,
Speaker 5: right exactly.
Speaker 4: I don't think that there's been I don't think there's
Speaker 4: been that for me that I know that there has
Speaker 4: not been the drop off that I thought there would be. No,
Speaker 4: I'm not and think it would be major, but I
Speaker 4: think there'd be a little bit. But to your point,
Speaker 4: I just think they're so thin at linebacker depth that
Speaker 4: it would be nice to have.
Speaker 5: No for sure, saying Benners comes back, does he go
Speaker 5: back to starting and you take Markey's bill off the field.
Speaker 4: And he would, Yeah.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, But when you look into the off season and
Speaker 7: you look at some potential things that they can do,
Speaker 7: and not only in the linebacking corps, but at the
Speaker 7: safety unit as well. You look at the one safety
Speaker 7: that hasn't been signed long term and Jalon Curse is
Speaker 7: starting safety Karalon Curse. You look at one Yea Thomas
Speaker 7: has been able to do. You look at what Marky's
Speaker 7: Bell has been able to do. You're able to slide
Speaker 7: Layton vandrush back into that lineback and corp and then
Speaker 7: rely on either Bell or Thomas if they don't want
Speaker 7: to resign Curse.
Speaker 6: So I think there's options that that Bell could have
Speaker 6: after the season.
Speaker 7: But once Layton van Rush is healthy, you have to
Speaker 7: be able to plug him back in because he's not
Speaker 7: only valuable on the field with his with his play,
Speaker 7: but like his presence as well. You can't take that away.
Speaker 7: And Bell's never going to live up to that. Nothing
Speaker 7: against Bell, like that's just not who he is.
Speaker 5: I'd much rather have Baill speed than personally then that's
Speaker 5: me personally sure. I just I think that Bell has
Speaker 5: stopped a lot of the threats that you you that
Speaker 5: you face opposition. You know, obviously not an Acres, but Eckler.
Speaker 5: Eckler shut that down. He was a big, big reason
Speaker 5: why he didn't get off the ground. He's able to
Speaker 5: go sideline the sideline a lot more effectively than Vanner.
Speaker 5: She's able to change directions a lot more effectively than
Speaker 5: vander esh. I feel like batter Is is relatively stiff,
Speaker 5: and I think that you're not losing anything by having
Speaker 5: bail in there. I think you actually gain by having
Speaker 5: bailed in there. I think there's assets that he provides
Speaker 5: a Bantererest is not.
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Speaker 2: Ronkers two. When it comes to the defense as a whole,
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Speaker 2: or have we started to see a shift there as well.
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Speaker 2: You're gonna pull a Kyle in twenty twenty and run
Speaker 2: to the Star and back. But whenever you, whenever you
Speaker 2: got down to the Cayen Pepper to live up to
Speaker 2: the expectation, it did.
Speaker 6: I felt it. Whenever it got a little kick, it
Speaker 6: was a nice little touch.
Speaker 12: I do it again.
Speaker 5: Where'd you feel it?
Speaker 6: Like right on the tongue, right on the tip, John.
Speaker 2: Maud stand back nairriss, Yeah, appreciate it. Fantastic, Uh John,
Speaker 2: John wants to leave so bad.
Speaker 6: Just like the resident adult show.
Speaker 5: He's just I feel like.
Speaker 2: Maybe a little all right, John, when you're looking at
Speaker 2: the back half of the schedule, of course, boys five
Speaker 2: and three now eight games down, you've got nine to go.
Speaker 2: When it comes to the back half of the roster
Speaker 2: on the defensive side, who needs to continue to step
Speaker 2: up and elevate their game as the year goes along.
Speaker 4: Bell for sure, I mean, like we were just talking
Speaker 4: about before, like he has exceeded expectations for what I mean.
Speaker 4: He showed glimpses in training camp, but we've just seen
Speaker 4: so many guys show glimpses in training camp and then
Speaker 4: once the season starts, they kind of fade a little bit.
Speaker 4: He just keeps Yeah, he just keeps taking it to
Speaker 4: another level.
Speaker 2: So that's crazy. We were talking about it in training camp,
Speaker 2: I mean, similar setup in the U shape right in
Speaker 2: front of the field, and we were talking about Janye Thomas,
Speaker 2: Marquis Bell, and there are so many times where you
Speaker 2: do have those camp names that elevate and then they
Speaker 2: just don't ever show up. And both of those guys
Speaker 2: have lived up to the expectation.
Speaker 4: Jay Ron Curse another one, because we've seen jay Ron
Speaker 4: Curse play really well over the last few years.
Speaker 2: And do you think he's played well this year.
Speaker 4: I don't think he's I don't think he's played up
Speaker 4: to what his standard is and what he was expecting.
Speaker 4: And I say that because, you know, I thought he
Speaker 4: would be the one that would be that would get
Speaker 4: the offseason deal and he never did, And I thought
Speaker 4: that was going to be like a major you know,
Speaker 4: like fire light under him. Yeah, and yeah, he's I
Speaker 4: know he has the ability, but he's the type of
Speaker 4: guy that he needs to kind of take it to
Speaker 4: another level for them to step it up on that
Speaker 4: back end of the defense. I still think this defense,
Speaker 4: if you tell me that they make a deep playoff
Speaker 4: run go to Super Bowl, I would point more to
Speaker 4: the front seven, though I would say that they would
Speaker 4: probably have to play lights out. The D line just
Speaker 4: would have to be rotating in guys where Sam Williams
Speaker 4: making impact, Dorince everybody on top of the d Law
Speaker 4: and Mike. I think that would be what you have
Speaker 4: to do to get there. But if you're talking about
Speaker 4: who needs a step up on the back end, I
Speaker 4: think Jay run Kurrs is pretty high on that list.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, curses my number one in regards to that,
Speaker 5: I would like to see the front line continue to improve,
Speaker 5: but I want Curses to stop do less talking on
Speaker 5: behalf of the team. I want to see him do
Speaker 5: more hitting and more you know, guarding tight ends.
Speaker 4: That's ice reporters like when they talk. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 4: I know, I just I mean, I see a lot
Speaker 4: on Twitter people say the same thing that you're saying.
Speaker 5: Just you know, the talking talking aspect. Just just go
Speaker 5: out there and hit somebody. Go hit somebody. You're a
Speaker 5: big safety, go hit somebody. Make your presence felt. Right now,
Speaker 5: I don't think anybody fears curse. You have no reason
Speaker 5: to fear curse. You know, when you think about big safeties,
Speaker 5: there's there's not a lot of safeties that have come
Speaker 5: across this league that were his size, that that you
Speaker 5: that you can really put in a category of feared.
Speaker 5: You know, there's Cam Chancellor and was my man Sean Taylor.
Speaker 5: There's somebody. Only handful of big guys go hit somebody
Speaker 5: right and and and make teams be fearful for crossing
Speaker 5: the middle of the field. And I don't I haven't
Speaker 5: felt that from him at all, nor have I felt
Speaker 5: like he can totally eliminate a threat at the tight
Speaker 5: end position this.
Speaker 2: Year, sort of how Marquis Bell has been the X factor,
Speaker 2: been an added plus to this defense this year. Would
Speaker 2: you say jay Ron Curse was that X factor for
Speaker 2: dan Quinn's defenses in twenty twenty one and twenty twenty
Speaker 2: two kind of an unsung hero. You knew Michael Parsons
Speaker 2: was going to be him, You knew DeMarcus Lawrence was
Speaker 2: going to have the impact. He did, but jay Ron
Speaker 2: Curse was not expected to be an impact player going
Speaker 2: into that twenty twenty one season, but he was. Do
Speaker 2: you feel like maybe that that new shine, that shimmer
Speaker 2: from jay Ron Curse is just worn off and it's
Speaker 2: a little bit different than still.
Speaker 5: Sometimes guys get comfortable, okay, and guys lose their drive
Speaker 5: and they lose that fire. And a lot of times
Speaker 5: the reason why you see a surge in production in
Speaker 5: contract years is because guys have a they have a why, right,
Speaker 5: and their why is very is high. It's on high,
Speaker 5: highest team, right, Like they're trying to go get that
Speaker 5: think it's their one opportunity. But sometimes when guys get comfortable,
Speaker 5: what's what's their drive? You know now that we can
Speaker 5: list out a whole bunch of things in terms of
Speaker 5: what their why should be, and I think that Curse
Speaker 5: falls into that categor He should have a lot of
Speaker 5: wise but it's just not showing up. I'm not seeing
Speaker 5: it on the field. I can speak from my opinion.
Speaker 5: I'm not seeing I'm seeing more of this than I'm
Speaker 5: seeing him playing. You know, my guys, this my guys,
Speaker 5: we ready. You know you go go just go have
Speaker 5: an impact. Just go have an impact.
Speaker 7: The initial question was somebody on the defense that needs
Speaker 7: to be able to elevate the rest of the season.
Speaker 7: For me, it's Jordan Lewis, like far and beyond. I
Speaker 7: think he found a stride against Philadelphia, and the secondary
Speaker 7: as a whole found a stride against Philadelphia, did a
Speaker 7: really good job limiting those weapons, and Jalen Hurts only
Speaker 7: had just over two hundred yards passing. But when you
Speaker 7: look at the season as a whole and the biggest
Speaker 7: problems that they've had in the secondary, you can point
Speaker 7: at Jordan Lewis and be like, gosh, if he had
Speaker 7: just played a little bit better in this instance or
Speaker 7: that instance, then this would be a different result. Keenan
Speaker 7: Allen his match up against Keenan Allen is the first
Speaker 7: thing that jumps to mind. Obviously that wasn't a loss,
Speaker 7: but you needed to play into that game late because
Speaker 7: of the way Keenan Allen played in that game.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I just felt like Jordan.
Speaker 7: Lewis has been kind of a liability at the at
Speaker 7: nickel at times the season. But at the same time, again,
Speaker 7: I have to give him credit for bouncing back against
Speaker 7: Philadelphia having.
Speaker 6: Some really good moments, but he wasn't perfect.
Speaker 7: When you look at the cornerback room and let's let's
Speaker 7: throw in a healthy Trayvon digs into the equation.
Speaker 6: Let's let's pretend for a second. Unfortunately, you look at Jordan.
Speaker 7: Lewis's the biggest liability and I think it's I think
Speaker 7: it's a healthy margin. So that's something you talk about,
Speaker 7: especially going into next season with the way Deron Bland
Speaker 7: has been able to step up whenever Trayvon dis is
Speaker 7: healthy again, do you re sign Gilmore and put Bland
Speaker 7: in at nickel or do you let Gilmour walk and
Speaker 7: put Bland outside and.
Speaker 6: Still trust Jordan Lewis at that nickel.
Speaker 7: I think that's going to be the biggest thing you
Speaker 7: look at over the course of the next nine weeks
Speaker 7: is do you trust Jordan Lewis to bring him back
Speaker 7: or do you trust stuff On gilmore More to bring
Speaker 7: him back. That's a really interesting like head to head
Speaker 7: that kind of is cooking up.
Speaker 4: I think when you mentioned Jordan Lewis though, the thing
Speaker 4: for me when you and then when you ask about
Speaker 4: the back end of the defense, like, I do think
Speaker 4: they'll be okay if those three can stay healthy Jordan Lewis,
Speaker 4: Duran Bland, Stefanie Gilmore. Where I have concerns is if
Speaker 4: they were to lose one of those guys, whether we're
Speaker 4: talking just for half or for the rest of the season,
Speaker 4: the next guy up, I think is a pretty notable
Speaker 4: drop off there. I think you would have some major
Speaker 4: concerns there. But if you can keep those three guys
Speaker 4: together and and they just keep growing throughout the rest
Speaker 4: of the season, I think they'll be fine as the
Speaker 4: season goes on. I don't think that you need more
Speaker 4: more than them. I think that that is a good
Speaker 4: quality trio. They obvious you'd love to have Trevon Diggs,
Speaker 4: but sure it just if you were to lose one
Speaker 4: of those guys, uh, that's it could look like the
Speaker 4: end of last season.
Speaker 6: To that same point.
Speaker 7: If you lose a guy on the boundary, Gilmore or
Speaker 7: Deron Bland, then you're looking at Naseean Wright or no
Speaker 7: Igbinoghany to fill in on the boundary. If you if
Speaker 7: you lose Jordan Lewis Eth and Nickel, then you're looking
Speaker 7: at Deron swinging in and still having that opportunity. But
Speaker 7: there's also wan Yae Thomas as kind of the wild
Speaker 7: card in that situation. I think he could be able
Speaker 7: to play Nicol. You'd be able to trust him in
Speaker 7: that moment, but he would have to he would have
Speaker 7: to be able to step up.
Speaker 6: And do that.
Speaker 2: Isaiah's otherwise go back to preseason.
Speaker 6: Look what he was able to do at n There
Speaker 6: was a lot offers to check.
Speaker 2: The tape Isiah, where he said, check the tape.
Speaker 5: I love to guess it.
Speaker 2: I mean we saw it last year from from ISRAELMA Israel.
Speaker 2: Mcuamo filled in that corner whenever John john situation down
Speaker 2: the stretch came to fruition and you had to have
Speaker 2: an emergency cornerback. Now he played it in college. Janye
Speaker 2: has always been a safety, so making that switch would
Speaker 2: be a little bit tougher, but definitely not something that
Speaker 2: I think Cowboys fans want to get to. Definitely they
Speaker 2: want Jordan Lewis to continue to stay healthy and then
Speaker 2: step up in that regard and continue to play better
Speaker 2: as the season goes along. You mentioned Keenan Allens. I'll
Speaker 2: see the catch Keenan Allen maybe time ten thousand yards.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that thing was nuts.
Speaker 7: When we talk about top receivers in this league, and
Speaker 7: I feel like it's been like this for like a decade,
Speaker 7: Keenan Allen's name never gets brought up, and it's mister wise.
Speaker 7: It's just a modeling at him and Mike Evans, just
Speaker 7: model of consistency.
Speaker 2: Throughout their career. He made want insane catch. You should
Speaker 2: look it up. I'm sure you. It was insane for
Speaker 2: his buck almost lost his mind in like a non
Speaker 2: factor game, and that takes a lot.
Speaker 4: Let's just say, ad it's super late light out of Philadelpaes.
Speaker 4: I didn't get back here. This is probably the latest
Speaker 4: ever got back here.
Speaker 2: So really, you gotta talk to your days or I mean,
Speaker 2: what was what was?
Speaker 4: We'll talk about it.
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