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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody. Thursday edition of Clay and Buck kicks off now.

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Speaker 1: Play is Traveling Buck. That would be me solo today

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Speaker 1: and plays back tomorrow. So we're gonna rock and roll

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Speaker 1: here for three hours, my friends. A lot to discuss

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Speaker 1: with you, particularly on the criminal justice front. Let me

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Speaker 1: tell you that if there is a theme I can

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Speaker 1: throw out for all of you today, it would be

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Speaker 1: if this was a we had law, jurorsprudence and social

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Speaker 1: thought was our pre law department at Ambers. We could

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Speaker 1: have started out the day or the class today with

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Speaker 1: what is justice exactly? Question mark? Because you have a

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Speaker 1: couple of things all coming together, the Daniel Penny trial,

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Speaker 1: which I want to get into some detail with you

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Speaker 1: on an update on Jesse Smolette. That's right, friends, and

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Speaker 1: it is not a good one for those who believe

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Speaker 1: in justice and sanity. And then also the continued freak

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Speaker 1: out over Matt Gates as the would be Attorney General

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Speaker 1: of the Trump administration to this day I will throw

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Speaker 1: out to this day despite all the things, never charged

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Speaker 1: with any crime of any kind, Congressman Gates, isn't that interesting?

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Speaker 1: Maybe they should start the discussions at least with that,

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Speaker 1: if they were thinking about this in legal terms, you

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Speaker 1: would assume, right, we always have to say alleged, But

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Speaker 1: he's not even really alleged, is he, because no one's

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Speaker 1: ever even brought charges. It's just in the ether. It's

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Speaker 1: just rumor. It's just stuff that people have said to

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Speaker 1: other people, but that no authority has ever actually decided

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Speaker 1: warranted charges, never mind a conviction. I think that that's

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Speaker 1: important to put out there because the way that all

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Speaker 1: these discussions in the Democrat media are going, you would

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Speaker 1: think that somehow this had been adjudicated in a negative

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Speaker 1: way for Congressman Gates, and that is the opposite of

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Speaker 1: the truth, and we like the truth here. So I

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Speaker 1: do want to start, though, if I can, with these

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Speaker 1: two moments in time, with our justice system of Daniel

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Speaker 1: Penny and I have the We're going to do a

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Speaker 1: deep dive, you and me. We're going to do a

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Speaker 1: deep dive into his initial interrogation, okay, and how this

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Speaker 1: went and what we now know about Daniel Penny, and

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Speaker 1: then I will get to what is going to be

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Speaker 1: called now by at least Jesse Smollette and his team,

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Speaker 1: the exoneration of Jesse Smollett. That's right, friends, they've overturned,

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Speaker 1: overturned that preposterous liars conviction. And I want to get

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Speaker 1: into why. I want to get into how this happens,

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Speaker 1: how it undermines our sense that the rule of law

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Speaker 1: real in this country. Just like with the legal immigration,

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Speaker 1: the lawlesses all around us, builds up and creates a perception,

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Speaker 1: creates a broad feeling that this is now just a system,

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Speaker 1: meaning our legal system through which power is exercised instead

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Speaker 1: of justice, and that includes racial justice, social justice. All

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Speaker 1: the different forms that they say, no, no, no, there

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Speaker 1: is only justice. All those other things are politicized versions,

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Speaker 1: are political notions. We'll get into this though. Right justice

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Speaker 1: as a concept, it's either just or it is not.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to have these modifiers. But there's a

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Speaker 1: reason why they do that. Let me get back into

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Speaker 1: Daniel Penny. As you know, part of my story is

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Speaker 1: I grew up in the worst version of New York

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Speaker 1: being broken into, people are being sexually assaulted, and nonprecedented

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Speaker 1: numbers something like twenty two hundred murders. When I'm in uh,

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Speaker 1: And that's basically what you do. You know what a

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Speaker 1: point zero, and this so called defund police and racial

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Speaker 1: justice movement all tied in together. Abolish prisons, by the way,

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Speaker 1: has to be racially balanced. I don't view it that way.

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Speaker 1: Any person can commit a crime and should be held

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Speaker 1: New York City is over ninety percent black and Hispanic.

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Speaker 1: That has been the case as long as I have

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Speaker 1: the number. Okay, So they say, well, that's unfair. There

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Speaker 1: must be a systemic racism. There must be something that

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Speaker 1: Abolish prisons, defund police less enforcement. Guess what happens. We've

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Speaker 1: seen what happens. And in New York City specifically, they've

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Speaker 1: seen this major uptick, and they'll play games with these numbers. Oh,

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Speaker 1: but why are we going backwards? What possible rationale could

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Speaker 1: was a change in political will. Now enter Daniel Penny

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Speaker 1: and what happened here. I watched the whole interrogation tape

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Speaker 1: facing right now manslaughter charges in your involuntary manslaughter charges

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Speaker 1: I will say, first and foremost, you hear this guy,

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Speaker 1: and he's a well intentioned person. He's a marine, he's trying.

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Speaker 1: He views himself because of his training, because of who

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Speaker 1: why is this guy walking around the streets? Oh, you know,

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Speaker 1: social justice can't lock him up? Why? Oh that's the

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Speaker 1: Democrats that one Daniel Penny steps in. Now here's the

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Speaker 1: frustrating because I think Daniel Penny's a young guy. You know,

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Speaker 1: Their job is to just find the purpse, get all

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Speaker 1: They're not on his team. He sat down with them.

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Speaker 1: This is the interrogation, the eight minute long interrogation, and

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Speaker 1: they they they very quickly established rapport. You had a

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Speaker 1: This is out of the one oh one playbook. Hey,

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Speaker 1: we're all buddies here, talk to us without a lawyer.

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Speaker 2: Play its Oh nice, I said before gone, what you're

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Speaker 1: Oh cool, she got your weapons with I was not military,

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Speaker 1: so I don't know what that stuff. That's like another

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Speaker 2: Okay, there you goes there ninety six, two thousands.

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Speaker 1: Go up queens as well, fast, nice fist nice.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, listen to you. So we want to talk to

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Speaker 4: Sure thing, you're sitting around him and being cooperative.

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Speaker 1: It's a trap and you just see him walking right

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Speaker 1: and then he started talking, don't talk to law enforcement

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Speaker 1: That's how they got Martha Stewart, by the way, lying

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Speaker 1: James Comy. James Comy, he's the one who decided she

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Speaker 1: James Colemey showed us who he was with that, and

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Speaker 1: it only got worse with Trump. These detectives have laid

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Speaker 1: And it's heartbreaking because this guy's a marine who's trying

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Speaker 3: his demeanor, they don't like him. That matters a tremendous amount.

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Speaker 3: So Gates threw it in today, but he did so

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Speaker 3: under pressure from the Trump administration. They didn't want to

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Speaker 3: take any more heat. Same thing will happen with Hagseeth

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Speaker 3: and Bobby Kennedy Junior. What Washington wants is stability and

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Speaker 3: calm at this point, and that's a good thing. They

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Speaker 3: to come down. They don't want side shows, and it

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Speaker 3: might not be fair to these three individuals. Certainly, Matt

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Speaker 3: Gates has been slimed and smeared, and the Justice Department

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Speaker 3: took a hard look at it and did not indict him.

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Speaker 3: And believe me, they would have had to be anything there.

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Speaker 1: That's my bill. Can I just jump in on that.

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Speaker 1: That's been my thing all along is if people keep

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Speaker 1: saying there's so much evidence, there's so much evidence, no charges.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not even we're saying there were charges

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Speaker 1: and not a conviction, no charges at all. To me,

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Speaker 1: that's got to indicate that they didn't think there was

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Speaker 1: a strong case, because we're talking about serious stuff. But

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Speaker 1: why would Trump? Did Trump miscount? Do you believe Trump

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Speaker 1: fundamentally miscalculated or is this a move to get the

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Speaker 1: to basically light all the libs hair on fire at

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Speaker 1: once inside a DOJ and elsewhere and now turn around

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Speaker 1: and say Okay, I bet you'll find my next nominee

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Speaker 1: is very reasonable.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that was a conspiracy. I think that

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Speaker 3: Trump wanted to give the middle finger to a lot

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Speaker 3: of people and did it through nominating Gates and the others. Uh.

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Speaker 3: He's an emotional man. He's been through an unbelievable amount.

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Speaker 3: I keep saying that he's getting passive retribution. He doesn't

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Speaker 3: have to do this. Look at MSNBC. It's gone vaporized and.

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Speaker 1: He's basically destroyed CNN and MSNBC, right, I mean, those

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Speaker 1: brands will never be what they were sing.

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Speaker 3: I'll hang on. MSNBC is gone. Yeah, And if you

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Speaker 3: read the message of the day on Bill O'Reilly dot com,

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Speaker 3: I explain why. But getting back to president like Trump,

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Speaker 3: he often reacts emotionally day to day and that usually

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Speaker 3: winds up hurting him. I think Pam Bondy will be

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Speaker 3: the next nominee and she'll sail through. But then he's

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Speaker 3: going to have to reevaluate Defense and Health and Human

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Speaker 3: Services because those two guys are not going to make it.

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Speaker 1: Why as an RFK junior, is RFK junior not going

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Speaker 1: to make it? In your mind? For reasons that could

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Speaker 1: be construc rude as reasonable or is he not going

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Speaker 1: to make it because Big Pharmas still calls the shots,

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Speaker 1: even on the Republican side, and he's a threat to

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Speaker 1: too much money. Where's it a combination?

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Speaker 3: Do you consider me a reasonable man?

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Speaker 1: That's why I'm asking you for the reasonableness test?

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Speaker 3: All right? So you consider me a reasonable man, and

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Speaker 3: that's your reputation book. I hope you understand that able,

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Speaker 3: all right. I would not vote for Robert Kennedy Junior

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Speaker 3: far why because of his conspiracy theories in the past.

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Speaker 3: I believe he's an opportunist. I think he would turn

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Speaker 3: on Trump very very quickly, and I just don't like

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Speaker 3: the measure of the man.

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Speaker 1: Can I tell you, Bill, I know you know you

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Speaker 1: join us frequently. Appreciate that if you if you were

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Speaker 1: familiar with the way this has gone on the show.

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Speaker 1: Clay has been a big believer in RFK Junior. I

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Speaker 1: have been incredibly skeptic. Clay's not here today to give

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Speaker 1: that point of view, so I'm just bringing this to

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Speaker 1: the audience's attention. Usually he's very I think RFK has

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Speaker 1: changed and he's converted, and he's and I'm like, as

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Speaker 1: guy's a Democrat. Can't trust him like I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I just I wouldn't do.

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Speaker 3: A party designation on it myself. And Clay might be right,

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Speaker 3: he might be a changed man, but I can't take

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Speaker 3: that chance if I'm a senator. Yeah, any more qualified

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Speaker 3: people to go up against big Pharma. Look, Kennedy has

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Speaker 3: an excellent point of view on food. Food is killing Americans.

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Speaker 3: We're being deceived by these food companies. The sugar and

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Speaker 3: the artificial crap that we are putting into our bodies

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Speaker 3: is insane. The federal government has an absolute obligation, just

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Speaker 3: as they did with tobacco, to make everybody understand that

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Speaker 3: Kennedy is one hundred percent right, But it's his overall

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Speaker 3: view of the world that it's a very giant conspiracy place.

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Speaker 3: I can't give that kind kind of a point of

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Speaker 3: view power if I'm senator.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of Bill O'Riley, Confronting the President's is his latest bestseller.

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Speaker 1: I want to switch switch gears for a second because

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Speaker 1: this Daniel Penny case playing out in New York City

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Speaker 1: right now, I'm I'm worried we're going to have a

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Speaker 1: reporter from the courtroom who's been there every day with

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Speaker 1: us tomorrow from New York Post. Does great work. I'm

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Speaker 1: hearing from writing of reading her writing and hearing from

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Speaker 1: her and others that this is looking it's looking a

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Speaker 1: little bit bleak right now for Penny based on some

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Speaker 1: of the testimony and some of the way this is going.

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Speaker 1: How are you seeing this and what do you how

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Speaker 1: do you view the overall issues? This is a political

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Speaker 1: issue now, I mean, this is going to be something

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Speaker 1: that a lot of people across the country. This is

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Speaker 1: not a local crime story. How do you see it

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Speaker 1: playing out?

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Speaker 3: I don't believe mister Penny will ever go to prison.

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Speaker 3: I think there'll be a hung jury will get thrown out.

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Speaker 3: His really was on radio New York Radio today. Didn't

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Speaker 3: him concerned?

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Speaker 1: Wow?

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Speaker 3: Okay, all defense lawyer wasn't you know? I didn't have

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Speaker 3: ad it. He was very very calm. It is in

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Speaker 3: New York City jury. But to me, there's so much

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Speaker 3: reasonable doubt in this case, so much testimony in his favor,

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Speaker 3: that any appeals court would overturn any conviction.

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Speaker 1: In my opinion, I certainly look, I certainly hope so

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Speaker 1: I've I've been concerned because you know, they're going very

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Speaker 1: much with uh. The prosecution has been saying, oh, look,

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Speaker 1: we don't have a problem with him stepping in to

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Speaker 1: defend people and even using force. It's just he went

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Speaker 1: he held him too long around the throat. Basically. Well,

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Speaker 1: of course, you know, I mean, you don't have to

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Speaker 1: convince me.

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Speaker 3: Bill.

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Speaker 1: If I was on that jury, or if I was

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Speaker 1: the prosecutor, it never even would have been brought, right,

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Speaker 1: But I'm worried about what that New York jury is

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Speaker 1: going to do. You sound pretty confident, not certain, obviously

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Speaker 1: confident that there's enough reasonable doubt you get to at

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Speaker 1: least a hung jury.

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Speaker 3: Or a conviction will quickly overturned down appeal. Yeah. So

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Speaker 3: you know, look, all I can do is put together

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Speaker 3: my analysis based on what I see and hear. And

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Speaker 3: I listened to Penny's lawyer quite carefully this morning, and

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Speaker 3: I did not hear any trepidation.

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Speaker 1: And just one more for you, Jesse Smollette, Illinois State

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court has flipped that that conviction it's gone now right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, they have overturned it. It is he Jusse

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Speaker 1: Smollette is walking around smiling and no, you know now,

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Speaker 1: now he has one in court. I believe in friends

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Speaker 1: of mine who are lawyers agree with me. They've already

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Speaker 1: reached out to me. He's going to sue the state

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Speaker 1: of Illinois now, which is just even adding insult to injury.

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Speaker 1: How did this happen?

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Speaker 3: Smallllett is guilty. He tried to falsely gin up a controversy.

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Speaker 3: His life is over. He's not going to be an

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Speaker 3: actor anymore. He's not going to do anything. He can

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Speaker 3: wander around say, sue whatever he wants. I think this

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Speaker 3: will quickly disappear. You might be right. He might get

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Speaker 3: some lawyers together to try to sue the state Illinois.

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Speaker 3: He'll lose, but in the totality of the case, he

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Speaker 1: some calls because we haven't gotten many calls today. We

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Speaker 1: Eight hundred two A two two eight eight two. How

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Speaker 1: all the stuff that we are seeing right now. I

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Speaker 1: it's Trump's call currently. Christopher rais the FBI director. It's

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Speaker 1: believed he would resign before Trump would come into office.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that will happen. Things are going

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Speaker 1: to be changing here quite clearly so. And the Matt

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Speaker 1: why we were all sitting here saying well, not we

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Speaker 1: he deserves process and he should have his say before

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Speaker 1: the Senate. And if Trump thinks this is the guy

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Speaker 1: let's hear what he has to say, and now he's out. Okay,

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Speaker 1: not say it's the first time, but it's uh, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, it doesn't something doesn't smell right unless this

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Speaker 1: was the plan all along. And it's just here's what

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Speaker 1: I can say, pretty for the who who for the

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Speaker 1: consensus about DC matters. However, you wanted to find that

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Speaker 1: any nominee for any senior level government position under the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration is going to be less controversial than that Gates.

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Speaker 1: That is the truth anybody. I mean, that's like realistically,

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Speaker 1: in play, you will not find somebody who is gonna

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Speaker 1: get libs. I think more upset the RFK junior thing.

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Speaker 1: I thought Bill O'Reilly was very interesting on this at

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Speaker 1: just saying you know that he he does you know Bill,

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Speaker 1: Bill was you know, not not in the pro RFK

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Speaker 1: junior running the show camp over at h HHS. Doesn't

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Speaker 1: think he's gonna get through the Senate either, which is interesting.

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Speaker 1: He said, I think he did. Guys, did he say

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Speaker 1: the word opportunist or am I is that somebody else

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Speaker 1: on our cutsheet that said it. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: misquote Bill. I think he felt like he was being

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Speaker 1: opportunistic RFK Junior. I think, I think that's what he

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Speaker 1: said A lot of words here on the show, so

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Speaker 1: I can't always remember absolutely everything. And then Pete Hegsath,

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Speaker 1: coming out again. There's a lot of heat. And there's

643
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Speaker 1: the part of us that all wants to say, well,

644
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Speaker 1: they shouldn't be able to you know, now you get

645
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Speaker 1: caught in this game up. Should they be able to

646
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Speaker 1: submarine torpedo all torpedoes, I guess come from No, Actually,

647
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: submarines aren't the only things that have torpedoes, right, Ships

648
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: can have torpedoes, I think anyway, torpedo a nomination to

649
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 1: torpedo a nomination based on an allegation, right, not on

650
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: an adjudicated fact, based on an allegation. You got understand

651
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: A lot of us are very uncomfortable with that because

652
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: of what we saw with Cavin at all, where it

653
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: was non adjudicated and nonsensical. The allegations against Kavanaugh were

654
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: both non adjudicated and nonsensical, absurd, all of them. Okay,

655
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Speaker 1: I heard it all out. I saw I heard all

656
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: the evidence and the testimony. I never that there was

657
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: no evidence there was just some crazy lady who was

658
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: trying to be a hero of the left, and then

659
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: a couple of other crazy ladies too, which they always

660
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Speaker 1: try to leave those ones out. Yeah, isn't that interesting? Yeah, Bill, Yeah,

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00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: Bill said, I'm a team again. I never want to misquote.

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Speaker 1: I guess that we have. Bill said that RFK Junior

663
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: seems like an opportunist to him. I mean, that's uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'll just say it. You know, not everyone

665
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Speaker 1: sold on RFK Junior. And you know, I'm not going

666
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: to walk back from my uh my trepidation there, my

667
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: concerns about I agree with him on a lot of

668
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: the food stuff. Yeah, but is he the guy to

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Speaker 1: run AJHS. I think it's worth looking at this closely.

670
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: And you know, you're starting to look at some of

671
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: these picks and you're wondering what really is the method

672
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: to the madness if it is madness in the first place.

673
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's all going to be very interesting, my friends.

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Speaker 1: As this continues, we shall have to follow it closely.

675
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: We shall have to look at where the president elect

676
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: takes all of this. And I don't think we want

677
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Speaker 1: to have unnecessary own goals. Here we go. We got

678
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: a talkback here from San Antonio listener Luis. He's saying,

679
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: Ken Paxton for a g this is d D play it.

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00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 4: Attorney General Ken Paxton. He's got a long track record

681
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Speaker 4: of fighting the government and secure in the Texas borders.

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Speaker 1: Ken Paxson, outstanding pick. Ken Paxon will make a lot

683
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: of sense to me. Attorney General of Texas. Clearly qualified.

684
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: He's already attorney general of the second largest state. So

685
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: you know, you could see how that would It's not

686
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: a difficult leap to think that he would be in

687
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,479
Speaker 1: that He would be a good choice for that role.

688
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: I think he's certainly aligned with the Trump agenda when

689
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 1: it comes to the cleaning up the border issue and

690
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: securing the border. Let's take some calls here too. Uh

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Speaker 1: Duff from Virginia. Duff, what have you got for us? Yes,

692
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: sir Cash Battel, what about him?

693
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 4: Hotel for Cash Battal for Attorney General Dan Bonjo to

694
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 4: head the FBI and Tiger Service on home land security

695
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 4: and give Tulsi all the intelligence apparatus.

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Speaker 3: Cash.

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Speaker 4: I don't have.

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Speaker 1: Anything on him, Cash, Uh, you know, and I always

699
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Speaker 1: thank you for the call. I always like to tell

700
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Speaker 1: you this. I consider Cash your friend. He's a good man.

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00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: UH known him for years. I like Cash. I think

702
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: he'd be great. I've said it before, I've said again,

703
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: I'm not impartial, because you know, I I know Cash

704
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: a bit, so there's that, But I really do as

705
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Speaker 1: objective as I can be. I think that he'd be

706
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: great in the role at FBI. And I'm not the

707
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Speaker 1: A lot of people are saying that, a lot of

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Speaker 1: people who I think have very informed opinions on this

709
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: and on the kind of platform where they can get

710
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Speaker 1: the word out there. Dan Bongino is a is a

711
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 1: great guy, a patriot work at secret service. I think

712
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: he'd be phenomenal. People are I don't know if he's

713
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: even considering the job. I think he'd be phenomenal in

714
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Speaker 1: the job, uh and would do great service to the country.

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00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: And uh, you don't have to worry about anybody backing

716
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Speaker 1: him into a corner. He would, he would get it done.

717
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Speaker 1: And then who is the third the third name? Oh,

718
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Speaker 1: Tulsi Gabbart. You guys know, I like I like Tulsi.

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Speaker 1: I think she's very I think she's a fundamentally good person. Uh,

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Speaker 1: to the degree that you can assess that based on

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Speaker 1: your kind of public interactions with somebody. But I think

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Speaker 1: that I think her heart's in the right place. I

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Speaker 1: don't I don't mean that in a condescending way. I

724
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: really mean that. I think that she has a love

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Speaker 1: of the country. I think she's seen what's become of

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00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: the Democrat Party. I think that her conversion to the

727
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: right is real. I don't think it's opper tunism. I

728
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: can tell you that the intelligence agencies are far more wiley, cunning,

729
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 1: good at just just sort of smothering you with you know,

730
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Speaker 1: the bureaucratic, slow moving, everything has to be signed off

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Speaker 1: in a million ways. It's she's taken on quite a

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Speaker 1: beast with that and does not have any background in it.

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Speaker 1: Does not have a background, And that's fair to say, Yes,

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Speaker 1: she has a background the military. Let me tell you

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00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 1: anybody who's worked in the CIA or the intelligence community.

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Speaker 1: They'll say, yeah, that's the military. The intelligence community is

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00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: a whole, its own ball of axe, its own thing.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's yeah, that's going to be a

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00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: challenge for her. So again, I hope she rises to

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Speaker 1: that challenge, and I have faith that she will. But

741
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: it's not going to be easy at all. Look I

742
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 1: think Elon Musk is one of the most impressive people, certainly,

743
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Speaker 1: I think probably the most impressive person in corporate America

744
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 1: who exists. Right. What he has done with his companies

745
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: is absolutely incredible and in the truest sense of that

746
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: word hard to believe. The accomplishments that he has had

747
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: with SpaceX, with Tesla, I mean, the boring company buying Twitter,

748
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 1: turning into X. I mean, there's the things he has

749
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: done are remarkable and changing, not just America, but really changing,

750
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Speaker 1: I think the future destiny of the human species, at

751
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: least when we're talking about being multiplanetary, and he when

752
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: he talks about that, notice no one's laughing. He's very

753
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: serious because it is serious, because he's going to get

754
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: us to Mars. I mean, that's the mission, right, That's

755
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: what's even Elon Musk. I worry about his ability to

756
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: tame the Federal apparatus right now, but it's you know,

757
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: it's like the dragon that's terrorizing the villagers. You know,

758
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: where we're sending with Elon. You know, you're sending your

759
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: best night. You know. I'm a big fan of like

760
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 1: old tales from you know, King Arthur and the Legends

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00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: and all that. Uh, you know, you're sending your best

762
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: knight to go to go slay the dragon, and the

763
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: dragon in this case is a massive, bloated federal bureaucracy.

764
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Speaker 1: But according to Dragon breathed some fire and got some

765
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,919
Speaker 1: big teeth. It's not going to be easy at all,

766
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Speaker 1: even for Elon and for Vivek, who you know is

767
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: very good at speaking about things, and I am very

768
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 1: hopeful that he will be able to do uh good

769
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: work there and and and take it take it down right.

770
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Speaker 1: But they're taking on a massive project, a massive project

771
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Speaker 1: that is not going to be easy in the least.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm I'm just trying to be honest with

773
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Speaker 1: you guys, because I'm already seeing some of these uh,

774
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: some of these challenges come together in ways where you know,

775
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: we're very enthusiastic. There was that kind of high of

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00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: the Trump win and now it's okay, Well, what's this

777
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 1: really going to get into. Is Jay from Ohio still

778
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: with us?

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Speaker 3: Guys?

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Speaker 1: I want to take this call Jay in Dayton, Ohio.

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Speaker 1: J what have you got for us?

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Speaker 3: Hey?

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Speaker 5: Megaddo's for our lost friend Rush been listening for a.

784
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Speaker 3: Long long time.

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Speaker 5: Hey, I just think the I want to talk FBI,

786
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 5: but in context of what you've been discussing, as you know,

787
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Speaker 5: if Trump keeps putting heads of departments in place, like

788
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Speaker 5: you know, Vince McMahon's wife is now running the Department

789
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Speaker 5: of Education, do you think Musk and Vivic can go

790
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 5: after that now and say why does it? Why should

791
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 5: it exist? Same thing with FBI thirty five thousand employees

792
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 5: stood up by a tyrant back in the thirties. It's

793
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 5: only been around for about a third of our country's history.

794
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 5: Why not we have state police at all fifty states.

795
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 5: We have a chance here of people. But if we

796
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Speaker 5: appoint somebody to be the head of the FBI, how

797
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 5: is the dog you're going to go after that? How

798
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Speaker 5: is how is Elon and Vivek going to go take

799
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Speaker 5: those things out? So I think we're getting the car

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Speaker 5: tohead the horse and better figure out what agencies need

801
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 5: to go away before we start putting people in charge

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Speaker 5: of them.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's interesting, interesting points here, So I'll give you

804
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: a few things. First of all, if we could, the

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00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: FBI is just one of many now federal agencies that

806
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: have law enforcement authority as we know, right, and we

807
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: got a whole law Enforcement Agency for alcohol, tobacco, firearms,

808
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: and explosives. Like, wait, well isn't the FBI able to

809
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Speaker 1: enforce all those laws? What we got a drug enforcement administration?

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00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 1: Well you can't the FBI. Notice how it just spirals

811
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Speaker 1: off into all these other entities as well. It's so

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00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: much bigger than just one failing bureaucracy. And I know

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00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: a lot of you say I get this. I get

814
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Speaker 1: this from people where they'll write in, well, why aren't

815
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Speaker 1: there more whistleblowers. I was a low level guy at

816
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Speaker 1: the CIA. I was working on al Qaeda. My day

817
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Speaker 1: to day was just trying to figure out where's al Qaida?

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Speaker 1: How do we figure out where they are? So we

819
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Speaker 1: can tell you know, special forces, we can tell you know,

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Speaker 1: Tier one operators, we can speak to you know, we

821
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Speaker 1: can speak to Jaysack and you know whatever, find the

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Speaker 1: bad guys? Right, the whole game you've all seen zero

823
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Speaker 1: Dark Thorty trying to play find the bad guys. I

824
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Speaker 1: don't know what kind of games the director was playing.

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Speaker 1: I had no access to that. So we say whistleblower.

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Speaker 1: Now you're talking about whistleblowers that would have to be

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Speaker 1: in that ring of connectivity to the top of the

828
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Speaker 1: entity that are doing the political stuff. Right. You know,

829
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Speaker 1: if you're at the FBI and you're going to weigh

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Speaker 1: in on the Komi Struck page Russia collusion stuff, you'd

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Speaker 1: have to be most likely, you know, based in either

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Speaker 1: New York or the New York Officer DC office, depending,

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Speaker 1: You'd have to be senior enough that you knew, you know,

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Speaker 1: what's going on. And then you have to be willing

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Speaker 1: to go up against the beast. And they have a

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Speaker 1: lot the bureaucracy. Let me tell you, when you speak

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Speaker 1: out against the bureaucracy, it becomes nimble and vicious, this

838
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Speaker 1: big sort of lethargic like you know, it's all the

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Speaker 1: bureaucracy is like a grizzly bear that's about to hibernate

840
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: after gorging for months, right until somebody from within says

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Speaker 1: something and then all of a sudden, the claws come

842
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: out and this thing is a beast, and you're done.

843
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: So it's a question of how many people know, how

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Speaker 1: many people have access, how many people are willing to,

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Speaker 1: you know, risk their career, maybe even risk their freedom,

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Speaker 1: depending So it's not as simple as, oh, there's one

847
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Speaker 1: hundred thousand people plus who work in the DJ Why

848
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Speaker 1: haven't you know more of them? Because most of them

849
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Speaker 1: are like dealing with you know, people who are you know,

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Speaker 1: working with drug cartels and committing you know, massive financial

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Speaker 1: frauds against people. And that's what the most of the

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Speaker 1: work is a lot of it's drugs, a lot of

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Speaker 1: want to speak to about the Preborn Network of Clinics.

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Speaker 1: Preborn is doing incredible work day in and day out.

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Speaker 1: This is a nonprofit with a very straightforward mission saving

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Speaker 1: the lives of as many unborn babies as possible. And

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Speaker 1: here's how they do it by offering love and support

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Speaker 1: Let the technician just show you, truly show you. Forget

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Speaker 1: about the propaganda, forget about what plant PARENTOD has planned

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Speaker 1: parenthood says, Let the technician show you with the ultrasound

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Speaker 1: And once that happens so often, it's just easy for

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Speaker 1: Preborn needs your help. This is where the pro life

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Speaker 1: just twenty eight dollars, So if you can donate that amount,

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Speaker 1: you'll be contributing to saving a life of an unborn

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