1 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: Luteus. If it doesn't work, you're just not using enough. 2 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: You're listening to soft Reap Radio Special operations, military news 3 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: and straight talk with the guys and the community. Hey, 4 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: what's going on? This is rad your host for soft 5 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: rep Radio. And I have a special guest today. I 6 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: have Peter Schenkel. Now, Peter has written a book kind 7 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: of talking about you know, what happened about sixty eight 8 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: years ago with the New Deal and Franklin Delano Roosevelt 9 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: and you know, bipartisanship. And he's written a book extensively 10 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: about that. And we're going to talk to him about 11 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: the pastor eating itself today or what he thinks is 12 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 1: going on based off of his knowledge of you know, 13 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 1: the New Deal. So Peter, welcome to Software Radio. Great 14 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: to be here, Red, thanks very much for having me. Now, 15 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: will you tell me the name of your book. The 16 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: name of the book is Uniting America. How FDR and 17 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: Henry Stimpson brought Democrats and Republicans together together to win 18 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,839 Speaker 1: World War Two. That's the book, and I'm very excited 19 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: to talk to you about it today. Well, I would 20 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: like to just dive into this. You know, we hear 21 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: about today's politics. So there's a new deal being out there, 22 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 1: you know, and we hear about people talking about the 23 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: new Deal being brought back up today. Is this being 24 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: based off of kind of like the new Deal of 25 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: the old days with Fdr and Henry Stimpson, where they're 26 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: trying to bring bipartisanship together and you know, have this 27 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: unity of you know, the House, the Senate, to Congress, everybody, 28 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: all the different executive levels of branches. You know, it's 29 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: really interesting. In today's world, we tend to think of 30 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: bipartisanship taking place mostly in Congress when members of the 31 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: two parties vote together. What happened in was that President 32 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: Franklin Roosevelt, who was of course a Democrat, appointed two 33 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 1: very prominent Republicans to his cabinet, and so they were 34 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: in the executive branch, and they worked together as a 35 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 1: team Fdr. Henry Stimpson and Frank Knox, who was Secretary 36 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: of Navy for five years, to bring the country together 37 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: and win the war. They also worked across and built 38 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: by partnership in Congress. But the real center of this 39 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: bipartisan alliance was in the executive branch, which is somewhat unusual. 40 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: It's actually very unusual. I mean, we have had bipartisan appointments. 41 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: Throughout the subsequent decades, there have been members of the 42 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: opposing party appointed in various similar austration. President Trump did none, 43 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: President Biden has done none. But by and large, by 44 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: partisanship for the last eighty years has been in the 45 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: legislative branch in Congress. But this was a very unusual 46 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: arrangement and it led to remarkable success for the country 47 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 1: and for the world, defending democracy against fascism. I wrote 48 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: this book because I believe it provides an incredible example 49 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: of how Americans can come together, can reach across the 50 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: political divide, can have thoughtful debates and hand long debates 51 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: and arguments, and for fierce disputes and still come out 52 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: the other side, reaching agreement and finding a way forward. 53 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: That is the best for democracy and for the country. 54 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: So what you're saying is we can come together for 55 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: a common goal and then achieve it. If we can 56 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: come exactly shocking, isn't it. That would be an amazing 57 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: thing to happen. You know, if everybody can just kind 58 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: of set down the flagpoles and just look at what 59 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: the real goal is here and just you know, get 60 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,119 Speaker 1: it between the uprights. Okay, let's just kick it right through, 61 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: right laces out. I don't know whatever analogy we gotta use, 62 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 1: but you know, let's just all come together. You know, 63 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 1: I don't have a problem. Like let's say President Biden 64 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: wanted to bring somebody who was a Republican who was 65 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 1: a war chief, like you know Franklin FDR did when 66 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: he brought in the Secretary of Defense I think or 67 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: war and made him the Secretary of War who was 68 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: a Republican, to help him and to bring in like, hey, 69 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: I'm working with the president. He's a Democrat, I'm a Republican, 70 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: and we're fighting fascism together exactly right. And what's interesting 71 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: is that President Biden, of course, is a huge fan 72 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: of FDR, and he has preached by partisanship, the benefits 73 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: of by partnership, and he's called for unity. So he's 74 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 1: interested in this, very interested in achieving this goal. But 75 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: he hasn't taken this step that FDR did, which was 76 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: to appoint a Republican two important positions in his cabinet. 77 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: And on that I'll just note that the Secretary of War, 78 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: the position that no longer exists, was tremendously important in 79 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: the nineteen forties and then for most of US history, 80 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: and that position later became an essence Secretary of Defense 81 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: what we call Secretary of Defense, which oversees the entire 82 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 1: military establishment in the United States. But so FDR was 83 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 1: giving a Republican a very important spot in his cabinet 84 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: and in the executive branch. He also, Henry Stimpson, had 85 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: been the Secretary of State under FDR Republican predecessor Herbert Hoover, 86 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 1: So this was not just a nobody and no name flunky. 87 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,359 Speaker 1: This is a Republican who had tremendous respect in the 88 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: United States. In fact, he was very close to the 89 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: Republican president Theyodore Roosevelt, and he also served as Secretary 90 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 1: of War. Thirty years before he became an under FDR. 91 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: He served as Secretary of War under President Taft, also 92 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: a Republican. So this was a very capable man with 93 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 1: many decades as a Wall Street lawyer in between his 94 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 1: service and the government. But he was a very prominent Republican. 95 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: The other chief appointment in this bipartisan alliance was Frank Knox, 96 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: who also was a supporter of Republican President Theyodore Roosevelt, 97 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: and he had been a newspaper reporter, and most significantly, 98 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: he was the Republican Party's vice presidential nominee in nine six, 99 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: So just four years before Franklin Roosevelt appointed him to 100 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: be the Secretary of Navy, he had been going around 101 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: the country savagely attacking Franklin Roosevelt. He was a good 102 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: opponent of the New Deal. He thought, as many Republicans did, 103 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: They thought that FDR was ruining the economy. A socialist. 104 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: He created this program that gave everybody retirement checks. It's 105 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: called socialistic, huh. He made it, think right. He extended 106 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: the rights of workers to form labor unions. It was 107 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: an epic struggle in US society, and he was basically 108 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: accused of being a socialist, a Marxist, you name it. That. 109 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: The Republican hatred for FDR was extreme, and Frank Knox 110 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: was one of its chief acolytes of that campaign against FDR. 111 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,679 Speaker 1: So for FDR in ninety to turn to Frank Knox 112 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: and Henry Stimpson, both of whom had repeatedly criticized him publicly, 113 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: that's a sign that FDR was ready to make a 114 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: bold move to achieve unity in the United States and 115 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: to defend democracy and American democracy from the rise of fascism. 116 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: That's what led him to do that. And the reason 117 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: there is that the Republican Party and the Democratic Party 118 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: were both split. There are isolationists in both parties who 119 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: didn't want to do anything or wanted to government to 120 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: do very little to prepare for the oncoming war with Hitler, 121 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: whereas FDR and some members of both parties wanted to 122 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: take actions to prepare the nation and to defend the 123 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: nation against fascism. And so by bringing the Republicans into 124 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: his cabinet, FDR was saying, our nation needs to rally 125 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: behind this defensive democracy and and I want all those 126 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: Republicans who believe in defending democracy to come over and 127 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: join me in that effort. In the Republicans at the 128 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: time was infuriated. This is June when he made the appointment, 129 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: and they tried to throw Simpson and Knox out of 130 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: the party. They said they don't speak for the party, 131 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: They're only doing it for themselves. Some call them traders 132 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: to the party. Others said, this is not an alliance 133 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: of the Republican Party with FDR, it's just these two guys. 134 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,719 Speaker 1: Let them do what they want, but it caused a 135 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: huge uproar, but the public and polling showed this at 136 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: the time, the public embraced this. They recognized that it 137 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: was time to bring the country to prepare to defend 138 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: democracy and to try to make these two parties work together. 139 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: And so this move was broadly praised by the public. Yeah, 140 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 1: I think I'm going to speak two Republicans that came 141 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: on to the Democratic side of the President of FDR 142 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 1: to say, you know, if not us, then who. Okay, 143 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: So if we don't say okay, let's try this, let's 144 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: do this. You know, this is something my dad taught 145 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: me a long time ago. I was nervous about running 146 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: a team and all these different things, and I said, Dad, 147 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: he said Aaron. I said yeah, He's like, well, if 148 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: not you, then who. And I was like, well, I 149 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: guess that just kind of settles it right there. So 150 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: I bet these guys were like, we need to step 151 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: up to the plate for the country, for the red, 152 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: white and blue flag that we all sleep under every 153 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: single night, and come to an agreement to say we're 154 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: gonna have to talk to each other and figure out 155 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: our differences from the executive, legislative you know, all the 156 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: branches of government to win against fascism, or else we'd 157 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: be speaking another language right now, exactly right. And a 158 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: lot of just as in making or a lot of 159 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: discussion went into this, chiefly between Knox and FDR about 160 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: the strategy, about how to do it and when to 161 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: do it, and who should be in the cabinet, and 162 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: I detail a lot of that in the book. How 163 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: this all played out and the public reaction is in 164 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: my mind, amazing story about American history. And of course, 165 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: mind you that this happened in June of nine, so 166 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: the attack on Pearl Harbor wouldn't happen for another seventeen 167 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: months or eighteen months, so that attack really ended the 168 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: debate over isolationism and brought America into the war. Of course, 169 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: FDR delivered is you know yesterday is a date of 170 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: infamy speech. January seven is date of infamy, will live forever. 171 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: The actual joining of the Republicans with FDR began long 172 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: before the attack on Pearl Harbor, So it's not an 173 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: easy decision. You know, the parties were still very divided, 174 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: so this was a very clear decision to build an 175 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: alliance with the Democratic president long before the country was 176 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: at war. So you know, when an actual war begins, 177 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: it's kind of natural for the parties to pull together, right, everybody, 178 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 1: you know where we've been attacked. Let's defend ourselves. We'll 179 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: put our disputes aside. Well, this was long before that, 180 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: and they had to make a decision two throw off 181 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: their party allegiance. Although they still contended by the way 182 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: that they were Republicans. They said they were Republicans, they 183 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: were in fact Republicans, and many of them went on 184 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: to very important careers as Republican figures. But they said 185 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: we're going to join with the Democratic president. And it 186 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:53,319 Speaker 1: goes beyond Stimpson and FDR. There were other significant Republicans. 187 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: For example, Wendell Wilkie, who was the Republican candidate for 188 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: president in nineteen forty, built an alliance with FDR later in. 189 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: Others who joined FDR include William Donovan, whom FDR made 190 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: the head of the OSS, the first spy agency, the 191 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: precursor of the CIA. He was a prominent Republican before 192 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: he joined with FDR. So there was a broad movement. 193 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: You know, we're in this position again almost right. We 194 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: have something going on in Europe. It's you know, bubbling 195 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: up over there with Ukraine and you know being taken 196 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: over by Russia, and Europe is kind of threatened with 197 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: its eastern lines. America is watching very closely for our 198 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: allies that are, you know, making sure that they're taking 199 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: care of as well. We should be crossing the lines 200 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: of Aisle right now, prepping ourselves for a future together 201 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: and bipartisan factor. Right, So I mean we should be 202 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: you know, reaching across the aisle and saying, hey, we 203 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: shouldn't be against each other. Let's realize the big picture 204 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: here again. The goal, right is unification so that we're 205 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: strong together, not divided against each other. And then all 206 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know it's like, oh, is this 207 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: war needed or not needed? We have fifty fifty split 208 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 1: in America. We have to be all together if we're 209 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: gonna send our sons and daughters off to war. Yeah, 210 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: I agree completely. It's a shockingly similar situation where you 211 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: have a fascist stratarian dictator, you know, running over neighboring nations, 212 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: killing and discriminately killing civilians, threatening mayhem. Democratic countries fearing 213 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: this and trying to react. So I agree, we are 214 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: in need of a common front and so far, we've 215 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: managed to do that. There's forty billion dollars in aid 216 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: approved in May of this year. But President Trump has 217 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: spoken against it and criticized it and other Republicans as well. 218 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: But so far the bipartisan support has been there to 219 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: get these measures through Congress. I do wonder how long 220 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: that's gonna last. A new Republican majority in the House 221 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: might put an end to funding for aid to Ukraine, 222 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: so we'll see how that plays out. What we're seeing 223 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: here though, is it's kind of stirring up. You know, 224 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: the moms are yelling at Russian officials in Russia, like 225 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: the moms are like, you're taking our boys and they're 226 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: burning in tanks. I just saw some type of snippet 227 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: from some outlet today where you know, the mothers are 228 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: yelling at the recruiters trying to get the boys to 229 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: go to war, and they're like, you're just burning him 230 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: in the tanks. You're just killing our kids and burning 231 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: him in the tanks. It's just a coffin, you know, 232 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: And I was just like, I thought that was kind 233 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: of moving. You know, when mom gets mad, you know, 234 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: it's like what are you doing? Well, it's you know, 235 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: you know, that's why we in America love our democracy 236 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: and our constitution, because we have the freedom to object 237 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: to any stupid wars our leaders may drag us into. 238 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: Putin has basically crushed that descent. And there are a 239 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: few brave people speaking out in Russia now, but by 240 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: and large, objective reporting by news organizations on the war 241 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: is completely crushed under Putin's fascism. You know, I hope 242 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: that those mothers have an effect on the direction of 243 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: the Russian war effort, but there's not much that can 244 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: dissuade Vladimir Putin from the path that he chooses, and 245 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: he is choosing his path, and whether he's ill, as 246 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: people are speculating, or he is mentally ill, which we 247 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: all speculate he's it feels like he's the kind of 248 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: guy that would be back in the corner as a shark, 249 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: and you can't back a shark in the corner. I 250 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: think I heard of that as an analogy, and a 251 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: shark has to keep going straight, so he's gonna keep 252 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: trying to keep going straight somehow. But right now, you know, 253 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 1: I would like to see us as a nation come 254 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 1: together in those branches that exist that we all get 255 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: to go and vote for and have say in as 256 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: American people. I would like to see that happen and 257 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: get along. I would like to see them, you know, 258 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: really truly agreeing to see the support aid go to 259 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 1: this country. Are Ukraine needing it? Not a fight about it, 260 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 1: you know, like, oh, this doesn't make any sense. It 261 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: does make sense. And I mean, if that's where my 262 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: taxpayers dollars are going, okay, you know, I guess at 263 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: least I know where they're going, you know. And another 264 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: thing I want to point out, it's conscripting people is 265 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: not patriotism. Forcing people to believe in something is not patriotism. 266 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: Volunteering is patriotism. If you're going to join the military 267 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: on your own accord and raise your hand to go 268 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: do that, you're choosing to do so. I want to 269 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: do it. I'm motivated to do it. I'm gonna be 270 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: that patriotic person. But if you bring back this institute 271 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 1: of two mandatory years or like a Korean you have 272 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,719 Speaker 1: to go war or you have to fight, or you're 273 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: gonna be drafted no matter what. Like Vietnam. There was 274 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 1: a lot of problems in Vietnam because people were drafted. 275 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 1: They didn't want to go fight that war. Right, we 276 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: have protesters in ranks, but in World War Two, we 277 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,719 Speaker 1: don't really have any protesters in ranks because they all 278 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: stepped up. Yeah. Well, it's interesting when you mentioned conscription. 279 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 1: But let's come back to that. But I would say 280 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: that on the subject of wanting our leaders to come 281 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 1: together and have a discussion and reach agreement, of course, 282 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: that's that's often very difficult to do, right. But one 283 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: thing that made it possible for Franklin Roosevelt and Henry 284 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: Stimpson and Frank Knox and the other Republicans who joined 285 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 1: with him to reach agreement is that they had a 286 00:18:56,040 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 1: shared reverence for democracy and constitutional tomocracy, and they worked 287 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: from that shared goal, and that was sort of the 288 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 1: basis and foundation that enabled them to come together. You know, 289 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 1: I'm not sure that everyone in America at this time 290 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: actually supports constitutional democracy. You know, we hear a lot 291 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: of people talking about overthrowing an election. Um that taking 292 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: away women's rights. Yeah, well, you know, at least the 293 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: election is a constitutional, key element of the U S 294 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: constitutional foundation. Sorry, I got some daughters. Okay, I got daughters. 295 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: Let me just be clear, No, I understand any importance 296 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: of women's rights, and I agree with that. My point 297 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 1: is that there's nothing really more fundamental to American democracy 298 00:19:55,160 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: than a presidential election. And if millions of Americans are 299 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: talking about overthrowing an election, I think we're in a 300 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:08,959 Speaker 1: very disconcerting space in America right now. And I'm not 301 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 1: sure that everyone can come together and agree on democracy. 302 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: That would be nice. I wish they would, but it's 303 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: not so clear that they will. Many of them seem 304 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 1: to want a strongman in power well, and it seems 305 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: like that strong man preaches democracy to them, and that's 306 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: what they think is the word democracy. It's like if 307 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: you pick me democracy, and if someone else's like, if 308 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: you pick me democracy. So democracy just got muddied because 309 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: once I say in this and the other side saying that, 310 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: so what side am I supposed to fall? I don't 311 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: really falter. Maybe my neighbor, okay, because we moved through 312 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 1: this life and see the things, the newspapers and those 313 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: things that penetrate our thoughts. So one might think that 314 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 1: is democracy to them. They might have been educated to 315 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 1: be thinking such, and so I would like to just 316 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 1: maybe educate and just say democracy is the right to 317 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,679 Speaker 1: choose who's an elected president, the right to vote and 318 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: have that, you know, free and fair elections where you 319 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: can go stand in line and literally vote for who 320 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,640 Speaker 1: you want, like you know, like what you're talking about. 321 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: Not I don't know what some of my think democracy means. 322 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:15,479 Speaker 1: I don't want to skew it. I just want to 323 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: talk about how it is and what it is from 324 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: my definition, which is, you know, where we live. Really. 325 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people come at me in 326 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: this industry and say, oh, we live in a republic. 327 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,439 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I feel you, Okay, I get you. 328 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: But you know, and someone might say, oh, I'm left 329 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: leaning or I'm right leaning, or they may not know 330 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: anything about me personally as the host, and I would 331 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: just say I bleed red blood. That's what I'll tell 332 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: you right now, So don't label me. I don't really 333 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: go after labels. So if you want to go label 334 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 1: them as a libertarian, or you want to go label 335 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: them as a Republican or whatever, you're just labeling things. 336 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: If you can just say we're neighbors and hey, we 337 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: need to dig this ditch together so we can put 338 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: the fence in, then that's kind of how I moved 339 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: through life, right, like help your neighbor. That fence needs 340 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: to be put in. Yeah, well, I agree with you 341 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: about the use of the word democracy by both sides. 342 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: It's sort of carried by both sides. And this is 343 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: where we often run into. Okay, well, who's got right 344 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: on their side? Is it possible that democracy was subverted 345 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: here and that there was massive fraud and that the 346 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 1: wrong man won the election or was designated the winner. 347 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: And I think that our system, has agreed upon by 348 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: most Americans, rests on a system of laws and courts, 349 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: and if you're going to make that claim, then you 350 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: need to prove it before a judge and possibly a jury, 351 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: and then we can act. If it's so hotly and disputed, 352 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: let's bring it in a court and see where. Let 353 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: the chips fall where they may. And in act, more 354 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: than sixty lawsuits were brought by President Trump's supporters, and 355 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 1: they lost in every case. They never proved any fraud, 356 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: And to my mind, that is that is determinant. That 357 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 1: is has resolved the issue, and we all lived through it, 358 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: we all watched it, and it went down that way. 359 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,199 Speaker 1: There's on all the outlets, you know, sixty cases. You're correct, 360 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: and you know, let me bring it back to the 361 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: Al Gore George Bush hanging chad fiasco. Okay, because I 362 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 1: was in Florida on the deciding day of the hanging Chad, 363 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: and then I flew to Texas Airport, George Bush Airport, 364 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: and everybody's like, oh, Bush is gonna win. It's gonna 365 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,239 Speaker 1: be Bush. And I was like, wow, I'm in like 366 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: central Bush zone right now in his dad's airport in 367 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 1: Texas and it's the hanging chad decision day. And then 368 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: I'm flying to l A right away. So I fly 369 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 1: to l A. And as soon as I land in 370 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: l A, It's like Al Gore is gonna win. It 371 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: was just complete, you know, just craziness. And at the 372 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: end of the day, we all know the deciding factor 373 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: was somebody to punch the hanging chad all the way 374 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 1: through and a bulboust and it doesn't count for Gore. 375 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: And you know, this perforated hanging chad hung just on 376 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: it still, and that goes to George Bush, you know. 377 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 1: And and that was really kind of like getting into 378 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: the courts to try to decide who's going to be 379 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: the president with the hanging chats. Throw these votes out, 380 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 1: keep these votes in, like okay, who's to say, right, 381 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: And that's where we came out with now with electronic 382 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: touch pad stuff, so the hanging chads aren't gonna be 383 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: the problem because we were voting by punching that system. 384 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: You take your voting card, put it in the machine, 385 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: and you punch all or you go through each one. 386 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: So today we have people now selling those voting machines 387 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: on eBay and auction sites because they took it from 388 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 1: a Michigan voting booth and tried to break into it 389 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: and didn't know what to do, so they gave it 390 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: away to Goodwill. Goodwill said, oh, we have this like 391 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: big huge flat screen TV thing with an insert for 392 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,439 Speaker 1: a card. Let's just sell it on Goodwill's websites. They 393 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: sold it for seven dollars, and it just so happened 394 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: the person that bought it was a collector of voting 395 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 1: registration equipment who was also the person in charge of 396 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 1: the votes that just happened recently, and so not only 397 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: is he like in charge of the voting for the FED, 398 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: he's also a collector. So here he bought it immediately, 399 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 1: and then he called the FBI and said, look, what 400 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: I just got delivered to me this thing from Michigan. 401 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: It's a whole voting system. It's still active. So you 402 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: have people out there trying to do so many different 403 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: things to these things, to try to, you know, screw 404 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: us over as American people with our elections. Okay, whether 405 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: they're they're bad actors, they're just trying to game the 406 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: system or figure it out, right, So I don't know, 407 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 1: I think that you're right. Do people want their democracy 408 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: or democracy? What's going on here? Because I never ever 409 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: thought people would be taken voting equipment and like trying 410 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: to hack it and like crack into it. But hey, 411 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: that's not my game. I'm not after that. So you know, 412 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 1: there's always bad apples. But back to the issue of conscription, 413 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: I can tell you that, interestingly enough, August of Henry 414 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: Simpson and Frank Knox worked with FDR to actually pass 415 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: conscription bill in Congress, and that was one of the 416 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: first actions that they dove into to help FDR achieve 417 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: his program to prepare the country for World War two. 418 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: And as a result of that, some sixteen million Americans 419 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:48,400 Speaker 1: were expected to register. Four thousand were drafted and brought 420 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: into this service. Within months, So the preparations for the war, 421 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: we're moving fast. There was a lot of opposition in Congress, 422 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: and Simpson and Knox helped FDR overcome that. But ultimately 423 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 1: conscription during World War Two was much more widely accepted 424 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 1: than it was, say, during Vietnam. That was part of 425 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: the program that the two Republicans helped the Democratic president 426 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: put in place to prepare the country for war. So 427 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 1: what you just are teaching me right now today, I 428 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: learned that there was the draft of World War two soldiers, Right, 429 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: That's what you're telling me is that they drafted soldiers 430 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 1: into the door. Okay, but they were just accepting of 431 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: it because they understood the need to go per se. 432 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: Some people were probably pushing back on Vietnam, the understanding 433 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 1: why Vietnam was happy to be fought and conscripted in 434 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: that aspect, right, that would be kind of like the 435 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 1: scales here of what I'm just learning. So I can't 436 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: know everything. So I'm just trying to you know, I 437 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: figured world War two. I've seen Captain America. He's like 438 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: take me fifteen different ways. You know. It's like, right, 439 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: you're not getting a kid as I am, you know, 440 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: But there was, you know, a collective draft to bring 441 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: troops in to build up our numbers. Well, there was 442 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: you know, huge resentment in America over World War One, 443 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 1: and more than a hundred thousand Americans had died in 444 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: World War One, and there was a great deal of 445 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: discontent over belief that the arms manufacturers, the banks had 446 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 1: profited tremendously from World War One. So that resulted in 447 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: that supported the isolationist movement that said, we don't want 448 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: to have anything to do with any more wars. And 449 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: so there was a tremendous opposition to preparing the country 450 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: for war, building up an army. There was a very 451 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: small standing army. The United States Army was ranked nineteenth 452 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: in the nation in the world excuse me, in ninety nine. 453 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: It was tiny rank near Portugal. So that was what 454 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: Stimpson I believe needed to be corrected, was that the 455 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: United States need to be prepared for war with Hitler's 456 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: war machine. So they're just weren't offering that because there 457 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: is a different side of conscription. The question is what 458 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: are you being conscripted for? Doesn't make sense? Is it 459 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: reasonable in the context and in the situation that we 460 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: have in the world. So I think it's a very 461 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: different time, say, from Vietnam. There's a reason why they 462 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,239 Speaker 1: called World War Two the Good War. So yeah, and 463 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: you know, I guess my dad would be in a 464 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: seventeen in Vietnam. He joined the Navy versus getting drafted. 465 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: You know, he kind of chose to go. So his choice, right, 466 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: He's like, I'll make the path. If you're gonna make 467 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: me go, I'm gonna choose the Navy. You know. He's like, 468 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go that route. So I mean, you know, 469 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: that choice was his to make, and it led him 470 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: into a green barret career. And you know, I'm glad 471 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: my father's he was. But grandfather also fought in World 472 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: War Two in the Navy, and he chose to fight 473 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: in the Navy. Um so, Leonard, thank you for doing that, Grandpa. 474 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: And you know, boy, I just talked to a bomber pilot. See, 475 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: I get this cool job to talk to you and 476 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: other guys. Right, this bomber pilot he's still alive here 477 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: going on a missions over France and Europe. And I mean, like, 478 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: you know, he's like, we're just waiting for the big b. 479 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: I was like, what's that, you know, He's like Berlin. 480 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,479 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, you know, and that's on another episode. 481 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: So if you want to go back and listen, but 482 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: real quick, I just want to talk about the definition 483 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,719 Speaker 1: kind of a conscript. Right, maybe my listener doesn't know 484 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: what a conscript is, and maybe you can correct me. 485 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that a conscript is a male aged 486 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: body of like seventeen, sixteen, seventeen who's gonna be pulled 487 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: into a forced military of that country. Correct. Yes, you're 488 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: obligated by law to report for military duty, to register 489 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: and make yourself available for training and military service if 490 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: notified by the government, like yep. And that's almost like 491 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: in Vietnam they had a lottery system where they would 492 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: like your last name meant something and then there was 493 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: a number and your location, and you know they have 494 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: these lottery system and you're like, do I have the lottery? 495 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: Am I going to go register today? You can go 496 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: register on your own right now. You know those of 497 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: you out there that have any you know, desire or 498 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: wanted me to be inspired. I know that. You know, 499 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: the Army, Air Force, Navy, and Marines are looking for 500 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: the few, the proud, the brave, those that want to 501 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: go into the wild blue yonder those that want to 502 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: be backpacking Army and you know, the Navy. We need 503 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: you Navy. So I would say that, you know, thank 504 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: you to those of you who have joined and that 505 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: are listening to this podcast and saying I want to 506 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 1: do this when Rads retired, I'm gonna take over a 507 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: rat's job. But by all means, you know, it's like, honestly, 508 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: I think you get my vibe here is I just 509 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: want to have a really cool, like you know, chill world. 510 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 1: We can travel around and visit each other and you know, 511 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: have a nice sense of security from one border to another. 512 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: That's really what I'd like to see. Now, we have 513 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: to be prepared, Okay, I get it. There has to 514 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: be guys that work in the shadows at night, I understand, 515 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: all right, but let them do that. Well, there are 516 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: always those people who defending democracy, Defending the freedoms that 517 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: all of us enjoy requires hard work, and we should 518 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: be grateful to those who do it. And so that's 519 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: in part what I'm thinking about when I write this book. 520 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: I will say that I was unable to go into 521 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: a lot of the military history. My book is more 522 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: on political leadership and leadership at the top. But there's 523 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:49,239 Speaker 1: so many incredible works of history about the battles and 524 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 1: the military strategy. I don't have a lot of that, 525 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: but those stories are incredible and worth reading about. Agreed, Agreed, 526 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: any type of history lesson, I'm all for it. That's 527 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: why I love learning, and I'm always open to asking questions, 528 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: falling on my face and picking myself back up after 529 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: I learned the right answer. It's totally fine, you know. 530 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: That's how we learn. If you don't fail, you don't succeed. Okay, 531 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: those two words they gotta go together. There's no last 532 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 1: place if there's no first place. Okay. So I don't 533 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: know what else to tell you except to go buy 534 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: your book. So it's uniting America. How FDR and Henry 535 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 1: Stimpson brought Democrats and Republicans together to win World War Two? 536 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: By this guy right here, Peter Schenkel wrote that, all right, 537 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: and he put a lot of his time and heart 538 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: into it. And I want to think, is it Sophia 539 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: who hooked this all up and said, hey, rad let's 540 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: get Peter on your show. And Sophia, thank you if 541 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: you listen to this. Okay, I want to say thank 542 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 1: you for all the back and forth with myself and Peter, 543 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: So thank you. I'm glad to be here. One point, 544 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: you're interested in bi partisanship, and I can tell you 545 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: that it is interesting to know that. You know, bipartisanship 546 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: doesn't always produce the greatest outcome. There can be bipartisanship 547 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: that produces a bad outcome. So, for example, Republicans and 548 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: Democrats agreed for many years on segregation of black and 549 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: white people in the United States. So the point to 550 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 1: be made is that bipartisanship is only as good as 551 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: the goals that it seeks to carry out. And another 552 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: example from the World War two era is that Democrats 553 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: and Republicans supported putting Japanese Americans into interment concentration camps, 554 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: more than a hundred thousand of them. So I investigate 555 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:47,759 Speaker 1: and talk about how fd Are and Henry Stimpson made 556 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 1: their way to that decision and the unwinding of the 557 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: decision and the stain that it left on both their 558 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:59,280 Speaker 1: bipartisan alliance and on American democracy. But the broader point 559 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: is that partisanship is only as good as the goal 560 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: that it is seeking. If that goal is greater democracy 561 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,280 Speaker 1: and greater freedom for our citizens and for people around 562 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 1: the world, then that goal is good. But when it 563 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: visions negative goals and pursues negative goals, it can have 564 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: a very bad outcome. So bi partisanship is not always perfect. 565 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: It's bipartisanship in support of what cause. That's what we 566 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 1: need to ask that goal post, that's the goal, Like, 567 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: what's the goal to get that bipartisanship done? Okay, I 568 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: completely agree with you and that when I say I 569 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 1: guess bipartisan and reaching across the aisle, I mean for 570 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,760 Speaker 1: the right reasons, in the right ways, for the right goals, 571 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: Hunter Persent mean that you know. And so one thing 572 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: that you know as we wind down our show here 573 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 1: is I think of George Takai. Okay, live long and 574 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,399 Speaker 1: prosper from Star Trek right Japanese as a young man 575 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: was put into an interment camp right his family during 576 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: War two. They segregated him. Today you can see him 577 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 1: on Instagram and he's constantly chatting up everybody. And and 578 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:07,720 Speaker 1: I just want to give a short out to George 579 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 1: Takai right there World War two and living in Utah, 580 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: I had no idea the significance of all of the 581 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: different interment camps that were put here. I had no 582 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,359 Speaker 1: idea until just like a year ago. And I knew 583 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 1: about Topaz Mountain, right, I knew about that, but I 584 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,879 Speaker 1: didn't know about the place up in Ogden. I didn't 585 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 1: know about the clear Field Freeports Center. That was the 586 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 1: whole military industrial complex that's now running like lifetime basketballs 587 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: out of it. And they were used to house all 588 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 1: of World War two immigrants coming in from the war. 589 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 1: And I was just like, I'm blown away by you 590 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,799 Speaker 1: know how everything surrounding us here in Utah is really 591 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: ran by the military industrial machine. I'm just saying Hill 592 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: Air Force Base builds its cities around it. For the 593 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 1: World War two dropping of the atomic bomb Hiroshima, because 594 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 1: they did the Doolittle rate out of Utah. The whole 595 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 1: Doolittle raid was sent out a Windover and window Over 596 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 1: is right here on the border in Utah of Nevada. 597 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: And then Hill, our fourth space was built so that 598 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,359 Speaker 1: I could get to wind Over. It was just like 599 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,720 Speaker 1: this whole mechanism of World War two Utah is really 600 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,399 Speaker 1: just a military industrial complex foundation that now the city 601 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: rises from from World War two it's crazy. Well, the 602 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 1: past is always with us and we should learn from 603 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,840 Speaker 1: it and uh, you know, and and and study it. 604 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 1: So thank you for the history lesson today. And I 605 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,359 Speaker 1: want others to buy your book and check it out 606 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 1: where five books are sold. I know it's gonna be 607 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 1: dropping in October, so we're super excited. Thanks for getting 608 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: me a copy of it and let me learn about 609 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,360 Speaker 1: what you've written. And it's been a super pleasure to 610 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 1: have you on the podcast on Software Radio. And if 611 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 1: you have any final words, I'll let you have something 612 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: to say. Well, Red, it's been a pleasure being here. 613 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me and I really 614 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,359 Speaker 1: appreciate your questions and the conversation today. And you know, 615 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 1: the only words that I can offer is that I 616 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 1: hope that our country can continue to find its way 617 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 1: to have thoughtful debates and find a way to support 618 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,440 Speaker 1: democracy and constitutional democracy in our country and around the world. 619 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 1: And I think if we can do that, we're on 620 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 1: the right path. I love it. That's a great message. 621 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 1: We're gonna say thank you for being on the show. 622 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, live long and prosper and thanks for 623 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,879 Speaker 1: listening to Soft Rep Radio. It's been a pleasure. Peter, 624 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:38,319 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. 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