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Speaker 7: It is Wednesday, January seventh, twenty twenty five, Season twenty one,

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Speaker 7: episode number one hundred and three. Welcome to the latest

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Speaker 7: it's been an interesting few days here in the Cowboys universe.

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Speaker 2: Not unexpected.

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Speaker 7: I think we all expected that, you know, maybe as

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Speaker 7: far back as the Minnesota game, that this would happen.

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Speaker 7: The Cowboys move on from defensive coordinator Ibra Flus and

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Speaker 7: now they're in the hunt. They're looking for the next

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Speaker 7: guy to run their defense. And there are a lot

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Speaker 7: of very intriguing names. We'll get into a lot of

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Speaker 7: that during the course of this show. We actually started

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Speaker 7: the show a little early today because we need to

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Speaker 7: it finished a little early because at eleven thirty Central time,

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Speaker 7: we're going to have the end of season press conference

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Speaker 7: that will include Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones, and Coach Schottenheimer

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Speaker 7: and they'll answer questions from the media. I assume a

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Speaker 7: lot of that will have to do with the defensive

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Speaker 7: coordinator position that is now vacant, and also lots of

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Speaker 7: other topics that the Cowboys will have to figure out

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Speaker 7: and answer here in this offseason.

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Speaker 2: Let's start first with the news around Ibra flus It.

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Speaker 7: I'll start with the question of speed of how fastest

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Speaker 7: decisions made, Brian. I know you've been saying for a

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Speaker 7: few weeks you expected it to be similar to what

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Speaker 7: they did with no One. Within a few days they

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Speaker 7: go through the process of finding the next guy. But

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Speaker 7: were you guys at all surprised with how fast this

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Speaker 7: decision was made and announced.

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Speaker 6: Your head coach seems to be a man that leans

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Speaker 6: into urgency sometimes, and you know, just based on certain history,

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Speaker 6: the Joneses haven't always been that they like to kick

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Speaker 6: it and have meetings about stuff and talk about stuff.

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Speaker 6: I just started working here this year. I don't know

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Speaker 6: for short that that's how it go, but just from

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Speaker 6: my fan point of view, it always seems like a

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Speaker 6: lone conversation got to happen prior to something getting done.

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Speaker 6: And if I had to assume or guess nobody told

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Speaker 6: me this, I would say that your coach got done

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Speaker 6: with his player stuff, all right, practice squad guys, all

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Speaker 6: this kind of a man, be healthy, stay in shape,

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Speaker 6: all that. And I think he ran right to mister

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Speaker 6: Jones office and said, hey, man, we need a new coordinator.

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Speaker 6: And it's a lot of coordinators that's available right now,

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Speaker 6: and I don't want to miss this window. I want

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Speaker 6: and look, Jerry probably has a good feel too, but

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Speaker 6: I think the head coach has a good feel for

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Speaker 6: what this offense is and I just want the defense

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Speaker 6: to have a perfect Men, let's put time into this, Like,

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Speaker 6: let's just not talk to Brian Shott and have and

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Speaker 6: be done with it, right, Let's talk to all these people.

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Speaker 6: Let's let's let's really do our due diligence let's start now,

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Speaker 6: Let's let's do this early. And I think that's the

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Speaker 5: So I think that's why it happens.

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, you have seven new coaches they're about to have,

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Speaker 3: we can do that now, we allow allowed to do that.

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Speaker 5: We don't know.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, the names you see. Sorry my apology, by

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Speaker 2: I We'll get to that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I thought with the season I've got, I've

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Speaker 3: We're gonna get that No, No, and I and I.

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Speaker 3: But that's what I'm saying though, that there they're going

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Speaker 3: This is going to be an interesting search. Sorry about that, Derek.

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Speaker 8: Dog Well, honestly, I'm a little confused by your question, Derek,

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Speaker 7: Well, I think the reason why the whole topic of speed.

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Speaker 7: Coach Shatti was asked about the timeline at his at

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Speaker 7: the press conference after the game, and I think this

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Speaker 7: It was really meant like, this is our definitive in

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Speaker 2: I think he was just kind of like, you know,

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: But I think it got a lot of press and

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Speaker 7: they did it way ahead of the ten to twelve days,

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Speaker 2: Gonna get it done within in the twelve days.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 7: But that being said, were you surprised at the time frame?

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Speaker 7: It sounds like you weren't based upon what you'd heard

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Speaker 8: Well, when it happened at the moment, I was like,

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Speaker 8: I wonder what holds more value. What's more valuable the

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Speaker 3: Well, they're in a situation. Let's be honest. When he

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Speaker 3: But I'm going to say this, when when Brian Schottenheimer said, mattyraflush,

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Speaker 6: Done also to Derek. And I was on social media

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Speaker 6: gloating about this. I think I got eva flues fire.

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Speaker 6: But but just listen, no, no to hit me out, Hamberg,

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Speaker 6: day oh yeah, man, Jerry Jones gets a gets a

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Speaker 6: report for everything that's going on socials, you know what

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Speaker 6: I'm saying. And then Derek Eagleton came and told me, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 6: they listen to us. They listen to everything that we say. So, yeah,

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Speaker 6: I got flues fired. But we all got flues fired.

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Speaker 6: Y'all got flues fired. We come up here every day.

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Speaker 6: All these shows on Dallas Cowboys dot Com got flues fired.

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Speaker 6: The fans got Neco fired from the Mavericks. So if

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Speaker 6: you do well everything and Jerry Jones is social media

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Speaker 6: report and.

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Speaker 2: Can I get this?

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Speaker 5: I bet let me get please.

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Speaker 7: Yes, I think I think that people in this building

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Speaker 5: Here's the reason why I'm being funny.

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Speaker 6: What I'm saying is, if there's constant debate about whether

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Speaker 5: Sure.

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Speaker 6: I think there was a different type of outrage about

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Speaker 5: That's just vite.

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Speaker 6: But if you look in the chats every day, if

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Speaker 8: The actual games and going based on the games, Jerry Jones, no, no, no,

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Speaker 5: Happening, Garcia.

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Speaker 2: Why and why?

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Speaker 5: Why did he keep his job?

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Speaker 7: But he was pretty blunt, like, man, I'm looking at

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Speaker 7: I think Jerry saw what everybody else saw, and I

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Speaker 2: I don't think the thing made him be like that.

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Speaker 5: The Bay team Derey.

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Speaker 6: Do you think that if Jerry had a magic time

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Speaker 3: Do with this day.

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Speaker 5: Well, i'll tell you.

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Speaker 7: I'll tell you it's going back to the Mike McCarthy thing.

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Speaker 6: I think that, I said, I think Jerry Jones has

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Speaker 6: I can't do this this time. I can't do this.

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Speaker 7: I don't think the fan criticism was the major I

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Speaker 2: Sure, if if you're seeing that, you you certainly.

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Speaker 7: Are going to be looking like I gotta do something

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Speaker 6: Patch yourself on the back. Chack y'all got even flues

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Speaker 6: fire and I helped. And all the collective noise, all

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Speaker 7: Because whatever whatever makes you feel good, then great, go

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Speaker 7: I just don't think that was a part of it.

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Speaker 6: I bet you, Jerry here all that noise, because if

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Speaker 5: I didn't hear.

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Speaker 8: I better you know the amount of noise he's been hearing.

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Speaker 8: And when I feel like.

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Speaker 5: You're but you never tell me when I'm right. That's

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Speaker 5: a Damn.

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Speaker 6: You said please once or twice. I've been working for

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Speaker 3: I think to me though, if you want to if

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Speaker 3: You could hear it in the questions and the tones

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Speaker 3: You know, average, you won the same amount of games

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Speaker 8: But with this result and why you saw, there is

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Speaker 7: We're in the second segment of Break Live from the

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Speaker 7: all right now here's I want to take this in

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Speaker 7: a little different direction because I really want to know

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Speaker 7: kind of how you guys think about like he's he's

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Speaker 7: gone now, there's still a lot of other parts that

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Speaker 7: are here. So if you had to vide divide the

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Speaker 7: responsibility of what happened this year on defense into percentages

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Speaker 7: between the coaches, players and front office. And when I

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Speaker 7: say front office, I mean the caliber of players that

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Speaker 7: were given to the defense, how would.

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Speaker 3: You say not the higher, not the actual higher?

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Speaker 7: Sure, if you want to, that's fine, But I was

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Speaker 7: thinking more from the standpoint of is it the who's

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Speaker 7: fo the fault the fault of the players that are here,

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Speaker 7: the fault of the players that were given versus players

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Speaker 7: that could have been here.

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Speaker 3: Because they went out, went out and got they tried

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Speaker 3: to get better players, right, they did.

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Speaker 7: Try and then or forebrafos, Like if you gave it percentages,

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Speaker 7: how would you divide the responsibility when it comes to

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Speaker 7: the DP?

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Speaker 8: So you want us to do the the making? What

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Speaker 8: is it thirty making?

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Speaker 5: Right now? Someone that ain't that ain't quite what he's saying.

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Speaker 6: I understand what you're saying, but I'm just we got

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Speaker 6: Ambar Garcia to say, dirty mac Man, come on out, Derek.

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Speaker 6: So I'll just I'll just do it like this, right.

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Speaker 6: I think even if Michael Parsons was here, I don't

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Speaker 6: think it would have helped Fluce all that much. Because

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Speaker 6: Ambar made a fantastic point a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 6: She's made multiple fantastic points on the show. She's one

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Speaker 6: of the best in the business. I wish I know

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Speaker 6: how to say that in Spanish, but Ambar gim me

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Speaker 6: awards show and many of them.

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Speaker 5: I want one. But Ambar was like man Vouch because

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Speaker 5: we were talking.

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Speaker 6: She was like man Voch, I don't know why all

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Speaker 6: these good players get here and no matter how good

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Speaker 6: they were, at some point they all play bad. Like collectively,

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Speaker 6: they all look bad. And that's the voice that Ambar

522
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Speaker 6: was always. I thought it was a fun of the

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Speaker 6: point when she made it. So I think if Michael

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Speaker 6: was here, I think the pass rush would be a

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Speaker 6: little better. But I think Michael would be playing bad.

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Speaker 6: It's just, in my mind, a problem, a problem as

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Speaker 6: far as the blame. Who am I leaning it leaning

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Speaker 6: leaning it on more? If Flues came out and said

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Speaker 6: on some podcast or show because he don't work here

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Speaker 6: no more. Maybe I don't know and said, man, look,

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Speaker 6: I just didn't have the guys to do it.

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Speaker 5: I didn't have We didn't have good players.

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Speaker 6: It'll sound fair, but this is my point on that

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Speaker 6: you didn't have great players. You didn't have phenomenal players

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Speaker 6: that could carry your scheme. But you don't have the

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Speaker 6: thirty ninth worst defense in the league. You see what

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Speaker 6: I'm saying. The Cowboys were the The dbs you have

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Speaker 6: are not that bad of a defensive back collective. You

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Speaker 6: probably got the best defensive tackle room in the whole

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Speaker 6: entire league. You got some young pass rushes. Clowney stepped up,

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Speaker 6: Doninezrock could have done you. So everybody underachieved, every single

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Speaker 6: soul with We felt like they were good already, mid

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Speaker 6: not as great. They all to achieve. And I think

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Speaker 6: it is on flu So I don't have a percentage

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Speaker 6: to give you, but I would say it was most

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Speaker 6: majority was him, majority was coaching.

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Speaker 3: Fifty percent, front office, thirty percent, flues, twenty percent players.

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Speaker 2: So you think that the quality of players were just

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Speaker 2: not good enough.

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Speaker 3: I think that I think they failed. The front office

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Speaker 3: filled in two areas. If in fact that they were

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Speaker 3: the recommendation of Matty Refluse. That was a fail. They

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Speaker 3: didn't get enough players. That's a problem too. Matti Refluse

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Speaker 3: did not adjust or adapt to the players he had.

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Speaker 3: That's his fault. The players didn't play at a very

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Speaker 3: at a very high level. They might not have been

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Speaker 3: good enough. The ones that they did get seemed to

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Speaker 3: play at a much higher level. So I will put

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Speaker 3: the twenty percent on them, thirty percent on Flues, and

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Speaker 3: fifty percent on the front office for the higher and

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Speaker 3: the lack of players.

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Speaker 6: But Ambar said that even when Kenny Clark got here,

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Speaker 6: he started looking bad after a while. Bright Bright Amber,

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Speaker 6: you did say a lot similar.

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Speaker 3: I put thirty percent of the fault on on on

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Speaker 3: the on Matti Reflues and the staff. I feel like

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Speaker 3: that they they he did not do what he was

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Speaker 3: brought in here to do. And you have players. And

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Speaker 3: I appreciate a guy like Fowler standing up there and saying,

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Speaker 3: you know what, you got to put players in better

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Speaker 3: positions to make place. I appreciate him putting his name

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Speaker 3: on there because a lot of people wouldn't have done that.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of anonymous sources and stuff,

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Speaker 3: and that's what we deal with right now. But to me,

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Speaker 3: Matty Refluce failed you because he did not adapt to

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Speaker 3: the players he had. He had a whole training camp

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Speaker 3: where he didn't have Michael Parsons practice a day, you know,

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Speaker 3: and he got into a false sense of security. We've

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Speaker 3: talked about this about his pass rush, which was not

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Speaker 3: existing all year. It took bringing Clowney in here to

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Speaker 3: have any kind of a pass rush. So to me,

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Speaker 3: that's where the players, that's the front office. And then

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Speaker 3: you know, the coach was hired by the front office,

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Speaker 3: well or was recommended to the head coach who then

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Speaker 3: made the higher So it's it's a lot of us

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Speaker 3: is on the front office on.

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Speaker 6: That point, Brian, let me ask you this, how much

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Speaker 6: blame goes on the coach if he asked for Kenneth

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Speaker 6: Murray and Kyrie Elam and Weezy Bridges or whatever that like,

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Speaker 6: does more go on to coach or is that still

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Speaker 6: just players with the.

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Speaker 3: Front office is the one? The front office is the

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Speaker 3: one to be able to say that like, well, no,

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Speaker 3: we really don't feel like but this organization they're into

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Speaker 3: they're going to do again. Asking Steven Jones this question,

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Speaker 3: he's going to ask him about who makes the decision

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Speaker 3: on the code. We're going to do everything we can

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Speaker 3: to help Flus or it's going me to help Schottenheimer here.

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Speaker 3: So you know, they made the recommend day. They knew

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Speaker 3: they weren't very good when it came to the roster,

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Speaker 3: and they went and tried to make a trade. You know.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately the trade, you know, it looked like it worked

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Speaker 3: out for him for a couple of games. But if

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Speaker 3: they're the front office is trying to help the coach,

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Speaker 3: you know, well then they also need to make the

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Speaker 3: evaluation of hey, coach, we don't feel like these guys

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Speaker 3: could help us. We need to think about this. But

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Speaker 3: they were the situation where they need better players coming in,

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Speaker 3: you know. And that's a lot of bad drafts on defense,

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Speaker 3: by the way, too, guys, that's a lot of guys.

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Speaker 3: That's a lot of Tristan Hills and Taco Charltons and

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Speaker 3: boss Man Fats and just go down the list. They

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Speaker 3: have missed on a lot of defensive players. And then

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Speaker 3: you know, and you can maybe even throw in there

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Speaker 3: Mary's leafol Marris Leafel under one administration was like hung

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Speaker 3: the moon. Under this administration. You can't get on the field.

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Speaker 5: You'll be back.

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Speaker 3: That's a problem.

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Speaker 5: You'll be back.

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Speaker 3: I just know it.

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Speaker 8: I don't blame the front office for making the initial

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Speaker 8: higher because at the time it seemed like a good option.

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Speaker 8: I think it was like, Okay, this guy has a

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Speaker 8: certain reputation, he has the experience, let's try it out.

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Speaker 8: So it wasn't like a huge deal in that sense

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Speaker 8: of concern. In the level of concern. However, I do

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Speaker 8: put blame in when they decided to interfere.

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Speaker 3: Like.

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Speaker 8: Is that the word intervene, intervene, not interfere intervene. They

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Speaker 8: should have intervened in the middle of the season. Again,

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Speaker 8: I use the bye week as.

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Speaker 7: My just because when you say intervened, are you saying

633
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Speaker 7: they should have said enough is enough you're out?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Ye at what point.

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Speaker 8: But however, however, I will say this, they did attempt. No,

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Speaker 8: they did not attempt. They made those two trades in

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Speaker 8: hopes to help him, So they did make that change.

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Speaker 8: It didn't happen. And at that point you could also argue, well,

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Speaker 8: you only have like three or four games left of

641
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Speaker 8: the season, let's just finish it. It is what it is.

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Speaker 8: Type of deal. But my thing is, and going back

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Speaker 8: to that previous conversation that we had weeks ago where

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Speaker 8: we were discussing this topic of like, okay, well someone

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Speaker 8: should complain about something. You should have that conversation at

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Speaker 8: some point you as the front office. And again this

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Speaker 8: is we don't know if those conversations happen or not,

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Speaker 8: but they should have and they should have intervened and

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Speaker 8: been like, okay, what changes can we make even if

650
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Speaker 8: he was still the defensive coordinator. Not force him, but

651
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Speaker 8: say hey, we want to see this or you let's

652
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Speaker 8: strike different things, let's.

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Speaker 5: More play more of this coverage play may Yeah.

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Speaker 8: And when you talk about player, when you talk about

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Speaker 8: talent versus coaching, here's where I go back and forth

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Speaker 8: because initially I'm like, it's all coaching coaching, but then

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Speaker 8: you look at some of the players, the one on ones,

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Speaker 8: You're like, well look at that, Like okay, there there's

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Speaker 8: a lack of talent with certain players too, But what

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Speaker 8: changes are you making? Because if we saw more of

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00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 8: those changes and trying different things out, we as the

662
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Speaker 8: viewer can be like, well, dang, he's trying, but these

663
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 8: players are not talented enough. So you could make that argument,

664
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Speaker 8: but it wasn't there.

665
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Speaker 2: Well, I would say this, I believe they thought the defense.

666
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 8: I'm like stranger things. I believe.

667
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 2: I think I think they believe.

668
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 7: I think they believe they had turned the corner with

669
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 7: this defense. I think they got to that they got

670
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 7: Fool's goal. But I think that they got to that

671
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 7: Raiders game, that Eagles game, and that Kansas City game.

672
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Speaker 2: And I think they.

673
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 3: Felt likeruggling on offense.

674
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

675
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Speaker 7: But you know how the mind of an optimist works, right,

676
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 7: The amount of an optimist is the amount of an optimist, like, hey,

677
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 7: our changes are mattering like these the two teams, and

678
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 7: two of these teams were in the Super Bowl last year.

679
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 7: If we're doing great against them, if we're doing okay

680
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 7: against them, again, we were just trying to get it

681
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,479
Speaker 7: to an average defense, right, So if we're doing okay

682
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 7: against them, man, we must be turning the corner. And

683
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 7: then I think they got smacked in the face when

684
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 7: the Chargers game happened, and then doubled down when the

685
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 7: Minnesota game happens. I really believe they thought their changes

686
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 7: were taking effect with the you know, the defense starting

687
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 7: to figure out what Flus was asking them to do.

688
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 2: I think they felt like they had turned the corner,

689
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 2: and I think it just was fool's goal.

690
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 7: Like and by the way, I think a lot of

691
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 7: us start, okay, this team's better after those three games.

692
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 7: I think we all, to a man and a woman

693
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 7: in this room said we think this team's better because

694
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 7: I remember you've watched Sam.

695
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 2: This team can play with anybody. They can get beat

696
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 2: by any so and I don't think we thought that

697
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 2: about end of the season.

698
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 7: We didn't think they could play with anybody anymore, right,

699
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 7: But I think we all thought they kind of turned

700
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 7: the corner where they were like, this is a team

701
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 7: that's that's ascending, this team is getting better as the

702
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 7: season goes on. And then again you got smacked in

703
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 7: the face when the Chargers game and came, and then

704
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 7: you doublely got smacked in the face in the Minnesota game,

705
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 7: and you were faced with reality at that point that know,

706
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 7: this defense is what this defense is, It is not

707
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,959
Speaker 7: getting better. And so to your point, Amber, so at

708
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 7: that point, do you make a move. You only got

709
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 7: a few weeks left. I think the move was send him.

710
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 2: Up to the boot.

711
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 7: Let's see if that changes anything. But at this point

712
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 7: you're you're not going to the playoffs. I mean, it

713
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 7: doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to make

714
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 7: some big, grand move other than just a ceremonial move.

715
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 5: At that point, Amber made a phenomenal point, and.

716
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 6: I going to get a few minutes ago on that

717
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 6: point that Ambar made it bout intervening. Everybody can answer this.

718
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 6: I wonder how upset Jerry Jones was about, Hey, we

719
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 6: went to go get Logan Wilson, and Logan Wilson just

720
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,719
Speaker 6: didn't play enough, because I remember on the radio they

721
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 6: was like, Jerry, why didn't Logan Wilson play more than

722
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 6: he was?

723
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 5: Like thought he was, We're gonna have to work it out.

724
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 6: We're gonna have to find somebody, gonna have to get

725
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 6: him on the wonder how mad Jerry was and whose

726
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 6: call was there.

727
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 7: But to me was that the example of the defensive

728
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 7: coordinator basically was trying to do his own thing, even

729
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 7: though he may have been being told to do something different.

730
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 7: He was basically like, I don't care if I'm gonna

731
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 7: get fired. I'm gonna get fired my own way.

732
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Speaker 2: Which I have a little bit of respect for that too. Coach,

733
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 2: you know, if you're a coach.

734
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Speaker 7: If you're a coach and you're like everybody's like, they're

735
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,239
Speaker 7: telling you gotta do this, you gotta do and you're like,

736
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,479
Speaker 7: I don't believe in that. Then by the way, you're

737
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 7: gonna have to deal with the consequences. But if you're

738
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 7: gonna go out, you might as well.

739
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 5: Okay, get them.

740
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 8: Every week after the game they come here to back

741
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 8: to the building, they turn on the TV, the monitors

742
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 8: and screen and play the tape. What are you saying?

743
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 8: What do you mean you see it on the tape

744
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 8: in front of you.

745
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 5: Right and here?

746
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 7: That would be my only question is when you look

747
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 7: at that, I think we all understood what Kenneth Murray

748
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 7: was right, But for some reason, the defensive coordinator felt

749
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 7: like he was the guy, like he was crazy. And

750
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 7: so that's where I'm like, I think the defensive coordinator

751
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 7: just felt like, that's my guy. I think he can

752
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 7: do this. I don't put all the blame on him.

753
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 7: I think there are other things that are factoring into this.

754
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 7: So I don't care what anybody says. I'm gonna stick

755
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 7: with my guy. I think that was a stubborn move

756
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 7: by the.

757
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 8: But how do you lead a room work because all

758
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 8: the all the players are sitting there watching the screen. Yes,

759
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 8: and you're sitting how do you get up after watching

760
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 8: this and be like, hey, guys, let's run it back.

761
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 6: You're right.

762
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 2: I think that's also his undoing.

763
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Speaker 7: I think that there were a lot of players in

764
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,959
Speaker 7: that room that were, by the way I've heard some

765
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 7: of those stories, there were players in that room that

766
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 7: felt like he wasn't doing the things that should have

767
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 7: been done from the standpoint of who should be playing

768
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 7: and how they should be playing. So yes, that was

769
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 7: you're right, but that was his own way of being like,

770
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 7: I believe in this and I'm gonna stick with this,

771
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,239
Speaker 7: And I think that's how this is.

772
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 3: Honestly, this is general manager's fault.

773
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 5: This is Inswervene, is what she's saying.

774
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 3: Now, I'm saying this. The general manager has got to

775
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 3: go to the head coach and say, listen, we're gonna

776
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 3: play Logan Wilson this week. Intervene. You know, we're going

777
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 3: to play Logan Wilson this week, and there should not

778
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Speaker 3: be any.

779
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 2: How do you know that didn't happen though, because if

780
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,240
Speaker 2: he was, if he said.

781
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 3: Jerry Jones did, and Jerry Jones has always been very

782
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 3: honest when it comes on the radio and he says, listen,

783
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 3: I told Brian Schottenheimer and mattib Reflus this is how

784
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 3: it should have gone down. If you don't play this guy,

785
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 3: I'm gonna fire you that. That's where this should have

786
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 3: gone down. As a general manager. Okay, okay, give me

787
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 3: a minute here. This this this whole situation. Though it does,

788
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 3: it starts at the top. The general manager as a

789
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 3: progative to be able to say, listen, we need to

790
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 3: play this guy. I need to see what this player is.

791
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 3: He can convey that to Brian Schottenheimer. Then who can

792
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 3: convey that to Matti Refluse. Right, That's where this needs

793
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 3: to start. This needs to start. The general manager should

794
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 3: not have a question about why a guy didn't.

795
00:34:58,800 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: Play, So what happened?

796
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 7: What happens If the general manager says we're gonna play

797
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 7: this guy yep, oh yes, yes, sir, we're gonna play

798
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 7: this guy, and then the game comes and he has

799
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 7: zero snaps.

800
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 3: Then that's where that's where the general manager needs to

801
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 3: come out and tell us to listen, I told him

802
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 3: that we needed to play this guy.

803
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 7: I need not though he said it was he said

804
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 7: he must be playing, and he did not, so I don't.

805
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 3: Then then you need to have the situation. To Ambar's point,

806
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 3: then he needed to be let go. Then that's that's

807
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 3: where if you're directly not obeying an order that like

808
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 3: we need to see this guy play, then then Brian

809
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 3: Schottenheimer said, hey, Matty, we're done with Matt Eberfleus.

810
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 7: What my expectation is, this is this is what I

811
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 7: think happened is my own opinion. What I think happened

812
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 7: is I think there was an understanding that he should play.

813
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 7: I think we got to a game where he had

814
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 7: zero snaps. I think that conversation didn't happened at that point. Guys,

815
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 7: I thought he was gonna play. Yeah, I do not

816
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 7: want to see that this weekend. And what happened the

817
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 7: next weekend he played and it didn't really it was

818
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:57,439
Speaker 7: too little.

819
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 3: He played a lot more after. If Frank Burry got

820
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 3: the person foul pedal in the game the other day.

821
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 7: Fair, But my point is my point is I think

822
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 7: that's how it played out, and I think ultimately at

823
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 7: the end of the day he was fired. So I

824
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 7: do think that there was some holding of account. But

825
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 7: I don't think. I think everybody he The way Jerry

826
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 7: said it on the radio made me think there was

827
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 7: a clear communication that they'd had as a group that

828
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 7: he was going to play, and then all of a

829
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 7: sudden he didn't play, and Jerry was just as confused

830
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 7: and frustrated as everybody else, like this was supposed to

831
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 7: be the plan and then it didn't happen.

832
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 2: Then by the next week it happened.

833
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 7: So my guess is he was a little more stern

834
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 7: in how he said, I need to see this gun

835
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 7: on the field and make it happen, and it happened, right.

836
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 7: I don't think that it was a situation where he

837
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 7: was just kind of like, you know, he didn't have

838
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 7: that kind of influence and certainly didn't exercise that kind

839
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 7: of influence.

840
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 6: The worst coordinator, the worst the coordinator of the worst

841
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 6: defense in the league can't not do what I tell

842
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 6: him to do, you know what I'm saying, Like, you

843
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 6: just can't roguely be like, well, this is my way.

844
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 7: To let you know.

845
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 3: Obviously, obviously, unless you know he's gonna get he was.

846
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 3: Obviously he wasn't scared about it because he did it,

847
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 3: And I mean to me, that means the point wasn't conveyed.

848
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 3: When you when you when you don't, when you have

849
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 3: a direct order to do something and you don't do it,

850
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 3: then to me, the order wasn't conveyed.

851
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. In that first game, that game.

852
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 3: Whether it's Jerry or Shottenheimer, somebody needed to tell him

853
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 3: we're playing this guy.

854
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 7: But in the game where he had zero snaps, I

855
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 7: think before that game, I don't know that it was

856
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 7: a directive at that point. As much as it was,

857
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 7: there was just an understanding across everybody, we're doing that

858
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 7: he's gonna play this week. By that next week, I

859
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 7: think it was a directive. That's why I think he

860
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 7: played more is because I think it was like, how did.

861
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 2: He get zero snaps? That's a problem.

862
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 7: And then I think it was a directive he needs

863
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 7: to be on the field, period, and by the next

864
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 7: week he was.

865
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 3: The directive should have been that should have been the

866
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 3: week that he had zero snaps. To me, that's where

867
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 3: it it should have been far more. It should have

868
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,919
Speaker 3: been a far more. Hey, everybody saw what was going

869
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 3: on with Murray, everybody. That's it. The general manager counsaid

870
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 3: up there and he watched it's a game. He's a

871
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 3: lot of games in thirty years. He's seen good games,

872
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 3: he's seen bad games. He knows what's going on. He

873
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 3: should have walked in there and said, listen, I've had

874
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 3: enough of Murray. I've had enough, don't play him anymore.

875
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: That part I agree with. That's a that's a I'm.

876
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 3: Not just I'm not playing. I mean, I'm saying general

877
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 3: managers have the progative to walk in and say, listen,

878
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Speaker 3: I don't want to see this guy playing anymore. I'm

879
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 3: sorry I brought him to you. I'm sorry he's here.

880
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 3: And I'm sure that he had I'm sure that Matt

881
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Speaker 3: Eberflus had some influence in getting Murray here, just like

882
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Speaker 3: Jack Sanborn and everybody else on the defensive side of

883
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Speaker 3: the ball. So to me, I get it. I mean,

884
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 3: you're keep playing the loyal guy that probably came up

885
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 3: to Flus and said, hey, I'm hearing all the noise,

886
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 3: sorry about that, You're a good DC, and then all

887
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 3: of a sudden's like, I'm gonna keep playing you, bro,

888
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,439
Speaker 3: don't worry about it. But see to me, the fact

889
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 3: that Flues directly just kept playing Murray tells me that

890
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 3: maybe that message wasn't conveyed clearly enough. That's my point.

891
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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 7: All right, hey, real quick, before we end the show,

893
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 7: I do need to make a little announce I think

894
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 7: you've already said it. Yes, we got we got to

895
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 7: wrap up because I gotta get to the press conference

896
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 7: Brian brought us. Man, you've been You've been a big

897
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Speaker 7: part of what we've done here on Dallas Cowboys dot

898
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 7: Com for a very very long time. And I can't

899
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Speaker 7: say just not only as a as a professional, but

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Speaker 7: as a friend. I can't tell you how much I

901
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 7: appreciate it. Because from the moment I called you many

902
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 7: many years ago to say, hey, Brian, you think you

903
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 7: might want to come over and work with us, you've

904
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 7: always been there, and for me it's been very helpful

905
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 7: because anytime I ask anything, even if it's something you

906
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 7: didn't necessarily want to do, you would always give me that.

907
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 7: All right, man, all right, you sure, but you would

908
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 7: always you would always follow through and you would always

909
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 7: do the thing I was asking of you. And I

910
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 7: can't tell you how much I appreciate you. Appreciate you

911
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 7: for that and how much you've contributed to what we

912
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 7: do here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. I think there's

913
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Speaker 7: a whole generation of content creators that exist because of

914
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 7: what you did on Dallas Cowboys dot com. Man, So

915
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 7: congrats to you. Good luck in the new in the

916
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,720
Speaker 7: new adventure. Think you guys are going to do awesome

917
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 7: with the things you're gonna that you are They're already

918
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 7: doing by Friday. I think you guys are gonna do

919
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 7: a great job of me. I just wanted to say

920
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 7: on air personally and publicly how much I.

921
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Speaker 3: Appreciate you well, thank you, and quick. I thank you

922
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 3: so much for that call way back in twenty eleven

923
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Speaker 3: to ask me if I was available, and you know,

924
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 3: I really appreciate I wouldn't be where I'm at today

925
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 3: if it wasn't for Dallas Cowboys dot Com. So oh

926
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 3: a lot to you, to the Jones family, Nick Eatman,

927
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 3: everybody that's worked here. I remember when Ambar first started

928
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 3: and working with her and went into awards with her

929
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 3: at votch Is. You know, I love now working with

930
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 3: him full time. But like I say, it's because of

931
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Speaker 3: Dallascowboys dot Com that I'm in the ability of the

932
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Speaker 3: arenas that I'm in, So thanks to everybody out there.

933
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 3: Thanks everybody at the Cowboys, thanks all the fans for

934
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 3: falling along the good days the bad days. You guys

935
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 3: are the absolute best and uh and this place will

936
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Speaker 3: always be very very special to me that way because

937
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 3: it made me who I am today. So thank you

938
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Speaker 3: everybody for that.

939
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Speaker 7: And I will say this is just to see you later,

940
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,760
Speaker 7: because I got a feel in some point it's got.

941
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Speaker 2: To come back around, gonna be back.

942
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Speaker 7: I do know draft weekend, though, You're gonna work with

943
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Speaker 7: his job weekend through one oh five out through the

944
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 7: fan who's our partner as well, So we'll have you

945
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 7: back on for draft weekend, which I'm sure all the

946
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 7: fans are gonna love. But but I'm sure we'll find

947
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 7: ways to work together.

948
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Speaker 8: So I cannot believe this is actually happening. I feel betrayed,

949
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 8: I feel hurt, I feel daff but I'm very happy

950
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 8: before you, Brian, super excited for everything that you're cooking

951
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 8: over there. And I will say, going back to when

952
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 8: I started, and I've told you this before. Literally the

953
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 8: only only only person here in the building since I

954
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 8: started that never made me feel dumb for asking a question,

955
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Speaker 8: was Brian.

956
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 2: I could go up to make field.

957
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Speaker 8: Well, you you've been my boss, so it's like, hey,

958
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 8: what is it.

959
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 5: I would not go to.

960
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Speaker 8: You for a question. This is when I started like, no,

961
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Speaker 8: I can't. But back then, uh, he never ever made

962
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Speaker 8: me feel stupid or dumb for asking a question. He

963
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 8: always welcomed those questions. It was always extremely helpful to

964
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Speaker 8: my career when I started, and everything that I know

965
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 8: about football up to this point, it all started because

966
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Speaker 8: Brian welcomed me in with open arms and was a

967
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Speaker 8: mentor in that way in the game of sports.

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Speaker 2: So I will think we'll always for you.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate quick learner there. Like I said, I always reminded

970
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 3: of what Sean Payton said about He says, work of

971
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Speaker 3: the Dallas Cowboys to know your name in China, you know,

972
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 3: so they do. They know our names world around. And

973
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 3: I have friends around the world now because of my

974
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Speaker 3: work here. So again, thanks everybody out there again, Derek,

975
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 3: thank you for giving me this opportunity to be a

976
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Speaker 3: part of this. Really appreciate that.

977
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Speaker 2: All Right, that is a wrap.

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Speaker 5: We will has to go by the way and go

979
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Speaker 5: ahead years ago.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back next Wednesday.

981
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 3: Our time to tune in you guys, fighting each other

982
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Speaker 3: without me being here.

983
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 7: Hey, by the way, feel free to call this then

984
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 7: I do you on one five. Text me in a

985
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 7: time and I will throw it into the mix and

986
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Speaker 7: be like Brian just and we will, we will reacts.

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Speaker 5: Got their man fire Yeah, text.

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Speaker 7: Menu all right until next week for Voto Lombardi. Brian

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Speaker 7: brought us Namgarci. I'm Derek Hilton. This has been The

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Speaker 7: Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio.

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Speaker 1: This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and

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