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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cultivating her Space, a podcast dedicated to uplifting

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Speaker 2: women like you. We're your hosts, doctor Dominique Bussard, a

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Speaker 1: Terry Lomax, a techie and motivational speaker. In a world

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Speaker 1: where black women are often misrepresented and misunderstood, please join

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Speaker 1: us as we initiate authentic conversations on everything from fibroids

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Speaker 2: Be Hey, lady, it's doctor dom here from the Cultivating

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Speaker 2: her Space podcast. Are you currently a resident of the

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Speaker 2: state of California in contemplating starting your therapy journey. Well,

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Speaker 2: if so, please reach out to me at doctor Dominique

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Speaker 3: Lady.

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Speaker 2: Today we are doing this episode about how to stand

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Speaker 1: and then I'm job searching and I'm like, God, damn,

436
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 1: what did I do in my last role? I forgot?

437
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 1: I know I have for example, but I can't think

438
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 1: of one, because who the hell is gonna remember that

439
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 1: years later after the fact. So right now, lady, in

440
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 1: your career, whether you're a student or a seasoned professional,

441
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 1: you should ideally be dotting down those instances of when

442
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 1: did I have a difficult conversation with someone? How did

443
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: I navigate that? When did I improve a process?

444
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:24,360
Speaker 2: Right?

445
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 1: What did I do?

446
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:25,679
Speaker 2: Like?

447
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 1: What is that example? So writing down those examples now

448
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: can definitely save your time in the future.

449
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 2: I love that, And what I think about with that

450
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 2: is having a journal. Right now, lady, you can go

451
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 2: on our website and check out our Cultivating her Space

452
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 2: podcast journal, and you can buy that journal and use

453
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 2: that journal for a multitude of things. But in this

454
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 2: specific example, we want you to use that journal to

455
00:24:54,720 --> 00:25:00,199
Speaker 2: document your employment journey. Right. What I have learned to

456
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 2: do is to journal about all the things, the good things,

457
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 2: the bad things, right, because what happens is is that

458
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 2: exactly what you pointed out, Terry. You're going to be

459
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 2: on an interview and someone's gonna ask tell me about

460
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:22,199
Speaker 2: a time when you resolve the conflict with a with

461
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 2: a superior, right, Or tell me about a time when

462
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 2: you took initiative.

463
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: Yes, that's a good one.

464
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Speaker 2: Tell me about a time when you received feedback and

465
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 2: what was that feedback. If you've been journaling about it,

466
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 2: then all of those things may be pretty easy for

467
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 2: you to access because one, by journaling about it, you're

468
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 2: documenting what happened, but you're also flushing out your feelings

469
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 2: so that when you're in the interview, you your feelings

470
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 2: and emotions attached to the example don't come out right.

471
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 2: Because we know these are touching questions, right, So if

472
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 2: someone asked me to talk about a conflict that I

473
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 2: had with my supervisor and I haven't worked through those

474
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:25,959
Speaker 2: emotions yet, it might be pretty hard for me to

475
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 2: contain those emotions in the interview. It might be pretty

476
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 2: hard for me to come from a neutral space as

477
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 2: I'm presenting the information. And then the message that that

478
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 2: sends to my future employer is that I have some

479
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 2: unresolved issues and I might not be suitable for this

480
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 2: job if this is a job where we are constantly

481
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 2: giving feedback or we might be at odds and having

482
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Speaker 2: differences of opinion.

483
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: Come on, doctor Dom, see, I never even thought about

484
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 1: it like that, But I love I love the therapists

485
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: and psychologist approach that you added and there that's really

486
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: important because people can pick up on energy and you

487
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: start talking about that one instance, and yeah, I started

488
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: rolling your head, you know, just like the subconsciou stuff

489
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: that you're saying. Shit, I didn't really do my work

490
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 1: around this, like it's still lingering. So that's a really

491
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: good point. So Dom and I are going to answer

492
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: two questions before we dive into common sense that ain't

493
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 1: so common. Okay, and also, if you want to go

494
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: to the website and get your journal, girl, it's Herspace

495
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: podcast dot com. Okay. So the first question for us

496
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 1: that we're going to answer is what's the most extra

497
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: thing you've done to stand out in a job interview?

498
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 2: All right, So, just to refresh our memory, extra is enthusiastic,

499
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 2: X factor, tactical, refreshing, anecdotal. All right, So what I

500
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 2: recall the most extra thing that I do in my

501
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 2: most recent job interview, So a shout out to my

502
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 2: folks who might be listening right now. Okay, I think

503
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 2: I had just finished doing my job talk or.

504
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: What is the job talk time? Just for people that

505
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: may not know.

506
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 2: So, a job talk is a presentation, and usually you

507
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 2: may be a depending on the role that you're applying for,

508
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 2: you might be given a prompt ahead of time and

509
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 2: you have to present based on that prompt that they

510
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 2: provide you. Right for certain faculty roles, a job talk

511
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 2: is where you present your research so that folks have

512
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 2: a sense of what it is that you'll be working

513
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: on if you were to come to that institution.

514
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Speaker 1: I love it. Okay.

515
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: So in the interview, so I had finished the job

516
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 2: talk and people were going around asking questions, and then

517
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 2: someone asked, well, and it's a standard question, what's something

518
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 2: else about you that we haven't asked yet? Right? And

519
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 2: my response was, I am unapologetically black, and I am

520
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 2: here for black people something to that effect.

521
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: Yes, I love that. I have to ask, is that

522
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: something that you would have felt comfortable saying in the

523
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,959
Speaker 1: beginning of your career for a role or is it

524
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: something that you have become comfortable with because of who

525
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: you have evolved to be today.

526
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 2: I would say I've become comfortable with that because of

527
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 2: who I've evolved Tokay, And I also know that earlier

528
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 2: in my career one we were in a different time period, okay,

529
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 2: And some of the roles that I was applying for

530
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 2: earlier in my career weren't I don't want to say

531
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 2: they weren't specific, but I mean essentially, like this role

532
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 2: that I applied for was specifically around being a black psychologist,

533
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 2: right and so context is also important, right and so,

534
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 2: and so I decided that was gonna be my extra right.

535
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 2: That was throughout the interview, throughout the job talk, I

536
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 2: was very enthusiastic about what I was presenting. Yeah, and

537
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 2: I made sure that I like in that last thing,

538
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: I hadn't even it wasn't something I had planned to say.

539
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 2: My hope was that throughout my presentation, I was communicating

540
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 2: that I am unapologetically black.

541
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Speaker 1: I love that, but.

542
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,239
Speaker 2: I wanted but when that question came up, that was

543
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 2: just what was on my my heart and the moment, like,

544
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 2: I need y'all to know that this is who I am,

545
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 2: this is what you're gonna get. And but I also

546
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 2: recognize that part of that goes back to what I

547
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 2: was saying before about you interviewing them as much as

548
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 2: they're interviewing you, Right, Like, I need them to understand

549
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 2: that that's who I am, that's how I show up,

550
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: and if that would be a problem for them, then

551
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 2: they can rule me out as a candidate. Right.

552
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: I fucking love that. I love the unapologeticness of it.

553
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: I love the if that's even a word. I love

554
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: the boldness. I love that so much because, like you said,

555
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: you're vetting them just as well as they're vetting you. Now,

556
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: my example, I'm gonna get my little book that I created,

557
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: But it's not like DoD y'all. However, this is back

558
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: when I was applying for a grad assistantship and I

559
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: was at this conference where they were interviewing thousands. Like

560
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: you would literally go from table to table. I think

561
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: it was called MAPSI on the East Coast, and you

562
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: will go from table to table interviewing people. It would

563
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: be interviewing candidates all day. So I was like, Yo,

564
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: how the fuck can I stand out? So I wore

565
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: this brightly colored dress. You know, I'm dressed in general,

566
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: but I had this bright dress that would stand out

567
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: and then I created this Well this is extra s

568
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: fuck y'all. So it's this book dom It's called The

569
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: Inside Scoop on Terry Lomax.

570
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 2: Right, girl.

571
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: I went to Michael's and got all this stuff and

572
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: what I did was thank you girls so and they

573
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: were like so into it. People were like, oh, can

574
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: I keep this? And what I have on the inside

575
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: is like pictures of me doing reds life stuff, so

576
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: me as a as an RA doing programs with my students,

577
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: like actual pictures. So it's not like, oh, this is

578
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: theoretically she could do this. It's like, no, I do this, okay.

579
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: I worked at several different universities, University of South Florida,

580
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: University of Maryland, Eastern Shore, Cookstown. I put all of

581
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: my IDs in here. I got my diversity and Inclusion statement.

582
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: I mean it go I go in and I was like, oh, yeah,

583
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: they're gonna somebody's gonna hire me. Okay, I'm gonna stand

584
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: out and someone's gonna hire me. And I think something

585
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: like this for at that stage that I was in

586
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: my life, like it made sense for me to do that.

587
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that now for my job search, just

588
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: because I have a lot of experience. I have other

589
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: things that I can use to like highlight my X factor.

590
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: But for me at that time, that was super useful

591
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: and it worked. I had a lot of different offers.

592
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 2: I love that because I also think about the context, right,

593
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: the setting that you're in in student affairs, that's what

594
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 2: they like to see, rightly. They like the colorfulness, they

595
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: like the craftiness. And because what that also showed is

596
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 2: that you're willing to think outside the box to meet

597
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 2: the need. Right, I love that. I love that girl.

598
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 2: All right, so now we we we talked about the

599
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 2: standout thing in a good way, in an amazing way. Right,

600
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Speaker 2: but oh all right, worst job interview ever?

601
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Speaker 1: All right, girl, let me just go back. We want

602
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: to go back. Okay. I was I was like fifteen

603
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: or sixteen at the time in Philly, trying to get

604
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: my first job. There was this program called work Ready,

605
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,479
Speaker 1: like for students that were trying to Yeah, a work

606
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: ready program, and I remember going in for a mock interview.

607
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: So I was always like trying to do my business

608
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: business looks. I always had a good suit in my closet,

609
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: you know, Yes, Sunday's best. You know how we do, y'all.

610
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: So I went in for this little mock interview, and

611
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: I remember this guy. I don't know if my fifteen

612
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: year OLDLF was trying to impress him or what, but

613
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: I remember being in the interview with this older black

614
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: guy and he was like, he asked me some question, y'all.

615
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 1: And I said that, I mean, I don't I try

616
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: not to judge myself to say I said the dumbest

617
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 1: thing I re said in my life in the interview.

618
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: And I was like, I think he said something like

619
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: tell me something about yourself. I wouldn't know from like

620
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: your resume or something. And I was like, yeah, now,

621
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 1: don't get.

622
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,720
Speaker 2: Ready to laugh, okay, okay, okay.

623
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: So I was like, yeah, I'm a really nice person. Okay, okay,

624
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: let me get together. I said, I'm a really nice

625
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: person as long as you don't get on my bad side.

626
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 2: Y'all said that an interview, you said, and.

627
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: I'm a clever, not a fighter. So just and I'm

628
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: a and I'm a pair of crying. I'm a lover,

629
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:02,919
Speaker 1: not a fighter. I'm over over the front and talking

630
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: about something. You know, I'm a nice person, but only

631
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: if you don't get on my bad side, and I

632
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: was like, why the fuck would I say that in

633
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Speaker 1: an interview? But let me just say, lady, that shows

634
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: that there's growth. Okay, so you can be you can

635
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: start off wrong and messy and then you can evolve. Okay.

636
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: So that that is my worst experience. I don't know

637
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: if you could talk that girl, because that was super

638
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 1: freaking embarrassing. Yeah, child, Oh my god, yeah girl, y'all

639
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: go ahead, said it's good. Oh, okay, you fifteen.

640
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: I was fifteen, okay, fifteen, didn't know you know.

641
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: He was like, he's like, yeah, don't ever say that

642
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: in an interview. I was like, okay, And.

643
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 2: At least there was a back interview and not a

644
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,720
Speaker 2: real thing, right child. And I think that's why, particularly

645
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 2: if you are currently a college student, take advantage of

646
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 2: your Career center on campus, because they do mock interviews

647
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 2: all the time, and those mocking will change the game

648
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: for you because there are little things that you might

649
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 2: be doing, like talking about I'm a killer, but don't

650
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 2: push me in the interview. That is just not gonna

651
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 2: fly in a real interview. At least at least you

652
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 2: could say it in the mock interview, and they can

653
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 2: give you that feedback, right, or you can show up

654
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 2: in clothes and you know. And I now kind of

655
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 2: take issue with how we judge folks based on their presentation,

656
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 2: just because I know about folks who are struggling and

657
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 2: don't have access to certain things, and so, like, I

658
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 2: think about people who might not have access to like

659
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 2: a dry cleaner or an iron, an ironing board, and

660
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 2: they're showing up for an interview and their shirt is wrinkled, right,

661
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 2: and they get judged for that, and so but I

662
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 2: think about if you will have access to participate in

663
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 2: mock interviews, those folks who are conducting that mock interview

664
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: will hopefully be giving you that real feedback so that

665
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 2: you take those lessons and learn from those mistakes and

666
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 2: don't show up in your real interview like that. Yeah,

667
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 2: now mine is not. No, mine is not. So I

668
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 2: cannot remember exactly what I answered, but I just know

669
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 2: that the answer was not the right one because I

670
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 2: did not get the job. So I went I was

671
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 2: in either high school or college, and I was like,

672
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: I need a job, and I was like, I need

673
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 2: to figure out something. Let me try retail. I remember

674
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 2: applying to work at this shoe store on Canal Street

675
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 2: in New Orleans and got there and in the interview

676
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: they asked two questions, one about my availability, and then

677
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 2: the other question was about they gave an ethical situation right,

678
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 2: and it was like, if you saw a coworker stealing

679
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 2: from the petty cash, what would you do right now?

680
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,919
Speaker 2: The answer that they're looking for is that they want

681
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 2: you to tell a manager because they shouldn't be stealing, right.

682
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: I feel like I was like, well.

683
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 2: I mean I might talk to him. My response was

684
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 2: something like I might talk to him first, or I

685
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 2: mean if they said they were going to put it

686
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 2: back like something like where I was like really trying

687
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 2: to take into account the person's personal circumstances and forgetting that, like,

688
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:53,760
Speaker 2: you can't do that job. I ain't snitch right, like no,

689
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 2: and these people might need it, like they needed more

690
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 2: than this billion dollar company, like exactly, but obviously that

691
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 2: is not the ethical thing to do. And so I

692
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 2: did not get that job because I think the other

693
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 2: part of the thing that messed me up was I

694
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 2: think they asked about availability, and I might have said

695
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,919
Speaker 2: something slick, something smart about being in college and having

696
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 2: a life and so like you know, like I didn't

697
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 2: say it exactly like that. But basically my response was

698
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 2: telling them you ain't my top priority.

699
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 1: I'm busy. I got stuff to do.

700
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 2: Right, And so I think responses like that, well one obviously,

701
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 2: like the first response to the ethical question was not,

702
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,280
Speaker 2: that's just not what you do, right, Yeah, And also

703
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 2: I know that like I also did not wasn't taking

704
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 2: that job seriously? Right, It was like, I mean, I'm

705
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 2: in college, like I need some extra money, like like

706
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 2: I'm I like, like I want the discount, Like let's

707
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: just get this is going right, we stop cute or whatever.

708
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: But I feel you. That's so funny though, because you

709
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, I feel you, Like yo, I'm considering

710
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: the person's background and what they're going through, all right, lady.

711
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: Well hopefully you were able to laugh a little bit

712
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: with us as we answer those questions. And what we're

713
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: gonna do now is we're going to cover very quickly

714
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: some common sense that may not be so common. So

715
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: if you are listening to this and you're like the

716
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: Terry and Dom, just know that we're saying it for

717
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: a reason. Okay, saying it for a reason, because we've

718
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,280
Speaker 1: done singing some things. So the first part is again,

719
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: this is common right, common sense, you would think, do

720
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 1: your research so understand the role that you're applying for

721
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: the company, what they do, what they don't do. I know,

722
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: for me personally, I am super organized in general, but

723
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: like currently I use a sauna, but back in the day,

724
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,240
Speaker 1: I was using like Google Drive. I have a folder

725
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: for each to the companies, each of the interviews. I'm

726
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: like meticulously going over all my content to make sure

727
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: I understand the role, understand what the company does, I

728
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: understand who their competitors are. Just I have a cheat

729
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: sheet for each of the interviews that I have because

730
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 1: it's important to do your research because once they find

731
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: out that you don't, Like we've had people apply for

732
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: our open roles they don't have the right title, So

733
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: it's like paying attention to detail is super important for

734
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: the roles that we're hiring for. If you don't even

735
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: know the jobs, howle and you get that wrong, it

736
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: just shows that you're It says to us that you

737
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: don't care and you're not taking the time to do

738
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,720
Speaker 1: the research and understand what you're applying for. And although

739
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: that may not be the case, you may be rush,

740
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 1: you may have a lot going on in life comes

741
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: across exactly and it's the first impression. So do your research.

742
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 2: Yes, I wholeheartedly second that because I think about Also,

743
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 2: if you do your research, you might also learn that, Okay,

744
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 2: maybe this job is not the job for you. And

745
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 2: so even though I'm in need of a job right now,

746
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 2: based on the overall culture that I'm picking up from

747
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 2: just from reading MM, this might not be the place

748
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 2: for me. So I'm going to skip applying to this one,

749
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 2: right and because it might be, like I think about,

750
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 2: like I've worked at private schools, some of them have

751
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 2: a religious affiliation. If that's something that's an issue for you,

752
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 2: that might not be the place you want to apply to.

753
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: Very good point.

754
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 2: So the next one, know what's important to the company.

755
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 2: So that goes back to the example that I was

756
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 2: just giving. If you are applying for a Catholic school,

757
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 2: right to work at a Catholic school, understand that there

758
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 2: are going to be certain requirements that you may have

759
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 2: to adhere to. And if that's not something that you

760
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 2: want to have to follow, because depending on the Catholic campus,

761
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 2: it may be that there's masks that you need to

762
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 2: that you're expected to attend, right if you aren't Catholic

763
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 2: and that's not something you feel comfortable with, then that

764
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 2: that place is not the place for you.

765
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: Now you hit the nail on the head with that.

766
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go right on to the next one

767
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: because you covered it. The next one is network, and

768
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: I truly believe that you should network before you need

769
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: something right. And the thing about networking, We've done an

770
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: episode about this, I believe, and we talked about how

771
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: your net work determines your net worth. And I've learned

772
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: that even more like that is just true. That is

773
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: like facts right there. I've learned that and I've seen

774
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: it in action, even at this stage in my journey.

775
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: And the thing about it is people often talk about, oh,

776
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: it's about who you know, and yes, it's about who

777
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: you know, but it's also about who knows you and

778
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: what they're saying in your rooms when you're not around.

779
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: That's super important. And let me just tell you now

780
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: that I'm at the place that I'm in my career

781
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: and I'm job searching. This time around years ago, when

782
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: I was shop searching, I didn't like really make a

783
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: name for myself in the tech industry. I didn't know anyone.

784
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: And I struggled, y'all. The rejection was so real. And

785
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 1: this time around, people want to recruit me, people that

786
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 1: I know are looking to create roles for me. So

787
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: it's very different. So your network is so important, And

788
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: let me just say, network before you need something. Don't

789
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: just network to connect with someone to ask for something.

790
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: Try to network now and build those connections now so

791
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: when you do need something, it doesn't come across as

792
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: she almost reached out when she needs something, you know

793
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: what I mean, or like this doesn't seem genuine or

794
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: like you have the spirit of desperation because you're like, oh,

795
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: I really need to get this opportunity right.

796
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: Yes, And I would just add to that that networking

797
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 2: and clues for our college students who are listening. Network

798
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 2: means on your campus. Know your professors, particularly within your department,

799
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 2: because those are the folks who are going to be

800
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 2: writing your letters of recommendation. And so, oh, I struggle

801
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,919
Speaker 2: with when students reach out for a letter of recommendation

802
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 2: and either one they were not active in my class

803
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 2: or two I had them for one class and haven't

804
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 2: heard from them, don't know anything about what's going on

805
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 2: with them. How can I write a letter of recommendation

806
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 2: or reference for you if I don't know you.

807
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: That is spot on. That's why I used to always

808
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 1: see the professor and make sure they know my name,

809
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: and they knew who I was the beginning of the

810
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: semester and I would see them for office hours. So

811
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: y'all take notes, go see your professor. You better make

812
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: sure they know your name. Okay, all right, So let's

813
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: take some start to the next one, which is tweak

814
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: your resume and cover letter for the given role that

815
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: you're looking for. Now, I told you that we had

816
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:49,280
Speaker 1: the podcast operations assistant role. Right now, we did happen

817
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: to get cover letters and resumes to say I'm a

818
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: you know, customer service representative, excited to be on a

819
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: new team, and it was just like, that's not what

820
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: this is. That's not what this role is. And so

821
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 1: when you do things like that, it just shows people

822
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: that going back to research, right, not doing your research.

823
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: So I would say what I like to do is

824
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: I like to tweak the resume based on the industry.

825
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: So if I'm applying for like several let's say customer

826
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: success manager roles, for the most part, I'll keep it

827
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: the same. If I notice that in their job inscription

828
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: they use something very specific by way the language and

829
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: what they need, I'll add that to that particular resume.

830
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: So it is pretty tedious. It is a lot of work.

831
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,399
Speaker 1: I have a lot of files in my Google Drive.

832
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: But guess what, that's how you get the offers right.

833
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: People realize that's how you get the interviews in the

834
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: offers when they're like, oh, this person is paying attention.

835
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: Oh wow, they're offering exactly what we're looking for. Well,

836
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 1: they put a lot in the job description that you

837
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: can repurpose exactly.

838
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 2: And that's the thing is really paying attention to those details.

839
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 2: Like I said, I am a professor and a psychologist.

840
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 2: When I've applied to roles, when I've applied to faculty positions,

841
00:46:55,320 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 2: my resume or because of academia, my career and VITA

842
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 2: my CV, I switch it around to highlight my teaching roles. Right,

843
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 2: my cover letter highlights my work as a professor, my

844
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 2: work as a researcher for work for positions that are

845
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 2: within the college Counseling center. Then I make sure that

846
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 2: the cover letter focuses on my role as a psychologist

847
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 2: and that my CV or My resume highlights the clinical

848
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 2: roles that I have held, and so I have multiple documents.

849
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 2: I have one that might just be pretty general, I

850
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 2: have one that might just be chronological, and then I

851
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 2: have several to match each role that I hold right

852
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 2: so that it's easy to pull from. And then I

853
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 2: constantly update all of them so that each of them

854
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 2: stays accurate, because at the drop of a hat, you

855
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 2: never know when you need to submit things. Just because

856
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 2: you're not on the market does not mean that someone

857
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 2: won't become coming calling for you.

858
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,399
Speaker 1: Okay, you just might get up and recruited, or your

859
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: job might be dissolved. Okay, like it happens, right, it has.

860
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 2: Happens.

861
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: CNOMA is making all kinds of things, Okay, it sure is.

862
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 2: And so that takes us to our next tip of

863
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 2: knowing your value and what you bring to the table.

864
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 2: Because I am constantly updating my CV, I know what

865
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 2: value I'm bringing to the table. If you keep a

866
00:48:55,000 --> 00:49:00,439
Speaker 2: journal or some other record of your accomplishments and new

867
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 2: roles that you might take on, that means you know

868
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 2: the value that you were bringing to the table. So

869
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 2: when someone asked me, well, what am I bringing to

870
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 2: this role? I can rattle off a list of things

871
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 2: that would set me apart.

872
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 1: And it's spot on Downald. I want to say, lady,

873
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: as we're going over this, I want you to remember

874
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: to not despise the days of small beginnings, because I

875
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 1: think back to my first resume. I still have my

876
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: first resume, and it's so cute because I'm like, oh

877
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 1: my gosh, I was just starting and I was putting

878
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: things on there that I would never put on my

879
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: resume today because I have so much more experience. But

880
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 1: I think about transferable skills. I think about back when

881
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: one of my biggest accomplishments for myself was putting my siblings,

882
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: like registering them for school. Because of the upbringing that

883
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: I had and because of how life was, that was

884
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: a huge accomplishment for me in college to register them

885
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: for school and being up at the school forgot what

886
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: it's called, but the place where you go to register

887
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: them and sending their birth certificate, and the other big

888
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: accomplishment I had at that time in my life was

889
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: like cooking a Christmas dinner by myself. Like that that

890
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: was a huge thing. And so don't despise today's the

891
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 1: small beginnings, and you haven't become who you hope to become.

892
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: That's okay, you still have value right now, yes.

893
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 2: Yes, and talk about how those moments give you the

894
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 2: skills that will apply to that job today.

895
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: Let the church say, amen, you preach it and I

896
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 1: love it.

897
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 3: Dom.

898
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: That takes us on to our next one, which is

899
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Speaker 1: be true to yourself. And my thing is, don't present

900
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: a representative that you can't continue to represent. Don't be

901
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: putting on a mask. Should say that again for the

902
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: people in the back, Okay, don't present a representative that

903
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 1: you cannot continue to represent. So don't put on a

904
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 1: mask and put on this front like oh yeah, this

905
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: is who I am, this is what I do. And

906
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 1: then you're like I know this. It ain't really like

907
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: I really can't. This is not going to happen, you

908
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, I'm not excited about this.

909
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't fulfill the expectations that I said

910
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: I could, because then you get into another predicament that

911
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: you might have to do another episode. All right, we

912
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: don't want y'all to be in a space where they

913
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: let you go during the probationary period, right, So it's

914
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: really important to be true to yourself. Like Don said

915
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: in her interview, she unapologetically black. So that's suitable for you,

916
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: and you feel called to do that, and you're in

917
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: that space in your career and the time is right

918
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: and it feels right, then do your thing.

919
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 2: That part. That part, I think the next thing is

920
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 2: the next tip is read, read, read, read, read, read

921
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 2: the fine print and be as detail oriented as possible.

922
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 2: That fine print is real. Okay, so you're applying for

923
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:49,720
Speaker 2: a job and then the fine print they might say, oh,

924
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 2: this job is twenty five percent travel or this job

925
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 2: requires fifty being on your feet, not just made some

926
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 2: random stuff up, but I'm but I'm pointing that out

927
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 2: so that you know you have to read the fine

928
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 2: print because if that's not something you're able to deliver on,

929
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 2: you need to know that before you even apply.

930
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: You know, I just thought of too done. One thing

931
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: that I'm seeing these days is I'm searching is on

932
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: target earnings, and so there's a base salary, but then

933
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: there's like an on target earning, and girl, I didn't

934
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: know what that meant at first. I google this shit,

935
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: like just use Google, use your network. And so when

936
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: I saw on target earning, I'm like, oh, oh wait,

937
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: if it has the on target earning. Let's say I'm

938
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: just thought I number Let's say it's like two hundred

939
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: and fifty K, but they're saying at the base is

940
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: like one hundred k. Right, based on where you are

941
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: in your career, It's like, oh that that's a big difference.

942
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 2: Right.

943
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: So just understanding what the numbers mean and reading the

944
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: fine print is so important woo.

945
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,760
Speaker 2: And being detail oriented is also part of that as well,

946
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 2: because you want to catch every little thing that they

947
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 2: are putting in the job description. You want to pay

948
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 2: attention to the questions that they're asking because you want

949
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 2: to make sure that you're answering the question that they

950
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 2: ask and not something else like the example that you

951
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 2: gave earlier.

952
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: Yes.

953
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 2: So then that brings us to the next tip. Be

954
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 2: open to feedback and ask for feedback. Right when I

955
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 2: prepare for interviews, and even before I prepare for the interview,

956
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 2: when I am getting ready to submit my materials, I

957
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 2: have someone look over that because I want them to

958
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 2: give me feedback. And what I try to do is

959
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 2: have someone who's not in my field look over it.

960
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 2: So I'll try to get two people right at a

961
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 2: minimum someone who's not in my field, because if they

962
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 2: can read it and understand what I'm trying to communicate,

963
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 2: then I'm doing a good job. And then the person

964
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 2: who's in my field can read it and look for

965
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 2: the finer details that the search committee really might be

966
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 2: looking for that I might need to find tune, and

967
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 2: I have to be open to receiving that feedback from them,

968
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 2: especially if I want to get this job.

969
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 1: Yes, I love that DOM, and I am like, I

970
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: subscribe to this idea of never being too proud for

971
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:39,760
Speaker 1: qualified feedback. And I say qualified feedback because all feedback

972
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: is not created equals. Some people just want to give

973
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: you feedback and they haven't even done what you're trying

974
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: to do. So it's kind of hard to get feedback

975
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: from someone who hasn't bought a house. If you're trying

976
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 1: to buy a house, you know what I mean. So

977
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: when I say feedback, I think that when you don't

978
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: get accepted for a role or chosen for a role,

979
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: I love to ask for feedback then, like, what can

980
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: I do to be better? Even at this stage in

981
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: my career. DOM, I am always open for mentorship and

982
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:06,240
Speaker 1: feedback about speaking or workshops or whatever I do, because

983
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: I am a lifelong learner, I always want to get better,

984
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: So we do a lot of times. LA you have

985
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: to put our ego, you know, check our ego at

986
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: the door and get that feedback.

987
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 2: Right. The other thing that the one thing that I

988
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 2: also add to that about asking for feedback in the

989
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 2: end when you didn't get the role, is that sometimes

990
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 2: what you might learn is that it wasn't about you,

991
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 2: that it was something happening behind the scene, something else

992
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 2: that they needed or that they were looking for. Because

993
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 2: what I've seen happen as well is HR says that

994
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 2: you have to post this you know, you have to

995
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 2: post this position, and you have to interview five candidates,

996
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 2: right right, even though you have someone in house who

997
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:57,240
Speaker 2: you want in that role. Yeah, And so what happens

998
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 2: is you might be extremely qualif five and did nothing

999
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 2: wrong in your interview, but they had the role in mind,

1000
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 2: already had the role in mind for someone else. And

1001
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 2: so when you get so when you ask for feedback,

1002
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 2: know that sometimes they'll say that it wasn't about you.

1003
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 2: You did a great job, we needed to move in

1004
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 2: a different direction.

1005
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: That's a good point, on very good point. I don't

1006
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 1: like when people do that. Of course, I think no

1007
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 1: one is a fan of that, but that's very true.

1008
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 1: That is a protest. Does happened that as a pro

1009
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: tip for sure. So now it's time for us to

1010
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: dive into the cover letter best practices. So let's just

1011
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 1: dive right on them. The first is to highlight skill

1012
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: sets that are most applicable to the position.

1013
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 2: Yes, please do. If you are applying for headschef and

1014
00:56:54,200 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 2: you have had jobs working at as the nay d

1015
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 2: or waitress, right, you might talk about how those experiences

1016
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 2: some of the skill sets that you need. You might

1017
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 2: want to take that and put that in the cover

1018
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 2: letter about how your experience in these roles in the

1019
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 2: restaurant industry make you qualify more so than some other

1020
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 2: candidates for this head chef role.

1021
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,919
Speaker 1: Now the next one here, I want to just talk

1022
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: about formatting. And this again there's I was going to

1023
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: say there's no right or wrong answer here, but there

1024
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: is a wrong answer. But I will say this is

1025
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: my style and this is what I do. It's not

1026
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 1: you know, the Bible, but this is my style.

1027
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 2: Right.

1028
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: So I like to start off the cover letter by

1029
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: thanking them and showing my interests and actually stating my interest.

1030
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,439
Speaker 1: Then I go into why I believe I'm a great fit.

1031
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: I didn like to use bullet points personally, and I

1032
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: give examples like I have in my cover letter I

1033
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: have up on screen over the course of my career,

1034
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: I have and I give three examples of what I've

1035
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: actually done that speaks to exactly what they're looking for.

1036
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: And then I close it off with the thank you

1037
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: and sign off and my personal I know cover letters

1038
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: are annoying. Let me just say that I get it

1039
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: because I know a lot of times people are like, oh,

1040
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: roll my eyes, I ain't doing a cover letter. I

1041
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: don't feel like doing it. Once you get a good template, though,

1042
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: you can tweak it and you're good to go. So

1043
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: I really do believe that submitting a cover letter every

1044
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 1: single time, that's just my best practice because it makes

1045
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 1: you stand out. Because most people ain't gonna do that shit.

1046
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: They're like, this is too much work, I don't feel

1047
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: like doing it. So I would say, do your cover letter,

1048
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: take the time, create that one template, and then you

1049
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:43,919
Speaker 1: can tweak it over time.

1050
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 2: Yes, I agree with that, and I would also say,

1051
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 2: you know, as you are doing that, make sure of

1052
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 2: course that you always proof read. As you're changing templates,

1053
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 2: make sure that you prove fread. Make sure that as

1054
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 2: if you're applying for multiple positions that end cover letter.

1055
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 2: You make sure that if it's going to X University,

1056
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 2: that you put X university and not why University. The

1057
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 2: content may be the same, but you go in and

1058
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 2: you tweak it. Make say some things about X, say

1059
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 2: some things about why, and make sure they go in

1060
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 2: the right place. The last thing that we want to

1061
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 2: add is again making sure that you thank them, Thank

1062
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,439
Speaker 2: them at the beginning, thank them at the end.

1063
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 1: All right, ladies, So we still need to talk about

1064
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: resume best practices, and we still want to talk about

1065
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: standing out in the interview process. However, we know this

1066
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 1: conversation has become a bit longer than usual. So what

1067
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 1: we're gonna do is we're gonna chop this up and

1068
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: make it a two part episode. So you make sure

1069
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: you tune in next week for the rest of this conversation.

1070
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: It's gonna get even juicier. Okay, we're saving the best

1071
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 1: for last, So make sure that we see you next week, girl,

1072
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: same time, same place. Cultivating her Space and you can

1073
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 1: visit our website Herspace podcast dot com to get the resources.

1074
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 1: We're going to add some templates and actual copy that

1075
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 1: you can copy and paste for your own journey. So

1076
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: stay tuned.

1077
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Speaker 3: Hey lady, it's Terry here from the Cultivating her Space podcast.

1078
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 3: I'm hosting a free podcasting masterclass where I'm going to

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