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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's get into it. Previously on Deep.

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<v Speaker 3>Marissa and I were in our respective rooms when I

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<v Speaker 3>see a flashlight coming through my window, and then I

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<v Speaker 3>see several flashlights, and then I hear dogs. They're all

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<v Speaker 3>like knocking really loud, like O well the door, and

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<v Speaker 3>you could just feel the pressure, like, dude, they're going

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<v Speaker 3>to open this door if we don't open this door.

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<v Speaker 3>The picture that was on Fox two News, you could

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<v Speaker 3>see into the car from this helicopter shot and there

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<v Speaker 3>was a cup. You're like, that's Dad's Emo's cup. I

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<v Speaker 3>realized that my dad has done something wrong. And I

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<v Speaker 3>immediately started feeling like this is going to change my

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<v Speaker 3>life and my family dynamic forever.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in a darkened, dirt road in the Ozarks. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going like fifteen miles an hour because I keep getting

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<v Speaker 2>stuff caught on the undercarriage of the car that's dragging.

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<v Speaker 2>It's totally dark.

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<v Speaker 1>Whoa wow.

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<v Speaker 2>This is me last winter in a rental car in

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<v Speaker 2>a remote part of Missouri, and even with my brights on,

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<v Speaker 2>it was hard to see. The road kept twisting and

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<v Speaker 2>turning and climbing. And just as I was navigating all

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<v Speaker 2>of this, my phone rang, are you okay there?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm fine. I'm actually I'm good. I'm almost there.

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<v Speaker 2>That's my wife, Kasha, and she's been tracking my progress

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<v Speaker 2>on her find My app. To her, it looks like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just a little too far off the grid.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm totally fine. I'm totally fine. We're good.

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<v Speaker 4>We're good.

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<v Speaker 2>But I need to focus on this road. That little beep,

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<v Speaker 2>beep beep, that's the sound of my phone dropping her call.

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<v Speaker 2>My GPS says I'm getting close to my destination, about

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<v Speaker 2>to arrive, so it says we're six hundred feet This

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<v Speaker 2>is crazy. Whoa. I'm just trying to slow down here

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<v Speaker 2>to not destroy this.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, arriving.

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<v Speaker 2>How could we be arriving there's nothing here, old on,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a driveway.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm just gonna hope this is right.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd pull into this driveway, but I mean, honestly, it

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<v Speaker 2>just looks like a break in the trees, like a clearing,

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<v Speaker 2>nothing more, with a cabin at the edge of it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I see a shadowy figure emerge from the

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<v Speaker 2>cabin waving his hand.

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<v Speaker 1>Keith.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy cow man, you guys live out here.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't have any outdoor lighting yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Good to see you, Jake.

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<v Speaker 4>Nice to meet you, Jake.

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<v Speaker 2>He's just pulling right there, all right. This is the

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<v Speaker 2>man that I've traveled a very very long way to see.

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<v Speaker 2>Keith Giamanco, dad of Elise and Marissa, the twin sisters

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<v Speaker 2>who you heard from in the last episode. They described

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<v Speaker 2>him as a loving but kind of mysterious father, and

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<v Speaker 2>they told me they really had no clue what he

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<v Speaker 2>was up to until one day when he appeared on

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<v Speaker 2>the local news being hunted down by the police. As

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<v Speaker 2>for how Keith got here to this remote spot deep

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<v Speaker 2>in the ozarks, well, that's a very long story, and

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<v Speaker 2>really it's the story i'd come to hear from myself,

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<v Speaker 2>from Keith in his own words.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, likewise, major, come here.

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<v Speaker 2>Lots of dogs.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh you're you're?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I mean, I've traveled some and you guys

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<v Speaker 2>are you guys are back there.

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<v Speaker 4>Sitting I'm right with you. Get an adjustment.

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<v Speaker 2>Keith leads me towards the cabin. All around us their

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<v Speaker 2>goats and dogs and heaps of snow. The cabin itself

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<v Speaker 2>is very orderly. There's a set of rakes leaned up

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<v Speaker 2>against the outside wall, perfectly aligned, arranged just so. Once

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<v Speaker 2>we're inside, we sit down by a fire crackling in

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<v Speaker 2>a wood burning stove.

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<v Speaker 4>My day is pretty much spent here. I tend to,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, the animals, and cleaning up the house, doing

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<v Speaker 4>laundry and things like that. And I'm good with that.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I did it before, you know, when I

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<v Speaker 4>was a single parent. So it's not anything that that

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<v Speaker 4>I begrudge doing. What do you do with the animal,

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<v Speaker 4>Oh gosh, everything. I watch him have fun a lot

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<v Speaker 4>that they like to have fun, especially the dogs. They

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<v Speaker 4>go in and out a lot and play outside. And

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<v Speaker 4>I love him to death.

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<v Speaker 2>If Keith sounds like a jolly old grandpa kind of guy.

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<v Speaker 2>H he kind of is. He's got this friendly Midwestern look,

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<v Speaker 2>short gray hair, neatly combed, a bright, almost boyish smile.

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<v Speaker 2>He looks like the kind of guy who'd stop and

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<v Speaker 2>help jumpstart your car. But appearances can be deceiving, and

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<v Speaker 2>I knew from speaking to his daughters that there was

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<v Speaker 2>so much more to Keith. In many ways, he was

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<v Speaker 2>the sphinx that drew me into this story, and I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to know who lived beneath that veneer.

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<v Speaker 4>Life is about you choices and moving forward. That molds

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<v Speaker 4>how you live your life. Those choices I personify that.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not immune to it, that's for sure. People say, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>you made a mistake. No, I didn't make a mistake.

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<v Speaker 4>Making a mistake is putting salt in your coffee instead

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<v Speaker 4>of sugar. I made bad choices. Those things were a choice.

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<v Speaker 4>They weren't a mistake. I purposely did what I did.

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<v Speaker 2>These choices that Keith made, they're what brought a small

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<v Speaker 2>army of law enforcement to his front door, and what

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<v Speaker 2>led to that police chase with the helicopter overhead, and

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<v Speaker 2>what many years later, ultimately ended with him here in

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<v Speaker 2>a remote cabin in the middle of nowhere. I'm Jake

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<v Speaker 2>Halbern and this is deep cover The Family Man, Episode two,

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<v Speaker 2>The Gamble. Keith was raised by a single mom. He

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<v Speaker 2>says he was always very close with her. She raised

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<v Speaker 2>Keith and his three siblings on her own. Keith was

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<v Speaker 2>the youngest by a lot, and in many ways, he

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<v Speaker 2>grew up as an only child, living a very solitary life.

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<v Speaker 2>His mom worked long hours at a restaurant, and with

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<v Speaker 2>the other kids grown up and gone, Keith spent a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of time alone in the house. He says he

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<v Speaker 2>barely knew his father at all.

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<v Speaker 4>He was a nonexistent in my childhood. He left when

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<v Speaker 4>I was six months old, so I only knew a household.

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<v Speaker 1>With my mother. What kind of impact did that have

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<v Speaker 1>on you?

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<v Speaker 4>It had a huge impact, because I made a vow

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<v Speaker 4>to myself and to them that I would be there for.

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<v Speaker 2>When Keith had children of his own, he wanted his

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<v Speaker 2>girls to have the kind of storybook childhood that he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have, a real classic family life. At the center

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<v Speaker 2>of this life was Keith's wife, Becky.

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<v Speaker 4>She was a very fun, loving person. She was an

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<v Speaker 4>excellent wife and mother, for the first seven years of

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<v Speaker 4>our marriage. She was a stay at home mother. She

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<v Speaker 4>was very attentive to the children. She was a wonderful

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<v Speaker 4>housekeeper and cook, and a good friend.

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<v Speaker 2>Though Keith was quick to add their marriage it wasn't perfect,

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<v Speaker 2>especially as the girls got old.

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<v Speaker 4>There was some rocky moments, of course, because our personalities

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<v Speaker 4>classed in a lot of ways, and she was sometimes

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<v Speaker 4>a difficult person for me to get along with. How So,

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<v Speaker 4>I guess I would.

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<v Speaker 1>Say her.

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<v Speaker 4>Her love for the home life wasn't constant.

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<v Speaker 2>Keith told me about the moment when he realized all

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<v Speaker 2>was not as it seemed with Becky.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember, there is a like a Founder's Day parade

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<v Speaker 4>in my hometown of flor Sent, Missouri, and everybody gathers

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<v Speaker 4>and you have the family over, and I wanted to

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<v Speaker 4>pick up a few things for entertainment purposes, and I

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<v Speaker 4>went to get a credit card out of my desk,

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<v Speaker 4>and she broke the news to me when I was

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<v Speaker 4>getting in my desk that every single one of them

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<v Speaker 4>were charged to the hill. We had nothing. We had

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<v Speaker 4>no credit of any kind because she had ran it

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<v Speaker 4>all up with drugs and alcohol.

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<v Speaker 2>Not long after this, Becky moved out. I kept thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about how Keith had described his wife to me, how

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<v Speaker 2>he'd paused and then very carefully chosen these words. Her

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<v Speaker 2>love for the home life wasn't constant. This, as I

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<v Speaker 2>came to learn, was a classic Keithism, a Midwestern riddle

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<v Speaker 2>of banality whose darker and truer meaning had to be

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<v Speaker 2>ferreted out. And I also realized that this was probably

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<v Speaker 2>the type of thing that Keith had said to his

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<v Speaker 2>daughters when they were growing up, a sanitized version of

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<v Speaker 2>the truth that was so sanitized that it was no

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<v Speaker 2>longer really the truth at all. Keith says that he

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<v Speaker 2>quickly embraced the role of being a single dad. He

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<v Speaker 2>cooked the dinners and did the laundry. Also put his

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<v Speaker 2>daughters into therapy because he understood that they needed someone

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to about what had happened. He also transferred

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<v Speaker 2>them to an all girls Catholic school, where he felt

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<v Speaker 2>they could get more support emotionally and academically. Without his

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<v Speaker 2>wife around, Keith felt that all of this was on

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<v Speaker 2>his shoulders.

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<v Speaker 1>What's that like for you?

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<v Speaker 4>Rewarding and fulfilling in a lot of ways, but also

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<v Speaker 4>very stressful and a lot of anxiety, and especially when

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<v Speaker 4>there's not the resources there to provide the way you want.

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<v Speaker 1>To for your children.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so let's talk about his resources. Keith had started

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<v Speaker 2>out as a regular blue collar guy. When his girls

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<v Speaker 2>were little, He worked at a printing press, coming home

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<v Speaker 2>each night with ink stain hands. Then, in the early

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<v Speaker 2>two thousands, around the time that his wife moved out,

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<v Speaker 2>Keith reinvented himself as a day trader. He cashed out

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<v Speaker 2>his retirement plan and started buying and selling stocks at

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<v Speaker 2>the time the market was booming. He says he did

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<v Speaker 2>well day trading, though Keith says that sometimes he lived

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<v Speaker 2>beyond his means. For a while, he dated a dentist,

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<v Speaker 2>and he spent money to impress her, going on trips

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<v Speaker 2>and dining out, trying to create an image of wealth

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<v Speaker 2>and success. For a while, it worked. Keith attributed his

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<v Speaker 2>financial success to how closely he studied the stock market.

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<v Speaker 2>He prides himself as someone who understands how systems work.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of people like to say, well, it's like gambling. No,

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<v Speaker 4>it's not like gambling. Gambling is a non calculated risk

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<v Speaker 4>trading the market. Anybody who knows anything about the market

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<v Speaker 4>and the way it moves it is a calculated risk.

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<v Speaker 2>Keith told me there was only one real trap, wishful thinking,

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<v Speaker 2>believing the version of things you want to be true.

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<v Speaker 4>In the trading industry they call it you know you

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<v Speaker 4>don't want to make a trade, and then smoke hopium on.

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<v Speaker 2>It, smoking hopium. I hadn't heard that phrase before, but

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<v Speaker 2>the meaning it landed immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>Hope.

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<v Speaker 2>It's useful, it's necessary even, It's what gets people to

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<v Speaker 2>try things that might fail. But Keith, he was talking

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<v Speaker 2>about something else. He was talking about the moment when

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<v Speaker 2>hope mixes with desperation and suddenly you're no longer seeing

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<v Speaker 2>things as they are, but as you need them to be.

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<v Speaker 2>By the fall of two thousand and seven, the economy

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<v Speaker 2>had begun to slide into what would become the Great Recession.

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<v Speaker 2>The market was faltering, and so were Keith's finances. He

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<v Speaker 2>was a forty three year old single dad and broke.

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<v Speaker 2>He owed about forty five thousand dollars in back taxes,

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<v Speaker 2>He was behind several months on his mortgage payment, and

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<v Speaker 2>he couldn't afford the tuition at his daughter's private high school.

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<v Speaker 2>He felt desperate, and he would soon act on that

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<v Speaker 2>desperation in a way that would change the course of

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<v Speaker 2>his life forever. When his day trading started to flounder,

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<v Speaker 2>Keith finally decided he had to open up to someone

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<v Speaker 2>about how bad things had gotten. Someone who had under

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<v Speaker 2>stand the pressures of being a single parent, someone who

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be too judgmental, someone who truly loved him, And

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<v Speaker 2>what better person than his own mother, Margie, who lived

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<v Speaker 2>right in the neighborhood. When Keith opened up, Margie listened patiently,

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<v Speaker 2>and at some point she made a joke, kind of

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<v Speaker 2>off handedly.

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<v Speaker 4>She just said, well, I hope you don't do something

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<v Speaker 4>crazy like, oh, rob a.

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<v Speaker 2>Bank, explicitly warning you not to do this. Yes, So

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<v Speaker 2>how do you flip that on its head and decide

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<v Speaker 2>that that's a good idea?

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<v Speaker 4>Because I started to do research, tell me, looking at

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<v Speaker 4>the FBI website specifically, and looking at how people got

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<v Speaker 4>caught and basically learning what not to do in order

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<v Speaker 4>to get away with robbing a bank.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Around this time, when Keith was really in the hole,

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<v Speaker 2>he decided that he should focus his efforts on learning

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<v Speaker 2>how to rob a bank. He soon became an expert

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<v Speaker 2>on all manner of things, including the use of die packs,

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<v Speaker 2>the positioning of security cameras and the best getaway routes.

0:17:30.356 --> 0:17:34.196
<v Speaker 2>Keith even figured out the ideal time to strike midday,

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<v Speaker 2>right after lunch when people were a little sluggish. Keith's

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<v Speaker 2>plan was not to carry a weapon, just a demand

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<v Speaker 2>note saying give me all the money in both drawers

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll all go home safe. Now you might be thinking, wait, wait, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>hold up, there's got to be another way. Why not

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<v Speaker 2>get a job, any job at all, working the counter

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<v Speaker 2>at McDonald's or burger king, anything legal.

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<v Speaker 1>I asked Keith about this.

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<v Speaker 4>You're going to work this menial job and it's not

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<v Speaker 4>even going to come. I'm close to covering what is due,

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<v Speaker 4>and you're still going to lose everything and you're still

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<v Speaker 4>going to be working at burger king. It made more

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<v Speaker 4>sense in football terms to get chunk yardage instead of

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<v Speaker 4>two yards in a cloud of dust.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it's like you're going for it on fourth

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<v Speaker 2>and seventeen. Yeah, absolutely, fourth and seventeen. That's football speak

0:18:36.436 --> 0:18:40.356
<v Speaker 2>for a long shot, a big play born out of desperation.

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<v Speaker 2>But that keeps you in the game. And that's what

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<v Speaker 2>Keith wanted, a big payday that solved everything. Only problem

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<v Speaker 2>was his whole life and his daughter's lives hung in

0:18:54.436 --> 0:19:01.076
<v Speaker 2>the balance. Eventually, Keith settled on his first target, a

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<v Speaker 2>Bank of America in Saint Charles, Missouri, and in November

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<v Speaker 2>of two thousand and seven, he decided.

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<v Speaker 1>It was time.

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<v Speaker 2>He dressed for the occasion in a green fatigue jacket

0:19:12.596 --> 0:19:15.596
<v Speaker 2>and a cameo hat with a wide brim that shadowed

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<v Speaker 2>his face. Keith parked a safe distance from the bank

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<v Speaker 2>and then got out of his car. Did you have

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<v Speaker 2>any last minute doubts before you walked in?

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<v Speaker 4>Sure? Absolutely, there were thoughts of aboording it, of course,

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<v Speaker 4>should I or shouldn't I do this?

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<v Speaker 2>But in the end he walked into the bank. He

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<v Speaker 2>looked around, and he felt relieved to see that no

0:19:41.836 --> 0:19:45.236
<v Speaker 2>one was paying any attention to him. So he got

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<v Speaker 2>in line like any other customer, and he waited to

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<v Speaker 2>see the teller.

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<v Speaker 4>I went up and I handed her the note, slid

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<v Speaker 4>her across a Manila envelope. She filled it with money,

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<v Speaker 4>and I turned around and casually walked out across the

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<v Speaker 4>parking lot to the car, which was behind the gas station,

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<v Speaker 4>and pulled straight out onto the exit of the highway

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<v Speaker 4>and drove home.

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<v Speaker 2>There's something so humdrum about the way he tells this story,

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<v Speaker 2>this total absence of drama, which is precisely what Keith

0:20:25.836 --> 0:20:29.676
<v Speaker 2>had been hoping for. This was his proof of concept.

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<v Speaker 2>When he got home, Keith counted the money, over six

0:20:33.836 --> 0:20:41.956
<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars in cash. After that first robbery, Keith watched

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<v Speaker 2>the local news and there he was captured by the

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<v Speaker 2>surveillance cameras in the bank. Did it stress you out

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<v Speaker 2>to see yourself?

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<v Speaker 4>No, it would have stressed me out. If I was recognizable,

0:20:55.276 --> 0:20:58.996
<v Speaker 4>that would have stressed me out. There was literally a

0:20:59.036 --> 0:21:02.516
<v Speaker 4>feeling of relief when I knew that they didn't have

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<v Speaker 4>a make on the vehicle, nor did they have a

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<v Speaker 4>good picture of me that somebody that I knew would

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<v Speaker 4>recognize me for the five thousand.

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<v Speaker 1>Dollars reward or whatever it was.

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<v Speaker 4>At that particular time.

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<v Speaker 2>Keith felt emboldened, and so he just kept on going,

0:21:23.596 --> 0:21:28.436
<v Speaker 2>robbing more banks and quickly became a middle aged Midwestern

0:21:28.836 --> 0:21:33.516
<v Speaker 2>master of disguise. He kept changing his outfits and he

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<v Speaker 2>swapped headgear, baseball hat, bucket hat, boonie hat like he'd

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<v Speaker 2>also rob the hat store and was now trying on

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<v Speaker 2>the whole inventory. Sometimes he wore a fleece, other times

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<v Speaker 2>a sweater or a sport coat. And then of course

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<v Speaker 2>there's what he did with his facial hair.

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<v Speaker 4>I would dye my hair jet black sometimes, and then

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<v Speaker 4>of course when I got home, I would pull in

0:21:59.596 --> 0:22:03.796
<v Speaker 4>the garage and go in and wash my hair. There

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<v Speaker 4>was even a couple of times where I would grow

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<v Speaker 4>a beard and then shave in the car, right in

0:22:10.916 --> 0:22:12.076
<v Speaker 4>the car, right in the car.

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<v Speaker 1>Afterwards, would like an electric shaver, no.

0:22:16.476 --> 0:22:20.836
<v Speaker 4>With just water and a regular razor, so I would

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<v Speaker 4>immediately become clean shaven.

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<v Speaker 2>By early spring of two thousand and eight, Keith had

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<v Speaker 2>robbed half a dozen banks and taken home about sixty

0:22:35.396 --> 0:22:40.316
<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars in cash, and for a while the authorities

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<v Speaker 2>seem clueless. But after the sixth robbery, a detective for

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<v Speaker 2>the Saint Louis County Police named John Bradley took notice.

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<v Speaker 2>One thing that I learned about Bradley right away. This

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<v Speaker 2>guy he plays to win. He's a competitor well into

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<v Speaker 2>his thirties and forties. He played ice hockey, played hard too.

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<v Speaker 5>Just being the type of detective I am, I'm confident

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<v Speaker 5>that I will get them, and I hope I'm the

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<v Speaker 5>one that gets them. I believe most cases can be solved.

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<v Speaker 2>Bradley responded to the scene of one of Keith's robberies

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<v Speaker 2>at a Bank of America in Fenton, Missouri. One of

0:23:22.756 --> 0:23:25.996
<v Speaker 2>the first things that he did was talk to the teller.

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<v Speaker 2>Her name was Shannon, and she was shaken up, frightened

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<v Speaker 2>by what had happened.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a very emotional experience when something like this happens,

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<v Speaker 5>when you're a victim of this, and that's who I

0:23:40.276 --> 0:23:43.636
<v Speaker 5>believe is the victim. Of course, the bank is a victim,

0:23:43.716 --> 0:23:47.236
<v Speaker 5>but it's just money. The tellers are the ones of

0:23:47.316 --> 0:23:50.596
<v Speaker 5>the true victims, because other ones face to face with somebody,

0:23:51.156 --> 0:23:55.436
<v Speaker 5>not knowing how desperate this individual is, and not knowing

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<v Speaker 5>if this individual, for one reason or another, would suddenly

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<v Speaker 5>become violent and hurt them.

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<v Speaker 2>Shannon shared a detailed account of what unfolded that day.

0:24:07.236 --> 0:24:10.236
<v Speaker 2>She said the man reached out his hand and gave

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<v Speaker 2>her a note that read empty. All the money out

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<v Speaker 2>of the top and bottom drawers. She noticed that he

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<v Speaker 2>had thick fingers, dirt packed under the nails, and what

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<v Speaker 2>seemed like a freshly dyed beard.

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<v Speaker 5>She could see that he was very nervous. He was trembling.

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<v Speaker 5>That's a bad sign, you know, because when you have

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<v Speaker 5>a suspect that is nervous, he's unsettled, that can lead

0:24:37.836 --> 0:24:38.796
<v Speaker 5>to violence quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>In some ways, it was an odd combination of facts.

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<v Speaker 2>On the one hand, the robber seemed to be a

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<v Speaker 2>savvy operator who knew all the right things to ask

0:24:50.356 --> 0:24:54.916
<v Speaker 2>and say. On the other hand, he seemed wildly nervous

0:24:55.076 --> 0:25:00.276
<v Speaker 2>and slightly unkempt, with his dirty fingernails and poorly dyed beard.

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<v Speaker 2>When Bradley examined the surveillance video from the heist, he

0:25:05.436 --> 0:25:09.796
<v Speaker 2>was struck by one detail in particular. After the handed

0:25:09.876 --> 0:25:13.236
<v Speaker 2>over the demand note, he tucked his hand into the

0:25:13.236 --> 0:25:16.156
<v Speaker 2>middle of his jacket, almost the way you'd see in

0:25:16.156 --> 0:25:20.716
<v Speaker 2>those old Napoleon portraits, and he just left his hand there.

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<v Speaker 5>And by doing that, you're implying or indicating that you

0:25:26.236 --> 0:25:29.236
<v Speaker 5>have a weapon, you just are not displaying it. My

0:25:29.396 --> 0:25:32.396
<v Speaker 5>thought was, well, if he wants you to believe he

0:25:32.436 --> 0:25:34.116
<v Speaker 5>has one, he probably has one.

0:25:34.676 --> 0:25:38.116
<v Speaker 2>How worried are you that that's going to go sideways

0:25:38.396 --> 0:25:39.996
<v Speaker 2>and result in actual violence?

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<v Speaker 5>Very worried. I mean, you have so many things that

0:25:43.636 --> 0:25:47.996
<v Speaker 5>can go wrong that result in tragedy.

0:25:48.796 --> 0:25:52.556
<v Speaker 2>All of which made Detective Bradley think that now more

0:25:52.596 --> 0:25:56.116
<v Speaker 2>than ever, he needed to drill down and find the

0:25:56.156 --> 0:26:14.956
<v Speaker 2>man who was robbing all of these banks. Detective John

0:26:15.036 --> 0:26:19.436
<v Speaker 2>Bradley started digging through recent Saint Louis bank robbery reports,

0:26:19.996 --> 0:26:24.236
<v Speaker 2>looking for any details that might connect them. He also

0:26:24.356 --> 0:26:29.596
<v Speaker 2>starts talking to other agencies sharing info, and eventually a

0:26:29.636 --> 0:26:33.916
<v Speaker 2>pattern emerges. There are a bunch of heists where the

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<v Speaker 2>robber is a bearded, middle aged white man with glasses

0:26:38.276 --> 0:26:42.036
<v Speaker 2>who uses a demand note. He always asks the teller

0:26:42.076 --> 0:26:45.996
<v Speaker 2>to empty both drawers, and typically he wore a hat,

0:26:46.276 --> 0:26:50.276
<v Speaker 2>either a baseball cap, a bucket hat, or what Detective

0:26:50.316 --> 0:26:54.996
<v Speaker 2>Bradley called a boonie hat. Can you just describe to

0:26:55.076 --> 0:26:57.156
<v Speaker 2>a Connecticut Yankee what a boonie hat is.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, It's like a It's like a hat you would

0:27:00.276 --> 0:27:03.476
<v Speaker 5>wear to go fishing. It's like a brimmed hat, you know,

0:27:03.876 --> 0:27:06.396
<v Speaker 5>lures and things attached to the hat. Something that blocks

0:27:06.436 --> 0:27:08.196
<v Speaker 5>the sun kind of blocks your identity.

0:27:09.116 --> 0:27:12.636
<v Speaker 2>Detective Bradley became convinced that he was dealing with a

0:27:12.676 --> 0:27:16.796
<v Speaker 2>serial bank robber. Two weeks later, there was a similar

0:27:16.876 --> 0:27:20.436
<v Speaker 2>robbery in the same county. This time, the robber walked

0:27:20.436 --> 0:27:25.436
<v Speaker 2>away with almost ten thousand dollars in cash. Afterward, a

0:27:25.476 --> 0:27:30.076
<v Speaker 2>local paper ran the headline the Boony Hat bandit blamed

0:27:30.116 --> 0:27:34.036
<v Speaker 2>for seven heists, and that nickname the Boony Hat bandit

0:27:34.556 --> 0:27:39.756
<v Speaker 2>quickly caught on, turning this mysterious figure into a folk villain.

0:27:41.756 --> 0:27:44.116
<v Speaker 5>I mean, if you think about the type of person

0:27:44.156 --> 0:27:48.476
<v Speaker 5>that can walk into a bank, threaten somebody, and take

0:27:48.556 --> 0:27:52.156
<v Speaker 5>money and walk out and then do it again and

0:27:52.236 --> 0:27:56.396
<v Speaker 5>again and again, that's a very confident bank robber.

0:27:56.996 --> 0:27:58.876
<v Speaker 1>And what do you read into.

0:27:58.636 --> 0:28:02.516
<v Speaker 5>That somebody that probably isn't going to stop until he

0:28:02.556 --> 0:28:07.996
<v Speaker 5>gets caught, and hopefully he gets caught before somebody gets hurt.

0:28:08.956 --> 0:28:12.356
<v Speaker 2>The problem was, this guy really seemed to know what

0:28:12.396 --> 0:28:16.396
<v Speaker 2>he was doing. He had eluded the authorities pretty masterfully.

0:28:17.476 --> 0:28:21.796
<v Speaker 2>Each time he'd exit the bank, loot in hand, and

0:28:21.956 --> 0:28:26.076
<v Speaker 2>melt back into the suburbs. Just another forty something white

0:28:26.076 --> 0:28:29.956
<v Speaker 2>guy with a dad bod driving through a vast, mind

0:28:30.116 --> 0:28:37.916
<v Speaker 2>numbing expanse of Best Buys and Panera breads. Throughout the

0:28:37.956 --> 0:28:40.556
<v Speaker 2>fall of two thousand and seven and into the spring

0:28:40.596 --> 0:28:44.916
<v Speaker 2>of two thousand and eight, Keith continued robbing banks. He

0:28:44.956 --> 0:28:47.996
<v Speaker 2>did it about once a month. Sometimes the payoff was

0:28:48.036 --> 0:28:51.556
<v Speaker 2>a lot bigger than others, but on average, each of

0:28:51.596 --> 0:28:55.836
<v Speaker 2>these robberies earned him about ten thousand dollars, And I

0:28:55.876 --> 0:29:00.156
<v Speaker 2>really wondered how he just went home and slipped into

0:29:00.156 --> 0:29:04.116
<v Speaker 2>the role of being dad. Did you find it difficult

0:29:04.276 --> 0:29:07.836
<v Speaker 2>at all to look your daughters in the eye while

0:29:07.876 --> 0:29:08.756
<v Speaker 2>this was happening.

0:29:09.796 --> 0:29:13.516
<v Speaker 4>I wasn't very good at looking anyone in the eye

0:29:13.676 --> 0:29:17.036
<v Speaker 4>at that point. It's hard to look anybody in the

0:29:17.116 --> 0:29:20.796
<v Speaker 4>eye whenever you have this type of thing going on,

0:29:21.196 --> 0:29:25.676
<v Speaker 4>this dark secret that you can only share with yourself.

0:29:27.756 --> 0:29:30.956
<v Speaker 4>You can't share anything like that with someone else if

0:29:30.956 --> 0:29:33.836
<v Speaker 4>you do your head.

0:29:35.356 --> 0:29:38.236
<v Speaker 2>This made sense to me that he wouldn't be able

0:29:38.236 --> 0:29:41.076
<v Speaker 2>to look his own kids in the eye. But what

0:29:41.396 --> 0:29:45.996
<v Speaker 2>I still couldn't fathom was how did he allow himself

0:29:46.036 --> 0:29:48.036
<v Speaker 2>to get to this point in the first place.

0:29:49.556 --> 0:29:53.956
<v Speaker 4>I felt such desperation. I felt it was what I

0:29:53.996 --> 0:29:58.676
<v Speaker 4>had to do. And I know that's got to be very,

0:29:58.796 --> 0:30:03.556
<v Speaker 4>very difficult for people to understand. Yeah, it is, And

0:30:04.556 --> 0:30:08.236
<v Speaker 4>I really don't know what to say to that, because

0:30:08.476 --> 0:30:12.196
<v Speaker 4>at the time, it's what I felt like I had

0:30:12.236 --> 0:30:12.556
<v Speaker 4>to do.

0:30:13.396 --> 0:30:18.636
<v Speaker 2>At the time. Did it seem like a crazy idea?

0:30:18.916 --> 0:30:26.916
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it seemed very crazy, But also I felt a

0:30:26.996 --> 0:30:31.276
<v Speaker 4>sense of being so desperate that I felt it was

0:30:32.996 --> 0:30:34.636
<v Speaker 4>the quickest, easiest way out.

0:30:35.556 --> 0:30:38.596
<v Speaker 2>Did you allow yourself to think about how it could

0:30:38.596 --> 0:30:40.036
<v Speaker 2>go wrong, on what that might look like.

0:30:40.196 --> 0:30:45.876
<v Speaker 4>No, I didn't want to manifest that. I was trying

0:30:45.916 --> 0:30:50.196
<v Speaker 4>to manifest success. I know it sounds simplistic, but that's

0:30:50.236 --> 0:30:50.716
<v Speaker 4>the truth.

0:30:52.116 --> 0:30:56.476
<v Speaker 2>It may sound simplistic, but this whole idea of manifesting

0:30:56.996 --> 0:31:00.276
<v Speaker 2>it was very much in vogue at the time. There

0:31:00.356 --> 0:31:03.956
<v Speaker 2>was a wildly popular self help book published the year

0:31:03.996 --> 0:31:08.676
<v Speaker 2>before called The Secret. Keith had read it and embraced

0:31:08.676 --> 0:31:13.756
<v Speaker 2>its full lifelosophy. The book boldly proclaimed what you think

0:31:14.356 --> 0:31:19.396
<v Speaker 2>you create, what you feel you attract, what you imagine

0:31:20.116 --> 0:31:25.316
<v Speaker 2>you become. In many ways, it's a classically American sentiment.

0:31:26.316 --> 0:31:31.716
<v Speaker 2>What Keith imagined, as far as I can tell, was continuity,

0:31:32.556 --> 0:31:36.116
<v Speaker 2>the same house, the same school for his kids, the

0:31:36.156 --> 0:31:40.636
<v Speaker 2>same version of himself, mild mannered, self employed, holding it

0:31:40.676 --> 0:31:45.596
<v Speaker 2>all together in his mind. Protecting that life required only

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<v Speaker 2>a brief deviation, ten minutes of controlled risk executed through

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<v Speaker 2>the system that he built.

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<v Speaker 4>It all seemed very surreal, but the whole process at

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<v Speaker 4>that point got straight back to business of Okay, I

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<v Speaker 4>need to deposit this money out checks, and then I

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<v Speaker 4>got to go pick up the girls from school, and

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<v Speaker 4>then I have to mow the grass, you know, So

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<v Speaker 4>just get back to life at normal, like.

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<v Speaker 2>Literally, nor that was your checklist, Like, yeah, rob bank,

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<v Speaker 2>pick up girls at school, mowgrass.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's pretty much what it was. Were you anxious

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<v Speaker 4>about it? Once I watched the news, I knew I

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't gonna get caught.

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<v Speaker 2>Even with the money that he made robbing a bank.

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<v Speaker 2>About once a month, Keith came up short. He fell

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<v Speaker 2>behind on the mortgage, and he was in danger of

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<v Speaker 2>losing the house, the one he'd raised his kids in.

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<v Speaker 2>The bank gave him a date pay up or they'd foreclose,

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<v Speaker 2>So on the day of the deadline, May fifth, two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and eight, he robbed yet another bank in Chesterfield, Missouri.

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<v Speaker 2>It goes smoothly, no problems at all. The teller puts

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<v Speaker 2>the cash in the envelope and Keith walks out the door. Keith,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, never counted his money until he got home,

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<v Speaker 2>and when he did this time, he saw it was

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<v Speaker 2>just three thousand bucks, which he says is not enough

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<v Speaker 2>to pay what he owes the mortgage company. So he

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<v Speaker 2>makes a really bold decision. He decides to rob another

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<v Speaker 2>bank that same day, just a few hours later. Was

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<v Speaker 2>there any concern that you had that robbing the second

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<v Speaker 2>bank would put you an additional risk if you did

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<v Speaker 2>it in the same day.

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<v Speaker 4>No, Oh, in fact, just the opposite.

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<v Speaker 2>What he I'm not sure I follow me?

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<v Speaker 4>Meaning if you had never robbed two banks and went

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<v Speaker 4>on a one day spree. My feeling was that it

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<v Speaker 4>would be least it's back did to happen. Hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>And his planned it gets even bolder. He decides to

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<v Speaker 2>rob a branch of Bank of America in Saint Peter's,

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<v Speaker 2>Missouri that he'd already robbed five months prior. So he

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<v Speaker 2>was going back to the scene of a previous crime.

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<v Speaker 2>It almost seemed like he was daring them to recognize him.

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<v Speaker 2>But the crazy part is it works. Keith walks in,

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<v Speaker 2>does his whole routine, hands the telleran note demanding payment,

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<v Speaker 2>telling her to empty both drawers, and he walks out

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<v Speaker 2>with nearly eleven thousand dollars. Keith nets about fourteen thousand

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<v Speaker 2>dollars total that day, which is more than enough to

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<v Speaker 2>cover his mortgage payments, and so cash in hand, he

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<v Speaker 2>races to his own bank so he can get a

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<v Speaker 2>cashier's check and pay off his mortgage company in time

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<v Speaker 2>so he doesn't lose his house. He arrives at his

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<v Speaker 2>own bank, not as the booney hat bandit, but as

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<v Speaker 2>Keith Giamanco, smiling, easygoing single dad of two, all very

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<v Speaker 2>normal except for the fact that he was carrying a

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<v Speaker 2>burgundy leather briefcase with fourteen thousand dollars worth of freshly

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<v Speaker 2>stolen bills. As breezily as he can, Keith explains to

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<v Speaker 2>the bank teller that he needs a cashier's check. She hesitates,

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<v Speaker 2>like she's not sure about this request. Then the teller

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<v Speaker 2>calls over the bank manager, and now Keith feels a

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<v Speaker 2>flicker of worry, like, hmmm, this might not be good.

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<v Speaker 2>The manager looks over the teller's shoulder, studying the computer screen,

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<v Speaker 2>then lifts her eyes to Keith.

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<v Speaker 4>She said, my, it looks like you've been making a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of cash deposits lately. I needed to think quick

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<v Speaker 4>with an answer, which was I was gathering money to

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<v Speaker 4>save our home from foreclosure, which was an honest answer. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>by omission, there's a lot of dishonesty there.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct, Yeah, that you had robbed two banks earlier that day.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, absolutely, yeah. But the answer itself, on face value

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<v Speaker 4>was honest, and that's why it came so quickly. Just

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<v Speaker 4>tell the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>In the end, the manager signed off on the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Keith got his cashier's check, he paid off the mortgage,

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<v Speaker 2>and headed home, just another day in the Double Life

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<v Speaker 2>of Keith Giamonco. I was struck by what Keith said,

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<v Speaker 2>how helpful it was to tell the truth in this moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Lies in the truth have strange relationship with one another.

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<v Speaker 2>In order to lie well, you need to adhere to

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<v Speaker 2>the truth as much as possible, with a kind of

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<v Speaker 2>rigid discipline. You need to back the lies into the

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<v Speaker 2>corners or the gaps. Keith told me that he had

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<v Speaker 2>an end goal of one hundred and forty thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 2>and that once he hit this it would be enough

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<v Speaker 2>to pay off his debts and then he'd quit. Spoken

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<v Speaker 2>like a true gambler. I'm always skeptical when gamblers tell

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<v Speaker 2>me this kind of thing. It feels like a line,

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<v Speaker 2>something you tell yourself to reassure yourself that you have

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<v Speaker 2>a plan governed by logic and that you are in control.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of deception in this story, Keith, he

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<v Speaker 2>deceived a lot of people through his lies of omission,

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<v Speaker 2>as he put it, his neighbors, his friends, his kids.

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<v Speaker 2>But his story kept on reminding me that the most

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<v Speaker 2>dangerous lies are always the ones we tell ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Next time.

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<v Speaker 5>On Deep Cover, my partner and I at the time,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, we would go out during different times and

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<v Speaker 5>just kind of ride the area. That day, I think

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<v Speaker 5>we were out already when the call came out.

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<v Speaker 4>It was an all out onslaught of police cars, helicopters,

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<v Speaker 4>cars in front of me, cars behind me, blocked in,

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<v Speaker 4>weapons drawn.

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<v Speaker 3>I just was angry at the living of a double

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<v Speaker 3>life because that's what he was doing. There's the Booney

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<v Speaker 3>Hat bandit, and there's Keichiumanco.

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<v Speaker 2>Deep Cover The Family Man was produced by Isaac Carter

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