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Speaker 1: I verify that. I can't, except that's what Charles Grassley

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Speaker 1: you again. Last hour, I reminded you of Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: so what happened? Prosecutor's son of a bee, Joe says,

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Speaker 1: what happened after that? Well, Bisma continued to pay zero

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Speaker 2: No oil, gas coal, no Ukraine?

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Speaker 1: No? So what's Hunter getting all this money for from Ukraine?

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Speaker 1: What are they expecting in exchange for this? Now my

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Speaker 1: by Comer and Grassley is true and that Joe did

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Speaker 1: perform specific acts. Tell me what part of him demanding

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Speaker 1: want to use a legal term, is that bribery? Now

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Speaker 1: we have other tapes, it goes a step further. Now

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Speaker 1: James Comy, Jason Chafitz, I believe was chairing at the time.

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Speaker 1: right now. He's the author of the brand new book

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Speaker 3: Thanks Sean, glad to be with you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you know the tape. I've played it in

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Speaker 1: the last hour. I played it many times. Joe Biden

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Speaker 3: No, it sounds like enriching the Biden family. That was

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden was given an opportunity to deny or comment

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Speaker 1: You mean the seventeen tapes you believe are there? Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: Why didn't you why at this time when you're impeaching

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Speaker 3: You total totally agree with you, Sean. The other thing

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Speaker 3: Than enough enough authority. Now, your subpoena is only as

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Speaker 3: And when he issues those subpoenas, the atabs issuing a

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Speaker 3: Even Hunter Biden complained at one point, Hey, when it's

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Speaker 1: Also we know the incriminating information on Hunter's laptop about

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Speaker 1: You're right, he had to fight to get those suspicious

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Speaker 1: he's fighting now to get the tapes where whoever's possession

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Speaker 3: And what we also heard from people that reviewed the

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Speaker 3: Remember this, all this credible witness who the FBI was paying,

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Speaker 1: All right, So now the question is if you're James Comer,

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Speaker 3: We can't do what Attorney General Sessions did.

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Speaker 1: Well, how did James Comy get away if if they

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Speaker 1: But yet it became the basis of four PISA warrants.

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Speaker 1: Because I doubt Sean Hannity or Jason Chafits would get

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Speaker 3: How is it that somebody can forge documents, present them

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Speaker 4: How are you. I'm good, John, I'm agitated, but I'm good.

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Speaker 4: in the jurisdiction. At least there are some people who

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Speaker 4: you know, who support and love him. You know, trying

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Speaker 4: a case in New York, if you were upresenting President Trump,

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Speaker 4: you know, nine out of ten potentials.

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Speaker 1: Listen, Joe, you did the EG and Carol lawsuit, and

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Speaker 1: in that case, remember they weighed in they would not

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Speaker 1: say the word rape.

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Speaker 2: In that case. The verdict came back.

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Speaker 1: Incredible that by the way, I in New York, I

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Speaker 1: was shocked. I thought it was a slam done guilty, guilty, guilty, yep, And.

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Speaker 4: We beat them on the one thing that matters to them.

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Speaker 2: Rape.

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Speaker 4: They said rape one hundred and thirty three times on

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Speaker 4: that transfer. It's that trial. The first words that are

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Speaker 4: from out, why are you here? Donald? From rape? It

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Speaker 4: was a rape case and all they wanted was the

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Speaker 4: next day's headline. You wanted to be read ink into

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Speaker 4: the world headline rapist. Well that didn't happen, and it

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Speaker 4: was just more of the same, an access Hollywood tape

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Speaker 4: and all the stuff that was led into that trial,

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Speaker 4: and I don't think should have been let in. And

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Speaker 4: that's all the jury surmised and found. But they didn't

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Speaker 4: believe her claim that Donald for rape her, and he didn't.

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Speaker 1: And that was Let me ask you this, because you've

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Speaker 1: got Alvin Bragg in his case moving forward, both Alvin

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Speaker 1: Bragg and the Attorney General of New York, Lutitia James,

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Speaker 1: actually ran campaigns to go after one person, one man,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, one organization, the Trump organization, one family, the

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Speaker 1: Trump family. Is that the right thing for somebody that's

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Speaker 1: supposed to be impartial and follow the law to be

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Speaker 1: running on in a campaign.

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Speaker 4: Boy, you tie that one up. That was a beautiful

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Speaker 4: softball you just threw me. I mean that is so outrageous,

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Speaker 4: not even funny.

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Speaker 2: It's to me, it's what I'm trying to hit you

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Speaker 2: with a softball.

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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to understand, how do you campaign against

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Speaker 1: going against one family and one guy.

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Speaker 4: I know you're not to think about what you just

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Speaker 4: asked me. How ridiculous is that? Right before Alvin brand

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Speaker 4: is the prosecutor, before he has has his hands on evidence,

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Speaker 4: before he has a pen of power, he's a citizen

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Speaker 4: running for an office. He determined that priority number one

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Speaker 4: is with Donald Trump in jail, not just convicted, put

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Speaker 4: him in jail. That's on an interview he did, Okay,

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Speaker 4: how do you know that before you become the prosecutor,

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Speaker 4: you don't know the evidence, you don't have access to

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Speaker 4: evidence that's sealed by grand jury information. How can you

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Speaker 4: make a ridiculous statement like that? Le Tisia James the

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Speaker 4: same thing she's running. He's a private citizen running for

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Speaker 4: the office of Attorney General, said her priority will be

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Speaker 4: to go after Trump and his family really based on

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Speaker 4: what evidence which goes to show you it was fine

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Speaker 4: the target, and then we'll get the evidence later. Let's

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Speaker 4: deal with who we want to go after, and then

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Speaker 4: we'll back into That's what they used to do in

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Speaker 4: the days of Stalin and the days of Hitler. Any

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Speaker 4: you know communist China, you know, dictator who didn't like

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Speaker 4: his opponents. They'd find the target and then they try

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Speaker 4: and back in evidence to support that claim. But it

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Speaker 4: is outrageous that those two and it shows you a

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Speaker 4: little bit of a serious lack of judgment and or

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Speaker 4: intelligence that they would actually spublic the state that they're

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Speaker 4: running on a campaign to go after Trump. Easy to

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Speaker 4: do in New York, really courageous to do in New

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Speaker 4: York when you know nine has the ten voters vote

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Speaker 4: against them. But how can you say that if you're

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Speaker 4: going to hold a law enforcement office where law enforcement

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Speaker 4: has such enormous power and you have to use prosecutorial

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Speaker 4: discretion before going after anyone, You've already made a claim

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Speaker 4: and a promise. It's not just a claim, was a

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Speaker 4: promise to the constituents that you're going to prosecute Trump

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Speaker 4: without knowing a stitch of evidence. That's why we are

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Speaker 4: where we are. That's why this case of Manhattan is

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Speaker 4: going to be fall in my opinion, based on a

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Speaker 4: host of things, including selective prosecution.

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Speaker 1: Right, we can tell you now with Joe Tack of

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Speaker 1: President Trump's attorney, let me go to the idea that

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Speaker 1: they're trying on the left to get this judge that

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Speaker 1: was Trump appointed, we're accused from this case.

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Speaker 2: Will they be successful?

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Speaker 4: I don't see why they should be successful. I mean

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Speaker 4: the judge is a judge, right, I mean we had

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Speaker 4: a judge of Manhattan in the e gene rape trials,

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Speaker 4: which Jim wasn't a rape that was appointed by Bill

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Speaker 4: Clinton and very close with Clinton. So I don't know

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Speaker 4: that didn't seem to have an effect. That didn't he

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Speaker 4: could bother anyone, then why would it bother anyone that

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Speaker 4: he appointed judge. He's got social friends with the judge.

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Speaker 4: He didn't, you know, work with the judge. Wasn't business

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Speaker 4: parts with the judge appointed based on recommendations and qualifications.

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Speaker 4: This judges are very qualified judge and that all judges

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Speaker 4: are supposed to be fair and read the law properly.

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Speaker 4: There's no evidence that this judge, and shame on anyone

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Speaker 4: who suggests that she's not going to be fair and impartial,

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Speaker 4: because there's absolutely no evidence that she couldn't be fair

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Speaker 4: and impartial. She's a United States distrusts.

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Speaker 1: So they try to point out that in the case

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Speaker 1: she had put forward a special master, and the eleven

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Speaker 1: and Circuit, you know, push back on that, and she

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Speaker 1: eventually just you know, gave into what the eleventh Circuit said. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I would imagine that you know, this is

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Speaker 1: going to be one of those moments. I will tell you,

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Speaker 1: do you think that this is such a slam dunk

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Speaker 1: case that that clearly the Special Council believes it is.

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Speaker 1: You have, you know, charge stacking in this case, you

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Speaker 1: basically have the same charge thirty one times thirty one

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Speaker 1: separate incidents.

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Speaker 2: What is your take?

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Speaker 4: It's not a slam dunk case. It's a case. First

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Speaker 4: of all, it's a case that had had the impalented

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Speaker 4: grandeur and the bite is for the same exact you know,

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Speaker 4: conduct or the Clintons and Hillary Clinton in particular for

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Speaker 4: her field dosiating or for the easy But is that going.

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Speaker 2: To be allowed? Will that be admissible?

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Speaker 1: If it was in New York like the case you

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Speaker 1: just tried, it would be admissible, of course, not so

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Speaker 1: that that can't be.

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Speaker 4: But but when you say slam duncas, there's no such

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Speaker 4: thing as a slam dumb taste when you're basing your

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Speaker 4: your your entire theory on assumptions may be made by others,

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Speaker 4: or that you're making the assumption being that Donald Trump,

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Speaker 4: you know, knew he was doing something wrong. In criminal law,

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Speaker 4: you have to have the men's ray as they call it,

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Speaker 4: or the criminal intent to do something wrong. And for

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Speaker 4: him to be classify documents take home, most of which

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Speaker 4: were personal momentos obviously, and some documents that he believes

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Speaker 4: you to classified when he left the office. I mean,

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Speaker 4: it's not a slam dun case. And don't forget what

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Speaker 4: a jury can do. What a jury can do is

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Speaker 4: simply this. They can feel that if someone's being treated unfairly.

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Speaker 4: Now we as lawyers can't arguess, of course, but a jury,

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Speaker 4: and I've seen it happen before, if they believe someone's

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Speaker 4: being treated unfairly, there's no one that could tell them

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Speaker 4: they have to vote a certain way. If they believe

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Speaker 4: that there is a selective prosecution going on against Donald Trump,

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Speaker 4: where others who did the same exact things will never

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Speaker 4: even investigated, a jury could say, hey.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the judge would have to let those comparisons in,

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Speaker 2: wouldn't they?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, the judge is not going to let those

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Speaker 4: compai then, But we all live in this planet Earth,

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Speaker 4: where people are going to understand that. Look, if you

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Speaker 4: think you're gonna have a jury, there's never heard of

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Speaker 4: any of the Di Biden classified document stuff, or the

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Speaker 4: Hillary Clinton Steel doste or the Hillary Clinton private email server.

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Speaker 4: You know, we're not living in reality. There could be

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Speaker 4: people who are going to say it's not fair what

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Speaker 4: happened here. And I think there is a way for

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Speaker 4: the defense in this case to bring out the fact

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Speaker 4: that no one else has been prosecuted for these documents,

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Speaker 4: classified documents where they were recovered in other people's homes,

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Speaker 4: like you know, Vice President Pens, like Joe Biden, like others.

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Speaker 2: And Hillary was the worst defender.

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Speaker 4: Of them all. Yes, but unfortunately, unfortunately, you know, there

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Speaker 4: is a double standard, and that's the way. I was

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Speaker 4: going to say something a little more aggressive, but it's

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Speaker 4: a double standard. And look, I still think with a

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Speaker 4: Florida jury, which means he's going to get some people

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Speaker 4: on there who don't off the bat, here's the name

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Speaker 4: of the defendant and vote guilty, right, Because had this

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Speaker 4: case been in New York or in DC, there are

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Speaker 4: people who would have heard the name of the defendant

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Speaker 4: and said, good, he's guilty. I don't really care what

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Speaker 4: the evidence is. I think in Florida you're going to

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Speaker 4: at least.

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Speaker 1: Have a balance, well, you have the best shot at

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Speaker 1: a balance. And it looks like they're going to do

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Speaker 1: everything they can do to get to do their judge

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Speaker 1: shopping and get a more favorable judge on their part,

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Speaker 1: even though it's a random system. Joe Takapina, Trump's attorney,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being one of us.

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Speaker 4: Okay showing anytime