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Speaker 1: Welcome to Dirty Rush, The Truth about Sorority life with

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Speaker 1: your hosts me Gia Judice.

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Speaker 2: Daisy Kent, and Jennifer Kessler.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Dirty Rush.

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Speaker 4: I'm Daisy Kent, and I'm here today with my co

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Speaker 4: hosts Jennifer Wessler and Gia Judice. We are continuing to

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Speaker 4: discuss the unbelievable crimes and darkest moments from inside sorority

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Speaker 4: houses and fraternity walls. Okay, I actually remember this happening

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Speaker 4: because all my friends were like sending it in our

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Speaker 4: group chats.

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Speaker 3: But basically it's like out of frat party.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you can still like see the

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Speaker 4: video online, but I remember when it happened. But it

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Speaker 4: was Phi Kapasi and they were literally at like a

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Speaker 4: party like imagine like Gia, You're at like a party

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Speaker 4: in college, like a themed party or something like that,

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Speaker 4: and they like had like the DJ sands like set up,

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Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, this kid just like starts

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Speaker 4: on fire. It was like crazy, he got set on fire. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: like literally his whole body goes up in flames. It

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Speaker 4: about what happened from it, but prosecutors charged to the

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Speaker 4: four members of the Phi Kapaside fraternity in connection with

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Speaker 4: a frat party skit conducted last year that involved lighting

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Speaker 4: a fraternity pledges close on fire, which left him with

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Speaker 4: third degree burns. Lars Larsen, the student that was sat

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Speaker 4: on fire, filed lawsuit against the Phi Kappaside fraternity, the

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Speaker 4: California State University System, and two of his co defendants

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Speaker 4: in the criminal case, among others.

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Speaker 3: Saint alleges in.

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Speaker 4: His complaint that after the skit, the fell of fraternity

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Speaker 4: members provided inadequate first day by putting him in the shower,

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Speaker 4: wrapping him in an aluminum lanket, and waiting three hours

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Speaker 4: before contacting emergency personnel. After the fraternity members allegedly instructed

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Speaker 4: others to delete the video or group chats regarding the

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Speaker 4: incident in order to conceal what happened. The complaint states,

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Speaker 4: ares And suffered burns his legs back that required skin

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Speaker 4: grass and long term treatment for scarring and neuropathy. Neuropathy

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Speaker 4: is where you can't feel. So if you have neopathy

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like the.

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Speaker 1: Burns are so deep, probably right, like no sensational touch,

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Speaker 4: Also alleges that one day before the skit, he took

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Speaker 4: part in another skit that involved breaking a guitar over

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Speaker 4: his head. At the time of the burning incident, the

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Speaker 4: fraternity was on probation and connection to other a hazing

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Speaker 4: related incidents, and Larsen claimed San Diego State failed to

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Speaker 4: monitor the frat's activities and enforce sanctions against it. The

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Speaker 4: well document sid history of dangerous fraternity related conduct, as

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Speaker 4: cited in the twenty nineteen death of Dylan Hernandez, who

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Speaker 4: was oh, okay, I do remember this, okay, who was

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Speaker 4: consumed alcohol at a pledge party and then later fell

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Speaker 4: from the top bunk of his dorm bed and struck

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Speaker 4: his head. Okay, yeah, I remember this.

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Speaker 2: There was.

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Speaker 3: The guy was like at a frat party.

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Speaker 4: And then he went home and like fell off of

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Speaker 2: Oh god, I know, I remember well this one. They didn't.

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Speaker 5: They were told to delete their messages. And I remember

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Speaker 5: also with the Penn State that poor kid Piazza what's

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Speaker 5: his first name, Timothy, that they didn't they he had

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Speaker 5: and then I don't know, I feel like I remember

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so crazy.

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Speaker 4: I remember even in like group chats though, like some people,

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Speaker 4: like some fraternities had like different words they would use

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Speaker 5: I remember at UT when I was there, so the

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Speaker 5: two frats that we were off in match with ZBT

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Speaker 5: and Sammy. But ZBT was well known to be the

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Speaker 5: one that like if you wanted to pledge, like you

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Speaker 5: were going to go through it, like there were paddles,

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Speaker 5: I'm just thinking, like, you know, in these these my friends,

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Speaker 5: I mean this so I sound so ridiculous, but they

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Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely is really hard and I was just so sad.

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Speaker 4: I mean, even that kid having those like like those burns,

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Speaker 1: So he he went along with these skits like he

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean maybe he was rebellious in that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Did he know he was getting set on fire?

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Speaker 4: I honestly, I don't remember completely how it happened.

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Speaker 3: I can probably find a video like somewhere in my group.

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Speaker 4: Chats, because whenever anything happens at like San Diego State,

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Speaker 4: my guy friends and girlfriends from college, and in.

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Speaker 3: A frat party fire skit.

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Speaker 5: Those are words that you'd never want to hear a

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Speaker 3: That's very weird.

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Speaker 1: The criminal cases have been dismissed against the four San

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Speaker 3: Prosecutors charged the.

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Speaker 1: Four members of Pie Cap of PSI fraternity and connection

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Speaker 1: with a frat party skit conducted last year that involved

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Speaker 3: Left him with third degree burns.

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Speaker 1: So I think in a weird, twisted way, he knew

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like that he knew he was going to be

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Speaker 1: But he probably figured, okay, my clothes like stop, drop

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Speaker 3: Yeah awful.

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Speaker 4: If I remember the video, there's like a bunch of

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Speaker 1: So you know, okay, I'm gonna you know, if this

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Speaker 1: goes If this goes right, everyone's gonna probably think I'm

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Speaker 1: so cool. Da da da da, you know, like it's

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Speaker 1: it's who knows what was going through his brain at

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Speaker 5: The boy's brain doesn't develop fully the frontal lobe until

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Speaker 5: they're twenty six, so I mean, which I think a

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Speaker 3: But you think about.

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Speaker 5: That, like not even you know, until you're until a

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Speaker 1: Now he filed a lawsuit against the fraternity.

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Speaker 5: So many of these are so recent, you guys, I

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Speaker 1: And you don't. That's the scary part, you know. I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and like I'm sure like the schools too, like

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Speaker 4: I'm sure because like the schools don't want like eating

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Speaker 3: It's just sad though.

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Speaker 1: But now moving on to something that's not as not

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a Georgia sorority.

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Speaker 1: Girl seen smiling and mugshot arrested again weeks after her

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Speaker 1: second time in weeks. Lily Stewart, a sophomore at Alpha

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Speaker 1: at the beginning of March for excessive speeding. An officer

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Speaker 1: Stuart was found speeding in her twenty twenty one Volvo,

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Speaker 1: and when she was speeding both of these times, she

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Speaker 1: was allegedly going allegedly going to a fraternity party that

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Speaker 1: even then took her speeding cases to TikTok to address

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Speaker 1: her arrest and shared some of the most unhinged comments

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Speaker 1: at this article, she's a beautiful girl. Like she really

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Speaker 1: did look like Miss America in her mugshot. I don't

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Speaker 1: think I've everristen a book shot like that before.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to look right now.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it kind of sounds like she's just like

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Speaker 4: doing it for attention.

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Speaker 1: AI. Yeah, And I mean there's nothing bad happening.

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Speaker 2: There's no party, guys, as you know that important.

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Speaker 5: Yes, it's like there's nothing waiting for you at the

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Speaker 5: other end of this, but like bad news.

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Speaker 2: And I'm surprised she wasn't drinking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, she wasn't drinking. She was literally just speeding

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, even being in the back of an uber

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Speaker 1: of the wheel. And she probably just wanted to get

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Speaker 1: to this party. But like you said, Jen, no party

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Speaker 5: You're pulled over once and you think, all right, well

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Speaker 5: for get now that I've been pulled over, Now I

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeahmy.

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Speaker 1: No, this was just stupid.

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Speaker 2: Be better. Honestly, I don't even feel bad for her.

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Speaker 6: This is was stupid, just dumb, dumb, dummy.

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Speaker 5: Now. People reports on March eighth reported on March eighth,

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty five, a man was charged with manslaughter after

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Speaker 5: a student twenty died in an alleged off campus fraternity hazing.

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Speaker 5: Caleb Wilson, twenty, was a student at Southern University and

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Speaker 5: A and M College in Baton, Rouge. He attended an

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Speaker 5: off campus frat hazing ritual connected to the Omega Sci

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Speaker 5: Fi fraternity. During the ritual, he was allegedly punched multiple

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Speaker 5: times in the chest while wearing boxing gloves as part

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Speaker 2: Process.

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Speaker 5: He collapsed after the assault and later died as a

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Speaker 5: result of the injuries.

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Speaker 2: I could cry.

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Speaker 5: This is just so yeah, said people involved initially lied

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Speaker 5: and claimed Wilson lapsed while playing basketball, which investigators later

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Speaker 2: Authorities discovered the.

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Speaker 5: Incident actually happened at a warehouse used for the fraternity

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Speaker 5: hazing event. I cannot believe this happened in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: What is going on? Like twenty twenty five?

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Speaker 5: People are these frats are taking people to warehouses and

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Speaker 5: punching them And.

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Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, like come on, yeah, this is

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Speaker 1: again just so stupid. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So two Dartmouth fraternity members and a sorority have been

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Speaker 3: The Alphae sorority was.

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Speaker 4: Also charged with a misdemeanor violation of facilitating facilitating underage alcohol.

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Speaker 5: So it just it curs to me, like so interesting.

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Speaker 5: It doesn't matter. This is like an IVY Star Dartmouth

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Speaker 5: IVY League. I think Dartmouth is IVY League school. Yeah matter,

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Speaker 5: I think it's right, like stupidness does not like, like

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Speaker 5: doesn't matter how hard your school is to get into

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Speaker 2: No one escapes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah hard.

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Speaker 1: You know, when you're obviously all under the influence, you

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Speaker 1: Students decided to go to this river, and they all

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Speaker 1: you can always fake drinking. And I think that's one

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Speaker 5: To, do you guys have like at your age, like

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Speaker 5: I do remember saying this to my kids, but like

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Speaker 5: But also like I would always just don't you can't

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Speaker 1: Buddy system that was always like freshman year, I feel

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I have all those They didn't have the stuff

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Speaker 5: And they talked about if you ever anywhere, you could

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's good that they're like making these things to

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it really is. I didn't know before this, I

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Speaker 3: I didn't re say, I haven't heard of anything in

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Speaker 2: I know. I think that's very sad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all these stories are very sad. I think the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and definitely like don't peer pressure other peoples, especially

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you always have a choice. Of course, you know,

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Speaker 1: This is like my mom always nothing good ever happens

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Speaker 3: Okay, wait, that's what my mom told me angering up

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Speaker 5: This is a lot of this what we talked about,

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Speaker 5: it's just stupidity.

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Speaker 2: A lot of it is evil.

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Speaker 5: Punching someone in that chest like that feels it's all alleged, but.

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Speaker 1: You know, being in a violent relationship with somebody and

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Speaker 3: Believe your gut always.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like you're instinct, because nine times out of ten

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Speaker 5: Just and it's not they guess what being in a

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Speaker 5: you know, no, I just think about again, like Sammy

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Speaker 5: But yeah, scary stuff. You guys, well, happily you guys

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean too.

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