WEBVTT - 2025 NFL Draft Preview with Leger Douzable (4/18) 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:02.320 Welcome into the Official Jets Podcast. 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:04.720 I Eat, Breathe, and Sleep the New York Jets. 0:00:04.760 --> 0:00:07.760 My team that is a tightrope walk across Niagara Fall. 0:00:07.840 --> 0:00:08.600 That's hard to do. 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:11.200 SA name an inch is so finding that one little 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:12.320 inch to be successful. 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:13.400 It all matters. 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:16.639 The Official Jets Podcast is presented by Kendra Scott, the 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:20.079 jewelry company that's shining bright and doing good shop Game 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:23.120 Day Ready, jewelry styles and so much more at kendrascott 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:26.439 dot com. 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:27.880 Dude's a lot of things going on. 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:32.440 We're a week out from the twenty twenty five NFL Draft. 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:33.760 Can you believe it's finally here? 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:35.760 It's crazy, ea. 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:38.479 I mean I remember, you know, being an indie with you, 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:40.920 and I felt like the draft was still so far away. 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:44.000 It was like over two months away. And literally now 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:47.800 we're seven days away from the twenty twenty five NFL Driver. 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:51.640 It's just interesting, right because as the NFL schedule has 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:54.720 expanded and college has expanded, it feels like everything just 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:57.639 kind of runs up on you real quick. But I'm excited, man, 0:00:57.760 --> 0:01:00.320 seven days away from guys, you know, realize. 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:02.920 Man, there's so many things happening. 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:07.120 You just mentioned college schedule how about to transfer portal 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:10.560 and and i al and the NBA playoffs and the 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:11.600 NHL playoffs. 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:14.120 But football is king, Football is always king. It's the 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:15.320 National Football League. 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:15.640 Baby. 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:20.240 Right now, we're gonna get to a couple questions down 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:23.720 the line. We had a lot of participation when we 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:26.720 put that up on our social media accounts as far 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:29.000 as we're gonna be taking some questions during the podcast. 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:34.199 But as we sit here today, duce number seven overall, if. 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:39.360 The Jets stay there, is it amongst four players or 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:44.280 five players that you think ultimately the Jets will be 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:46.880 choosing from. 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:51.400 I'm gonna say five, and I'm trying to name them 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:53.480 for you right our mom Imbu the off of the 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:58.480 tackle from Missouri, Ted Tyro McMillan from Arizona, the receiver 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:03.880 Tyler Warren tight end from Penn State, off chance Mason 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:08.280 Graham falls a couple spots Mason Graham and I think 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:12.160 a dark horse one and our guy Ethan Greenberg, me 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:14.280 and him talked about this when and this is his 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:17.320 dark horse for the number seven pick. Jalen Walker, I 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:23.080 think is a real possibility at the number seven overall 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:26.799 pick for the Jets. Again, it would depend on how 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:29.800 the draft board fell in front of the Jets, but 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:32.440 a lot of teams are high on him, and I 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:35.360 don't believe he gets past pick eight with the Carolina Panthers, 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:37.800 so I believe he's pretty high on the Jets draft 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:38.440 board as well. 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:41.600 Wow, would Will Campbell be in play if he was 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:42.280 there at seven? 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:46.880 If the draft goes kind of how I think it will. 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:50.280 We all assuming cam Ward's going number one overall, and 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:53.080 for all intents and purposes, it seems like Travis Hunter 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:55.480 will be the number two overall pick. So if you're 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:57.800 the Giants right now, they are doing some extensive work 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:01.960 on Shador Sanders, but I think they would like him 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:04.399 later in the draft, maybe a trade back up into 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:07.680 the first round. Abdul Carter is a generational type talent. 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:11.120 I think they it'd be hard for them to pass 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:13.720 up on that, right, so I assume he goes three overall. 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:16.799 I think the Patriots are run Will Campbell's card in 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:20.720 because he's the most technically sound offensive tackle in this draft. 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:23.880 It's literally like he's on easy Street at times when 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:26.680 he's in pass pro, he makes it look easy at times. 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:29.200 I don't people will get at the arm length but 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:31.880 again with offensive line of defensive line play, it's all 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:34.920 about angles, right, offensive tackles. A guy that I went 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:36.839 up against in the league that's really good at still 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:39.800 playing at a high level Lane Johnson, Yeah, he never 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:41.880 gave you the same pass set. He gave you a 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:45.400 different angle every time. So, like when it comes to armlngth, 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:48.680 depending on your aiming point and how the offensive tackle 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:51.760 sets you, that armlength can be mitigated. Those two or 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:54.480 three inches if if he had longer arms can be 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:59.200 kind of mitigated because he understands what his deficiencies are 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:01.400 when it comes to the arm length. And Will Campbell 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:03.920 does a really good job of giving you different pass sets, 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:06.040 and I love the dog mentality that he has. He 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:08.800 finishes in the run game. So if you're the Patriots, 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:12.080 you're trying to rechange that culture and get back to 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:14.880 your winning ways. I think Will Campbell is a culture 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:16.040 changing piece for you. 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:18.920 So with that being said, you've been saying for months 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:24.400 that you think Graham his likely destination is five to Jacksonville. 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:30.640 So if you take Campbell off, you take Graham off, 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:35.960 then your left with Mambo Warren and Walker. 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:41.960 Yeah, and then outside chance, outside chance McMillan, So yeah, 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:45.080 I mean, you know me, I'm going trenches, right. I 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:49.760 think putting Arman Mimbo with our other starting four guys 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:52.839 would make one of the best young offensive lines in football. 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:56.479 And when the Jets had success in twenty ten, you 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:59.120 know twenty eleven, it was based off of a young, 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:02.760 aggressive offensive line, right, So I think that makes the 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:06.039 most sense. You have a quarterback that has a rare 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:08.680 skill set when it comes to his athletic ability. You 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:13.760 have three really good running backs. Aaron Glenn comes from 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:16.960 Detroit where they want to pound you into submission. Tanner 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:19.640 einstream comes from Detroit where they want to pound you 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:22.599 into submission. I just think the writing's on the wall 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:24.640 when it comes if the draft board worth a fall 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:27.159 like that, ea, that Membu would be the pig. 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:31.200 So we've shrunk the field of four and your point 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:35.320 towards Membo. How much do you consider because the Jets 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:39.920 are in the situation right now where you're always wanting 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:43.200 to go to best player available, but you wanted to 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:46.840 marry Need at the same time when you look when 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:50.120 you look at the Jets offensive line, how much do 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:55.480 factor in the equation the possible flexibility they got an 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:58.640 offseason with the addition to Josh Myers, because I'm not 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:02.320 saying they want to do that, because Darren Muji was 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:05.320 very clear about it that he said that he considers 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:09.520 Elijah Vera Tucker a guard. But if you ever get 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:12.080 in a situation where you didn't take an offensive lineman 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:15.440 there in the first round, you do have the luxury 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:18.120 of saying, we do have Myers who can play center, 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:23.800 Tipman does have experience playing guard, AVT has experienced playing tackle. 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:26.440 And then other thing is the wild card in all 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:30.280 of this for me, is or core for because a 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:31.279 starting experience. 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:35.320 Yeah, And I think that's why they were strategic in 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:36.160 the moves they made. 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:37.480 We kind of talked about this hea. 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:40.520 They went after guys that maybe didn't have their best 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:42.880 career year of the year before, but in the past 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:45.920 have played really good football. So there's upside there. You 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:48.240 talked about a call for you talked about Josh Myers, 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:50.160 and I think that's the reason why they brought those 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:52.839 guys in so they wouldn't feel pigeonhole and feeling like 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:55.600 we have to take a right tackle with our first pick. 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:57.800 But I just think the writings on the Wall. The 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:00.279 upside that Membo has, he has the highest upside in 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:03.880 this draft. Really runs off the football at athletic offensive 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:06.440 offensive tackle that at three hundred and thirty pounds run 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:09.000 at four nine to one, which is absurd. That lets 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:11.120 you know the type of speed and get off he 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:14.160 has off the ball, finishes in the run game, and 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:16.960 has really good feet. So like that's those are the 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:18.880 things you kind of want to check off your board 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:20.440 when you're looking at offensive tackles. 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:22.760 Right, how quick is he off the step? Right? 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:24.960 Can he cut guys off on the backside? Can he 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:26.119 get to the second level? 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:26.600 Right? 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:29.160 What's his mentality when he gets hands on guys? Does 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:31.440 he like to finish guys? We've seen that from Arma 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:35.000 Mimbu and then the pass pro. Is he a fluid athlete? 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:35.240 Right? 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:37.720 Does he have the footwork? And can he sit on power? 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:40.680 And Mimbo can do all those things. Now, people kind 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:43.320 of said, like he's a shorter bill offensive tackles. I 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:46.680 think he's like around like sixty three, but his armleank 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:48.600 is thirty three and a half inch arms and some 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:50.240 people were saying even that was short, and I'm like, 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:52.960 when did that become short? Ro I thought thirty two, 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:55.800 thirty one was shorter. What did thirty three and I 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:59.600 have become shorter? Armland so it never affected him. On 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:00.880 the film, I watch. 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:03.679 How about two of the top prospects in this draft class, 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:08.040 everybody's talking about their short arms, and listen, the production 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:11.280 speaks for itself. I was just watching me Raam tape 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:14.880 here before we came in, and again the like he 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:18.240 just pops all the time out there, and he is 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:22.320 considered the best defensive tackle in a loaded defensive tackle class. Okay, 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:28.560 so fans at home might be saying, hey, dudes, good points, 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:31.360 But Tyler Warren could help us in the run game, 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:33.760 he can help us in the past game. Maybe he's 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:37.840 not gonna stretch it vertically like a Bowers, but also 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:42.120 factor in the deb chart. Dudes, when you look at Rutger, 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:46.480 Tyler Conklin obviously departed in free agency, and then you 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:49.800 bring out Stone Smart who can stretch it himself, He's 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:51.199 probably gonna get more opportunities. 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:53.040 It's gonna be interesting to watch his development. 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:59.120 But why maybe you're angling towards Membo as opposed to 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:01.720 Warren because people, a lot of people on the warrant 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:04.040 side would say Hey, listen, he's gonna help us in 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:06.679 the run game, dude. And maybe he's not gonna be 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:08.840 but he's gonna be a productive pass catcher. 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:11.880 Yeah, you know, I love Tyler Warren. 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:17.600 The NFL, though, is based off of facts and what 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:20.360 we've seen in the past. Right, They like to follow 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:23.600 the trends, if I could put it that way. And 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:28.640 I'm a big proponent of never rank or put somebody 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:31.800 in a certain position because they play a certain position. Right, 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:35.120 But history does have facts, and there is a graphic 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:38.360 that shows you that positional value is real. When it 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:41.920 comes to taking guys in the top ten, you know, 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:45.200 those are usually offensive tackles, guys that can affect the quarterback, 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:47.800 guys that can throw the ball which are quarterbacks, and 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:50.480 guys that catch the ball from quarterbacks, because those are 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:51.240 the guys. 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:53.079 That can immediately affect the game. 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:56.920 I look at the history and going back since twenty fourteen, 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:59.240 I believe there's been three tight ends that went in 0:09:59.320 --> 0:09:59.840 the top ten. 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:02.800 Can you name him? I can name him, but can 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:03.400 you name them me? 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:08.680 A Can I name him? I would say, you're catching 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:11.440 me off guard right now. It went at top ten. 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:16.800 Oh Pitts, Yeah, obviously was Bower's top ten. 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:19.000 No, yeah, no he was eleven. 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:19.720 He wasn't. 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:23.679 He wasn't because the jet's head. 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:25.440 No, he might have been. He actually might have been twelve. 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:26.360 I'm not mistaken. 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:31.240 Oh man, I'm struggling. 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:33.360 I'll give you a hit. One was a tight end 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:35.160 from North Carolina. 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:42.280 M North Carolina, Eric Ebron, oh my god. 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:46.520 And TJ. Hockinson. Okay, do you see where I'm going here. 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:52.120 That's a good one, man. The Ebron one, nobody's getting 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:54.000 unless they studied this one. Come in it. 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:56.240 So this is my thing. 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:58.720 I love Tyler Warren and again I'm a big proponent 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:01.800 of never because the argument with the running back position 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:04.880 with Jamir Gibbs and b Jon Robinson. My thing is 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:08.480 those are special athletic guys that are going to touch 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:11.040 the ball at least twenty times a game, right, so 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:13.640 they're gonna have a bigger impact on the game. I'm 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:16.559 just leary of taking a tight end in the top 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:21.240 ten because what's his true impact on every single play? 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:21.920 Right? 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:25.000 If you're lucky, Tyler Warren touches it what seven times 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:27.640 a game? He's gonna affect the run game for sure, 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:29.839 But do you take that in the top seven rather 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:32.520 than taking an offensive lineman who is going to have 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:34.960 a big impact, is gonna play every single snap for 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:35.760 you on offense. 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:37.000 That's where I'm going in. 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:39.360 And I love Tyler Warren and the people will say, well, 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:42.640 he's probably the most versatile offensive piece in this draft. 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:43.120 And you're right. 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:45.640 The guy can play quarterback, he can play tight end, 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:47.959 he can play h back. They had him at center 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:50.920 one time versus USC he snapped the ball, ran down 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:53.640 the scene and called a touchdown. I hear all that, 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:56.800 But the NFL follows trends, right, And I'm just leary 0:11:56.800 --> 0:12:00.200 of taking a tight end in the top ten just 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:02.520 because of the history that I just told you about 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:07.760 the air Key Bron, TJ. Hoginson, Cockpits, and TJ. Howkinson 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:09.360 is a really good player. He's a Pro Bowl player. 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:12.160 Let's not forget he got traded within the division. That's 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:14.880 what Detroit thought of him. They traded him within the division. 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:16.400 So again, I'm just. 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:18.360 Liary of taking the guy in the top ten at 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:18.960 that position. 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:22.040 Yeah, they traded him to the Vikings inside the division. 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:25.360 And to your point about Hockinson, he was a top 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:30.280 ten pick of the Lions, but that was the previous 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:34.840 staff that was not the Dan Campbell, Ben Johnson, Aaron 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:39.160 Glenn's staff. Okay, so they he was drafted in the 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:42.880 top ten by the previous staff. And also, I guess 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:46.559 we should take this into consideration that a very productive 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:49.520 and tight end in Detroit right now is a guy 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:54.160 by the name of Sam Laporta who correct on you, Iowa, 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:55.680 what was the second round pick? 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:58.960 And that's where the value usually is for tight ends 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:01.040 right like now, if there's specially you take them in 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:04.360 the back of the first but that's usually the value second, third, 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:06.000 fourth round for tight ends. 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:09.560 Man, you really stumped me with that question. It was 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:10.000 great though. 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:15.760 Okay, so top of the draft, are we heading towards 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:21.000 the scenario where okay, wards going one, but two three, 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:24.439 those teams are gonna stick there. They're not taking quarterbacks. 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:26.720 They might take quarterbacks later in the first round. They 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:29.040 may take the quarterbacks in the second round, but they're 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:30.679 not taking quarterbacks. 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:32.560 Are we there right now? 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:37.080 Or I think the Giants are a dark horse to 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:39.360 be honest with you, now, again, I don't see them 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:41.560 passing up on a dual Carter I thought I was 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:43.559 interesting on his Instagram the other day. 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:45.079 He posted a picture of. 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:49.840 What's the lt He posted a picture of lt UH 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:53.480 the other day, so in his Giants uniform at that 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:55.880 so I think I think that was a little bit 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:58.880 of a foreshadow. Potentially, I think he kind of knows 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:01.360 that Cleveland's lean towards Travis Hunter. 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:03.880 Most likely he goes Sanders. 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:08.160 Yet I'm not because this was a scenario lack last year, 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:09.800 and people will get me crazy when I said this. 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:13.320 I talked to a few people from the Atlanta organization 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:18.079 and they had done extensive work on Michael Pennock Jr. 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:21.040 And they flew out to Seattle and worked him out 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:24.520 like the whole brash was there. And usually teams when 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:26.560 they do that is just not part of the process, 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:29.720 like they're really considering. And I think the thing with 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:32.440 Shador is I think they're just trying to get to 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:34.600 know the guy again. Now again, I don't know if 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:37.000 they like him at number three, but maybe there's a 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:39.200 scenario where they try to trade back in the first round. 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:42.360 Say he gets past like pick nine or ten, maybe 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:44.360 they try to trade back into the first round. Now 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:46.000 New Orleans needs a quarterback, so I don't know if 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:48.520 he'll get past nine, but I think there's a real 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:51.040 scenario of the Giants try to get aggressive and trade 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:54.560 back in and they also, you know, did another workout 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:56.840 with Jaylor Miroe and Tyler Shuff just in case, I 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:59.640 think Plan B if Shador is gone, who's some guys 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:01.760 we can maybe target in the second and third round. 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:05.320 Okay, we got a lot of fan questions to get to, 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:07.560 but before we go there, I want to talk about 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:10.640 some potential trade up trade down scenarios. This is something 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:15.920 that we covered on Jets Overtime, our NFL mock Draft, 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:19.400 which is going to air Saturday night, CBS Shameless Plug 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:21.720 eleven thirty pm. You also can check that out in 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:24.880 New York tests dot com and YouTube. My Man Dus 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:28.120 was on the show, as was the great Brian Baldinger, 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:31.920 Caroline Hunter, Shot and Ethan Greenberg. We're discussing all things draft. 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:36.080 If you missed the first Jets Overtime our NFL Draft 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:38.480 preview that you can check out on New York Jets 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:43.240 dot com or YouTube. Okay, so one, two, three, four, 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:48.400 I'm not even saying that. I'm saying that's so improbable 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:52.080 that let's not even talk about that. Any scenario where 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:54.560 any scenario there where the Jets would be like, we 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:56.840 really like Graham, so we'd like to get up to 0:15:56.920 --> 0:16:00.880 five to Jacksonville, or you just think Jacksonville for months, 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:04.760 as you've said, they're going there and they're not moving. 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:07.560 I don't think this is sure bet that they take 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:11.720 Graham just because Liam Collins the offensive coach, right, so 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:14.560 he would probably like an offensive weapon. And I actually 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:16.960 posted this question the other day on Twitter or x 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:19.640 whatever you want to call it. I said, is there 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:23.480 a scenario where Tyler Warren goes five overall? And how 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:26.320 does that affect the Jets? Because what if their decision 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:29.560 is between Mason Graham and our mam mimbu, which direction 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:30.280 do they go? 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:31.520 Right? 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:35.440 Because again Liam Cohen, he's coming from Tampa Bay, and 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:37.400 the thing that's so great about him is he's been 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:41.320 able to kind of change his philosophy based on the personnel. 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:43.640 Because let's not forget Chris. 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:46.320 Godwin was having literally an all Pro year before he 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:48.760 got hurt, and then they kind of had to switch 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:50.880 to more of a running team at that time, and 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:54.280 that's when Bucky Urban and Sean Tucker really came alive 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:59.240 in that offense. And then also Kateadden once Chris got 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:01.640 hurt Am a real benefactor of that. 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:03.640 That the last eight games of the season and he 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:04.520 had a career year. 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:06.800 So I'm like, when you look at Jacksonville in the 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:09.760 way it's currently constructed, right, they went and got Dionni 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:11.520 Brown from the Commanders. 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:13.159 It's a real high flyer that can go up and 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:13.640 get the ball. 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:16.400 Uh really played well down the stretch for the Commanders 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:18.680 last year on their on their way to the NFC 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:21.760 Championship Game. They also have gave Davis who was coming 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:23.480 off an injury, who was kind of up and down 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:26.480 last year. They have BTJ, who we know can blow 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:29.600 the top off the defense and clearly their number one 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:33.120 option at receiver. Let's not forget though they lost their 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:36.479 tight end. They released him this offseason. Evan Ingram. So 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:38.520 Britain Strange is supposed to be the guy, but what 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:42.240 if you know, Liam Cohen says, I like that other 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:44.080 tied end from Pennsdawn. I know they played together him 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:46.479 in Britain Strange, but I like that other guy, you know, 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:49.640 Tyler Warren. Let's let's let's potentially take him and give 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:51.720 ourselves an offensive weapon man. 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:52.800 That would be a big time curve. 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:57.760 But okay, but in terms of the Jets, do you 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:02.040 have those guys how we ordered the pod those four 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:07.000 do you have them stacked really tightly together? Where is 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:11.240 whereas you're not going up no matter what. Yeah, you're 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:14.240 staying there at seven. We'll get to the trade down 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:16.959 scenarios here in a second. But you're not going up 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:17.439 no matter what. 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:19.080 No no. 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:22.200 I talked about this on our Jets overtime show as well. 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:25.120 I don't think the drop off between Mason Graham and 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:28.360 Walter Nolan is that significant. And this is a deep 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:31.560 defensive tackle class. So like, I don't see a scenario 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:34.760 where the Jets, you know, say Mason Graham gets past five, 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:37.480 they're like, oh, let's trade up one spot with the 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:39.960 Raiders to go get them, because they know they're going 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:43.040 to get a good quality player at seven regardless that's 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:45.199 going to be an immediate impact player for them in 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:47.920 year one. So I just don't see a scenario where 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:51.280 the Jets go, let's potentially move up unless a guy 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:53.760 like a Dull Carter felt it's I think everybody in 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:54.680 the league would be calling. 0:18:54.920 --> 0:18:56.440 I don't think he gets past picked fourth. 0:18:56.560 --> 0:19:00.359 Okay, real quickly, what if Mambo is gone to Campbell 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:01.200 and membore gone. 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:06.000 I mean that would be literally out of left field, 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:07.960 like literally out of left field. Y A. 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:11.640 But in that and this is the funny thing, I'm 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:13.280 so glad you asked me this question because people. 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:15.679 Are so quick to say we should trade down. You 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:18.320 gotta have a partner that's willing to trade up for 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:21.480 you to trade down. And usually teams only trade up 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:25.520 mostly for quarterbacks or generational talents. And literally, to me 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:29.080 right now, in this draft, there's probably three generational talents. 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:33.640 It's Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter, and Asking Gent, and all 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:36.960 three of those guys most likely will be gone by 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:38.399