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Speaker 1: Dude's a lot of things going on.
Speaker 5: We're a week out from the twenty twenty five NFL Draft.
Speaker 1: Can you believe it's finally here?
Speaker 2: It's crazy, ea.
Speaker 3: I mean I remember, you know, being an indie with you,
Speaker 3: and I felt like the draft was still so far away.
Speaker 3: It was like over two months away. And literally now
Speaker 3: we're seven days away from the twenty twenty five NFL Driver.
Speaker 3: It's just interesting, right because as the NFL schedule has
Speaker 3: expanded and college has expanded, it feels like everything just
Speaker 3: kind of runs up on you real quick. But I'm excited, man,
Speaker 3: seven days away from guys, you know, realize.
Speaker 1: Man, there's so many things happening.
Speaker 5: You just mentioned college schedule how about to transfer portal
Speaker 5: and and i al and the NBA playoffs and the
Speaker 5: NHL playoffs.
Speaker 1: But football is king, Football is always king. It's the
Speaker 1: National Football League.
Speaker 2: Baby.
Speaker 5: Right now, we're gonna get to a couple questions down
Speaker 5: the line. We had a lot of participation when we
Speaker 5: put that up on our social media accounts as far
Speaker 5: as we're gonna be taking some questions during the podcast.
Speaker 1: But as we sit here today, duce number seven overall, if.
Speaker 5: The Jets stay there, is it amongst four players or
Speaker 5: five players that you think ultimately the Jets will be
Speaker 5: choosing from.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say five, and I'm trying to name them
Speaker 3: for you right our mom Imbu the off of the
Speaker 3: tackle from Missouri, Ted Tyro McMillan from Arizona, the receiver
Speaker 3: Tyler Warren tight end from Penn State, off chance Mason
Speaker 3: Graham falls a couple spots Mason Graham and I think
Speaker 3: a dark horse one and our guy Ethan Greenberg, me
Speaker 3: and him talked about this when and this is his
Speaker 3: dark horse for the number seven pick. Jalen Walker, I
Speaker 3: think is a real possibility at the number seven overall
Speaker 3: pick for the Jets. Again, it would depend on how
Speaker 3: the draft board fell in front of the Jets, but
Speaker 3: a lot of teams are high on him, and I
Speaker 3: don't believe he gets past pick eight with the Carolina Panthers,
Speaker 3: so I believe he's pretty high on the Jets draft
Speaker 3: board as well.
Speaker 5: Wow, would Will Campbell be in play if he was
Speaker 5: there at seven?
Speaker 2: If the draft goes kind of how I think it will.
Speaker 3: We all assuming cam Ward's going number one overall, and
Speaker 3: for all intents and purposes, it seems like Travis Hunter
Speaker 3: will be the number two overall pick. So if you're
Speaker 3: the Giants right now, they are doing some extensive work
Speaker 3: on Shador Sanders, but I think they would like him
Speaker 3: later in the draft, maybe a trade back up into
Speaker 3: the first round. Abdul Carter is a generational type talent.
Speaker 3: I think they it'd be hard for them to pass
Speaker 3: up on that, right, so I assume he goes three overall.
Speaker 3: I think the Patriots are run Will Campbell's card in
Speaker 3: because he's the most technically sound offensive tackle in this draft.
Speaker 3: It's literally like he's on easy Street at times when
Speaker 3: he's in pass pro, he makes it look easy at times.
Speaker 3: I don't people will get at the arm length but
Speaker 3: again with offensive line of defensive line play, it's all
Speaker 3: about angles, right, offensive tackles. A guy that I went
Speaker 3: up against in the league that's really good at still
Speaker 3: playing at a high level Lane Johnson, Yeah, he never
Speaker 3: gave you the same pass set. He gave you a
Speaker 3: different angle every time. So, like when it comes to armlngth,
Speaker 3: depending on your aiming point and how the offensive tackle
Speaker 3: sets you, that armlength can be mitigated. Those two or
Speaker 3: three inches if if he had longer arms can be
Speaker 3: kind of mitigated because he understands what his deficiencies are
Speaker 3: when it comes to the arm length. And Will Campbell
Speaker 3: does a really good job of giving you different pass sets,
Speaker 3: and I love the dog mentality that he has. He
Speaker 3: finishes in the run game. So if you're the Patriots,
Speaker 3: you're trying to rechange that culture and get back to
Speaker 3: your winning ways. I think Will Campbell is a culture
Speaker 3: changing piece for you.
Speaker 5: So with that being said, you've been saying for months
Speaker 5: that you think Graham his likely destination is five to Jacksonville.
Speaker 5: So if you take Campbell off, you take Graham off,
Speaker 5: then your left with Mambo Warren and Walker.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then outside chance, outside chance McMillan, So yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, you know me, I'm going trenches, right. I
Speaker 3: think putting Arman Mimbo with our other starting four guys
Speaker 3: would make one of the best young offensive lines in football.
Speaker 3: And when the Jets had success in twenty ten, you
Speaker 3: know twenty eleven, it was based off of a young,
Speaker 3: aggressive offensive line, right, So I think that makes the
Speaker 3: most sense. You have a quarterback that has a rare
Speaker 3: skill set when it comes to his athletic ability. You
Speaker 3: have three really good running backs. Aaron Glenn comes from
Speaker 3: Detroit where they want to pound you into submission. Tanner
Speaker 3: einstream comes from Detroit where they want to pound you
Speaker 3: into submission. I just think the writing's on the wall
Speaker 3: when it comes if the draft board worth a fall
Speaker 3: like that, ea, that Membu would be the pig.
Speaker 5: So we've shrunk the field of four and your point
Speaker 5: towards Membo. How much do you consider because the Jets
Speaker 5: are in the situation right now where you're always wanting
Speaker 5: to go to best player available, but you wanted to
Speaker 5: marry Need at the same time when you look when
Speaker 5: you look at the Jets offensive line, how much do
Speaker 5: factor in the equation the possible flexibility they got an
Speaker 5: offseason with the addition to Josh Myers, because I'm not
Speaker 5: saying they want to do that, because Darren Muji was
Speaker 5: very clear about it that he said that he considers
Speaker 5: Elijah Vera Tucker a guard. But if you ever get
Speaker 5: in a situation where you didn't take an offensive lineman
Speaker 5: there in the first round, you do have the luxury
Speaker 5: of saying, we do have Myers who can play center,
Speaker 5: Tipman does have experience playing guard, AVT has experienced playing tackle.
Speaker 5: And then other thing is the wild card in all
Speaker 5: of this for me, is or core for because a
Speaker 5: starting experience.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that's why they were strategic in
Speaker 3: the moves they made.
Speaker 2: We kind of talked about this hea.
Speaker 3: They went after guys that maybe didn't have their best
Speaker 3: career year of the year before, but in the past
Speaker 3: have played really good football. So there's upside there. You
Speaker 3: talked about a call for you talked about Josh Myers,
Speaker 3: and I think that's the reason why they brought those
Speaker 3: guys in so they wouldn't feel pigeonhole and feeling like
Speaker 3: we have to take a right tackle with our first pick.
Speaker 3: But I just think the writings on the Wall. The
Speaker 3: upside that Membo has, he has the highest upside in
Speaker 3: this draft. Really runs off the football at athletic offensive
Speaker 3: offensive tackle that at three hundred and thirty pounds run
Speaker 3: at four nine to one, which is absurd. That lets
Speaker 3: you know the type of speed and get off he
Speaker 3: has off the ball, finishes in the run game, and
Speaker 3: has really good feet. So like that's those are the
Speaker 3: things you kind of want to check off your board
Speaker 3: when you're looking at offensive tackles.
Speaker 2: Right, how quick is he off the step? Right?
Speaker 3: Can he cut guys off on the backside? Can he
Speaker 3: get to the second level?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: What's his mentality when he gets hands on guys? Does
Speaker 3: he like to finish guys? We've seen that from Arma
Speaker 3: Mimbu and then the pass pro. Is he a fluid athlete?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Does he have the footwork? And can he sit on power?
Speaker 3: And Mimbo can do all those things. Now, people kind
Speaker 3: of said, like he's a shorter bill offensive tackles. I
Speaker 3: think he's like around like sixty three, but his armleank
Speaker 3: is thirty three and a half inch arms and some
Speaker 3: people were saying even that was short, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: when did that become short? Ro I thought thirty two,
Speaker 3: thirty one was shorter. What did thirty three and I
Speaker 3: have become shorter? Armland so it never affected him. On
Speaker 3: the film, I watch.
Speaker 5: How about two of the top prospects in this draft class,
Speaker 5: everybody's talking about their short arms, and listen, the production
Speaker 5: speaks for itself. I was just watching me Raam tape
Speaker 5: here before we came in, and again the like he
Speaker 5: just pops all the time out there, and he is
Speaker 5: considered the best defensive tackle in a loaded defensive tackle class. Okay,
Speaker 5: so fans at home might be saying, hey, dudes, good points,
Speaker 5: But Tyler Warren could help us in the run game,
Speaker 5: he can help us in the past game. Maybe he's
Speaker 5: not gonna stretch it vertically like a Bowers, but also
Speaker 5: factor in the deb chart. Dudes, when you look at Rutger,
Speaker 5: Tyler Conklin obviously departed in free agency, and then you
Speaker 5: bring out Stone Smart who can stretch it himself, He's
Speaker 5: probably gonna get more opportunities.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting to watch his development.
Speaker 5: But why maybe you're angling towards Membo as opposed to
Speaker 5: Warren because people, a lot of people on the warrant
Speaker 5: side would say Hey, listen, he's gonna help us in
Speaker 5: the run game, dude. And maybe he's not gonna be
Speaker 5: but he's gonna be a productive pass catcher.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I love Tyler Warren.
Speaker 3: The NFL, though, is based off of facts and what
Speaker 3: we've seen in the past. Right, They like to follow
Speaker 3: the trends, if I could put it that way. And
Speaker 3: I'm a big proponent of never rank or put somebody
Speaker 3: in a certain position because they play a certain position. Right,
Speaker 3: But history does have facts, and there is a graphic
Speaker 3: that shows you that positional value is real. When it
Speaker 3: comes to taking guys in the top ten, you know,
Speaker 3: those are usually offensive tackles, guys that can affect the quarterback,
Speaker 3: guys that can throw the ball which are quarterbacks, and
Speaker 3: guys that catch the ball from quarterbacks, because those are
Speaker 3: the guys.
Speaker 2: That can immediately affect the game.
Speaker 3: I look at the history and going back since twenty fourteen,
Speaker 3: I believe there's been three tight ends that went in
Speaker 3: the top ten.
Speaker 2: Can you name him? I can name him, but can
Speaker 2: you name them me?
Speaker 5: A Can I name him? I would say, you're catching
Speaker 5: me off guard right now. It went at top ten.
Speaker 5: Oh Pitts, Yeah, obviously was Bower's top ten.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, no he was eleven.
Speaker 1: He wasn't.
Speaker 5: He wasn't because the jet's head.
Speaker 2: No, he might have been. He actually might have been twelve.
Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm struggling.
Speaker 3: I'll give you a hit. One was a tight end
Speaker 3: from North Carolina.
Speaker 1: M North Carolina, Eric Ebron, oh my god.
Speaker 2: And TJ. Hockinson. Okay, do you see where I'm going here.
Speaker 1: That's a good one, man. The Ebron one, nobody's getting
Speaker 1: unless they studied this one. Come in it.
Speaker 2: So this is my thing.
Speaker 3: I love Tyler Warren and again I'm a big proponent
Speaker 3: of never because the argument with the running back position
Speaker 3: with Jamir Gibbs and b Jon Robinson. My thing is
Speaker 3: those are special athletic guys that are going to touch
Speaker 3: the ball at least twenty times a game, right, so
Speaker 3: they're gonna have a bigger impact on the game. I'm
Speaker 3: just leary of taking a tight end in the top
Speaker 3: ten because what's his true impact on every single play?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: If you're lucky, Tyler Warren touches it what seven times
Speaker 3: a game? He's gonna affect the run game for sure,
Speaker 3: But do you take that in the top seven rather
Speaker 3: than taking an offensive lineman who is going to have
Speaker 3: a big impact, is gonna play every single snap for
Speaker 3: you on offense.
Speaker 2: That's where I'm going in.
Speaker 3: And I love Tyler Warren and the people will say, well,
Speaker 3: he's probably the most versatile offensive piece in this draft.
Speaker 2: And you're right.
Speaker 3: The guy can play quarterback, he can play tight end,
Speaker 3: he can play h back. They had him at center
Speaker 3: one time versus USC he snapped the ball, ran down
Speaker 3: the scene and called a touchdown. I hear all that,
Speaker 3: But the NFL follows trends, right, And I'm just leary
Speaker 3: of taking a tight end in the top ten just
Speaker 3: because of the history that I just told you about
Speaker 3: the air Key Bron, TJ. Hoginson, Cockpits, and TJ. Howkinson
Speaker 3: is a really good player. He's a Pro Bowl player.
Speaker 3: Let's not forget he got traded within the division. That's
Speaker 3: what Detroit thought of him. They traded him within the division.
Speaker 3: So again, I'm just.
Speaker 2: Liary of taking the guy in the top ten at
Speaker 2: that position.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they traded him to the Vikings inside the division.
Speaker 5: And to your point about Hockinson, he was a top
Speaker 5: ten pick of the Lions, but that was the previous
Speaker 5: staff that was not the Dan Campbell, Ben Johnson, Aaron
Speaker 5: Glenn's staff. Okay, so they he was drafted in the
Speaker 5: top ten by the previous staff. And also, I guess
Speaker 5: we should take this into consideration that a very productive
Speaker 5: and tight end in Detroit right now is a guy
Speaker 5: by the name of Sam Laporta who correct on you, Iowa,
Speaker 5: what was the second round pick?
Speaker 3: And that's where the value usually is for tight ends
Speaker 3: right like now, if there's specially you take them in
Speaker 3: the back of the first but that's usually the value second, third,
Speaker 3: fourth round for tight ends.
Speaker 1: Man, you really stumped me with that question. It was
Speaker 1: great though.
Speaker 5: Okay, so top of the draft, are we heading towards
Speaker 5: the scenario where okay, wards going one, but two three,
Speaker 5: those teams are gonna stick there. They're not taking quarterbacks.
Speaker 5: They might take quarterbacks later in the first round. They
Speaker 5: may take the quarterbacks in the second round, but they're
Speaker 5: not taking quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Are we there right now?
Speaker 3: Or I think the Giants are a dark horse to
Speaker 3: be honest with you, now, again, I don't see them
Speaker 3: passing up on a dual Carter I thought I was
Speaker 3: interesting on his Instagram the other day.
Speaker 2: He posted a picture of.
Speaker 3: What's the lt He posted a picture of lt UH
Speaker 3: the other day, so in his Giants uniform at that
Speaker 3: so I think I think that was a little bit
Speaker 3: of a foreshadow. Potentially, I think he kind of knows
Speaker 3: that Cleveland's lean towards Travis Hunter.
Speaker 1: Most likely he goes Sanders.
Speaker 3: Yet I'm not because this was a scenario lack last year,
Speaker 3: and people will get me crazy when I said this.
Speaker 3: I talked to a few people from the Atlanta organization
Speaker 3: and they had done extensive work on Michael Pennock Jr.
Speaker 3: And they flew out to Seattle and worked him out
Speaker 3: like the whole brash was there. And usually teams when
Speaker 3: they do that is just not part of the process,
Speaker 3: like they're really considering. And I think the thing with
Speaker 3: Shador is I think they're just trying to get to
Speaker 3: know the guy again. Now again, I don't know if
Speaker 3: they like him at number three, but maybe there's a
Speaker 3: scenario where they try to trade back in the first round.
Speaker 3: Say he gets past like pick nine or ten, maybe
Speaker 3: they try to trade back into the first round. Now
Speaker 3: New Orleans needs a quarterback, so I don't know if
Speaker 3: he'll get past nine, but I think there's a real
Speaker 3: scenario of the Giants try to get aggressive and trade
Speaker 3: back in and they also, you know, did another workout
Speaker 3: with Jaylor Miroe and Tyler Shuff just in case, I
Speaker 3: think Plan B if Shador is gone, who's some guys
Speaker 3: we can maybe target in the second and third round.
Speaker 5: Okay, we got a lot of fan questions to get to,
Speaker 5: but before we go there, I want to talk about
Speaker 5: some potential trade up trade down scenarios. This is something
Speaker 5: that we covered on Jets Overtime, our NFL mock Draft,
Speaker 5: which is going to air Saturday night, CBS Shameless Plug
Speaker 5: eleven thirty pm. You also can check that out in
Speaker 5: New York tests dot com and YouTube. My Man Dus
Speaker 5: was on the show, as was the great Brian Baldinger,
Speaker 5: Caroline Hunter, Shot and Ethan Greenberg. We're discussing all things draft.
Speaker 5: If you missed the first Jets Overtime our NFL Draft
Speaker 5: preview that you can check out on New York Jets
Speaker 5: dot com or YouTube. Okay, so one, two, three, four,
Speaker 5: I'm not even saying that. I'm saying that's so improbable
Speaker 5: that let's not even talk about that. Any scenario where
Speaker 5: any scenario there where the Jets would be like, we
Speaker 5: really like Graham, so we'd like to get up to
Speaker 5: five to Jacksonville, or you just think Jacksonville for months,
Speaker 5: as you've said, they're going there and they're not moving.
Speaker 3: I don't think this is sure bet that they take
Speaker 3: Graham just because Liam Collins the offensive coach, right, so
Speaker 3: he would probably like an offensive weapon. And I actually
Speaker 3: posted this question the other day on Twitter or x
Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it. I said, is there
Speaker 3: a scenario where Tyler Warren goes five overall? And how
Speaker 3: does that affect the Jets? Because what if their decision
Speaker 3: is between Mason Graham and our mam mimbu, which direction
Speaker 3: do they go?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Because again Liam Cohen, he's coming from Tampa Bay, and
Speaker 3: the thing that's so great about him is he's been
Speaker 3: able to kind of change his philosophy based on the personnel.
Speaker 2: Because let's not forget Chris.
Speaker 3: Godwin was having literally an all Pro year before he
Speaker 3: got hurt, and then they kind of had to switch
Speaker 3: to more of a running team at that time, and
Speaker 3: that's when Bucky Urban and Sean Tucker really came alive
Speaker 3: in that offense. And then also Kateadden once Chris got
Speaker 3: hurt Am a real benefactor of that.
Speaker 2: That the last eight games of the season and he
Speaker 2: had a career year.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, when you look at Jacksonville in the
Speaker 3: way it's currently constructed, right, they went and got Dionni
Speaker 3: Brown from the Commanders.
Speaker 2: It's a real high flyer that can go up and
Speaker 2: get the ball.
Speaker 3: Uh really played well down the stretch for the Commanders
Speaker 3: last year on their on their way to the NFC
Speaker 3: Championship Game. They also have gave Davis who was coming
Speaker 3: off an injury, who was kind of up and down
Speaker 3: last year. They have BTJ, who we know can blow
Speaker 3: the top off the defense and clearly their number one
Speaker 3: option at receiver. Let's not forget though they lost their
Speaker 3: tight end. They released him this offseason. Evan Ingram. So
Speaker 3: Britain Strange is supposed to be the guy, but what
Speaker 3: if you know, Liam Cohen says, I like that other
Speaker 3: tied end from Pennsdawn. I know they played together him
Speaker 3: in Britain Strange, but I like that other guy, you know,
Speaker 3: Tyler Warren. Let's let's let's potentially take him and give
Speaker 3: ourselves an offensive weapon man.
Speaker 1: That would be a big time curve.
Speaker 5: But okay, but in terms of the Jets, do you
Speaker 5: have those guys how we ordered the pod those four
Speaker 5: do you have them stacked really tightly together? Where is
Speaker 5: whereas you're not going up no matter what. Yeah, you're
Speaker 5: staying there at seven. We'll get to the trade down
Speaker 5: scenarios here in a second. But you're not going up
Speaker 5: no matter what.
Speaker 2: No no.
Speaker 3: I talked about this on our Jets overtime show as well.
Speaker 3: I don't think the drop off between Mason Graham and
Speaker 3: Walter Nolan is that significant. And this is a deep
Speaker 3: defensive tackle class. So like, I don't see a scenario
Speaker 3: where the Jets, you know, say Mason Graham gets past five,
Speaker 3: they're like, oh, let's trade up one spot with the
Speaker 3: Raiders to go get them, because they know they're going
Speaker 3: to get a good quality player at seven regardless that's
Speaker 3: going to be an immediate impact player for them in
Speaker 3: year one. So I just don't see a scenario where
Speaker 3: the Jets go, let's potentially move up unless a guy
Speaker 3: like a Dull Carter felt it's I think everybody in
Speaker 3: the league would be calling.
Speaker 2: I don't think he gets past picked fourth.
Speaker 1: Okay, real quickly, what if Mambo is gone to Campbell
Speaker 1: and membore gone.
Speaker 3: I mean that would be literally out of left field,
Speaker 3: like literally out of left field. Y A.
Speaker 2: But in that and this is the funny thing, I'm
Speaker 2: so glad you asked me this question because people.
Speaker 3: Are so quick to say we should trade down. You
Speaker 3: gotta have a partner that's willing to trade up for
Speaker 3: you to trade down. And usually teams only trade up
Speaker 3: mostly for quarterbacks or generational talents. And literally, to me
Speaker 3: right now, in this draft, there's probably three generational talents.
Speaker 3: It's Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter, and Asking Gent, and all
Speaker 3: three of those guys most likely will be gone by
Speaker 3: the time Jets are picking at seven.
Speaker 5: Okay, So, Genty, I'm so happy you made the transition there,
Speaker 5: because we're jumping all over the place.
Speaker 1: But this is why the draft is so much fun.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if the Raiders don't take Gent at six, will
Speaker 5: teams be calling the Jets at seven to take him?
Speaker 3: I think the team that picks right behind the Jets
Speaker 3: would call right away, the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 2: I think they would call in a heartbeat.
Speaker 3: Now, again, this is a deep running back class, and
Speaker 3: maybe Ben Johnson feels like there's no chance to get
Speaker 3: him because there's no way he's getting past the Raiders.
Speaker 3: But if that were to happen, I guarantee Ryan Poles
Speaker 3: would be on the phone with Darrenmujie right after that
Speaker 3: pick at six. If Ashton Gentsy is still on the
Speaker 3: board at seven, it'd be interesting to see what Carolina
Speaker 3: does because yes, they just paid Trooper Hubbard, but again,
Speaker 3: Genti's a different type of talent. We talk about a
Speaker 3: generational running back, and we've saw how good Jon Robinson
Speaker 3: has been and also Jamiir Gibbs with the Detroit Lion.
Speaker 2: So I think a few teams would call.
Speaker 3: Maybe Denver calls, you know, tries to move up, but
Speaker 3: I know that team right behind the Jets at eight
Speaker 3: would definitely call.
Speaker 2: And maybe it's a similar trade.
Speaker 3: And again I don't see him getting past six, but
Speaker 3: maybe it's a similar trade that they did last year
Speaker 3: when the Minnesota Vikings just move one spot up to
Speaker 3: get JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because I think that'd be fascinating if he got
Speaker 5: paid six. What's the scenario and what would moug's phone
Speaker 5: be like? You'd have to be using multiple phones in
Speaker 5: the draft room because.
Speaker 1: To your point.
Speaker 5: The way you view it is there's three game changing
Speaker 5: talents or franchise changing talents, and you're including Genti.
Speaker 1: Into the mix.
Speaker 5: And typically we don't see teams take a running back
Speaker 5: in the top ten, but this is the year where
Speaker 5: probably no anominally where you're gonna have a running back
Speaker 5: on the top.
Speaker 1: Ten, even though it's historically good class right correct.
Speaker 3: And the funny thing is they were showing some behind
Speaker 3: the scenes of the Detroit Lions brash when they took Jamaicauz.
Speaker 3: Let's not forget they traded back that year, so they
Speaker 3: were nervous that the team was gonna take him. They
Speaker 3: had him as like a top five player on their
Speaker 3: draft board, so they would have been willing to take
Speaker 3: him in like eight, but they figured, what's not, let's
Speaker 3: let's get some draft capitol because guy's gonna move up
Speaker 3: to get other players. I don't think they viewed Jamir
Speaker 3: how we view him, right, So that's the thing Ryan
Speaker 3: Poles and Ben Johnson, like, how do they like, how
Speaker 3: do they view Jenty?
Speaker 2: Is he generational like he is? In my eyes?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: Are they willing to call it just and be like, yo,
Speaker 3: we'll give you a third, just to move up one
Speaker 3: spot to get this guy.
Speaker 1: What do you make of the Jets wide receiver room.
Speaker 5: We've got an alpha, you got a stud, you got
Speaker 5: a game breaking talent, and Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 1: You add Josh Reynolds in free agency.
Speaker 5: Guy's got a lot of system familiarity going back to
Speaker 5: his days in Detroit. He played in Denver last year,
Speaker 5: so he's got relationships with both Aaron Glenn and Darren
Speaker 5: Mugi and then off a lot of people thought that, hey,
Speaker 5: Allens are it's likely to be released, but he was restructured.
Speaker 5: So back you got a couple of young guys. I'm
Speaker 5: not closing the book on Melochai Corley. I think that
Speaker 5: would be fair year. You can't exactly and you got
Speaker 5: the X man coming back as well.
Speaker 1: What do you make of the wide receiver room? How
Speaker 1: much of a need is it early to draft?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a need.
Speaker 3: I think when it comes down to it, you're probably
Speaker 3: going to look to see if you can solidify your
Speaker 3: number two spot. Now, can Josh Rentals be a guy
Speaker 3: that solidifies the number two spot? Can Allen Lizards step
Speaker 3: up and be a guy that's maybe you're two or three.
Speaker 3: Another guy that's a dark horse that I really like,
Speaker 3: Tyler Johnson. I think he could be a dark horse
Speaker 3: on this on this team to be yeah in regards,
Speaker 3: because I feel like every time a team is called
Speaker 3: upon him, whether it's in Tampa, whether it's at the REMP,
Speaker 3: he's made plays. Like he just makes plays when he's
Speaker 3: called upon. So I think he can be a dark
Speaker 3: horse guy that potentially battles for like that number three,
Speaker 3: maybe for receiver spot, but every once in a while,
Speaker 3: I say, somebody gets dinged up, you can rely on
Speaker 3: him because he has a track record of making plays
Speaker 3: in his past.
Speaker 2: So I think it is our area.
Speaker 3: They'll target it in the second or third round, and
Speaker 3: I think that's really where the great value for receivers.
Speaker 3: Like people haven't been as high on this receiver class.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you right now, ea. And that's second, third round.
Speaker 3: There's gonna be some really good value and there's gonna
Speaker 3: be some guys that will be solid number two for
Speaker 3: a long time in the NFL.
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Speaker 1: That's something to keep in mind. All are you ready
Speaker 1: for some questions? Here we go. We got a bunch
Speaker 1: of let's do it.
Speaker 5: Tall Sean writes in if the Jets draft Warren, is
Speaker 5: it mandatory they drafts an offensive alignment with their second pick?
Speaker 1: Is it a choice between Xavier?
Speaker 5: If it's a choice between Xavier Watts, the Notre Dame
Speaker 5: safety of course.
Speaker 1: And right tackle five, who are you taking in?
Speaker 3: Why right tackle five might get in get in the
Speaker 3: first round. That's like Josh Cornery or Josh or Simmons
Speaker 3: from Ohio State. So depending on how you have them
Speaker 3: on your board, I think both of those guys get
Speaker 3: in the back of the first round. So now you're
Speaker 3: talking about like offensive tackle six, and I'm so glad he.
Speaker 2: Bought that up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you know, I've been pounding the table saying
Speaker 3: safety is not even an underrat It's a major need
Speaker 3: on this team. Just the way that this roster is constructed, right,
Speaker 3: we have a lot of free safeties. I think Wats
Speaker 3: is a guy that can live in the box. I
Speaker 3: talked about Andrew mccooba on our Judge Overtime show. He's
Speaker 3: a guy I think you live in a box. I
Speaker 3: think it's interesting. I just again, it just depends on
Speaker 3: the value of your big board and where you have
Speaker 3: guys slotted right. Do you have maybe the fifth or
Speaker 3: sixth offensive tackle slated higher than the Xavier Wats does
Speaker 3: a guy like Malachi Starks does he fall to the
Speaker 3: second round? Like these are the things that you have
Speaker 3: to consider when it comes to your big board and
Speaker 3: where you want to slot guys.
Speaker 2: I think there'll be some good offensive tackles that even
Speaker 2: go in the third round.
Speaker 3: Like a guy like Ozzy Trapillo is a guy from
Speaker 3: Boston College that could potentially go in the third round,
Speaker 3: and that would be great value to get him in
Speaker 3: the third round. I know people are high on arionte Ezeri.
Speaker 3: He's probably gonna go in the second round. Yeah, exactly
Speaker 3: from Minnesota. But could he actually make that transition to
Speaker 3: right tackle. He's the thing is he's so tall. He
Speaker 3: at times he struggles with guys that play with leverage
Speaker 3: because when you're like six six, it's hard to bend right.
Speaker 3: So that's where you have to weigh the options in
Speaker 3: regards to if you do go Tyler Warren in the
Speaker 3: first round, which.
Speaker 2: Again I love Tyler Rown. I just don't see it happening.
Speaker 1: That's why. That's why you're going to the offensive line
Speaker 1: in the first round. That's correct.
Speaker 2: I would always build through the trenches before anything else.
Speaker 3: You just have to weigh where you have a guy
Speaker 3: like Watts Macouba or even Starks if he falls to
Speaker 3: the second round, compared to where you have your fifth
Speaker 3: or sixth offensive tackle.
Speaker 1: I love Starks.
Speaker 5: I will say this, maybe this is a hot take,
Speaker 5: Watts could be there in round three.
Speaker 3: That's usually the good value of safety positions is the
Speaker 3: back of the second round. Third, Like, usually the top
Speaker 3: safety is going the second round. It's rare these days
Speaker 3: for safeties unless they're just game changing to go in
Speaker 3: the first round.
Speaker 2: Right, It's like it happens, but it does.
Speaker 3: Like I think last year's first safety was Tyler Nuban,
Speaker 3: who went in the second round, where even more I
Speaker 3: think will go in the first round because he is
Speaker 3: a cyborg, He's a different type of dude.
Speaker 2: And I think Starks has a really good chance.
Speaker 3: I think the Eagles make a lot of sense to
Speaker 3: thirty two, so you could get two.
Speaker 2: Safeties going in the first round.
Speaker 3: And then there's a guy like Wats maybe slide to
Speaker 3: the middle of the second round. Does Macouba slide to
Speaker 3: the middle of second round or even third round? Like,
Speaker 3: those are the questions you have to ask yourselves because
Speaker 3: those are the probably the two next guys after those
Speaker 3: two top safeties go all.
Speaker 1: Right, So this is at Drew G three.
Speaker 5: Why is it so difficult to develop quarterbacks and evaluate
Speaker 5: them effectively? I think if anybody had the answer on that,
Speaker 5: they'd be very rich.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I saw this question last night when I was going
Speaker 3: through my Twitter, And that's the interesting thing. Like fit matters,
Speaker 3: coaching matters, right. The funny thing is, and I've talked
Speaker 3: I've stated this before e when it comes to quarterback development,
Speaker 3: a lot of times too many coaches try to make
Speaker 3: a player fit them system, it's their system, instead of
Speaker 3: really highlighting what the player does well. And that's where
Speaker 3: you get in trouble and people call people bust. But
Speaker 3: it's like, no, you drafted this dude based off what
Speaker 3: he does, but now you're.
Speaker 2: Trying to make him do something else. It doesn't add up,
Speaker 2: it doesn't make sense. So like a lot of times,
Speaker 2: that's what it is.
Speaker 3: Right, going to the right place, and like sometimes I
Speaker 3: tell guys it's better not to go in the first round.
Speaker 3: You want to be like a Jalen Hurts and go
Speaker 3: in the second round and go to the right fit,
Speaker 3: a guy that's gonna get a Shane Stichen, a guy
Speaker 3: that's gonna coach you up and use your skill set
Speaker 3: specifically that way you have success.
Speaker 2: I think that's the biggest thing for Jalen Mirro.
Speaker 3: I know he got invited to Green Bay, which if
Speaker 3: you're invited to the draft a lot of times, maybe
Speaker 3: you are getting some talk that you could go first round,
Speaker 3: maybe early second. But for him, to me, I wouldn't
Speaker 3: even mind going into third if it's to the right
Speaker 3: team that's gonna develop me, because that's the most important
Speaker 3: thing ever. Plus there's an added pressure when you go
Speaker 3: in the first people assume you're going to be the savior.
Speaker 2: But when it's kind of crazy.
Speaker 3: Before my year in two thousand and eight, quarterbacks sat
Speaker 3: for like a year and some sat for like two
Speaker 3: or three years. It wasn't until oh wait, my class,
Speaker 3: right when we had Maddy Ice and then we had
Speaker 3: Joe Flacco. Those guys played as rookies and then now
Speaker 3: the rest of the league is like, well, that's the blueprint. No,
Speaker 3: that should not be the blueprint, because not every quarterback
Speaker 3: is created equal. Some guys need time to develop so
Speaker 3: they can have success.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's the problem with the draft I think
Speaker 5: heading into it is that everybody views these guys as
Speaker 5: finished products. The good teams are taking players that are talented,
Speaker 5: that have a very good mental skill set, but they're
Speaker 5: not finished products, and they're bringing them into their building
Speaker 5: and they're coaching them up and they're developing them at
Speaker 5: all positions. And oh, by the way, playing quarterback in
Speaker 5: the National Football League and playing quarterback at the college level,
Speaker 5: they're totally different sports. I mean, we're watching college quarterbacks
Speaker 5: a lot of times look to the sideline for the play.
Speaker 5: They're not analyzing what's happening at the line of scrimmags.
Speaker 5: They're taking the ball and a lot oftentimes you see
Speaker 5: quarterbacks that have a lot of success too.
Speaker 1: They're not asked to do too much reading. It's that
Speaker 1: first progression and just get rid of the ball. That's it.
Speaker 1: This is a different games on this level.
Speaker 3: I'm so glad you brought that up, EA, and I
Speaker 3: think there's been a detriment to college quarterbacks because of that,
Speaker 3: and it's because these college coaches are nervous of losing
Speaker 3: their jobs. Right, there's a lot of half field reads,
Speaker 3: like we're gonna make it easy that way, the first
Speaker 3: or second read is open if not take off with
Speaker 3: the football, right, So as far as development, these young
Speaker 3: guys don't get that because the college coach is so
Speaker 3: worried about that guy making mistakes and potentially losing games
Speaker 3: that it could equate to them losing their job. So
Speaker 3: like they're like, it's more important for me to even
Speaker 3: if it's a gimmick offense for us to get wins
Speaker 3: than to actually develop guys for the pro game. And
Speaker 3: that's why I think there's been a drop off when
Speaker 3: it comes to a lot of these quarterbacks because a
Speaker 3: lot of times back in the day, coaches would allow
Speaker 3: players to go through their growing pains, right because if
Speaker 3: they knew that they were going to be a really
Speaker 3: good prospect down the road, and they knew they had
Speaker 3: job security, Like, if I know I'm gonna be here
Speaker 3: for minimum two or three four years, I can allow
Speaker 3: this guy in his first year to make mistakes. But
Speaker 3: now that's not the case because you know with boosters
Speaker 3: and nil like these these these teams will buy your
Speaker 3: contract out and it'll allow you and allow you to
Speaker 3: go see greener passers and bring somebody else in. So
Speaker 3: I think that's been the biggest issue when it comes
Speaker 3: to development of the college quarterback.
Speaker 2: Again, they don't get full phil reads.
Speaker 3: A lot of half field reads where like these two
Speaker 3: routes over here are dead, they're not even on, and
Speaker 3: just that guy is gonna be open. We're gonna make
Speaker 3: sure he's open based off what we see the defense do.
Speaker 3: Like you said, quarterbacks look at the sideline and the
Speaker 3: coaches in their ear saying, well, this is what they're
Speaker 3: in there in quarters defense. That flat route should be
Speaker 3: open like when he's open.
Speaker 1: Right. Another problem with the portal, and we could talk
Speaker 1: about this forever, is.
Speaker 5: That they don't even have continuity in school. So if
Speaker 5: they're playing in one system for one year, then they're
Speaker 5: going to another school, they're picking up a new system.
Speaker 5: You know, there's guys that are hard to develop, I mean,
Speaker 5: a hard to analyze in terms of your draft prop
Speaker 5: like Jackson Dart for instance. Listen, he's a wonderful athlete
Speaker 5: and he did a lot of good things at college.
Speaker 1: And I'm not taking a shot at the kid. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying using him.
Speaker 5: For example, he plays with a very good offensive signal
Speaker 5: caller in Lane Kiffin, and he's tremendously athletic. But what
Speaker 5: he did in college and what he's going to do
Speaker 5: in the NFL, it's totally different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's why the Singer Bowl is important for him,
Speaker 3: because one doesn't really take snaps under center.
Speaker 2: He had to do that at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 3: And then also now instead of those half field reads
Speaker 3: I was talking about, which oh miss runs a lot of,
Speaker 3: you got to go through full progressions, right, And I
Speaker 3: actually thought he really asserted himself well at the Senior
Speaker 3: Bowl because that was his biggest question. EA, like, he's
Speaker 3: in a gimmicky offense that doesn't really translate to the NFL.
Speaker 3: So how do we really, you know, scout this guy
Speaker 3: and what's his ceiling like because he actually hasn't been
Speaker 3: asked to do this in college, Like, where is our
Speaker 3: faith level that we can teach him to read these
Speaker 3: full progressions? One thing I will tell you is he's
Speaker 3: one of the toughest quarterbacks in the in this draft.
Speaker 3: Because he was saying to take a hit and throw
Speaker 3: the ball.
Speaker 5: He's tough, he's got a big arm, he's a winner.
Speaker 5: And you're right, you know you were there, you reported
Speaker 5: on it as it was happening. That really helped his
Speaker 5: stock what he did at the senior Bawl. But you're
Speaker 5: talking about a couple of days. You're talking about a
Speaker 5: couple of days. Is he gonna go in the first round?
Speaker 2: It's crazy?
Speaker 3: Like, my thing is that if Shador goes top to
Speaker 3: I think there's a good chance that Jackson Dart does
Speaker 3: go in the first round. Like you know me, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I love him. I would be comfortable taking him in
Speaker 3: the second round. But you know this, quarterbacks get pushed
Speaker 3: up and this quarterback needy teams. And now with the
Speaker 3: conundrum with the Pittsburgh Steelers, could this be another scenario.
Speaker 3: The crazy thing is a lot of people have liken
Speaker 3: Jackson Dart to Kenny Pickett. I don't see it, but
Speaker 3: would that be interesting for them to take that Jackson
Speaker 3: Dart at twenty one after taking a guy like Kenny
Speaker 3: pick In a few years before that?
Speaker 5: Should we give him a hand on what's the comment
Speaker 5: Jets overtime? You said as far as a developmental passer.
Speaker 5: If the Jets are going to be looking at one,
Speaker 5: maybe in day two, day three, they're fine. Up top,
Speaker 5: you got justin Fields, you got Tyrod Tayler. But from
Speaker 5: a developmental perspective, you want war again.
Speaker 2: I win Jaylen Mirro.
Speaker 3: I think it makes a lot of sense, especially if
Speaker 3: he's there in the third round.
Speaker 2: But again, he got.
Speaker 3: Invited to the draft party, so like he may be
Speaker 3: going too because it's his traits out of this world.
Speaker 3: He when you talk about the athletic ability, like he
Speaker 3: is an elite athlete, like you turn on at Georgia game.
Speaker 2: He turned the LSU game and in.
Speaker 3: Both of those games, a lot of those players are
Speaker 3: going in the first round. He might've been the best
Speaker 3: player on the field that day in both of those games,
Speaker 3: which says a lot about Jayleen Mirroll.
Speaker 2: But that's the thing.
Speaker 3: His highs are very high, but his lows are low.
Speaker 3: When you go like to that Michigan game, it just
Speaker 3: wasn't good. At Oklahoma game, it just wasn't good at all.
Speaker 3: And he has a big arm. He can throw the
Speaker 3: ball down the field really well. We saw that with
Speaker 3: the freshman feet on Mayan Williams. You know, you know,
Speaker 3: blowing the top off the defense down there at Alabama.
Speaker 3: But he struggles with the layer throws and the intermediate throws,
Speaker 3: and that to me, I always give a baseball analogy
Speaker 3: like quarterback plays singles and doubles, like you got to
Speaker 3: hit the singles in doubles, like that's where you're gonna live.
Speaker 3: And he struggles with a lot of the doubles, right,
Speaker 3: So that's where he has to get better. And I
Speaker 3: sat down with the kid to combine great kid. Teammates
Speaker 3: love him, and he wants to he wants to work
Speaker 3: on this game.
Speaker 2: Like that's the thing.
Speaker 3: I asked him, Like people always ask, you know, prospects,
Speaker 3: what can you what can you.
Speaker 2: Do for us?
Speaker 3: I asked him, what do you want a team to
Speaker 3: do for you? Because I think that's important for a
Speaker 3: prospect that's going to a team, I need to know
Speaker 3: I'm going to be developed. And that was his biggest thing.
Speaker 3: He was like, he was like, coach me hard because
Speaker 3: you see something in me. He's like, I'm from a
Speaker 3: military background, I had Nick Saban. I only know how
Speaker 3: to get coached hard. He was like, that's the thing.
Speaker 3: Pour everything into me because I want to get better.
Speaker 3: And I love that answer from him, because again, people
Speaker 3: always ask what can you do for the team. But
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, we talked about this earlier,
Speaker 3: EA when it comes to potential draft bust at the
Speaker 3: quarterback position, Like, how are you developing this kid once
Speaker 3: you bring him into the building.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm uh. Gus asked, we're gonna go rapid fire
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: Dude.
Speaker 5: If the Jets straight down, how far do you think
Speaker 5: they would be prepared to drop?
Speaker 3: Again, Yeah, you gotta have a trade partner. I just
Speaker 3: don't think this is the draft where that happens. But
Speaker 3: for them to make sure they still get like a
Speaker 3: blue collar, blue chip player, I could see them not
Speaker 3: trading past pick eleven.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, fair enough.
Speaker 5: How about a danger zone tackles on day two that
Speaker 5: we could target. How to balance needing to take a
Speaker 5: guy now versus flipping a pick into next year like
Speaker 5: we did last year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we talked about this earlier. Say they take
Speaker 3: Tyler Warren, do they go off with the tackle? And
Speaker 3: on the second day, I'll give you a couple. Anthony
Speaker 3: Belton as a.
Speaker 2: Guy that I like.
Speaker 3: I think he can make the transition from NC State
Speaker 3: to right tackle if you needed them, big physical offensive
Speaker 3: tackle that for his size actually moves really well. He
Speaker 3: makes a lot of sense. I already talked about Ozzie Trapillo.
Speaker 3: He makes a lot of sense if he's there in
Speaker 3: the you know, second round, say they trade back in
Speaker 3: the second round or even in the third round. Those
Speaker 3: are two guys I think that make a lot of
Speaker 3: sense for the Jets if they were to take a
Speaker 3: tackle on Day two.
Speaker 1: Love it boy.
Speaker 5: Predict what position the Jets will take earlier, earlier than
Speaker 5: anyone is expected.
Speaker 2: Safety?
Speaker 1: Yep, yep.
Speaker 3: Safety, That's that's the one. I think maybe second round.
Speaker 5: Nick asks, do you think the heavy emphasis in the
Speaker 5: draft cycle has on the first round creates two great
Speaker 5: a misconception of fans mind of a talent disparity disparity
Speaker 5: between they're in subsequent rounds. Do you think the heavy
Speaker 5: emphasis in the draft cycle on the first round creates
Speaker 5: too great a misconception and fans mind the talent disparity
Speaker 5: between the first round and subsequent rounds.
Speaker 3: That's actually a really good question. I just think it
Speaker 3: depends on the draft year. So like in this year,
Speaker 3: I would say when it comes to running back, deversive tackle, nah,
Speaker 3: because like you, guys should be definitely locked into rounds
Speaker 3: like two, three, and four because there's gonna be some
Speaker 3: quality starters in those rounds, right, So, but in certain
Speaker 3: position groups for sure, Like I think there's a big
Speaker 3: drop off in the first round when it comes to corners,
Speaker 3: and corners act potentially go in the second or third round.
Speaker 3: And honestly, Ea, when you look at the corner position,
Speaker 3: it's gonna get pretty dry after midway through the third round.
Speaker 3: So I could see those guys getting pushed up just
Speaker 3: because of the lack of depth. Like there'll be some
Speaker 3: quality guys maybe like nickel guys in the fourth round, fourth,
Speaker 3: fifth round, but the quality of corner is going to
Speaker 3: drop off significantly midway through the third round.
Speaker 2: So you have to you know this year, yeah, in
Speaker 2: this draft this year.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a good point about the position groups because
Speaker 5: when we talk about the draft, it's not the same
Speaker 5: for every position groups.
Speaker 2: Because exactly you.
Speaker 5: Were just tweeting about it before we came on that, Hey,
Speaker 5: you like some of the interior offensive linemen and to
Speaker 5: set the fourth rounds, I mean, this running back class
Speaker 5: has a lot of I mean, the tight end group
Speaker 5: goes well beyond warn this year and then correct and
Speaker 5: then the feature group of course, the defensive tackles and
Speaker 5: defensive line this year. Jim Jets, what's a long shot
Speaker 5: that no one's thinking of we could take?
Speaker 1: Could be any rounds? Good question, A long shot, I.
Speaker 3: Mean the long shot. I'll give you one in the
Speaker 3: first round. We talked about earlier age Jalen Walker. I
Speaker 3: just think he had He reminds me of a guy
Speaker 3: that the Jets had, and I know they're kicking themselves.
Speaker 3: They let walk out the door. And Carolina had and
Speaker 3: I know they're kicking themselves. They let him walk out
Speaker 3: the door. Frankie Luvu. That's what he reminds me of.
Speaker 3: An off ball linebacker that can rush on third down
Speaker 3: and could be multiple in regards to how versatile he
Speaker 3: is on defense. That's a chest piece that Aaron Glenn
Speaker 3: could use in multitude in a multitude of ways. Right,
Speaker 3: he could play on the edge. He could play off
Speaker 3: ball linebacker for especially in those three set line when
Speaker 3: we had the three linebackers in a traditional four to three.
Speaker 3: Say a team comes out in twelve personnel with two
Speaker 3: tight ends, he could be the guy on the edge
Speaker 3: as that Sam Becker and then on third down you
Speaker 3: put him outside and you maybe make Jermaine the joker
Speaker 3: inside and you have Will on the other side. I
Speaker 3: think that is kind of appeasing to a guy like
Speaker 3: Aaron Glenn.
Speaker 1: Oh man, that's a hell of a comparison, Frankie.
Speaker 2: That's what I saw when I saw his tape.
Speaker 5: Yeah, hey man, this is a lot of fun. I
Speaker 5: think we're going to try to catch up before the
Speaker 5: draft next week because we got to get.
Speaker 1: You a final mock.
Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. Full Jets final mock
Speaker 2: for all seven round.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. Thanks