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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Official Jets Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Dude's a lot of things going on.

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Speaker 5: We're a week out from the twenty twenty five NFL Draft.

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Speaker 1: Can you believe it's finally here?

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Speaker 2: It's crazy, ea.

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Speaker 3: I mean I remember, you know, being an indie with you,

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Speaker 3: and I felt like the draft was still so far away.

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Speaker 3: It was like over two months away. And literally now

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Speaker 3: we're seven days away from the twenty twenty five NFL Driver.

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Speaker 3: It's just interesting, right because as the NFL schedule has

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Speaker 3: expanded and college has expanded, it feels like everything just

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Speaker 3: kind of runs up on you real quick. But I'm excited, man,

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Speaker 3: seven days away from guys, you know, realize.

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Speaker 1: Man, there's so many things happening.

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Speaker 5: You just mentioned college schedule how about to transfer portal

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Speaker 5: and and i al and the NBA playoffs and the

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Speaker 5: NHL playoffs.

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Speaker 1: But football is king, Football is always king. It's the

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Speaker 1: National Football League.

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Speaker 2: Baby.

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Speaker 5: Right now, we're gonna get to a couple questions down

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Speaker 5: the line. We had a lot of participation when we

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Speaker 5: put that up on our social media accounts as far

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Speaker 5: as we're gonna be taking some questions during the podcast.

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Speaker 1: But as we sit here today, duce number seven overall, if.

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Speaker 5: The Jets stay there, is it amongst four players or

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Speaker 5: five players that you think ultimately the Jets will be

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Speaker 5: choosing from.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna say five, and I'm trying to name them

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Speaker 3: for you right our mom Imbu the off of the

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Speaker 3: tackle from Missouri, Ted Tyro McMillan from Arizona, the receiver

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Speaker 3: Tyler Warren tight end from Penn State, off chance Mason

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Speaker 3: Graham falls a couple spots Mason Graham and I think

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Speaker 3: a dark horse one and our guy Ethan Greenberg, me

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Speaker 3: and him talked about this when and this is his

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Speaker 3: dark horse for the number seven pick. Jalen Walker, I

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Speaker 3: think is a real possibility at the number seven overall

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Speaker 3: pick for the Jets. Again, it would depend on how

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Speaker 3: the draft board fell in front of the Jets, but

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Speaker 3: a lot of teams are high on him, and I

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Speaker 3: don't believe he gets past pick eight with the Carolina Panthers,

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Speaker 3: so I believe he's pretty high on the Jets draft

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Speaker 3: board as well.

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Speaker 5: Wow, would Will Campbell be in play if he was

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Speaker 5: there at seven?

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Speaker 2: If the draft goes kind of how I think it will.

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Speaker 3: We all assuming cam Ward's going number one overall, and

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Speaker 3: for all intents and purposes, it seems like Travis Hunter

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Speaker 3: will be the number two overall pick. So if you're

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Speaker 3: the Giants right now, they are doing some extensive work

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Speaker 3: on Shador Sanders, but I think they would like him

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Speaker 3: later in the draft, maybe a trade back up into

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Speaker 3: the first round. Abdul Carter is a generational type talent.

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Speaker 3: I think they it'd be hard for them to pass

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Speaker 3: up on that, right, so I assume he goes three overall.

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Speaker 3: I think the Patriots are run Will Campbell's card in

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Speaker 3: because he's the most technically sound offensive tackle in this draft.

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Speaker 3: It's literally like he's on easy Street at times when

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Speaker 3: he's in pass pro, he makes it look easy at times.

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Speaker 3: I don't people will get at the arm length but

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Speaker 3: again with offensive line of defensive line play, it's all

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Speaker 3: about angles, right, offensive tackles. A guy that I went

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Speaker 3: up against in the league that's really good at still

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Speaker 3: playing at a high level Lane Johnson, Yeah, he never

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Speaker 3: gave you the same pass set. He gave you a

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Speaker 3: different angle every time. So, like when it comes to armlngth,

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Speaker 3: depending on your aiming point and how the offensive tackle

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Speaker 3: and I love the dog mentality that he has. He

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Speaker 3: you're trying to rechange that culture and get back to

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Speaker 5: So with that being said, you've been saying for months

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Speaker 5: So if you take Campbell off, you take Graham off,

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Speaker 5: then your left with Mambo Warren and Walker.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then outside chance, outside chance McMillan, So yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know me, I'm going trenches, right. I

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Speaker 3: think putting Arman Mimbo with our other starting four guys

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Speaker 3: would make one of the best young offensive lines in football.

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Speaker 3: And when the Jets had success in twenty ten, you

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Speaker 3: know twenty eleven, it was based off of a young,

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Speaker 3: most sense. You have a quarterback that has a rare

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Speaker 3: have three really good running backs. Aaron Glenn comes from

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Speaker 3: like that, ea, that Membu would be the pig.

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Speaker 5: So we've shrunk the field of four and your point

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Speaker 5: towards Membo. How much do you consider because the Jets

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Speaker 5: you look at the Jets offensive line, how much do

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Speaker 5: factor in the equation the possible flexibility they got an

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Speaker 5: offseason with the addition to Josh Myers, because I'm not

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Speaker 5: saying they want to do that, because Darren Muji was

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Speaker 5: Elijah Vera Tucker a guard. But if you ever get

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Speaker 5: Tipman does have experience playing guard, AVT has experienced playing tackle.

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Speaker 5: And then other thing is the wild card in all

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that's why they were strategic in

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Speaker 3: the moves they made.

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Speaker 2: We kind of talked about this hea.

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Speaker 3: They went after guys that maybe didn't have their best

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Speaker 3: and I think that's the reason why they brought those

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Speaker 3: we have to take a right tackle with our first pick.

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Speaker 3: But I just think the writings on the Wall. The

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Speaker 3: upside that Membo has, he has the highest upside in

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Speaker 3: this draft. Really runs off the football at athletic offensive

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Speaker 3: at four nine to one, which is absurd. That lets

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Speaker 3: you know the type of speed and get off he

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Speaker 3: has off the ball, finishes in the run game, and

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Speaker 3: has really good feet. So like that's those are the

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Speaker 3: when you're looking at offensive tackles.

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Speaker 2: Right, how quick is he off the step? Right?

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Speaker 3: Can he cut guys off on the backside? Can he

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: What's his mentality when he gets hands on guys? Does

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Speaker 3: he like to finish guys? We've seen that from Arma

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Speaker 3: Mimbu and then the pass pro. Is he a fluid athlete?

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Speaker 3: Does he have the footwork? And can he sit on power?

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Speaker 3: And Mimbo can do all those things. Now, people kind

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Speaker 3: of said, like he's a shorter bill offensive tackles. I

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Speaker 3: think he's like around like sixty three, but his armleank

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Speaker 3: people were saying even that was short, and I'm like,

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Speaker 3: when did that become short? Ro I thought thirty two,

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Speaker 3: have become shorter? Armland so it never affected him. On

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Speaker 3: the film, I watch.

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Speaker 5: How about two of the top prospects in this draft class,

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Speaker 5: everybody's talking about their short arms, and listen, the production

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Speaker 5: just pops all the time out there, and he is

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Speaker 5: considered the best defensive tackle in a loaded defensive tackle class. Okay,

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Speaker 5: so fans at home might be saying, hey, dudes, good points,

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Speaker 5: But Tyler Warren could help us in the run game,

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Speaker 5: he can help us in the past game. Maybe he's

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Speaker 5: not gonna stretch it vertically like a Bowers, but also

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Speaker 5: factor in the deb chart. Dudes, when you look at Rutger,

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Speaker 5: Tyler Conklin obviously departed in free agency, and then you

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Speaker 5: bring out Stone Smart who can stretch it himself, He's

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Speaker 5: probably gonna get more opportunities.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting to watch his development.

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Speaker 5: But why maybe you're angling towards Membo as opposed to

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Speaker 5: Warren because people, a lot of people on the warrant

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Speaker 5: the run game, dude. And maybe he's not gonna be

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Speaker 5: but he's gonna be a productive pass catcher.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I love Tyler Warren.

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Speaker 3: The NFL, though, is based off of facts and what

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Speaker 3: we've seen in the past. Right, They like to follow

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Speaker 3: I'm a big proponent of never rank or put somebody

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Speaker 3: in a certain position because they play a certain position. Right,

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Speaker 3: But history does have facts, and there is a graphic

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Speaker 3: that shows you that positional value is real. When it

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Speaker 3: comes to taking guys in the top ten, you know,

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Speaker 3: those are usually offensive tackles, guys that can affect the quarterback,

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Speaker 3: guys that can throw the ball which are quarterbacks, and

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Speaker 3: guys that catch the ball from quarterbacks, because those are

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Speaker 2: That can immediately affect the game.

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Speaker 3: I look at the history and going back since twenty fourteen,

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Speaker 3: I believe there's been three tight ends that went in

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Speaker 3: the top ten.

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Speaker 2: Can you name him? I can name him, but can

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Speaker 2: you name them me?

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Speaker 5: A Can I name him? I would say, you're catching

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Speaker 5: me off guard right now. It went at top ten.

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Speaker 5: Oh Pitts, Yeah, obviously was Bower's top ten.

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, no he was eleven.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't.

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Speaker 5: He wasn't because the jet's head.

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Speaker 2: No, he might have been. He actually might have been twelve.

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Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm struggling.

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Speaker 3: I'll give you a hit. One was a tight end

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Speaker 1: M North Carolina, Eric Ebron, oh my god.

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Speaker 2: And TJ. Hockinson. Okay, do you see where I'm going here.

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Speaker 1: That's a good one, man. The Ebron one, nobody's getting

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Speaker 1: unless they studied this one. Come in it.

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Speaker 2: So this is my thing.

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Speaker 3: I love Tyler Warren and again I'm a big proponent

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Speaker 3: of never because the argument with the running back position

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Speaker 3: Yet I'm not because this was a scenario lack last year,

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Speaker 1: That would be a big time curve.

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Speaker 2: No no.

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Speaker 1: But this is why the draft is so much fun.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, if the Raiders don't take Gent at six, will

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Speaker 3: I think the team that picks right behind the Jets

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Speaker 3: But if that were to happen, I guarantee Ryan Poles

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Speaker 2: So I think a few teams would call.

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Speaker 2: And maybe it's a similar trade.

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Speaker 3: And again I don't see him getting past six, but

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because I think that'd be fascinating if he got

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Speaker 1: To your point.

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Speaker 5: The way you view it is there's three game changing

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Speaker 1: Ten, even though it's historically good class right correct.

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Speaker 3: And the funny thing is they were showing some behind

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Speaker 3: the scenes of the Detroit Lions brash when they took Jamaicauz.

445
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Speaker 3: Let's not forget they traded back that year, so they

446
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Speaker 3: were nervous that the team was gonna take him. They

447
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Speaker 3: had him as like a top five player on their

448
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Speaker 3: draft board, so they would have been willing to take

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Speaker 3: him in like eight, but they figured, what's not, let's

450
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Speaker 3: let's get some draft capitol because guy's gonna move up

451
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Speaker 3: to get other players. I don't think they viewed Jamir

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Speaker 3: how we view him, right, So that's the thing Ryan

453
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Speaker 3: Poles and Ben Johnson, like, how do they like, how

454
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Speaker 3: do they view Jenty?

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Speaker 2: Is he generational like he is? In my eyes?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 3: Are they willing to call it just and be like, yo,

458
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Speaker 3: we'll give you a third, just to move up one

459
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Speaker 3: spot to get this guy.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of the Jets wide receiver room.

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Speaker 5: We've got an alpha, you got a stud, you got

462
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Speaker 5: a game breaking talent, and Garrett Wilson.

463
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Speaker 1: You add Josh Reynolds in free agency.

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Speaker 5: Guy's got a lot of system familiarity going back to

465
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Speaker 5: his days in Detroit. He played in Denver last year,

466
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Speaker 5: so he's got relationships with both Aaron Glenn and Darren

467
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Speaker 5: Mugi and then off a lot of people thought that, hey,

468
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Speaker 5: Allens are it's likely to be released, but he was restructured.

469
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Speaker 5: So back you got a couple of young guys. I'm

470
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Speaker 5: not closing the book on Melochai Corley. I think that

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Speaker 5: would be fair year. You can't exactly and you got

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Speaker 5: the X man coming back as well.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of the wide receiver room? How

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Speaker 1: much of a need is it early to draft?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a need.

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Speaker 3: I think when it comes down to it, you're probably

477
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Speaker 3: going to look to see if you can solidify your

478
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Speaker 3: number two spot. Now, can Josh Rentals be a guy

479
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Speaker 3: that solidifies the number two spot? Can Allen Lizards step

480
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Speaker 3: up and be a guy that's maybe you're two or three.

481
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Speaker 3: Another guy that's a dark horse that I really like,

482
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Speaker 3: Tyler Johnson. I think he could be a dark horse

483
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Speaker 3: on this on this team to be yeah in regards,

484
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Speaker 3: because I feel like every time a team is called

485
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Speaker 3: upon him, whether it's in Tampa, whether it's at the REMP,

486
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Speaker 3: he's made plays. Like he just makes plays when he's

487
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Speaker 3: called upon. So I think he can be a dark

488
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Speaker 3: horse guy that potentially battles for like that number three,

489
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Speaker 3: maybe for receiver spot, but every once in a while,

490
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Speaker 3: I say, somebody gets dinged up, you can rely on

491
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Speaker 3: him because he has a track record of making plays

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Speaker 3: in his past.

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Speaker 2: So I think it is our area.

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Speaker 3: They'll target it in the second or third round, and

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Speaker 3: I think that's really where the great value for receivers.

496
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Speaker 3: Like people haven't been as high on this receiver class.

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you right now, ea. And that's second, third round.

498
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Speaker 3: There's gonna be some really good value and there's gonna

499
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Speaker 3: be some guys that will be solid number two for

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Speaker 3: a long time in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: That's something to keep in mind. All are you ready

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Speaker 1: for some questions? Here we go. We got a bunch

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Speaker 1: of let's do it.

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Speaker 5: Tall Sean writes in if the Jets draft Warren, is

509
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Speaker 5: it mandatory they drafts an offensive alignment with their second pick?

510
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Speaker 1: Is it a choice between Xavier?

511
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Speaker 5: If it's a choice between Xavier Watts, the Notre Dame

512
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Speaker 5: safety of course.

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Speaker 1: And right tackle five, who are you taking in?

514
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Speaker 3: Why right tackle five might get in get in the

515
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Speaker 3: first round. That's like Josh Cornery or Josh or Simmons

516
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Speaker 3: from Ohio State. So depending on how you have them

517
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Speaker 3: on your board, I think both of those guys get

518
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Speaker 3: in the back of the first round. So now you're

519
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Speaker 3: talking about like offensive tackle six, and I'm so glad he.

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Speaker 2: Bought that up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because you know, I've been pounding the table saying

522
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Speaker 3: safety is not even an underrat It's a major need

523
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Speaker 3: on this team. Just the way that this roster is constructed, right,

524
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Speaker 3: we have a lot of free safeties. I think Wats

525
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Speaker 3: is a guy that can live in the box. I

526
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Speaker 3: talked about Andrew mccooba on our Judge Overtime show. He's

527
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Speaker 3: a guy I think you live in a box. I

528
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Speaker 3: think it's interesting. I just again, it just depends on

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Speaker 3: the value of your big board and where you have

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Speaker 3: guys slotted right. Do you have maybe the fifth or

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Speaker 3: sixth offensive tackle slated higher than the Xavier Wats does

532
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Speaker 3: a guy like Malachi Starks does he fall to the

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Speaker 3: second round? Like these are the things that you have

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Speaker 3: to consider when it comes to your big board and

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Speaker 3: where you want to slot guys.

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Speaker 2: I think there'll be some good offensive tackles that even

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Speaker 2: go in the third round.

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Speaker 3: Like a guy like Ozzy Trapillo is a guy from

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Speaker 3: Boston College that could potentially go in the third round,

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Speaker 3: and that would be great value to get him in

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Speaker 3: the third round. I know people are high on arionte Ezeri.

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Speaker 3: He's probably gonna go in the second round. Yeah, exactly

543
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Speaker 3: from Minnesota. But could he actually make that transition to

544
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Speaker 3: right tackle. He's the thing is he's so tall. He

545
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Speaker 3: at times he struggles with guys that play with leverage

546
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Speaker 3: because when you're like six six, it's hard to bend right.

547
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Speaker 3: So that's where you have to weigh the options in

548
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Speaker 3: regards to if you do go Tyler Warren in the

549
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Speaker 3: first round, which.

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Speaker 2: Again I love Tyler Rown. I just don't see it happening.

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Speaker 1: That's why. That's why you're going to the offensive line

552
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Speaker 1: in the first round. That's correct.

553
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Speaker 2: I would always build through the trenches before anything else.

554
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Speaker 3: You just have to weigh where you have a guy

555
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Speaker 3: like Watts Macouba or even Starks if he falls to

556
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Speaker 3: the second round, compared to where you have your fifth

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Speaker 3: or sixth offensive tackle.

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Speaker 1: I love Starks.

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Speaker 5: I will say this, maybe this is a hot take,

560
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Speaker 5: Watts could be there in round three.

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Speaker 3: That's usually the good value of safety positions is the

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Speaker 3: back of the second round. Third, Like, usually the top

563
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Speaker 3: safety is going the second round. It's rare these days

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Speaker 3: for safeties unless they're just game changing to go in

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Speaker 3: the first round.

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Speaker 2: Right, It's like it happens, but it does.

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Speaker 3: Like I think last year's first safety was Tyler Nuban,

568
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Speaker 3: who went in the second round, where even more I

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Speaker 3: think will go in the first round because he is

570
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Speaker 3: a cyborg, He's a different type of dude.

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Speaker 2: And I think Starks has a really good chance.

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Speaker 3: I think the Eagles make a lot of sense to

573
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Speaker 3: thirty two, so you could get two.

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Speaker 2: Safeties going in the first round.

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Speaker 3: And then there's a guy like Wats maybe slide to

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Speaker 3: the middle of the second round. Does Macouba slide to

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Speaker 3: the middle of second round or even third round? Like,

578
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Speaker 3: those are the questions you have to ask yourselves because

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Speaker 3: those are the probably the two next guys after those

580
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Speaker 3: two top safeties go all.

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Speaker 1: Right, So this is at Drew G three.

582
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Speaker 5: Why is it so difficult to develop quarterbacks and evaluate

583
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Speaker 5: them effectively? I think if anybody had the answer on that,

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Speaker 5: they'd be very rich.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I saw this question last night when I was going

587
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Speaker 3: through my Twitter, And that's the interesting thing. Like fit matters,

588
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 3: coaching matters, right. The funny thing is, and I've talked

589
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Speaker 3: I've stated this before e when it comes to quarterback development,

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Speaker 3: a lot of times too many coaches try to make

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Speaker 3: a player fit them system, it's their system, instead of

592
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Speaker 3: really highlighting what the player does well. And that's where

593
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Speaker 3: you get in trouble and people call people bust. But

594
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Speaker 3: it's like, no, you drafted this dude based off what

595
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Speaker 3: he does, but now you're.

596
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Speaker 2: Trying to make him do something else. It doesn't add up,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't make sense. So like a lot of times,

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Speaker 2: that's what it is.

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Speaker 3: Right, going to the right place, and like sometimes I

600
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Speaker 3: tell guys it's better not to go in the first round.

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Speaker 3: You want to be like a Jalen Hurts and go

602
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Speaker 3: in the second round and go to the right fit,

603
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Speaker 3: a guy that's gonna get a Shane Stichen, a guy

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Speaker 3: that's gonna coach you up and use your skill set

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Speaker 3: specifically that way you have success.

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Speaker 2: I think that's the biggest thing for Jalen Mirro.

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Speaker 3: I know he got invited to Green Bay, which if

608
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Speaker 3: you're invited to the draft a lot of times, maybe

609
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Speaker 3: you are getting some talk that you could go first round,

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Speaker 3: maybe early second. But for him, to me, I wouldn't

611
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Speaker 3: even mind going into third if it's to the right

612
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Speaker 3: team that's gonna develop me, because that's the most important

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Speaker 3: thing ever. Plus there's an added pressure when you go

614
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Speaker 3: in the first people assume you're going to be the savior.

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Speaker 2: But when it's kind of crazy.

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Speaker 3: Before my year in two thousand and eight, quarterbacks sat

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Speaker 3: for like a year and some sat for like two

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Speaker 3: or three years. It wasn't until oh wait, my class,

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Speaker 3: right when we had Maddy Ice and then we had

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Speaker 3: Joe Flacco. Those guys played as rookies and then now

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Speaker 3: the rest of the league is like, well, that's the blueprint. No,

622
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Speaker 3: that should not be the blueprint, because not every quarterback

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Speaker 3: is created equal. Some guys need time to develop so

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Speaker 3: they can have success.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's the problem with the draft I think

626
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Speaker 5: heading into it is that everybody views these guys as

627
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Speaker 5: finished products. The good teams are taking players that are talented,

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Speaker 5: that have a very good mental skill set, but they're

629
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Speaker 5: not finished products, and they're bringing them into their building

630
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Speaker 5: and they're coaching them up and they're developing them at

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Speaker 5: all positions. And oh, by the way, playing quarterback in

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Speaker 5: the National Football League and playing quarterback at the college level,

633
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 5: they're totally different sports. I mean, we're watching college quarterbacks

634
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Speaker 5: a lot of times look to the sideline for the play.

635
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Speaker 5: They're not analyzing what's happening at the line of scrimmags.

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Speaker 5: They're taking the ball and a lot oftentimes you see

637
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Speaker 5: quarterbacks that have a lot of success too.

638
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Speaker 1: They're not asked to do too much reading. It's that

639
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Speaker 1: first progression and just get rid of the ball. That's it.

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Speaker 1: This is a different games on this level.

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Speaker 3: I'm so glad you brought that up, EA, and I

642
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Speaker 3: think there's been a detriment to college quarterbacks because of that,

643
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Speaker 3: and it's because these college coaches are nervous of losing

644
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Speaker 3: their jobs. Right, there's a lot of half field reads,

645
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Speaker 3: like we're gonna make it easy that way, the first

646
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Speaker 3: or second read is open if not take off with

647
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Speaker 3: the football, right, So as far as development, these young

648
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 3: guys don't get that because the college coach is so

649
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,479
Speaker 3: worried about that guy making mistakes and potentially losing games

650
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Speaker 3: that it could equate to them losing their job. So

651
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 3: like they're like, it's more important for me to even

652
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 3: if it's a gimmick offense for us to get wins

653
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 3: than to actually develop guys for the pro game. And

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Speaker 3: that's why I think there's been a drop off when

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Speaker 3: it comes to a lot of these quarterbacks because a

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Speaker 3: lot of times back in the day, coaches would allow

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Speaker 3: players to go through their growing pains, right because if

658
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Speaker 3: they knew that they were going to be a really

659
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Speaker 3: good prospect down the road, and they knew they had

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Speaker 3: job security, Like, if I know I'm gonna be here

661
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Speaker 3: for minimum two or three four years, I can allow

662
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 3: this guy in his first year to make mistakes. But

663
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 3: now that's not the case because you know with boosters

664
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 3: and nil like these these these teams will buy your

665
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 3: contract out and it'll allow you and allow you to

666
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 3: go see greener passers and bring somebody else in. So

667
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 3: I think that's been the biggest issue when it comes

668
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 3: to development of the college quarterback.

669
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 2: Again, they don't get full phil reads.

670
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 3: A lot of half field reads where like these two

671
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 3: routes over here are dead, they're not even on, and

672
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 3: just that guy is gonna be open. We're gonna make

673
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 3: sure he's open based off what we see the defense do.

674
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 3: Like you said, quarterbacks look at the sideline and the

675
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 3: coaches in their ear saying, well, this is what they're

676
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 3: in there in quarters defense. That flat route should be

677
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 3: open like when he's open.

678
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: Right. Another problem with the portal, and we could talk

679
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: about this forever, is.

680
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 5: That they don't even have continuity in school. So if

681
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 5: they're playing in one system for one year, then they're

682
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 5: going to another school, they're picking up a new system.

683
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 5: You know, there's guys that are hard to develop, I mean,

684
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 5: a hard to analyze in terms of your draft prop

685
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 5: like Jackson Dart for instance. Listen, he's a wonderful athlete

686
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 5: and he did a lot of good things at college.

687
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: And I'm not taking a shot at the kid. I'm

688
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: just saying using him.

689
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 5: For example, he plays with a very good offensive signal

690
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 5: caller in Lane Kiffin, and he's tremendously athletic. But what

691
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 5: he did in college and what he's going to do

692
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 5: in the NFL, it's totally different.

693
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's why the Singer Bowl is important for him,

694
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 3: because one doesn't really take snaps under center.

695
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 2: He had to do that at the Senior Bowl.

696
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 3: And then also now instead of those half field reads

697
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 3: I was talking about, which oh miss runs a lot of,

698
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 3: you got to go through full progressions, right, And I

699
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 3: actually thought he really asserted himself well at the Senior

700
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 3: Bowl because that was his biggest question. EA, like, he's

701
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 3: in a gimmicky offense that doesn't really translate to the NFL.

702
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 3: So how do we really, you know, scout this guy

703
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 3: and what's his ceiling like because he actually hasn't been

704
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 3: asked to do this in college, Like, where is our

705
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 3: faith level that we can teach him to read these

706
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 3: full progressions? One thing I will tell you is he's

707
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 3: one of the toughest quarterbacks in the in this draft.

708
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 3: Because he was saying to take a hit and throw

709
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 3: the ball.

710
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 5: He's tough, he's got a big arm, he's a winner.

711
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 5: And you're right, you know you were there, you reported

712
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 5: on it as it was happening. That really helped his

713
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 5: stock what he did at the senior Bawl. But you're

714
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 5: talking about a couple of days. You're talking about a

715
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 5: couple of days. Is he gonna go in the first round?

716
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 2: It's crazy?

717
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 3: Like, my thing is that if Shador goes top to

718
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 3: I think there's a good chance that Jackson Dart does

719
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 3: go in the first round. Like you know me, Yeah,

720
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 3: I love him. I would be comfortable taking him in

721
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 3: the second round. But you know this, quarterbacks get pushed

722
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 3: up and this quarterback needy teams. And now with the

723
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 3: conundrum with the Pittsburgh Steelers, could this be another scenario.

724
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,919
Speaker 3: The crazy thing is a lot of people have liken

725
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 3: Jackson Dart to Kenny Pickett. I don't see it, but

726
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 3: would that be interesting for them to take that Jackson

727
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 3: Dart at twenty one after taking a guy like Kenny

728
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:28,439
Speaker 3: pick In a few years before that?

729
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,240
Speaker 5: Should we give him a hand on what's the comment

730
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 5: Jets overtime? You said as far as a developmental passer.

731
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 5: If the Jets are going to be looking at one,

732
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 5: maybe in day two, day three, they're fine. Up top,

733
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 5: you got justin Fields, you got Tyrod Tayler. But from

734
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 5: a developmental perspective, you want war again.

735
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 2: I win Jaylen Mirro.

736
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 3: I think it makes a lot of sense, especially if

737
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 3: he's there in the third round.

738
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 2: But again, he got.

739
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 3: Invited to the draft party, so like he may be

740
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,919
Speaker 3: going too because it's his traits out of this world.

741
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 3: He when you talk about the athletic ability, like he

742
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 3: is an elite athlete, like you turn on at Georgia game.

743
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 2: He turned the LSU game and in.

744
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 3: Both of those games, a lot of those players are

745
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 3: going in the first round. He might've been the best

746
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 3: player on the field that day in both of those games,

747
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 3: which says a lot about Jayleen Mirroll.

748
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: But that's the thing.

749
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 3: His highs are very high, but his lows are low.

750
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 3: When you go like to that Michigan game, it just

751
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 3: wasn't good. At Oklahoma game, it just wasn't good at all.

752
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 3: And he has a big arm. He can throw the

753
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 3: ball down the field really well. We saw that with

754
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 3: the freshman feet on Mayan Williams. You know, you know,

755
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 3: blowing the top off the defense down there at Alabama.

756
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 3: But he struggles with the layer throws and the intermediate throws,

757
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 3: and that to me, I always give a baseball analogy

758
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 3: like quarterback plays singles and doubles, like you got to

759
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 3: hit the singles in doubles, like that's where you're gonna live.

760
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 3: And he struggles with a lot of the doubles, right,

761
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 3: So that's where he has to get better. And I

762
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 3: sat down with the kid to combine great kid. Teammates

763
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 3: love him, and he wants to he wants to work

764
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 3: on this game.

765
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 2: Like that's the thing.

766
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 3: I asked him, Like people always ask, you know, prospects,

767
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 3: what can you what can you.

768
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 2: Do for us?

769
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 3: I asked him, what do you want a team to

770
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 3: do for you? Because I think that's important for a

771
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 3: prospect that's going to a team, I need to know

772
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 3: I'm going to be developed. And that was his biggest thing.

773
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,959
Speaker 3: He was like, he was like, coach me hard because

774
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 3: you see something in me. He's like, I'm from a

775
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 3: military background, I had Nick Saban. I only know how

776
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 3: to get coached hard. He was like, that's the thing.

777
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 3: Pour everything into me because I want to get better.

778
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 3: And I love that answer from him, because again, people

779
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 3: always ask what can you do for the team. But

780
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, we talked about this earlier,

781
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 3: EA when it comes to potential draft bust at the

782
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 3: quarterback position, Like, how are you developing this kid once

783
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 3: you bring him into the building.

784
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: Mm hmm uh. Gus asked, we're gonna go rapid fire

785
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: right now.

786
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 2: Dude.

787
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 5: If the Jets straight down, how far do you think

788
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 5: they would be prepared to drop?

789
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 3: Again, Yeah, you gotta have a trade partner. I just

790
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 3: don't think this is the draft where that happens. But

791
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 3: for them to make sure they still get like a

792
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 3: blue collar, blue chip player, I could see them not

793
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:07,720
Speaker 3: trading past pick eleven.

794
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, fair enough.

795
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 5: How about a danger zone tackles on day two that

796
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 5: we could target. How to balance needing to take a

797
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 5: guy now versus flipping a pick into next year like

798
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 5: we did last year.

799
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we talked about this earlier. Say they take

800
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 3: Tyler Warren, do they go off with the tackle? And

801
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 3: on the second day, I'll give you a couple. Anthony

802
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 3: Belton as a.

803
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 2: Guy that I like.

804
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 3: I think he can make the transition from NC State

805
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 3: to right tackle if you needed them, big physical offensive

806
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 3: tackle that for his size actually moves really well. He

807
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 3: makes a lot of sense. I already talked about Ozzie Trapillo.

808
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 3: He makes a lot of sense if he's there in

809
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 3: the you know, second round, say they trade back in

810
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 3: the second round or even in the third round. Those

811
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 3: are two guys I think that make a lot of

812
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 3: sense for the Jets if they were to take a

813
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 3: tackle on Day two.

814
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: Love it boy.

815
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,439
Speaker 5: Predict what position the Jets will take earlier, earlier than

816
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 5: anyone is expected.

817
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 2: Safety?

818
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: Yep, yep.

819
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 3: Safety, That's that's the one. I think maybe second round.

820
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 5: Nick asks, do you think the heavy emphasis in the

821
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 5: draft cycle has on the first round creates two great

822
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 5: a misconception of fans mind of a talent disparity disparity

823
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 5: between they're in subsequent rounds. Do you think the heavy

824
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 5: emphasis in the draft cycle on the first round creates

825
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 5: too great a misconception and fans mind the talent disparity

826
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 5: between the first round and subsequent rounds.

827
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 3: That's actually a really good question. I just think it

828
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 3: depends on the draft year. So like in this year,

829
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,919
Speaker 3: I would say when it comes to running back, deversive tackle, nah,

830
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 3: because like you, guys should be definitely locked into rounds

831
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 3: like two, three, and four because there's gonna be some

832
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 3: quality starters in those rounds, right, So, but in certain

833
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,959
Speaker 3: position groups for sure, Like I think there's a big

834
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 3: drop off in the first round when it comes to corners,

835
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 3: and corners act potentially go in the second or third round.

836
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 3: And honestly, Ea, when you look at the corner position,

837
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 3: it's gonna get pretty dry after midway through the third round.

838
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 3: So I could see those guys getting pushed up just

839
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 3: because of the lack of depth. Like there'll be some

840
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 3: quality guys maybe like nickel guys in the fourth round, fourth,

841
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 3: fifth round, but the quality of corner is going to

842
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 3: drop off significantly midway through the third round.

843
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 2: So you have to you know this year, yeah, in

844
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 2: this draft this year.

845
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a good point about the position groups because

846
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,760
Speaker 5: when we talk about the draft, it's not the same

847
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 5: for every position groups.

848
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 2: Because exactly you.

849
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 5: Were just tweeting about it before we came on that, Hey,

850
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 5: you like some of the interior offensive linemen and to

851
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 5: set the fourth rounds, I mean, this running back class

852
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 5: has a lot of I mean, the tight end group

853
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 5: goes well beyond warn this year and then correct and

854
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 5: then the feature group of course, the defensive tackles and

855
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 5: defensive line this year. Jim Jets, what's a long shot

856
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 5: that no one's thinking of we could take?

857
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: Could be any rounds? Good question, A long shot, I.

858
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 3: Mean the long shot. I'll give you one in the

859
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 3: first round. We talked about earlier age Jalen Walker. I

860
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 3: just think he had He reminds me of a guy

861
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 3: that the Jets had, and I know they're kicking themselves.

862
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 3: They let walk out the door. And Carolina had and

863
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 3: I know they're kicking themselves. They let him walk out

864
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 3: the door. Frankie Luvu. That's what he reminds me of.

865
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 3: An off ball linebacker that can rush on third down

866
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 3: and could be multiple in regards to how versatile he

867
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 3: is on defense. That's a chest piece that Aaron Glenn

868
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 3: could use in multitude in a multitude of ways. Right,

869
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 3: he could play on the edge. He could play off

870
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 3: ball linebacker for especially in those three set line when

871
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 3: we had the three linebackers in a traditional four to three.

872
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 3: Say a team comes out in twelve personnel with two

873
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 3: tight ends, he could be the guy on the edge

874
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 3: as that Sam Becker and then on third down you

875
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 3: put him outside and you maybe make Jermaine the joker

876
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 3: inside and you have Will on the other side. I

877
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 3: think that is kind of appeasing to a guy like

878
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 3: Aaron Glenn.

879
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: Oh man, that's a hell of a comparison, Frankie.

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Speaker 2: That's what I saw when I saw his tape.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, hey man, this is a lot of fun. I

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Speaker 5: think we're going to try to catch up before the

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Speaker 5: draft next week because we got to get.

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Speaker 1: You a final mock.

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Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. Full Jets final mock

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Speaker 2: for all seven round.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. Thanks