1 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: Inside the Draft. This back for the final time with 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 1: the recap of the twenty twenty two NFL Draft. It's 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,399 Speaker 1: in the books. I'm Matt Taylor with Casey Valier and 4 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: we're breaking down the Colts draft and going around the 5 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: NFL a little bit today with our good friend joining 6 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 1: us is Jeff Diamond, the former general manager of the 7 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings and the Tennessee Titans. And Jeff, it's great 8 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: to have you back on again for another year. Let's 9 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: start off with the Colts Draft, get right into it. 10 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: A very high athletic draft, high on versatility. The Colts 11 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: wanted to get more explosive this offseason, especially on offense. 12 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: What did you make of what the Colts brought in 13 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: this past weekend as it relates to impact from guys 14 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 1: as rookies in year one. Yeah, I think first when 15 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: you evaluate the Colts draft, you start with Matt Ryan 16 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: and getting him for a third round pick, I thought 17 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: was really an excellent move for the Colts, and I 18 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: think he'll be an upgrade from Carson Wentz. It kind 19 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: of reminded me of when I traded for Warren Moon 20 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: I was Vikings GM in the mid nineties and traded 21 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: a couple of fourth round picks, which I guess would 22 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: be equivalent to a third to get Warren Moon. At 23 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: that point he was about thirty seven thirty eight years old, 24 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: and Matt Ryan, of course right now, I think he's 25 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: he's thirty six or whatever. And we've got some great 26 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: play from Warren Moon for several years and it helped 27 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: us win a division title his first year in Minnesota, 28 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: so I could see comparisons there and bringing in a 29 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: really top caliber a player and leader that Matt Ryan is. 30 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 1: So you start there, and then you give Matt Ryan 31 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: a nice new weapon and Alec Pierce, who I think 32 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: would be a really good fit immediately with Michael Pittman 33 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: as as potential starting wide receiver. And he's, as you said, 34 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: very athletic, sounds like he's a smart guy and big 35 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: guy at sixty three and two eleven and had good 36 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: production at Cincinnati, so so he's an exciting guy. And 37 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: Joannie Woods he could be just a phenomenal pick after 38 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: Chris Ballard out of this draft, and in terms of 39 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: his athleticism, A big guy at sixty seven and still 40 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: runs a four to six, and I think he's a 41 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: really good addition after Jack Doyle's retirement, and a good 42 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: pair with potentially with Molei Cox and down the road 43 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: and may take some development there, but that he is 44 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 1: definitely fast and can run, and his blocking is pretty 45 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: good and can improve and I'm sure they'll work with 46 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: him on that. And then Ryman a really interesting pick 47 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: out of Central Michigan. I think he's a guy that 48 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 1: that some have projected much higher in the draft. And 49 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: what caught my attention he only allowed one sack each 50 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: of the last two seasons, so that's good stuff there 51 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: as a potential starting enough to tackle down the road. 52 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 1: And I thought I thought Chris Baller did very well 53 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: without a first round pick in this draft and made 54 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: a trade up to get Cross and and he looks 55 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: like again a very athletic guy, runs really well at 56 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: about four to three and and so just I think 57 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: overall some good picks. I think a real sleeper guy 58 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: could be that Curtis Brooks from Cincinnati, the defensive lineman 59 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: and just kind of studying him and see how highly 60 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: rated he he has been in his college career on 61 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: pass rush and run defense and all that. So Curtis 62 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: Brooks could be a guy as he develops that he 63 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: could be a real sleeper out of this draft. So 64 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: I think the Colts did very well. Now, Jeff, before 65 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: we dive into just kind of player specific I want 66 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: to talk about that trade we talked about with the athleticism. 67 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: From your estimate, is this something that you know has 68 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: kind of been always important when you look at the 69 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: draft or is it just when that we have started 70 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: to realize here as of late. No, I think it's 71 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: always been important. I think that that you you certainly 72 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: in an age of specialization with players. You definitely want 73 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: guys who will fit your systems and all that, But 74 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: but athletes first and foremost the ability to play. And 75 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: I always told our scouts when we got in the 76 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: draft room and they start to analyze the measurables of speed, 77 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: the height and weight and all that, I would say, Okay, 78 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: what kind of there and how did they play in 79 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: college on the field. And I remember when guys like 80 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: Anthony Carter Chris Carter as tremendous receivers and they might 81 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: have run four six back in the day, four five five, 82 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: but when the ball is in the air, they know 83 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: how to go get it and make plays and get 84 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: open and so from that standpoint, again, the athleticism is 85 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: just so critical, and I think that's something that that 86 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: Chris Ballard obviously pays attention to and most gems today do. 87 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: And you look at at the overall first round in 88 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: the draft, you can just see that kind of athletic 89 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: ability and see these six wide receivers take it in 90 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: the first eighteen picks. Yeah. Yeah, some of these edge rushers, 91 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: guys like Walker and Hutchinson, and even some of the 92 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: some of the top corners Stanley and gart and Sauce Gartner. 93 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: I mean, these are really athletic guys, good players, and 94 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 1: I think they've got a great future in the league. Jeff, 95 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: when you look at Alec Pierce for the Colts, how 96 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: does he translate in year one? Does he remind you 97 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: of anybody in the league today? And just what kind 98 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 1: of role do you see from him as a rookie 99 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: here in Indianapolis. Yeah. I do think that he and 100 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: Michael Pittman our potential great pair for Matt Ryan, and 101 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: I could see him starting year one. We'll see what 102 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: happens with t Y Hilton in his future, but I 103 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 1: just see Alec Pearson as a guy with a lot 104 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 1: of upside, as you said, the athleticism, the smarts that 105 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: he brings. As far as a comparison, hard to say. 106 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: I know some people have talked about a Jordy Nelson 107 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: type comparison, and in terms of his size and speed 108 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: and ability, but we'll see how that plays out. I 109 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: think that one of the things we always have to 110 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: be careful about in drafts, and I always kind of 111 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: laugh when you get these draft grades from the so 112 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: called draft experts immediately after a draft, and the truth 113 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: of the matter is nobody really knows for two to 114 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: three years how guys are going to are going to 115 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: pan out. And occasionally you'll get a guy you know 116 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: right away in the first year, as happened with a 117 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson up in Minnesota, for example, in his rookie 118 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: year and he's continued to play great. But or Randy Moss, 119 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: who we drafted in my last draft in Minnesota before 120 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: I headed to Tennessee. And so sometimes you know right 121 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: away how they fit. But for other guys and alec Pears, 122 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: maybe a guy that you know fairly soon a few 123 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: years a starting job, or it may take some time. 124 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: But patience is really a key with draft choices, and 125 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: so it's just it's just hard to say right out 126 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: of the shoot on some of these guys, but you 127 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: certainly can get excited about about their their skill and 128 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,239 Speaker 1: athletic ability as you study them, and you see guys 129 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: like Pears and Woods and Ryman and Cross and even 130 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: down to a Brooks that there there's a lot of 131 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: talent there that can be cultivated and developed and then 132 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: it gets turned over the coaches and they got to 133 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: bring these guys along. Now, jeff you talked about, you know, 134 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: the impact we saw to justin Jefferson, we saw Jamar Chase, 135 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: Jalen Waddle, all these all these wide receivers that make 136 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: huge impacts as a rookie. Do you think that's negatively 137 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: affecting the position as you know, this high expectation that 138 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: some of these rookies are coming in at well. I 139 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: think it has for Dos, Jerry Judy, and it's been 140 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: it's been tough for some of the other players when 141 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: they get compared to to a Jefferson or or or 142 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: some of the other great great players that have come 143 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: in recent years. And just the wide receiver position itself 144 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: has been wild to see how it's risen for example, 145 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: in the salary scale when you see Davante Adams and 146 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: Tyree Teal getting these huge twenty eight million dollars year deals, 147 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: and wide receivers have have almost doubled what running backs 148 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: are making on the salary scale in terms of the 149 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: tom players, and so you can see certainly it's it's 150 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: a result of of a past heavy league and a 151 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: past emphasis league for the for the running backs that 152 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: are versatile players like Jonathan Taylor and Dalvin Cook and 153 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:55,719 Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey, it's kind of, I would think, very disconcerting 154 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: for those guys to see these receivers getting paid like 155 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: they are. And we'll see what happened something down the 156 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 1: road with Jonathan Taylor's upper contract for example, right, But 157 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: for now, it's just really interesting to me how the receivers, 158 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: it just in the last couple of years, have become 159 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 1: probably the second highest paid position, even surpassing or getting 160 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: right even with the edge and behind the quarterbacks. And 161 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: so it's just wide receiver, and as you said, it 162 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 1: does create an emphasis and a pressure, for example, for 163 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: for these top receivers, and starting with with Drake London, 164 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 1: who was I guess the first guy taken, and then 165 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 1: you had the run on receivers with Bert Wilson, Chris 166 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: Allaby and a whole bunch of guys that were taken. 167 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: As we said, with the six in the top eighteen 168 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: and then an Alec Pierce in the second round by 169 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: the Colts. And as a second round pick, he's not 170 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: going to feel quite that pressure that those first rounders do. 171 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: But yet he's certainly a guy that has the talent 172 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: to be developed and maybe have that kind of impact. Jeff, 173 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: as a former GM, as a guy that has sat 174 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: in that chair and had to make those tough decisions, 175 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: you just kind of talked about it. How how would 176 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: you handle that? I mean the A J. Brown situation 177 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: in Tennessee, the Tyreek Hill deal in Kansas City, Davante 178 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: Parker with the Packers. Uh, you know, if you have 179 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes or an Aaron Rodgers, it's tough to pay 180 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: you know, that guy thirty plus and then your star 181 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: receiver twenty five plus. I mean that eats up a 182 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: ton of your salary cap and then the rest of 183 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: your roster is like the dollar general, How how do 184 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 1: you how do you view how this is going? What 185 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: would you have done? As a former GM, if AJ 186 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: Brown's banging on your door saying I need to get 187 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 1: this U, it's a tough situation to be in because 188 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: you love the player, but you also have to think, 189 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: you know, holistically, about the rest of the roster and 190 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: what you're building long term. Yeah, I'm very difficult, and 191 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: I think it's good news for the Colts to get 192 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: a J Grown out of right. But we'll see how 193 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: Burkes pans out. But he's going to be a rookie 194 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: this year, so he's not going to have the kind 195 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 1: of impact that a J. Brown would have obviously, and 196 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: and what he's going to do in Philadelphia as a 197 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: proven guy. And so yeah, I think it's very tough. 198 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: And I can only imagine back in the day if 199 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: I'd had to deal with Randy Moss's second contract and 200 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: what he would have generated. And so it's tough for 201 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: these gms today with these receivers. And as you said, 202 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: because the wide receiver does not touch the ball on 203 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: every play as a quarterback does, he doesn't touch the 204 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,079 Speaker 1: ball as much as a running back does, which is 205 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: why it's partially partially surprising how the running backs have 206 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: been downgraded salary wise, and the wide receivers upgraded, right, 207 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: But but that's a sort of the game, and wide 208 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: receivers you have to game plan against them if they're 209 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: if they're top guys, it's really tough. But but yeah, 210 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 1: I can certainly empathize with with the gms around the 211 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: league today in terms of having to sign these players. 212 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: And now from my standpoint working in the Asian world, 213 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: it's all good. We can get our players such as 214 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: we representative, which has all worked out fine, but it's 215 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: it's difficult. And I can certainly understand the nashing of 216 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: Teeth down in Tennessee as they made him a twenty 217 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: made a j Brown a twenty million plus a year 218 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: offer and he refused it, and then they ultimately end 219 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: up having a radium because they know what they're gonna 220 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: have to pay ultimately to Derrick Henry and these other guys. 221 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: And it's just really tough. But I think it's it 222 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: just sets up a really fascinating situation around the NFL. 223 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: And and I think the next guy that could be 224 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: breaking the bank could be up here where I'm calling 225 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: you from, up in Minneapolis, where Justin Jefferson next year 226 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,839 Speaker 1: could be in the same position as A J. Brown 227 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: was this year. I mean a J. Brown Jeff goes 228 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: from making four million dollars a year less than that 229 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: to twenty five. It's just I just don't know if 230 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: it's sustainable. I mean, are you looking at some of 231 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: these teams in their situations saying we've got an Aaron Rodgers, 232 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: we've got a Patrick Mahomes. No matter who they're throwing too. 233 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: You know, these quarterbacks will they'll get by, they'll make 234 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: guys better, they'll elevate certain guys. Is that the thinking, 235 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: because it's just kind of a shrewd decision in terms 236 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: of letting these wide receivers go tough spot to be in. 237 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: I just don't know how this is sustainable long term. Yeah, 238 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: and again when you talk about well, for example, Tyrick 239 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: Hill goes to Miami where two is the quarterback and 240 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: he's making on that rookie deal still probably four or 241 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: five million dollars, right, and so then they can justify it. 242 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: But but if Tua becomes a star and he elevates 243 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,319 Speaker 1: to that thirty five to forty million dollars year category, 244 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: he's got a ways to go to get there. But 245 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, things definitely do get tight 246 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: cap wise, and then situation where you got to restructure 247 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: contracts and that's a pain down the road and it's tough, 248 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: and even out in Vegas where where DeVante Adams now is, 249 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: but Derek Carrs is making pretty good money already and 250 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:17,839 Speaker 1: they're talking about possibly extending him. It's it's a it's 251 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: a tough it's a slippery slope when you're dealing with 252 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: a salary camp and dealing with these star players and 253 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: trying to make it all fit together and you create 254 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: that team atmosphere and all everything that goes on there. 255 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's a huge, huge challenge, no doubt. And 256 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: teams have to hope that the salary camp keeps growing, 257 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: which it certainly took a nice increase this year from 258 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: from the pandemic pandemic year Who're going to win down 259 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: and so it's up this year significantly, And I think 260 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: their hope is with the new TV contracts coming in 261 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: revenue from new stadiums, that the capital continue to rise. 262 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: But there's no doubt it. It's a huge challenge. Now, 263 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: one of the things you touched on, I think it's 264 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: going to bring up the importance of that fifth year 265 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: for a rook quarterback. You talk about the amount of 266 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: money that receivers are making, and you know, the whole 267 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: key is you win a Super Bowl into that rookie deal. 268 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: This year, the NFL kind of stayed away from rookies. 269 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: We saw one quarterback taken in the first round and 270 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: then not another one until later and typically when the 271 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: NFL does that, they're typically right. Why do you think 272 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: the media was so off compared to where front offices 273 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: viewed quarterbacks in this draft? Yeah, I just think it 274 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: was not as strong a quarterback class and things running cycles. 275 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: And next year it looks like it's a much stronger 276 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: quarterback class and probably have three or four in the 277 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: top ten again next year. And so that's just the 278 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: way it rolls. But this year it was a little 279 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: bit unpredictable, and everybody thought Malik Willis would be going 280 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: lay first round and won't behold he ends up in 281 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: Tennessee in the third round, and he could be a 282 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: great pick because we know historically there have been other 283 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: quarterbacks such as Russell Wilson, such as Joe Montana who 284 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: were third round picks. Hey Tom Brady in the sixth round, 285 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: Drew Brees in the second round, So you just don't 286 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: know how it's going to turn out with some of 287 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: these other quarterbacks that were taken down the road. But 288 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: I did think it was surprising that only one went 289 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: in the first round, just because of the importance of 290 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: the quarterback position and the fact that especially with all 291 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: these teams with multiple first round picks this year, which 292 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: which was really fascinating to me. I've never seen a 293 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: year with eight teams with multiple first round picks and 294 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: conversely eight teams without a first round pick, And so 295 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: it's just it's kind of a crazy situation going on draftwise, 296 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: how teams are valuing picks and looking at the rams, 297 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: and that they treat it away all their number one 298 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: for the next several years, and they still win a 299 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: Super Bowl with veteran guys like Nancy Stafford and Jalen Ramsey, 300 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: and so it's just kind of a crazy league and 301 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: things running cycles. And I'm sure that we'll revert back 302 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: next year and the quarterbacks will be way up on 303 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: the chart again, just as they were back in the 304 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 1: day when when the Colts took Andrew Lush in the 305 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: first round. First overall, now I want to take you 306 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: back to when you were sitting in those chairs, and 307 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: like I said that, you know, the quarterback lass was 308 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: down this year, but as you look into the future, 309 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: it looks like it's definitely going to be a little 310 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: more promising next Does that play into it when you're 311 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: sitting there and you're like, well, we could take a 312 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: guy here where he's unproven, but if we look forward 313 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: to next year, there's that chance. Or do you kind 314 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 1: of focus in on what is here and now and 315 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: not really look too far into the future. I think 316 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 1: it depends on the team and if you're if you're 317 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: a playoff team already, even though you know you got 318 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: to win every year, but maybe the desperation isn't there 319 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: a team such as Jacksonville or Detroit, Houston some of 320 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,959 Speaker 1: those teams that were picking early this year and figured 321 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: that they had to get good players, but yet looking 322 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: ahead and thinking quarterback wise, and obviously the Jags don't 323 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 1: need a quarterback, but Detroit does, and Houston we'll see 324 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 1: on Davis Mills. But I think that it's it's interesting 325 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: and I think that some of these teams that trade 326 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: trade into into next year's draft, for example, are definitely 327 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: looking at the quarterback class and trying to get up 328 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: there next year get extra picks. And you've got teams 329 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: such as Philadelphia that have had multiple picks for several years, 330 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: and I think they do again next year. And so 331 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: if Jalen Hurst doesn't pan out this year with a 332 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: J Brown and with the other talent that he's got 333 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 1: in there, then perhaps next year it's going to be 334 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 1: a situation where where a team like the Eagles is 335 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: going to jump on one of those quarterbacks early. And 336 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 1: it's that's what makes the draft such an interesting event 337 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: every year, and so we'll just see how it all 338 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: plays out. Jeff, who else had a great draft around 339 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: the NFL? Which drafts impressed you from this past weekend? 340 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: I thought that the Ravens did some really good things 341 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,239 Speaker 1: and getting to getting the center and Kyle Hamilton an 342 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: excellent safety um the Ohiowa center. I thought that the 343 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: Jets and the Giants with their drafts, and of course, 344 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 1: when you when you've got what three first round picks, 345 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 1: it is hard to go wrong. But but I really 346 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 1: liked the Jets picks of uh that they were able 347 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: to do a soft gardener Garrett Wilson, one of the 348 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: better receivers, one of the top corners, and then you 349 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: get Jermaine Johnson later in that first round. I thought 350 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: that was excellent. Detroit was another team I thought that 351 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 1: did very well to get Hutchinson and and then make 352 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: the trade up with the Vikings, and and and pick 353 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 1: up pick up a receiver that they like, and and 354 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: so it's it's I think, from from the standpoint of 355 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,360 Speaker 1: what happened in this draft, there's, uh, there's some some 356 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: really good stuff that happened, not necessarily all the teams, 357 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 1: but a lot of the teams. And as I said, 358 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: the Giants too, I thought their two first round picks 359 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: get Evan Neal, one of the top offensive lineman, and 360 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: get Thibodeaux, who we'll see about his personality, how it 361 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: translates and and all that, but he certainly got edge 362 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: rushier great ability. So lots of teams did really well, 363 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: and I think without having a first round pick, I 364 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: salute the Colts for their draft. Yeah, but as we said, 365 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: we really won't know for a couple of years how 366 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: it all plays out. And that's that's the beauty of 367 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,360 Speaker 1: the draft too, that all of a sudden you get 368 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: some of these players down the line who become great 369 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 1: players such as that the Seattle drafts back in the 370 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,120 Speaker 1: years when they were building that championship team, who knew 371 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: Richard Sherman and Tam Chancellor. There were fifth round picks 372 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: and Bobby Wagner second round pick, Russell Wilson a third 373 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 1: round pick, and they become the backbone of a championship teams. 374 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: So you just really don't know. Well, final thing for me, Jeff, 375 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: when you look at this Colts draft and they definitely 376 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 1: went high on offense early on with Alec Pierce Angelanie Woods. 377 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: What's a realistic expectation for those two guys as a rookie. 378 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: You know, when you, let's say you were in that 379 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: draft chair and you select these guys, when you're looking 380 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 1: at expectations, what would you kind of peg them at 381 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: as a rookie? I would pegle Pierce is a guy 382 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: that could well start this year, and I would expect 383 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: him to start with his ability and just be a 384 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 1: great compliment to Michael Pittman for Matt Ryan, I think 385 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: Johnny Woods is more of a developmental guy, and yeah, 386 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: he can get on the field and do some special 387 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: things with his size and speed. But mo Ali Cox 388 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 1: is still the main guy at tight end, and Ryman's 389 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: another guy. We'll see how fast they try to move 390 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: him along, and he could be a starter in his 391 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: first year. We'll see. I think he's probably going to 392 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: back up early on. We know how depending on how 393 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,479 Speaker 1: rookies come along, how quickly they get coached up. And 394 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: I think that's one of the advantages to the off 395 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 1: season program now with OTAs and mini camps and all that, 396 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: that you can develop these players and when they come 397 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: to training camp, they should know the system or be 398 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: relatively well versed in it so they can develop quicker. 399 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean my expectation is especially for Piercing, 400 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: he's a playmaker in year one, would not so much 401 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: year one in Rome and perhaps you're one. And so 402 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 1: I think that they're going to do well with those guys. 403 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: And then, as we said, there really other interesting times. 404 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: It cost the starting job at safety, and I think 405 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: Curtis Brooks could be an impact player very early on 406 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: with his ability. So I think it's an exciting time 407 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, and I think that the Colts have an 408 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: opportunity to make a really good run at Titans in 409 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: the ac South. Hey, Jeff final one. Now that the 410 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: draft is over, what's as a former GM, what's on 411 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: your radar now we've had undrafted free agent signed. Where's 412 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 1: your attention between now and training camp in terms of 413 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: roster building as a general manager? Yeah, I think you're 414 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: kind of looking for that almost the third tier free agency, 415 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 1: even though most teams are close to the ninety player limit. 416 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 1: But maybe there's a couple of guys that you may 417 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: have said, well, let's see how things go in the draft. 418 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 1: It might be a t Y Hilton, for example, that 419 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: you would say, Okay, we'll bring you back at a 420 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 1: reduced salary, figuring your role maybe lesson to louve that 421 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 1: with Prousier, but still have a spot. And other players 422 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: like that around the league. Some of the free agents 423 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: that did not get signed early on that we're waiting 424 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: for opportunities and teams said, hey, let's see how we 425 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,479 Speaker 1: sit after the draft. So there's still going to be 426 00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: some free agent signings as rosters are filled out, and 427 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: and and there's still some pretty top players out there 428 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: in the market too that teams are going to look 429 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: at and consider burning in. It's just it gets tougher 430 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: as time goes on. Just because the salary cap shrinks 431 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: for teams and the roster ability, but there will still 432 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: be a lot of signings coming as we go through 433 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: through May and approach training camp and even even on 434 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 1: through training camp as players get hurt and so forth. 435 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 1: So it's still the roster building is still a main focus. 436 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: And yet now you're really excited to go out and 437 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: watch the rookies perform in Man in the rookie Mini 438 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 1: Camp and then on into OTAs and see how how 439 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 1: they fit with the veterans. And so there's a lot 440 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: to do. And then finally you get to end of 441 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: June and catch your breath a little bit before traded camp. Yeah, 442 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: get that little bit of sliver of time between you know, 443 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: the end of mini camp and training camp to kind 444 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: of reset and then get ready for the grind. That's 445 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: Jeff Diamond, former GM in the NFL with the Minnesota 446 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,360 Speaker 1: Vikings and the Tennessee Titans. Jeff, always appreciate the time 447 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 1: and the insight you know your stuff, man, We appreciate 448 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: your recap in the draft with us every year. Thanks 449 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,439 Speaker 1: so much again, and hey, enjoy some time off for 450 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,439 Speaker 1: you and hopefully spring comes sooner than later. Up there, 451 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: in Minnesota, you can get out and get on the 452 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 1: lake and enjoy some R and R. My friend, Hey, 453 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: thanks man. I appreciate it and all the best for 454 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 1: you guys and look forward to talking to you soon