1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's just keep a real straight shot with no Jason. 2 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a little bit rougher. I'm here for it. 3 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: Those who really believe in the American process, all of 4 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: us straight Shot No Chaser. What's your Girl? Tesla Figua 5 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: on the Black Effect podcasting that word that work? What's 6 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: happening everybody? This is Tesla and Figure Oh your girl, 7 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: the host of straight Shot No Chaser. I am bringing 8 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: back one of the realists in the game. I don't 9 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,959 Speaker 1: care if you compare her to a conservative, Republican, a Democrat, 10 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: a liberal, libertarian, a progressive. I don't know. We got 11 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: so many different titles in the game, but she is 12 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: the one and the only. Sunny Johnson, the host of 13 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: the series x M Patriot. You can catch that on 14 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: one on your Serious x in Radio Sonny's Corner and 15 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: she's always went by. Did she say that? The so 16 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: that did? She saved that podcast? And yes, friends, she 17 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 1: did say that. Welcome Sis, thank you fiving me back, 18 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 1: boss lady. How you doing doing well? As you always 19 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: call me boss lady. But just for the listeners knowing 20 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: I'm not no bossing nobody. She liked to call me that. 21 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: I guess because I'll be bossing in these streets, but 22 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to be no leader. Now days, 23 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 1: leaders gotta they got a loud on their shoulders, Sonny. 24 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: And that's why I wanted to bring you back number one. 25 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 1: Shout out to you again and thank you for coming 26 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: back a second time. You came on. Um. When I 27 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: first rolled out my podcast, you were one of the 28 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 1: first people I wanted to interview. Your show did really 29 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: really well, I mean really well. People wanted to hear 30 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: what you had to say. A lot of folks that 31 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: do not lean on the right side understood your position. 32 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: They respected you. They understand why voices like yours are 33 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: not elevated in the conservative space because you are a threat. 34 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: So since then, it's been a year. I guess. We 35 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: had you on in October November of last year, so 36 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: it's been a year, and I wanted to bring you 37 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: back to give an update, not an update to you 38 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: and I because you and I met. I want to 39 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: say it was over a decade ago now, Sonny on 40 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: Facebook and we have talked about the same thing over 41 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: and over and over and over about how black voters 42 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: are not appreciated, how black voters. I've always and what 43 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,839 Speaker 1: I've loved about our relationship is we've always talked about 44 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: it from our camp. You know, I didn't. I don't 45 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: try to get in and tell what conservatives you guys 46 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 1: need to do this, and you guys can do that 47 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: because I don't work in that space. And a lot 48 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: of people don't understand that about me, because they say, 49 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: we why don't you tell the Republicans what you do? 50 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: Whyn't you tell the Democrat? Well, I can only speak 51 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,959 Speaker 1: of my camp, you know, where the races that I've 52 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: worked on, what I have seen for myself. It's certainly 53 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: not because I'm rocking with the Republican Party. But I 54 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: don't know much, and unlike most people on social media, 55 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 1: I don't like to make ship up as I go. 56 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: I only speak about how I have seen Democrat, good 57 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: black Democrat candidates not be supported on the local level, 58 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: not get the resources that they need, and basically to 59 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 1: be shifted on by on the federal side, which hurts 60 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: them in local elections. So here we are. This will 61 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: air a couple of weeks from the day that we're 62 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: recording this, but I do want people to know that 63 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: this is election day November two. I'm saying that because 64 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: I want this time stamp. I want this conversation time 65 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: stamp um so they can know what we're saying the 66 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: day of election, before the numbers come in. That is 67 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 1: really critical to our conversation. And from the left side 68 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: of things, you know, I've been talking about the mistreatment 69 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: of black people, treating us like a mistress, leaving us 70 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: in the wet spot, treating us like the girlfriend. And 71 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: now people are starting to see what I was talking about. 72 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: When I initially started talking about it in two thousand 73 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: and eight, two thousand, nine, thousand ten, two thousand ten, 74 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: when I became independent, people couldn't really hear me sunny 75 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: because they were so infatuated with the presidency, the romanticizing 76 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: of the Barack Obama a president ency, and everything that 77 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: I said they looked at as a slight to him. 78 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: Fast forward everything that I said, which I said then 79 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: when Trump was in office, they looked at as a well, 80 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: you must be helping Trump. So now that both of 81 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: those things are out of the way and it's Joe Biden, 82 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: I am starting to see on my end an awakening 83 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: of what many of us have been talking about. So 84 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: I want to shut up and let you the guests, 85 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: kind of give us a picture on what you have 86 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: been talking about on the Republican side or on the 87 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: conservative side. And do you see any change within the 88 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: last year. We know that there's motivation from the Trumpers 89 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: at least, and I'm sure there's motivation from non Trumpers 90 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: as well. There always is for the party that's that, 91 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: you know loss, But I want you to give us 92 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: a snapshot of what has changed, if any, within the 93 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: last year. You did a tweet the other day, and 94 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to share what you 95 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 1: meant about that, but you said, and I'm paraphrasing, for 96 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: those of you who are just pretending like you don't 97 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: see what's going on. You basically you were saying, you 98 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: see what's going on. I know what's going on. Y'all 99 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: just pretending you can only you know, ignore it for 100 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 1: so long. And so I'm paraphrasing, you can only pretendpa 101 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 1: so long. Yeah, yeah, you can only pretend for so long. 102 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: And I think that that's what a lot of the 103 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: Republican pundits are going to realize. Like five years ago, 104 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: they could have they could have get away with some 105 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: of the ship that they were doing. Like if because 106 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: we're specifically U tie stamp this, I can say this 107 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: that this was today one of the Republican representatives down 108 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 1: in Arizona wished good luck to the Virginia voters to 109 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: make generally proud. You know what I'm saying, Like, it 110 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: is amazing to understand that they don't learn ship, They 111 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: don't understand anything. They don't take the time to use 112 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: critical thinking skills to put themselves in a better position. 113 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: And it is one of my things about this whole 114 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: idea of white supremacy, like there's nothing superior about these people. 115 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: They don't think superior, they don't plan superior, they're not 116 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: tactically superior. These people aren't even organized. So the best 117 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 1: thing where where you say like there's energy, the energy 118 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: is like in a fucking slogan, Let's go Brandon, that's 119 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: the slogan. Asked me, have they activated? Asked me, have 120 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 1: they created a pack like alc created her pack and 121 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: is now getting people elected into office. Asked me, are 122 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: they doing anything remotely symbolizing that they have learned that 123 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: they have to do something different, and they haven't learned 124 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: a damn thing. They're going right back to symbolism. They're 125 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: going right back to being reactionary and just waiting for 126 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: Democrats to do something and then having some them to 127 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: say about that, instead of being forward thinking and putting 128 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: together a plan and actually knowing how they plan on operating. 129 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: So the only thing that I would say that's in 130 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: any different is now there's a bunch of us uppity 131 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: ones at the bottom. Because it was really cool and 132 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: easy for them to kind of ignore and push me 133 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: off when it was just me. But now that I 134 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: have this whole little uppity group of black conservatives that 135 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: are with me, that are all starting their own platforms, 136 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: that are all developing their own message um, that have 137 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: all decided they're gonna be uppity. They're not gonna play along, 138 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: they're not gonna fit in those stereotypes. They're gonna say 139 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: what the hell they want to say, when they want 140 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: to say how they want to say it. And I'm 141 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: just grateful that I played a part and getting those 142 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: voices out and and into the ether, into the conversation. 143 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: But that's the only thing that I have seen actually change. 144 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: So where I would say, like five years ago, I 145 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: was lonely as hell, now at least have people around 146 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: that understand the work, understand the mission, understand what we're 147 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: trying to do, and are not easily swayed by the 148 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: Republican and conservative acceptance that is very empty and hollow. 149 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: And like you said, Leaves does nothing. Believe them in 150 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: a wet spot when it's over with. So if you 151 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: look at a lot of the black faces that were 152 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: so popular on the trunk, what the hell are they now? Yeah, 153 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: exactly nowhere because they won't doing ship, they won't produce 154 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 1: a ship, they won't effective in anyway, and now they're 155 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: pushed to the side in a history Why they get 156 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: ready to bring in some new black faces that they 157 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: think are gonna be the new prototype. So my mission 158 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: is to destroy that prototype. And let's talk about that, 159 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: because you talked about it, and then we're gonna go 160 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: back and unpack how everything that you said is how 161 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: I feel on the Democrats side, only while actually I'm 162 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: not a Democratic. Want to make sure they're sure if 163 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 1: I'm clear independent, but I lean Leaft obviously. But everything 164 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: that you said about we say that you guys are organized. 165 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: We say that you do have the best messaging because 166 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: at least you're your slogans work. Our slogans are trash. 167 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: We say that there there is strategy, and they do plan. 168 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: So we're gonna unpack that in a moment. This is 169 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: why I love having you on because even when I 170 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: travel to different cities, people say, oh, well, you know, 171 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: it's just like that here in Newark, we're different, or 172 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: it's just like that here in Oklahoma City, or no, 173 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: you gotta see it's different. We're like this and Tulsa, Oklahoma. 174 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: And I tell everybody we get their home. A lot 175 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 1: of these cities have the same issues. We're just not 176 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: communicating those issues and seeing how No, there's always that 177 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: elder in every city that knows everything. There's that young 178 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: person in every city that's trying to take over. There's 179 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: that fight of ego pride, there's that this group doesn't 180 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,959 Speaker 1: like that group, and people trying to bring each other down. 181 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: There's a lot of similarities and they repeat themselves over 182 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 1: and over in the space of organizing. And what you 183 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: just said is the same that we have on the 184 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: black liberal side. But before I go to that, explain 185 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: the prototype, because you broke that down in the first episode, 186 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: and for those who didn't catch it, the first time, 187 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: go back and listen to it before the sake of 188 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: this conversation, explain what is the black conservative prototype that 189 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: that we see that's out there that you're trying to 190 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: destroy it. It is the the passive black person that 191 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: likes to deny that they're black. Black can't be in 192 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,359 Speaker 1: their conversation. And that's of course they're talking something derogatory 193 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: when it when it comes to black people like black 194 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: own black crime, or or black fatherless homes or you 195 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. When it's something derogatory, they have 196 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 1: no problems and speaking about race. But when you want 197 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: to speak about black empowerment, black ownership, entrepreneurship, black equity, 198 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: anytime you want to speak on anything positive having to 199 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: do with the black community, then you have these black 200 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: faces that come out and say, I'm not black, I'm American, 201 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: or um, I think that this is my funny, this 202 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: is the this is the thing that I learned. I 203 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: guess that I would add that is new. This idea 204 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: that they think, because we don't run from our blackness, 205 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: that we are somehow oppressed, you know, kinda in the 206 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: aspect of what some others may say. And they talk 207 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: to me like that, and I've come to realize that 208 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: they are not ready two accept blacks that walk in 209 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: their superiority, ones that are not afraid to talk about 210 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: the history, to talk about the culture, to talk about 211 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: the community, to talk about theirselves, their families, their marriages. Like, 212 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: they are not ready to realize that black people are 213 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: not the stereotype that they have in their head. So 214 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 1: to me, that whole prototype of Okay, you gotta marry 215 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: a white spouse, you have to live in a white area, 216 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: you have to attend all of the white conferences, and 217 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: like be an example of the only black face that 218 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: is showing up, like that prototype that they consistently go to. 219 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: And you know that it's a prototype because it never lasts. 220 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: It only last one elections, like and then they have 221 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: to throw all of those away to bring in new, 222 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: fresh versions of the prototype. So that's how you know 223 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: it is fake. It is fraudulent, and it is built 224 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 1: on nothing. It stands for nothing, It has principle and nothing, 225 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: It conserves nothing, and it is ineffective as hell. So 226 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: that's what they want. They want an ineffective, effectless, powerless 227 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 1: focus lists set a black people that they can just 228 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,719 Speaker 1: use from election to election to say, hey, look, we 229 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 1: got black people here and that is the prototype that 230 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: needs to be destroyed. So somebody would say to that, 231 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,559 Speaker 1: well they do that. I'm I'm giving you the talking 232 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: points of playing devil's advocate because you know, I don't 233 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: say the Democratic Party has any love for us as well. 234 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: I'm with the Malcolm makes for them all, but I'm 235 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: gonna play devil's advocate of what someone would say to that, Okay, Sunny, well, 236 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: that's because they don't respect black people. That's because they're racist. 237 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 1: That's because they don't um they don't want black people 238 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: to be involved. So if they don't want black people 239 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: to be involved there, the question would be to you, 240 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 1: why are you still a part of this party? Because 241 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: it's not their principles. They don't own them, they don't 242 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: have power or control over them. And for another part, 243 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: they're abusing them and using them all, so they're not 244 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: even they're not even star wars or protecting what they're 245 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: trying to keep me from. And on top of that, 246 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: my dedication to conservatism doesn't have a fucking thing to 247 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: do with white people. My entire historical context of why 248 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: I am a conservative can be put into the faces 249 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: of Frederick Douglas, the faces of the Book of See Washington, 250 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: the faces of Carter Woodson, the faces of Malcolm X. 251 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: So I can tell my entire conservative story without a 252 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: white person mentioned in it. But just because they act 253 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: the way that they act, or behave the way that 254 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: they behave, what do you expect me to do? Run 255 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: from them? Am I supposed to be the coward? Am 256 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: either one that's supposed to back away and just give 257 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: up what I believe in because it was some white 258 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: person has to say no? So I would much rather 259 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: go into their face, go into their space, go into 260 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: their bubbles, go into their comfort zones, and pop every 261 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: single one of them consistently. So if you want you 262 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: don't want me here, I'm here. You want me to 263 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: shut up, I'm gonna be louder. You don't want to 264 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: hear what I gotta say, Fine, I'm coming after your kids. 265 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: So it doesn't matter what you want. I am not 266 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: some oppressed black person that that needs you to operate 267 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: in a space. I am an uppity black woman that 268 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: has focused and knows what I want. And if you 269 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: get in my way, I don't care what color you are. 270 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: I'm coming straight through you. So that's my response to that. 271 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: I am not a coward. I'm not gonna run from 272 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: a space because someone um gives me ship face or 273 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: thinks that they can utter a few words out of 274 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: their mouth that are gonna discourage me from being the 275 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: who who the hell I am. It doesn't work that way. 276 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: So if you think that's what you're running into, if 277 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: you think that that's what I am, then I feel 278 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: sorry for you when we actually meet on the battlefield 279 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: of ideas, because just like I'm not running from them, 280 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna run from anyone that questions why I 281 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: stand on conservatism. Tintoes down heard that that is the 282 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: host the Did she say that? Podcast? I felt like 283 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: this sounded like a whole little intro. I needed to say, 284 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: that's the whole did you say that? Podcast? This is 285 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: what I love. I did alive with Killer MIKEAE and 286 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: we were talking about his mission to plot, playing, strategized, organized, mobilized, 287 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: and one of the things we always talk about on 288 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: a consistent basis, not just on the live that we did, 289 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: was everybody has a role, and there there is a 290 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: role inside the party, there's a role outside the party, 291 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: and if I choose to be outside both parties, it 292 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: doesn't make me weak. It doesn't mean that I'm running 293 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: from something. It doesn't mean because you know and she's 294 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: weak about me. It doesn't mean that I'm not willing to, 295 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: like you said so eloquently, meet on the battlefield ideas. 296 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: I just think that's the space that we need to 297 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: be in. But I love how you're in the conservative space. 298 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: I love how people like uh Anina Turner is in 299 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: the Democrats space, challenging Democrats. She always asked herself, what 300 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: is wrong with me? I'm still over here not And 301 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: she said one of the things that she always says 302 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: is I wouldn't give them the satisfaction of leaving the party. 303 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: So hey, I wouldn't get in a satisfaction to take 304 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 1: it my boot off. They right, they want, but put 305 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: you in a position where you run. I will be 306 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: damned if they make me. Absolutely and I see that 307 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: role for you. But when it comes to me and 308 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: those who want to be independent and not associated with 309 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: a party, it certainly doesn't mean that I'm running. It 310 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: is that I understand and that we understand the very 311 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 1: small group of us that are blind pushers in our 312 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: own way, that there has to be voices in all areas. 313 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And my area is fuck 314 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: both of y'all. You know what I'm saying, Like, that's 315 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: my area because when we're having conversation, I like to 316 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: be able to have a conversation with Sonny and have 317 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: a conversation with somebody on the far left and have 318 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: a conversation with a moderate and they not easily try 319 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: to put me into a well you're a conservative or 320 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: well you're a Democrat, because when I'm able to push 321 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: back and say no, I'm not either one. I'm telling 322 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 1: you that you both trashed that you don't respect us 323 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: as a on the conservative side, because I talked to 324 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: Sunny Johnson, you don't respect us on the liberal side. 325 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: Because I've worked on these campaigns, it allows me conversations 326 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 1: in certain spaces. Um That made that maybe people will 327 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: receive me on a different level. So I think when 328 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 1: it comes to voices, uh, I love the fact that 329 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: we recognize as full grown women that there is space 330 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: for all of us and all of these spaces. And 331 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: I'm mainly talking about when I say us, I'm talking 332 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,239 Speaker 1: about the ones with voices, the ones with microphones. Who 333 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 1: are you know, uh, sending messages? You know, I'm not 334 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 1: talking about just and again no disrespect to you know, 335 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 1: average voters, but I'm talking about people like us, talking heads. 336 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: Like you said, you felt very lonely, and I felt 337 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: very lonely being independent. I remember after doing commentary for 338 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: years on Fox, they would always try to and they 339 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 1: asked me, you know, would you like to be a 340 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: contributor as a Democrat? It was only a Democrat available. 341 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to do that. I don't. 342 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: I don't care what the do, what the bag is, 343 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 1: what the opportunity is. I do not want to be 344 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: here every day, day in and day out, defending all 345 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 1: things Democrats. I just won't do it. Now. Should somebody 346 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: do it? Absolutely, But that's not for me. So I 347 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 1: felt lonely for a long time of you know, where 348 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: are the independent? Who are people? And you know, we 349 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: got our friend who's a libertarian, uh, Lawrence Jones, And 350 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: he classifies himself as a libertarian. And I'm not questioning 351 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 1: if he is. But I know, because of being on Fox, 352 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: they see anybody on Fox, you know, leaning even for 353 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: your libertarian, They see you leanymore right. But I love 354 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,120 Speaker 1: my space sunny because I really do like to say 355 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 1: fucking both. I enjoy it. It makes me feel good, 356 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: it makes my soulier good. And during I do I do, 357 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: I do a balant. I do a balance of fucking 358 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: both as well. Like I'm not a Republican, I identify 359 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: as a conservative. It is a difference specifically because I 360 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:08,360 Speaker 1: want people to know what conservatism means um not not 361 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 1: how they bastardize it, but what it actually stands for. 362 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: And that's why instead of just saying independent of both 363 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: political parties, I stick with conservative as the title. It's 364 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: basically because I want to introduce the principles in a way, 365 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: in a way that I define them and not one 366 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: that has been put out by the definition of others. 367 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: But that leaves me a lot of space to say 368 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 1: fun both politicals. I don't want bats. I don't I 369 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: don't want balance. I want to say fucking both all 370 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: the time. I want to say both all the time. 371 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: I want to say both in the morning and the afternoon. 372 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,199 Speaker 1: And my I don't want no balance, but I do 373 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 1: say that I have concerned But you know that I'm 374 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: saying I have conservative values. And I have liberal values 375 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: because you're absolutely This comes down to political education, people 376 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: understanding the difference between values and a political party. There 377 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 1: is a difference, a huge difference. I was raised and 378 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 1: most black people, especially in the Midwestern and the South, 379 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,640 Speaker 1: or if they have any Southern roots, which all black 380 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,679 Speaker 1: people do in one way or the other, have some 381 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: type of southern roots. You were raised with some concerned 382 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 1: at least one conservative value. You had to because your 383 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: mother's mother came out of the depression. And a conservative 384 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: value is literally conservating. We conserve the orange juice. We conserved, uh, 385 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 1: the jar bottles, the jars of jelly became cups. And 386 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: you know, in my grandmother's household, we raised our own food. Uh, 387 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: my grandmother farmed. We had a farm. They raised it, 388 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: they killed it, they cooked it. They believe both of 389 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: my grandparents were self employed. The other side of my grandparents, 390 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: the other side is so interested in my grand Both 391 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: of my grandparents name or Thomas. Both our grandfather's name 392 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: were Thomas. Both our grandmother's name were Joyce. On my 393 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: parento and my maternal side, my grandmother Joyce and Thomas Taylor. 394 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: Where we're too self employed? Eight people my grandmother owned 395 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: a beauty supply, I mean a beauty a beauty salone. 396 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 1: She that helped her get out of an abusive marriage 397 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: and she ended up Marying. The only grandfather ever known. 398 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: My grandfather who she married, Thomas Taylor, owned a mechanic shop, 399 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 1: his own shop that's still stays today. Rest in peace. 400 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: Both he has passed away, but his shop is still there. 401 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: My other grandparents, Grandma Joyce Figaro, enjoyed in Thomas Figaro. 402 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 1: Thomas figure Ro was Vietnam and Korea vet. He retired 403 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: in the Air Force. He worked at the post office. 404 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: Mother grandfather worked in the was in the army as well. 405 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: But my grandfather Figaro retired in the Air Force and 406 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: then he went to a government job, you know, at 407 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 1: the post office. Even after he retired, he still went back. 408 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 1: My grandmother, Joyce Taylor, I mean Joyce Figaro, was not 409 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: an entrepreneur, but she drove a school bus. She worked 410 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: in the school system. She drove a school bus, and 411 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 1: she was a lunch lady. She was a lunch cafeteria lady. 412 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: So both of them two totally different ideologies. And my 413 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 1: grandmother Taylor was the I'm Jesus cousin never heard of 414 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: say a cuss word. We went to church seven days, 415 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: and I mean literally sunny I'm talking you know how 416 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: it is like we went Wednesday, Uh I bribe, will study, 417 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 1: Thursday cry with her. So Sunday, Saturday youth services, and 418 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: Sunday it was prayer before we left. We held hands. 419 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: We prayed every Sunday. Then it was Sunday school, regular church, 420 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: beat and beat, three o'clock service as somebody else's church, 421 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 1: and then six o'clock the night. Grandma Figaro, totally opposite Catholic, 422 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: cuss your ass out. This is where I get obviously, 423 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: I get my energy from Louisiana. So they have a Creole, 424 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: a lot of the Italian and the Native American and 425 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: all of those different cultures that's in the Crea. In 426 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: the Creole culture, you know, totally opposite. We want to 427 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 1: go on to church. They went to Mass, but it 428 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: wasn't a seven day, four or five day a week 429 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 1: church type of thing. And so it's the balance of 430 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: both those were And then my cousins was in the streets. 431 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: They weren't in the streets. They was pushing its sellen dope. 432 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: So and I got cousins on my mama's side, that 433 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,479 Speaker 1: we're doing dope. You know that was a result of 434 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: I really got to write a book as I think 435 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: about my life. But both of those balances, Sonny, is 436 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: why I can say that I have some conservative values 437 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: and also some liberal values. And I think values are important. 438 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: I think that education is important. Um, But when it 439 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: comes to political parties, I really do kind of like 440 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 1: to say, fucking vote. You have told us that not 441 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: much has changed, that they don't respect what it is 442 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: that you're still trying to do. And why is that, Sonny? 443 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: Is it because they fear that once black people awaken 444 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: themselves to this space that they could possibly own and occupy. 445 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: Is that the fear or are they just playing dumb 446 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 1: and not taking an opportunity where they could snatch up 447 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: some of these black voters who are totally disgruntled with 448 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party. They are indoctrinated and don't want to 449 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 1: admit it. So if you look at like the current 450 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 1: ky uh, the current argument uh surrounding critical race theory, 451 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: and you think about what critical race theory actually is. 452 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: You know, the study of systems of government and the 453 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: racism from those systems, and you listen to what they're 454 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: actually talking about, and you know that they're not talking 455 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 1: about critical race theory. They're talking about being forced to 456 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: recognize black history, and that is because of how bad 457 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: they have been indoctrinated. So they don't want to admit 458 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: that it's happened to them. They very much believe that 459 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 1: us as black people have been indoctrinated into you know whatever, 460 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 1: but they don't want to be that they have. So 461 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: when you actually start going in and being like, well, 462 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: why are but when and you know, they'll be like, 463 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: why are black communities this way? And then you start 464 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 1: actually telling them, then they're like, well, I never knew 465 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 1: that happened. Of course you didn't because you don't know 466 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 1: ship about what you are talking and your pundits made 467 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,719 Speaker 1: it that way. You've had an entire generation of Republican 468 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 1: and conservatory conservative punditry class that has made it their 469 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 1: mission to whitewash everything. The people under them don't know 470 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: that it's being whitewashed. They're thinking that they're being given 471 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 1: accurate information from these pundits that they trust, and these 472 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: pundits that they trust are presenting themselves like there are 473 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: some kind of experts on on the subject, especially when 474 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: it comes to like black America and what our quote 475 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: unquote flaws are. They are not experts. They don't know 476 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 1: what the hell they're talking about. In in in order to 477 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: hide that fact, they whitewash and try to push a 478 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: color Bryant, color blind conversation to the people that are 479 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: following them. This allows them to not have to talk 480 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: about racism at all. They don't have to address it. 481 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,959 Speaker 1: It becomes an issue that they can um very very 482 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 1: easily sweep to the side. But as they start to 483 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: see or realize the abuses of government and those abuses 484 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: are now focused on them. Now all of a sudden, 485 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: they're like, wait a minute, um, um, the police shouldn't 486 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: be doing X, Y and Z. What the hell do 487 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,919 Speaker 1: you mean? Like, did you not hear like millions of 488 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: people launching throughout the streets telling you that police should 489 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: not be doing that. But you said that that that 490 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: that it didn't happen, that it was imaginary, that they 491 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: made it up. But now when you think that it's 492 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: happening to you all of a sudden, it is a 493 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: sign that America is on its way down and decline. 494 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,719 Speaker 1: It wasn't on its way down and decline. When it 495 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: was doing it to us, when it was black bodies 496 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: on the street, that was perfectly okay. But now that 497 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: you think that you're the target, now it must be 498 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: addressed and must be stopped. And this is what I 499 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 1: have tried to tell Republicans and conservatives and tell you 500 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: acknowledge what you let happen. And you could say, well, 501 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: I didn't vote for her, I didn't pass it, or 502 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: I didn't believe in it. I don't care about that. 503 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: You said silently and let it happen. You said nothing 504 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: to stop it. You waged no campaign to conserve what 505 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: we say are our basic tenants and that which was 506 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: which was ode in the Bill of Rights. You didn't 507 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: protect that, you didn't defend that. So and tell you 508 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: can recognize that you failed as a as a population, 509 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: as we the people. You let government abuses continue to 510 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: go on without saying anything because they did not affect you. 511 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: Now that they're affecting you, you want us to rally 512 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: behind you. Hell, no, acknowledge this entire time what we 513 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: have been trying to tell you. Acknowledge the abuses of 514 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: this government aren't our people this entire fucking time. And 515 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: if you can't acknowledge that, don't run to me and 516 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: ask me to defend you. Know, I'm gonna wait for 517 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: the revolution to come get your ass because if if 518 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: you cannot protect it for all, I am damn sure 519 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna stand on the front lines protecting anything 520 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: for you. So that's what they need to understand now. 521 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: And and when when I tell you, when I go 522 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: back to that thing about supremacy, and they are not 523 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: supreme in any way, I promise you they they don't 524 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 1: understand how local government works. They've into the federalized utopia 525 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: that somehow, if you get Trump into place, everything is 526 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: gonna be solved. Like they are as warped and danced 527 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: as they think that we are. But they don't want 528 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: to admit it. And that's what I do. I basically 529 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: throw it in their face every single way that I 530 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: possibly can to let them understand, your hypocrisy is what's 531 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: killing his country, Your apathy is killing is what's killing 532 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: this country. Your silence is what is killing this country. 533 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: And until you remove those things and realize that race 534 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: is not a conversation to run from, but one to 535 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: run towards to solve, then nothing is gonna change, and 536 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: you're gonna continue to get this vitriol in our country 537 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: where the people that are complaining about the abuses against 538 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: their rights are going to get louder and louder and 539 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: louder and louder, and Ship is going to continue the 540 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: bird because they're plan anymore. And I don't blame them. 541 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: So either you find a way to get to bridge 542 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: the gap and get to those people and actually started conversation, 543 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: or we're inevidently going to see the outcome going a 544 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: completely different way for this country. And the choices now, 545 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: the choices now, do you think they want it all? 546 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: And they're like, no, we don't we this, we're doing 547 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: this about design, We don't want to do that. We 548 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: like it. Well, I talked to the people, the people 549 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: on the ground. I don't really um try to get 550 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: into I've been in the upper echelon circles and I 551 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: can tell you the people in the upper echelon circles 552 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: they're happy with low black voter turn out. They're not 553 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: gonna try to go out of their way to get 554 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: the black vote. They would prefer the black vote to 555 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: just sit down and they not have to spend any 556 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: money on it, you know what I saying. And those 557 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,120 Speaker 1: are the people that are at the top, and I 558 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: will never lie to protect them. I can tell you 559 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: a million and one stories about how fucked up their 560 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: philosophy is when it comes to things like black outreach. 561 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: But I talked to the people on the ground, the grassrooms, 562 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: the average people. They want this solved because they are 563 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: losing their kids. They are losing their kids. They're like, 564 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: I've never taught my kids to be racist. I've never 565 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: taught my kid. I've talked them to be color blind, this, that, 566 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: and that, and I'm looking at them like, and now 567 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: your kid goes to a multicultural school trying to pretend 568 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: he's color blind, right, Like you you screwed your kid 569 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: because your kid is not going in like, oh, let 570 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: me learn your culture, let me gain from you, let 571 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: me teach you mine. That's like, that's not how your 572 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,959 Speaker 1: kid is going in. Your kid is going in. You 573 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: have no culture, you have no history, you have know 574 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: anything other than what I was taught in my household 575 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: because I'm color black. And You're wondering why your kids 576 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: are getting screwed up. And then your kids and their 577 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 1: kids are like, I just want to love my friends. 578 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: My friends are black and they're Hispanic, and you know 579 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, They're Muslim, they're gay, they're all of this. 580 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: I just want to love my friends. Whatever fight you 581 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: got going on, whatever bag that you've got going on, 582 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: whatever backstory y'all got going, I don't want to be 583 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: a part of that. So they are losing their kids 584 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: because they're not even preparing their kids. And yeah, and 585 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 1: that's what's frightening for them. It's so interesting you said that, 586 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 1: because when I said that this week, I don't know 587 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: if I said it on BNC. I did say it 588 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: on BNC. I said that what what is scaring them 589 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: the most is because they're losing their children because our 590 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 1: children are not having the conversations that we're having. My 591 00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:00,080 Speaker 1: daughter's fourteen and the school that she was in and 592 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: Latin Middle School, very diverse school. It was almost eight 593 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:11,359 Speaker 1: percent Asian American UH school and Pacific Islanders. And they 594 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: really don't when we say color blind and don't look 595 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: at color and all at her age, they really they 596 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: really see, they understand color. They have the conversations they 597 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 1: talk about racism. I subbed in the classroom so I 598 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: hear them having the conversations much better than adults. But 599 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 1: they really I just wanted, like you said, they just 600 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: want to love their friends. When I was fourteen years old, 601 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,439 Speaker 1: you know, I was in the hip hop so I 602 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: was loving all the stuff I shouldn't be, like n 603 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: w A or Little Kim or you know, any of 604 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: any of those artists that I shouldn't have been listening to. 605 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,320 Speaker 1: My daughter's favorite band is BTS and I tell people, 606 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: I tell people BTS an't like, oh, you don't know 607 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: what I say. Yes, they're one of the most popular, 608 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: the most popular boy band in the world. It's an 609 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,760 Speaker 1: It's an Asian band, are group and pop. I'm taking 610 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,319 Speaker 1: her to l A to see this concert and their 611 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 1: kids from everywhere and they, you know, have taken hip 612 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 1: hop to a whole another level. I am a hip 613 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,800 Speaker 1: hop head. My daughter's favorite group is Panic at the disco. 614 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: It's like, I have no I have no clue who 615 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:25,279 Speaker 1: that is you because I'm like, what in the world, Like, 616 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,439 Speaker 1: how did this happen? How did how did me being 617 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,720 Speaker 1: a hip hop they? How did I? How did I born? 618 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:35,799 Speaker 1: How did I raise? Whose favorite band is? But yeah, 619 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: they have they have a freedom that we did not have, 620 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: and they are taking full advantage of it. They're not 621 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: limiting themselves to what we classify as our definitions. They're like, no, 622 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: I want like my daughter's favorite culture is Japanese culture. 623 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: So like they want to branch out, they want to learn, 624 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: they want to know, they want to grow, they want 625 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,959 Speaker 1: to accept, and us as parents should be doing our 626 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: best to help them with that, not trying to reduce 627 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:20,240 Speaker 1: them to um to our petty baggage or our petty 628 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: conversations are our petty politics. We should be letting our 629 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 1: children figure out how they are going to run this 630 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 1: country when it is their turn. And if the way 631 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 1: that they want to run this country when it is 632 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 1: their turn is to love and to accept and to 633 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:45,839 Speaker 1: grow together, not under a guise of diversity, but under 634 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 1: a guise of loving the people that they love. If 635 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,359 Speaker 1: that's what they want to do, that it would be 636 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 1: it is our detrimental neglect not to give them that. 637 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,840 Speaker 1: And if we can't give them that, starting with faith, 638 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 1: basic conversations in our own house about issues we know 639 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: that they are gonna face when they go out into 640 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 1: the world, then we are failing them. And we can't 641 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,759 Speaker 1: blame the school systems for that. We can't blame the 642 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,319 Speaker 1: government for that, the political parties for that, anybody else 643 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 1: for that. And that's what I'm trying to get white 644 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 1: Conservatives and Republicans to understand. You're gonna lose to us. 645 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 1: They love us more than they love the bullshit you're 646 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:31,799 Speaker 1: teaching them, so understand you are going to lose to us. 647 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: So your best bet is to figure out a way 648 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 1: to learn and to grow and to mature with your kids, 649 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 1: not to not to abandon your adultness and turn it 650 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: over to them. Don't do that, That's not what I'm saying. 651 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 1: But learn a way to grow with them. Absolutely. And 652 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,759 Speaker 1: also for clarification for those are listening, because I don't 653 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 1: want to make sure you're clear. We're clear. Although my 654 00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:00,160 Speaker 1: daughters friends and it literally looks like United Nations. UM. 655 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,359 Speaker 1: When I looked at her birthday party was her UM. 656 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,840 Speaker 1: She has her best friend is Brazilian, she has a 657 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:14,319 Speaker 1: Asian friend, White, Black, and Indian American. Literally like that's 658 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,839 Speaker 1: what her friend group looks like. But at the same time, 659 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 1: as a black parent, as a black woman, UM, I 660 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: make sure that Jada understands that our role is different, 661 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 1: that there are different challenges that there are, you know, 662 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: not to make her any different than them, but there's 663 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 1: certain things she has to know, just simple things, you know, 664 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 1: like the privilege of I'll just use this as an 665 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,880 Speaker 1: example where their parents may say, oh, you know, just 666 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 1: go outside and you know whatever. You know, have more 667 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 1: freedom and you know, growing up, we would say, well, 668 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 1: you know, that's white pols. They let white white kids 669 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: get to do that. Instead of me telling her that, 670 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,239 Speaker 1: like I was told, you know, you your mom ain't 671 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 1: no white mama. You can't just do whatever you want 672 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 1: to do, I explained to her because I have an 673 00:38:55,680 --> 00:39:00,120 Speaker 1: understanding the reasoning behind the things that I say. So 674 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 1: for example, her one of her friends has more autonomy 675 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,799 Speaker 1: than we do because there they grew up with the 676 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 1: privilege of that nothing will happen where I grew up 677 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: very different and so not trying to give her that trauma, 678 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,720 Speaker 1: but I make sure Jada understands. Listen, if something happens 679 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 1: to you, they don't come look for black girls the 680 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,279 Speaker 1: way that they look for white girls. You have to 681 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 1: understand that the way they move and how their parents 682 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,400 Speaker 1: may they may view the world, it is very different 683 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,879 Speaker 1: than our reality. So it's okay. For you to have 684 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 1: other friends, but understand that this world is not your 685 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,800 Speaker 1: friend group. And so I think if you can be responsible, 686 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 1: you know enough to do that and to have the 687 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 1: maturity and not make her feel bad for having. For 688 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 1: everybody don't want to be fight the power, you know, 689 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 1: that's what that's what they call and fight the power, 690 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,880 Speaker 1: you know, power to the people. Everybody don't want to 691 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,480 Speaker 1: be Fred Hamptons. So she has her own personality, but 692 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,960 Speaker 1: I also sunny try to make sure that she understands 693 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,399 Speaker 1: there's differences, because there is a difference where Molly can 694 00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 1: just kind of go not to say that, you know, 695 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 1: they would look for her her as well, but we 696 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,919 Speaker 1: know for damn sure they don't look for black little girls. 697 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,400 Speaker 1: So I have to give her that game so that 698 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 1: she's informed. My daughter finds her difference in her hair. Okay, So, um, 699 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,759 Speaker 1: I started getting perms when I was like seven years old, 700 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I've kind of been 701 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 1: that way my entire life. I don't even know what 702 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,799 Speaker 1: my natural hair looks like. I will very soon, but um, 703 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 1: I don't even know what my natural hair looks like. Um, 704 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 1: my daughter has never had chemicals in her hair. Ever, 705 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,960 Speaker 1: so this year's this year, she came to me and 706 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:38,359 Speaker 1: she's like, I want to dye my hairpinink. And I'm like, 707 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,879 Speaker 1: you want to do what? And she's like, I want 708 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,920 Speaker 1: to dye my hair, my entire head bright freaking pink. 709 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:49,279 Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, you know, you know, and she's like, 710 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,000 Speaker 1: this is what I want to do. And so I 711 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:53,879 Speaker 1: went and I got her hair dyed pink for her. 712 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 1: Um she's a great kid, you know. Um all A's 713 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,959 Speaker 1: in school. She never gives me any problem. Like, she's 714 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,359 Speaker 1: a great kid. If if the if the most She's 715 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 1: gonna give me his pink hair, then I'm gonna take it. Um. 716 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,839 Speaker 1: Her her her edges, her roots started to grow back out, 717 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,120 Speaker 1: and you started to see her brown and her roots again. 718 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 1: And she tells me, she's like, Mom, you think I'm 719 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,360 Speaker 1: like running from being black? And uh, it's a conversation 720 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 1: that we have all the time. She's like, my roots 721 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,759 Speaker 1: are always gonna come in like this. You know, they're 722 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,879 Speaker 1: always gonna be nappy, they're always gonna be kinky, they're 723 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,680 Speaker 1: always gonna be coyly, and they're always gonna be dark 724 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 1: brown when they come in. Don't worry I'm not gonna 725 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:43,359 Speaker 1: forget who I am and like, yeah, when you can 726 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,560 Speaker 1: do that for your child, like, yes, you can love 727 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,240 Speaker 1: Japanese culture. Yes, you can love Panic at the disco. 728 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:54,719 Speaker 1: You can do you can have a eclectic group of friends. 729 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,120 Speaker 1: But you understand your roots are always gonna come out 730 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:02,480 Speaker 1: that dark brown and you know that and you understand 731 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,960 Speaker 1: what that means. Like I was like, Okay, I feel 732 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:14,000 Speaker 1: safe with you understanding your position. Yea, our daughters will 733 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:18,319 Speaker 1: always be very well clear about where they stayed as 734 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 1: as mother's. Before we get out of here, I know 735 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,279 Speaker 1: we only have a few minutes left. Are you still 736 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,600 Speaker 1: in the Virginia area? Okay? Tell us about Virginia. This 737 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,200 Speaker 1: is time stamps on election day, all of the conversations 738 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,359 Speaker 1: saying the Democrats are gonna get their ass whoop. Historically, 739 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,360 Speaker 1: Virginia has always went in the opposite direction of whoever 740 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 1: was in power. However, uh, when Terry, what do? I 741 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,400 Speaker 1: can never pronounce the plans this last name for me 742 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:58,160 Speaker 1: mc luck, m mccauliffe, mccaulliffe, mccaulliffe. When he was in office, 743 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,480 Speaker 1: when he was elected in two thousand four two, that 744 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 1: was the first time that it did swing towards the 745 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,040 Speaker 1: administration and power. Will he be able to do it 746 00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:10,080 Speaker 1: again tonight? And if not? Why what do you see 747 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,200 Speaker 1: on the ground. I know what I see from the 748 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,160 Speaker 1: Democrat Party standpoint and voters, you know, giving people the 749 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 1: finger and not being motivated because people are just over it. 750 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 1: But what do you see on the ground locally in 751 00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:26,080 Speaker 1: your community? So everywhere I live in northern Virginia and 752 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,319 Speaker 1: you're you're not, you don't see a lot of You're 753 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,880 Speaker 1: not supposed to see a lot of Republican signage. Uh, 754 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:38,399 Speaker 1: there's a lot of Republican signage. A lot. I heard 755 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,200 Speaker 1: that they were talking about that the other day, that 756 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,919 Speaker 1: there was that that was a lot. It's way more 757 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:47,320 Speaker 1: than I have ever seen the entire time that I 758 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 1: have been living in UM in Virginia. Let me not 759 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,160 Speaker 1: make a prediction and let me say this instead. When 760 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,360 Speaker 1: I first got into politics in two thousand and eight, 761 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:03,400 Speaker 1: Virginia had a Republican governor UM in office, Bob McDonald. 762 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,040 Speaker 1: One of the first things he did when he got 763 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:12,800 Speaker 1: into office was he declared it Confederate History Month, and me, 764 00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:17,160 Speaker 1: being new to politics at the time, I was like, 765 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,279 Speaker 1: I'm confused that I'm really, really confused by this, Um, 766 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,960 Speaker 1: aren't you were Republican And he was like yes, And 767 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,600 Speaker 1: I was like, um, then why are you declaring like 768 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:30,120 Speaker 1: Democrat history month, Like I don't understand what you're doing here. 769 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,759 Speaker 1: And I never got an answer to that question. And 770 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:40,239 Speaker 1: I have asked every politician in Virginia that question for 771 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,279 Speaker 1: the last twelve years now, you know what I'm saying. 772 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,520 Speaker 1: Every single white GOP candidate that I have come across 773 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,480 Speaker 1: in the state, I have asked them that same question 774 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,040 Speaker 1: and have yet to get an answer from any of them, 775 00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,400 Speaker 1: including Glenn Juncan so H, and I did get a 776 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,680 Speaker 1: chance opportunity to interview him. So what I'll say it 777 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:09,120 Speaker 1: to this is, it doesn't matter what who gets in 778 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:14,520 Speaker 1: as far as black people are concerned our issues, the 779 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,280 Speaker 1: things that we need addressed in the state of Virginia, 780 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:23,000 Speaker 1: specifically the Richmond area and Newport News area, they are 781 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:27,160 Speaker 1: going to continue to get pushed aside until we have 782 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,200 Speaker 1: competing voices in these areas. GEO, the Virginia g OP 783 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,680 Speaker 1: is a ship show. It is not serious as a 784 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,440 Speaker 1: political party, and it does very little to help the 785 00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:42,320 Speaker 1: Republican Party apparatus itself, let alone anything having to do 786 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:48,160 Speaker 1: with Black Americans. So in our state, if they if 787 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,279 Speaker 1: we do not decide that we need to, you know, 788 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,480 Speaker 1: like follow killing Mike's example and plot and strategize and 789 00:45:55,680 --> 00:46:00,839 Speaker 1: realize exactly what outcome we want. It's not gonna matter 790 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,759 Speaker 1: who becomes governor, it's not gonna matter who's going to 791 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,200 Speaker 1: become president. We are going to continue to be fectless 792 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,400 Speaker 1: and runnerless and unable to change the direction we are 793 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,279 Speaker 1: currently heading in and with the rich history that we 794 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:17,120 Speaker 1: have in this state, especially in the city of Richmond 795 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,960 Speaker 1: itself that was once a black wall Street, that is 796 00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:25,520 Speaker 1: unacceptable to me. So while we have to understand the 797 00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,279 Speaker 1: place of politics, we also have to understand that there 798 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,279 Speaker 1: is a place for activation, and we all need to 799 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,839 Speaker 1: be making sure that we have activated in some way 800 00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:40,960 Speaker 1: to bring empowerment, equity, ownership, and entrepreneurship to our community. 801 00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,920 Speaker 1: The more we contribute and pour into those four pots, 802 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,600 Speaker 1: the more we're gonna be able to make the political 803 00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,040 Speaker 1: change that we deem necessary. And I'm not talking about 804 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,080 Speaker 1: a political party. I'm not talking about Democrat or Republican. 805 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,080 Speaker 1: I am talking about us fundamentally changing what we see 806 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,800 Speaker 1: in these dilapidated, destroyed communities and instead of going the 807 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,960 Speaker 1: pathway for gentrification, actually having a way where we can 808 00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,359 Speaker 1: move our people into ownership. That has to be our plan, 809 00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,400 Speaker 1: that has to be our our our agenda, and we 810 00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,319 Speaker 1: have to realize, like you said, it's gonna be fun 811 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:18,359 Speaker 1: both politics, both political parties, until we can pour enough 812 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,680 Speaker 1: into those four buckets to make it so they cannot 813 00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,600 Speaker 1: ignore us anymore. Absolutely, well, you just gave I don't 814 00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,400 Speaker 1: even have to repeat, mind, because you just gave the 815 00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,879 Speaker 1: summary for what is exactly happening on the left, Which 816 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,960 Speaker 1: is why I love having your own Sunday because it 817 00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,200 Speaker 1: shows that there are some commonalities. You know, I use 818 00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,480 Speaker 1: the analogy earlier, have you know people to say it's 819 00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,400 Speaker 1: different here, and it's different here, and there are differences, 820 00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,120 Speaker 1: you know, there's different culture, there's different regions that do 821 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,279 Speaker 1: things differently. You have different leadership in different areas. But 822 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,400 Speaker 1: for the most part, people want to see black people win. 823 00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,359 Speaker 1: If you are in black people, you are really black 824 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,040 Speaker 1: for real and in politics for real. And if you 825 00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,839 Speaker 1: are in if you are black and in politics for real, 826 00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,360 Speaker 1: you want to see us win. And that should be 827 00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,280 Speaker 1: able to have the maturity to put the party party 828 00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:03,040 Speaker 1: politics and really at least be able to have a conversation. 829 00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,400 Speaker 1: I always feel good to know that you're on that 830 00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:09,400 Speaker 1: side pushing the line. You give me the same respect, 831 00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,799 Speaker 1: always bumping me up. You do such a wonderful job 832 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,439 Speaker 1: of that. One of the things we talked about last 833 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,160 Speaker 1: night was ego. Was that a lot of times folks 834 00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,960 Speaker 1: don't allow their egos, you know, they keep the egos 835 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,040 Speaker 1: in the way and don't know how to uplift other people. 836 00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,520 Speaker 1: It's not that I'm trying to get more shine than 837 00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:27,800 Speaker 1: you or you're trying to get more shine than than me. 838 00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,400 Speaker 1: We're just tired of being lonely, you know, and not 839 00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:34,800 Speaker 1: happen enough people. We want allies, we want accomplices, we 840 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:39,480 Speaker 1: want soldiers, you know, I always say on this show. Yeah, 841 00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:44,120 Speaker 1: so we yeah, just allies, and not just that, but real, 842 00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,200 Speaker 1: real soldiers that are willing to get their hands dirty. 843 00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,279 Speaker 1: So you gotta feel good knowing that, by nothing else, 844 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,799 Speaker 1: by default, you're gonna get something dumb for black people. 845 00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,520 Speaker 1: You're gonna push it. I'm gonna be pushing over here, 846 00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:55,640 Speaker 1: and at the end of the day, it benefits us all. 847 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,360 Speaker 1: So thank you so much again, Sonny. I think you 848 00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,320 Speaker 1: are one of those conversations that we need to have 849 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,520 Speaker 1: come back, you know, every whether it's every quarter, twice 850 00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:05,719 Speaker 1: a year, whatever, you know, just to really give us 851 00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:09,000 Speaker 1: an update because I have yet to have to meet 852 00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:14,120 Speaker 1: a conservative at least and and my you know, my 853 00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:19,120 Speaker 1: circle that has been so consistent, consistent about your message, 854 00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,720 Speaker 1: consistent about what you believe in, consistent about your values, 855 00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,480 Speaker 1: and you have a way of getting people to hear 856 00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,120 Speaker 1: things that they otherwise would not have. When we did 857 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,359 Speaker 1: the show last time, Marcy was like, Wow, I've really 858 00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,319 Speaker 1: learned a lot. And initially if you were just say 859 00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,799 Speaker 1: I'm bringing on a conservative, because they do they only 860 00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:41,320 Speaker 1: see the prototype, and so you are the example of conversations, 861 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,520 Speaker 1: uh that need to be had, and they know it 862 00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,319 Speaker 1: and intentionally try not to raise her voice the same 863 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,359 Speaker 1: way they do with with me. You know, I don't 864 00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,200 Speaker 1: want to minimize my opportunity at our Heart or Black 865 00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,640 Speaker 1: Black News Channel at all, but Black News Channel literally 866 00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,520 Speaker 1: had to be created, Uh, the black effect had to 867 00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,400 Speaker 1: be created because for the last ten years there was 868 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,239 Speaker 1: no home. I had no home for my boys at all. 869 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,320 Speaker 1: So I just want to thank you Sunny again for 870 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,719 Speaker 1: coming by ses. I look forward to talking to you again. 871 00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:12,360 Speaker 1: We're gonna see what these Virginia election results come in. 872 00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:16,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put my prediction. My prediction is whether it's 873 00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,719 Speaker 1: winning or losing tonight. You better stop playing with black 874 00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,040 Speaker 1: people that's on the left, the right, in the middle. 875 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,880 Speaker 1: Stop playing black people because we ain't playing with you. 876 00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,680 Speaker 1: So thank you so much for joining us. And where 877 00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:28,880 Speaker 1: can they find you? Before we get out of the 878 00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,239 Speaker 1: sunny Where can they find you on your Twitter? Yeah? 879 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,600 Speaker 1: My favorite, uh social is the Twitter. You can find 880 00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,200 Speaker 1: me ask Sunday Johnson, asked O and I E and 881 00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:42,280 Speaker 1: every single Saturday on Serious x M one for Sunday's 882 00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,120 Speaker 1: corner Fire Conversations. We gotta get you back on the 883 00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,880 Speaker 1: show task. Yeah, of course I've gotta come over and 884 00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:54,000 Speaker 1: spread some liberal love conservative viewers. But though thank you 885 00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,160 Speaker 1: so much, Sunny as always always coming through whenever, as 886 00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,040 Speaker 1: you are such a gym and people don't know how 887 00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,000 Speaker 1: many people you pushed my haim the scenes. I always 888 00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,320 Speaker 1: want to give you this credit, Flowers in public. We 889 00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:04,880 Speaker 1: do a lot behind the scenes. But one of the 890 00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,960 Speaker 1: first opportunities that I've had to have my voice written 891 00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:12,080 Speaker 1: in national print was you quoting me when you were 892 00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,080 Speaker 1: writing a piece a long time ago, ten years ago 893 00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,719 Speaker 1: with bright Barden. Whether people like Brightboard or not, I'm 894 00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,040 Speaker 1: sure they. I'm sure they don't, especially with Steve Bannon, 895 00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:24,760 Speaker 1: But that's not the point. The point is you refer 896 00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,080 Speaker 1: to my voice in that space and that's powerful. And 897 00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,520 Speaker 1: I tell liberals and democrats if you don't like it, 898 00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,640 Speaker 1: when are you gonna refer to me? Oh? I'm sorry 899 00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,920 Speaker 1: you gonna do? So? Shut up? So thank you so much, Sonny, 900 00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,160 Speaker 1: y'all not taking it better to have a boss lady 901 00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:44,359 Speaker 1: on y'all side. Y'all gotter wake up and realize y'all 902 00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,440 Speaker 1: got a gym and y'all y'all need to be treating 903 00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,799 Speaker 1: or right. So I appreciate you so much, shast thanks 904 00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,759 Speaker 1: for having me. I appreciate you too, honey. Thank you 905 00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,160 Speaker 1: so much. All right, everybody, thank you for listening that 906 00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,440 Speaker 1: with straight Shot Don't Chase until next time piece. If 907 00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,880 Speaker 1: you like what you heard on Straight Shot No Chaser, 908 00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,520 Speaker 1: please subscribe and drop a five star review and tell 909 00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,840 Speaker 1: a friend. 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