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Speaker 1: Welcome to Playmakers. I'm Jally Ellwood and joining me today

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Speaker 1: is Solidad O'Brien. She is an award winning journalist, author, philanthropist.

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Speaker 1: She's had a long career in this industry, and with

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Speaker 1: all the craziness that has transpired in twenty twenty and

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Speaker 1: with the year coming to an end, she's a great

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Speaker 1: person to sort of help wrap it up and also

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Speaker 1: talk about her career. Solidad, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: coming on. I'm so ready for twenty twenty to end

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Speaker 1: that I am a good person to wrap it up

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Speaker 1: because I'm like, yeah, we're done. I'm ready to move on.

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Speaker 1: I know it's not quite twenty twenty one yet, but

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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm out, I'm moving on. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think we all are, and I'm gonna start here. Because

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Speaker 1: you work on HBO's Real Sports with Brian Gumble. I

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Speaker 1: love that show. We'll get into that a little in

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Speaker 1: a little bit. But you guys had a wrap up

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Speaker 1: show a week ago and it was such a perfect

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Speaker 1: sort of summation of everything that's happened in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think it's funny you should say that,

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Speaker 1: because I thought that show was exactly a reflection as

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Speaker 1: sports is right, Sports is a reflection of popular culture

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Speaker 1: and of what's happening in the country and in the world.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't sort of live in its own little silo,

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Speaker 1: and occasionally we dip in to see what's beitting over there.

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Speaker 1: And so it's no surprise of course that what we

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Speaker 1: see and experience on the streets and what's happening in

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Speaker 1: cities and states in terms of coming COVID nineteen, et etcetera,

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Speaker 1: all that plays out within how sports is thinking about it.

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Speaker 1: So that's not a surprise, But yeah, it was. It's

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Speaker 1: always I mean, I always find I love that show.

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Speaker 1: I think it's the best show on television, and I

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Speaker 1: think I always love doing that roundtable. Partly this year,

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Speaker 1: especially because we didn't see anybody, like normally you bump

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Speaker 1: into people on stuff. We haven't seen each other, so

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Speaker 1: it's fun to be able to kind of like sort

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Speaker 1: of catch up. But then also I think it is

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Speaker 1: that we have a chance through the stories we've been doing,

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Speaker 1: but in the macro, like how does it fit into

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Speaker 1: the puzzle that is twenty twenty And so yeah, it was.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you. It's very much a reflection of

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Speaker 1: what's kind of happened in the country, not through the

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Speaker 1: lens of sports in terms of the NFL, and I've

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Speaker 1: had conversations with other women this season about those where

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Speaker 1: she's the expert on him. You're not going to ask

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Speaker 1: me an NFL question. Literally, I'm gonna be like, you

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Speaker 1: should call Andrea because, as you know, right, she and

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Speaker 1: Hannah too, but she really, I mean and on real sports.

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Speaker 1: She's our resident XO. So I will defer to her,

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Speaker 1: But go ahead. I'm happy to take a stab at anything.

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Speaker 1: But you know what I know about the NFL. Yes,

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Speaker 1: ask me about lacrosse or online chess or spelling bees,

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Speaker 1: then I'm oh, well, great, because we have a question

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Speaker 1: on that coming up. But I will say this, Andrew Crapers.

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Speaker 1: For listeners who tuned in, she was on last week.

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Speaker 1: She was phenomenal. We didn't even dive into real sports,

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Speaker 1: which I'm hoping to get her on next year. It

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Speaker 1: was all on Thursday night football and everything. But but

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Speaker 1: I will say this, because you're one of those people, well,

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Speaker 1: if people follow you on Twitter, you're very authentic and cursing.

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Speaker 1: I just want to say, for the record, I tried

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the year literally my children are like,

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Speaker 1: could you please stop? I mean, my mom was a

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Speaker 1: big cursor. I was, I am a big curse, and

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Speaker 1: I'm like I had to stop. So but you mentioned

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Speaker 1: in that first answer you gave just about you know,

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Speaker 1: sports or microcosms of society. And I think one thing

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Speaker 1: that that sort of transpired this year with the conversation

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Speaker 1: about social justice was the NFL might have had what

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Speaker 1: like you see ads on the fight for social justice

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Speaker 1: and all of that. But when it comes to the

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Speaker 1: players in this league, we know what transpired with Colin Kaepernick.

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Speaker 1: Was there is there a benefit though to seeing more

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Speaker 1: guys take a stand in a year like this. You

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Speaker 1: Know what I think has happened is that again, just

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Speaker 1: like in the country, social justice has become an issue

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Speaker 1: he said that the CEO at one point during all

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Speaker 1: this George Floyd kind of aftermath, was asked, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: you think you gotten advantages? And the CEO couldn't really

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Speaker 1: that's now the kind of questions CEOs are being asked.

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Speaker 1: And if you're like a white dude CEO, you probably

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Speaker 1: kind of rethink. He's got two options. He can double

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Speaker 1: new strategy around leadership now involves thinking about race and

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Speaker 1: thinking about access and thinking about opportunity and lack of opportunity,

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Speaker 1: and I think the NFL, like every organization suddenly was

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Speaker 1: like having that same conversation, and every organization and every

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Speaker 1: what does this mean for our state and values? Where

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Speaker 1: do we fit into this? In terms of COVID, We've

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Speaker 1: seen a lot of changes that have had to happen. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: you and I are doing this on Zoom right now.

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Speaker 1: You you talked about doing your show on Zoom or

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Speaker 1: you know, on a virtual platform with everyone, do you

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Speaker 1: with my fifteen year old son shooting it our real

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Speaker 1: sports show, but the show that I do for HERST

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Speaker 1: we produce it with hers. A matter of fact, literally

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Speaker 1: it's really not that glamorous sort of strip it strip

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Speaker 1: we do internships with people who don't live in our city? Like,

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Speaker 1: And that doesn't mean every intern next year will be remote,

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Speaker 1: You know? How how can we meet people? Not every meeting.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot is lost when you're not in person.

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Speaker 1: But I think there's a lot of stuff you can do.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned it, you called it the best Shawn television.

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Speaker 1: be doing. Yeah, it is phenomenal and if you haven't

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Speaker 1: So that's kind of what my focus has been. And

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Speaker 1: I think often with journalists there's this idea that there's

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Speaker 1: Context sometimes is better than just pretending, because it would

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Speaker 1: That's so I've tried to just be myself. Sometimes it works,

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Speaker 1: sometimes it doesn't. But I think when you're fifty four,

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Speaker 1: leeway to kind of pick and choose the projects you

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Speaker 1: So so far it's working out, Okay, it seems to

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Speaker 1: be that way, So thank you so much. I'm so

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Speaker 1: excited for whenever that your favorite real sports story does

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Speaker 1: Twenty twenty one. That's it. That's it. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for coming on. Really appreciate it. It's my pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me