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Speaker 1: This One Bill's Live presented by Calida Health.

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Speaker 2: All Right, people, welcome into a Monday edition of One

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Speaker 2: Bill's Live.

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Speaker 3: Different Vibe here in the building.

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Speaker 2: Today as the boys are back off season conditioning program

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Speaker 2: underway today and just to kind of fill you in

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Speaker 2: on what they can and cannot do at this point

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Speaker 2: in the springtime. This is phase one of the Volitary

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Speaker 2: off season conditioning program, and activities are essentially limited to meetings,

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Speaker 2: you know, classroom meetings, strength and conditioning, and physical rehab.

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Speaker 2: If you got guys coming back on a rehab assignment,

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Speaker 2: so to speak. So that's Phase one, which will take

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Speaker 2: place over the course of the next two weeks. Day

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Speaker 2: one Today, we've got guys throwing medicine balls around, doing gassers.

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Speaker 2: They're going, you don't miss it.

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Speaker 1: Good to sitting now. I don't miss it. I walked.

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Speaker 1: I walked in, stood in the doorway of the big

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Speaker 1: weight room that everybody knows. That's I stood there and

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Speaker 1: just kind of watched, and you know, Dion Dion today,

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Speaker 1: Hey Tad, what's up? You know, waved at me and

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Speaker 1: I was like, I was disgusted.

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Speaker 2: You got chills?

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Speaker 1: I did. I had to. I threw up a little

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Speaker 1: bit in my mouth, but just I remember there.

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Speaker 2: Is a different vibe in the building when the guys.

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Speaker 1: Came, Oh man, let I get it too back in there,

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Speaker 1: and all those sudden like because you haven't seen these

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Speaker 1: dudes for a couple of I mean, you were hurt.

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Speaker 1: We all know what it's like. These guys get close

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Speaker 1: because they they hurt together, they work hard together, they

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Speaker 1: accomplish things together. There's a lot of camaraderie in that,

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Speaker 1: a lot of brotherhood and a lot of family atmosphere there.

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Speaker 1: And then you you know, if seasons over, you go

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Speaker 1: do stuff, You go you know, back home, see your

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Speaker 1: mom and dad, your wife, your kid. You go away,

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Speaker 1: and then when you come back, it's like, hey, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's that it's that kind of refurbished relationship getting back

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Speaker 1: together with the guys. A lot of that going on.

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Speaker 1: But you know, you still got to get in shape

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Speaker 1: and that that is no matter what you read about

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Speaker 1: on the internet, getting in shape ain't easy. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So Phase one will take place over the next two weeks.

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Speaker 2: Then Phase two is the following three weeks. That's when

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Speaker 2: you can start doing on field workouts, individual group drills,

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Speaker 2: drills in plays with offensive players lining across, lining up

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Speaker 2: across from defensive players, conducted at a walk through pace.

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Speaker 2: No live contact yet. In Phase two, then Phase three,

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Speaker 2: the final four weeks of the program, you can get

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Speaker 2: ten days of organized team practice, no live contact, but

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Speaker 2: you can do seven on seven, nine on seven, eleven

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Speaker 2: on eleven stuff. Right, So it's so that's how it progresses.

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Speaker 1: They're almost so limited. Now. This is what they do.

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Speaker 1: Is that all that team building stuff, you know, where

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Speaker 1: they go out and do stuff together and not football

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Speaker 1: stuff but training stuff like yes stuff and yes, you know.

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Speaker 2: And Eric Ciano, the head of strength and conditioning, breaks

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Speaker 2: them off into teams. He creates competitive situations.

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Speaker 1: And good stuff.

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Speaker 2: When you got it, when you got fifty sixty alpha

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Speaker 2: males out there, doesn't take much to turn up the.

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Speaker 1: Competitive That's all you gotta do, is all you gotta

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Speaker 1: do this the most? Whoever does this wins and that's it, man,

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Speaker 2: So that is underway. Kind of cool to see the

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Speaker 2: After a few receivers rolled through on pre draft visits.

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Speaker 2: Last week, the Bills are reportedly hosting UCLA pass rusher

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Speaker 2: laa to Latu on a pre draft visit that according

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Speaker 2: to NFL Networks in rapaport For those who aren't familiar

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Speaker 2: with Latu, he was forced to medically retire from football

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Speaker 2: he was playing at the University of Washington. Eventually went

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Speaker 2: to the same spinal doctor as Peyton Manning and earned

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Speaker 2: medical clearance to resume his football career. He entered the

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Speaker 2: transfer portal, went to UCLA first year back Pack twelve

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Speaker 2: and the thought is with his medical history, some teams

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Speaker 1: That's right, and a lot of players don't like doing it,

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Speaker 1: he binds me a Rousseau or Jalen Phillips in my.

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Speaker 2: Hands more sudden than Rousseau, don't you a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not quite as long as Rousseau, but he's

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Speaker 1: got that same kind of build and I long and lengthy,

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Speaker 1: kind of the guy. He looks like. He's not a

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Speaker 1: These teams take it extremely seriously. The health of them.

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Speaker 1: That's why the combine. That's why the combine exists. We've

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Speaker 1: and he was highly productive when he came back from us.

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Speaker 1: So we'll see what that means to teams, and everybody

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Speaker 2: I mean, teams will not take a medical risk until

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Speaker 2: maybe later in the draft, like do you really want

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Speaker 2: dollar they're talking to that spinal doctor that medically cleared

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Speaker 1: For sure.

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Speaker 2: They're on the phone with that guy.

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Speaker 1: For sure. And you know he's sixty five two sixty

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Speaker 1: mean he comes across to me. He's one of those guys.

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Speaker 1: If you saw him out of context, you could say

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Speaker 1: he's built proportionally, really athletic built. Guy's not heavy, and

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Speaker 2: In other draft news, speaking of pre draft, thirty visits

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Speaker 2: Georgia tight end Brock Bowers being hosted by the Jets

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Speaker 2: for a pre draft visit today that according to NFL

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Speaker 2: Networks Peter Schrager, and Bowers has often been mocked to

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Speaker 2: the Jets with pick ten, and the general consensus there

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Speaker 2: Because even though they traded for a tackle and signed

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Speaker 2: they're thirty three and thirty two, soon to be thirty

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Speaker 2: ambitious at best. So the thought is they might get

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Speaker 2: they have players they've drafted over, Max Mitchell as a

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Speaker 2: they might get a versatile lineman perhaps, or they might

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Speaker 2: get Bowers to help Rogers in what could be as

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Speaker 2: last season as a Jet. To me, Bowers is pretty.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm the Jets I thought they had it

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Speaker 1: to have to protect a forty year old quarterback that,

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Speaker 1: I mean, Rock Bowers is a great player, make no

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Speaker 1: mistake about it, folks that got this. Dude's one of

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Speaker 1: those guys. But the Jets needs scream protecting the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean you can. They foolishly believed that

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Speaker 2: a thirty eight year old Dwayne Brown could play left

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Speaker 2: tackle for them, and they could put Mackay Beckton, who

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Speaker 2: sits on the sidelines for a hangnail, could play right tackle,

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Speaker 2: and neither of them worked out. And then on top

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Speaker 2: has a season ending injury, and you know that, coupled

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they got exposed to the rest of the

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Speaker 1: year too. It wasn't just four plays in either, It was.

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Speaker 1: It was also you know throughout the and every guy

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Speaker 2: I mean, they did draft offensive lineman last year. They

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Speaker 2: drafted the guy that you liked, Joe Tipman, I like,

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Speaker 2: probably their center of the future now. So it's not

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Speaker 2: like they ignored offensive line. They just didn't get it

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Speaker 2: in Bowers because think of it this way, Steve, Joe

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Speaker 2: this year. You either make it or you're unemployed. Like

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Speaker 2: but they gotta get to the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: I know, yes, I agree.

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Speaker 2: Why are they gonna care about some young tackle that

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Speaker 2: may not play rather than get a difference making tight

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Speaker 2: end for Aaron Rodgers, I.

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Speaker 1: You know as well as I do. Why you want it?

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Speaker 1: You gotta protect I know, Aaron Rodgers, that's the way

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Speaker 1: to go. If Joe Douglas did a lot of stuff

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Speaker 1: right in the first couple of years he was he drafted, well,

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Speaker 1: he got the right guys, he got talented guys, he

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Speaker 1: missed on Zach right, so.

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Speaker 2: And Darnald and Sam, although Joe Douglas did not draft

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Speaker 2: Sam Darnold right, make that clear.

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Speaker 1: So they missed on Zach Wilson and but they got

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Speaker 1: everything else right. So then they tried to fix that

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Speaker 1: by going out and getting Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 2: Well, they got beat to an offensive tackle in the

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Speaker 2: draft in round one last year. You remember Broderick Jones.

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Speaker 2: The Steelers nabbed him, right, and so then they but still, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you gotta get guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the crazy thing is they haven't. They won't.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the deal is. They gotta protect

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is going to be forty with a popped achilles.

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Speaker 1: He's coming off of He's not going to be running

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Speaker 1: around back there saving himself. You gotta do it.

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Speaker 2: And Joe Douglas is a former offensive lineman himself. How

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Speaker 1: If they take Brock Bauers, Bill's fans should go, well,

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Speaker 1: there's another team we don't have to worry about because

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Speaker 1: He's out, he's making more Davante Adams.

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Speaker 2: fifth year option this year. Now, this was all spaw

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Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing you're gonna it's gonna be one

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they gotta get sign to him to a new contract.

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Speaker 1: What happens if you if you do it, Dak Prescott

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Speaker 1: But there's no doubt Cincinnati's got other plans for their

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Speaker 1: You don't do anything except protect Joe. If Joe, if

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Speaker 2: So that is around the NFL presented by Kalida Health,

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Speaker 2: topic of discussion for you today obviously concerns the draft

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Speaker 1: When you talk about this stuff, because because a lot

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Speaker 1: strong and fast, and some people just take those physical

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Speaker 1: traits for granted. So whether you take a guy in

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Speaker 1: the sixth round, or you take him in the fourth

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Speaker 1: round or the first round, you figure he's got the

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Speaker 1: athleticism to play. So if you take all that for granted,

436
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Speaker 1: what's important or isn't or you the the Las Vegas Raiders, like, hey,

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Speaker 1: nothing more important than physical traits, like the old school guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you can make the argument that in

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Speaker 2: round one the Bills have gravitated to elite physical traits.

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Speaker 2: The only exception would probably be Ed Oliver in the

441
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Speaker 2: Bean McDermott era. As far as first round draft choices

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Speaker 2: are concerned, I mean, maybe you could argue that Tradevius

443
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Speaker 2: White did not have super elite physical traits. I think

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Speaker 2: he was in the four fours in terms of forty times.

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Speaker 2: You know, he wasn't like a four to three blow

446
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Speaker 2: up the track speed guy like Kyrie elam Is. But

447
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Speaker 2: you run down the list, whether it's Greg Russo, Josh Allen,

448
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Speaker 2: Tremaine Edmunds, Yeah, Tier elam was elite physical traits.

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Speaker 1: I'll say this though, Dalton, it's a long time in

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Speaker 1: the draft before you run out of guys that don't

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Speaker 1: have that. Do have elite physical traits at every position,

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Speaker 1: So you got to get down into the mid second,

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Speaker 1: maybe into the third before you run out of the

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Speaker 1: guys that are actually in the pool that don't have

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Speaker 1: all that physical stuff. That's why they that's why the health,

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Speaker 1: that's why the doctors are so important. They say, well

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Speaker 1: he had you know, in high school, he had a

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Speaker 1: broken leg, or he had his shoulder dislocated when he

459
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Speaker 1: was in middle schooler, with all this stuff that goes

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Speaker 1: into it, that's that's in the mix because when you

461
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Speaker 1: get it takes a long time to get away from

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Speaker 1: anybody who doesn't have those physical traits. In the draft. Now,

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Speaker 1: guys like Rousseau and you go down the list, they

464
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Speaker 1: kind of stand out because you know, Russu is like

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Speaker 1: a six seven dude, right, he stands out at Oliver

466
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Speaker 1: is a two hundred and eighty five pound guy that

467
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Speaker 1: can you know, jump over your head. Those kind of athletes,

468
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Speaker 1: you know, are rare, but it's not that far down

469
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Speaker 1: the list that those guys can do some pretty cool

470
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Speaker 1: stuff too. So I don't know that the Bills have

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Speaker 1: always gravitated and put more weight on physical traits or

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Speaker 1: that they have not, you know, outside of the top

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Speaker 1: first couple of drafts that you don't have that goes.

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Speaker 1: Those guys are prevalent. Everybody's got that. Certainly, there are

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Speaker 1: certain all of a sudden you start to have holes

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Speaker 1: in it, like this guy plays fast, big that that,

477
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Speaker 1: but it's forty times slow. But he's three cone, is it?

478
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Speaker 1: That's what you're looking at. Different little statistical things athletically

479
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Speaker 1: start to drop out or he has a hole in

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Speaker 1: his statistics. So yeah, traits are are are prevalent in

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Speaker 1: the Bill's first round draft picks. But that's that's the

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Speaker 1: kind of guy you get almost all the time.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, then let's let's discuss performance, because body

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Speaker 2: of work production is something that is definitely part of

485
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Speaker 2: the stew and a big part, bigger part for some

486
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Speaker 2: clubs than others. Some teams don't even shy away from

487
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Speaker 2: a player that was a quote unquote one year wonder

488
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Speaker 2: or has one year of production. We'll talk about one

489
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Speaker 2: of those guys a little bit later on in the

490
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Speaker 2: show when we have Dane Brugler from the Athletic whose

491
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Speaker 2: draft guy the Beast is out, and we'll talk to

492
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Speaker 2: him in the second hour of the show about some receivers.

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Speaker 2: But Xavierler gets an example of that one year of production,

494
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Speaker 2: extraordinary production, but one year as a fifth year senior.

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Speaker 2: So some people won't balk at that. They'll say, oh,

496
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Speaker 2: he's just scratching the surface. He's on the ascent now

497
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Speaker 2: now you know it all clicked for him finally and

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Speaker 2: he's ready to roll and we like what.

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Speaker 1: We see him, or maybe decided, hey, mammy, I do

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Speaker 1: have a shot at playing pros. Maybe I should try.

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Speaker 1: You know, you don't kid yourself.

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Speaker 2: That may be it, right, But then there are other

503
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Speaker 2: people that saying, eh, was that just a flash in

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Speaker 2: the pan, Like that guy never can even just have

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Speaker 2: a everything just fall right for him, or what's the

506
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Speaker 2: reason behind that? And that's the investigating that they do

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Speaker 2: to make sure that to verify that year of production

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Speaker 2: in some way shape.

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Speaker 1: We've all. We've talked about it a lot. Certain guys

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Speaker 1: they want to be a pro football player, and once

511
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Speaker 1: they get drafted, sign a deal, start to practice, go

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Speaker 1: through that, they don't have anything they're working for anymore.

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Speaker 1: They they they set their sights too low because now

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Speaker 1: they are a pro football player. But now, what are

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Speaker 1: you going to do? That's that's a problem. And some guys,

516
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Speaker 1: like like I just alluded to said, didn't believe it

517
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Speaker 1: was going to happen for them, and all of a

518
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Speaker 1: sudden they think, yeah, you do have a shot at it,

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Speaker 1: and then they start working. You know, so you really

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Speaker 1: got to have got the fire under there. The fire

521
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Speaker 1: under them is not real. It's temporary. That's why they ask.

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Speaker 1: They find they try to find out how important is

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Speaker 1: football to you? Josh famously said, you know, they said,

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Speaker 1: you know, what's your goal? He goes, I want to

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Speaker 1: be one of the best quarterbacks in the league when

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Speaker 1: I play. I want to be the best there is

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Speaker 1: while I'm playing. That's a good goal because it's never

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Speaker 1: it's never ending. You know, you keep going, you never

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Speaker 1: accomplish it because it's it's ongoing. I want to be legendary.

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Speaker 1: I want to be the best guy at my position

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Speaker 1: to ever play. That's never done. So you never have

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Speaker 1: to worry about that guy running out of stuff to

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Speaker 1: keep him going. Some of these guys go, yeah, i'd

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Speaker 1: like to I like to take care of my mom.

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Speaker 1: You know, well, what are you gonna do? He signs

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Speaker 1: one deal for two million bucks, his mom's taken care of.

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Speaker 1: Now he's thanks. Guys, I'm out. Whether he's out or not,

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Speaker 1: he may be sitting on your bench. So that's a

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Speaker 1: huge factor because, like we say, it's hard to get

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Speaker 1: these guys to lay it on the line when they hurt.

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Speaker 1: When they hurt and they don't want to hurt.

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Speaker 2: But you know, we were talking about a lead physical

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Speaker 2: traits in the first round. But performance. You think about

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Speaker 2: Daldon Kincaid. The guy had like four drops in five years.

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Speaker 2: His catch rate was extraordinarily high. It was the highest

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Speaker 2: in the draft pool, I think, uh, if not at

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Speaker 2: his position, in the entire draft pool in college football.

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Speaker 2: So performance mattered when they traded up and took him

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Speaker 2: off the board. So you tell us what's the most

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Speaker 2: important trait the Bills must look for in a draft prospect?

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Speaker 2: Eighth three five point fifty one eight eight five point

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Speaker 2: fifty two, five fifty. Then I'm going to get on board.

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Speaker 2: If you don't have time to give us a call,

554
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Speaker 2: you can always hit us up on the tweets sheet.

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Speaker 2: At One Bill's Live. We take a break here, but

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Speaker 2: your phone calls. Next on One Bill's Live, presented by

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Speaker 2: Colida Hell, that's Buffalo Bills Radio. All right back here

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Speaker 2: on a Monday, One Bill's Live. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker

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Speaker 2: with you talking draft, of course, with it less than

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Speaker 2: two weeks away. Now, topic of discussion. What's the most

561
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Speaker 2: important trait the Bills must look for in a draft prospect?

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Speaker 2: You let us know at eight h three zero five

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Speaker 2: point fifty one eight eight eight five fifty two five

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Speaker 2: fifty got open lines for you there. Leading us off

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Speaker 2: today is Jason out in Mayville. What's up, Jason?

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Speaker 4: Hey, how's it going good? I think, uh, one trait

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Speaker 4: that you should be looking for is work ethic, you

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Speaker 4: know they should why you want to be the first

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Speaker 4: one in, last one out? You know, a commitment to

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Speaker 4: the team. We don't need any more divas.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't blame you there, and the Bills for

572
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Speaker 2: the most part, have sought that out in players and

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Speaker 2: I mean man, that goes all the way back to

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Speaker 2: you being coached by Marv. He used to say it

575
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Speaker 2: all the time. If I have to motivate my players,

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Speaker 2: I've got the wrong guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I got the wrong players. That's true. That's why

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Speaker 1: they that's why they interviewed these guys and talk to

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Speaker 1: them personally, like face to face, and they ask him

580
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Speaker 1: tough pointed questions about why they do it, where they

581
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Speaker 1: came from, what's important to them aside from football, including football.

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Speaker 1: How important is football? They try, and they go back

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Speaker 1: and they'll talk to their certainly their college head coach,

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Speaker 1: their college position coach, their high school head coach, all

585
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Speaker 1: of that stuff, and if they can, they'll even grill

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Speaker 1: their mom and dad. So they find out everything they

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Speaker 1: can find out about these guys, particularly guys who they're

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Speaker 1: going to pay a first round draft pick to and

589
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Speaker 1: they're gonna be on the hook for twenty five million

590
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Speaker 1: bucks to these guys. They're gonna find out about them.

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Speaker 1: So if there's doubts, they better be small or your

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00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: upside should be astronomical. You got to have some things

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Speaker 1: that sell them on why they should pick you and

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Speaker 1: not somebody else, because nobody and I'm not saying this

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Speaker 1: just to be flippant. Nobody wants to blow twenty five

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Speaker 1: million bucks on a guy who doesn't work hard. If

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Speaker 1: you come in and you turn out to be one

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Speaker 1: of those guys, they're gonna be very unhappy with you,

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Speaker 1: and you're gonna have a hard time enjoying your workplace.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So, and that's think about it.

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Speaker 2: That, unfortunately, is where the Bills a long time ago

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Speaker 2: missed on Mike Williams, who was the fourth pick in

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Speaker 2: the draft, unbelievable talent at offensive tackle, but did not

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Speaker 2: love football enough. I put the time in. He just

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Speaker 2: played football because he was big and strong and was

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Speaker 2: better because of his size and stature in the college ranks.

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Speaker 2: Then he gets to the pros, everybody's good. Oh, I

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Speaker 2: actually got to work at this, and he didn't want

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Speaker 2: to do it. He didn't have the intestiment for a minute.

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Speaker 1: Came back and he said, oh my gosh, this is

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Speaker 1: what the real world's like. But and now he came

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Speaker 1: back and played for Washington for a minute exactly.

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Speaker 2: But to our point, today started the offseason conditioning program

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Speaker 2: here in Buffalo. First round pick Josh Allen here on

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Speaker 2: day one it's voluntary. First round pick at Oliver here

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Speaker 2: on Day one, first round pick kyer elam here on

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Speaker 2: Day one, first round pick Greg Russo here on Day one,

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Speaker 2: all voluntary. Those guys want to be great, which is

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Speaker 2: why they're here. So that that's kind of the thing

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Speaker 2: that you hear the team talk about all the time.

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Speaker 2: Bill's DNA. That's what they want to.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing too, it's not they're gonna be most

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Speaker 1: of these guys they're training anyway. It's kind of who

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Speaker 1: you become if you're like that. I mean I was.

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Speaker 1: I was in this building every day of the off season.

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Speaker 1: I took maybe two weeks off and then maybe we

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Speaker 1: take a trip off and on throughout the off season.

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Speaker 1: But man if I was in town, I was at

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Speaker 1: the stadium working out every every time I was in town,

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Speaker 1: every every week day, I was in town. And so

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Speaker 1: they're gonna do that wherever they're at. But I think

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Speaker 1: it's a nod also to knowing. You know, you want

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Speaker 1: to get back together with these guys, you want to

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Speaker 1: get to know them better, you want to touch base

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Speaker 1: with the coaching staff. The defensive side of the ball

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Speaker 1: in particular, has got a bunch of new dudes over there.

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Speaker 1: They want to get to know. And it's a nod

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Speaker 1: to how much how important being part of of a

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Speaker 1: team is to these guys. This volume, they're going to

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Speaker 1: be training no matter where they are. They're just that's

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Speaker 1: a pro is what That's what a pro does. This

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Speaker 1: voluntary stuff the co it's it comes from the coaching

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Speaker 1: staff and the CBA. They they they want to get

645
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: these guys in start teaching them stuff. Doesn't Hey, we

646
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: want to do some new things this year, come in

647
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: and learn this stuff. So they get a chance to

648
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: have these guys come in, but they can't make them

649
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: do it because of the CBA, And so they want

650
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: to get the right kind of guys who want to

651
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: be in here so they can start learning stuff. And

652
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: so by the time training camp hits, man, they're running,

653
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 1: they're going. So there's a lot in it for every

654
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: entity that's involved, the coaching staff, the players, the training staff,

655
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,919
Speaker 1: you know, the GM. Just right before draft time, they're

656
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: kind of touching basis. Okay, they're reassuring themselves about where

657
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: they're actual where they actually are in their roster. I

658
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: mean there's a I mean, there's a lot going on

659
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: in this, even though it's voluntary, it it's a real

660
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: reset for the entire roster and it begins and weeks

661
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: like this.

662
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 2: What is the most important trait the Bills must look

663
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 2: for in a draft prospect? As you see it, you

664
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Speaker 2: let us know at eighth three oh five fifty one

665
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 2: eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty the number

666
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 2: to join us. Got some open lines for you. But

667
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 2: in the meantime we go to Butch on the east side.

668
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 2: What's up, Butch?

669
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Speaker 5: Thank you so much for taking my call. You know,

670
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 5: I love you, I love WGI, I love them as

671
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 5: you know a lot of fans. But I just wanted

672
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 5: it's a couple of things I want to say, and

673
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 5: I appreciate you taking a call out of respect from you.

674
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 5: Just let me finish please. Number one is as far

675
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 5: as the trait of a player that in this draft

676
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 5: that I want to be part of the organization. And Chris,

677
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 5: I'm gonna use you, Brownie, because like I say, a

678
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 5: lot of people don't will need to go back from

679
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 5: Bills died because you was from the care when we

680
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 5: didn't have a team. The team was team, but it

681
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 5: was you wasn't winning no games. But so you created

682
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 5: the mac team that bring ahead and promote players to

683
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,439
Speaker 5: try to promote the team to the community to bring

684
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 5: it back up, Chris me and I'm sorry Steve on

685
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 5: the other side, he was one of the players who

686
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 5: had resurrected this organization to get it going forward. When

687
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 5: I went to fourth straight, could have went the sixth

688
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 5: straight Super Bowls. But anyway, I want to get back

689
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,720
Speaker 5: to this point. The player that I want the Bills

690
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 5: to look at what any player they pick out number one,

691
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 5: I want the quality to be a hungry player that

692
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 5: want a yellow jacket. Their goal is I want a

693
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 5: yellow jacket when I finished two, I want to stay

694
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 5: with this one organization in this fan base to build three.

695
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 5: I want to go in the community and make a

696
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 5: difference to help other people more more less fortune than

697
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 5: I am. That's one. Now I'm gonna put that on

698
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 5: the side. The reason why I brought that up too,

699
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 5: And I'm gonna speak about an individual who's one of

700
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 5: the first superstars in the history of the Buffalo Bills

701
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 5: to get what a lot of players happen to have

702
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 5: problems outside after they retire. Just say, Steve, Steve, I'm

703
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 5: not picking I'm not putting you in the same position.

704
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 5: I'm gonna use you. For example, Steve is retired now

705
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 5: we are in No ste should be in the Hall

706
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 5: of Fame. He should have a yellow jacket. They jerked

707
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 5: them around. He should have been a yellow jacket right now,

708
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 5: but he put it is working between the lines to

709
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 5: deserve that. Now, whatever happened to Steve now outside of

710
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 5: this position, don't judge Steve because he got a traffic

711
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 5: violation and judge his career. So I want to speak

712
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 5: about this guy, Naqo Jason lettinghim wreste. I want everybody,

713
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 5: because the young people out there have a bad perspective.

714
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 5: Who wants to understand I agree with him, but I

715
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 5: want them to understand. He was one of the first

716
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 5: superstars ever on the history of this football team. This

717
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 5: man played football, he did well, He represented the community.

718
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 5: He did everything he's supposed to do. Then whatever happened

719
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 5: when he retired, that's another story. I just want the

720
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 5: buffle Bill's organization right now. I'm acting, please, I'm begging

721
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 5: the number thirty two. Leave it up with leave it

722
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 5: where it is. Just like you do, Jim Kelly, like

723
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 5: you do, like you do. Steve tasker just like you do. Derman,

724
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 5: Thomas and Bousheump lead that number up. Understand, don't give

725
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 5: it to nobody else, that's all. But anyway, I want

726
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 5: a player. Back to this point of my conversation is

727
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 5: I want a player with the character reference like Steve

728
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 5: and know's cruel all of those old guys she used

729
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 5: to come to the community, hang out in the community,

730
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 5: do for the community, represent the community, love the community,

731
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 5: and move forward. I don't want nobody to come here

732
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 5: to use us to get a bag, get the money,

733
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 5: and build their name up and then leave us and

734
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 5: they move on to the next generational Brandon Bean front

735
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 5: office organization, do me a favor when you select it.

736
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 5: Whenever you select, when you build a back, look at

737
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 5: the character of a person. How are they gonna affect

738
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 5: the community? Not only are organizations, how are they gonna

739
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 5: represence in organize? And I love you guys, thank you

740
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,919
Speaker 5: so much, Thank you so much for taking my call.

741
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 5: And I appreciate you know my brother's for life and

742
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 5: your mother mother, thank.

743
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: You, thanks thanks. But yeah, I'm with you on the

744
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: on the character thing and the way they did. But

745
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: I'll say this about staying in one town for the

746
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 1: entirety of your career. Some guys do it, but it's

747
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 1: rare because the game is different now.

748
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: It's a little unreal.

749
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 1: But you're like me, we're we're old and we remember

750
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: what it was like when you had a guy and

751
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 1: he had a great career and he played for your

752
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: town for a day gaide plus and you saw him

753
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 1: every year, you saw him in the off season, you

754
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: got to know him. The world is not like that anymore.

755
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: You can't count on that at all. There's too many

756
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:13,280
Speaker 1: things that happened. Peyton Manning ended up as a Denver Bronco,

757
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: you know, after winning a Super Bowl with Indianapolis. They

758
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: just it just doesn't happen like that anymore. You can't

759
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: count on it. Certainly it can, but it takes great

760
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: sacrifice on behalf of the club and great sacrifice on

761
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: behalf of the player to come together make that happen,

762
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: or extenuating circumstances. So yeah, I get it, and you certainly.

763
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 1: Character is tantamount to how good a guy is going

764
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: to be going forward, and when the totality of his career,

765
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: no question, But you know, stuff gets out, stuff gets

766
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,720
Speaker 1: out of control. Your your contract your.

767
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 2: Your circumstances changed. Coaches come in, coach coaches go. Now,

768
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: you feel differently about the organization.

769
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: You outlive the the value of your contract. All of

770
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: a sudden, you sign this deal and it's like, wow,

771
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 1: we got a great deal. We signed him for this deal,

772
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: and then three years later it's like, wow, he can't

773
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: live up to that contract. It never seems to last

774
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 1: like that.

775
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 2: So loyalty is a very difficult thing to capture in

776
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 2: players nowadays. Two, especially in football, because careers are so short.

777
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 2: So a lot of times players more often than not,

778
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 2: are trying to maximize their own value while their career continues,

779
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 2: and that means making as much money as possible. And

780
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 2: some people have to take the mercenary route to do

781
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 2: that and say, look, I'm playing for whoever's paying me

782
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 2: the most, and that's it, because they know their career

783
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,919
Speaker 2: may only be five, six, seven years. Maybe they're lucky

784
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 2: and it's ten. But more often than not that is

785
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 2: not the case, and some people just take the approach

786
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 2: of I'm paying I'm playing for whoever's paying me the most,

787
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 2: wherever that is, I don't care if I got to

788
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 2: play in tim Buck two. That's where I'm going because

789
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 2: they're paying me the most. And that's the way some

790
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 2: players approach it, because they know the average career in

791
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 2: the NFL is three and a half years. Make it

792
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 2: while you're here, and it's hard to change the minds

793
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 2: of some people. And I understand why, because you're only

794
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: going to be that good to play in this league

795
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 2: for so long, and you're one injury away from an

796
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 2: ending anyway. So I respect the loyalty point, butch, I

797
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 2: just don't know how realistic it is in today's day

798
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 2: and age in this sport, specifically knowing how brutal and

799
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 2: how quickly careers can be cut short. Got to take

800
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,240
Speaker 2: a break here, we come back. More of your phone calls.

801
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 2: What is the most important trait the Bill should be

802
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 2: looking for in a draft prospect? You let us know

803
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 2: at aight h three h five fifty or on the

804
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 2: tweets sheet at One Bill's Live. Got Dame Brugler from

805
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 2: the Athletic joining us an hour number two. Stay tuned

806
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 2: for that here on One Bill's Live. Welcome back to

807
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 2: What Bills Live. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you eight

808
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Speaker 2: h three oh five fifty one eight eight eight five

809
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 2: fifty two, five fifty. Then I'm going to get on

810
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 2: board as we are asking you with our topic of

811
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 2: discussion today, what's the most important trait you think the

812
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 2: Bill should be looking for in a draft prospect this spring.

813
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: As we know, they have ten draft choices, only two

814
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 2: on the first two days at twenty and sixty as

815
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 2: of right now. Everything else is day three, So you

816
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 2: let us know what you think is m importante. We

817
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 2: are going to crack open the tweet sheet here. Tweet

818
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: sheet brought to you by Corgan Moving Systems, the official

819
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 2: equipment moving company of the Buffalo Bills, and Ed says

820
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 2: speed can't teach it very well, so that's a trade

821
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 2: he wants in a player you.

822
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: Can you can make yourself faster. But yeah, coming in

823
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: fast in a fast league, Yeah, there's something too there.

824
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 1: Always there, always has been, there, always will be that

825
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: element where if you're faster than guys, it shows you know.

826
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill is a great example and his name escaped

827
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 1: me now. The running back white two K down in Tennessee,

828
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: Chris Johnson was a difference maker and they were just

829
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: they're just that much faster than everybody else. Dion Sanders

830
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:18,919
Speaker 1: was a great player, for a long time in large

831
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: measure because he could accelerate bo Jackson. The guys that

832
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: are faster than everybody else and whatever else they bring

833
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: to the table. And then Dion brought his intellect and

834
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: his savvy and all that stuff to it. But all

835
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: these guys speed sets them apart first, and they become

836
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: something better with all their other tools. I don't have

837
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: a problem with that. But good luck finding somebody in this.

838
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: Everybody's running four threes now. It used to be like

839
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: nobody ran four three. Now everybody does. Yeah.

840
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 2: I mean, if you think about those receivers that a

841
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,720
Speaker 2: lot of people are hoping gets down to the bills

842
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 2: at twenty eight, Brian Thomas runs a four to three three,

843
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: Ady Mitchell runs a four to three four. You know,

844
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 2: xavierly Yet runs a fourth three nine.

845
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: Savior Worthy runs of four to two to one.

846
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's just everybody's fast.

847
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: Uh.

848
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 2: Steve on the tweet, he says, it's hard to describe

849
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 2: what I would look for. I just want guys that

850
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 2: truly appreciate their God given talent. An example, a guy

851
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 2: like Lagett who's been through a lot in life and

852
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 2: feels like his opportunity is a blessing instead of something

853
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 2: owed to him. I hope this makes sense. I got

854
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 2: to tell you, Steve, there's a lot of people and

855
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 2: there'll certainly be more, you know, for the course of

856
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 2: history of this league that just never fully respect that

857
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 2: God given ability that they have and choose to maximize it.

858
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 2: Nothing frustrates me more than seeing that, because there's a

859
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 2: lot of regular Joe's walking around that would kill to

860
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 2: have that kind of that kind of ability to make

861
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 2: use of in the professional ranks.

862
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: That's right, and I get it. I mean, we all

863
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: have our own life experiences, and guys who have been

864
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: set up part athletically or physically for a long time

865
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: in their life, they start to get used to it

866
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: and start to, you know, understand that people perceive them differently,

867
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: and it affects the way they treat other people. It's

868
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: they the way they treat their own life, the way

869
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 1: they treat their own physical gifts, and it affects them.

870
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: And we're all affected by our surroundings. And you gotta

871
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: I mean, that's part and parcel what we've been talking

872
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: about all day here today. How hard do you think

873
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: you gotta work to be great? And how bad do

874
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: you want to be great? And how great do you

875
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: feel you have to be to think yourself is great?

876
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: You know, some people's bar is pretty low in that regard.

877
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: Others they never reach it no matter how much. Guys

878
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: like Michael Jordan and Kobe and you know some of

879
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 1: these basketball they never feel like they've reached.

880
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 2: The top right and squeezed every last outside of what

881
00:46:55,680 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 2: they had and maximize it, refined it, and they affected it.

882
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,479
Speaker 1: They were the most unaffected guys by what people thought

883
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: of them. I mean, if you if they had a

884
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: teammate that hated him, they did not care because they

885
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 1: had they were being as good as they could be.

886
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: And if that guy wasn't going to be as good

887
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: as he could be, you can hate him all you want.

888
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 2: I don't care if you hate me. I'm on a mission.

889
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. If you hate me, you're irrelevant.

890
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: It's true.

891
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 2: That's strong.

892
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: Strong, But that's the way it is. That's the way

893
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: it is. And you know they yeah, it's a it.

894
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 1: The human spirit is unfathomably I don't know if I

895
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: said that right. That's the word unfathomably limitless, and it

896
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: affects all those around you. If you can, if they

897
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: if you can get them to listen to you, you know,

898
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: if you can, if you can affect them.

899
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,760
Speaker 2: Well, Jordan used to get in fist fights in practice.

900
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: Right and it, and he used to That was the

901
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: goal too, is to get into a fist fight so

902
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: you can get something out of the guy. Like you've

903
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: gotta care.

904
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what I'm demanding of all that.

905
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: You've got to care as much as me. Let's go,

906
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: and if he didn't, you'd slap his face and the

907
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,919
Speaker 1: you make the guy angry. At least he'd care about

908
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 1: the competing you making you look bad. You gotta care

909
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: about something. It's you sometimes that's what you gotta do.

910
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: Some of these football players are the same way. You

911
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: can't make them care. It's the most unbelievable thing in

912
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: the world. Listen, dude, you could be a Hall of

913
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: Fame legendary player. You could get a gold jacket, you

914
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: could be all Pro, you could be not on and

915
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: on and on and on. You could be a legend

916
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: if you just you know, if you worked at it,

917
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: and this guy's like, you know what I like where

918
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 1: I'm at? Yeah, I'm good.

919
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 2: Now, you know why the Bills look for guys that

920
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 2: have the intestinal fortitude and self motivation to be the

921
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 2: best they can possibly be and adopt the daily growth

922
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 2: mindset coming in the door. And that's part of the

923
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 2: traits that they seek out when they do all their

924
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 2: background checks and research and interview mom and you know,

925
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 2: their middle school coach and everybody else. You know, that's

926
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 2: why they put the work in, because those are the

927
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Speaker 2: guys they want. Here, got to take a break, but

928
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Speaker 2: our number two will begin with our good friend from

929
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Speaker 2: the Athletic, NFL draft analyst Dane Brugler, who just last

930
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 2: week released his three hundred and fifty page behemoth known

931
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Speaker 2: as The Beast, some of the most comprehensive draft analysis

932
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Speaker 2: you can get anywhere. We'll talk to Dane when we

933
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 2: return here on One Bill's Live presented by a Lot

934
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Speaker 2: of Health.

935
00:49:35,120 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 3: It's Buffalo Bill's Radio.

936
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:24,959
Speaker 1: This One Bill's Live presented by Kaleida Health.

937
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 2: Obviously less than two weeks until the draft, so who

938
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 2: better to have on at this point in time than

939
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 2: NFL draft analysts for the Athletic Dane Brugler, who just

940
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 2: last week released The Beast, the name of his draft guide,

941
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 2: which is his version of War and peace. So Dane,

942
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 2: I've got to begin here because obviously Bills fans have

943
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 2: been obsessed with the receiver class, and that only became

944
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 2: more prominent with the trades of Stefon Diggs. Since we

945
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 2: last caught up with you at the Combine, the tea

946
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 2: have been the subject of debate because I think Bill's

947
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 2: fans are concerned about what is going to fall to

948
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 2: them at twenty eight, and Brian Thomas has an interesting

949
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 2: range anywhere from twelve to twenty I've seen and some

950
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 2: people even have him mocking later than that. What do

951
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 2: you feel is realistic for a landing range for him

952
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 2: in round one?

953
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,879
Speaker 6: I would say, you know, it's tough because there's also

954
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 6: some injury stuff that have popped up on him, and

955
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 6: that might be that might play a part in all

956
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 6: of this. Now, let's just for argument's sake say health

957
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 6: is not an issue here. There have been teams in

958
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 6: the top ten that have used their thirty visits on

959
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 6: Brian Thomas, so you know, really as early as ten,

960
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 6: you know, like the Jets, I think that's the earliest

961
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 6: we could see him go. Obviously we have we're going

962
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 6: to see some trade action, whether that's teams already in

963
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 6: the top ten trading back for a team looking to

964
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 6: go up to get a quarterback, So that's always a possibility.

965
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 6: The Broncos at twelve, we know could use a wide receiver,

966
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 6: fifteen with the Colts could use a wide receiver, seventeen

967
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 6: to Jaguars. I just have a hard time seeing Brian

968
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 6: Thomas get out of the teens. I feel like somewhere

969
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 6: ten to nineteen maybe it is the most realistic spot

970
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 6: for him, assuming you know, no big issues durability wise.

971
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 6: I think with him you have the size speed combination.

972
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 6: Obviously he can win at the catch point with that size.

973
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 6: He's not His route tree wasn't the most expansive when

974
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 6: we talk about these college players, but I think there's

975
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 6: a big difference between raw inexperienced. He's more inexperienced than

976
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 6: he is Raw as a route runner, and to me,

977
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 6: that's encouraging because it's not that he can't do it, it's

978
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 6: just repetition and getting him to do it more. And

979
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 6: so I think if when you look at the top

980
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 6: three receivers, obviously they're going to Marvin Harrison Junior, Milike Neighbors,

981
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 6: Rouma Dunes, whichever order they end up going they're all

982
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,760
Speaker 6: going to be top nine picks. And then, okay, what's

983
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 6: the difference between and most of I think most assume

984
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 6: that Brian Thomas will be that fourth receiver. But you know,

985
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 6: the word consensus should never be mentioned in an NFL

986
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 6: draft conversation because every team looks at these guys a

987
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 6: little bit differently, So ad Ni, Mitchell, Lad McConkie. Where

988
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 6: do these guys factor in for every team with the

989
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 6: with these top receivers, and especially the Bills, you know,

990
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 6: where do they feel like Brian Thomas is clearly the

991
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:35,439
Speaker 6: fourth best receiver and maybe that true X that they

992
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 6: really want on the outside, or do they feel comfortable

993
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 6: waiting and possibly seeing who falls with them in the

994
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 6: late first round or maybe even second third round. Well,

995
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,280
Speaker 6: this is a draft wide receiver. It's going to stretch.

996
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 6: But at the same time, I think we're going to

997
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 6: see these guys fly off the board. If we see thirteen, fourteen,

998
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 6: fifteen receivers in the first two rounds, I don't think

999
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 6: it'd be very surprising.

1000
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then just quickly for our list audience, what

1001
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 2: is the injury concerned with Thomas?

1002
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 6: I honestly, I don't know that just came up this morning.

1003
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 6: Someone gave me a heads up, like, hey, it might

1004
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 6: be something injury, So I even hesitate to put it

1005
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 6: out there, but yeah, it's something that honestly I hate

1006
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 6: this time of year because this is when the medical

1007
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 6: rechecks happen and some of this start stuff starts to

1008
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 6: leak out, and you know it's the injuries or if

1009
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 6: a player falls more times than not, it's because something

1010
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 6: pop up with the injuries where oh, you know, maybe

1011
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 6: he played in every single game, but there there was

1012
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 6: something you know, with the pre existing injury or condition

1013
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 6: or you just you never know. And that's kind of

1014
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 6: the the unknown that all of us on the outside

1015
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 6: are reliant on just the information we get and trying

1016
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 6: to figure out how much of a factor it is

1017
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:51,399
Speaker 6: for every team.

1018
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: So congratulations again on getting this thing finished, this comprehensive

1019
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 1: scouting class, this draft class coming up, and I want

1020
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: it because of your xhawstri for search. You do this

1021
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: thing every year. Can you give this draft because every

1022
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: team kind of gets myopic about which positions and which

1023
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 1: guys they need to do. Give us a personality of

1024
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: this whole draft class. Why is this draft different or

1025
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 1: unique from recent draft classes we've seen come out, Is

1026
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: it different? Yeah?

1027
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 6: I mean every draft class has its own identity, you know,

1028
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 6: its own When we think of a certain draft class,

1029
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 6: I think we certain we think of certain things. A

1030
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 6: lot of times, it's quarterback driven that drives the conversation,

1031
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 6: it drives how we remember draft classes. And that'll be

1032
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 6: especially true this year with the quarterbacks at the top. Obviously,

1033
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 6: Caleb Williams will be a Chicago Bear at the number

1034
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 6: one pick. And then of course the intrigue which quarterback

1035
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 6: goes to to the commanders? Are the Patriots going to

1036
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,879
Speaker 6: take a quarterback at three? And if so, which one?

1037
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 6: And then when's that fourth quarterback come off the board?

1038
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 6: And even you look back at, you know, the the

1039
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 6: fifth and sixth quarterbacks, Michael Pennix, Bo Nicks, when are

1040
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 6: they sneaking to that first round? Are they going to

1041
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 6: be second round picks? So a lot of intrigue with

1042
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 6: the quarterbacks. But I think one of the big themes

1043
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,399
Speaker 6: this year will be the premium positions going early. So

1044
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 6: the off the first round is going to be made

1045
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 6: up of a lot of quarterbacks, a lot of receivers,

1046
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 6: a lot of offensive tackles, and then with a few

1047
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,959
Speaker 6: corners mixed in there, a few edge rushers mixed in there.

1048
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 6: That's going to make up ninety percent of the first round.

1049
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 6: And so not that that's totally you know, foreign the

1050
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 6: most first rounds, but this year, I mean, brock Bowers

1051
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 6: will get in there, but no running backs, probably no linebackers.

1052
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 6: You know, you never say never. You know, maybe a

1053
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 6: junior colson from Michigan could sneak in there, but likely

1054
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 6: no linebackers in the first round. Even defensive tackle, and

1055
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 6: we'll see one or two defensive tackles go in there.

1056
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 6: But for the most part, this will be a draft

1057
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 6: of the premium positions beca because the talent warrants it,

1058
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 6: but also because edge rusher tackle, those two positions especially

1059
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 6: kind of drop off a little bit after that first round.

1060
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 6: So you don't want to be playing musical chairs and

1061
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 6: left without a chair if you really are looking to

1062
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 6: come out of this draft with an offensive tackle with

1063
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,240
Speaker 6: a pass rusher. Corner will stretch, wide receiver will stretch.

1064
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 6: Those are two pretty deep positions this year, but edge

1065
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 6: rusher tackle, the premium positions that teams are really targeting.

1066
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 6: Those positions don't, and so we'll see him go early.

1067
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 2: So Dane on your receiver rankings. We know there are

1068
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 2: players that are sometimes the subject of wide ranging opinion,

1069
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 2: and Steve and I are like big fans of Xavier Legette,

1070
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 2: like the physical specimen that he is. I know some

1071
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 2: people have comptent to aj Brown right wrong or indifferent.

1072
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 2: And then he has a monster workout where he runs

1073
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 2: sub four four at two hundred and twenty one pounds

1074
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 2: and jumps out of the gym. You've got him as

1075
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 2: your fourteenth receiver on your board, and you have him

1076
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 2: projected somewhere in round three. There are some that believe

1077
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 2: he could go as early as the end of round one.

1078
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 2: Where where do you come Why do you come down

1079
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 2: on him as you know a Day two prospect number one?

1080
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 2: And what kind of knock? What kind of knocks if

1081
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 2: there are any do you have on him as as

1082
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 2: a skill set.

1083
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 6: Well, And this is a perfect example of again why

1084
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 6: the word consensus should never be used, because how you

1085
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 6: guys feel about him and how I feel about him,

1086
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,439
Speaker 6: I think is pretty reflective of how some teams feel

1087
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 6: about him. There are some teams that really like look

1088
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 6: at other teams are out, They just they don't believe

1089
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 6: in the player, and I like look at I like

1090
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 6: him as a third round player right around pick seventy five.

1091
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 6: That to me, that's where his value is. But if

1092
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 6: he ends up going earlier, if he sneaks into the

1093
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 6: top fifty, I wouldn't be completely surprised because obviously the

1094
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 6: strengths of his game are pretty obviously, you know, he's

1095
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 6: a good sized player. He's six ' one two twenty

1096
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 6: ran in the four threes. Obviously as outstanding speed. There

1097
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 6: are some questions about, you know, why to take unto

1098
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 6: his fifth year on campus to really break out. I mean,

1099
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 6: he was an afterthought in that offense for the first

1100
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 6: four years. Why did it take into that fifth year?

1101
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 6: His route running is in a straight line. You want

1102
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 6: him on those runway routes, so if it's not a

1103
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 6: vertical route, slants overs where he can catch and run

1104
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 6: and just show off that speed. But can he really

1105
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 6: add the branches to the route tree that teams need.

1106
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 6: The teams are looking for for him to be more

1107
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 6: than just a specific type of receiver, and I think

1108
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 6: that's where my issues with him kind of creep in

1109
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 6: choppy footwork, some of those things at the top of

1110
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 6: routes that you want to see in terms of breaking

1111
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 6: off these crisp ninety degree angles to create separation. I

1112
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 6: think NFL defensive backs are going to be be able

1113
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 6: to stay attached to a lot of his route running

1114
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 6: that are not strictly just run in a straight line,

1115
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 6: go make a play. But again, when you're built the

1116
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 6: way that he is, with the size, the power in

1117
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 6: that straight line speed, there's value in that, no doubt

1118
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 6: about it. It's just if I'm looking for a true X,

1119
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 6: I just have some I have some questions with Leaguette

1120
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 6: that he could live up to being the true X

1121
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 6: on the outside that I'm looking for.

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01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 1: So the Bills have been tagged rightfully so as in

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01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: the wide receiver market in this draft. But they've got

1124
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: the ten picks. They've got. Eight of them are after

1125
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: one twenty eight, one twenty eight and below, so they've

1126
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 1: got two picks inside the one twenty eight, one hundred

1127
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: and first one hundred and twenty eight guys taken. When

1128
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 1: you get down into one twenty eight, one thirty three,

1129
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 1: one forty four, one sixty once to get what kind

1130
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 1: of position group do you feel you're gonna still be

1131
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: neck deep in good talent.

1132
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's tough because that's a lot of waiting. A

1133
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 6: lot of players are going to come off the board.

1134
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: Uh.

1135
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 6: But before you get to that point, I do think

1136
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 6: receiver will stretch where you know, even when you get

1137
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 6: to the fourth round, fifth round, you're gonna feel good

1138
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 6: about some of the receiver still on your board. Now,

1139
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 6: obviously that's not saying they should wait until you get

1140
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 6: to the one twenties in the fifth round and later

1141
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 6: on to draft your receiver. Better chance we see them

1142
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 6: draft receiver early. But if they were to double up

1143
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 6: in this draft, I think the Bills would feel really

1144
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 6: good about. You know, if they want that more of

1145
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 6: a slot receiver, you can go with a Jacob Cowing

1146
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 6: from Arizona. If you're looking for a big body player,

1147
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 6: does Johnny Wilson from Florida State make it that far

1148
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 6: a vertical presence, Anthony Gold from Oregon State more of

1149
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 6: a possession player then you know, maybe Luke McCaffrey from Rice.

1150
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 6: So I think once you get to Day three receiver,

1151
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 6: if they look to double up at the receiver position,

1152
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 6: there will be plenty of options that potentially make sense.

1153
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 6: I think corner and really defensive back as a whole

1154
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 6: is a need for this team as they not just

1155
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 6: for twenty twenty four, but as you look, every GM

1156
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 6: has a twenty twenty five roster somewhere, whether it's on

1157
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 6: the board, it's on their computer, or whatever. They have

1158
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 6: what a twenty twenty five roster in depth chart looks like.

1159
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 6: And so what does that corner depth chart look like

1160
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty five for the Bills. So it's not

1161
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 6: just this year you're drafting for the next three four years,

1162
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 6: we could see them go corner. If they don't go

1163
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 6: corner in the first two days, I think that that

1164
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 6: is a position that they could get later on, you know.

1165
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 6: I think it's a position especially the bigger corners, guys

1166
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 6: like Cam Hart from Notre Dame to Cameron Richardson from

1167
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 6: Mississippi State, Kyrie Jackson from Oregon, some of these guys

1168
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 6: that again, if you're drafting a player this late, you're

1169
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 6: sacrificing something. There's something about their profile that is a

1170
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 6: reason they didn't go earlier. But they have talent, and

1171
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 6: so the corner position will stretch and there'll be a

1172
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 6: lot of options if they wait until that day three range.

1173
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 2: And then and you transitioned me perfectly, Dane, because I

1174
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 2: did want to ask you about the safety class. We

1175
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 2: know that the Bills have plugged some holes, you know,

1176
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 2: re signing Taylor Rap. They get Mike Edwards free agency

1177
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 2: from Kansas City. He's presumed to be the odds on

1178
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 2: favor to be the starting free but this safety class

1179
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 2: could offer them a nice influx of youth to the

1180
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 2: position as well. And what fascinates me about at least

1181
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 2: the top part of the safety class is you have

1182
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 2: some guys that fit the physical profile to a t

1183
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 2: and then you have some other guys that might be

1184
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 2: a little short on size, maybe a little short on

1185
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 2: the clock, but either a play bigger than that or

1186
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 2: seemingly play faster than their time speed. Bullard is a

1187
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 2: guy that comes to mind for that. I know his

1188
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 2: teammate is further down the board considerably, but Tykee Smith

1189
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 2: is another undersized guy. Can you just maybe help me

1190
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 2: in terms of how you evaluate that safety class and

1191
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 2: slot guys that may not fit the physical profile, but

1192
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 2: based on what you see on tape, you think that

1193
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 2: they're going to be valued much higher by clubs.

1194
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 6: And I think it depends. First off, what are you

1195
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 6: asking your safety to do, you know, having a clear

1196
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 6: understanding because it's the same as receiver. We rank all

1197
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 6: these receivers in the same bucket, but we know they're

1198
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:09,919
Speaker 6: all different. And you know, you one hand, you got

1199
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 6: like a Johnny Wilson who's six seven and two hundred

1200
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 6: and thirty five pounds next to a Jacob Cowing from

1201
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 6: Arizona who's five to eight one eighty. I mean, it's

1202
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 6: these are the same. These two players play the same position,

1203
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 6: but they're gonna be asked to do very different things.

1204
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 6: And it's the same thing at safety, where we're going

1205
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 6: to rank all these guys in the same bucket, but

1206
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 6: they offer different skill sets based off of scheme and

1207
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 6: you know, are you looking for a true split safety

1208
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 6: or do you want more of a nickel. And I

1209
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 6: think that's maybe the biggest differentiing factor as we try

1210
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 6: to separate these guys. Some of them can do a

1211
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 6: little bit of everything, some are more specialized. And I

1212
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 6: think you know, the size speed combination certainly matters. You know,

1213
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 6: that's teams care about the size speed because history tells us,

1214
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 6: you know, there's certain thresholds and it's why, in my opinion,

1215
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 6: the top safety this year is Jayden Hicks from Water State.

1216
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 6: I think he fits a lot of what teams are

1217
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:05,439
Speaker 6: looking for, not only size. He's six two, two hundred

1218
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 6: and fifteen pounds. He has speed. He ran four or

1219
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 6: five zero at the Pro Day. His three cone was

1220
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 6: outstanding at the Combine. But I also think he has

1221
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 6: an all around skill set. Where you want him to

1222
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 6: line up in the box, he can do that. He

1223
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 6: can be an intimidating presence, he can run the alley,

1224
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 6: make plays against the run. You want to make him

1225
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 6: plays and coverage. He has the athleticism to do that

1226
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 6: as well. Michael Pennix didn't throw many interceptions this year,

1227
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 6: but you can throw on that tape and see Jayden

1228
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 6: Hicks cover a slot receiver and get one of those

1229
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 6: interceptions against Washington. So I think when you talk about

1230
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 6: versatility and the more you can do, Jayden Hicks from

1231
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 6: Washington State certainly stands out in that regard. And I

1232
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 6: think it's it's I want to see I want to

1233
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 6: see my safeties make plays.

1234
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 1: It could be tough when you scout these guys because.

1235
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 6: You don't know exactly what they're being coached to do

1236
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 6: or what they're being asked to do on a certain play.

1237
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 6: But if they're making plays, that usually translates to the

1238
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 6: next level. So, you know, Tyler Nuban with thirteen career interceptions,

1239
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 6: Tyler the most in Minnesota history. That's something that stands out.

1240
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 6: You know, Cold Bishop a little bit on the opposite.

1241
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 6: I love the talent and the traits with Cold Bishop,

1242
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 6: but I felt like his tape left me wanting a

1243
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 6: little bit more in terms of impact plays, both against

1244
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 6: the run and the past. Now, maybe that's that could

1245
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 6: be flukey where he gets to the NFL and he

1246
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 6: starts making those impact plays. That's certainly possible because I

1247
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 6: think he has the talent and the makeup to do it.

1248
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 6: So safety can be a tricky position to evaluate. You

1249
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 6: have to try to get a really keen sense of

1250
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 6: what they're asked to do on film and college and

1251
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 6: see how that translates to your scheme.

1252
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 1: Dane, and congratulations again, man, appreciate you coming on spending

1253
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:44,920
Speaker 1: some time with us.

1254
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 6: Thank you guys anytime.

1255
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 2: All right. That's Dane Brudler joining us from the Athletics

1256
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 2: their NFL Draft analyst. As his three hundred and something

1257
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 2: page draft guide, it's a tome unbelievable. It's probably one

1258
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 2: of the most thorough and comprehensive ones you'll find out there.

1259
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 2: I know, I know this isn't the only one, but

1260
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 2: you want to talk about comprehensive, it is that with

1261
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 2: a capital C. And yeah, I think safety is gonna

1262
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 2: be an interesting position to see how it unfolds. There

1263
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 2: is a general consensus that no safeties are even going

1264
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 2: to go in the top fifty. I tend to disagree

1265
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 2: with that. I think there might be one that goes

1266
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 2: in the top fifty. We'll see. There'll be a couple

1267
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 2: of Day two. As you heard Danes say, there's probably

1268
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 2: gonna be about five that go. And the Bills, you know,

1269
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:33,640
Speaker 2: you can make the argument they're in they're in the

1270
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 2: market for one.

1271
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:37,480
Speaker 1: The thing about the Bills with ten picks, there's gonna

1272
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 1: be at least one. There's always one. Even when they

1273
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 1: only have seven or six picks, there's always one position.

1274
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 1: It's like, wow, they took it. Damn like they took

1275
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 1: a linebacker or they took a guard. This year, there's

1276
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 1: always one of those where they they take the guy

1277
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 1: because he stands out on their board. And even if

1278
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 1: it's a position of strength, already. I mean, there's nothing

1279
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 1: that says they won't take a tight end this year,

1280
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So all that in the mix,

1281
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 1: there's always one of those picks, and the safety is

1282
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 1: I think for the Bills. I think the Bills value

1283
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:10,439
Speaker 1: it a little higher than other teams do, at least

1284
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 1: we seem to think so, mostly because you go back

1285
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:14,919
Speaker 1: in time and Sean McDermott. The first guys he signed

1286
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: were two safeties that we'd never heard of, Michah Hyde

1287
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 1: and Jordan Poyer. And now now all of a sudden,

1288
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 1: we're all safety experts, right, We're all, hey, we know

1289
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 1: what's up right. So you figure like that they're gonna

1290
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:29,719
Speaker 1: do it again with some position. But I there's always

1291
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:31,680
Speaker 1: a pick in these drafts that I'm like going, oh,

1292
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 1: they took one of those, you know, So we'll see

1293
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 1: what it is this year. Yeah, I don't think say

1294
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 1: I think that there's definitely they're going to take a

1295
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:41,680
Speaker 1: safety somewhat. So I don't think that's the position I'm

1296
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 1: talking about. I'm thinking it's going to be something else, like,

1297
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:46,720
Speaker 1: you know, linebacker, tight end, like I said, tight end

1298
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:50,640
Speaker 1: or whatever, running back, who knows, But one of these

1299
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:52,600
Speaker 1: picks of these ten is going to be at a

1300
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:54,639
Speaker 1: position we have not even spoken about.

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01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 2: Right, let's get back to the topic of discussion today.

1302
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 2: The trait that you think the Bill must look for

1303
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 2: in a draft prospect? What is the number one trait

1304
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 2: in your mind for that? And next up on the

1305
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:11,840
Speaker 2: tweets sheet is Jack who says, a wide receiver who

1306
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 2: gets open either by speed or by routes. But this

1307
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:17,680
Speaker 2: man has to have the ability to get open consistently

1308
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 2: and not drop a Josh Allen fastball. This is why

1309
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 2: a guy like Coleman doesn't appeal to me. He's talking

1310
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 2: about Keon Coleman, the Florida State kid has trouble getting

1311
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 2: open and will struggle even more in the NFL. Get me, McConkey.

1312
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 2: I do know that there are things that the Bills

1313
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:38,600
Speaker 2: prioritize in their receivers. One is catch rate that is

1314
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:42,680
Speaker 2: not lost on them. And so you know, you can

1315
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:45,760
Speaker 2: look up and down the list at receivers with a

1316
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 2: super high catch rate. Dalton and Ka being the most

1317
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 2: recent example, had the highest catch rate of any college player.

1318
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 2: They trade up and get him after the run on

1319
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 2: receivers happened last year. So I don't think that changes

1320
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 2: just because they're looking for a receiver now, So maybe

1321
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 2: look at the guys with a high catch rate or

1322
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 2: a low drop rate, well one way or the other,

1323
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 2: look for that. But I think there is something to

1324
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:13,639
Speaker 2: be said too, Steve. For you know, we hear all

1325
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:19,599
Speaker 2: this talk about coordinators that can scheme players open and

1326
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 2: then players who can get open all on their own.

1327
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 2: And obviously the latter is more valuable because now your

1328
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 2: coordinator don't have to work is hard because they can

1329
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 2: win on their own and get open.

1330
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 1: You can scheme guys open in zone coverage. You can't

1331
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:34,719
Speaker 1: scheme open and Manda Man, if they've got two really

1332
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 1: good corners, you know what I'm saying. So that when

1333
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 1: when you're talking about getting open, you're talking about a

1334
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 1: guy run against man who gets open on his own.

1335
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 1: You're talking about getting a guy schemed open when you're

1336
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 1: going against zone coverage. And that's because there's you know

1337
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 1: where the defenders are going to be if they're in zone,

1338
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 1: so you can put guys where they're not Manda Man.

1339
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 1: You guys just got to shake the guy. And so

1340
01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 1: that's why you need guys who can get open, because

1341
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:03,599
Speaker 1: if if if they got guys who can cover people up.

1342
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 1: They're gonna play a lot of man because they you

1343
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 1: just haven't got the guys that can get open on them.

1344
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:10,600
Speaker 1: It's just it's a matchup league, and it's and sometimes

1345
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:13,760
Speaker 1: it's your coordinator matched up against their coordinator, you know,

1346
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 1: in their play call, and sometimes it's your guys matched

1347
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 1: up against their guys, and you got to be you

1348
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 1: gotta win every way possible to do it. To win consistently,

1349
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 1: you got to find a different way to win sometimes,

1350
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:28,599
Speaker 1: and that having the tools in the box, like guys

1351
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 1: who can get open against man is it.

1352
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:35,559
Speaker 2: Mickey on the tweets, she says work ethic, loves ball,

1353
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 2: wants to be the best he can be. You find

1354
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 2: guys like that, and you generally build a winner. I

1355
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 2: think we've kind of covered that ground because that has

1356
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 2: been mentioned already before here on the show, both on

1357
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:47,679
Speaker 2: the phones and here on the tweet sheet. Backbone five

1358
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 2: says route tree and success rate per route. He's obviously

1359
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 2: got receiver on the mind a Dunza. That's what he

1360
01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 2: typed there in his tweet.

1361
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:00,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I get it.

1362
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 2: The problem is some of the better receivers in the

1363
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:11,680
Speaker 2: class after the top three really haven't been asked to

1364
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 2: do a lot of to run a lot of different

1365
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 2: branches off the route tree because they're so talented and

1366
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:20,600
Speaker 2: gifted physically that they can win on just two or

1367
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 2: three routes. So why are you gonna have them run

1368
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:25,760
Speaker 2: an eighteen yard comeback when they can win on a

1369
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 2: slant fade all day long, every day because of their

1370
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:34,559
Speaker 2: gifted athletic traits. And a lot of times college coaches

1371
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 2: are just worrying about does this work? Yes, then keep

1372
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:39,720
Speaker 2: doing that. I don't need you to run the whole

1373
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 2: route tree. Run that so we score touchdowns and win

1374
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:44,719
Speaker 2: the football game. That's what he cares about. He doesn't

1375
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 2: care about developing the player.

1376
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 1: That's right. That's right. And they and they, you know

1377
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:51,800
Speaker 1: a lot of times when they're at a level maybe

1378
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 1: sub Power five or even some Power five schools at

1379
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:58,560
Speaker 1: the bottoms of the conferences. You know, I'm not disparaging

1380
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 1: any of these programs, but some of these conferences who

1381
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 1: have football in their com and the bottom half are

1382
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 1: always the same five or six teams. You know, they've

1383
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 1: been in the conference for seventy five years and they

1384
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 1: never won it. They want it in nineteen, you know,

1385
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:14,720
Speaker 1: eighty three.

1386
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 2: Like Indiana in the Big Tech right football.

1387
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:18,640
Speaker 1: Like Northwestern in the Big Ten in football and all

1388
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:22,800
Speaker 1: that stuff. And you've got teams like Vanderbilt, you know,

1389
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 1: those in sec kind of thing. So some weeks you

1390
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:30,599
Speaker 1: roll your players out there and just do what they

1391
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 1: do best and you're gonna win. You don't have to

1392
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 1: develop different aspects of your offense to be successful. Now

1393
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 1: you go to That's why Power five schools are what

1394
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:45,639
Speaker 1: they are. Alabama can beat you six ways, Clemps can

1395
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:48,800
Speaker 1: beat you six ways. Georgia can beat you ten ways, right,

1396
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:51,360
Speaker 1: Ucla can beat you six ways. You know, USC can

1397
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:53,639
Speaker 1: beat you. A bunch of they find they have different

1398
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 1: ways to beat you because their athletes are versatile and

1399
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 1: well developed and polished like Marvin Harrison Junior and Roam

1400
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 1: Doonesday and Malik Neighbors. They've got a bunch of guys

1401
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 1: who can do a lot of things, and for lesser

1402
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 1: athletes it's just too much. But as it becomes obvious,

1403
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 1: when you're playing against students into the future, future football,

1404
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:20,679
Speaker 1: future pro football players, you get away with stuff.

1405
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, we got to take a break here, but

1406
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 2: when we come back, we'll open the phone lines again,

1407
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 2: Jack and Cheek to wagu will lead us off along

1408
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 2: with others, holding an ATO three oh five fifty. What

1409
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 2: is the number one trade for you that you think

1410
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:38,639
Speaker 2: the Bills need to find in a draft prospect ATO

1411
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 2: three oh five fifty Open line for you. There more

1412
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:42,680
Speaker 2: of your phone calls after this on one Bill's Live.

1413
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 2: Stay with us, all right, tell us the trade you

1414
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 2: think is most important for the Bills to find in

1415
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 2: a draft prospect ATO three five to fifty. Number to

1416
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 2: get on board had some interesting responses thus far, anything

1417
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:11,879
Speaker 2: from the character realm to the physical trait realm speed,

1418
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:14,720
Speaker 2: among others. So you let us know what you think

1419
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 2: it is. Open line for you at ATO three five

1420
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:19,720
Speaker 2: to fifty. But we lead off this segment with Jack

1421
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 2: and cheek to Wagga. What's up Jack?

1422
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:25,759
Speaker 7: Hi, guys, I'm going to direct this question as Steve

1423
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 7: through you, Chris. Basically, you want a guy who's got

1424
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:35,920
Speaker 7: the fire in him to overachieve to be the best

1425
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:38,840
Speaker 7: player he could be, and hopefully the Bills it's one

1426
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:40,680
Speaker 7: of the traits they're looking for in there, guys. But

1427
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 7: Steve always reminded me of the Bills Rudy. I know

1428
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:48,759
Speaker 7: you're faster than Rudy.

1429
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:49,639
Speaker 1: I know you're.

1430
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:53,599
Speaker 7: Bigger than Rudy. But during your years with the Bills,

1431
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 7: was there ever a situation that you sat and looked

1432
01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 7: at his boy? I wish I could put my in

1433
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:04,560
Speaker 7: that guy's body. And I'll just leave it at that

1434
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 7: and listen to your answer.

1435
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 1: No.

1436
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 2: First of all, let me just say this, I think

1437
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 2: Jack's selling your way short.

1438
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:13,719
Speaker 1: I'm sure you, Rudy.

1439
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:17,680
Speaker 2: I mean, you had a college career. You know you

1440
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:20,639
Speaker 2: ran in the four threes. You know you jumped over

1441
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:25,559
Speaker 2: thirty six inches on vertical Rudy didn't have a prayer

1442
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 2: of doing any of that crap. So let me just

1443
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 2: put that out there.

1444
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:30,040
Speaker 1: No, I'm sure he meant in the nicest way, and

1445
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:35,479
Speaker 1: I will accept it as a compliment. The no, I

1446
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 1: mean I never you never know, I said I wouldn't.

1447
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:40,160
Speaker 1: I never want to put my you know, I never

1448
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 1: wanted to be anybody else. I'll put it that way,

1449
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 1: even as a role player on the in the NFL

1450
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 1: and a guy who covered kicks and you know, I yeah, okay,

1451
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:51,559
Speaker 1: I made a name for myself doing it. But most

1452
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:54,720
Speaker 1: of the guys that I played with, even some of

1453
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 1: them that you've never heard of just they wanted to

1454
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 1: do their thing. You know, they wouldn't said, man, I

1455
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 1: wish I was like you. And the joke I make

1456
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:06,920
Speaker 1: all the time is, you know I tease my friends that,

1457
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 1: you know, if I was built like them, and I

1458
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 1: just had my sixty second birthday, I said, if I

1459
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:13,439
Speaker 1: was built like you, I'd still be playing at sixty two.

1460
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 1: You like making fun of them for being underachievers, right,

1461
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 1: because I you know that kind of thing. No, I no,

1462
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:22,759
Speaker 1: I mean everybody would liked to be bigger, stronger, faster,

1463
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 1: and more athletic all that sure, because that because let's

1464
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 1: face it, it would make your life easier. I mean that's

1465
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:30,840
Speaker 1: what you're talking about, right. My life would have been

1466
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:34,200
Speaker 1: a lot easier if I was six five and Wade,

1467
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 1: you know, had that kind of weight and could do

1468
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:38,560
Speaker 1: all the stuff I did athletically, My life would have

1469
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:42,680
Speaker 1: been easier. That's why it's not like you know, it

1470
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 1: just would have been easier on me instead of being,

1471
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:49,360
Speaker 1: you know, looking like a sixth grader. Right, so still

1472
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 1: made it work. I appreciate I yeah, I appreciate it,

1473
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 1: uh Jack. But now I will take your rudy comment

1474
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 1: in stride you.

1475
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 2: Got, you got more than one play your senior year

1476
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:01,920
Speaker 2: in college, and you also played for thirteen years in

1477
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 2: the NFL. For crying out loud, I think we've got

1478
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:06,560
Speaker 2: to find a better comparison. Let's go to Brian in

1479
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:08,000
Speaker 2: Orchard Park. What's up Brian?

1480
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 8: Hey, guys, two comment quickly. You know, I've been thinking

1481
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 8: while I was waiting on the what I think the

1482
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:20,439
Speaker 8: number one trade is? And and I'm thinking the number

1483
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:23,599
Speaker 8: one need is receiver. So I think the number one

1484
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 8: trade is separation when you look at the receiver position

1485
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 8: and you know, the only guy to me, and you know,

1486
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:35,120
Speaker 8: we're very limited as fans to watch. You know, you're

1487
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 8: only watching highlights, not low lights. The Xavier Worthy to

1488
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:41,640
Speaker 8: me is the only guy who really does that. And

1489
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 8: also Lad McConkey from Georgia does that. The other thing

1490
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 8: from your previous segment talking about a route tree, you know,

1491
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 8: I think the term route tree is pretty old now.

1492
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 8: You know, there is no such thing as a route

1493
01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 8: tree anymore. It's more or less guys understanding and learning

1494
01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:04,799
Speaker 8: when they're open, you know, or zone, sit it down, whatever.

1495
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 8: But there is no route tree anymore. They're different tags,

1496
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 8: but that term should go. So I think separation and

1497
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 8: if I had to add a second would be wander

1498
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 8: explore slash smarts. I'll leave it at that thing.

1499
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 1: Wonder score.

1500
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all I say, football smarts. I get it it.

1501
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:28,479
Speaker 2: Sometimes those tests, and part of the reason they're given

1502
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:32,240
Speaker 2: is they speak to a player's ability to process things quickly,

1503
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:35,840
Speaker 2: because it is a time test in addition to being,

1504
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:41,559
Speaker 2: you know, an aptitude test. And for receivers, especially being

1505
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 2: able to identify coverage in the snap of a finger

1506
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 2: and react accordingly, and to react in the way that

1507
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 2: your quarterback is also seeing it. It's pretty important things

1508
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:54,559
Speaker 2: because if you don't do that, a lot of passes

1509
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 2: are gonna end up going the other way.

1510
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 1: And we kind of you, I'll admit to And I

1511
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 1: was all over this topic today. What trade must bills

1512
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:07,040
Speaker 1: look for in the draft prospect Let's face it, there's

1513
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:09,600
Speaker 1: a bunch of them you got to have, and to

1514
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 1: pick one that's most important. It means that either there's

1515
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 1: some of these traits that had you you take as

1516
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:19,440
Speaker 1: given to all the candidates, you know, all the prospects,

1517
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:22,360
Speaker 1: and some of them that set them apart. Every guy's

1518
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 1: got a little bit of every trait you can think of,

1519
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 1: and what that combination is is what makes him who

1520
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 1: he is. And certainly what goes on inside is in

1521
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:35,760
Speaker 1: between his ears and inside his chest is a great deal.

1522
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:37,599
Speaker 1: It has a great deal to do with what goes

1523
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:40,439
Speaker 1: on with a physical and we've we've all seen all

1524
01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:43,640
Speaker 1: of that. It's kind of a trick to me now

1525
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 1: that we've been doing this now for over an hour

1526
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:47,280
Speaker 1: and a half with his topic, and it's kind of

1527
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 1: a trick question because a lot of what we say

1528
01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 1: in these things is a reaction to what we've seen

1529
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 1: for the bills receiving core over the last couple of years.

1530
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 1: We said, we want something different than that, we want

1531
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:02,400
Speaker 1: something better here, and you take what they've done so

1532
01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:05,400
Speaker 1: well for granted. So I think it's a little bit

1533
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 1: of a trick question in this this this Twitter poll

1534
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:14,639
Speaker 1: we've done today. But that doesn't change the fact that

1535
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:19,960
Speaker 1: whoever they're gonna get is gonna be a household name

1536
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 1: in this town for a while. At least, this guy's

1537
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:25,040
Speaker 1: gonna be able to play at number twenty eight or

1538
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:27,599
Speaker 1: number twenty three, or wherever they trade up, or thirty

1539
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 1: five or thirty seven, wherever they trade down to and

1540
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 1: if they too, I think that's about as far as

1541
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:35,640
Speaker 1: they'll go either direction.

1542
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:36,960
Speaker 5: This.

1543
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:41,840
Speaker 1: They're gonna get a really good player. This guy's gonna

1544
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:45,200
Speaker 1: have all this stuff in large measure. Some of it

1545
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 1: may outshine other parts of it, but he's gonna have

1546
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 1: all these traits. And that's one of the things you

1547
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:52,000
Speaker 1: can't get. It's like when I sent my kids to college.

1548
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:55,960
Speaker 1: I came to find out with all five of our

1549
01:21:56,040 --> 01:22:00,599
Speaker 1: children who went to college, you agg an over where

1550
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:03,200
Speaker 1: to send your kid to school. Right, it's a big decision.

1551
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:05,640
Speaker 2: And you want them to be happy in the right

1552
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:06,519
Speaker 2: place where they are.

1553
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:09,280
Speaker 1: What we found is in our experience with all five

1554
01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:11,799
Speaker 1: of them going to different schools and different levels of schools,

1555
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:15,479
Speaker 1: is that what happens after you make the decision is

1556
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:18,680
Speaker 1: what means, whether it's right or wrong. You got to

1557
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 1: make the decision right, and that's what's going to happen.

1558
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:23,559
Speaker 1: The Bills are going to make this decision, but the

1559
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:26,439
Speaker 1: kid is going to make it right or he's going

1560
01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:28,439
Speaker 1: to make it wrong. It has nothing that the Bills

1561
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 1: could pick the guy with all the right reasons, with

1562
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:32,719
Speaker 1: all the right instincts, with all the right What happens

1563
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 1: after that is what makes the decision right or wrong.

1564
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 1: You make the decision right or wrong after it's been made.

1565
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of work to be done after

1566
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:45,000
Speaker 1: this draft. And that goes for all ten of these

1567
01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:47,720
Speaker 1: draft picks that we saw it here before. And I

1568
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 1: can't remember the kid's name I blanked on. A couple

1569
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:53,559
Speaker 1: days ago. Kyle Williams got drafted in the fifth round

1570
01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 1: as a defensive tackle. The Bills took a guy in

1571
01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:59,200
Speaker 1: the first round, which was was a mccl John macrgo.

1572
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:02,040
Speaker 1: Bill's fans of a certain vintage will remember it wasn't

1573
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:05,280
Speaker 1: that long ago, but it was a while. So John

1574
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:08,200
Speaker 1: McCargo gets drafted by the Buffalo Bills in the first round.

1575
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:10,720
Speaker 1: In the fifth round, they take this other guy, this

1576
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:13,920
Speaker 1: Kyle Williams, and okay, he's a throw in. Let's go.

1577
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 1: So a training camp happens and after the first day

1578
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:18,599
Speaker 1: of training camp, the defensive line coach comes off field.

1579
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:23,800
Speaker 1: I happened to be standing there, he goes, I can

1580
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:25,719
Speaker 1: tell you right now who can which one can play.

1581
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 1: It wasn't the first rounder. Twenty minutes, he says. Twenty

1582
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 1: minutes into that practice, I knew the guy that could play.

1583
01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:34,920
Speaker 2: We all saw it on the first day of training

1584
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 2: camp too.

1585
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 1: It took him twenty And it's amazing that they couldn't

1586
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 1: find that out in the draft part. You can't find

1587
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:45,640
Speaker 1: it out. They hide it, you can't find it. But

1588
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:46,559
Speaker 1: they got a guy.

1589
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:47,680
Speaker 2: It doesn't say all right.

1590
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:51,840
Speaker 1: Nobody, nobody in Bill's Mafia cared whether they just got

1591
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:53,560
Speaker 1: they got one. They didn't care if Kyle Wents with

1592
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:55,240
Speaker 1: the fifth round. They got him. They got the guy.

1593
01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:58,320
Speaker 1: And he was here for over a decade and was

1594
01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 1: an absolute stud on and off the field. And who

1595
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:06,280
Speaker 1: cares if he was a first rounder or fifth rounder.

1596
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 1: You find that out after you make the decision.

1597
01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, And just because our last caller was asking. There

1598
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 2: are other receivers in this draft who can separate. Obviously,

1599
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:20,880
Speaker 2: each of the top three are very good at that.

1600
01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:24,080
Speaker 2: McCaughey is a good one, Mitchell can separate as well,

1601
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 2: Roman Wilson, the Michigan Kid, really good separator. Ricky Pearsall,

1602
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:31,200
Speaker 2: who I like is a Day two option from Florida,

1603
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:35,240
Speaker 2: can separate consistently. And there are others down through the

1604
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 2: rest of the draft. Luke McCaffrey, for example, who's probably

1605
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:41,400
Speaker 2: going to be a Day three pick out of Rice,

1606
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:45,880
Speaker 2: Christian's younger brother can separate. So there are a number

1607
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:48,160
Speaker 2: of options. And you know you heard Dane Brugler earlier

1608
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 2: this hour basically say that receivers going to carry through

1609
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:55,920
Speaker 2: into day three. It's going to stretch because there are

1610
01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:59,320
Speaker 2: that many guys with enough in the toolbox to play

1611
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:02,880
Speaker 2: in this league and contribute early in their careers. So

1612
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 2: I think we got to keep it in mind, Steve,

1613
01:25:06,439 --> 01:25:08,920
Speaker 2: because if the value is not right at twenty eight

1614
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:12,880
Speaker 2: at receiver, Bill are probably taking a defensive lineman.

1615
01:25:13,400 --> 01:25:16,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, if he if he fits the values right there,

1616
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 1: he fits the value as well as the receiver. Did

1617
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 1: you know That's You're right, and I don't have a

1618
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:24,639
Speaker 1: problem with it. I'm I do trust him those because

1619
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:28,479
Speaker 1: you and I see it. Those guys are grinding. Brandon

1620
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:31,240
Speaker 1: Bean is grinding over tape and they're talking about and

1621
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:33,040
Speaker 1: they're chewing it up even more than we do on

1622
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:36,880
Speaker 1: this show. They're chewing guys up, and they know more

1623
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:39,040
Speaker 1: than we do about the guy. They know about this guy,

1624
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:41,960
Speaker 1: that guy. They've talked to the guy. So they're chewing

1625
01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 1: up all that information and they are not They do

1626
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 1: not want to make a mistake they're not going to

1627
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:50,400
Speaker 1: casually just say Okay, we'll just take this guy's stead.

1628
01:25:50,439 --> 01:25:54,000
Speaker 1: There's none of that. There's none of that. They've got

1629
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:55,800
Speaker 1: a lot of voices in that room who have done

1630
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:58,200
Speaker 1: the work, and they listen to everybody. Everybody's got to,

1631
01:25:58,240 --> 01:26:00,000
Speaker 1: everybody's got to, you know, their two cents. They put

1632
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:03,760
Speaker 1: it in and they've got all the information they need

1633
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 1: to make the right decision. But there's always the other

1634
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:09,000
Speaker 1: guy over here who's also got a lot going for him,

1635
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:09,880
Speaker 1: and it's hard to choose.

1636
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:12,439
Speaker 2: We have to take a break. When we come back,

1637
01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:13,960
Speaker 2: we'll see if we can squeeze in a phone call

1638
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 2: or some final thoughts on the tweets. Sheeet next here

1639
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 2: on One Bill's Live, Stay with Us All Right, final

1640
01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:36,639
Speaker 2: segment here on Monday, One Bill's Live, Chris Brown, Steve

1641
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:38,559
Speaker 2: task you with you gonna take one more phone call

1642
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:41,360
Speaker 2: here as we check in with Mark and West Seneca.

1643
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:41,880
Speaker 2: What's that Mark?

1644
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 9: Hey, guys, real quick, first, foremost and always for me,

1645
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:51,400
Speaker 9: when these guys, when they're going to get drafted, they're

1646
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 9: physically they're going to have traits to even be considered.

1647
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:57,639
Speaker 10: But how teachable are they? And I think we got

1648
01:26:57,640 --> 01:27:00,799
Speaker 10: two examples on our roster right now. Look at Bernard

1649
01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:05,080
Speaker 10: obviously had some limitations physically, that's why he dropped down

1650
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:07,800
Speaker 10: to where he did being drafted. But he's proven to

1651
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:10,519
Speaker 10: be a guy who loves the game and is obviously

1652
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:15,200
Speaker 10: very teachable. Kyer eelam. He's a guy who has elite

1653
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:19,080
Speaker 10: physical traits. And I'm guessing, and I know I'm guessing,

1654
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:22,839
Speaker 10: but he's not on the field. Is that possibly because

1655
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:26,880
Speaker 10: he's not as teachable or whatever? And so, I mean,

1656
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:29,759
Speaker 10: it's great to have these guys who can run, fast,

1657
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:32,599
Speaker 10: jump high, and do all these great things, but if

1658
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 10: they can't comprehend the game, and the NFL game is

1659
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:39,760
Speaker 10: a very very complicated game at every aspect, then they

1660
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:41,799
Speaker 10: just can't play. So that's that's my additude.

1661
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:42,320
Speaker 7: Thank you, guys.

1662
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:44,479
Speaker 2: Thanks, Mark appreciate it. He says it all the time.

1663
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:46,479
Speaker 2: You got to be smart to last long in this league.

1664
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:49,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, that smart guys always last longer, and they always

1665
01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:52,680
Speaker 1: get better. Smart guys get better as they play, and

1666
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:55,400
Speaker 1: they learn to not only to get better and to

1667
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:59,160
Speaker 1: enhance their career, but also to stay in the game.

1668
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:01,640
Speaker 2: And overcome whatever physical imitations.

1669
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:02,840
Speaker 1: They might end And as you get older, you know,

1670
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:05,680
Speaker 1: the physical imitations become more and more age related and

1671
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:09,679
Speaker 1: accumulation of wear and tear related than they do lack

1672
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:12,200
Speaker 1: of knowledge or ability to understand what's going on. Usually,

1673
01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 1: as the longer you stay, you understand more and more

1674
01:28:15,320 --> 01:28:17,160
Speaker 1: and more about what's going on because you've seen so

1675
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:19,040
Speaker 1: much and so much and so much, and you can

1676
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 1: apply it to what's going on here and now, and

1677
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:23,760
Speaker 1: it gives you an edge and advantage and so that

1678
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:28,760
Speaker 1: you know you're right. You need a guy that's really

1679
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:31,960
Speaker 1: intelligent and teachable and is and wants to learn it.

1680
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 1: And if you can get one of those guys, they're

1681
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:36,479
Speaker 1: gonna be a different guy in two years than they

1682
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:38,560
Speaker 1: are this year when you draft him.

1683
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:44,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I think the Terrel Bernard example

1684
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:49,160
Speaker 2: is an unbelievable point to be made because Tremaine Edmunds

1685
01:28:49,160 --> 01:28:53,720
Speaker 2: had elite physical traits, like rare physical gifts. I don't

1686
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:57,840
Speaker 2: think he had the same football instincts that Terrell Bernard has. Right,

1687
01:28:58,000 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 2: And you can make the argument that Terrel Bernard sees

1688
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:02,920
Speaker 2: last year was more productive than any single Tremaine edmund

1689
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:03,920
Speaker 2: season in a Bill's uniform.

1690
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bernard sees it ahead of time. He can anticipate,

1691
01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:07,960
Speaker 1: and that makes a difference.

1692
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:10,400
Speaker 2: That's it for us today. We'll catch you on Tuesday.

1693
01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:12,479
Speaker 2: More draft talk here on one Bill's Live. We'll see

1694
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:12,800
Speaker 2: you at Won