WEBVTT - Ep. 96: The Arkansaw Image

0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:09.320
<v Speaker 1>Eighteen fifty one movie did gets published. There's one mention

0:00:09.480 --> 0:00:14.320
<v Speaker 1>of Arkansas, Arkansas always portrayed as crazy, violent, and stupid,

0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:20.280
<v Speaker 1>only one line. I've waited my whole life for this opportunity.

0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:23.880
<v Speaker 1>Perhaps this was even the primary reason for my birth

0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:27.840
<v Speaker 1>and what some have called the creation state, the Bear State,

0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:32.800
<v Speaker 1>my beloved Arkansas. If this is the last Bear Grease

0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:37.040
<v Speaker 1>podcast I ever make, my soul will be satiated by

0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:41.040
<v Speaker 1>the sweet nectar of having had the last word, by

0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:44.400
<v Speaker 1>being given a chance to explain things that the world,

0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:48.320
<v Speaker 1>in its frivolous pursuit of progress, has yet to slow

0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:52.640
<v Speaker 1>down enough to understand. I'm quite certain this is the

0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:56.560
<v Speaker 1>greatest place on planet Earth. But on this episode we're

0:00:56.560 --> 0:01:01.080
<v Speaker 1>gonna talk about the Arkansas image. Say it was the

0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:04.400
<v Speaker 1>most picked on state in America in the twentieth century,

0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:06.760
<v Speaker 1>But there are a lot of other places kind of

0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:10.880
<v Speaker 1>like us. So why we've been branded as a haven

0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:16.000
<v Speaker 1>for barefoot, uneducated, feuding and poverty stricken folks gifted with

0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:21.160
<v Speaker 1>an inferiority complex and defensiveness as part of our cultural inheritance.

0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:24.800
<v Speaker 1>It's time we set the record straight and separate fact

0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:29.560
<v Speaker 1>from fiction. We'll learn those characterizations weren't far from the truth,

0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:33.800
<v Speaker 1>but they were oversimplified and myopically viewed by a nation

0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:37.319
<v Speaker 1>who deeply wanted us to be that. We'll explore the

0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:41.520
<v Speaker 1>power of regional identity and why Arkansas is still shaking

0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:45.880
<v Speaker 1>its frontier image. We'll talk with doctor Brooks Blevins, doctor

0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:49.680
<v Speaker 1>Jeanie Wayne, and doctor Bob Cochrane to understand the roots

0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:53.160
<v Speaker 1>of this image, its impacts, both good and bad. And

0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:56.600
<v Speaker 1>we'll have some surprised guests that will certainly shock you.

0:01:57.160 --> 0:01:59.600
<v Speaker 1>We'll talk with the curator of one of the finest

0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:03.400
<v Speaker 1>museums of American art in the country. We'll hear from

0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:07.240
<v Speaker 1>the founder of Walmart. Yeah, I said, we'll hear from

0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:13.280
<v Speaker 1>him directly, and we'll hear a never before released interview

0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:18.200
<v Speaker 1>with none other than Arkansas's own first son, Bill Clinton.

0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:22.320
<v Speaker 1>You think I'm kidding, but I'm not. And regardless of

0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:26.080
<v Speaker 1>if you care anything about Arkansas, you're gonna learn something

0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:29.359
<v Speaker 1>about the complexity of how things came to be as

0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:32.640
<v Speaker 1>they are and how meaningful it can be to be

0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:37.880
<v Speaker 1>connected to place. I really doubt, for real you're gonna

0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:41.440
<v Speaker 1>want to miss this one. But before we start, I

0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:44.960
<v Speaker 1>want you to take an inventory of the image of

0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:47.560
<v Speaker 1>Arkansas that you have in your mind. What do you

0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:50.320
<v Speaker 1>think when you hear about this state? Where did it

0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:54.120
<v Speaker 1>come from? From the very earliest days, there has been

0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:58.520
<v Speaker 1>this sort of defensive inferiority complex that is just it's

0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:01.800
<v Speaker 1>almost part of your hair. Is someone who grows up

0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:04.280
<v Speaker 1>in Arkansas, you just expect people are going to make

0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:15.760
<v Speaker 1>fun of you. My name is Clay Nukeam and this

0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:19.880
<v Speaker 1>is the Bear Grease Podcast where we'll explore things forgotten

0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:24.320
<v Speaker 1>but relevant, search for insight and unlikely places, and where

0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:28.200
<v Speaker 1>we'll tell the story of Americans who lived their lives

0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:33.560
<v Speaker 1>close to the land, presented by f HF gear, American

0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:37.800
<v Speaker 1>maid purpose built hunting and fishing gear that's designed to

0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:50.360
<v Speaker 1>be as rugged as the place. As we explore, happened

0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:54.360
<v Speaker 1>happened in Arkansas. Where else could it have happened? But

0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:58.480
<v Speaker 1>the creation state, the finishing up country, a state where

0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:01.160
<v Speaker 1>the soil runs down to the center of the earth

0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:04.040
<v Speaker 1>and the government gives you title to every inch of it.

0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:07.600
<v Speaker 1>Then it's air. Just breathe them and they'll make you

0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:11.160
<v Speaker 1>snort like a horse. It's a state without fault. It

0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:23.840
<v Speaker 1>is Jim Dogged, the big Bear of Arkansas. The Arkansas

0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:27.159
<v Speaker 1>image has been brewed since the late sixteen hundreds, and

0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:30.760
<v Speaker 1>it's still alive today. I'll be braving the river of

0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:34.599
<v Speaker 1>stereotypes and honest to God truth to see which one

0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:38.600
<v Speaker 1>makes it to the other side. My friend doctor Brooks Blevins,

0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:41.719
<v Speaker 1>I think loves Arkansas as much as I do, and

0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:44.599
<v Speaker 1>that's what qualifies us to speak so frankly and with

0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:48.679
<v Speaker 1>such keen perception. And he says that the Arkansas image

0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:55.160
<v Speaker 1>is associated with violence, ignorance, shiftlessness, laziness, with generous doses

0:04:55.160 --> 0:05:02.120
<v Speaker 1>of racism, moonshining, clannishness, barefootedness, floppy hat in general cussedness.

0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:09.920
<v Speaker 1>But in the positive column, our Canstans are known as independent, resourceful, nonconformists,

0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:15.839
<v Speaker 1>close to nature, unpretentious, generous, and non materialistic. There are

0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:19.280
<v Speaker 1>two sides to every story, and if I know one thing,

0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:24.320
<v Speaker 1>it's this. Things are usually more complex than they seem.

0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:27.680
<v Speaker 1>So I suggest that if you're not from here, you

0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:32.600
<v Speaker 1>just listen and learn. This place is full of squirrel dogs, fortune,

0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:38.080
<v Speaker 1>five hundred companies, banjo pickers, world class American art, a president,

0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:41.240
<v Speaker 1>and some fine mules. By the time we get to

0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:44.560
<v Speaker 1>the end of this, you might be wishing you were barefoot,

0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:48.159
<v Speaker 1>grinning ear to ear, eating at fancy restaurants, and living

0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:51.320
<v Speaker 1>the high life in Arkansas like me and Brent Reeves.

0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:57.440
<v Speaker 1>On the last episode, we establish that prior to the

0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:01.320
<v Speaker 1>Civil War, the newly formed state of Arkansas was branded

0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:05.640
<v Speaker 1>to America as the Bear State, fueled by a firebrand

0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:10.479
<v Speaker 1>comedic genre of writing that featured bear hunting called Southwest Humor.

0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:16.120
<v Speaker 1>It portrayed eccentric Southern characters speaking in dialect and outlandish

0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:20.840
<v Speaker 1>tales from what Jim Dog called the creation State Arkansas.

0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:24.400
<v Speaker 1>The short story The Big Bear of Arkansas was published

0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:27.880
<v Speaker 1>in New York City and had a virality that pushed

0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:31.120
<v Speaker 1>everybody and their brother to start writing and even painting

0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:34.960
<v Speaker 1>about Arkansas bear hunting, and this place was truly a

0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:38.360
<v Speaker 1>haven for bear hunters. On our Death of a Bear

0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:41.240
<v Speaker 1>Hunter episode, a man named Erskine was killed in the

0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:45.080
<v Speaker 1>early eighteen forties by bear being made by dogs, and

0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:48.440
<v Speaker 1>Native Americans buried his body in a shallow grave roughly

0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:52.520
<v Speaker 1>twenty five miles from my house in Independence County, Arkansas.

0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:56.039
<v Speaker 1>There is a community called oil Trough, where market hunters

0:06:56.160 --> 0:07:00.440
<v Speaker 1>established a commercial bear rendering facility that shipped bear oil

0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:03.640
<v Speaker 1>and hollow logs down the White River to the Mississippi

0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:06.039
<v Speaker 1>and then to New Orleans to be burned in street

0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:09.520
<v Speaker 1>lights and used by those Cajun chefs who preferred bear

0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:13.200
<v Speaker 1>grease over other oils. It's recorded that nine hundred and

0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:16.440
<v Speaker 1>thirty six bear skins and a considerable amount of bear

0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:19.200
<v Speaker 1>oil were shipped in eighteen o six by a single

0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:23.920
<v Speaker 1>company in the Rivertown, Arkansas Post. A traveling rider once

0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:26.880
<v Speaker 1>described a bear hunter he saw in Hot Springs, Arkansas,

0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:29.800
<v Speaker 1>in eighteen thirty four. He said the man was a

0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:34.200
<v Speaker 1>singular fellow who shunned society, was dressed altogether in skins

0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:37.560
<v Speaker 1>of animals he killed, and seemed never to have washed.

0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:40.360
<v Speaker 1>He lived in the woods miles from the springs, and

0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:43.680
<v Speaker 1>only visited when he had bear and deer skins to sell.

0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:47.480
<v Speaker 1>This writer met another hunter near the Catto River. He

0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:51.040
<v Speaker 1>said he was a genuine hunter, dressed in leather prepared

0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:54.160
<v Speaker 1>by himself from the skins of animals he'd killed. He

0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:56.440
<v Speaker 1>was going with his rifle on his shoulder and his

0:07:56.560 --> 0:08:00.400
<v Speaker 1>dogs some twenty miles off to hunt bears. The man,

0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:04.160
<v Speaker 1>although between thirty and forty years old, had never been

0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:07.360
<v Speaker 1>out of his neighborhood and had no idea of the

0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:12.040
<v Speaker 1>world beyond his own pursuits. This was the Arkansas that

0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:16.640
<v Speaker 1>people wanted to talk about. But this backwoods romantic image

0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:20.000
<v Speaker 1>of bear hunters would be the bright spot compared to

0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:23.360
<v Speaker 1>what was about to come. Over the next two hundred years,

0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:26.840
<v Speaker 1>Arkansas would become the most maligned and made fun of

0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:31.120
<v Speaker 1>place in America. But why there were lots of places

0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:36.920
<v Speaker 1>with poverty and hunting, Why Arkansas. Doctor Brooks Blevins wrote

0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:41.200
<v Speaker 1>a book in two thousand and seven titled Arkansas Arkansas,

0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:45.000
<v Speaker 1>How Bear Hunters, Hillbillies, and good old Boys defined the State.

0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:49.080
<v Speaker 1>It's an incredible book. In the title, the first Arkansas

0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:51.559
<v Speaker 1>has spelled correctly, but the second is spelled with a

0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:54.200
<v Speaker 1>W at the end, the way the bear hunter gym

0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:58.120
<v Speaker 1>dogget spelled at. In eighteen forty one, doctor Blevins makes

0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:01.280
<v Speaker 1>a case that there are two arc and saws, which

0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:03.640
<v Speaker 1>I think by the end of this you'll agree with.

0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:08.800
<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about identity. Here's doctor Blevins. You're right, we

0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:14.880
<v Speaker 1>don't allow anything to go unlabeled or unbranded, and we

0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:19.760
<v Speaker 1>have a little shorthand ways of characterizing everybody and everything,

0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:23.199
<v Speaker 1>and states were no different. You know, you think about it.

0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:27.240
<v Speaker 1>Every state went through its frontier stage, and every state

0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:31.040
<v Speaker 1>had these trappers and hunters and things like that at

0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:35.640
<v Speaker 1>one stage in their development. But most states eventually get

0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:38.600
<v Speaker 1>to sleught that off and go on about their business

0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:42.960
<v Speaker 1>and modernize. But Arkansas because of the timing when it

0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:45.200
<v Speaker 1>becomes a state right there and the kind of the

0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:48.160
<v Speaker 1>heart of the Southwestern humor era when people were writing

0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:50.920
<v Speaker 1>all these stories, because Arkansas in many ways and in

0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:54.800
<v Speaker 1>many places still was kind of a frontier. When it

0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:58.880
<v Speaker 1>becomes a state, it gets branded at that moment, and

0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:03.280
<v Speaker 1>that brand really sticks with it for years and years

0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:07.280
<v Speaker 1>to come. Doctor Blevins makes a strong case that the

0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:11.320
<v Speaker 1>frontier image of Arkansas never really gets replaced, even though

0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:15.240
<v Speaker 1>all states had a frontier period. But perhaps we've gotten

0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:18.280
<v Speaker 1>ahead of ourselves. I think we need to go even

0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:22.240
<v Speaker 1>further back to understand Arkansas's origins. We're gonna have to

0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:25.679
<v Speaker 1>go way back. This is doctor Jeanie Wayne of the

0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:30.680
<v Speaker 1>University of Arkansas. What does the name Arkansas mean? Well,

0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:35.600
<v Speaker 1>it's It was the name that the group of Illinois

0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:40.600
<v Speaker 1>Indians who were accompanying the Marquette and Joliette trek down

0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:45.120
<v Speaker 1>the Mississippi River in the seventeenth century gave to the

0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:48.880
<v Speaker 1>Indians that we know of as the Quapaw, but the

0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:52.520
<v Speaker 1>way they pronounced it was something like Arkansas, and the

0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:55.440
<v Speaker 1>French pronunciation, Oh really, so they were trying to say

0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:59.240
<v Speaker 1>Qua Paul they were called. The Illinois were calling them

0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:03.960
<v Speaker 1>what they believed their name to be. The French interpreted

0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:09.000
<v Speaker 1>it as Arkansas of something like Kansa, and it became

0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:13.120
<v Speaker 1>it was ultimately corrupted to Arkansas. What about I've heard

0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:17.760
<v Speaker 1>Arkansas means land of the downstream people. That's the downstream people. Okay,

0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:22.520
<v Speaker 1>that was the word that meant land of the people downstream,

0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:25.680
<v Speaker 1>which was downstream on the Mississippi from Illinois, and the

0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:29.360
<v Speaker 1>Illinois Indians considered then the downstream people because they were

0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:34.400
<v Speaker 1>part of their their people at some point land of

0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:39.080
<v Speaker 1>the downstream people. Even our naming by the Native Americans

0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:42.920
<v Speaker 1>is suddenly dismissive. Our name is in relationship to an

0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:46.760
<v Speaker 1>unnamed place upstream. We don't even get our own landmark.

0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:50.080
<v Speaker 1>Or maybe I'm reading into this and it's just my

0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:54.959
<v Speaker 1>Arkansas persecution complex talking. It's hard to know because this

0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:58.040
<v Speaker 1>is the only people the Nucambs have had out into

0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:01.480
<v Speaker 1>the known world since the early thirties when we arrived

0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:04.960
<v Speaker 1>in the Washetaw Mountains of Montgomery County near the community

0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:09.000
<v Speaker 1>of Bumblebee, Arkansas. And we all know that Bumblebee wings

0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:11.920
<v Speaker 1>are too small for them to fly, but despite the

0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:16.320
<v Speaker 1>negative press, they've made quite the name for themselves. So

0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:21.960
<v Speaker 1>his Arkansas. It's believed Arkansas was first inhabited by Paleo

0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:26.680
<v Speaker 1>Indians ten to twelve thousand years ago. In fifteen forty one,

0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:30.040
<v Speaker 1>the Spaniard Hernando de Soto was the first European to

0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:33.360
<v Speaker 1>set foot here, and not surprisingly, the old codre was

0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:36.440
<v Speaker 1>looking for gold. He didn't find any, but he found

0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:41.920
<v Speaker 1>substantial agrarian villages of numerous native tribes in Arkansas. He

0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:46.120
<v Speaker 1>walked into a thriving civilization of what anthropologists called the

0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:51.600
<v Speaker 1>Mississippian culture. De Soto declared himself the son of the Sun.

0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:54.640
<v Speaker 1>He wreaked havoc on the tribes for the year he

0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:57.440
<v Speaker 1>was here Before he died of fever. His body was

0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:00.319
<v Speaker 1>wrapped in a blanket, weighted with sand and sunk in

0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:03.200
<v Speaker 1>the Mississippi River. It would be over one hundred and

0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:07.080
<v Speaker 1>forty years before another European dude would come here. In

0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:10.520
<v Speaker 1>sixteen eighty two, a French guy named LaSalle found the

0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:16.040
<v Speaker 1>majority of the villages De Soto reported completely gone, nothing

0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:20.480
<v Speaker 1>but ruins. It's an incredible mystery, but it's believed De

0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Soto and his six hundred men carried smallpox, plague, yellow fever, tuberculosis,

0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:31.040
<v Speaker 1>to flu typhus, and measles to the tribes, nearly wiping

0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:35.959
<v Speaker 1>them out. And tree ring analysis of that time shows

0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:39.880
<v Speaker 1>an incredibly severe one hundred year drought that hit the

0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:45.040
<v Speaker 1>tribes with a double wammy of crisis. Whatever happened, most

0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:48.439
<v Speaker 1>of them were gone. LaSalle ends up in a small

0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:52.319
<v Speaker 1>village of friendly Quawpaus and in sixteen eighty two makes

0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:56.719
<v Speaker 1>the first European settlement here called Arkansas Post, just up

0:13:56.720 --> 0:14:00.400
<v Speaker 1>the Mississippi River, on the White River. Why is this

0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:07.719
<v Speaker 1>important to the Arkansas image? We're about to learn the

0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:11.760
<v Speaker 1>French presence in Arkansas was very light, and the French

0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:15.600
<v Speaker 1>hunters became dependent in their own way upon the Quapa

0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:21.600
<v Speaker 1>for military alliance for agricultural goods, and they engaged in trade.

0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:26.400
<v Speaker 1>They engaged in a kind of cultural blending. So yes,

0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:33.480
<v Speaker 1>they intermarried. They intermarried. They again, the military alliances intermarried

0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:37.080
<v Speaker 1>trade and there was a descriptive pray or word used

0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:41.080
<v Speaker 1>to describe Matisse. Yeah, so the French and the Quapaw

0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:47.440
<v Speaker 1>and they're them intermarrying the Matisse. It's unusual for us

0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:50.000
<v Speaker 1>to imagine this, but there were times early on when

0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:54.080
<v Speaker 1>the tribes accepted Europeans, helped them, and they even lived together.

0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:58.360
<v Speaker 1>At Arkansas Post the cultural lines blurred in the extreme

0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:02.160
<v Speaker 1>isolation form in what they called the Matisse. That's a

0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:05.480
<v Speaker 1>French word which means mixed and in this case a

0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:09.160
<v Speaker 1>unique blend of the French and Quapole. Do you remember

0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:12.600
<v Speaker 1>how I said the Big Bar of Arkansas, Jim Dogget's

0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:16.680
<v Speaker 1>philosophical doctrines sounded non European to me. Well, this is

0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:20.280
<v Speaker 1>probably why some of the European backwoods cultures had one

0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:24.040
<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty years of deep Native American influence in

0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:28.000
<v Speaker 1>the seventeen hundreds. However, this would backfire on the image

0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:31.440
<v Speaker 1>of Arkansas, as Native Americans began to get a worse

0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:35.760
<v Speaker 1>and worse rap in the colonies. A Frenchman named Francois

0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:39.880
<v Speaker 1>wrote of the people at Arkansas Post quote, they passed

0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:45.240
<v Speaker 1>their time playing games, dancing, drinking, or doing nothing similar

0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:48.680
<v Speaker 1>in this as other things to the Savage peoples with

0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:52.080
<v Speaker 1>whom they passed the greater part of their lives. A

0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:55.440
<v Speaker 1>guy in Louisiana wrote about these people in Arkansas Post,

0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:58.600
<v Speaker 1>and he said, these men consist of scum of all

0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:02.240
<v Speaker 1>kinds of nationals who have become stuck here through their

0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:06.760
<v Speaker 1>fondness of idleness and independence. Hardly do they know they

0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:11.200
<v Speaker 1>are Christians. They excel in all vices and their kind

0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:14.400
<v Speaker 1>of life as a real scandal. End of quote. And

0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:18.200
<v Speaker 1>not to belabor the point, but Louisiana and Morris Arnold

0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:22.920
<v Speaker 1>accused the hunters of Arkansas at this time of being murderers, rapists,

0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:27.560
<v Speaker 1>and fugitives from justice, and as lazy, shiftless, given to

0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:33.000
<v Speaker 1>excess drinking and laburtonage, and irredeemably lawless and a moral

0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:36.840
<v Speaker 1>that gum that stings a little, but it might have

0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:41.200
<v Speaker 1>been true. This was the beginning of the Arkansas image,

0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:46.200
<v Speaker 1>all the way back in the sixteen and early seventeen hundreds,

0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:50.240
<v Speaker 1>and things don't get better for Arkansas. Here's doctor Blevins.

0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:56.320
<v Speaker 1>You know, first impressions are very powerful. That first impression

0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:58.840
<v Speaker 1>can stick you with you for a long long time.

0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:01.960
<v Speaker 1>And in many ways that's what happens to Arkansas. Its

0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:05.320
<v Speaker 1>first impression on the national scene is of this kind

0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:11.000
<v Speaker 1>of backwoods bear hunting place that's semi civilized, probably a

0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:14.440
<v Speaker 1>little dangerous, and maybe, you know, not the funniest place

0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:17.600
<v Speaker 1>to visit. And when it gets branded with that, what

0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:20.600
<v Speaker 1>happens is for the rest of the nineteenth century and

0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:23.320
<v Speaker 1>into the twentieth century, there's just kind of this continual

0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:29.680
<v Speaker 1>piling on of imagery. The imagery just started piling on.

0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:34.280
<v Speaker 1>And to give a very short version of European immigration

0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:37.800
<v Speaker 1>into Arkansas, for one hundred years after the establishment of

0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:40.680
<v Speaker 1>the Arkansas Post in sixteen eighty three, there was very

0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:44.240
<v Speaker 1>little happening here until the late seventeen hundreds when the

0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:47.520
<v Speaker 1>number of market hunters increased, and they were here in

0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:52.240
<v Speaker 1>good number through the time when Arkansas achieved territorial status

0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:55.760
<v Speaker 1>in eighteen nineteen. That's when the numbers of people started

0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:59.439
<v Speaker 1>to increase. Just remember all that it's important. Trust me,

0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:02.520
<v Speaker 1>this is a but people in Arkansas have to carry

0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:05.639
<v Speaker 1>a lot of stuff, okay, and this is really important.

0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:12.200
<v Speaker 1>Arkansas had a unique geography that created isolation. The Indian

0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:15.720
<v Speaker 1>territory bordering Arkansas to the west created a border the

0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:18.720
<v Speaker 1>Mississippi River to the east, the giant swap of the

0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:22.480
<v Speaker 1>East Arkansas Delta and the challenges of the mountain regions

0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:27.560
<v Speaker 1>of Arkansas created this unique geographic isolation they called the

0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:31.960
<v Speaker 1>mill Pond effect. Arkansas was on the weights and nowhere,

0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:36.359
<v Speaker 1>and typically the people who settled here were impoverished, indebted,

0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:41.920
<v Speaker 1>running from something pretty wild. The opinions of people can

0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:45.679
<v Speaker 1>be influential, especially when they have the powerful pen of

0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:50.280
<v Speaker 1>identity scripting in their hand. A dude from Albany, New

0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:55.080
<v Speaker 1>York named Henry Rose Schoolcraft was one such writer. He

0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:58.280
<v Speaker 1>was a young grainhorn geologist that came to the ozarks

0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:02.040
<v Speaker 1>of Arkansas in eighteen eighteen looks at the possibility of mining.

0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:06.239
<v Speaker 1>Nobody remembers or cares about the minerals he found here

0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:09.080
<v Speaker 1>because he didn't find much. But my word, did he

0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:12.080
<v Speaker 1>ever brand the state. He was kind of a punk.

0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:21.040
<v Speaker 1>Here's doctor Blevins on Schoolcraft. He wasn't the first explorer

0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:24.200
<v Speaker 1>from outside of Arkansas to come through and write about

0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:27.120
<v Speaker 1>the place and publish it and for people to read about,

0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:30.359
<v Speaker 1>but his was probably the most notable. He comes through

0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:35.439
<v Speaker 1>in eighteen eighteen and eighteen nineteen, so well before the

0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:39.359
<v Speaker 1>state very sparsely settled. He spends almost all of his

0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:43.439
<v Speaker 1>time in the Ozarks and the northern third of the state.

0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:48.960
<v Speaker 1>And Schoolcraft is he's a New Yorker and he's college educated.

0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:53.560
<v Speaker 1>He's sort of a budding geologist. But he you know,

0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:58.480
<v Speaker 1>he writes this report of his travels through the Ozarks

0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:01.320
<v Speaker 1>and it's published just to come years after he does

0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:04.680
<v Speaker 1>this trip. He writes some very very negative things about

0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:07.040
<v Speaker 1>the people that he came into contact with. Not all

0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:09.280
<v Speaker 1>of the people, but for the most part, he's very

0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:15.040
<v Speaker 1>very negative. Well, probably most famously, Schoolcraft visits a family

0:20:15.200 --> 0:20:19.359
<v Speaker 1>by the name of Welles in northern Arkansas, probably you know,

0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:24.200
<v Speaker 1>somewhere in the mountain Home vicinity. And he has nothing

0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:27.000
<v Speaker 1>whatsoever good to say about the Wells family. I mean,

0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:31.679
<v Speaker 1>he really, he really hammers them pretty good. He calls

0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:36.119
<v Speaker 1>the children abundantly greasy and dirty. They're all dressed in buckskin.

0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:39.679
<v Speaker 1>And he says of the mother of the family and

0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:43.399
<v Speaker 1>the children they could quote only talk of bears hunting

0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:46.560
<v Speaker 1>and the like, the rude pursuits and the course enjoyments

0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:50.639
<v Speaker 1>of the hunter state where all they knew and for him,

0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:52.320
<v Speaker 1>you know that, I mean, there were no books in

0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:55.760
<v Speaker 1>the house. There was there was nothing that reminded anybody

0:20:55.760 --> 0:21:01.160
<v Speaker 1>of civilization there, and so he was completely repulsed by

0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:04.880
<v Speaker 1>the food, by what they were wearing, by what their

0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:07.360
<v Speaker 1>house looked like, by the fact that all they could

0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:09.919
<v Speaker 1>talk about was hunting. I mean that's what their life

0:21:10.040 --> 0:21:12.320
<v Speaker 1>revolved around. Yeah, I mean there were you know, there

0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:15.919
<v Speaker 1>were all kinds of hides stretched out on the house,

0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:19.680
<v Speaker 1>and you know, it was just their entire lives were

0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:24.440
<v Speaker 1>repulsive to him. I wish Schoolcraft would have just stayed

0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:27.240
<v Speaker 1>in his lane and wrote about rocks and mountain erogeney,

0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:31.000
<v Speaker 1>keeping the cultural anthropology to the people who know a

0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:34.919
<v Speaker 1>thing or two about human life. Dirty sap sucker. He

0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:41.560
<v Speaker 1>called Arkansans a wild, semi civilized race of backwoodsmen. As

0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:47.960
<v Speaker 1>judgy as Schoolcraft was, he made some interesting observations. He wrote, quote,

0:21:48.440 --> 0:21:52.760
<v Speaker 1>the hunter, although habitually lazy and holding in contempt the

0:21:52.840 --> 0:21:56.320
<v Speaker 1>pursuits of agriculture so far at least as is not

0:21:56.440 --> 0:22:00.600
<v Speaker 1>necessary to his own subsistence, is nevertheless a slave to

0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:04.159
<v Speaker 1>his dog, the only object around him to which he

0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:08.840
<v Speaker 1>appears really devoted to him. All days are equally unhallowed,

0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:11.000
<v Speaker 1>and the first and the last day of the week

0:22:11.040 --> 0:22:17.240
<v Speaker 1>finding him alike sunken unconcerned sloth and stupid ignorance. That

0:22:17.480 --> 0:22:21.119
<v Speaker 1>was a little harsh, bro And in deep human history,

0:22:21.520 --> 0:22:24.880
<v Speaker 1>hunter gatherers chose not to partake in large scale agriculture

0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:27.520
<v Speaker 1>because they hunted for food and they were saving their

0:22:27.600 --> 0:22:30.880
<v Speaker 1>energy for the hunt. Secondly, you got the dog thing

0:22:31.000 --> 0:22:34.280
<v Speaker 1>partially right, but it's not the only thing we're devoted to.

0:22:34.680 --> 0:22:37.440
<v Speaker 1>But goodness, a good hunting dog is hard to beat.

0:22:38.160 --> 0:22:43.160
<v Speaker 1>Another thing Schoolcraft noted as unusual was the violence, which

0:22:43.200 --> 0:22:47.199
<v Speaker 1>would become a big part of the Arkansas image. He wrote, quote,

0:22:47.720 --> 0:22:52.240
<v Speaker 1>without moral restraint, brought up in the uncontrolled indulgence of

0:22:52.280 --> 0:22:55.720
<v Speaker 1>every passion, and without regard of religion, the state of

0:22:55.800 --> 0:22:59.600
<v Speaker 1>society among the rising generation in this region is truly deplorable,

0:23:00.040 --> 0:23:04.160
<v Speaker 1>and their childish disputes boys frequently stabbed each other with knives,

0:23:04.520 --> 0:23:08.000
<v Speaker 1>two instances of which have occurred since our residence here.

0:23:08.600 --> 0:23:11.960
<v Speaker 1>No correction was administered in either case, and the act

0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:15.280
<v Speaker 1>being rather looked upon and is a promising trait of character.

0:23:15.920 --> 0:23:19.320
<v Speaker 1>End of quote. You guys know that my annoyance with

0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:22.520
<v Speaker 1>Schoolcraft is partly tongue in cheek. It sounds like he

0:23:22.600 --> 0:23:26.440
<v Speaker 1>witnessed some bad characters, but he wasn't the only one

0:23:26.480 --> 0:23:30.560
<v Speaker 1>who saw it. The Englishman Thomas Nuttall spent some time

0:23:30.600 --> 0:23:34.119
<v Speaker 1>in the Ozarks before statehood, and he said, quote, the

0:23:34.240 --> 0:23:37.840
<v Speaker 1>population in this territory is but too favorable to the

0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:42.120
<v Speaker 1>spread of ignorance and barbarism. The means of education are

0:23:42.240 --> 0:23:46.399
<v Speaker 1>at present nearly proscribed, and the rising generation are growing

0:23:46.480 --> 0:23:49.840
<v Speaker 1>up in mental darkness and have almost forgot that they

0:23:49.920 --> 0:23:55.040
<v Speaker 1>appertained to the civilized world. End of quote. What's interesting

0:23:55.240 --> 0:23:58.440
<v Speaker 1>is that not everybody was as hard on Arkansas as

0:23:58.480 --> 0:24:03.160
<v Speaker 1>these two city slicking punk elites. Our good buddy, Frederick

0:24:03.240 --> 0:24:06.640
<v Speaker 1>Gerstalker spent six years in America, and much of it

0:24:06.760 --> 0:24:10.840
<v Speaker 1>in the Creation State. His perception of Arkansas was vastly

0:24:10.880 --> 0:24:15.320
<v Speaker 1>different than Schoolcraft. He said, quote, I have traversed the

0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:18.679
<v Speaker 1>state in all directions and met with as honest and

0:24:18.880 --> 0:24:22.000
<v Speaker 1>upright people as are to be found in any part

0:24:22.040 --> 0:24:24.960
<v Speaker 1>of the Union. End of quote. He was here about

0:24:25.000 --> 0:24:28.359
<v Speaker 1>twenty years after Schoolcraft, so maybe some people of higher

0:24:28.440 --> 0:24:33.040
<v Speaker 1>character showed up, or Schoolcraft was looking for fault. When

0:24:33.160 --> 0:24:37.680
<v Speaker 1>leaving the state, Gerstalker said, quote, of all I had

0:24:37.720 --> 0:24:41.480
<v Speaker 1>seen in America, Arkansas was the one which pleased me

0:24:41.520 --> 0:24:44.679
<v Speaker 1>the most. I may perhaps never see it again, but

0:24:44.840 --> 0:24:47.920
<v Speaker 1>I shall never forget the happy days I passed there.

0:24:48.320 --> 0:24:51.240
<v Speaker 1>There were many a true heartbeats under a coarse frock

0:24:51.480 --> 0:24:56.520
<v Speaker 1>or a leather hunting shirt. Perhaps most famously, Washington Irving,

0:24:56.760 --> 0:25:01.960
<v Speaker 1>America's first well known author, passed through, and he wrote, quote,

0:25:02.280 --> 0:25:05.919
<v Speaker 1>the inhabitants have none of the eagerness for gain, the

0:25:06.040 --> 0:25:09.560
<v Speaker 1>rage for improvement which keep our people continually on the move.

0:25:10.080 --> 0:25:14.280
<v Speaker 1>He said, they quote resided in a contented state of poverty,

0:25:14.680 --> 0:25:18.240
<v Speaker 1>worked little, they danced a great deal, and the fiddle

0:25:18.400 --> 0:25:21.720
<v Speaker 1>was the joy of their heart. End of quote. As

0:25:21.720 --> 0:25:25.719
<v Speaker 1>he left Arkansas, he wrote quote, as we swept away

0:25:25.840 --> 0:25:28.960
<v Speaker 1>from the shore, I cast a wistful eye upon the

0:25:29.000 --> 0:25:31.959
<v Speaker 1>moss grown roofs, and the ancient elms and the village,

0:25:32.400 --> 0:25:37.159
<v Speaker 1>and prayed that the inhabitants might long retain their happy ignorance,

0:25:37.600 --> 0:25:41.240
<v Speaker 1>their absence of all enterprise and improvement, their respect of

0:25:41.280 --> 0:25:45.760
<v Speaker 1>the fiddle, and their contempt for the almighty dollar. End

0:25:45.800 --> 0:25:50.200
<v Speaker 1>of quote. Schoolcraft, not all and Irving were all here

0:25:50.320 --> 0:25:55.080
<v Speaker 1>during Arkansas's territorial period from eighteen nineteen to eighteen thirty six.

0:25:55.640 --> 0:25:58.440
<v Speaker 1>It's easy to see the direction this is all going,

0:25:59.040 --> 0:26:03.159
<v Speaker 1>but it's just getting started. Remember that inventory that you

0:26:03.200 --> 0:26:06.840
<v Speaker 1>took about Arkansas. You might be seeing the breadcrumbs of

0:26:06.880 --> 0:26:11.320
<v Speaker 1>your modern ideas about us leading you way back. And

0:26:11.400 --> 0:26:13.560
<v Speaker 1>I know that there's been a lot of information to

0:26:13.640 --> 0:26:17.359
<v Speaker 1>process here. But in Arkansas, our intellects have to work

0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:20.879
<v Speaker 1>double hard to overcome our ignorance. So we're used to

0:26:20.960 --> 0:26:26.000
<v Speaker 1>fast thinking sage calculations and doing this intellectual calculus on

0:26:26.040 --> 0:26:29.560
<v Speaker 1>the fly. If you need to pause and rewind, feel

0:26:29.600 --> 0:26:36.560
<v Speaker 1>free to. So back to our story how Arkansas became

0:26:36.600 --> 0:26:39.680
<v Speaker 1>the most belittled state in America. In eighteen thirty six,

0:26:39.760 --> 0:26:42.920
<v Speaker 1>we became a state, but we weren't ready. We only

0:26:42.920 --> 0:26:47.320
<v Speaker 1>had fifty two thousand people, no infrastructure, not much agriculture.

0:26:47.600 --> 0:26:52.119
<v Speaker 1>But something was a brewin here's doctor Blevins. And the

0:26:52.119 --> 0:26:55.080
<v Speaker 1>only reason it becomes a state so quickly is because

0:26:55.359 --> 0:27:00.639
<v Speaker 1>politicians in those days compromisers, tried to maintain peace in

0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:05.119
<v Speaker 1>the country by maintaining a balance between slave states and

0:27:05.240 --> 0:27:08.600
<v Speaker 1>free states in the US Senate, and Michigan was ready

0:27:08.640 --> 0:27:12.800
<v Speaker 1>to join the Union as a free state, and Arkansas

0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:16.280
<v Speaker 1>was the closest thing to a slave state that might

0:27:16.320 --> 0:27:19.240
<v Speaker 1>be ready for statehood in eighteen thirty six, so they

0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:21.919
<v Speaker 1>kind of crammed them together and push them through, and

0:27:22.240 --> 0:27:29.080
<v Speaker 1>so Arkansas prematurely really becomes a state. Arkansas prematurely becomes

0:27:29.119 --> 0:27:32.639
<v Speaker 1>a state. This is very important for our future. And

0:27:32.840 --> 0:27:36.840
<v Speaker 1>this was an interesting place socially. Arkansas was divided on

0:27:36.960 --> 0:27:40.280
<v Speaker 1>being a slave state, but politics and money went out.

0:27:40.800 --> 0:27:44.000
<v Speaker 1>The short version of a very complex story is that

0:27:44.040 --> 0:27:46.920
<v Speaker 1>the Delta had the farms, the money, the slaves, and

0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:50.280
<v Speaker 1>the political power and the highlands people of the Ozarks

0:27:50.280 --> 0:27:54.680
<v Speaker 1>and Washatas where the poverty stricken Hillbillies. That becomes synonymous

0:27:54.680 --> 0:27:58.720
<v Speaker 1>with the national image of Arkansas. And we'll get into it.

0:27:58.960 --> 0:28:02.800
<v Speaker 1>But the word hill didn't show up until the twentieth century.

0:28:03.119 --> 0:28:06.840
<v Speaker 1>It's a relatively new word, created as a derogatory slur

0:28:07.280 --> 0:28:10.760
<v Speaker 1>by people not from here. And I'm about out of

0:28:10.880 --> 0:28:14.360
<v Speaker 1>breath from all this talking. It ain't easy being from

0:28:14.480 --> 0:28:18.040
<v Speaker 1>Arkansas and having to know all this stuff. Here's doctor

0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Wayne telling us yet another reason we got the shaft

0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:25.600
<v Speaker 1>for coming in as a state prematurely. And it showcases

0:28:25.640 --> 0:28:31.040
<v Speaker 1>what Americans hate, poverty and financial woes. What are you

0:28:31.040 --> 0:28:33.600
<v Speaker 1>going to tax if they wanted to tax, what kind

0:28:33.640 --> 0:28:38.160
<v Speaker 1>of economy is there? Farming economy? The wealthiest people are

0:28:38.200 --> 0:28:41.760
<v Speaker 1>those planters growing up in Southeast Arkansas. And boy, those

0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:45.120
<v Speaker 1>guys could control the political lovers well enough to make

0:28:45.120 --> 0:28:48.480
<v Speaker 1>sure there were no taxes on them. So where's the commerce,

0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:51.280
<v Speaker 1>Where's how are you going to support yourself? Who's going

0:28:51.360 --> 0:28:53.200
<v Speaker 1>to write the check, who's going to pay the rent?

0:28:53.560 --> 0:28:56.840
<v Speaker 1>So we get in deep trouble right away. Both banks

0:28:56.880 --> 0:29:01.080
<v Speaker 1>go bankrupt. Arkansas is in debt at the beginning, but

0:29:01.120 --> 0:29:03.480
<v Speaker 1>then a couple of years after it's it's a state,

0:29:03.600 --> 0:29:07.160
<v Speaker 1>it's it's an impossible death. And that is really that's

0:29:07.200 --> 0:29:10.960
<v Speaker 1>not cleared up until the eighteen nineties. Eighteen ninety eight,

0:29:11.000 --> 0:29:14.800
<v Speaker 1>I believe this news was going out to America and

0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:19.920
<v Speaker 1>Arkansas was just kind of this like backwater place with

0:29:20.080 --> 0:29:24.240
<v Speaker 1>corrupt politicians and people in bad debt. You aren't gonna

0:29:24.360 --> 0:29:27.000
<v Speaker 1>how are you going to get anybody to invest in

0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:29.400
<v Speaker 1>Arkansas at this point in time. In the eighteen forties

0:29:29.400 --> 0:29:34.960
<v Speaker 1>and eighteen fifties, we came into statehood with nothing to tax.

0:29:35.240 --> 0:29:39.120
<v Speaker 1>We started banks and the banks immediately failed. And what

0:29:39.160 --> 0:29:41.480
<v Speaker 1>do you think that did for the people of Arkansas.

0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:45.440
<v Speaker 1>It was generations before some people ever put money back

0:29:45.440 --> 0:29:48.520
<v Speaker 1>in the bank, which added to the slow progress of

0:29:48.600 --> 0:29:53.560
<v Speaker 1>this place and doctor Blevin's book Arkansas, Arkansas, which I

0:29:53.680 --> 0:29:59.160
<v Speaker 1>now require as mandatory reading to be my friend. He wrote, quote,

0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:04.520
<v Speaker 1>Arkansas has provided an antithesis to a variety of American illusions,

0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:09.720
<v Speaker 1>the idea of American exceptionalism, the blind faith of progress,

0:30:10.040 --> 0:30:15.000
<v Speaker 1>America's starring role in some cosmic providential plan. In this

0:30:15.120 --> 0:30:20.320
<v Speaker 1>rendering of the Arkansas image, the arkansawyer becomes a nonconformist

0:30:20.320 --> 0:30:24.920
<v Speaker 1>who consciously or unconsciously rejects the tenets of an American

0:30:25.040 --> 0:30:30.680
<v Speaker 1>narrative of the puritan through progressive continuum, like ce Van

0:30:30.800 --> 0:30:34.840
<v Speaker 1>Woodward's post Civil War Southerners who learned to live for

0:30:35.000 --> 0:30:40.480
<v Speaker 1>long decades in quiet Unamerican poverty and learned the equally

0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:47.280
<v Speaker 1>Unamerican lesson of submission. End of quote. Did doctor Blevins

0:30:47.320 --> 0:30:51.800
<v Speaker 1>just say that Arkansas debunked the idea of American exceptionalism?

0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:55.520
<v Speaker 1>I think he did. But because doctor Blevins is one

0:30:55.560 --> 0:30:59.560
<v Speaker 1>of us, it's okay. The Arkansas image carries with it

0:30:59.600 --> 0:31:03.280
<v Speaker 1>a healthy dose of non conformity. But maybe that's not

0:31:03.360 --> 0:31:06.360
<v Speaker 1>all bad. This is one of my favorite quotes. A

0:31:06.400 --> 0:31:10.080
<v Speaker 1>twentieth century writer. What said quote died in the wool

0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:14.320
<v Speaker 1>Ozarkers are proudly primitive. Their isolation is a religion and

0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:19.880
<v Speaker 1>clannishness of virtue. They're the most backwards and deliberately unprogressive

0:31:20.000 --> 0:31:23.480
<v Speaker 1>region in the United States. End of quote. Now this

0:31:23.600 --> 0:31:26.680
<v Speaker 1>next one hurts a little. A writer named C. L.

0:31:27.040 --> 0:31:30.800
<v Speaker 1>Edson wrote, quote, A people willing to foot it one

0:31:30.840 --> 0:31:35.360
<v Speaker 1>hundred miles through month to get nowhere founded Arkansas and

0:31:35.440 --> 0:31:39.680
<v Speaker 1>achieve their aim. Arkansas has its own popular motto, and

0:31:39.760 --> 0:31:43.760
<v Speaker 1>it's this, I never seen nothing, I don't know nothing,

0:31:44.200 --> 0:31:48.160
<v Speaker 1>I got nothing, and I don't want nothing. The dirt

0:31:48.160 --> 0:31:51.880
<v Speaker 1>ball went on to write, few can read in Arkansas,

0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:55.840
<v Speaker 1>and those who can don't. Every old southern state has

0:31:55.920 --> 0:32:00.240
<v Speaker 1>produced a few scholars except Arkansas. No man of first

0:32:00.320 --> 0:32:04.560
<v Speaker 1>classed intellect was born in Arkansas, lived there, or even

0:32:04.720 --> 0:32:08.920
<v Speaker 1>passed through the state. End of quote. What a punk.

0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:13.320
<v Speaker 1>Those are some strong words, mister Edson, and me and

0:32:13.440 --> 0:32:17.120
<v Speaker 1>Brent Reeves will fight any of your living ken right

0:32:17.160 --> 0:32:20.440
<v Speaker 1>now if they've got the gall to show up down here.

0:32:21.480 --> 0:32:25.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm just kidding. We thrive off this stuff. We're used

0:32:25.360 --> 0:32:27.600
<v Speaker 1>to it. It's kind of what made us who we are.

0:32:28.480 --> 0:32:31.760
<v Speaker 1>And we're back to the drawing board and have yet

0:32:31.800 --> 0:32:36.520
<v Speaker 1>another layer of powerful branding. In the eighteen forties, the

0:32:36.640 --> 0:32:41.640
<v Speaker 1>widely popular story of the Arkansas Traveler came out. Here's

0:32:41.760 --> 0:32:45.400
<v Speaker 1>Doctor Blevins. A little bit later, you've got the birth

0:32:45.520 --> 0:32:50.600
<v Speaker 1>of the Arkansas Traveler. It's The Arkansas Traveler becomes a

0:32:51.320 --> 0:32:55.120
<v Speaker 1>popular play in the nineteenth century, where you have this

0:32:55.640 --> 0:33:01.280
<v Speaker 1>sort of sophisticated urbane traveler who ventures into somewhere in

0:33:01.280 --> 0:33:04.640
<v Speaker 1>the back country, you know, depending on who's telling the story. Anyway,

0:33:04.680 --> 0:33:06.920
<v Speaker 1>they venture into the back country and they encounter this

0:33:07.000 --> 0:33:10.400
<v Speaker 1>squatter at a log cabin and he's sitting there sawing

0:33:10.480 --> 0:33:12.760
<v Speaker 1>away on a fiddle, trying to play a song, and

0:33:12.760 --> 0:33:14.400
<v Speaker 1>he can't remember the rest of the song. And then

0:33:14.440 --> 0:33:17.680
<v Speaker 1>there's this humorous back and forth between the traveler and

0:33:17.720 --> 0:33:21.920
<v Speaker 1>the squatter such you know, gems as which way does

0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:25.120
<v Speaker 1>this road go in the squad and the squatter says, well,

0:33:25.160 --> 0:33:27.600
<v Speaker 1>I've been here twenty years and it ain't never went nowhere,

0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:30.800
<v Speaker 1>and you know that, why don't you patch up your roof?

0:33:30.880 --> 0:33:34.760
<v Speaker 1>And the squatter says, well, when it's raining, stu wet

0:33:34.800 --> 0:33:36.720
<v Speaker 1>to patch it up, and when it's dry, don't need

0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:40.400
<v Speaker 1>patching that, you know that kind of you know it's right,

0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:44.600
<v Speaker 1>These are I mean old old comedy bits that go

0:33:44.680 --> 0:33:47.200
<v Speaker 1>back you know how many who knows how many centuries,

0:33:47.520 --> 0:33:52.960
<v Speaker 1>but they're kind of plugged into this new fresh territory Arkansas.

0:33:52.960 --> 0:33:56.000
<v Speaker 1>So you get this Arkansas Traveler legend that turns into

0:33:56.040 --> 0:33:59.920
<v Speaker 1>a fiddle tune that becomes very popular, it turns into

0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:02.880
<v Speaker 1>that play, it turns into paintings that are that are

0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:06.240
<v Speaker 1>still you know, popular, and you see those are around today.

0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:09.040
<v Speaker 1>So you got a name of Arkansas's baseball team, but

0:34:09.280 --> 0:34:12.680
<v Speaker 1>right the Little Rocks baseball team, the Lers, the University

0:34:12.680 --> 0:34:16.640
<v Speaker 1>of Arkansas student newspaper, the Arkansas Traveler. Yeah, I mean

0:34:16.719 --> 0:34:20.440
<v Speaker 1>that that sticks, and I guess Arkansas may still do it.

0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:22.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure, but you know they used to hand out,

0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:26.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, these Arkansas Traveler Awards to people, you know,

0:34:26.680 --> 0:34:30.120
<v Speaker 1>and kind of you've become an honorary Arkansas Traveler if

0:34:30.120 --> 0:34:32.400
<v Speaker 1>you do something good for Arkansas or they want to

0:34:32.400 --> 0:34:35.360
<v Speaker 1>honor you for something. But you know, that's again age

0:34:35.400 --> 0:34:40.000
<v Speaker 1>old comedy stuff right there. But that sticks with the state.

0:34:40.040 --> 0:34:44.200
<v Speaker 1>And this is before the word hillbilly comes into popular usage,

0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:47.880
<v Speaker 1>which is only around the turn of the twentieth century

0:34:47.920 --> 0:34:50.920
<v Speaker 1>when when that comes in. But so Arkansas is already

0:34:51.080 --> 0:34:56.160
<v Speaker 1>strongly associated with what we would consider hillbilly culture come

0:34:56.200 --> 0:34:58.880
<v Speaker 1>the twentieth century. It's also around the turn of the

0:34:58.880 --> 0:35:03.280
<v Speaker 1>twentieth century when you start having these cheap joke books

0:35:03.520 --> 0:35:07.040
<v Speaker 1>that are published, and the most famous of all those

0:35:07.120 --> 0:35:09.920
<v Speaker 1>cheap joke books is on a Slow Train through Arkansas

0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:12.719
<v Speaker 1>and on the front, you know, you know, you got

0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:15.040
<v Speaker 1>this kind of book titled that, Yeah, there's there's an

0:35:15.040 --> 0:35:19.399
<v Speaker 1>old joke on a slow train through Arkansas. And the

0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:21.080
<v Speaker 1>thing about it is, if you if you actually get

0:35:21.080 --> 0:35:23.160
<v Speaker 1>the book and look at it, it's a very very

0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:27.279
<v Speaker 1>offensive book, but not necessarily the people from Arkansas. It's

0:35:27.440 --> 0:35:31.960
<v Speaker 1>it's racially and ethnically and religiously offensive. But the fact

0:35:32.320 --> 0:35:35.200
<v Speaker 1>that the guy who wrote it decided to call it

0:35:35.239 --> 0:35:37.800
<v Speaker 1>on a slow train through Arkansas and have the artwork

0:35:37.840 --> 0:35:41.000
<v Speaker 1>on the cover depict these kind of hillbilly characters in

0:35:41.120 --> 0:35:44.560
<v Speaker 1>Arkansas suggests that by the time the book comes out

0:35:44.600 --> 0:35:48.000
<v Speaker 1>in the early nine very early nineteen hundreds, Arkansas is

0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:51.440
<v Speaker 1>already shorthand for humorous. Yeah that was that was branded

0:35:51.480 --> 0:35:53.920
<v Speaker 1>in and this guy was jumping on the band. He's

0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:56.799
<v Speaker 1>taking advantage of whom any guy what a dirt ball?

0:35:57.160 --> 0:36:00.879
<v Speaker 1>Right Once upon a time in Arkansas, an old man

0:36:00.960 --> 0:36:03.320
<v Speaker 1>sat at its little cabin door. Anything with that a

0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:06.200
<v Speaker 1>tune that he'd liked to Hugh Johnny, tune that he

0:36:06.280 --> 0:36:11.120
<v Speaker 1>fleyed by. The Arkansas Travelers story has multiple potential sources,

0:36:11.440 --> 0:36:14.480
<v Speaker 1>but it started off simply as a story that branded

0:36:14.560 --> 0:36:18.680
<v Speaker 1>us big time. There's a famous painting fiddle tune. Arkansas

0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:21.520
<v Speaker 1>Traveler was the name of a national paper published out

0:36:21.520 --> 0:36:25.080
<v Speaker 1>of Arkansas with the national distribution of eighty five thousand

0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:27.960
<v Speaker 1>in eighteen eighty seven, and in nineteen thirty eight there

0:36:28.000 --> 0:36:31.040
<v Speaker 1>was a Hollywood movie that came out called The Arkansas Traveler.

0:36:31.480 --> 0:36:34.400
<v Speaker 1>It's the name of our only pro baseball team. And

0:36:34.480 --> 0:36:37.640
<v Speaker 1>the student paper at my alma mater of the University

0:36:37.640 --> 0:36:41.919
<v Speaker 1>of Arkansas, Go Hogs, is the Arkansas Traveler. And then

0:36:41.960 --> 0:36:48.200
<v Speaker 1>that dad gum joke book. Yeah, Arkansas from you know,

0:36:48.280 --> 0:36:51.080
<v Speaker 1>from those earliest days when it when he gets branded

0:36:51.120 --> 0:36:54.879
<v Speaker 1>as the Bear State, that becomes some version of that,

0:36:55.080 --> 0:36:59.600
<v Speaker 1>some version of the backwoods hillbilly state becomes its brand

0:36:59.640 --> 0:37:03.000
<v Speaker 1>become it's what everybody in the country knows about it

0:37:03.080 --> 0:37:05.160
<v Speaker 1>really for the rest of the century. You know, it

0:37:05.239 --> 0:37:08.680
<v Speaker 1>shows up in in Mark Twain's writing, you know, that

0:37:08.840 --> 0:37:13.160
<v Speaker 1>there's there are kind of these backwoods crazy characters from

0:37:13.280 --> 0:37:16.200
<v Speaker 1>Arkansas who shows up, and a lot of literature and

0:37:16.239 --> 0:37:20.840
<v Speaker 1>it's almost always Arkansas is it's this backward place that

0:37:20.960 --> 0:37:24.600
<v Speaker 1>never really modernizes like other places. It never gets beyond

0:37:24.680 --> 0:37:28.640
<v Speaker 1>it's it's frontier stage. And that really you know, continues

0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:33.920
<v Speaker 1>into the well into the twentieth century. Arkansas maintains its

0:37:33.960 --> 0:37:36.879
<v Speaker 1>place as kind of the the bud of a national joke.

0:37:37.320 --> 0:37:39.640
<v Speaker 1>Were there other states in the South that had that

0:37:39.800 --> 0:37:43.080
<v Speaker 1>quite like quite like Arkansas? If you're if you're from Arkansas,

0:37:43.360 --> 0:37:46.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's the old thank God for Mississippi line,

0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:50.040
<v Speaker 1>which which I've heard people say many many that usually

0:37:50.040 --> 0:37:53.960
<v Speaker 1>comes into play when you're looking at statistical rankings, because

0:37:54.000 --> 0:37:58.000
<v Speaker 1>if anybody's going to be below Arkansas, it's maybe Mississippi.

0:37:58.040 --> 0:38:01.560
<v Speaker 1>We're fighting for fiftieth place. And didn't they like reference

0:38:01.719 --> 0:38:06.239
<v Speaker 1>Arkansas as inside of those cartoons they are there? They

0:38:06.239 --> 0:38:09.080
<v Speaker 1>do that with other SATs. Yeah, well, the one I

0:38:09.120 --> 0:38:12.240
<v Speaker 1>think you're thinking of, it's it's a Warner Brothers cartoon

0:38:12.320 --> 0:38:15.960
<v Speaker 1>from nineteen fifty called Hillbilly Hare and it's bugs Bunny,

0:38:16.200 --> 0:38:20.160
<v Speaker 1>oh Ken Hillbilly Hare. I know they referenced the Ozarks.

0:38:20.520 --> 0:38:23.520
<v Speaker 1>But in that cartoon Hit Bugs, Bunny travels to the

0:38:23.560 --> 0:38:25.600
<v Speaker 1>Ozarks for some reason, you know, he pops up out

0:38:25.640 --> 0:38:28.080
<v Speaker 1>of the ground and he's in the Ozarks, vacation in

0:38:28.160 --> 0:38:33.280
<v Speaker 1>the Ozarks, so quiet, so peaceful, so far from hum

0:38:33.280 --> 0:38:37.520
<v Speaker 1>in danger, so huh. And he gets in the middle

0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:40.360
<v Speaker 1>of this feud between you know, two feud and families.

0:38:40.360 --> 0:38:43.920
<v Speaker 1>They're all bearded and barefoot and overalls, and they got

0:38:44.080 --> 0:38:46.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, shotguns with muzzles on them that are longer

0:38:46.760 --> 0:38:53.719
<v Speaker 1>than the people themselves. Who crew and just who might

0:38:53.880 --> 0:38:57.919
<v Speaker 1>you be? Might be Teddy Roosi belt but I eat

0:38:59.160 --> 0:39:02.640
<v Speaker 1>hey durn foh, what's our idea of time? Knox and

0:39:02.760 --> 0:39:09.520
<v Speaker 1>the rifle Barron just call me freck Ocean. You know,

0:39:09.560 --> 0:39:12.319
<v Speaker 1>it's very very it's funny, and it's stereotypical and all

0:39:12.360 --> 0:39:14.040
<v Speaker 1>that kind of stuff. Well, one of the things you

0:39:14.080 --> 0:39:18.080
<v Speaker 1>find is that by the twentieth century, Arkansas and the

0:39:18.080 --> 0:39:22.200
<v Speaker 1>Ozarks becomes kind of interchangeable in a lot of ways

0:39:22.200 --> 0:39:26.000
<v Speaker 1>in myth making and imagery for the nation. Even though

0:39:26.040 --> 0:39:28.719
<v Speaker 1>the Ozarks only makes up roughly a quarter of the

0:39:29.160 --> 0:39:32.800
<v Speaker 1>state of Arkansas, when it comes to the image of Arkansas,

0:39:32.840 --> 0:39:35.520
<v Speaker 1>in many ways, it's very much tied up with this

0:39:35.600 --> 0:39:41.880
<v Speaker 1>kind of Ozarks hillbilly image. Thank God for Mississippi. I

0:39:41.920 --> 0:39:45.080
<v Speaker 1>actually like Mississippi a lot. That's where Bear Grease, Hall

0:39:45.120 --> 0:39:50.000
<v Speaker 1>of Famer Hulk Callier lived, The Ozarks and Washatas. Arkansas's

0:39:50.080 --> 0:39:52.760
<v Speaker 1>mountainous regions make up about one third of our state,

0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:56.439
<v Speaker 1>but in the twentieth century, the national Arkansas image takes

0:39:56.440 --> 0:40:01.000
<v Speaker 1>a notable turn to depict the poor white highlanders and

0:40:01.200 --> 0:40:06.359
<v Speaker 1>leaves out African Americans, Delta farmers, and Native Americans still

0:40:06.400 --> 0:40:10.839
<v Speaker 1>in Arkansas, the trend was completely based on America's appetite

0:40:10.880 --> 0:40:14.880
<v Speaker 1>for entertainment and intrigue. For some reason, the poor white

0:40:14.960 --> 0:40:18.920
<v Speaker 1>mountain folk were what they wanted to talk about growing

0:40:19.000 --> 0:40:21.840
<v Speaker 1>up here. I didn't realize we were special until I

0:40:21.920 --> 0:40:25.400
<v Speaker 1>was older and started traveling. And without a doubt, I

0:40:25.440 --> 0:40:30.000
<v Speaker 1>am very defensive of Arkansas. Doctor Blevins says that defensiveness

0:40:30.160 --> 0:40:34.279
<v Speaker 1>is part of our cultural inheritance. Doctor Blevins brought up

0:40:34.400 --> 0:40:38.920
<v Speaker 1>Mark Twain's work. And here is doctor Bob Cochrane with

0:40:39.000 --> 0:40:43.319
<v Speaker 1>two major American novels with references to Arkansas. Do you

0:40:43.320 --> 0:40:46.680
<v Speaker 1>know what they are? Okay? One of them is Mark Twain,

0:40:46.880 --> 0:40:50.320
<v Speaker 1>which won't surprise you at all. But in Huckleberry Finn,

0:40:50.600 --> 0:40:53.400
<v Speaker 1>you remember the two fraudulent guys that go around putting

0:40:53.440 --> 0:40:56.560
<v Speaker 1>on the Royal nun such show. They know they're just

0:40:56.719 --> 0:41:00.719
<v Speaker 1>two bombs, but they try to take yokol. And there's

0:41:00.719 --> 0:41:04.279
<v Speaker 1>a place where Arkansas shows up in Huckleberry Fame. So

0:41:04.280 --> 0:41:07.839
<v Speaker 1>when he's putting up a placard advertising their hoochie Guccie show,

0:41:07.960 --> 0:41:09.959
<v Speaker 1>you know, and that's what it is. I mean, there's

0:41:09.960 --> 0:41:11.799
<v Speaker 1>no they have not the show. They're two guys they

0:41:11.800 --> 0:41:14.480
<v Speaker 1>don't have, you know. Then they couldn't do a burlesque

0:41:14.480 --> 0:41:16.840
<v Speaker 1>show if they wanted to. But they put up a

0:41:16.880 --> 0:41:19.320
<v Speaker 1>sign and whatever else. It says down at the bottom

0:41:19.400 --> 0:41:22.799
<v Speaker 1>they say women and children not admitted. And then the

0:41:22.880 --> 0:41:25.480
<v Speaker 1>guy turns the prince tends to the dukes. Is there?

0:41:25.600 --> 0:41:28.399
<v Speaker 1>He says, if that don't get them, that don't bring

0:41:28.440 --> 0:41:31.800
<v Speaker 1>them in. I don't know Arkansas. And so he's referring

0:41:31.800 --> 0:41:34.399
<v Speaker 1>to this specific line. You know that the suckers will

0:41:34.440 --> 0:41:37.160
<v Speaker 1>think there must be something, you know, risque in the

0:41:37.200 --> 0:41:39.800
<v Speaker 1>show just by that line, just by the no women

0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:42.480
<v Speaker 1>and children that admitted. So here's what I'm really saying.

0:41:42.600 --> 0:41:46.040
<v Speaker 1>Arkansas's reputation as a state this would have supported it.

0:41:46.239 --> 0:41:50.280
<v Speaker 1>And there's one even more famous. It's Moby Dick eighteen

0:41:50.400 --> 0:41:53.799
<v Speaker 1>fifty one. Moby Dick gets published. There's one mention and

0:41:53.920 --> 0:41:57.239
<v Speaker 1>one only in moby Dick. Yeah of Arkansas. And what

0:41:57.360 --> 0:42:01.480
<v Speaker 1>it does is make us look bad. That's no surprise

0:42:01.520 --> 0:42:04.480
<v Speaker 1>to you. They love doing that. And here's how he

0:42:04.520 --> 0:42:06.800
<v Speaker 1>did it. Here's how he did it. He it's in

0:42:07.000 --> 0:42:11.799
<v Speaker 1>one sentence. The phrase itself is uh like an Arkansas

0:42:11.920 --> 0:42:15.920
<v Speaker 1>duellist is the phrase where Arkansas comes in. And the

0:42:16.000 --> 0:42:20.120
<v Speaker 1>person who is described as being like an Arkansas duellist

0:42:20.400 --> 0:42:24.400
<v Speaker 1>is Captain Ahab, the monomaniac, you know. And it's he

0:42:24.480 --> 0:42:27.080
<v Speaker 1>is right under the bus, that under the bus, under

0:42:27.080 --> 0:42:30.120
<v Speaker 1>the whale in this case, because he is at that

0:42:30.280 --> 0:42:35.000
<v Speaker 1>moment lunging with a six inch knife at the whale.

0:42:35.320 --> 0:42:37.880
<v Speaker 1>This is when the harpoon gets wrapped around him and

0:42:37.920 --> 0:42:40.799
<v Speaker 1>he's carried down by the whale to his death. But

0:42:40.880 --> 0:42:44.560
<v Speaker 1>it's it's made very explicit. He's trying with a six

0:42:44.680 --> 0:42:46.960
<v Speaker 1>inch blade, I think is the word. He doesn't use

0:42:46.960 --> 0:42:50.080
<v Speaker 1>the word knife to reach the fathom deep heart of

0:42:50.120 --> 0:42:55.240
<v Speaker 1>the whale. That's that's exactly an idiotic thing to do.

0:42:54.520 --> 0:42:58.000
<v Speaker 1>Dumb thing to do, dumb and violent. So Arkansas was

0:42:58.080 --> 0:43:03.320
<v Speaker 1>portrayed as crazy, viol and stupid. Only one line, wow,

0:43:03.440 --> 0:43:06.319
<v Speaker 1>and Arkansas duelist and a duel in that time would

0:43:06.360 --> 0:43:09.560
<v Speaker 1>have been common language for a shootout, right, like you

0:43:09.600 --> 0:43:12.600
<v Speaker 1>would just would would have a conflict and we would

0:43:12.640 --> 0:43:15.200
<v Speaker 1>go have a duel in the street. Which there was

0:43:15.360 --> 0:43:18.600
<v Speaker 1>a legislator killed in the state capital of Arkansas. I

0:43:18.640 --> 0:43:21.520
<v Speaker 1>mean that's not terribly unusual. Poland the guy who wrote

0:43:21.520 --> 0:43:24.360
<v Speaker 1>the Peate Wetstone things, he killed somebody in a duel.

0:43:24.600 --> 0:43:29.600
<v Speaker 1>He killed Governor Pope's nephew. Governor John Pope's nephew insulted him.

0:43:29.800 --> 0:43:32.280
<v Speaker 1>They had to challenge him to a duel. They were

0:43:32.400 --> 0:43:36.120
<v Speaker 1>they were distressingly common duels in those days. They loved

0:43:36.160 --> 0:43:39.120
<v Speaker 1>to go to places where police jurisdiction was a little

0:43:39.120 --> 0:43:41.880
<v Speaker 1>bit in doubt, like islands in a river, is this

0:43:42.000 --> 0:43:44.680
<v Speaker 1>in this county? Here is this in this state? Right?

0:43:45.120 --> 0:43:48.320
<v Speaker 1>And so you know police jurisdiction would be a little

0:43:48.320 --> 0:43:51.000
<v Speaker 1>bit hazy maybe, yeah, I mean that was part of

0:43:51.040 --> 0:43:53.520
<v Speaker 1>the image of Arkansas. It was that these people were

0:43:53.520 --> 0:43:57.080
<v Speaker 1>having duels at the drop, you know, so and you

0:43:57.120 --> 0:44:01.239
<v Speaker 1>know they're all carrying booie knives around and yeah. In

0:44:01.400 --> 0:44:05.680
<v Speaker 1>eighteen thirty seven, State Representative Joseph Anthony was killed in

0:44:05.719 --> 0:44:08.440
<v Speaker 1>a knife fight by the Speaker of the House John

0:44:08.480 --> 0:44:12.319
<v Speaker 1>Wilson at the Arkansas State House and another pair of

0:44:12.440 --> 0:44:15.200
<v Speaker 1>legislators went to an island on the Mississippi River for

0:44:15.239 --> 0:44:18.239
<v Speaker 1>a pistol duel and one of them died. This was

0:44:18.280 --> 0:44:22.239
<v Speaker 1>a wild and violent place. We're gonna skip ahead in

0:44:22.400 --> 0:44:26.000
<v Speaker 1>time to some stuff from the twentieth century. The heyday

0:44:26.040 --> 0:44:29.120
<v Speaker 1>of the hillbilly in American media was in the nineteen

0:44:29.200 --> 0:44:33.719
<v Speaker 1>thirties and forties. There were movies, plays, songs, jokes, but

0:44:33.960 --> 0:44:37.640
<v Speaker 1>leading the charge on the national scene was radio. It

0:44:37.760 --> 0:44:41.080
<v Speaker 1>was huge and there were two men by the name

0:44:41.080 --> 0:44:46.360
<v Speaker 1>of Chester Locke and Norris Goth from my hometown of Mina, Arkansas.

0:44:46.800 --> 0:44:50.720
<v Speaker 1>They had a wildly popular national radio show called Lomon

0:44:50.800 --> 0:44:54.720
<v Speaker 1>Abner that ran nationally for twenty three years from nineteen

0:44:54.840 --> 0:45:00.799
<v Speaker 1>thirty one until nineteen fifty four. I better in my

0:45:00.920 --> 0:45:04.480
<v Speaker 1>life order run him out of town. Oh, he'll come

0:45:04.560 --> 0:45:08.399
<v Speaker 1>to a Shamshire granddam. Abner just ain't used to having

0:45:08.440 --> 0:45:10.640
<v Speaker 1>a lot of money and inch when they Shorter went

0:45:10.680 --> 0:45:13.279
<v Speaker 1>to his head, and he's going to kill somebody with

0:45:13.320 --> 0:45:17.400
<v Speaker 1>that cornhesion. Shets backing and back sheet and keeps punching

0:45:17.480 --> 0:45:20.480
<v Speaker 1>night children the back with his walking keen making him

0:45:20.480 --> 0:45:25.200
<v Speaker 1>go faster. Nineteen thirty three, Lom and Abner were receiving

0:45:25.440 --> 0:45:30.040
<v Speaker 1>fifteen thousand fan letters per week from people hoping to

0:45:30.160 --> 0:45:34.480
<v Speaker 1>connect with these two lovable characters. Their comedy show depicted

0:45:34.600 --> 0:45:38.600
<v Speaker 1>life in the mountains of Arkansas. They spoke of peculiar

0:45:38.640 --> 0:45:43.800
<v Speaker 1>neighbors and sticky situations, but overall it portrayed the Arkansawyers

0:45:44.000 --> 0:45:48.839
<v Speaker 1>as funny, quirky, but noble. In nineteen thirty seven, Lom

0:45:48.880 --> 0:45:53.320
<v Speaker 1>and Abner moved to Hollywood and starting seven movies. These

0:45:53.360 --> 0:45:56.520
<v Speaker 1>guys were a big part of Arkansas's He'll belly image

0:45:56.560 --> 0:45:59.839
<v Speaker 1>being exported to the country, but they didn't create it.

0:46:00.320 --> 0:46:03.160
<v Speaker 1>They just inherited it from the last two hundred and

0:46:03.160 --> 0:46:11.280
<v Speaker 1>fifty years. But America couldn't get enough of Arkansas. Moving forward,

0:46:11.440 --> 0:46:15.759
<v Speaker 1>here's Doctor Blevins on the state's Inferiority Complex and the

0:46:15.800 --> 0:46:20.440
<v Speaker 1>Ozark Mountain, the hillbilly themed theme park called dog Patch

0:46:20.560 --> 0:46:25.160
<v Speaker 1>USA that operated near Harrison, Arkansas from nineteen sixty eight

0:46:25.440 --> 0:46:29.440
<v Speaker 1>until nineteen ninety And No, you can't make this stuff up.

0:46:30.200 --> 0:46:33.759
<v Speaker 1>You know, when I wrote Arkansas Arkansas several years ago,

0:46:34.560 --> 0:46:38.480
<v Speaker 1>by far the funniest job I had in writing that

0:46:38.520 --> 0:46:42.960
<v Speaker 1>book was writing that little chapter on the state's inferiority complex,

0:46:43.320 --> 0:46:46.440
<v Speaker 1>because the funniest characters in the book to me were

0:46:46.719 --> 0:46:50.080
<v Speaker 1>the folks in Arkansas who got got their backs up.

0:46:50.360 --> 0:46:54.040
<v Speaker 1>You know so much about people making fun of them.

0:46:54.280 --> 0:46:57.600
<v Speaker 1>And I think from the very earliest days there has

0:46:57.680 --> 0:47:01.920
<v Speaker 1>been this sort of defensive ferriority complex that is just

0:47:02.160 --> 0:47:05.640
<v Speaker 1>it's almost part of your heritage, part of my heritage.

0:47:05.719 --> 0:47:08.280
<v Speaker 1>Is someone who grows up in Arkansas, you just expect

0:47:08.320 --> 0:47:11.040
<v Speaker 1>people are going to make fun of you. And so

0:47:11.080 --> 0:47:13.439
<v Speaker 1>many people and it was almost always people from Little Rock.

0:47:13.520 --> 0:47:15.280
<v Speaker 1>They were they were the ones who were most upset

0:47:15.320 --> 0:47:18.040
<v Speaker 1>about this because what they would do. It wasn't that

0:47:18.120 --> 0:47:21.120
<v Speaker 1>they were trying to defend everybody in Arkansas. They were

0:47:21.120 --> 0:47:23.359
<v Speaker 1>trying to defend themselves and if they had to throw

0:47:23.400 --> 0:47:25.160
<v Speaker 1>the rest of us under the bus to do it,

0:47:25.200 --> 0:47:28.720
<v Speaker 1>they would do that. When when they were talking about

0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:32.640
<v Speaker 1>founding dog Patch USA theme park in the late sixties,

0:47:33.040 --> 0:47:35.480
<v Speaker 1>there were, you know, people in Little Rock who were

0:47:35.719 --> 0:47:39.239
<v Speaker 1>upset about that. You know, their response wasn't, well, you

0:47:39.280 --> 0:47:42.960
<v Speaker 1>know where all of Arkansas is modern and we don't.

0:47:43.080 --> 0:47:46.120
<v Speaker 1>We're not like these people in dog Patch. And their

0:47:46.200 --> 0:47:48.920
<v Speaker 1>idea was, you folks in the Ozarks, don't be dragging

0:47:49.040 --> 0:47:54.360
<v Speaker 1>us into into this stuff. I remember my aunt Terry,

0:47:54.480 --> 0:47:57.120
<v Speaker 1>God bless her, taking us to the dog Patch theme

0:47:57.160 --> 0:48:00.000
<v Speaker 1>park in the late nineteen eighties. All I can remember

0:48:00.320 --> 0:48:03.480
<v Speaker 1>is the log ride in all the overalls. Man, it

0:48:03.600 --> 0:48:06.720
<v Speaker 1>was cool. I think that's where Brett Reeves was born.

0:48:07.440 --> 0:48:10.759
<v Speaker 1>Here's more from doctor Blevins. And one of the things

0:48:10.800 --> 0:48:13.239
<v Speaker 1>I did this was back in I think it was

0:48:13.280 --> 0:48:17.880
<v Speaker 1>back in two thousand and seven. I did these internet searches.

0:48:18.360 --> 0:48:20.800
<v Speaker 1>Not very scientific, but it's about as scientific as I

0:48:20.840 --> 0:48:23.200
<v Speaker 1>could get. I just because I remember thinking one day

0:48:23.400 --> 0:48:27.120
<v Speaker 1>I had almost finished the first draft of my book

0:48:27.239 --> 0:48:30.000
<v Speaker 1>Arkansas Arkansas, which is all about, you know, the image

0:48:30.040 --> 0:48:33.000
<v Speaker 1>of Arkansas, the hillbilly sort of image of Arkansas. And

0:48:33.040 --> 0:48:35.200
<v Speaker 1>I remember thinking, one day, what if I'm writing this

0:48:35.360 --> 0:48:37.960
<v Speaker 1>entire book at how the image of Arkansas came to

0:48:38.000 --> 0:48:40.240
<v Speaker 1>be and what impact it's had on people of Arkansas,

0:48:40.480 --> 0:48:43.280
<v Speaker 1>and nobody really cares. It's not even an issue anymore

0:48:43.640 --> 0:48:45.880
<v Speaker 1>in the twenty first century. What if it doesn't even matter?

0:48:46.120 --> 0:48:48.239
<v Speaker 1>And I'm the only one sitting around thinking about this.

0:48:48.480 --> 0:48:50.160
<v Speaker 1>And so I sat down one day and I started

0:48:50.160 --> 0:48:52.920
<v Speaker 1>doing these like Google searches where I would do exact

0:48:52.960 --> 0:48:57.680
<v Speaker 1>phrase searches and I'd do like Arkansas hillbillys in quotation marks,

0:48:58.040 --> 0:49:01.480
<v Speaker 1>and I would do hillbilly from Arkansas and quotation marks.

0:49:01.560 --> 0:49:03.799
<v Speaker 1>And then I would plug in the names of other

0:49:03.920 --> 0:49:06.839
<v Speaker 1>states and I would do Georgia, and I do Alabama,

0:49:06.880 --> 0:49:10.680
<v Speaker 1>and I do New Jersey or just just whatever, and

0:49:10.680 --> 0:49:13.640
<v Speaker 1>and and I remember being so relieved at the end

0:49:13.680 --> 0:49:15.680
<v Speaker 1>of that day because in that I would count like

0:49:15.719 --> 0:49:19.439
<v Speaker 1>the hits that each of these phrases God, and sure enough,

0:49:19.600 --> 0:49:23.759
<v Speaker 1>Arkansas was still the hillbilliesst state according to the Internet

0:49:24.440 --> 0:49:27.920
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and I remember, I remember, right, I

0:49:27.960 --> 0:49:30.840
<v Speaker 1>can remember that moment, sitting in my in my office

0:49:31.320 --> 0:49:34.440
<v Speaker 1>and just almost doing a dance because we're still the

0:49:34.520 --> 0:49:39.520
<v Speaker 1>hillbillyist state. And I mean even, you know, we're smoking

0:49:39.640 --> 0:49:43.600
<v Speaker 1>Kentucky and West Virginia and in this competition, and I

0:49:43.640 --> 0:49:46.040
<v Speaker 1>even broke it down like it did the math by

0:49:46.080 --> 0:49:49.520
<v Speaker 1>per capita, and you know, Arkansas just blew everybody away

0:49:49.840 --> 0:49:53.520
<v Speaker 1>in terms of its affiliation with the word hillbilly in

0:49:53.600 --> 0:49:57.200
<v Speaker 1>two thousand sets. So I mean even it survived even

0:49:57.239 --> 0:50:00.200
<v Speaker 1>into the twenty first century. You know, those rude Let's

0:50:00.239 --> 0:50:03.480
<v Speaker 1>go all the way back to those Bear state images

0:50:03.520 --> 0:50:06.919
<v Speaker 1>that we've talked about. I mean, that's how strong that

0:50:07.200 --> 0:50:11.400
<v Speaker 1>connection has been that even Walmart can't remove us from,

0:50:11.440 --> 0:50:14.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, the number one spot that even Crystal Bridges

0:50:14.320 --> 0:50:16.840
<v Speaker 1>Museum of American Art, you know, one of the great

0:50:17.000 --> 0:50:22.920
<v Speaker 1>art museums of the world. Now, in case you're wondering

0:50:23.000 --> 0:50:26.480
<v Speaker 1>why you could feel doctor Blevins and I grinning ear

0:50:26.560 --> 0:50:29.760
<v Speaker 1>to ear when he said Arkansas was the most hillbilly state.

0:50:30.320 --> 0:50:34.080
<v Speaker 1>Let me explain something. I'm very proud to be from

0:50:34.120 --> 0:50:38.239
<v Speaker 1>a small, humble place, and most of us are comfortable

0:50:38.320 --> 0:50:42.240
<v Speaker 1>in our identity. And I have deliberately chosen to focus

0:50:42.280 --> 0:50:45.200
<v Speaker 1>on the positives of our culture, because there are bad

0:50:45.239 --> 0:50:49.759
<v Speaker 1>things too, But I'm proud to be from Arkansas. In

0:50:49.920 --> 0:50:54.560
<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty four, in essay was published in American Mercury magazine,

0:50:54.880 --> 0:50:58.480
<v Speaker 1>written by an arkansawyer by the name of Eugene Newsome.

0:50:59.040 --> 0:51:02.880
<v Speaker 1>I think he had some good advice for us. He said, quote,

0:51:02.960 --> 0:51:06.120
<v Speaker 1>I say, breed up a race of razorbacks, as the

0:51:06.160 --> 0:51:09.359
<v Speaker 1>Texans are doing with their long horns. Fire the old

0:51:09.440 --> 0:51:12.759
<v Speaker 1>caplock muzzloader at the neighbors once a week, give the

0:51:12.880 --> 0:51:16.960
<v Speaker 1>inquiring stranger directions to possum trot and goose ankle, and

0:51:17.080 --> 0:51:19.759
<v Speaker 1>give him a sample of Uncle Rape's last run of

0:51:19.840 --> 0:51:23.600
<v Speaker 1>corn squeezings. If Arkansas is ever gonna amount to anything,

0:51:23.920 --> 0:51:27.880
<v Speaker 1>she's got to advertise the very characteristics she's been shushing

0:51:28.040 --> 0:51:31.239
<v Speaker 1>for a hundred years. What Arkansas needs to do is

0:51:31.280 --> 0:51:35.319
<v Speaker 1>not look, dress, talk and think like and be indistinguishable

0:51:35.400 --> 0:51:38.760
<v Speaker 1>from other states. She needs to uncurl her little finger

0:51:38.840 --> 0:51:43.120
<v Speaker 1>from the teacup and proclaim her known and recognize honoriness

0:51:43.160 --> 0:51:48.080
<v Speaker 1>to the wide world. End of quote. The Arkansas image

0:51:48.080 --> 0:51:51.719
<v Speaker 1>we've described as strong and deep. However, it's partly a

0:51:51.760 --> 0:51:57.320
<v Speaker 1>product of a voracious American media stereotyping people, exaggerating the truth,

0:51:57.600 --> 0:52:02.040
<v Speaker 1>and feeding people what sells. We're not all lazy, but

0:52:02.160 --> 0:52:05.799
<v Speaker 1>I do like to take naps, we wear shoes most

0:52:05.840 --> 0:52:08.040
<v Speaker 1>of the time. A lot of us do have cood

0:52:08.080 --> 0:52:11.320
<v Speaker 1>and squirrel dogs. That's just the truth. But we also

0:52:11.400 --> 0:52:15.240
<v Speaker 1>have four oh one k's health insurance, clean and tidy homes,

0:52:15.600 --> 0:52:20.160
<v Speaker 1>and like going to fancy restaurants. And we're appropriately impacted

0:52:20.160 --> 0:52:24.680
<v Speaker 1>by fine art and literature. Our governor, Sarah Huckabee Sanders,

0:52:24.719 --> 0:52:28.040
<v Speaker 1>our first female and youngest governor, just signed in one

0:52:28.040 --> 0:52:31.400
<v Speaker 1>of the most progressive education reform bills in the country.

0:52:31.800 --> 0:52:36.040
<v Speaker 1>This is happening place, brothers. Doctor Blevins just brought up

0:52:36.080 --> 0:52:39.680
<v Speaker 1>the Crystal Bridges Museum of American Art. I think we

0:52:39.719 --> 0:52:42.440
<v Speaker 1>should check it out and see if this place lines

0:52:42.600 --> 0:52:45.640
<v Speaker 1>up with the Arkansas you may have pictured in your

0:52:45.680 --> 0:52:52.640
<v Speaker 1>mind at the first of this podcast. I'm sorry. I'm

0:52:52.680 --> 0:52:56.640
<v Speaker 1>at the Crystal Bridges Museum in Bentonville, Arkansas. Tell me

0:52:56.719 --> 0:52:59.839
<v Speaker 1>who you are. My name is Mindy Pisa. I am

0:53:00.000 --> 0:53:02.560
<v Speaker 1>the curator of American Art, so I oversee the early

0:53:02.600 --> 0:53:05.600
<v Speaker 1>American collection here at Crystal Bridges. But I'm also the

0:53:05.600 --> 0:53:08.200
<v Speaker 1>director of Research and Fellowships, and we have a great

0:53:08.239 --> 0:53:12.360
<v Speaker 1>research program that also attracts scholars from not only across

0:53:12.400 --> 0:53:15.719
<v Speaker 1>the country but internationally to come to Crystal Bridges and

0:53:15.960 --> 0:53:20.000
<v Speaker 1>study art. Let me ask you this put this museum

0:53:20.120 --> 0:53:23.600
<v Speaker 1>into context for me. Pretend like I know nothing and

0:53:23.719 --> 0:53:27.399
<v Speaker 1>where some of the treasures of American art are at

0:53:27.440 --> 0:53:30.839
<v Speaker 1>across the country. And you don't have to be diplomatic,

0:53:31.239 --> 0:53:34.719
<v Speaker 1>But how good is the Crystal Bridges Museum on a

0:53:34.840 --> 0:53:38.520
<v Speaker 1>national scale for American art. It's in the top tier.

0:53:38.960 --> 0:53:43.319
<v Speaker 1>And I say that as of course someone that works here,

0:53:43.320 --> 0:53:46.240
<v Speaker 1>but also someone that I have my PhD in American

0:53:46.400 --> 0:53:49.440
<v Speaker 1>art history. I have been studying American art for a

0:53:49.440 --> 0:53:52.399
<v Speaker 1>long time. I've worked here for eight years for an

0:53:52.400 --> 0:53:55.759
<v Speaker 1>American art museum. Some of our comparatives might be the

0:53:55.800 --> 0:53:59.200
<v Speaker 1>Amon Carter Museum in Fort Worth, the Smithsonian American Art

0:53:59.320 --> 0:54:02.799
<v Speaker 1>Museum in Washington, tendc. Now they have had a long, long, long,

0:54:02.840 --> 0:54:07.480
<v Speaker 1>long history that we haven't had. But our collection is

0:54:07.640 --> 0:54:14.600
<v Speaker 1>recognizably competitive with other American art museums. Last year's seven

0:54:14.719 --> 0:54:19.240
<v Speaker 1>hundred thousand people visited Crystal Bridges. This is an incredible number.

0:54:19.840 --> 0:54:22.520
<v Speaker 1>But I want to let y'all into a little bit

0:54:22.520 --> 0:54:25.640
<v Speaker 1>of that high aluten big city drama. When all this

0:54:25.760 --> 0:54:29.120
<v Speaker 1>incredible art ended up in the Ozarks, some of those

0:54:29.160 --> 0:54:35.680
<v Speaker 1>fancy folks on the coast weren't that happy. So the

0:54:35.800 --> 0:54:39.800
<v Speaker 1>rumor in Arkansas when Crystal Bridges came into Arkansas eleven

0:54:39.880 --> 0:54:43.400
<v Speaker 1>years ago. We loved it, we loved the hype of

0:54:43.400 --> 0:54:47.719
<v Speaker 1>it was that the art community was a little upset

0:54:48.320 --> 0:54:51.920
<v Speaker 1>that some of this world class American art ended up

0:54:52.000 --> 0:54:55.800
<v Speaker 1>in the po dunk state. Of Arkansas, and we loved

0:54:55.800 --> 0:54:59.239
<v Speaker 1>it because Arkansans love when we're picked on just a

0:54:59.280 --> 0:55:03.040
<v Speaker 1>little bit, but we show the world that we're the

0:55:03.080 --> 0:55:07.120
<v Speaker 1>real deal. Is it true that some people were like

0:55:07.160 --> 0:55:10.960
<v Speaker 1>saying that stuff shouldn't be in this place? Of course

0:55:11.160 --> 0:55:15.319
<v Speaker 1>I would call them doubters, you know. So again, if

0:55:15.360 --> 0:55:21.439
<v Speaker 1>you think of the coasts as being elite art world locations,

0:55:21.560 --> 0:55:23.560
<v Speaker 1>they have long histories. Of course they have a lot

0:55:23.560 --> 0:55:27.200
<v Speaker 1>to be proud of. And they would say Arkansas, where

0:55:27.640 --> 0:55:32.279
<v Speaker 1>is Arkansas even located? Let me help if you don't

0:55:32.320 --> 0:55:36.279
<v Speaker 1>know where Arkansas is. We're almost in the center of

0:55:36.320 --> 0:55:39.480
<v Speaker 1>the country, which will learn as incredibly helpful if you're

0:55:39.520 --> 0:55:44.120
<v Speaker 1>planning to build a global retail empire. The world headquarters

0:55:44.120 --> 0:55:47.840
<v Speaker 1>of Walmart are in Bentonville, Arkansas. More on that in

0:55:47.880 --> 0:55:51.800
<v Speaker 1>a second. Mindy and I are standing within arm's reach

0:55:51.880 --> 0:55:56.240
<v Speaker 1>of a very famous landscape painting showing a spectacular scene

0:55:56.239 --> 0:55:59.799
<v Speaker 1>of green forested mountains. There are two men standing on

0:55:59.840 --> 0:56:04.840
<v Speaker 1>a bluffy crag overlooking a pristine valley. Landscape. Art seems

0:56:04.840 --> 0:56:08.640
<v Speaker 1>to be all about lighting, and this painting almost glows

0:56:08.800 --> 0:56:16.040
<v Speaker 1>with realism. But it didn't show up here without some drama. Okay,

0:56:16.040 --> 0:56:18.759
<v Speaker 1>So tell me about this one. So this painting is

0:56:18.840 --> 0:56:23.040
<v Speaker 1>by Asher B. Durand. It's called Kindred Spirits. This is

0:56:23.080 --> 0:56:28.320
<v Speaker 1>the painting really that prompted the public announcement of Crystal Bridges.

0:56:28.800 --> 0:56:32.520
<v Speaker 1>And I'll tell you why. So the painting had been

0:56:33.160 --> 0:56:36.880
<v Speaker 1>housed and owned by the New York Public Library forever.

0:56:37.480 --> 0:56:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Asher B. Durand was an important landscape painter early in

0:56:41.560 --> 0:56:45.160
<v Speaker 1>our history of American art. And the two figures that

0:56:45.160 --> 0:56:48.040
<v Speaker 1>are represented one as Thomas Cole. He's the guy with

0:56:48.080 --> 0:56:51.799
<v Speaker 1>the hat and the portfolio under his arm. He is

0:56:52.200 --> 0:56:58.880
<v Speaker 1>widely considered the father of American landscape painting, and American

0:56:58.920 --> 0:57:01.600
<v Speaker 1>painting really felt like it came into its own with

0:57:01.960 --> 0:57:07.040
<v Speaker 1>landscape because what we had land didn't have big buildings

0:57:07.200 --> 0:57:10.719
<v Speaker 1>or we had landscapes, we didn't have Greek ruins, you know,

0:57:10.840 --> 0:57:14.239
<v Speaker 1>all the things that would point to history in Europe

0:57:14.880 --> 0:57:17.640
<v Speaker 1>was not found in the United States. So this is

0:57:17.840 --> 0:57:22.160
<v Speaker 1>widely recognized as a hugely important painting for American art.

0:57:22.320 --> 0:57:25.560
<v Speaker 1>So people were upset that it came here. So New

0:57:25.640 --> 0:57:30.640
<v Speaker 1>York Public Library was deaccessioning some works. Now it's their fault,

0:57:30.680 --> 0:57:32.200
<v Speaker 1>it's not our fault. It's not as if we went

0:57:32.240 --> 0:57:34.680
<v Speaker 1>shopping off of their walls, so that means it was

0:57:34.760 --> 0:57:37.480
<v Speaker 1>for sale. It was for sale, and it went to

0:57:37.680 --> 0:57:41.560
<v Speaker 1>a silent bid through one of the big auction houses

0:57:41.560 --> 0:57:46.200
<v Speaker 1>in New York, and that this closed bid wasn't so closed.

0:57:46.360 --> 0:57:50.120
<v Speaker 1>And it very quickly leaked that Alice Walton had purchased

0:57:50.120 --> 0:57:53.400
<v Speaker 1>the painting, and everyone was up in arms, especially in

0:57:53.440 --> 0:57:55.880
<v Speaker 1>New York. Can you tell us how much it costs? No,

0:57:55.960 --> 0:58:02.640
<v Speaker 1>I can't because everything here is priceless, good answer and irreplaceable.

0:58:02.720 --> 0:58:06.640
<v Speaker 1>If I will so closed bid, Alice buys the painting.

0:58:06.840 --> 0:58:08.720
<v Speaker 1>People are up in arms because they think it's going

0:58:08.760 --> 0:58:11.840
<v Speaker 1>into a private collection in the quote middle of nowhere

0:58:12.000 --> 0:58:15.760
<v Speaker 1>in Arkansas, never to be seen again. Now, Alice was

0:58:15.840 --> 0:58:19.800
<v Speaker 1>just making her museum, building the collection, and as she

0:58:19.880 --> 0:58:23.000
<v Speaker 1>would say it, she didn't think anyone cared what she

0:58:23.160 --> 0:58:26.560
<v Speaker 1>was doing, just down in Arkansas, buying some art, making

0:58:26.600 --> 0:58:30.040
<v Speaker 1>a building, normal stuff for us, just normal stuff, you know,

0:58:30.200 --> 0:58:36.480
<v Speaker 1>wasn't very public. And when everything just exploded, it was like, Okay,

0:58:36.720 --> 0:58:43.080
<v Speaker 1>it's time. So she used the controversy around the acquisition

0:58:43.120 --> 0:58:46.920
<v Speaker 1>of this painting to announce her intentions for crystal bridges.

0:58:48.440 --> 0:58:52.720
<v Speaker 1>This kind of sounds familiar the humble billionaires of Arkansas

0:58:52.960 --> 0:58:55.680
<v Speaker 1>just minding their own business and people starting to get

0:58:55.680 --> 0:58:58.440
<v Speaker 1>cranky about it. It's not our fault if we have

0:58:58.560 --> 0:59:01.360
<v Speaker 1>good bear and duck Hutting's spots and have some of

0:59:01.360 --> 0:59:04.560
<v Speaker 1>the richest people in the world. Yeah, you just heard

0:59:04.600 --> 0:59:07.680
<v Speaker 1>the name Alice Walton. This is the daughter of the

0:59:07.720 --> 0:59:12.919
<v Speaker 1>founder of Walmart, Sam Walton, the true Arkansas hero. As

0:59:12.960 --> 0:59:16.360
<v Speaker 1>we walk away from the Kindred Spirits painting, we're heading

0:59:16.400 --> 0:59:20.440
<v Speaker 1>to the painting. I really came to see. It's spectacular.

0:59:22.080 --> 0:59:25.040
<v Speaker 1>Are there any pictures here? Oh, there's there. That's what

0:59:25.120 --> 0:59:28.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm actor right there. I just saw it. So I

0:59:28.600 --> 0:59:31.440
<v Speaker 1>have a copy of this painting hanging in my living rooms,

0:59:31.480 --> 0:59:34.640
<v Speaker 1>a certain like a color when I bought from you guys. Yeah,

0:59:34.800 --> 0:59:37.640
<v Speaker 1>years ago I ordered this and had it professionally framed

0:59:37.680 --> 0:59:40.840
<v Speaker 1>a little smaller than this. But tell me that what

0:59:41.000 --> 0:59:43.840
<v Speaker 1>this is and who who did it? Sure? So this

0:59:43.960 --> 0:59:48.680
<v Speaker 1>is Arthur Fitzwilliam Tate. It's called a Tate fix. So

0:59:48.720 --> 0:59:52.720
<v Speaker 1>it's bear hunting in early winter. It's a large painting

0:59:53.360 --> 0:59:56.600
<v Speaker 1>framed in a gold frame. We have a hunter in

0:59:56.720 --> 1:00:01.320
<v Speaker 1>buckskin really in a compromise sort of heated position, leaning

1:00:01.320 --> 1:00:05.480
<v Speaker 1>back on his arm with a big black bear claws

1:00:05.480 --> 1:00:10.880
<v Speaker 1>out ready to pounce on the hunter. This is an

1:00:10.880 --> 1:00:15.520
<v Speaker 1>incredible painting called a Hunter's Life a tight Fix. It's huge,

1:00:15.760 --> 1:00:19.400
<v Speaker 1>the lighting spectacular, and it shows a buckskin clad hunter

1:00:19.640 --> 1:00:22.680
<v Speaker 1>with a bowie knife drawn in a hand to call

1:00:22.880 --> 1:00:27.480
<v Speaker 1>brawl with Ursus Americanus. There's blood in the snow and

1:00:27.520 --> 1:00:30.480
<v Speaker 1>in the background his hunting partner is taking aim at

1:00:30.480 --> 1:00:33.080
<v Speaker 1>the bear, hoping to save his buddy's life. This was

1:00:33.200 --> 1:00:37.240
<v Speaker 1>painted in eighteen fifty six, and the scene is strikingly

1:00:37.400 --> 1:00:41.040
<v Speaker 1>similar to the one Frederick Gerstalker described in his book

1:00:41.080 --> 1:00:43.880
<v Speaker 1>Wild Sports in the Far West, which was published just

1:00:43.920 --> 1:00:47.560
<v Speaker 1>two years before at eighteen fifty four. It's strikingly similar.

1:00:47.880 --> 1:00:50.400
<v Speaker 1>We did a whole podcast on this story called Death

1:00:50.440 --> 1:00:52.800
<v Speaker 1>of a Bear Hunter. We already said it before, but

1:00:52.960 --> 1:00:56.080
<v Speaker 1>bear hunting was a hot pop culture topic in the

1:00:56.080 --> 1:01:00.720
<v Speaker 1>mid eighteen hundreds. Hunting is deep in the American identity,

1:01:01.040 --> 1:01:03.840
<v Speaker 1>and I'm very proud that this painting is front and

1:01:03.960 --> 1:01:08.200
<v Speaker 1>center at Crystal Bridges. Good job, Mindy and miss Alice.

1:01:09.240 --> 1:01:12.120
<v Speaker 1>I want to jump back to doctor Blevins. He has

1:01:12.160 --> 1:01:15.920
<v Speaker 1>an astute observation and wants to introduce us to a

1:01:16.080 --> 1:01:22.560
<v Speaker 1>unique Arkansan. You know, in In twenty eleven, Crystal Bridges

1:01:22.880 --> 1:01:26.320
<v Speaker 1>Museum opened up. I think they opened on eleven, eleven eleven.

1:01:26.400 --> 1:01:29.320
<v Speaker 1>That was their big thing. November eleven, twenty eleven, they

1:01:29.320 --> 1:01:33.240
<v Speaker 1>opened one of the great American art museums. I guess

1:01:33.240 --> 1:01:36.680
<v Speaker 1>it's probably the greatest in terms of a collection of

1:01:36.720 --> 1:01:40.439
<v Speaker 1>American art, American made art today. And I love the place.

1:01:40.480 --> 1:01:43.640
<v Speaker 1>I've been there several times. But what you saw was

1:01:44.040 --> 1:01:47.200
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden in the national media there there

1:01:47.200 --> 1:01:50.200
<v Speaker 1>started to be this kind of almost a rebranding of

1:01:50.320 --> 1:01:54.120
<v Speaker 1>Arkansas just because and of the ozark just because of

1:01:54.200 --> 1:01:57.800
<v Speaker 1>this one thing that happens, you know, this one big

1:01:57.840 --> 1:02:01.160
<v Speaker 1>important cultural institution. And it's just a year or two

1:02:01.280 --> 1:02:04.440
<v Speaker 1>later that I believe his name is Joe Wilson, Yes,

1:02:04.720 --> 1:02:11.040
<v Speaker 1>Joe Wilson founds the Squirrel cook Off World champions in Bentonville, Arkansas.

1:02:11.160 --> 1:02:14.640
<v Speaker 1>And it's almost as it's kind of the even things out.

1:02:14.680 --> 1:02:17.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, you get all of this kind

1:02:17.040 --> 1:02:21.520
<v Speaker 1>of progressive sided publicity because of Crystal Bridges, and it's

1:02:21.520 --> 1:02:24.920
<v Speaker 1>almost as if he realizes, hey, this is not what

1:02:24.960 --> 1:02:27.959
<v Speaker 1>we're about just yet. I mean, we're still We're still

1:02:27.960 --> 1:02:31.400
<v Speaker 1>in Arkansas. We're still in the Ozarks, and there are

1:02:31.400 --> 1:02:36.120
<v Speaker 1>still people who kill and eat squirrels, and so you

1:02:36.120 --> 1:02:38.960
<v Speaker 1>get the you get the squirrels Joe Wilson and the

1:02:38.960 --> 1:02:41.240
<v Speaker 1>World Champions Squirrel cook Off. Yeah, it's kind of It

1:02:41.280 --> 1:02:44.840
<v Speaker 1>brings restores kind of an equilibrium in a way, and

1:02:45.200 --> 1:02:50.040
<v Speaker 1>it reminds people that what Arkansas has been known for

1:02:50.480 --> 1:02:54.560
<v Speaker 1>all of these generations, long before there was a Walton

1:02:54.640 --> 1:02:58.000
<v Speaker 1>family in Bentonville, long before there was a Crystal Bridges.

1:02:59.360 --> 1:03:02.400
<v Speaker 1>Joe Willson is in his late forties. He's got a

1:03:02.440 --> 1:03:05.919
<v Speaker 1>big curled mustache, and he's often wearing a black cowboy hat.

1:03:06.560 --> 1:03:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Joe is a well respected man in Bentonville, but the

1:03:09.480 --> 1:03:12.400
<v Speaker 1>beat of his drummer is slightly different than many of

1:03:12.440 --> 1:03:16.600
<v Speaker 1>the urbane newcomers to this place. Walmart and the company

1:03:16.640 --> 1:03:19.680
<v Speaker 1>Tyson Foods, also found in Northwest Arkansas, which is the

1:03:19.760 --> 1:03:23.919
<v Speaker 1>largest meat producer in America, have truly brought the world here.

1:03:24.320 --> 1:03:27.920
<v Speaker 1>It's pretty incredible. I want y'all to meet my friend

1:03:28.400 --> 1:03:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Joe Wilson. We're overlooking downtown Bentonville, so interesting enough. The

1:03:35.040 --> 1:03:38.960
<v Speaker 1>lady right over here in this corner is where the

1:03:39.080 --> 1:03:44.760
<v Speaker 1>downtown people sit. Who I don't matter, you know, I'm

1:03:45.080 --> 1:03:48.760
<v Speaker 1>free will. So last week I met her in the

1:03:48.760 --> 1:03:52.960
<v Speaker 1>crosswalk and she asked when I was bringing the Squirrel

1:03:53.000 --> 1:03:56.480
<v Speaker 1>Cookoff back to downtown Bentonville. She wants to meet on that.

1:03:57.080 --> 1:04:00.600
<v Speaker 1>So the story of how we got to downtown Bentonville,

1:04:00.680 --> 1:04:03.959
<v Speaker 1>it's pretty simple. I was witnessing the change. I've seen

1:04:04.000 --> 1:04:07.400
<v Speaker 1>the change all around us, switching over from pickup trucks

1:04:07.560 --> 1:04:11.840
<v Speaker 1>to BMW's and Tesla's, and you know, I think there's

1:04:12.160 --> 1:04:16.520
<v Speaker 1>a stereotype of what Northwest Arkansas is Arkansas in general,

1:04:17.200 --> 1:04:20.040
<v Speaker 1>and it really dealt with people like me and you, Clay.

1:04:20.640 --> 1:04:22.960
<v Speaker 1>I think people come here thinking they're gonna see me

1:04:23.040 --> 1:04:27.200
<v Speaker 1>and you or guys that act and look like us,

1:04:27.640 --> 1:04:31.080
<v Speaker 1>and they're hard to find. You know, it's been something

1:04:31.120 --> 1:04:35.160
<v Speaker 1>that's slowly being erased. To find a chicken fried steak

1:04:35.480 --> 1:04:37.760
<v Speaker 1>in Bentonville is a hard thing to do, but you can.

1:04:38.400 --> 1:04:41.400
<v Speaker 1>You can find something pretty dang fancy, and there's nothing

1:04:41.480 --> 1:04:44.400
<v Speaker 1>wrong with that. I think my kids have a better

1:04:44.400 --> 1:04:49.600
<v Speaker 1>opportunity of knowing culture, knowing art, all of that. They

1:04:49.640 --> 1:04:52.960
<v Speaker 1>have less of an opportunity to see the stuff that

1:04:53.040 --> 1:04:55.600
<v Speaker 1>me and you've seen as kids, and that was knowing

1:04:55.680 --> 1:04:57.640
<v Speaker 1>what was going to stick you in the Woods right

1:04:57.880 --> 1:05:00.720
<v Speaker 1>knowing what was gonna make you itch how to cook

1:05:00.760 --> 1:05:03.760
<v Speaker 1>and clean a squirrel. Those things are kind of disappearing.

1:05:03.880 --> 1:05:06.960
<v Speaker 1>So I brought the Squirrel cook Off to downtown Bentonville

1:05:07.080 --> 1:05:10.080
<v Speaker 1>on the square right here to kind of rub it in,

1:05:10.600 --> 1:05:14.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, and to give people the opportunity to see

1:05:14.280 --> 1:05:17.480
<v Speaker 1>who we are. And you know, it wasn't just the

1:05:17.520 --> 1:05:21.920
<v Speaker 1>redneck guy. We had chefs coming out, We had teachers, doctors,

1:05:22.320 --> 1:05:25.960
<v Speaker 1>had people travel from all across the world to see

1:05:26.040 --> 1:05:28.800
<v Speaker 1>us cook squirrel and so what started off as me

1:05:28.920 --> 1:05:33.240
<v Speaker 1>kind of rubbing them, I think they really enjoyed one

1:05:33.320 --> 1:05:36.320
<v Speaker 1>Saturday out of the year to give us the opportunity

1:05:36.360 --> 1:05:43.040
<v Speaker 1>to showcase that traditional Ozark lifestyle. This man is a genius.

1:05:43.640 --> 1:05:47.280
<v Speaker 1>Joe Rogan ought to have Joe Wilson on his podcast

1:05:47.440 --> 1:05:50.680
<v Speaker 1>for Real. The World Championship Squirrel cook Off will be

1:05:50.720 --> 1:05:54.120
<v Speaker 1>in late September twenty twenty three, and I'm planning on

1:05:54.240 --> 1:05:57.880
<v Speaker 1>being there. The diversity of people this event brings in

1:05:58.160 --> 1:06:01.280
<v Speaker 1>is astounding. It'll blow your mind. A lot of what's

1:06:01.280 --> 1:06:05.040
<v Speaker 1>happening in Northwest Arkansas right now revolves around Walmart. And

1:06:05.200 --> 1:06:08.120
<v Speaker 1>say what you will about him, but the ozark Er,

1:06:08.240 --> 1:06:12.200
<v Speaker 1>Sam Walton simply gave America what it wanted. So don't

1:06:12.240 --> 1:06:15.720
<v Speaker 1>hate the player, hate the game. And around here, saving

1:06:15.800 --> 1:06:19.680
<v Speaker 1>money to live better sounds like a reasonable idea. And

1:06:20.080 --> 1:06:22.720
<v Speaker 1>I will let you in on a little secret. If

1:06:22.720 --> 1:06:25.040
<v Speaker 1>you want to go to the finest Walmart stores on

1:06:25.120 --> 1:06:28.120
<v Speaker 1>planet Earth, come to Northwest Arkansas. The closer you get

1:06:28.160 --> 1:06:32.160
<v Speaker 1>to the Home office, better they get. Here's Joe talking

1:06:32.200 --> 1:06:37.280
<v Speaker 1>about mister Sam. We're inside of the original Walton five

1:06:37.360 --> 1:06:40.760
<v Speaker 1>and dime store on the Bentonville Square. And I told

1:06:40.760 --> 1:06:43.200
<v Speaker 1>you that we were going to talk to mister Sam.

1:06:43.240 --> 1:06:48.720
<v Speaker 1>Stand by, Yes, so you're inside is Sam's first store.

1:06:48.760 --> 1:06:51.480
<v Speaker 1>But a lot of people don't know Sam Walton was

1:06:51.520 --> 1:06:54.960
<v Speaker 1>a hunter. Sam Quell hunted, pheasant hunted. The property where

1:06:54.960 --> 1:06:57.479
<v Speaker 1>Crystal Bridges was was a place that you know, coon

1:06:57.520 --> 1:07:01.160
<v Speaker 1>dogs ran through there. His truck that's inside the museum

1:07:01.320 --> 1:07:04.680
<v Speaker 1>has a dog box in the back. Sam Walton as

1:07:04.720 --> 1:07:06.520
<v Speaker 1>a hunter, I think that's what he wanted to be

1:07:06.640 --> 1:07:09.440
<v Speaker 1>known as because all the images you see, I mean

1:07:09.480 --> 1:07:11.800
<v Speaker 1>there was tons of images in here of him carrying

1:07:11.800 --> 1:07:15.120
<v Speaker 1>a rifle through the woods with brush fans on the

1:07:15.240 --> 1:07:18.480
<v Speaker 1>dog food. Old Roy named after one of his dogs.

1:07:18.760 --> 1:07:22.600
<v Speaker 1>So Lords West Arkansas has had a long, long history

1:07:22.640 --> 1:07:25.480
<v Speaker 1>of hunting, and Sam Walton's a huge part of it.

1:07:26.040 --> 1:07:29.000
<v Speaker 1>Sam Walton has a hunter. It's a big part. I

1:07:29.040 --> 1:07:31.200
<v Speaker 1>hope it's part of the museum when we build it back.

1:07:32.560 --> 1:07:35.640
<v Speaker 1>Mister Sam used to carry his muddy footed bird dogs

1:07:35.640 --> 1:07:38.200
<v Speaker 1>with him on his jet and often had a shotgun

1:07:38.240 --> 1:07:40.800
<v Speaker 1>in his truck when he went to work. They're currently

1:07:40.840 --> 1:07:45.160
<v Speaker 1>remodeling the Walmart Museum. It's a pretty neat place. Joe says,

1:07:45.240 --> 1:07:47.400
<v Speaker 1>he wants to take me down the street to meet

1:07:47.520 --> 1:07:51.880
<v Speaker 1>mister Sam. I'm not exactly sure what he means. We

1:07:52.040 --> 1:07:55.040
<v Speaker 1>walk a block down the street to the temporary location

1:07:55.040 --> 1:07:58.200
<v Speaker 1>of the Walmart Museum and he introduces me to a

1:07:58.280 --> 1:08:02.800
<v Speaker 1>kind lady named Lisa. I'm going to introduce you, do

1:08:02.880 --> 1:08:06.960
<v Speaker 1>my buddy. This is Clay Newcomb. Yeah, nice to meet you.

1:08:07.320 --> 1:08:13.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm Clay's got a national broadcasted podcast. And I just

1:08:13.400 --> 1:08:16.400
<v Speaker 1>walked into the old five and dime. And now he

1:08:16.479 --> 1:08:18.880
<v Speaker 1>had some questions. He was going to ask, mister Sam, here,

1:08:19.160 --> 1:08:22.280
<v Speaker 1>can you tell me what this is? This is? It's

1:08:22.320 --> 1:08:25.200
<v Speaker 1>a hologram with a little bit of it magic. This

1:08:25.280 --> 1:08:28.240
<v Speaker 1>is an actress portrayal of mister Sam. And then the

1:08:28.280 --> 1:08:32.639
<v Speaker 1>wonderful company that created this for us. They used facial

1:08:32.720 --> 1:08:36.400
<v Speaker 1>mapping to put mister Sam's face on the holiday. So

1:08:36.760 --> 1:08:38.920
<v Speaker 1>we're looking at a it's a it's a. It looks

1:08:38.920 --> 1:08:41.080
<v Speaker 1>like he's in like a little room and he's just

1:08:41.160 --> 1:08:44.439
<v Speaker 1>right here by us, and his face is moving a

1:08:44.479 --> 1:08:47.200
<v Speaker 1>little bit. It looks real, looks like a real man

1:08:47.360 --> 1:08:51.839
<v Speaker 1>standing it. This is a state of the art hologram machine.

1:08:52.280 --> 1:08:55.639
<v Speaker 1>It feels and looks like we're talking to a real man.

1:08:56.080 --> 1:08:59.840
<v Speaker 1>It's bizarre. Mister Sam died in nineteen ninety two, and

1:09:00.120 --> 1:09:03.439
<v Speaker 1>it's rare to find anybody here that didn't respect Sam

1:09:03.439 --> 1:09:07.240
<v Speaker 1>Walton as a kid. I vividly remember my grandfather lew

1:09:07.280 --> 1:09:10.640
<v Speaker 1>and Nucom from Bumblebee, Arkansas, who was a peer in

1:09:10.840 --> 1:09:14.679
<v Speaker 1>age and fellow Arkansas bird hundred to mister Sam speak

1:09:14.720 --> 1:09:19.400
<v Speaker 1>incredibly highly of Sam Walton and Billy Graham. He placed

1:09:19.439 --> 1:09:22.920
<v Speaker 1>these men at the same level. Lisa has a microphone

1:09:22.920 --> 1:09:25.599
<v Speaker 1>in her hand and she's about to ask mister Sam

1:09:25.600 --> 1:09:30.760
<v Speaker 1>a question. Do you think that mister Sam knows the

1:09:30.840 --> 1:09:34.639
<v Speaker 1>name of the nut that comes off of an oak tree?

1:09:34.000 --> 1:09:37.559
<v Speaker 1>I know he did in real life, but what do

1:09:37.600 --> 1:09:39.360
<v Speaker 1>you think he would call? Do you know what the

1:09:39.479 --> 1:09:41.200
<v Speaker 1>name of that nut is that comes off of an

1:09:41.200 --> 1:09:45.200
<v Speaker 1>oak tree? An acorn? I couldn't think of I'm seeing

1:09:45.200 --> 1:09:52.280
<v Speaker 1>I would I'm from northwest Arkansas. Okay, I think that

1:09:52.360 --> 1:09:56.200
<v Speaker 1>kind of fits into what you're after. Well, you're so,

1:09:56.840 --> 1:10:00.320
<v Speaker 1>there's two versions of the same thing on one would

1:10:00.320 --> 1:10:03.200
<v Speaker 1>be called an acorn, like you said, and the other

1:10:03.240 --> 1:10:06.120
<v Speaker 1>one would be called an akern. Do you know the difference?

1:10:06.600 --> 1:10:10.040
<v Speaker 1>See my memo would sell use an acorn? Okay, I'm

1:10:10.040 --> 1:10:14.280
<v Speaker 1>telling you your code switching on us. Listen, because all

1:10:14.320 --> 1:10:17.000
<v Speaker 1>this all this Walton money, your code switching on us,

1:10:17.040 --> 1:10:19.960
<v Speaker 1>pull it out of your Arkansas heritage calling it an acorn?

1:10:20.280 --> 1:10:24.920
<v Speaker 1>Are you ashamed of or absolutely not. I'm very proud

1:10:24.960 --> 1:10:27.439
<v Speaker 1>of my home. I'm very proud of my heritage. Um,

1:10:27.560 --> 1:10:30.000
<v Speaker 1>it's just that people look at you like you're crazed

1:10:30.520 --> 1:10:32.960
<v Speaker 1>if you say things like that, like ketty womp us fringet?

1:10:33.439 --> 1:10:36.080
<v Speaker 1>Have you ever heard the expression? Key? Doug, We dug

1:10:36.160 --> 1:10:38.040
<v Speaker 1>right into the interior and we found what we were

1:10:38.080 --> 1:10:41.840
<v Speaker 1>looking for. So does Sam know anything about Old Roy Steel? Yeah,

1:10:41.920 --> 1:10:45.080
<v Speaker 1>let's ask Yeah. Yeah, we'll see what he says. Okay,

1:10:45.280 --> 1:10:49.920
<v Speaker 1>mister Sam, can you tell us about Old Roy Roy

1:10:50.320 --> 1:10:56.160
<v Speaker 1>was a setter, probably the most overrated bird dog in history.

1:10:56.439 --> 1:10:59.360
<v Speaker 1>He was a merchant, a hunter at all. He would

1:10:59.360 --> 1:11:02.559
<v Speaker 1>point for having for his hand. But he was a

1:11:02.560 --> 1:11:05.600
<v Speaker 1>great tennis dog. He would go with me to the

1:11:05.600 --> 1:11:09.240
<v Speaker 1>tennis court and lay there, and whenever the ball went

1:11:09.320 --> 1:11:11.960
<v Speaker 1>out of the court or over the fenced or whatever,

1:11:12.600 --> 1:11:15.040
<v Speaker 1>he would go chasing after it and bring him back

1:11:15.080 --> 1:11:19.000
<v Speaker 1>to me. And the associates and the customers got a

1:11:19.200 --> 1:11:22.000
<v Speaker 1>kick out of visiting with him in the stores. And

1:11:22.160 --> 1:11:24.599
<v Speaker 1>once we put his name in picture on our private

1:11:24.680 --> 1:11:30.040
<v Speaker 1>label Bigra Fruit, he had sold tons one year alight

1:11:30.439 --> 1:11:34.719
<v Speaker 1>became the number two dog fruit the Nmmerica. And remember

1:11:35.400 --> 1:11:39.080
<v Speaker 1>we all may sell it in Walmart. That's so good.

1:11:41.040 --> 1:11:43.640
<v Speaker 1>Lew and Nucom loved to feed his bird dogs some

1:11:43.800 --> 1:11:47.080
<v Speaker 1>old roy dog food. But he wouldn't have tolerated a

1:11:47.160 --> 1:11:52.000
<v Speaker 1>bird dog pointing rabbits. That's another story. There is one thing,

1:11:52.040 --> 1:11:55.080
<v Speaker 1>though that we have not talked about that's leaving a

1:11:55.120 --> 1:11:59.880
<v Speaker 1>glaring hole in the modern history of Arkansas. Boy, this

1:12:00.120 --> 1:12:04.799
<v Speaker 1>some treacherous waters. Bill Clinton. I don't know a person

1:12:05.360 --> 1:12:10.759
<v Speaker 1>that probably would get behind Bill Clinton politically right, but

1:12:11.280 --> 1:12:14.479
<v Speaker 1>he's someone that I don't find a lot of people

1:12:14.520 --> 1:12:17.200
<v Speaker 1>wanting to talk bad about in the state of Arkansas. Yeah,

1:12:17.320 --> 1:12:19.599
<v Speaker 1>he was like our he was like our our one

1:12:19.640 --> 1:12:22.479
<v Speaker 1>guy that made it to that's right. Yeah, because people

1:12:22.520 --> 1:12:25.839
<v Speaker 1>are still pretty defensive of him, like they probably wouldn't

1:12:26.040 --> 1:12:28.639
<v Speaker 1>talk real bad. That's might have been my experience anyway. Yeah,

1:12:28.680 --> 1:12:31.000
<v Speaker 1>I think Bill Clinton's a good example of that. I mean,

1:12:31.000 --> 1:12:34.320
<v Speaker 1>he certainly the most famous person from Market. I guess

1:12:34.360 --> 1:12:36.160
<v Speaker 1>Johnny Cash would give him a pretty good run for

1:12:36.160 --> 1:12:39.200
<v Speaker 1>his money. But but on the world stage, I mean

1:12:39.200 --> 1:12:42.760
<v Speaker 1>we got Bill Clinton, and uh yeah, whatever your politics are,

1:12:43.040 --> 1:12:45.760
<v Speaker 1>there's there's still a part of you that's proud that

1:12:45.880 --> 1:12:49.600
<v Speaker 1>here's this small town boy from Arkansas who made it

1:12:49.600 --> 1:12:52.320
<v Speaker 1>to the White House. And that's just something that you

1:12:52.320 --> 1:12:56.240
<v Speaker 1>don't expect us to do. I've told y'all before that

1:12:56.320 --> 1:12:58.400
<v Speaker 1>my dad went to the same high school as Bill

1:12:58.439 --> 1:13:01.839
<v Speaker 1>Clinton and Hot Springs, Arkansas, a town in which Market

1:13:01.880 --> 1:13:05.360
<v Speaker 1>bear hunters used to roam the streets and buckskin well.

1:13:05.880 --> 1:13:09.600
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen ninety three, shortly after Clinton took office, he

1:13:09.680 --> 1:13:14.040
<v Speaker 1>made a visit to Hot Springs and randomly, Juju Nukam

1:13:14.120 --> 1:13:17.080
<v Speaker 1>and my little brother Tyler, who was eight years old

1:13:17.080 --> 1:13:20.400
<v Speaker 1>at the time, we're walking downtown and believe you or not,

1:13:20.800 --> 1:13:24.839
<v Speaker 1>they ran into the President of the United States, Bill Clinton.

1:13:25.560 --> 1:13:28.920
<v Speaker 1>My little brother had a talk boy recorder with him.

1:13:29.040 --> 1:13:33.280
<v Speaker 1>Do you remember those anyway, Here's what happened. It's short,

1:13:33.880 --> 1:13:38.200
<v Speaker 1>really short, but the world has never heard this unreleased

1:13:38.320 --> 1:13:43.360
<v Speaker 1>interview of Bill Clinton. Clinton's down ry yeah, yum kum

1:13:43.479 --> 1:13:48.680
<v Speaker 1>Tom heard grade class and mina and this is a

1:13:48.720 --> 1:13:55.200
<v Speaker 1>neat machine. I've never seen it before. H Tyler, yum

1:13:55.280 --> 1:13:59.200
<v Speaker 1>yum to my tum. Tyler's always had a way with words.

1:13:59.680 --> 1:14:02.759
<v Speaker 1>When we've dug the cassette tape out after thirty years,

1:14:02.840 --> 1:14:06.520
<v Speaker 1>it was corrupted and about half of the full interview remained.

1:14:06.800 --> 1:14:09.680
<v Speaker 1>But Tyler asked Bill Clinton to say hi to his

1:14:09.760 --> 1:14:13.479
<v Speaker 1>third grade class and Mina, Arkansas, and he graciously did.

1:14:14.080 --> 1:14:17.679
<v Speaker 1>Tyler then boldly asked the President of the United States

1:14:17.720 --> 1:14:21.280
<v Speaker 1>to repeat, saying Hi Tyler, We'd better listen to that again.

1:14:21.960 --> 1:14:28.519
<v Speaker 1>Clinton's down ry yeah yeahm Q my Tom, third grade

1:14:28.560 --> 1:14:30.760
<v Speaker 1>class and mina and this is a neat machine. I've

1:14:30.800 --> 1:14:37.000
<v Speaker 1>never seen it before. Hi Tyler, that's some good stuff.

1:14:37.240 --> 1:14:41.040
<v Speaker 1>Good job, Tyler. Did you catch that Clinton and Johnny

1:14:41.120 --> 1:14:43.759
<v Speaker 1>Cash might be neck and neck for the most famous

1:14:43.880 --> 1:14:47.600
<v Speaker 1>Arkansans yep, The Man in Black was born in Kingsland,

1:14:47.680 --> 1:14:50.760
<v Speaker 1>Arkansas in nineteen thirty two, and we're pretty proud of that.

1:14:52.600 --> 1:14:56.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm still trying to understand why myself, Joe Wilson, and

1:14:56.640 --> 1:15:00.479
<v Speaker 1>doctor Blevins and so many others are interested in staying

1:15:00.560 --> 1:15:04.959
<v Speaker 1>true to the original Arkansas image, even with its flaws.

1:15:05.439 --> 1:15:09.320
<v Speaker 1>Here's doctor Blevins. Well, you know, it all comes back

1:15:09.439 --> 1:15:15.400
<v Speaker 1>to that old nineteenth century division between the Enlightenment and

1:15:15.800 --> 1:15:19.559
<v Speaker 1>Romanticism and it and still today. You know, there are

1:15:19.640 --> 1:15:23.160
<v Speaker 1>people who are going to take schoolcraft side and who

1:15:23.200 --> 1:15:26.000
<v Speaker 1>are not gonna want to have any anything to do

1:15:26.520 --> 1:15:30.439
<v Speaker 1>with the hillbilly image of Arkansas or the people who

1:15:31.080 --> 1:15:34.920
<v Speaker 1>still kind of make that relevant in some way as

1:15:34.960 --> 1:15:36.599
<v Speaker 1>part of the image of Arkansas. And then they're going

1:15:36.640 --> 1:15:40.120
<v Speaker 1>to be the people who are excited about it and

1:15:40.160 --> 1:15:44.320
<v Speaker 1>who are glad that that not everybody is just sort

1:15:44.320 --> 1:15:48.680
<v Speaker 1>of lining up and running willy nilly into this progressive

1:15:48.720 --> 1:15:51.720
<v Speaker 1>future that awaits us. That some people are kind of

1:15:51.760 --> 1:15:55.240
<v Speaker 1>holding back and still doing things by the old ways.

1:15:55.400 --> 1:15:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Can you can you have both? Yeah? Yeah? And I

1:15:59.000 --> 1:16:02.360
<v Speaker 1>remember years ago in class, I think I was working

1:16:02.400 --> 1:16:05.240
<v Speaker 1>on Arkansas, Arkansas when this discussion came up. One of

1:16:05.320 --> 1:16:08.120
<v Speaker 1>my classes, but I remember we were talking about the

1:16:08.160 --> 1:16:14.400
<v Speaker 1>state's hillbilly image, and I remember one of the students saying, well,

1:16:14.439 --> 1:16:18.720
<v Speaker 1>at least they know who we are. And his point was,

1:16:19.080 --> 1:16:21.320
<v Speaker 1>if you're gonna have an identity, you're gonna be known

1:16:21.439 --> 1:16:25.439
<v Speaker 1>for something. It's better to be the hillbilly state than

1:16:25.479 --> 1:16:29.200
<v Speaker 1>to be all of these sort of vanilla cookie cutter

1:16:29.479 --> 1:16:33.519
<v Speaker 1>states that don't really have any image at all. At

1:16:33.600 --> 1:16:37.440
<v Speaker 1>Least they know who we are. I think that's pretty profound.

1:16:37.960 --> 1:16:41.400
<v Speaker 1>A deep longing of every human is to simply be known,

1:16:42.120 --> 1:16:44.800
<v Speaker 1>and sometimes we don't get to choose what we're known for.

1:16:45.240 --> 1:16:50.280
<v Speaker 1>It chooses us. I do not understand the psychological complexities

1:16:50.280 --> 1:16:55.280
<v Speaker 1>of why humans naturally becomes so attached to place. I

1:16:55.400 --> 1:17:00.080
<v Speaker 1>don't fully understand why I love Arkansas so much. I

1:17:00.120 --> 1:17:04.080
<v Speaker 1>suspect it's deeply biological and has helped us survive. And

1:17:04.120 --> 1:17:07.040
<v Speaker 1>it probably has something to do with the incredible natural

1:17:07.080 --> 1:17:11.040
<v Speaker 1>beauty of our mountains, the clear water of our highland streams,

1:17:11.240 --> 1:17:15.479
<v Speaker 1>and the enchanting rivers and lowlands of our delta, throwing

1:17:15.560 --> 1:17:19.080
<v Speaker 1>the hospitable character of our people, many of which have

1:17:19.240 --> 1:17:23.120
<v Speaker 1>an intangible charm unique to the creation state, and if

1:17:23.160 --> 1:17:27.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm being honest, I'm quite certain Arkansas must be the

1:17:27.720 --> 1:17:32.479
<v Speaker 1>best place in America. Loving place makes us curious, it

1:17:32.560 --> 1:17:36.120
<v Speaker 1>makes us explore, it makes us protect, it makes us

1:17:36.240 --> 1:17:39.519
<v Speaker 1>value that place, and it can empower us to live

1:17:39.600 --> 1:17:43.320
<v Speaker 1>the best life that we can possibly live in that place.

1:17:44.000 --> 1:17:46.720
<v Speaker 1>But I think to take home for this whole discussion

1:17:47.320 --> 1:17:49.479
<v Speaker 1>is that you may live in a trailer park in

1:17:49.600 --> 1:17:53.240
<v Speaker 1>rural America or in an urban ghetto, but you can

1:17:53.280 --> 1:17:57.920
<v Speaker 1>thrive there. You get to interpret first to yourself and

1:17:57.920 --> 1:18:01.439
<v Speaker 1>then secondly to the world out the place you live

1:18:02.000 --> 1:18:07.200
<v Speaker 1>by displaying who you are. Where we're born doesn't fully

1:18:07.320 --> 1:18:10.920
<v Speaker 1>define us, but we can use it to positively shape

1:18:11.000 --> 1:18:14.600
<v Speaker 1>us or negatively shape us if we let it. And

1:18:14.720 --> 1:18:17.759
<v Speaker 1>I hope you love where you're from, because it doesn't

1:18:17.800 --> 1:18:20.880
<v Speaker 1>have to be perfect, but it is where you're from,

1:18:21.160 --> 1:18:25.680
<v Speaker 1>so I'd suggest make the best of it. In closing,

1:18:25.760 --> 1:18:29.000
<v Speaker 1>I'd like to thank America for all the jokes, and

1:18:29.120 --> 1:18:32.599
<v Speaker 1>you're welcome for all the laughs that are expense because

1:18:32.640 --> 1:18:35.320
<v Speaker 1>in the end we're having the last laugh. Living the

1:18:35.400 --> 1:18:39.080
<v Speaker 1>high life in the creation state, the Bear state, with

1:18:39.240 --> 1:18:42.760
<v Speaker 1>all our fancy art making state of the art holograms

1:18:42.800 --> 1:18:46.599
<v Speaker 1>of our heroes We've got our World Championship Squirrel cook Off,

1:18:46.880 --> 1:18:50.559
<v Speaker 1>our black Bear Bonanza, and the Razorbacks have the best

1:18:50.560 --> 1:18:55.040
<v Speaker 1>coach in college basketball, Eric Musselman. One day they'll make

1:18:55.080 --> 1:18:58.240
<v Speaker 1>a broad statue of him as big as Jerry Clower's

1:18:58.280 --> 1:19:03.000
<v Speaker 1>Cadillac and coach, Please don't take some big job, Duke

1:19:03.200 --> 1:19:07.040
<v Speaker 1>or some school out in California. There's no doubt that

1:19:07.120 --> 1:19:09.880
<v Speaker 1>we love this place, but we've certainly got a lot

1:19:09.920 --> 1:19:12.479
<v Speaker 1>of things to improve on it. But that's the thing

1:19:12.560 --> 1:19:16.240
<v Speaker 1>about Arkansas is we never really thought we were perfect.

1:19:16.880 --> 1:19:20.200
<v Speaker 1>Jim Doggett said we were, and we believed him, but

1:19:20.600 --> 1:19:24.040
<v Speaker 1>we knew it was kind of an exaggeration. In Arkansas,

1:19:24.160 --> 1:19:27.880
<v Speaker 1>we don't take ourselves too seriously. We're not too concerned

1:19:27.880 --> 1:19:31.360
<v Speaker 1>about the hottest trends, and I find our Kansas to

1:19:31.400 --> 1:19:34.920
<v Speaker 1>be accepting of people with good intentions and a willingness

1:19:34.960 --> 1:19:39.000
<v Speaker 1>to work to better their lives. In the end, we're

1:19:39.080 --> 1:19:48.200
<v Speaker 1>just okay being our Kansas. I'd like to close with

1:19:48.280 --> 1:19:51.760
<v Speaker 1>a song from our own Johnny Cash. I think there's

1:19:51.800 --> 1:19:55.200
<v Speaker 1>a message here. Well, my daddy left home when I

1:19:55.280 --> 1:19:57.720
<v Speaker 1>was three, and he didn't leave much jamw and me,

1:19:58.280 --> 1:20:03.040
<v Speaker 1>just his old guitar and empty bottle of food. Now,

1:20:03.120 --> 1:20:05.519
<v Speaker 1>I don't blame him because he running head, But the

1:20:05.600 --> 1:20:08.760
<v Speaker 1>meanest thing that he ever did was before he left,

1:20:09.080 --> 1:20:14.400
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't named me Sue. This poor man's dad named

1:20:14.479 --> 1:20:17.599
<v Speaker 1>him Sue and then abandoned him looking. And then one

1:20:17.680 --> 1:20:20.200
<v Speaker 1>day he meets up with his dad. He said, son,

1:20:21.800 --> 1:20:24.320
<v Speaker 1>this world is rough, and if a man's gonna make it,

1:20:24.320 --> 1:20:26.240
<v Speaker 1>he has got to be cough. And I know I

1:20:26.280 --> 1:20:30.720
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be there to help you along, so I give

1:20:30.720 --> 1:20:33.240
<v Speaker 1>you that name, and I said goodbye, and you you'd

1:20:33.240 --> 1:20:36.120
<v Speaker 1>have to get tough or die. And it's that name

1:20:36.200 --> 1:20:41.280
<v Speaker 1>that helped to make you strong. Yeah, he said. Now,

1:20:41.320 --> 1:20:43.800
<v Speaker 1>you just fought one of a fight. And I know

1:20:43.920 --> 1:20:46.280
<v Speaker 1>you hate me, and you got the write to kill

1:20:46.360 --> 1:20:48.439
<v Speaker 1>me now, and I wouldn't blame you if you do,

1:20:50.320 --> 1:20:52.840
<v Speaker 1>but you ought to thank me before I die, for

1:20:52.960 --> 1:20:55.120
<v Speaker 1>the gravel and your guts in the spit in the eye,

1:20:55.320 --> 1:21:02.160
<v Speaker 1>because I'm the son of a that named you Sue. Yeah,

1:21:02.200 --> 1:21:05.800
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I can hear Arkansas saying You've got

1:21:05.800 --> 1:21:08.360
<v Speaker 1>the right to be upset for the image I've portrayed

1:21:08.400 --> 1:21:10.880
<v Speaker 1>of you over the years, but you ought to thank

1:21:10.960 --> 1:21:13.439
<v Speaker 1>me for the gravel in your gut and the spit

1:21:13.560 --> 1:21:18.759
<v Speaker 1>in your eye. All I've got to say is, long

1:21:19.080 --> 1:21:30.400
<v Speaker 1>live the Arkansas image. I can't thank you guys enough

1:21:30.479 --> 1:21:33.160
<v Speaker 1>for listening to Bear Grease. We put our heart and

1:21:33.200 --> 1:21:36.519
<v Speaker 1>soul into this thing, and we appreciate y'all following along.

1:21:37.160 --> 1:21:41.280
<v Speaker 1>Leave us a review on iTunes and share this podcast

1:21:41.360 --> 1:21:44.160
<v Speaker 1>with some of your friends this week. And I can't

1:21:44.200 --> 1:21:47.240
<v Speaker 1>wait to talk about this on The Render all those

1:21:47.400 --> 1:21:51.720
<v Speaker 1>Arkansas next week, and y'all can join into in the conversations.

1:21:51.760 --> 1:21:53.280
<v Speaker 1>Your state ever been made fun of?