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Speaker 1: Stephane never told your production of I Heart Radio. And

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Speaker 1: it is time for another female first, which means we

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Speaker 1: are once again joined by the fabulous, delightful Eves. Welcome Eaves. Hello, Yeah, y'all.

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Speaker 1: This is our first recording of three. That's exciting. I'm

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