1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: Pascal Siakam is a pacer. We examine both sides of 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 1: this week's mega trade, both for Indiana and Toronto, and 3 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: a very detailed pulse take on two of the Western 4 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: Conference's top teams. We go inside on both the Thunder 5 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: and the Clippers. All that next on the latest edition 6 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: of This League Uncut. 7 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 2: Welcome to This League Uncut. In the rule of twenty 8 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 2: four hour NBA News this you'll Chris Haynes, it's go time, 9 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 2: work's time. It's so time. This League Uncut is underway 10 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,959 Speaker 2: and on fire. This should be a good one. 11 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: Hey everyone, Welcome in to another edition of This League Uncut. 12 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: Chris Haynes and me Mark sty recording on a Thursday night. 13 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 1: A Thursday night that brings us just inside three weeks 14 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: until the NBA trade deadline February eighth at three pm Eastern, 15 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: So less than three weeks now until the trade buzzer sounds, 16 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: and two of the foremost talents that were expected to 17 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: be in play during this trade season have now both 18 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: been moved, both by the Toronto Raptors. Ogn Andobi of 19 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: course dispatched to the Knicks on December thirtieth and Wednesday, 20 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: mid January Pascal Siakam. His lengthy and successful tenure as 21 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: a Toronto Raptor is over. I think Siakam's first choice, 22 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: deep down was that that long term arrangement could have 23 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: been hashed out with the Raptors, where he developed from 24 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: the number twenty seven pick into a two time All 25 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 1: NBA selection. But if it wasn't going to be Toronto, 26 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: I think it's become clear in the last forty eight hours, 27 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: given all the signals we've been getting about how happy 28 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: Siakam is to land with the Pacers, how teams around 29 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: the league are already considering Siakam's re signing with the 30 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: Pacers to be a formality. I think it is fair 31 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: to say that Indiana is where he wanted to end 32 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: up if it couldn't be a further extended stay in Toronto. 33 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: Chris Haynes, I know you've been on the run this week, 34 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: on the road Siakam to Indiana. Give me your first reactions. 35 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 3: I said it. I did a br Live session last Friday, 36 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 3: and that's where I said that Siakam will be moved. 37 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 3: They are parting ways. Siakam and the Raptors are parting ways. 38 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 3: And I can't remember if I said it on this pod. 39 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 3: I don't think we did a pod after that, but 40 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 3: it became inevitable that his last days were. We were 41 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 3: in the in the presence of his last days. So 42 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 3: you know, when the trade went down, Indiana Pacers obviously, 43 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 3: I think and I think I said on my Live 44 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 3: at that time, you know, the Pacers were in prime 45 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 3: positions don because they felt like, well if if nothing 46 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 3: could be done as far as the trade by the 47 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 3: February eighth deadline, they felt very comfortable by being able 48 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 3: to sign them as a free agent over in the summer. 49 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 3: You know, they had the cap space to do that. So, 50 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 3: you know, I think it's clear to say that Pascal 51 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 3: wanted to end up in Indiana and he was going 52 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 3: to get there either way, whether that was going to 53 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 3: be now or what it is going to be months 54 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 3: from now in the summer. But Toronto, I think they figured, 55 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 3: you know, they didn't want to lose Pascal for nothing, 56 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 3: and I think they were able to come out with 57 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 3: a fine haul three first round picks in return. So 58 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 3: I think it ended up working out for both parties. 59 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 3: But Indiana was in prime position. They felt like they 60 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 3: were going to get Pascal one way or the other. 61 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think is this process rumbled on. 62 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: Certainly there were a handful of teams that inquired about 63 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: Pascal Siakam, but nobody was going to be offering as 64 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 1: much as the Pacers were. And even though yes, the 65 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 1: Pacers theoretically could have created the salary cap room to 66 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: do this in the summertime, I think they're very relieved 67 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: to get it done now. To get the deal done, 68 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: get Siakam in in season. They inherit his bird rights, 69 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: of course, so they don't have to worry about creating 70 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 1: salary cap space. They can now sign him comfortably. And look, 71 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: Indiana was able to do this. The Raptors really wanted 72 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: Benedict Maturin or Jerris Walker or even Andrew Nebhard or 73 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: even Jalen Smith, and the Pacers were able to get 74 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: this deal done without including any of those prized for young, rising, 75 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: developing players. So I think the Raptors ultimately looked around. 76 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: You know, Sacramento was not going to trade Keegan Murray 77 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: in a Siakam deal. You know, Golden State, yes they 78 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 1: did inquire, but you know they certainly don't have I 79 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: think the easy to move trade assets like Indiana. Indiana 80 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: just had more trade assets than really any other team 81 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: in this chase. And that's why I think it just 82 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: became apparent to Toronto that yeah, they could if they 83 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: wanted to, they could play this thing out all the 84 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: way to the deadline. But was the offer really going 85 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: to get better than what Indiana put on the table now? 86 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 1: And I think they came to the conclusion that the 87 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: realistic answer was no, And by doing the trade now 88 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: when they did, they still have almost three weeks to 89 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 1: see what else they can do. And when Messiyu Jerry 90 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 1: held a very lengthy and emotional press conference earlier Thursday, 91 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: he went for a full hour talking about both the 92 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: Ananobi and Siakham trades. He was asked if more moves 93 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,919 Speaker 1: are coming, and he said definitely. He didn't even try 94 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: to deny it. And so Bruce Brown, Bruce Brown's contract 95 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:47,919 Speaker 1: cannot be aggregated with any other players. But it's twenty 96 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: two million this season. It's a team. 97 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 3: Option for next season correct. 98 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: Twenty three million. So it doesn't get more trade friendly 99 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: than that. We're going to see now, will Toronto end 100 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 1: up moving on Bruce Brown as well? 101 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 3: Uh? Back to Siakam for a little bit stime. You know, 102 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 3: you talked about the Kings were not willing to include 103 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 3: Keegan Murray into a deal, which is what I heard 104 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 3: as well. But Siakam didn't want to go there to Sacramento. 105 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 3: And there's something that went down there that Sourdika on Sacramento. 106 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 3: I'm not prepared to say that now, but there's something 107 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 3: that happened, something that was said, something that happened, something 108 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 3: that occurred. Oh hey, I don't know if I you know, 109 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 3: I think we had to wait on that, but there's 110 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 3: something that happened. 111 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: That long as you eventually tell us that's something. 112 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 3: There's something that soward of Siakam on Sacramento. I think 113 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 3: he would have been had things been handled differently. I 114 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 3: think he would have been open to doing something long 115 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 3: term in Sacramento. But that's not a hero there. Now 116 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 3: what's done is done. He's in Indiana. They were a 117 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 3: pretty good team before Adam Siakam. Now he only makes 118 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 3: them even more potent. So they're going to be a 119 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 3: really scary team. Offensively, they're going to have another edge. 120 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 3: Now they got somebody you can you can get a 121 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 3: ball to and get a bucket, so you know the 122 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 3: East has got a little bit more interesting for sure. 123 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: Well, look the reality is, and you could say this 124 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: about Sacramento, you could say it about Philly, you could 125 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: say it about Dallas when you already and look, Philly 126 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: doesn't officially have two max guys yet, but we know 127 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: that the Philadelphia seventy six ers ultimately will Max Tyrese MAXI, 128 00:08:54,920 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: And so Sacramento has Fox and Sabona. Dallas you've got 129 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: Luca and Kyrie. Philadelphia will ultimately have EMBIID and MAXI 130 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: on max deals. And so the kind of contract that 131 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: Siakam is going to be expecting in free agency, I 132 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 1: think it's a difficult fit for all those teams. There 133 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: are not many teams in today's NBA that really want 134 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: to have three maxed out guys because you're guaranteed to 135 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: wind up in the second apron and then you lose 136 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: so much roster building flexibility. And look what's going on 137 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: in Phoenix right now. Yes, when Durant and Booker and 138 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: Bradley Beal are all on the floor and all healthy, 139 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: they're dangerous. They can pose a lot of problems for 140 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: your defense. But they haven't been very healthy as a 141 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: trio in their first half season together. They're surrounded by 142 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: players on minimum and smallish type contracts and they just 143 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: don't have a lot of flexibility to go out and 144 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:05,839 Speaker 1: get more. So I can understand the King's hesitancy there 145 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: when they have so much invested already in Fox and Sabonis. 146 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: I mean, it makes more sense to you know, let 147 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: Keegan Murray develop, let him play out his rookie scale 148 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: contract and you'll see if he can be your third guy, 149 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: because he's definitely shown the flashes. 150 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Kings, but they're gonna the Kings are 151 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 3: a team that's looking for hilp you know. There they've 152 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 3: hit a rough rough patch here. Classic Mike Brown, Classic 153 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 3: Mike Brown bringing that laptop to the podium. Oh love 154 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 3: Mike Brown, Love Mike Brown. But yeah, I was thinking, if. 155 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: We have him back on the pod, is he going 156 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: to bring a laptop to the part. 157 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 3: Well, I think he has to. I think you have 158 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,719 Speaker 3: to do this pot on the laptop. But yeah, he 159 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 3: has to bring another one to show us to break 160 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 3: down the play. Sure, but yeah, I mean the trade 161 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 3: deadline February eighth, it's not done Toronto. As you mentioned 162 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 3: with Bruce Brown, that's a very attractive not only his 163 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 3: salary and the way his contracted structure is attractive, but 164 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 3: he's an attractive player for teams that are looking for 165 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 3: perimeter defensive help. You have teams like hey, Phoenix, Milwaukee, 166 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 3: who else can I throw out there? Who are looking 167 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 3: for a player of that Well. 168 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: It's funny. The Knicks have been mentioned with Bruce Brown, 169 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: and I do think the Knicks have some interest there. 170 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: But I've also been hearing with the Knicks. I think 171 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: they're kind of top choice is a scoring guard, someone 172 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: who can more fit in the mold of what they 173 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: lost when they traded Emmanuel Quickly is part of the 174 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 1: Ananobe deal. And Bruce Brown great cutter, great off the ball, 175 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: but like he's not really what you would classify as 176 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: a scoring guard. I think more along the lines of 177 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:13,439 Speaker 1: that kind of player is a Jordan Clarkson. Now I 178 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: don't know if the Knicks can actually get Jordan Clarkson, 179 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: but no, the Knicks are undeniably in that Bruce Brown mix. 180 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: We'll see ultimately what direction the Knicks go. I do 181 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: think this, you know, I can't tell you who it 182 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: will be. I do think the Knicks have at least 183 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: one more move in them, because like the Raptors with 184 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: Bruce Brown, the Knicks have a very trade friendly contract 185 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: with Evan Fournier making what eighteen ninety million this season 186 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 1: and then on a big team option next season. So 187 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 1: the Knicks can make a move with Fournier's deal and 188 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: draft compensation and make at least one more upgrade before 189 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: the deadline. And I think you're absolutely right. I'm not 190 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: sitting here saying that the Kings are fine and don't 191 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: need any upgrades. I mean, as of Thursday's play, they 192 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: were seventeenth in defense, which we know is something that 193 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: Mike Brown does not want to see. But more concerning 194 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: their fourteenth in offense, they were number one in offense 195 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,319 Speaker 1: last season. So the Kings are definitely going to try 196 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: to get something done using Harrison Barnes, Kevin Herder, Davion Mitchell. 197 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: All three of those guys are in play to varying degrees. 198 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: But I just wonder if the Kings, you know, they do, 199 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: they just need a solid addition as opposed to another 200 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 1: star presence. The Siakam trade is obviously the headline of 201 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: the week, and I have to say I spent a 202 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:59,199 Speaker 1: good amount of my Thursday watching the Messaiau Jerry press 203 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: conference very interesting because you know, he made his two 204 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: trades and then did come to the podium earlier today 205 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: and fielded every question that the Toronto media threw at him, which, 206 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: whatever you think of the strategies the trade approach that 207 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: the Raptors have taken last season in this season, it 208 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: was refreshing to see that and hear that, because there's 209 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: no question that the Raptors have faced a ton of 210 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: criticism for their inaction at last season's trade deadline, and 211 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: I wrote about this Thursday on my sub stack. I 212 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: have not sensed a huge amount of regret over the 213 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: past year from the Raptors in terms of how they 214 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: handled Fred van Vliet's final season as a Raptor. The 215 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: Raptors certainly could have traded Van v season, but based 216 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: on everything I've been told, they felt the offers were 217 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: pretty underwhelming in nature. One that I've heard about is, 218 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: you know, they could have sent him to the Clippers 219 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: for Luke Kennard and what I would say a modest 220 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: amount of draft compensation, and the Raptors felt like Fred's 221 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: a former All Star, a fan favorite, a member of 222 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: that unforgettable championship team in Toronto. A key member of 223 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: that team, they didn't want to just send him away 224 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: for such a modest return, and so they decided to 225 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: trade for Yaka Pertle and give Scottie Barnes, Siakam and 226 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: Anobi and Van Vliet, give that quartet one last chance, 227 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: one last ride. And you got to throw Nick Nurse 228 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: in there, because it was one last ride with Nurse 229 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: as the Raptors coach. And it obviously didn't work out. 230 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: The Raptors did not exactly finish last season with a 231 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: flourish and so that actually a lot of the questions 232 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: today were focused on should they have acted sooner? Do 233 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: they have regrets in not trading Ananobe or Siakam sooner? 234 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: Only time will tell and allow us to give the 235 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: proper judgment on it. But look, I think you could say, 236 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: I mean the Raptors are optimistic about the hall they 237 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: got back for Anonobe. No, you know last season, of 238 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: course you heard they want three first, they want four first. 239 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: But you know they're counting on Emmanuel Quickly and RJ. 240 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: Barrett as young players who have a lot of upside. 241 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: They think that's going to work as a more productive 242 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: return for Ananobe. Again, only time will tell there when 243 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: it comes to Siakam, you know, and we still this 244 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: is you know, you mentioned some stuff about Siakam and 245 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: Sacramento that hasn't emerged yet, and I'm sure I'm just 246 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: giving you a hard time. I'm sure when the right 247 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: time arrived and when you can fully report it, I 248 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 1: know you will. But you know something else that we 249 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 1: need to kind of get to the bottom of what 250 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,719 Speaker 1: was the best Toronto really could have done had they 251 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: traded Siakam last summer, And more reporting has to be 252 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: done on this. I went on the Raptors Show in 253 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: Toronto this week and said the same thing. I don't 254 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 1: have all the answers. I've got to dig in a 255 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: little bit more on this, but based on where we 256 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: are now reporting wise, the best indication is that, you know, 257 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: Atlanta's best offer for Siakam in the summer is believed 258 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: underline believed believed to have topped out at DeAndre Hunter, 259 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: AJ Griffin and a future First. I don't know how 260 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 1: stringently that future first would be protected, but if that 261 00:17:56,320 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: was really the best offer that Toronto had, I think 262 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: they can make the case they're going to have to 263 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: ultimately prove it with what they do with the picks 264 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: and how they move from here. But they can make 265 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: the case that trading Siakam for Bruce Brown's deal and 266 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: three first, that they can do more with that than 267 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: what they could have done had they taken Atlanta's offer. 268 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: But again we have to confirm and make sure that 269 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: that was indeed the best thing on the table for 270 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 1: the Raptors. All Right, We've gone on about the Siakam 271 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 1: trade enough. Again, that obviously is the major major headline 272 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: in the league this week. But you know, I always 273 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: want to hear about your tails from the road, and 274 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: you were on the sidelines for thunder Clippers the other night, 275 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: So the floor is yours. I've rambled on enough, give 276 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: us give us some la stories about what you heard 277 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 1: and saw in Clipperland the other night. 278 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 3: This was my first time seeing the Okac Thunder up 279 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 3: and close this season, so I was really looking forward 280 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 3: to catching up with SGA and that young group chat 281 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 3: and those guys. And I'm gonna tell you right now, 282 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 3: the Thunder they are. They are ecstatic just about the 283 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 3: the core guys that they have, and not just on 284 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,880 Speaker 3: the court, just just good guys that they are good 285 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 3: locker room, really good locker room. I spoke with Jalon 286 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 3: Williams a little bit, chopped up with SGA for a 287 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 3: little bit as well. One thing is that that kind 288 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 3: of caught me, not by surprise, but I was a 289 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 3: little I'm like, you know, it was something it was, 290 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 3: it was something I didn't consider before. So I spoke 291 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 3: with Jalen Williams, and you know, the second year guard 292 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 3: who's doing tremendous over there, and OKAYC starts, they start 293 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 3: a positionless starting five. You know they really have they're 294 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 3: really starting. You can make a case they're probably starting 295 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 3: four point guards then check. If not point guards, then 296 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 3: just you know, just guards who who need the ball 297 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 3: in their hands. You know, I was talking with Jalen 298 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 3: about that, he's he's listed technically, I guess you could 299 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 3: say he's the power forward. You know, you got Josh 300 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 3: Giddy and Shaye in the back backcourt, then you have 301 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 3: lou Dort and you got Jalen Williams and check. And 302 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 3: so I asked Jalen about just, you know, what are 303 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 3: the benefits of a pros and cons of you know, 304 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 3: starting a lineup like that, because you guys look like 305 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 3: you are. You know, everybody look like everybody knows where 306 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 3: they're supposed to be, and they understand each other's game. 307 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 3: He said, I'm gonna be honest with you. He said, 308 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 3: at times is tough. It's a struggle because we're all guards, 309 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 3: and a lot of us are lead guards, and we 310 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 3: need the ball in our hands. So he said, so 311 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 3: while it may look pretty and seamless to you and 312 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 3: everybody else, he said, a lot of times, it's hard, 313 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 3: you know, because we we we need the ball our hands. 314 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 3: I need the ball on my hands, and you know, 315 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 3: I like the handle the ball, bring the ball up 316 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 3: initiaate the offense, he said, So does Josh Giddy? He said, 317 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 3: so this s g A and so he said, yeah, 318 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 3: it's problematic sometimes, he said, but we do a good 319 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 3: job of trying to play the right way. And he 320 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 3: said in it's work and that. But that caught me 321 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 3: by surprise. I didn't I didn't expect him to have 322 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:36,479 Speaker 3: such a candid answer, a candid response to that. And 323 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 3: if you look at you know, you look at the 324 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 3: dynamic of that team. A lot of young guys, a 325 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 3: lot of young guys, a lot of shooters, a lot 326 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 3: of guards, Uh, they're they're you know, that is a 327 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 3: well packaged team that you know, and they definitely have 328 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 3: the assets to do something big eventually. 329 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: But yeah, you know what everyone says. Everyone everyone thinks 330 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,719 Speaker 1: that they're gonna do something at this deadline, and I 331 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: really don't. And again, it's not based on reporting. Just 332 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: it's based on years and years and years of watching 333 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: Sam Presty and I just know he's always going to 334 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 1: be patient when he can, and just my instinct, you know, 335 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,439 Speaker 1: maybe you got some of this vibe when you were 336 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 1: with those guys. I do wonder to really evaluate that 337 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: team and decide what they need next. Do they need 338 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: to see them in a playoff series first before they 339 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:39,479 Speaker 1: can really evaluate exactly what they have. Does this lineup 340 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,239 Speaker 1: approach you're talking about really work in the postseason? Like, 341 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: just something tells me that letting this team make a 342 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 1: playoff run and then making decisions about trades that just 343 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 1: seems the safer forecast. When we're talking about the. 344 00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 3: Thunder, Yeah, and talking to the Thunder, the people over there, 345 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 3: they're very happy with this roster I have. I'd have no. 346 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 3: I haven't heard anything any scutter buzzs or anything that 347 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 3: suggests that they will make a move at the deadline. 348 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 3: I think to what you say, Stein, I think they 349 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 3: at least want to see this thing through in the 350 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 3: playoffs to see if this has the potential to be effective, 351 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 3: the potential to work. It's one thing in the regular season, 352 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 3: but you know, to see if this is you know, 353 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 3: see if this is sustainable in the postseason. So I 354 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 3: would agree with your with your sentiment on that. It's 355 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 3: so Stein. Another thing, so, you know, one thing about 356 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,959 Speaker 3: being asilumn reporter, you get to go and kind of 357 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 3: check out the timeout huddles and listen in and you know, 358 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 3: it's cool. It depends on depends on what team you're 359 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 3: you're around. You know, some teams have players that don't 360 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 3: talk much Kuhi. If you've got a younger if you 361 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 3: have a younger group, it's probably not that not that 362 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 3: much talking. But if you got an older, experienced group, 363 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 3: a lot of talking, a lot of talking, a lot 364 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 3: of a lot of ship talking, by the way, you know, 365 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 3: that's that's that's why I like to hear. I like 366 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 3: to get all you know, see you know, see how 367 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 3: they talk to one another, see how they talk about 368 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 3: the opposing teams. So Stein, I I at a certain 369 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 3: point during the game. I'm at the Clippers time out huddle, 370 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:28,199 Speaker 3: and the Clippers Westbrook is the most vocal player on 371 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 3: that team. He is the vocal leader since day one, 372 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 3: he's took that mantle. That's that's him. So it's always 373 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 3: cool hearing what he has to say. So, uh so 374 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 3: they call the time out and I go stand behind 375 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:49,479 Speaker 3: a timeout huddle, and at this point, Russ is subbed out. 376 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 3: He got subbed out rotation. Uh, it was just it 377 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 3: was just his time to come out. And as people know, 378 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 3: there are two rows to a bench, and so I'm 379 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 3: actually standing behind the second row. So Russ comes over 380 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 3: where I'm at during the time out and he picks 381 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:18,199 Speaker 3: up a stat sheet, looking at his stats, and he says, 382 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 3: he looks at me and says, Chris, nobody scores on me. Nobody. 383 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 3: Ain't nobody fucking scoring on me? You say that first 384 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 3: team all d right here. I'm like, okay, So I 385 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 3: guess Stein, you know, I guess Russ would like us 386 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 3: to pay a little bit more attention to his defense 387 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 3: because he believes he's playing at a very high level. 388 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 3: I wasn't expecting that he came over and let me. Know, 389 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 3: ain't nobody scoring on him? Now? Before you know, I 390 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 3: don't want people the aggregators just chop this up and 391 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 3: and go crazy. Obviously, this is the NBA, and players 392 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 3: are going to get scored on it. That happens. But 393 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 3: I think I think Russ was kind of, uh, just 394 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 3: throwing it out there a little bit that he wants 395 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 3: people to take note of what he's doing on that 396 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 3: end of the basketball. So that was that was that 397 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 3: was a first for me, for for a player to 398 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 3: come and say something like that, to be while I'm 399 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 3: just chilling in the background. 400 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: As you know, I didn't do as much sideline as 401 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: you I really only did it for radio, and I 402 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: only did it at the All Star Game and the Finals. 403 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: I never I mean, I'm trying to think if I've 404 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: ever even done a regular season game. I'm not. Maybe 405 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: I have done one or two. Yeah, I've probably done 406 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: one or two for radio, but not many. But it's 407 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: so funny. I know we've talked about this before. I 408 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: remember when I started doing sideline, I was taught the 409 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: main thing was do not make eye contact with the coach. 410 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,360 Speaker 1: Listen in on the huddle, but do not make eye 411 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: contact with the coach. I think it was Rick Buker 412 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: who gave me that pearl of wisdom. And here you are, 413 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: screw that. You're just like talking to Russ during the 414 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 1: time out? 415 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 3: Am I talking to Russe? Is Russ talking to meet 416 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 3: depend well? That you know again, that doesn't happen often. 417 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,479 Speaker 3: You know, of course, there is little you know, there 418 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 3: are coaches that see you, and you know, the the 419 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 3: secondary coaches, the coaches that sit on that second row, 420 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 3: they you know, they see they give you some dapt 421 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 3: say what's up. And then there are some players that 422 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,959 Speaker 3: give you the head nod what's up when they see you. 423 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 3: But there's not too much interaction that I that I get. 424 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 3: You know, you may have Lebron may cuss me out 425 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 3: of something or uh, you know, a playful cuss out 426 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 3: when he sees me. You know, things like that, but no, 427 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 3: no conversations. And I wouldn't even consider that a conversation. 428 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 3: But Russ was just letting me know. I was in 429 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 3: the vicinity and I think he was playing. I would 430 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 3: have to go back and look at the tape, but 431 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 3: he might have in his assignment, might have been SGA 432 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 3: right before he got subbed out, and so I think 433 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 3: he was feeling good, you know, it's feeling good about himself. 434 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,439 Speaker 3: But look, I think again, I think he's in a 435 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 3: in a subtle way. It wants people to, you know, 436 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 3: acknowledge his defensive prowess. And that's that's one thing Tyler 437 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 3: talks about that Russ brings the intensity on both ends, 438 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 3: and he talked about him particularly on that end, on 439 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 3: defensive end. So I think people need to start checking 440 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 3: him out. Russ. You know, Russ is putting it out there. 441 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: It's interesting you have. You had that vantage point that 442 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: most of us don't have to actually watch how these 443 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: guys all interact during a timeout and a stoppage. So 444 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: I guess the interesting thing is, I mean, I think 445 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook deserves tons of credit. He has embraced this 446 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: six man role. He's the one who sent himself to 447 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: the bench basically when the James harden arraw got off 448 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: to such a bad start. And but I mean, you 449 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: you've now seen it. You're you know, you have a 450 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: first hand, up close account. I mean, if he's the 451 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: vocal leader, they must be listening and open to that 452 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: for him to be so vocal, which is interesting, he's 453 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: only playing twenty three minutes a game. 454 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 2: There are. 455 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: Man four or five Clippers playing more minutes per game 456 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: than Russ. So how effective do you think it is 457 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: when he's being so vocal. I mean again, I imagine 458 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: if his teammates didn't want him to take that role, 459 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: he wouldn't have it. 460 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 3: One thing about Russ throughout the league, he has tremendous 461 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 3: respect among his peers. That's that's one thing that's never left, 462 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 3: even when he was struggling with the Lakers, you know, 463 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 3: even you know the few times he struggled with a 464 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 3: few periods he struggled with the Clippers, the respect is 465 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 3: always there. People love Russ and I'm talking about it 466 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 3: in the NBA is peers and so he's always they're 467 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 3: always open to listening to him speaking because he's going 468 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 3: to go out there and give me. It's all like, 469 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 3: is he going to make the right play all the time? 470 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 3: Is he going to make some mistakes? 471 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? 472 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 3: I think that that comes with the way that he 473 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 3: plays basketball. It's like a reckless style of play. But 474 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 3: they know his heart is always in the right place. 475 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 3: And you know, again with him going to coach lou 476 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 3: and telling them, hey, I think it's best for me 477 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 3: to come off the bench, allow James Harden to go 478 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 3: out there and flourish, and you know that that's what 479 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 3: has happened. And so you know with Russ, man like 480 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 3: he's in a he's in a good place. He's a 481 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 3: really good place. 482 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 4: Man. 483 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 3: I think I remember we were doing our Podstarn and 484 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 3: it was when James Harden came over, and that was 485 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 3: before we didn't know how things were going to play out. 486 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 3: We knew something had to change, and I was, you know, 487 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 3: I didn't know how it was going to play out. 488 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 3: I didn't know how well, listen, I knew how it 489 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 3: was going to play. I knew eventually Russ would have 490 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 3: to go to a reserve role, but I didn't know 491 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 3: how he was going to take it. And he not 492 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 3: only has he taken it well, he's he's he's playing 493 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 3: really good. He's playing really good in that role, and 494 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 3: he's still being impactful with his voice and his leadership. 495 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 3: And so that's cool, that's kind of cool to see 496 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 3: up front. Start of another another note on SGA right, 497 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 3: and so I didn't get to use this as well, 498 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 3: but I spoke with Chris Paul, who is recovering from 499 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 3: his hand surgery. I had a conversation with him phone 500 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 3: conversation with him to day of the game, and you know, 501 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,479 Speaker 3: I was just basically asking him like, like, how was 502 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 3: it playing with him that year and when you knew 503 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 3: that he was going to be the future. But you 504 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 3: guys are both point guards, Like how did you try 505 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 3: to still play your game but make sure you didn't 506 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 3: step on his toes? He said. Free said, first of all, 507 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 3: when I when I went over there, OKC we started 508 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 3: working out, I wanted to get inside of his head. 509 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 3: And he said, Sga loves basketball. And he said, if 510 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 3: you love basketball, I love being around you. That's what 511 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 3: Chris Paul told me, he said, So that made it easy, 512 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 3: he said. But he said he did feel like he 513 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 3: had an obligation to not only teach him what he knew, 514 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 3: but also allow him the freedom to play that position 515 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 3: as much as he could when they both shared the 516 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 3: court and play it, you know, with some freedom, allow 517 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 3: him to do make mistakes, not get on them. And 518 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 3: you know, that was the first time in a while 519 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 3: where Chris Paul and his other stops it was championship 520 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 3: expectations and now you know and okay, see that was 521 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 3: a time where they they surprised people. They surprised people 522 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 3: with the season that they had, and so he said 523 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 3: it was a delicate balance of trying to mentor trying 524 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 3: to get them freedom, trying to help enhance his game, 525 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 3: he said. But one thing he said offensively, he said, 526 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 3: I didn't have to do much, he said, defensively. That's 527 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 3: where he had to get on SGA's ass, he said. 528 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 3: He he said he used to, like he said, if 529 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 3: he talked to SGA, which I didn't at that point, 530 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 3: he said, talk to SGA. Ask him about how much 531 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 3: I got him throughout the season on the defensive end. 532 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 3: He said, I felt like he was not putting forth 533 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 3: the effort or didn't know how to put forth the 534 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 3: effort on that end when they when they were around. 535 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 3: And now you look at SGA leader in steels, leader 536 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 3: in deflections, and you know that's something that he said 537 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 3: he saw in him back then. And so he said 538 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 3: it was a privilege to watch him and and that 539 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 3: to have a to have a part in his development. 540 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 3: But he said SGA made it even more easier for 541 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 3: him when he came along, because that was you know, 542 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 3: just where Chris Paul is at his age and his 543 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 3: stature and where Shay and the rest of that group was. 544 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 3: He said, it was kind of a tricky situation with 545 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 3: both sides, but they they made it work. 546 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 1: In your time with the Clippers, did you register any 547 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:14,399 Speaker 1: did you see any tangible joy from Kawhi Leonard one 548 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: week after him signing his big contract extension. 549 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 3: I don't think we will see any tangible joy if 550 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 3: he won the billion dollar lottery, you know, I don't 551 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 3: think you'll see that from Kawhi. I thought you were 552 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 3: going in a different direction. I thought you were going 553 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,760 Speaker 3: to say, did I see any joy in PJ? Tucker? 554 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,800 Speaker 1: Well, I have a suspicion I know how that story 555 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: would turn out. But since you brought it up, please 556 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,320 Speaker 1: tell us what you read on the latest with PJ. 557 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,800 Speaker 1: Tucker is. Because he definitely is a name that people 558 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 1: have their eye on. Will the Clippers try to trade him? Obviously, 559 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,360 Speaker 1: he has one more year on his contract after this season, 560 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 1: which complicates their ability to trade him. But all right, 561 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: you tell us what's going on with PJ. 562 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 3: Nothing has changed. He wants to play. He wants to 563 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 3: play for a contending team, whether that is the Clippers 564 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 3: or somewhere else. And you know being around him, you 565 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,800 Speaker 3: see you seeing him on the bench, and he's a 566 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 3: little bit more quiet, a little bit more quieter than 567 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 3: I've ever really seen him, But that's because he's not playing. 568 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 3: But he still has a he's still vocal when he 569 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 3: felt when he sees something. I see points throughout the 570 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,760 Speaker 3: game where he may he may suggest something to a player. 571 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 3: But for the most part, you know, he's just in 572 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 3: the background, just waiting on waiting, on the move. And 573 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 3: the Clippers know how PJ feels, They understand, they they 574 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,320 Speaker 3: are still as of right now, they are still hoping 575 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 3: that PJ would just understand that they're gonna need him 576 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 3: down the road. Teams have called. The teams have called 577 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,439 Speaker 3: the Clippers, checking in to see what it would take 578 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 3: those type of scenarios. I don't know concrete that there 579 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 3: have been offers, but teams are called, have called in 580 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:16,399 Speaker 3: on PJ. The Clippers right as of right now are 581 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 3: not interested in doing anything. But there's still time left 582 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 3: for those calls to become increasingly more serious, where serious 583 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 3: offers will be presented. But uh, I can tell you 584 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 3: right now, as things stand, PJ believes that he has 585 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 3: a lot of game left. He can help a contented team, 586 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,839 Speaker 3: and that's what he wants to do. He doesn't want 587 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,320 Speaker 3: to sit on the bench. 588 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,879 Speaker 1: So during this game, you confess to us, Now, were 589 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 1: you just constantly by the Clipper huddle or did you 590 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: sneak in on some Thunder huddles too? 591 00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 3: I stuck on Thunder holes. But you know a lot 592 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,359 Speaker 3: of you know again, you know the younger teams they are, 593 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,320 Speaker 3: they're pretty quiet. For sure. 594 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 1: They do not want you over there. The Thunder like, hey, hey, 595 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,880 Speaker 1: ty lu doesn't care. But I promise you without even asking, 596 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 1: I'm sure the Thunder do not want your want you 597 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 1: in their huddle. 598 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 3: They did not remove me, they did not know. They 599 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:20,799 Speaker 3: can't you want you. 600 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: I mean, you have the license to be there. I'm 601 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 1: just saying they don't like it. 602 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, it might be the case. My guy, Matt Tumblinson, 603 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,279 Speaker 3: you know what, you know, that's my dude over there 604 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 3: at Okay, See he was. He was right there in 605 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,319 Speaker 3: the vicinity of where I was at when I would 606 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 3: go over there and check in on the Oka see huddles. 607 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,440 Speaker 3: But no, I didn't have any I didn't have any problems. 608 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 3: It was it's a really good group of guys. Again, 609 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 3: it's a young guys. You know a lot of times, 610 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 3: like I said, like when you have an old, veteran, 611 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,360 Speaker 3: experienced group, those are probably your more vocal guys. You 612 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 3: want to get more substance out of those type of 613 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,319 Speaker 3: huddles opposed to a young, quiet team. Trying to think 614 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,840 Speaker 3: who's probably a vocal Yeah, not even I mean you 615 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 3: probably would think dork is probably vocal, but nah, not really. Yeah, 616 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 3: it's pretty much the coaches. The coaches are you know, 617 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 3: are the vocal presence in those huddles for ok see. 618 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 1: And so I was running around Tuesday night. I didn't 619 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 1: see any of the game. What was your James Harden 620 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 1: report during the game? 621 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 3: James Harden? So I spoke with James Harden before the 622 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 3: game because I had heard I heard heard a tipbit. 623 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,720 Speaker 3: So I was like, let me go talk to James 624 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,399 Speaker 3: before and before the game. And the tipbit I heard 625 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 3: is that he wants to sign a long term deal 626 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 3: in the summer with the Clippers. I'm like, huh, okay, 627 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,279 Speaker 3: let me go check. So I went to him before 628 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 3: the game and he was shown enough. He was like, yes, 629 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 3: I wanted this is where I want to end my career. 630 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 3: He said, Kawhi got his extension done. He said, I 631 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 3: know Paul is working on his and once they get 632 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,359 Speaker 3: that solidified, he said, I'm hoping I'm next in line 633 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 3: over the summer. You know, he can't James Harden can't 634 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,480 Speaker 3: do an extension. Is you know the way his contract 635 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 3: was structured, the last deal with Philly that didn't allow 636 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,400 Speaker 3: for such an extension to be implemented. So he'll be 637 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 3: a free agent to summer. So you know, he's hoping 638 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 3: that he can get something long term done with the Clippers. 639 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,360 Speaker 3: He said that, he told me that him, Paul, George Kauai, 640 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 3: they've they've talked about like playing multiple years together and 641 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,840 Speaker 3: doing something special with that new arena that's uh into 642 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:35,360 Speaker 3: it Dome that's going to be in play next season. 643 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 3: You know, they they've already talked about that. You know, 644 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,400 Speaker 3: they they they're invested, you know, they're really invested in 645 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,799 Speaker 3: trying to see this thing through. And so he said, yeah, 646 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 3: I know I might have. He said, how do you 647 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,799 Speaker 3: try to ort to try to quote him correctly? But 648 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,120 Speaker 3: he said something along the lines to me about I 649 00:39:55,160 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 3: know I probably said that at my last stop. He said, 650 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 3: but y'all, y'all know, you know, he said, y'all know 651 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,400 Speaker 3: the shit that happened, you know, you know along the 652 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,799 Speaker 3: way over there, which got me to go in a 653 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,440 Speaker 3: different path. But he's he talked about how tay Lude 654 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 3: to him was one of the best coaches in the NBA. 655 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 3: He said, it has the best best, one of the 656 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,719 Speaker 3: best medical staffs that he's been a part of here 657 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,439 Speaker 3: at the Clippers and you know, have you know, his 658 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,400 Speaker 3: his la guys here. He said, that makes all the 659 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 3: sense of the word. He said, I'm happy they let 660 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,759 Speaker 3: me do my thing, and you know, he just loves 661 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 3: being home. So you know, that was the first of 662 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,080 Speaker 3: him saying anything like that. 663 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's gonna happen to I think he's 664 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 1: exactly right. Kawhi did his extension. Around the league, everyone 665 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,719 Speaker 1: expects Paul George to do a deal sooner rather than later, 666 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 1: and James Harden, as you noted, he cannot do an 667 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 1: nd season extension. But when he's a free agent, the 668 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,680 Speaker 1: widely held assumption already is that that will be a 669 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,400 Speaker 1: one team pursuit and that James Harden will re sign 670 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 1: with the Clippers. I think that's a pretty safe prognostication 671 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 1: at this point. And next man, I can't wait to 672 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,319 Speaker 1: see the Intoit Dome. You know I was when I 673 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,440 Speaker 1: covered the Lakers they played in Inglewood. It's been a 674 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,320 Speaker 1: long time since I've covered an NBA game in Inglewood. 675 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,440 Speaker 1: I cannot wait to see. And I've seen some of 676 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 1: the clips of the Into It Dome, but I have 677 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,040 Speaker 1: not been there and cannot wait to see how this 678 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:23,279 Speaker 1: thing turns out. 679 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,879 Speaker 3: Owner Steve Balmer says is going to have the most 680 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 3: urinals of any arena in the country. I'm looking forward 681 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,919 Speaker 3: to checking those urinals. STA. You know what, I'm gonna 682 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,240 Speaker 3: tell you this. It is gonna be weird. I hate 683 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 3: to even admit this, but. 684 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:38,759 Speaker 1: It was already weird when you said you can't wait 685 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:39,960 Speaker 1: to check out those urinals. 686 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,239 Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, I'm going somewhere with that. 687 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 1: Keep it weird, I guess I'll keep with this. 688 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 3: Is this league uncut? You know, this is family. Everybody's listening. 689 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,279 Speaker 3: When I was younger, my mom used to think I 690 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,880 Speaker 3: was strange for doing this, and you know, I probably was. 691 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,480 Speaker 3: But when I was young, I would say six seven eight. 692 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,480 Speaker 3: Every time we went out to a rest the first 693 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,439 Speaker 3: thing I would do was go check the restroom out. 694 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,160 Speaker 3: I don't know why I just go check the restroom out. 695 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,400 Speaker 3: I just wanted to see how clean the restroom was. 696 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,960 Speaker 3: So I think this is probably six seven, eight, nine 697 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,520 Speaker 3: years old. That was my go to, like, I wanted 698 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,040 Speaker 3: to go see how clean the restroom, I guess, and 699 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,239 Speaker 3: it was really restaurants, So I guess that was my 700 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,719 Speaker 3: way of kind of trying to decide before I ate 701 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,439 Speaker 3: the food, if the food was going to be any 702 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,440 Speaker 3: good or that. I think the restroom, how clean the 703 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,120 Speaker 3: restroom was was kind of an indicator of how well 704 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,800 Speaker 3: the food was going to how good the food was 705 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:40,520 Speaker 3: going to be. And I think, oftentimes from my own 706 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:47,120 Speaker 3: analytic process your database, yeah, my database, I think most 707 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:51,239 Speaker 3: of the time, when it was a clean restroom, the 708 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:57,800 Speaker 3: food was amazing, but when the restroom was, you know, shitty, 709 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 3: the food was shitty. So that's what I'm looking forward 710 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,040 Speaker 3: to seeing how these urinals well, I think the urinals 711 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,440 Speaker 3: gonna be nice, at least at least early on into 712 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,000 Speaker 3: a du that's gonna be nice. But I'm looking forward 713 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 3: to the process of what months and months go by. 714 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:21,040 Speaker 3: Are these eurinals still going to be plush? Are you 715 00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:21,680 Speaker 3: with me? Star? 716 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,799 Speaker 1: I'm in shock right now, I cannot believe, as we're 717 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,360 Speaker 1: nearing the one year anniversary of this show, that we 718 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,960 Speaker 1: just ended a show with a solid three minutes on 719 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:39,080 Speaker 1: stadium urinals. I'm really glad that you forced producer Ryan 720 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,880 Speaker 1: to turn his camera on now during these segments so 721 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:47,800 Speaker 1: we can see his absolutely shocked reaction to this ending 722 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,560 Speaker 1: that was definitely unscripted and uncut. This was not in 723 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,400 Speaker 1: the pre show notes that this is how we were 724 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:53,200 Speaker 1: going to end this show. 725 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,160 Speaker 3: Well, Stein, Producer Ryan was actually not in his head, 726 00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,760 Speaker 3: and it looked like he was. He understood my premise. 727 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:05,359 Speaker 3: He understood my process as a kid of looking, you know, 728 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,440 Speaker 3: going into the restrooms and checking out the facility before 729 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,359 Speaker 3: I ate the food. So it looks like he under 730 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,200 Speaker 3: producer Ryan, if you could shine man. 731 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,239 Speaker 1: We're gonna let you guys have that out off air. 732 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:21,239 Speaker 1: I think we've subjected the audience to enough because I 733 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,080 Speaker 1: was really I kind of what I was expecting is 734 00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,759 Speaker 1: that you were going to say, yeah, you know I, 735 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,759 Speaker 1: I really can't wait to get my tour of the 736 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,920 Speaker 1: indt too. It dome like we saw a bunch of 737 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,120 Speaker 1: media that was invited there the other day for All 738 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:33,000 Speaker 1: Stars and everything. 739 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,600 Speaker 3: No, No, Stein, Steyle. Listen, that's what I have Stein. 740 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 3: I can't be the only one who thinks that way, 741 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,680 Speaker 3: because Steve Balmer himself, he's the one that made it public. 742 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,480 Speaker 3: That is going to be the all time most urinals 743 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:45,800 Speaker 3: in the country. 744 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,839 Speaker 1: Well, now I know when we if we ever get 745 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,759 Speaker 1: Steve Balmer to join us on this pod. 746 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,959 Speaker 3: Now I know what he said it by the way, 747 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,600 Speaker 3: he said he'll do it. I talked to him a 748 00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,080 Speaker 3: couple days ago. He said he'll do it. Did you 749 00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,359 Speaker 3: did he really got it? Yeah, yep, he said do it. 750 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:05,120 Speaker 3: So I gotta work that out with the Clippers pr all. 751 00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,400 Speaker 1: Right, Well, I would love to have him on. So 752 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,279 Speaker 1: I guess I will put up with the urinal. 753 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,200 Speaker 4: Discussion and we will. We will talk about that. We're 754 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,720 Speaker 4: gonna We're gonna do a deep die with Steve barbaro 755 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:21,040 Speaker 4: urinals on this show. 756 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:24,799 Speaker 3: This is uncut, This. 757 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:30,239 Speaker 1: League uncut, this League off the rails. All right, that's 758 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:34,080 Speaker 1: gonna do it for this edition of This League Uncut, 759 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,919 Speaker 1: Mark Stein with Chris Haynes. Thanks as always for tuning in. 760 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:43,560 Speaker 1: Please remember, if you haven't already, follow the show, rate 761 00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:47,799 Speaker 1: the show, review the show. We'd love A five star 762 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,440 Speaker 1: rating from you anywhere you get your pods where that's Apple, Spotify, 763 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,800 Speaker 1: you know where to register all that stuff. And Chris 764 00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,799 Speaker 1: and I we will be back with you again very 765 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:04,640 Speaker 1: very soon as trade season continues to deliver deal after 766 00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,600 Speaker 1: deal after deal, and we've got just under three weeks 767 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:12,719 Speaker 1: to go. Stay tuned, talk soon everyone. 768 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,640 Speaker 2: And that'll do it for us. See you next time. 769 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:24,960 Speaker 2: This League on CUTA is an iHeartRadio production Chris Haines 770 00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:26,080 Speaker 2: and Mark Stein