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Speaker 1: Steve Schmidt with the warning here please to be joined

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Speaker 1: by Tara Palmery of The Red Letter, who's been doing

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Speaker 1: some incredible reporting about a really important story, and that is,

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Speaker 1: of course, the relationship between Jeffrey Epstein, the pedophile and

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. And let's be clear that there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of conspiracies, a lot of smoke, a lot of misinformation

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Speaker 1: around all of these stories. And Tari, somebody who has

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Speaker 1: reported on it for many, many years, and I think

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Speaker 1: better than anybody else, has been through her writing, been

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Speaker 1: able to help me understand the implications of it all politically.

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Speaker 1: If you fall into that category of people that just

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Speaker 1: kind of have an allergy any time that there's a

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Speaker 1: certain cohorted people on Fox start talking about an issue.

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Speaker 1: You see the Cash Betels and Dan Bongino's of the world.

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Speaker 1: For me, right, it's an off switch, right, I can't

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Speaker 1: I can't hear a word those people start saying so.

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Speaker 2: Tar like.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the day, as you, as you

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Speaker 1: pointed out, you're writing, there's there's a thousand girls by

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Speaker 1: some estamates, more than a thousand that were abused by

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein, who is Jeffrey Epstein and How does he

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Speaker 1: know Donald Trump?

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Speaker 2: How do these two guys know me?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, It's like that's the basic level. I mean,

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Speaker 3: they're kind of the same type of guy. There are

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Speaker 3: Outer Borough guys come from Queen's Jeffrey Epstein from Coney Island.

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Speaker 3: They became friends when Jeffrey started managing money for really

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Speaker 3: wealthy people. It started with Les Wesner what his biggest client,

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Speaker 3: who owned Victoria's Secret and Jeffrey was sort of trading

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Speaker 3: on people's secrets in a way, getting them to manage

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Speaker 3: And he had he invested in a modeling agency, so

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Speaker 3: we had tons of access to these girls. He also

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Speaker 3: had Glenn Maxwell, his you know, his groomer there out

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Speaker 3: looking for young girls. She offered, you know, veneer of

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Speaker 3: acceptability in society because she was a high society woman

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Speaker 3: this rough and tumble Jeffrey Epstein, who was a pedophile,

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Speaker 3: a man in his fifties, who was spending time with

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Speaker 3: And so during the height of his sex trafficking operation,

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Speaker 3: he was friends with Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: The teenage girls who were around Jeffrey Epstein in social

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Speaker 1: circumstances at and where are all these high society people

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Speaker 1: cantering Jeffrey Epstein And there's like a like a teenager there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you could go to you go to

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Speaker 3: his house. It didn't make sense. It's like he's an

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Speaker 3: a lot of them topless. There's pictures of naked girls

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Speaker 3: all over the home. It was not a secret. He

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Speaker 3: had run a huge you know, he'd run a pyramid

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Speaker 3: scheme at a local high school in Palm Beach, well

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Speaker 3: And he was paying these girls two hundred dollars for

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Speaker 3: you know, I spoke to a lawyer who deposed President

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Speaker 3: Trump for his case for a victim, Courtney Wilde, and

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Speaker 3: when when he asked President Trump about it, Trump said,

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Speaker 3: I asked Epstein, what's this all about with the girls?

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Speaker 3: And he said, it's a big brother, Big sister program.

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Speaker 3: because all of these elites just saw these girls like

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Speaker 3: they were party favors. I mean, Glene used to call

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Speaker 3: to me, it was like something I never forgot that phrase.

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Speaker 3: And that was the way that they were viewed. And

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Speaker 3: guy who lives in Palm Beach is a real creep.

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Speaker 1: Rot So why is it that all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: Trump out out of what they reported, separated from Pam

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Speaker 1: Bondy saying Hey, I got the file on my desk,

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Speaker 1: put that aside. Is there anything that is in that

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Speaker 1: at all of this from your from your perspective, that's

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Speaker 2: Matters to me.

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Speaker 3: It is confirmation of what we already knew, which was

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Speaker 3: that Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump were friends at the

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Speaker 3: height of his operation, and that it would be very

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Speaker 3: difficult for Trump not to have known about what was happening.

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Speaker 3: And the Wall Street Journal article does not you know,

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Speaker 3: but it seems the secret that we share or good

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Speaker 3: the very least enabled him. Now it doesn't say that

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Speaker 3: This is depraved activity. This is like, this is and

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Speaker 3: it's it's it's and it's for Trump to say, oh,

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Speaker 3: you know, look at that person. They're Epstein friend, They're

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Speaker 3: that person, They're Epstein's friends. It's like, actually, you were too,

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Speaker 3: So you know, there's I've interviewed a lot of the victims.

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Speaker 3: them was hired from mar A Lago, Virginia Dufrai, who

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Speaker 3: I mean Maria Farmer. She remembers being meeting Avana with

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Speaker 3: Gallaine Maxwell, like they were all close. There were fourteen

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Speaker 3: entries for Trump in the Black Book. It's it's just

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Speaker 3: do you suggest that, at what point are you an enabler?

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Speaker 4: So so so, this story is about Epstein's fiftieth birthday party,

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Speaker 1: And I know you're away, and you you're working while

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Speaker 1: she's away. But the headline of your story is about

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Speaker 1: Epstein's fortieth birthday ten years right. And when I read

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Speaker 1: is fortieth birthday party, completely apart from the Wall Street

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Speaker 1: So this facts, all of that up ten years Epstein's

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Speaker 1: both of these events it's proved is that everybody who's

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Speaker 1: maybe you would have jokes about literature, or if he

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the girls were a joke to them.

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Speaker 3: I think he wanted to be envied because he could

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Speaker 1: Want to see happen that brings loisure in your mind

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Speaker 1: to this story? Knowing that your friend who is a

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Speaker 3: I think that you need to keep prosecuting the case,

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Speaker 3: To dust absolutely and and you know, I was talking

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Speaker 1: One of the toughest things everybody is to know who

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Speaker 1: Some really extraordinary reporting on this over the last week,

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