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Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five,

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Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah hart Unger.

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Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger.

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Speaker 1: On the side, we are two working parents who love

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Speaker 1: our careers and our families. Welcome to Best of Both Worlds.

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Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family,

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Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping

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Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get

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Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to Best of Both Worlds.

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Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode two hundred and forty seven,

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Speaker 1: which is airing in late April of twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: We are going to do Weekends Revisited. We have covered

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Speaker 1: the topic of weekends before, as you might imagine, in

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Speaker 1: nearly two hundred and fifty episodes of doing Best of

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Speaker 1: Both Worlds. Weekends have come up a time or two,

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Speaker 1: but it's been a while since we've done it, so

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Speaker 1: we thought we would revisit the topic. How we think

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Speaker 1: about our weekends, how we plan our weekends, what we

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Speaker 1: like to do on our weekends. Any helpful tip we

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Speaker 1: have come up with in the course of many many

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Speaker 1: years of thinking through weekends because of course weekends have

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Speaker 1: this oh special place in working parent life in the

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Speaker 1: sense that they aren't relaxing, especially if you have young kids.

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Speaker 1: And so it's always funny when you're hearing somebody talk about, oh,

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Speaker 1: can't wait to relax on the weekend, it's like, well,

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Speaker 1: you know that person does not have a toddler, or

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Speaker 1: if they have a toddler, somebody else is dealing with

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Speaker 1: it's the opportunity to have a lot of family time

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Speaker 1: other time. So we really do need to think them through.

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Speaker 1: So that's what this episode is about. So, Sarah, what

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Speaker 1: did you do last weekend? We are recording this in

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Speaker 1: early April, by the way, Yeah, so last weekend. Our

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Speaker 1: weekends come in several flavors, depending if anyone is on call,

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Speaker 1: So it's like a Josh call weekend, a Sarah call weekend,

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Speaker 1: so four potential combinations. This was a nobody on call weekend,

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Speaker 1: I actually already don't remember exactly where. We might have

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Speaker 1: gone swimming. Maybe we just hang out outside. We did

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Speaker 1: this place that has conveyor built sushi, which is better

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Speaker 1: then those things can repeat year after year, and you

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00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 1: know that it becomes easier to plan weekends because you're

431
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:03,640
Speaker 1: not thinking about what on earth can we do while

432
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 1: you have a long list of things that your family

433
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 1: has enjoyed in the past. My husband's really good about this, actually,

434
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,440
Speaker 1: like I think he's he's learned and like a lot

435
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 1: of times it'll just pop up on my He uses

436
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,640
Speaker 1: Google calendar even though I don't, so it'll just pop

437
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 1: up like, oh, he put that there's a car show

438
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 1: in three weeks that we might want to consider going to,

439
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,159
Speaker 1: or something like that, And it doesn't mean that it

440
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 1: is a firm plan, but it is nice to have

441
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 1: that kind of option if the day does end up

442
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 1: being open. And I do agree, the longer you've lived somewhere,

443
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 1: you would think it would be the other way around,

444
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 1: like if you're new to a place that you have

445
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,679
Speaker 1: more to explore. But actually, I think the longer you're somewhere,

446
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,919
Speaker 1: you kind of like know what the rhythms are and

447
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,399
Speaker 1: like what the annual things that come around. Being in

448
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 1: tune with those rhythms of nature, like you're talking about

449
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 1: the different seasonal things, you are going to have more

450
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 1: of a social circle. So doing some of the same

451
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 1: things you normally do but with other families can add

452
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,679
Speaker 1: a new twist to that. I never feel like we

453
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,439
Speaker 1: are having trouble thinking of things. It's usually more the

454
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 1: other way. Yeah, like yeah, enough time, and they don't

455
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 1: have to be huge. I mean, like I said, we

456
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 1: tried that new playground last weekend and the kids really

457
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 1: liked it. They've mentioned it as somewhere they'd like to

458
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 1: go again. So if there's ever, you know, a time

459
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 1: where we're like, how do we fill this? You know,

460
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 1: ninety minutes of the day, you know, and get kids

461
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 1: out and doing something while we can just drive to

462
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 1: that playground and that would be something now that it

463
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 1: is sort of consciously on the list, Sarah, you were

464
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 1: mentioning also, sometimes it helps to divide and conquer that, Yeah,

465
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 1: that that's something you do. Oh yes, our family. I

466
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 1: mean you have so many kids. I guess you probably

467
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 1: divide and conquer too, especially with the two year old

468
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 1: versus everybody else. But yeah, for us, there are some

469
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Speaker 1: things that, like, some kids enjoy more than others. Sometimes

470
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,640
Speaker 1: there's like big kids stuff for Annabelle and Cameron. Sometimes

471
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,679
Speaker 1: there's just i don't know, reckless, stunt like stuff that

472
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 1: is mostly just Cameron, and so we tend to I

473
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,439
Speaker 1: would say the most common division is actually like girls

474
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 1: versus boys, which might not sound like a fair trade,

475
00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 1: but it works pretty well actually, because Cameron needs a

476
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,120
Speaker 1: lot to get his energy out. You should have seen

477
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 1: how tired Josh was when they got back from skateboarding

478
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 1: for seven hours. So yeah, we do a lot of that,

479
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: and sports necessitate that as well. I can't stand dragging

480
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: all three children to the soccer sidelines. I've done it

481
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 1: a couple times. I've done it enough to be like,

482
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to do this. So whenever there is

483
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: an activity that only one kid is participating in, that's

484
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,120
Speaker 1: almost like an obvious queue. If there are two parents available,

485
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 1: that there will be two separate things going on. Yeah,

486
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: and especially now that my kids are older, we've been

487
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 1: able to leave kids home alone, right, Like, that's an

488
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,439
Speaker 1: option that the older boys really don't ever have to

489
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,159
Speaker 1: go anywhere unless we're going to be gone for a

490
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 1: long time. And sometimes I've started leaving younger kids with

491
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 1: them for short periods of time. With Henry, I want

492
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 1: to make sure it's really short and someone's nearby, just

493
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: because he's more needy. But certainly Alex can stay with

494
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 1: them for an hour or two. And so because of that,

495
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: you really never have to bring tons of chill turn

496
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 1: into something else to a sporting event. So that has

497
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 1: definitely been a nice part of older children that makes

498
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: weekends slightly more doable. That was certainly not the case,

499
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: you know, maybe two three years ago, when when that

500
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 1: was not going to happen at all. So when do

501
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 1: we plan? When do you plan your weekend? Do you

502
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: want to start Sarah? Sure? I mean I was thinking

503
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 1: about this. I feel like it happens a little bit

504
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: more organically, like I think you're sitting down at a

505
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 1: specific time for me, Like for I think because of

506
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: our call weekends in particular, and because I have a

507
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: couple of friends who really enjoy planning ahead, as well

508
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: as physician friends who have their own call weeks to

509
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: contend with, So like, the only way we're going to

510
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: get together is really doing it in a calculated fashion.

511
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 1: Like yesterday, I was at a meeting with a friend,

512
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 1: like a work meeting and a friend who has kids,

513
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 1: and we were like texting on the side, and we're like,

514
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: let's get together, And so we made a playdate for

515
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 1: about a month from now because that was the first

516
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,479
Speaker 1: time it worked, and that's already in my planner, so

517
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: like when we get closer to that date, I'll be like, oh, yay,

518
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 1: play date with these kids. This will be so fun.

519
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 1: So sometimes it's really really in advance. I would say

520
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: our date nights are also pretty far in advance. I'm

521
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 1: often texting our date night babysitter like a month in

522
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 1: advance because I think she likes it that way, and

523
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: so that's just kind of how it works. And also

524
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: some reservations up here. For certain restaurants, you have to

525
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: make them a month in advance or you will not go.

526
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: So there's that, but then there's other stuff like I mentioned,

527
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: that can be very impromptu. This last weekend, the playdate

528
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 1: that Genevieve had, I had gotten texted on Friday from

529
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 1: the mom and she was like, do you want to

530
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 1: come to playground? And I'm like, awesome, we were open,

531
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: so yes, And that's one of those like spontaneous days

532
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 1: where Cameron had baseball, so we knew he had that,

533
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: but I didn't have a plan for the girls. And

534
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: I was either going to either like text the neighborhood

535
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: and see if anyone wanted to come to the pool,

536
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: or I was going to see if they wanted to

537
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 1: go to like one of our local standards, like I

538
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: mentioned the Science Museum, et cetera. So I would say

539
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 1: it's a mix. We usually know when the date nights

540
00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,400
Speaker 1: are going to be, but then and social obligations, but yeah,

541
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 1: it's a mix. It's a makes a pretty spontaneous and

542
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 1: planned and I kind of like it like that, Yeah,

543
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 1: that is a good mix. And I would say we

544
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: have to plan a lot, but we definitely have open

545
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: time and have done things last minute, and certainly, like

546
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: if my older children have you know, last minute made

547
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,199
Speaker 1: plans with friends as sometimes happens, you know, Friday at

548
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: school they talk about wanting to get together on the weekend, Like,

549
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: I will make that happen one way or another. It

550
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 1: can usually be accommodated in the weekend with the way

551
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: things are set up, so I'm often coming up with

552
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: stuff aways ahead of time. If it's things like concert

553
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: tickets or going to see the cherry blossoms, it has

554
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: to be within a certain you know, two week period

555
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,239
Speaker 1: or whatever. What weekend day is going to work for that.

556
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 1: But in general it's in three rounds. So I plan

557
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: my weeks on Fridays. And when I say plan the

558
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: week on Friday, that generally means the next upcoming Monday

559
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: to Sunday week. So that means on Friday, I am

560
00:27:55,760 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 1: planning the weekend loosely, that is eight to nine days ahead,

561
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: if that makes sense to people. So I do one

562
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: round then of sort of generally, what are we planning

563
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: to do that weekend? Are there any big things that

564
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: need to be accommodated, Like are there huge logistical challenges,

565
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: like you know, somebody needs to drive a kid up

566
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 1: to the Pocono's at the same time two other children

567
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: need to be somewhere, and then I need to either

568
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: find another driver or whatever it is I have to do.

569
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: So that's the broad outline of what the weekend will

570
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: look like. I probably check in then during the week

571
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: if there's anything that is come up or needs to

572
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 1: be changed, probably like Wednesday, I try to have a

573
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: slightly more firm idea of what is happening. And then

574
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: Friday is the last check in again if there's any

575
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: other things that have come in or the final plan happens,

576
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: and that is when I normally send the weekend email

577
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: to Michael. The weekend email. I think I started doing

578
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: this because you were doing this. I was doing it

579
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: for a long time, and the irony is I have

580
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: stopped doing it because I haven't. It's on our whiteboard,

581
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: like the main things, and then the other things which

582
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: I used to put in there, I feel like they've

583
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: become so repetitive that I don't need to anymore. Yeah, well,

584
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: so ours has been enough varied that I kind of

585
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: do need to send it. And sometimes there's been some

586
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: tension of like has my email been read? Has my

587
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: email not only been read but committed like scripture to heart,

588
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: like because I do not enjoy being asked at nine

589
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: point thirty in the morning like hey, who needs to

590
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: be where when I'm like, no, no, no. It was

591
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: in the email, which we have studied and committed to

592
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: memory that said, I know it sounds like I'm a

593
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: bit of a task master with it, but I would

594
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: say the weekend, my husband is going to get to

595
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: do a long run. He is usually going to get

596
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: to do it in the afternoon, which is when he

597
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:54,959
Speaker 1: wants to do it, Like he doesn't want to get

598
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: up at six am to run, and he's not going

599
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: to have to Like I've put this in one way

600
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: or another. He wants to go to the gym, I

601
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: will have put in time for him to go to

602
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: the gym. Ideally he would be taking our you know,

603
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: teen boys with him, but he you know, if they

604
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: don't want to go, they don't have to, and so

605
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: that's also his time. So he gets those things in

606
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: anything else that has been sent to me like that

607
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: want you know, wants to happen if we're like we've

608
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: gotten together with like some of his colleagues or something,

609
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: or you know or whatever else he's put in. He

610
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: took some of the big kids to go see The

611
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: Princess Bride. Our local orchestra was playing the score like

612
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: while they were screating the movie, so he took that

613
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: to that a few weeks ago and put that in

614
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: those So anyway, what I'm saying is like, I manage

615
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: the schedule and it has to happen as I say it,

616
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: but there are going to be things that other people

617
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: want to do in it, so so he had best

618
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: read it. No, there's there's things like I'm thinking about it.

619
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: I think our whiteboard has actually kind of like taken

620
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: the place. But I used to put things as detailed

621
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: as like I will run this day, you will run

622
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: that day, but we've gotten it. Like for us the

623
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: mornings generally, the unspoken agreement is that I will let

624
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: him sleep in until like a reasonable time, like eight thirty,

625
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: and then I get to go run like and it's like,

626
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: it's because it's so stereotyped in the same I haven't

627
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: needed to put it in an email. It might be

628
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: a good idea to do the email sometimes though, because

629
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: I actually feel like, if anything, he sometimes gets the

630
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: shaft in terms of like having specific things planned it.

631
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: I mean, he gets to sleep in and he's very

632
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: happy that if there's something somebody wants to do, I've

633
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: kind of given up on it, but like if it

634
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: matters to someone, getting that is like its own right.

635
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: You know that's so true. Like I'm not sure he's

636
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: lacking anything that he wants, and he like genuinely enjoys

637
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: having some video game time with our kids in the

638
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: afternoon sometimes, so I feel like he gets a lot there,

639
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: and that's my de Like, yeah, we've just gone to

640
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: a natural rhythm. Hre. I guess we don't need it

641
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: as much. But then I sort of miss it when

642
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: I hear you talk. Yeah, I mean it's work to

643
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: send it. I mean it's certainly not, but I mean

644
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: it's how I can sort of spell out like and

645
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: we have. Then it's reminding me too, Okay, well this

646
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: is what happens next, and this is what happened next,

647
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: And knowing that there is you know that we're all

648
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: going to get to do the things that we wish

649
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: to do, makes it feel a lot better. I Mean,

650
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: I think in many families, one party does do more

651
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: of the planning, and probably many of our listeners listening

652
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: to this may be that person in their relationship. They

653
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: may or may not be, but my general philosophy is

654
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: that if one party is doing more of the planning,

655
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: then the other party probably needs to like cheerfully comply

656
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: with the plan. Now, if you both want to do

657
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: the work of planning, then you can hash that all out.

658
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: But if one party does not really enjoy doing that

659
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: sort of work, or just doesn't feel oriented that way

660
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: or whatever, then then it helps for that party to

661
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: be a little bit more sort of easy going and

662
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: flexible as long as they know that their particular needs

663
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: are going to be met. Yes, so speaking of your

664
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,239
Speaker 1: needs being met, talk a little bit about like what

665
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: you wrote about intentional downtime here, because I think that

666
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about carving out time for ourselves,

667
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: but I think it does help to define specifically what

668
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,959
Speaker 1: that means to you. Is that exercise time, is that

669
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: reading time? Is that calling a friend? Like if you

670
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: find that your weekends are passing by and you don't

671
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: feel like you've got to have a nice time, maybe

672
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,959
Speaker 1: start to get a little specific and like, well, what

673
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: do you wish you had gotten to do for yourself?

674
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: And see if you can check off a couple of

675
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: things on that list. Yeah, I mean thinking through your downtown,

676
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: not that you need to like, you know, block out

677
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: every fifteen minutes, like guy, I'm going to do this now,

678
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: I'm going to do this. But when you are not

679
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: doing something else, what would you prefer to be doing?

680
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: And a lot of people like to make sure they

681
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: have a good book going into the weekend because then

682
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: they will spend the downtime that they have reading that book,

683
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: as opposed to sort of puttering around, resorting the mail pile,

684
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: or whatever it is that you do and you haven't

685
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: thought about it. Maybe it is something like a hobby,

686
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: puzzles you like to do, or gardening, or you know,

687
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: anything along those lines can can definitely help it. But

688
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: just knowing what you would like to do with your

689
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: downtime and encourage you to start doing that when downtime appears,

690
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: as opposed to like la la la, what do I

691
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: want to do? I don't know what do I want

692
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: to do? And then next thing you know, you have

693
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: to drive somebody of soccer and the time is gone

694
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: and you haven't really spent it in a way that

695
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 1: you find particularly rejuvenating. I think, you know, when when

696
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: we are kind of when we have as many responsibilities

697
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,439
Speaker 1: as we do have and have as much going on,

698
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: you do need to be intentional about that time because

699
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: it does exist, Like there's always going to be downtime

700
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: the busiest weekends I ever have, there's always always, always downtime.

701
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: But it's a question of whether you use it in

702
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: a way that makes you notice it and feel like

703
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: it was intentional and rejuvenating, or whether it just kind

704
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: of slips through your fingers like sands through the hourglass

705
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: or TikTok scrolls through the up into the other. Yes,

706
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: exactly that can that can happen too. And also with that,

707
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: if you have chores you need to do or work

708
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: you need to do, I think it helps to be

709
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: intentional about that too. It's kind of hard when you

710
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: know you have something you have to get done and

711
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: you are like trying to do it like a mid

712
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: kid doing everything else. I mean, really, that's the kind

713
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 1: of thing. Like you know you need ninety minutes to work,

714
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: you probably are better off either hiring a sitter or

715
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: having a conversation with your partner about an explicit trade off,

716
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: like you know, I need this ninety minutes to work,

717
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: you need to take the kids, I will trade off

718
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: with something else you know that either you need or

719
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: want to do, and having that time blocked off so

720
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: it's not seeping into everything over the whole weekend. And

721
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 1: the same with choice. I think it helps to have

722
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 1: a chore block, like you know, if you are, for instance,

723
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: cleaning your house, we would obviously encourage our listeners if

724
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: it is possible to sort of outsource some of that.

725
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,240
Speaker 1: But if you are needing to clean the house, for instance,

726
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 1: having an hour where everyone does it and does certain

727
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: things and if it didn't fit in that hour, maybe

728
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: it wasn't that important can keep it from always being

729
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: an option. Yes, yes, tours can bleed to any to

730
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: fill any crack if you let them, but if you

731
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: corral them, you can get a lot done and a

732
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: pretty fine I'm actually always incredibly impressed when my kids

733
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: are motivated, how the three of them can take the

734
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: entire first floor of our house and turn it from

735
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: absolute wreckage to like completely fine in like ten minutes.

736
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: If they're actually properly motivated, which usually means we are

737
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: not letting you watch X y Z until this is

738
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: entirely cleaned up. So yeah, sometimes just having a time

739
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: limit will actually make the work go faster anyway. Yeah, yeah, no,

740
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: it can. And if you are, you know, in the

741
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: mindset of wanting to sort of limit children's screen time,

742
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: I mean that can obviously be the default at any

743
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: point when they aren't doing something else, and I know

744
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: that that tends to be the case around here. We've

745
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: just been trying to sort of have other things happening, like, oh, okay,

746
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: lots of everyone's going to go outside now, and then

747
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: you see what happens when everyone is outside. There was

748
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: quite the fencing war with bamboo from that was picked

749
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: up from various places in the yard, and everybody was

750
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: in on it, like you know, five kids fencing with

751
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: different things at different points. It was. It was something

752
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: it was not again. And everyone still has their eyes.

753
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: Everyone still has their eyes. That's good, amazing. Well, we

754
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 1: did a screen free month and I would recommend it

755
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: if you're looking for a hard reset. And now we're

756
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: kind of back to our time limited screen use, so

757
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: they know not to ask for it before a certain point,

758
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: and that's worked well for us. It gets easier. The

759
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: weather's getting nice around here. Of course, the weather's getting

760
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: worse for Sarah, but she's getting the kids out in

761
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: the morning and that can help to All right, Well,

762
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: that's you know, just how we plan our weekends. Lots

763
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: of things to think about, and I hope people will

764
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: send us your ideas of how you you know, what

765
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: your template is of a realistic, ideal weekend. We'd love

766
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 1: to hear that. If you get any ideas from this episode,

767
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: please let us know about that too. So the question

768
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: for this week, shall I read it? Or did you? Yes?

769
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 1: Go for it? You're the good summer summarize edit down quickly.

770
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: So this listener had been listening to this podcast for

771
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: a while and had read Off the Clock, which is

772
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 1: relevant for the question in just a minute. She's her

773
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 1: early forties, married with two children, been in the same

774
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: career thirteen years, has been contemplating some changes. Something she

775
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: has drawn to is writing and has been thinking about

776
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: launching a blog and eventually writing a book. So in

777
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: Off the Clock, I talk about how Sarah went down

778
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: to an eighty percent work schedule. This was a couple

779
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: of years ago for our listeners to make time for blogging.

780
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: In the podcast, she says that sounds amazing. I was

781
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: thinking of looking into working four days a week, which

782
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: she could swing financially and not lose the benefits and

783
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: have one day off for blogging or whatever else I

784
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: want to do. However, she notes that if she hangs

785
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: in for another three more years, they would have their

786
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: mortgage paid off, at which point she might potentially have

787
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: more flexibility, So she's not sure what to do. She

788
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: has a very back and forth relationship with her current career,

789
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: loves the people, sometimes the work, working with a career

790
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: coach to figure it out, and if we recommend going

791
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: to four days a week, any advice for approaching the

792
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: employer about that. So, Sarah this plan makes me kind

793
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: of nervous the way she talks about her maybe blog situation,

794
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,919
Speaker 1: because I wonder if she's I don't know. I can't

795
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: tell what she means by that, or whether this is

796
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: like a work thing or just a passion project. And

797
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 1: if it's a work thing, it doesn't sound like a

798
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: viable work thing to me, to be completely honest, because

799
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: I've only been writing a blog for seventeen years and

800
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: it still does not pay any bills. Really, So I

801
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: guess I don't know. I think this person, I think

802
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: the career coaching sounds great because she can delineate specifically

803
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: what she is looking to achieve with building this hobby.

804
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: I mean, if she is trying to go down to

805
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: eighty percent merely because she wants more space in her

806
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: life and to have more fun on her days off

807
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: and that she feels like that's enough for her from

808
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: a work perspective, I think that's completely valid. I get

809
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 1: a little nervous about, like I think I might do

810
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,720
Speaker 1: a blog, and like maybe that they're not realistic ideas

811
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: as to what that might bring to her with one

812
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: day a week off to play with and starting something

813
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 1: new from scratch at this juncture. Yeah, I would say

814
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: that you should start the blog now, because if you're

815
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: not going to maintain the blog, even if you're working

816
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: five days a week, you won't magically do it at

817
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 1: four either. It's a habit in its own right, and

818
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: it has to be something that you truly want to

819
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: do and we'll get on the schedule of doing and

820
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,439
Speaker 1: that you sort of feel intrinsically motivated to do, because

821
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: if you don't like, you just won't stick with it.

822
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: Like there's you know, people start blogs all the time

823
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: thinking like either it's going to make the money or

824
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: get them a million readers every night, neither of which

825
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: is going to happen in the vast majority of cases.

826
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 1: But this is something you can totally do around everything

827
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,439
Speaker 1: else in your life. And if you do it while

828
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 1: working five days a week and it's great and it's

829
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: going wonderfully and you know what's you know, this is

830
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: like the most exciting part of your life, Well, then

831
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: you can start thinking about it, Like then, you know,

832
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: maybe it does make sense to do an eighty percent schedule,

833
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: But given how flexible blogging is, I think it would

834
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: be better to establish the habit first and then make

835
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: sure that this is something you want to do, and

836
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: then you can talk about actually creating more of the

837
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: space for doing it. Yeah. I'm worried too. I see

838
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 1: a lot of people like I want to quit my

839
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: job and write like you do, like it's still a job. Yeah,

840
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: it's still a job still, and you have to I

841
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: guess you, yeah you have. Yeah, this person just needs

842
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: a little more thought. I see nothing wrong with going

843
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: on to eighty percent just to go to eighty pars.

844
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: That's what you want to want, the space in your

845
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: life you want Fridays to hang out in the playground

846
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: with your kids, Like, if that's what you want, Like,

847
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 1: that's completely valid. But the eighty percent to nebulously start

848
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: a blog, that part is the part. Yeah, now, I'm

849
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 1: because I can see it just I mean partly, like

850
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,280
Speaker 1: blogging needs to happen a couple times a week anyway,

851
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: so unless she's like I got this schedule where she's

852
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: doing all her posts for the week on Friday, like

853
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: it just doesn't have to be done like on the

854
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: on the one day a week thing. And I think

855
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: your reasons for going to eighty percent were not just

856
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: the blog and the podcast either. Now, no, no, I

857
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: think it was actually I was eighty percent before the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I mean because you were pregnant with Genevieve and you

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Speaker 1: were sort of anticipating even you know, with the I

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Speaker 1: just wanted more space in my life. I felt that

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Speaker 1: there was a little bit of I don't know, like

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Speaker 1: it was feeling too mundane to do the same thing

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Speaker 1: every day, and I wanted a little more time with family,

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Speaker 1: a little more time for myself, and I felt it

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Speaker 1: was financially feasible to do so and wouldn't be a

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Speaker 1: bad problematic from a career perspective, and so I did it.

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Speaker 1: So that was more my reasoning. It certainly wasn't the blog.

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Speaker 1: I mean again, I've been there's nothing that's changed that

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Speaker 1: much about my blogging habits since two thousand and four,

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Speaker 1: and I've been full time either in school a residency,

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Speaker 1: you're working for most of that time. So it certainly

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Speaker 1: wasn't for that specifically. Yeah, like, if you want to

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Speaker 1: work eighty percent, then work eighty percent. If that's you know, yes,

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Speaker 1: one exactly, all right. So love of the week mine

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Speaker 1: is we have some woods near the house that I've

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Speaker 1: been doing daily walks in as my intent to get

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Speaker 1: more sort of physical activity in the afternoon when I

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Speaker 1: often need a little pick me up. And it's really

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Speaker 1: fun when you do walk in sort of the same

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Speaker 1: place every day to see the seasonal changes, to see

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Speaker 1: as the kind of carpet of greens starts creeping up,

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Speaker 1: as the mist of green takes over the trees, and

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Speaker 1: it's just going anywhere sort of daily in the natural

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Speaker 1: world and seeing the changes. It just really makes you

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Speaker 1: appreciate sort of the wonder of the seasons, which is,

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Speaker 1: you know, something in a place with four seasons that

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Speaker 1: I really do appreciate. Winter is hard, but it does

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Speaker 1: make up for some of the rest of the year.

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Speaker 1: So my episode with kristin the frug Girl has not

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Speaker 1: aired yet as we're recording this, but I have to

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Speaker 1: laugh because your Love the Week is like exactly what

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Speaker 1: her love of the Week was, So that was awesome.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I get it. It is beautiful. Mine is

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Speaker 1: totally different, but it is what the phenomenon where you

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Speaker 1: pre order a book because you're excited about it and

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Speaker 1: then you completely forget about it and then it just

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Speaker 1: arrives and you're like, oh my god, I forgot about this.

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Speaker 1: So I got Emily Saint John Mendel's Sea of Tranquility

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Speaker 1: my radar. So it was just such a fun surprise

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Speaker 1: that I had from past you to future you exactly. Hey,

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Speaker 1: if anyone wants to order pre order Tranquility by Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: it will magically show up in October and you can.

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Speaker 1: You could order them both. They both have the word facility.

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Speaker 1: It's a good word. It's a good word. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: I always like to have one novel and one nonfiction,

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Speaker 1: so I think that would be an excellent pairing. All right, well,

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Speaker 1: this has been best in both worlds. We've been talking

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Speaker 1: about how to plan weekends, how to think about in

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Speaker 1: the question, thinking about whether to go to an eighty

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Speaker 1: percent schedule to make time for us, the things. We

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Speaker 1: will be back next week with more on making work

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Speaker 1: and life fit together. Thanks for listening. You can find

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Speaker 1: me Sarah at the shoebox dot com or at the

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Speaker 1: Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, and you can find me Laura

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Speaker 1: at Laura vandercam dot com. This has been the best

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Speaker 1: of both worlds podcasts. Please join us next time for

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Speaker 1: more on making work and life work together.