1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to How the Money. I'm Joel and I am 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: Matt's and today we're talking blue collar work and how 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: it can generate more wealth with Ken Rusk. I guess 4 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 1: today is Ken Rusk. Ken. He specializes in mentoring and 5 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: has coached hundreds of young people in goal setting, life visualization, 6 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: career paths, and some sound financial planning as well. He 7 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: is passionate about helping folks achieve their dreams regardless of 8 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: their educational background and and now with his recently published 9 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: book Blue Collar Cash, Ken explains that blue collar trades 10 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: are a source of pride and how you can find 11 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: your version of happiness by pursuing a good old fashioned craft. 12 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: Our economy is in desperate need of skilled trades people 13 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: and we are pumped to talk about that as well. Ken, 14 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: thank you for joining us here on the podcast. Great guys, 15 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 1: thanks for having me. I really appreciate it. Hey, We're 16 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: glad to have you Ken. And the first question we 17 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: ask everybody that comes on the show, Matt and I 18 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: we love craft beer. We're drinking one now. It's it's 19 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: something that we do. We're willing to spend extra money 20 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: on great beers. You know, while we're intentionally saving and 21 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: investing for the future. So like, what's your splurge, what's 22 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: your craft beer equivalent? Well, you know, it's funny because 23 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: I I'm I'm a golfer and I really love the 24 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: game of golf, and I have a bunch of buddies 25 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: and we traveled around the country playing it from great 26 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: courses and it's just one of those things where invariably 27 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: I have to come home with a golf shirt. And 28 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I probably have way too many 29 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 1: golf shirts in my closet, and every time I come home, 30 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: my wife is like, okay, another golf shirt. So now 31 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: the new rule is if I buy one, I have 32 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,559 Speaker 1: to donate one to somebody else. And that's just fine 33 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: by me. Keep the closet not two packed? Right exactly 34 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 1: where all have you played? Me? What I really to 35 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: ask is have you ever traveled abroad to play? Because 36 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: I hear, you know about folks sometimes taking trips to 37 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: Scotland and you know, playing on some of those old 38 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: courses and it's supposed to be amazing. You know, we 39 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: just got back from Scotland. We we did play the 40 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: old course, and um we played in Ireland and we've 41 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: been all over the place. I mean, it's it's I've 42 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: played in the Caribbean. I've played you know, Pete Die 43 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: courses and Cabos and Lucas and all over the place. 44 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: So it's it's it's just a lot of fun. It's 45 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: kind of a passion of ours, and it just gives 46 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: you one more reason to travel, you know, Yeah, I 47 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: love it alright. Well, can tell us about your your 48 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 1: path into blue collar work? You know, did you go 49 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: to a four year university or did you know early 50 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: on that you weren't interested in that road more traveled? 51 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: You know, it's for me, it was pretty simple. I 52 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: got into working with my hands really early. I started 53 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: digging ditches when I was fifteen years old at a 54 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: company that was located right next to my high school. 55 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: And um, you know, I just always like being outside. 56 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: I like, you know, having my jeans and my boots 57 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: on and you know, my t shirt and going outside 58 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: and just grinding out a good solid day. And I 59 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 1: did landscaping, and I did all kinds of I did hardscaping, 60 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: all kinds of things that that required me to work 61 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: with my hands. And I just really loved the control 62 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: of that. I loved that I could control my input 63 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: and my own output. And and so I tried going 64 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: to college, but it just didn't work for me. And 65 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: so Ken like, what what job was it that made 66 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: you think, I think I'm gonna stick to blue collar 67 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: work for the rest of my life. Like, this isn't 68 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: something that's just fun for now. I like get in 69 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: my hands dirty, but it's something I want to dedicate 70 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: my life too. Well, you know, the the the company 71 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: that um I worked for where we repaired foundations on 72 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: old basements, and it was, you know, it was dirty, 73 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: sloppy work, it was hard work. It was almost like 74 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: one of those micro dirty jobs situations where you're running 75 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: jackhammers and you're breathing in dust and it's it was 76 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: just one of those things. But the greatest part about 77 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: it was it was very lucrative. And you know, I 78 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: tended to do that in the summertime when I was 79 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: in in you know, office school, and in the wintertime 80 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: I worked in the office. And it was really a neat, 81 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 1: neat place to work because no matter what position you had, 82 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: you could kind of control your own income through how 83 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: much how much work you were willing to put in 84 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 1: and bonus programs and incentives and that kind of thing. 85 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: So I just kept earning my way up and and 86 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: and seeing that I could again set my own income levels. 87 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: And it was good because you know, I wanted the 88 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: same things as everybody else did. I wanted, you know, 89 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: my first used car. I wanted to be able to 90 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: take my wife or at my girlfriend at the time 91 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: out to dinner and buy a pizza or whatever the 92 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 1: heck we wanted to do, go to the movies. And 93 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: and it was it was neat because I could work 94 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: and then reward myself, and then I could dream a 95 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: little bit bigger and work and then reward myself. So 96 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 1: I've been with that same company now, um, for you know, 97 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: almost forty years or Okay, So then you know, why 98 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: are you still to believer and more people pursuing blue 99 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: collar work in our society? Well, yeah, I look at 100 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: it this way. I am a huge believer in supply 101 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 1: and demand and and that is then is a a 102 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: power force in our economy that it just can never 103 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: really be denied. And and um, you know, some people 104 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: argue it can, but that's only usually when it's manipulated 105 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 1: one for one reason or another. But for me. You know, 106 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: I I've always kind of been like a contrarian thinker 107 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: when it comes to opportunities. So I looked at the 108 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: fact that you know, nearly everybody um is getting you know, 109 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: corralled into going to college, whether they need to or 110 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: want to, whether they have a specific reason too or not. 111 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: And I always say from the outset guys that I'm 112 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: not an anti college guy. I'm more of an anti 113 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: college is for everybody guy. And and and the reason 114 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 1: is simple. I mean, if you're going to operate on 115 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 1: my knee, or if you're gonna build a building or 116 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 1: engineer something, or if you're going to teach somebody something 117 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: or manage people's money, yeah, you need to know everything 118 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: there is to know about those particular situations. But notwithstanding that, 119 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: there's such an amazing shift towards everybody's got to go 120 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: to school. And and again, I like to be kind 121 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: of contrarian in my in my thinking there when it 122 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: comes to those opportunities, because you know, if if we 123 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 1: are over supplying the market with non specific degrees, and 124 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: what I mean by that is those degrees where people 125 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: just go to school to get something they're never going 126 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: to use, you know, they get really good at beer 127 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 1: pong for four years, but they don't really come out 128 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: with anything that's really solid. If we're gonna oversupply society 129 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: with that, then that means we're undersupplying society with welders 130 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: and plumbers and carpenters and electricians, and so the money 131 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: has to naturally flow that way because we're supply is 132 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: low and demand is high. That's usually where it goes. 133 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: I feel like you're underselling the usefulness of beer pong 134 00:06:54,480 --> 00:07:00,040 Speaker 1: as a light skilled you know, so, uh, just kidding it. 135 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: It seems like too candidate that we put such a 136 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: high priority on high school students. We used to experiencing 137 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: something like shop class when I was in high school, 138 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: even you know, twenty years ago, shop class was kind 139 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: of on its way out, and so working with your 140 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: hands that that's just not something that people even have 141 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: access to as they're growing up in school. So why 142 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: why do you think there's not so much of an 143 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: emphasis on things like shop class or or learning how 144 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: to fix things like as you're growing up these days. Well, 145 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: it's it's real simple. We had this kind of confluence 146 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: of of of three two or three different factors that 147 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: are causing this. So so if you look back into 148 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: the seventies and eighties, they decided to eliminate shop class 149 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: in favor of you know, getting computers in classes. And 150 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: you know, again, we had to learn computers. That's really important, 151 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: I understand that, but not at the expense of of 152 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: shop class, of millions of kids discovering, you know, even 153 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: accidentally how cool carpentry can be, or a mechanics, home economics, whatever. 154 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: And so you know, you couple that with the with 155 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: the situation that now kids instead of you know, going 156 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: in their backyards and building tree forts, you know, they're 157 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: building it on computer screens like with like Minecraft and 158 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:19,239 Speaker 1: stuff like that, so they're not really experiencing the real 159 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: sense of hammering a nail, okay, and or or you know, 160 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: changing the oil in a car or whatever it might be. 161 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: So I think what happens there is if you couple 162 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: those two situations with again this this societal expectation that 163 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: if you don't go to school, you won't amount too much, 164 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: which is crazy on the surface. You kind of have 165 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: this whole stigma that comes out of oh, you know, 166 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: well my kids going to this school, my kids going 167 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: to that school. Well you know her kids just gonna 168 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: be a plumber. Well, okay, let's talk about just gonna 169 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: be a plumber. I know that kid, and that kid 170 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: now has four vans and you know a half a 171 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: dozen guy and he's making a killing doing plumbing. So 172 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: you have to think of it in terms of really 173 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: what you want your life to look like and then 174 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: how to go get it. Yeah, it's it's unfortunate right 175 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: that there is such a stigma around I think some 176 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: of these, some of these trades at least, and it 177 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: makes me too. It makes me wonder when I was 178 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: a kid growing up, we didn't have shop class like 179 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 1: we had tech lab. Shot class was replaced with tech 180 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: lab and it was almost maybe a blend between shop 181 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: class and computers a little bit. But it makes me wonder, 182 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: you know, how different my life could be right now 183 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:33,719 Speaker 1: had I actually gone to shop class. When when you're 184 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: not exposed to some of those things early on, like 185 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: I love what I'm doing now, however, you do kind 186 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: of wonder had you learned different skills early on, what 187 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: kind of effect that would have on you. Well, you know, 188 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,079 Speaker 1: I can tell you that I've I've had some amazing 189 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: feedback from the book and some of it has been surprising. 190 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: I've had emails from people who said, you know, I'm 191 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: stuck in a cubicle. I'm in my mid thirties, what 192 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: do I do? Can you help me? And uh, you know, 193 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: it's it's one of those situations where I look at 194 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: you know, how sorry that situation is. I remember I 195 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: rented a car not too long ago, and this is 196 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: when I first started writing the book, and I had 197 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: to leave this my car at the shop for like 198 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: three weeks because they had a big complicated repair they 199 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: were making under the dashboard. So they sent me to 200 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 1: rent this car. I get to the rental place and 201 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: there's a kid standing behind the counter and he's trying 202 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:25,839 Speaker 1: to put his best foot forward. He's got like three 203 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: different pieces of suits on and and he's he's doing 204 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: the thing. You know, he's really trying to make it work. 205 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: Fifteen minutes into talking to this kid, he's like, you know, 206 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: I'm eighty thousand in debt. I went for just a 207 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: regular old bland business degree. I don't know why I 208 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: did that. Now I'm making, you know, twenty eight thousand 209 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: at this car rental place, and I don't know how 210 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: I'm ever going to pay that off that could have 211 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: been my first house. And I just feel really bad 212 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: for for those situations where people just kind of like 213 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: blindly follow again this societal this new societal norm that 214 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: they that's your only path, because nothing could be further 215 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: from the truth there. Yeah, can I want to ask 216 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:09,839 Speaker 1: you to, um, the how has COVID nineteen impacted maybe 217 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: your advice in regards to people pursuing blue collar work, 218 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: Like have the those blue collar jobs in any way 219 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,839 Speaker 1: been been affected by by the coronavirus and kind of yeah, 220 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: and on your advice for people pursuing blue collar work 221 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 1: in general. This is an amazing, um silver lining if 222 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: there is one, because so many people are staying home 223 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: and they're realizing you know, um, I think part of 224 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: the greatest part about COVID is, you know, now I'm 225 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: seeing kids ride their bikes in the neighborhood and dogs walked, 226 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: and you know, hey, how about that frisbee that we 227 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: used to play with. I mean, those things are being 228 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: thrown around, and you know, backyards are being used, barbecues, whatever, 229 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 1: had whatever you want to do. But the cool thing 230 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: is is families are staying home and they're looking around 231 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: and they're realizing, you know, there's so many things I 232 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 1: could do to make my place better. Right, So now 233 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, those people are realizing, I tried 234 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: to hire a guide to work on my deck and 235 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: he can't get to me for four months. You know, 236 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 1: I tried to get this plumber over here, and he's 237 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: charging me a fortune to come now, but he'll charge 238 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: me less if if I if I wait for ninety days. 239 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: So it's it's insane how how people are coming to 240 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: terms real quickly with man. You know, I got three 241 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: or four kids. There's no way that all of them 242 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: can be meant for school if if, in fact, some 243 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: of them happen to be more tactle type, you know, 244 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: people a gal or or a guy where they would 245 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: rather work with their hands or pursue a skill or 246 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: a craft or something like that. So I think if 247 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: there is a silver lining here, it is anything having 248 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: to do with recreation or repair or improvement or replacement. 249 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: Those things are so hot right now that some of 250 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,959 Speaker 1: these parents are going, you know, maybe we should rethink 251 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: this automatic process of us just going into debt and 252 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: sending you know, kid number two, three and four into college. Yeah, 253 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: so you know, you hinted a little bit about supply 254 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: and demand. So we're gonna take a quick break, but 255 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: after that break, we're gonna talk about the demand for 256 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: these trade jobs. We're gonna talk about the opportunity that's 257 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: there and even to you how much one might be 258 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: able to make. And so we'll get to that right 259 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: after the break. Alright, we're back from break. We're talking 260 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: with Ken Rusk about blue collar work and how it 261 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: can actually generate more wealth and and can um let's 262 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: talk about the opportunity that individuals have with blue collar work, 263 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 1: and let's talk a little bit more about supply and demand. You, um, 264 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: you can you give us some specifics on the supply 265 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: of college graduates and the demand of their industries with 266 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: that of like the supply of blue collar work and 267 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: then the demand for for those killed trades. Can you 268 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: give us any any more specifics on that? Well? Yeah, 269 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: I mean I can point to one example. You know, um, 270 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 1: we are right now at one of the highest most 271 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: record home building periods um in many many years. And 272 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: you know, I personally know of of some large track 273 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 1: home builders that are setting all time records. Well, that 274 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: requires a lot of people doing a lot of things 275 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: with their hands, from from concrete to you know, to fabrication, 276 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: to carpentry, to plumbing, to electricians too ruffers, to landscapers 277 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: to road builders to anything that you can see that 278 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: that creates or build something. You know, they're they're talking 279 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: about they want to put together this new infrastructure stimulus 280 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: bill with with within the government that's gonna put even 281 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: more pressure on a blue collar crisis that already exists. 282 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: So again, you know, it's it's it's it's a funny thing, 283 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: but you actually have finished carpenters now that are making 284 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: more money than family doctors. And guess what they're doing 285 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: it without two fift thousand dollars of college debt that 286 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: will take twenty years to pay off. One of the 287 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: things that I like to talk about is I call it, 288 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: you know, this this asset swing. And it's a real 289 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: simple story. But let's assume I go into college and 290 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: I'm spending forty to fifty thousand a year. Okay, four 291 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: years later, that's what a hundred sixty to two hundred 292 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Right now, I'm paying that money and I'm 293 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: not earning anything at the time. So let's let's Conversely, 294 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: UM talk about a high demand job like UM like carpentry, 295 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: for example, or or plumbing or electricians. So those folks 296 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: are going right into a job that pays them forty 297 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: to fifty dollars a year to start. So four years 298 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: later their asset base is plus two hundred. The other 299 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: guy or gal their asset base is negative two hundred. 300 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: So you're talking about a four hundred thousand dollars swing 301 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: in the first four years of a young person's life. 302 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: That's that's huge when you think about a house, a car, 303 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: starting a you know, you're you're saving these accounts, maybe 304 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: you're four one k. Yeah, that's a big swing. And 305 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: and and I when I whenever I tell that story, 306 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: I get a lot of parents that look at each 307 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: other like, Holy God, what were we thinking? And it's 308 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: just it's just one of those things where it's it's 309 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: the information is right there. I mean, I'm not making 310 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: this up. It's it's right there. You just have to 311 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: look at and really take a good look at you know, 312 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: what am I really doing for my kid in his 313 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: financial future? Yeah? I mean, and like you said, you're 314 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: not against college, right, Like, if if that's something that 315 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: you want to pursue and you know you want to 316 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: pursue it, then yes, higher education is the right answer there. 317 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: But yeah, I agree with you. I think you know, 318 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: blindly kind of going down the path of college and 319 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: not exactly knowing what you want to do, you know, 320 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: and paying a lot of money for that isn't the 321 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: you know, the most wise move. Yeah, and not assessing 322 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: the alternatives, yeah, which is Yeah, that's why we're talking 323 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: with you, Ken. You know, you're you're talking about like 324 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: some of these skill trades, right, you talk about carpentry, 325 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: like an electrician. What other industries are going to need 326 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: more workers here in the future. You call what's currently 327 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: happening in the of her market essentially a crisis, you know, 328 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: in the American workforce, but you also consider the crisis 329 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: to be this golden opportunity for many folks. So yeah, 330 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: can you talk to us more about about this growing 331 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: demand and like specific industries and jobs as well? Well? Sure? 332 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: I mean I can tell you that any anything in energy, 333 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: whether it's um new energy or existing energy. You know, 334 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: you're talking about windmills and solar and and and all 335 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: those kinds of things. Um you're talking about even even 336 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: still natural gas and oil extraction. I mean those those 337 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: things are red hot and out in certain areas of 338 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: the country. You can make a killing doing that. We're 339 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: seeing for welders and mill rights, we're seeing just an 340 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: incredible amounts of money. I know a gal she was 341 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: fighting to get through her two year degree and it 342 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: took her like several years, and she had a couple 343 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 1: of kids and so that interrupted it and whatever, and 344 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: she needed one more class to get over, um, the 345 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: finish line on this two year degree. And and she 346 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: had asked her friend, she says, what should I do here? 347 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: And her friend said, you know, I took this welding class. 348 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: It was a blast. You should you should give it 349 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 1: a shot. And um, So she took this welding class. 350 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: And she was very detailed, and she was very calm, 351 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: and she was very patient, and she was a really 352 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: you know, she was really a good at welding. And 353 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,919 Speaker 1: before she finished the class, she had a job. And 354 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: now she stands on top of three foot windmills and 355 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 1: she she, uh, she's making about a hundred fifty dollars 356 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: a year doing that. And she never thought for a 357 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: second that would be anything she wanted to do. So 358 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: it's incredible. I mean when when you when you think 359 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: of that, you know, we're seeing thirty eight forty two, 360 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: forty six fifty two an hour for you know, electricians, plumbers, welders, um, carpenters, 361 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 1: and those are the people that are just working within 362 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: some other company. I mean, if you know, Lord knows that, 363 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: if if you find a way to maybe get busy 364 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: enough and you have a couple of people working for you, 365 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: well then you know, the sky's the limit at that point. 366 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 1: Now you're talking about you know, big money there. Yeah. Yeah, 367 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: in in your book, can you mention that some plumbers 368 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: in Atlanta coming straight out of tech school or making 369 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: ninety dollars a year? Yeah, I was like, wow, okay, 370 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: all right, so that's pretty good. Yeah, that's pretty insane. Um. 371 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: And obviously there are lots of blue collar workers who 372 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 1: make less than doctors and lawyers. You kind of made 373 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: that distinction. But but what sets apart the blue collar 374 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 1: workers who end up being able to make higher salaries 375 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: from the ones who end up having a career where 376 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: they where they make more of like an average income. Well, 377 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:34,679 Speaker 1: you know, that's that's the first three chapters. Because to me, 378 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: what what what sets people apart. Is what I call 379 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,719 Speaker 1: the entrepreneurial spirit of spirit. And you can be an 380 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 1: entrepreneurial employee for somebody else as well. But whenever I think, 381 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 1: and this is what I do when I coach people. 382 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 1: One of the first things that I talked about is, 383 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: you know, why are you here? Why are you working? 384 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 1: What's your endgame look like? And they look at you 385 00:19:55,240 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: like you know you're from Mars when you asknet you live? Really, 386 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 1: I literally get them to draw it out. I will 387 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 1: tell you that I've I've had many many people in 388 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: my in my day, I get a white post board 389 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: in a box of Crayola crans, you know, the old 390 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: sixty or four box of Creola crans, and I have them, 391 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: I have them draw out what they want their life 392 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: to look like. And I'm talking about are you a 393 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 1: house person, a condo person, an apartment person in the city. 394 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: Are you a pickup truck person or a minivan person 395 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: or electric car person? You know, let's get some detail here. 396 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: Are you a a dog person or a cat person? 397 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: And if so, what kind of dog and what would 398 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: you name it? What's your hobbies look like? What's your 399 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 1: give back moment look like? To society, draw all that out. 400 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: You know, what are your vacations feel like to you? 401 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 1: And then you create that old that that that that 402 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 1: puzzle of nirvana that you would really want to go after. 403 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: And I can tell you, guys that to the person, 404 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: once they get that picture completed in their mind, they 405 00:20:53,920 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 1: begin to discover all the entrepreneurial characteristics like perseverance and 406 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: and you know, resilience and uh and morals and character 407 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: and all those things that you know, drive and and um, 408 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: all the things that you need to become an entrepreneur. 409 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: It's almost like those characteristics are just buried in your 410 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 1: closet behind the shoes you haven't worn in a long time. Yeah, 411 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: they're stuck behind the golf shirts. And and it's amazing 412 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: the evolution of the human of the human mind when 413 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: someone sees exactly where they're going, because then the entrepreneurial 414 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: spirit kicks in and they basically look at you and say, hey, 415 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: thanks for the training. Can I just get out of 416 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: my way and let me go do it? And I 417 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 1: can tell you that that sets them apart is is 418 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: people that that know what they want from their life. 419 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: They have their comfort, peace and freedom, picture all drawn 420 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:51,360 Speaker 1: out and those that don't, those that just live for Friday. Yeah, 421 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: I mean. So on how the money. We often talk 422 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: about the why behind your money, and I think sometimes 423 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: folks might be tired of hearing us talk about that, 424 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: but we feel it is so important to identify that 425 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: why because once you have that purpose, once you have 426 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: something that you're working towards, like, you figure everything else out, 427 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: like all the details, all the nuts and bolts kind 428 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: of fall into place, and you figure out how it 429 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: is that you want to achieve, you know, the vision 430 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: that you have for your future. So those goals of 431 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,439 Speaker 1: saving and investing more become less onerous, less burden some 432 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: and they're more like they're freeing. It's like, oh, yeah, 433 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: I'm doing that because it's for me, you know, as 434 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 1: opposed to because some financial person and somebody who thinks 435 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: about money a lot told me that I should. You know, 436 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,479 Speaker 1: we could go on with this particular part for hours. 437 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,360 Speaker 1: Because one of the things that I try to do 438 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: um with anyone, especially young people that that I meet with, 439 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: is I try to get the retirement part of their 440 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 1: life out of the way. And what I mean by 441 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,479 Speaker 1: that is if somebody walks up to you or you're 442 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 1: going to an interview and some or someone says, Hey, 443 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna pay you forty five tho dollars a year 444 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 1: to do this job. The first thing I want you 445 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: to say is thank you for paying me forty two 446 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: thous dollars a year, because I want you to eliminate 447 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 1: that first three thousand from your mind. You never had it, 448 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 1: you never got it. It was never in your paycheck, 449 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: you never saw it, you never experienced it. So therefore 450 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 1: you can't spend it. Because if you take the first 451 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: sixty bucks of your money and throw it into a 452 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 1: four oh one K when you're twenty one, by the 453 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: time you're thirty one, you can stop saving money and 454 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: have over a million dollars in your four o one 455 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: K account. So imagine being twenty one and sitting at 456 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: the bar with your buddy and you're sharing, you know, 457 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: a couple of beers, and you look over to him 458 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: and you say, yeah, I'm twenty one. My retirement is covered, 459 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: it's spoken for, it's done. I mean, your light years 460 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 1: ahead of everybody else on the planet who frets saving 461 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: for retirement almost their entire life. Yeah, that's true. When 462 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 1: you think of the power of young money. It's it's 463 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: really insane, you know, how how you can make those 464 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: things happen for yourself and just not even think about 465 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: it anymore. And this is simple, This is simple stuff 466 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: that it's so intensely powerful that it amazes me that 467 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 1: they don't teach this stuff school. Yeah, I agree, it's 468 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: um I think. Yeah. A lot of our listeners have 469 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 1: reached out and they're like, man, I've never I've never 470 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: heard some of these things, like some of the things 471 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: that that Matt and I talked about on the show 472 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 1: what or what two seventy episodes in and it's like, 473 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: it's just a shame that that people that there's no 474 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 1: shop class in school, and that there's no personal finance 475 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 1: class in school. Um hey, can we have so many 476 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 1: more questions for you that we want to get to, 477 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: including like how people make that transition into a skilled 478 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: trade or into blue collar work. And we'll get to 479 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 1: a few of those questions right after this break. Al Right, 480 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: we are back from the break and we are talking 481 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: with Can Rusk, author of Blue Collar Cash and Can 482 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,439 Speaker 1: we've been talking about kind of how the world sees 483 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 1: blue collar work. We've talked about now the opportunity that 484 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: exists out there right just how I think many many 485 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,239 Speaker 1: more folks need to consider a skilled trade over just 486 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: blindly going to college. Let's talk now a about how 487 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: to kind of make that happen. You know, you you 488 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: touched a little bit on just some the different degrees 489 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: from the different programs that you need to take in 490 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: order to partake in some of these skilled trades. What 491 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: does that normally look like? You know, what are the 492 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 1: education requirements for a lot of these jobs? Like, obviously 493 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: you don't need that four year degree, but you know, 494 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 1: do you need to attend like a two year trade 495 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: school typically? Well, you know, it's it's it's funny because 496 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: on my Facebook page, you know, we have um a 497 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: long discussion, We've had it for for years now about 498 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: you know, the best ways to do this, And every 499 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: time I put up the question, you know, is it 500 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: better to go to a tech school or to an apprenticeship? 501 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: It's crazy the amount of engagement that I get on 502 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 1: that question from oh my god, is it ever? I 503 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: can tell you it appears though that the apprenticeship wins. 504 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: And and I'll tell you why, um and and both 505 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: of these pasts are perfectly correct just so you know, 506 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: but because there's such a demand for anyone who's willing 507 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 1: to put down their their game boy and and pick 508 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: and pick up a hammer. Um, once you find an 509 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: individual like this as a boss, you tend to throw 510 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 1: everything you have at that person in like a really 511 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: concentrated way. So instead of taking maybe you know, seven 512 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 1: or eight years to to learn and get good at something, 513 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: you can accomplish that same goal in just a couple 514 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: of thousand, maybe three or four thousand hours. And so 515 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: there there's a lot of people that say, jump right in, 516 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 1: you know, find someone that's good at what they're doing, 517 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: and just you know, glean everything you can off of 518 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: somebody like that. And one of the reasons that is 519 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 1: is because you know, the other issue that we have 520 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 1: is the skilled tradesmen are beginning to retire, tradesmen and 521 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: trades women. And you know, for every five electricians that 522 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: retires right now, only one is coming on board to 523 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: replace them. So and this is going to create even 524 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 1: more pressure on that industry. So yeah, it's a good 525 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,360 Speaker 1: idea to go to school, to go to a tech school. Um, 526 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: if you're gonna do something really detailed, real specific, like 527 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: electrical work, that kind of thing, UM, welding, that kind 528 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: of thing. If you're doing something more handsy where you're 529 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's more of like a carpenter trade 530 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: or uh you know, brick laying or stonemasonry work that 531 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: kind of thing. You know you can do a little 532 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 1: more apprentice work with that, and um, you know it's 533 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: it's insane. I have a guy that um that worked 534 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: on an outdoor grill area in my house and he 535 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: works with with hand cut stone. He's an artist. It's 536 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: amazing to watch this guy work. And just to give 537 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: you an opport, an idea on the opportunity, here's the 538 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: guy that shows up in my my art every every 539 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: day with his brand new pickup truck and he comes 540 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: out with his jeans and his work boots and his 541 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: T shirt and he's he's got his coffee in his hand, 542 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: he's got led Zepplin cranked up really loud, and he's 543 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: got his three or four people that come to work 544 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 1: with them, and they build these amazing pieces of art, 545 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 1: whether it's stone fences or gates or kitchens or whatever. 546 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,439 Speaker 1: And this guy wants to retire. He's making north of 547 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: um six figures in a big way like not just 548 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: a hundred, he's making north the two and he does 549 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: no one to leave this company too. Wow. So so 550 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: you just imagine this guy. I had to wait six 551 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: months for this guy. You just imagine the reputation and 552 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: the work that this guy has and the list of 553 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: customers that are constantly calling him back to do more, 554 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 1: more stuff. And if you were, you know, a bright 555 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: eyed young guy or gal that said, hey, you know 556 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: what I'm I think I see an opportunity here. You 557 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: could work with this guy for a couple of years 558 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: and take over his company and have your life set 559 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: for you. So and that's happening all over the place. 560 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: I hear that story all the time. Yeah, and various 561 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: different industries, right right, Yeah, I think we're all four. 562 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: We could like the idea of jumping into something, jumping 563 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 1: in the deep end, immediately making some money, even if 564 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: you're not making a lot. But it's man, it feels 565 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: so good to not have to fork out a lot 566 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: of money for education. But that being said, you know 567 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: you mentioned house of these skills like they do require 568 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: some specialized training. What is the what is the range 569 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: of costs on some of these different programs that folks 570 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: and you go to is it is it all over 571 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: the board or yeah? Is it within like a tighter 572 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: range than we would think. Yeah, it's it's typically for 573 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: I read the other day that a lot of these 574 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: these tech schools are between eight and twelve, sometimes thirteen 575 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year to get that done. But here's 576 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: the difference. The difference is when you're going to these places, 577 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: you're also working, and so you're making money at the 578 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: same time while you're doing this, and you can work. 579 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: You can work a lot of hours while you're in 580 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: some of these schools, So it's kind of a school 581 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: and work combination in many cases. So it's not like 582 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: you're you know, you're you're going to Uncle Sam and 583 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: borrowing all this money for for for this these classes 584 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: that you're never gonna have to repay because you don't 585 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: have to think about, you know, some of these people 586 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: then they go to school, they're they're also borrowing room 587 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: and board and the borrowing meal plans and everything else. 588 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: But you don't have to you don't have to do 589 00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: that in this case. So it's it's it's a much 590 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: much slimmer way to get through an education. And then 591 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: get right to work making some really good money. So 592 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: ken for our younger listeners who haven't really started their 593 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: career yet, or for the parents of like late middle school, 594 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: high school kids, and they're like, oh man, they're good 595 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,719 Speaker 1: with their hands, they really enjoy building stuff. What are 596 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: the next steps to getting started right? We've talked about 597 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: trade schools, but but what are the what are the 598 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: best ways for for these the younger generation. If they're like, man, 599 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: that sounds good and I want to avoid the debt. 600 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: I see how bad things have gotten for my peers 601 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: who have graduated college with tons of debt and then 602 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: don't have a job lined up. How do they get 603 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: started in the blue in a blue collar career. Well, 604 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: you know that this is this is probably one of 605 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: the most heartening um kind of feedback that I've gotten 606 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: um from the book, because what's happening is parents are 607 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: reading this book and then they're they're reading it first, 608 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: and they're giving it to their kids to read, and 609 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 1: they're having these amazing conversations, honest conversations from their kids 610 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: that they wouldn't have had otherwise, because it just opens 611 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: up a whole new line of thinking. That is, you 612 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,719 Speaker 1: know that is anti the typical societal norm of just 613 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: corralling people through. So in that situation, I think what 614 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: you do is is real simple. You get either part 615 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,479 Speaker 1: time jobs or you get summer jobs in in areas 616 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: that you have some interest. You know, if if you 617 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: leave my office and go the two miles to the 618 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: three way, you're gonna pass you know, forty help wanted signs. 619 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: So you have the ability to job shop like you've 620 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: never had before, especially if you're willing to do something 621 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: and work with your hands and be outside and do 622 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: those kinds of things. So you can always be a 623 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: very an intern or a very part time apprentice for 624 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: you know, carpentry, plumbing, electrical, any of those types of 625 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: trades and just just immerse yourself in it and see 626 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: if any of those things grab your attention. Okay, that's 627 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: a really good way to do it. Another thing that's 628 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: gaining gaining steam and popularity are these gap years where 629 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: instead of jumping right into school, you tend to take 630 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: a little time off and you experience some of these 631 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: things and see if there's anything out there that that 632 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: really that hits you. But I can tell you if 633 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: you spend any time around a construction site or any 634 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: time even in in in some of these manufacturing places 635 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: where they make these cool things. There's just there's just 636 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: this way of you kind of understanding and kind of 637 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: almost your mind draws itself to what you might be 638 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: good at and and and the problem is is that 639 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: only you know what you could be good at, only 640 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: you know what you were meant to be, Only you know, um, 641 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: what your life could look like. So if you pair 642 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: up I always call it this way, instead of waiting 643 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: for life to happen to you, you have to happen 644 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: to life. So I think if you can find a 645 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 1: vocational passion and pair that up with with some really 646 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: great opportunities that are out there right now, um, you're 647 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: gonna have your true value, your true comfort, peace and freedom, 648 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: that's for sure. Ken Like several times there, you know, 649 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: when you're talking about folks considering blue collar trades. You know, 650 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: you say, a guy or a gal, can you speak 651 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: specifically to what it looks like for a woman to 652 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: enter the blue collar world? What do you think are 653 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: the best opportunities for women in the blue collar space. 654 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: You know, I've had the opportunity to interview three or 655 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: four gals that they have done just that. One of 656 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: them was a YouTube influencer, and UM, you know, there's 657 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: a heck of a lot of that going on. You know, 658 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: I don't know much about it. It's kind of the 659 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: wild West, but there's a whole lot of um incubator 660 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: businesses that are happening um on the internet and um 661 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: and again those are things that people start right out 662 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: of their houses, um and and and they've done some 663 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: just amazing things. I've talked to some influencers who you 664 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: just can't even believe what they're doing. The other gal 665 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 1: that I mentioned earlier was the welder. I mean, you know, 666 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: women seem to have patients that men don't have in detail, 667 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: so when it comes to welding, that's a really really 668 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: sought after characteristic. And I think there's all kinds of 669 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: opportunities in that particular space. And once again, you can 670 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: even see some some gal welders on the internet, and 671 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: we've built these whole communities around what they're doing. It's 672 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: it's really cool. I I UM. I interviewed a gal 673 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: who left a waitress job to start selling bread for 674 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 1: a bread baker. He retired and now she built She 675 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: built her own um bread store where she's now baking 676 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: two thousand loaves a week for the local businesses around 677 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 1: um And and she had no skills, no education whatsoever. 678 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 1: And then another gal. You know, one of the things 679 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 1: that I talked a lot about is be willing to 680 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: do things that other people aren't. Okay, Um, this gal, 681 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: believe it or not, started driving a gravel truck, a 682 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 1: dump truck, and now she's got twelve trucks. She runs 683 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 1: her own gravel truck company and she's killing it. And 684 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: I just I just love it because here's this, here's 685 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: this really nice, petite gal with his hard hat on, 686 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 1: and she stands in front with her arms crossed in 687 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,360 Speaker 1: front of her fleet of these huge twelve ken Where's 688 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 1: that she's got? And it's just a really awesome photo. 689 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 1: And I'm just so I'm so proud of her. But 690 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: you gotta remember this. If there's a shortage of blue 691 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: collar workers, and most people typically think of that as 692 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: a male dominated industry, then if you're if you're a 693 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:12,879 Speaker 1: gal and you're willing to do it, man, you can 694 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: write your own ticket right now. You're probably gonna stand 695 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: out absolutely. Yeah, Yeah, that's cool. Hey, can I know too, 696 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 1: that we have a lot of listeners who are work 697 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: in a desk job and maybe they're working from home 698 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: right now, and maybe they're even making decent money, but 699 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 1: they're also a lot of people are just tired of it. 700 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 1: And you know, just the way you feel working in 701 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 1: front of a computer for eight to ten hours a day, 702 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 1: right and blue collar work, especially after this conversation, might 703 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 1: start to sound more appealing. So so how do you 704 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: suggest people who feel that poll start to make that transition? 705 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 1: You know, what one of the things that you can 706 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: do um nowadays that you couldn't do years ago. You know, 707 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 1: if you're trying to open your own company years ago, 708 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: you know it required accountants and lawyers and you know 709 00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,120 Speaker 1: bookkeeping and you know pieces of graph paper and pencil 710 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 1: and all that other adding machines and all that. Well, 711 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,319 Speaker 1: now you know you can run your own business off 712 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: of a cell phone. That has made it the barrier 713 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: to entry just kind of disappear for a lot of people. 714 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: So what I've seen a lot of which I think 715 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,359 Speaker 1: is really cool, is almost like a transitioning from the 716 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,799 Speaker 1: cubicle to being your own your own boss. And what 717 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: I've seen, like I'll give you a great example. There's 718 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:27,879 Speaker 1: an entire community out there that does woodworking and they 719 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: build and they build furniture, they build tables, they reclaim 720 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 1: old barns, they work with wood and they love it. 721 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 1: And what they did is they took like a weekend 722 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 1: hobby and they turned it into a side hustle and 723 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 1: they literally started and I'm talking about hundreds of different 724 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: people here, not just not just a few. They have 725 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,360 Speaker 1: a community now. And you know, one guy is building 726 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 1: these amazing you know, river tables with with lacquer in 727 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: them and they're just gorgeous. And another one is doing 728 00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 1: rocking chairs, another one's doing this and doing that. But 729 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 1: what they did was, you know, they got on the internet, 730 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,239 Speaker 1: they built themselves a website, they put these products out there, 731 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 1: they sold them on the weekends, and then slowly they 732 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 1: transitioned away from their day job to just doing this 733 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 1: wood working for a living. And again why because no 734 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: one else is doing it and there's demand for it. 735 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,239 Speaker 1: So you know, I think, I think if you're sitting 736 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 1: in a in a cubicle right now wondering, or you 737 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,880 Speaker 1: have a weekend hobby or a skill or a craft 738 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,319 Speaker 1: that you really like, you might want to try that 739 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: slow transition away from what you're doing and getting that 740 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: side hustle to be lucrative enough that that it can 741 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 1: support you and what you need to do. Yeah. I 742 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: love that it doesn't necessarily have to be a hard transition, 743 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,359 Speaker 1: you know, like a clear mark where Okay, I used 744 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 1: to be an attorney, but now I paint watercolors, you know, 745 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,799 Speaker 1: Like it doesn't need to be this dramatic thing, you know, 746 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,319 Speaker 1: or not water colors. But yeah, now I'm a stonemason. 747 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,400 Speaker 1: I like how it truly can be something that is 748 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,360 Speaker 1: more transitional. And that's something too that you can do 749 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,359 Speaker 1: when you have put yourself in a good position financially. Right. 750 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: Uh So, if you have taken those steps early on 751 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 1: to make sure that your tirement is going to be 752 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,760 Speaker 1: in a good place, there is a little less pressure 753 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,280 Speaker 1: to continue down that professional path that might be causing 754 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,360 Speaker 1: you so much stress or literally sitting at a desk, 755 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 1: you know, for eight hours, like Joel talked about, like 756 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,959 Speaker 1: that like might literally be killing you and instead being 757 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,919 Speaker 1: able to get outside would just do so much for yourself. Yeah, 758 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,279 Speaker 1: and this is a really important point. And if you know, 759 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,920 Speaker 1: for the for the listeners out there, one of the 760 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,880 Speaker 1: things that you have to make sure that you do 761 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,759 Speaker 1: if you're going to do this, is you have to 762 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 1: turn this from a Sunday goal into a two day goal. 763 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 1: I mean, this is something that you need to say, Okay, 764 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna start working on this right now, and you 765 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 1: need to give yourself a finite amount of time to 766 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,240 Speaker 1: make that happen. Like let's assume you say, okay, I'm 767 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:47,400 Speaker 1: gonna transition over four years. Okay, so now you're working 768 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,360 Speaker 1: from four years from now backward towards today. So you 769 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 1: literally have you know, two hundred weeks to figure out 770 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,839 Speaker 1: um from where that transition ends and you're in your 771 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 1: new career back up all the way to today, and 772 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 1: what little mini goals you have to hit along the 773 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 1: way to make that happen. You mentioned financially, you mentioned, 774 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,880 Speaker 1: you know, product wise, you mentioned the marketing wise, setting 775 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 1: up your company, getting the website done, and just working 776 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,520 Speaker 1: yourself back to now, you know, setting up weekend places 777 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,800 Speaker 1: where you can sell these crafts or these these products 778 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,439 Speaker 1: wherever that might be, and work your way from four 779 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 1: years or three years or five years whatever you want 780 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 1: it to be, working that backwards towards today. So you 781 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,640 Speaker 1: have a really clear begin date and end date and 782 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,880 Speaker 1: an absolutely path to get there. Otherwise this would just 783 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 1: be one of those frustrations that kind of haunts you 784 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 1: for the next tent or fifteen years that you never 785 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,920 Speaker 1: really get done. Well, can that's some awesome practical advice 786 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 1: to wrap this conversation up. Thank you so much for 787 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 1: joining us today. And where can our listeners find out 788 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 1: more about you and what you're up to? Well, if 789 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 1: you go to um ken rust dot com that's Ken 790 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,399 Speaker 1: Rusk dot com. You can see what we're doing there. 791 00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 1: You can also go to uh Ken Rusk Official, which 792 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 1: is my Facebook page, which has a lot of great 793 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 1: stuff there. We we post um every couple of days 794 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 1: and we have a blog as well. And uh and um. 795 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 1: You know you'll you'll see the book you at Amazon, 796 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 1: You'll see it at Barnes and Noble's indie books as well. 797 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,640 Speaker 1: Don't forget to support those individual book bookstores. You can 798 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 1: find it pretty much anywhere books are sold. Awesome, Well, Ken, 799 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,920 Speaker 1: thanks so much man for joining us on this. You know, 800 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,600 Speaker 1: for this conversation, I feel like there's been a lot 801 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,640 Speaker 1: of insight here that our listeners, you know, it's going 802 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,799 Speaker 1: to cause them to think through things in a way 803 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 1: that they haven't before. And uh, and I think that 804 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,280 Speaker 1: can only be a good thing. So we really appreciate 805 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,760 Speaker 1: your time. Thank you. Well, you're welcome, and to everybody 806 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,719 Speaker 1: out there, you got this and let's let's let's go 807 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,360 Speaker 1: make it happen. You you know, I've got confidence in you. 808 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,400 Speaker 1: I know you can make it happen. So just start 809 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,920 Speaker 1: today and get her done. You're the man. Thanks Ken, 810 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,279 Speaker 1: You're welcome. Thank you, Joel Maye. What a great conversation 811 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,920 Speaker 1: we just had here with Ken rusk Uh. You know, 812 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,160 Speaker 1: when we talk about money here on the show, like 813 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:53,840 Speaker 1: we can talk about it in a few different ways, 814 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,880 Speaker 1: like you can there's different ways that you can earn money. 815 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,360 Speaker 1: There's different ways that you can manage your money, and 816 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 1: so spending is you know, included in that and being 817 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,759 Speaker 1: frugal and whatnot. And then there's things that you can 818 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,560 Speaker 1: do on the back end of that as well, which 819 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,880 Speaker 1: is like investing your money for the long term. And 820 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,920 Speaker 1: we don't often talk about some alternate ways that you 821 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 1: can earn money, right, Like we talk about side gigs 822 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:14,840 Speaker 1: and things like that and starting your own business some 823 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,520 Speaker 1: but we're getting a raise and talking to your employer 824 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,760 Speaker 1: about that, Yeah, exactly, Like those are all good avenues, 825 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 1: but we have not yet talked about you know, not 826 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,960 Speaker 1: going to college. Uh, and just the opportunities that exist 827 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 1: out there for skilled trades. And I'm so glad that 828 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,440 Speaker 1: we got to talk with Ken and a true professional. 829 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,000 Speaker 1: He's lived it and he's advising others on this as well, 830 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,080 Speaker 1: and he's got a balanced approach to it. He's like, 831 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,399 Speaker 1: I'm not the anti college guy, and that's great because 832 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,520 Speaker 1: college is for a lot of people, but it's also 833 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,560 Speaker 1: a lot of professions. Like there's some professions that you 834 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,880 Speaker 1: absolutely need it, I'm not Yeah, like he said, I 835 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,400 Speaker 1: don't want a surgeon operating on any who hasn't been 836 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,279 Speaker 1: to college, and I completely agree with him, But there 837 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 1: are a lot of people who a blue collar career 838 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,640 Speaker 1: makes a whole lot more sense. And my big takeaway, 839 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,960 Speaker 1: but let's get to that's here is the supply and 840 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,680 Speaker 1: demand factor, and supplying demand basic economic principle. And when 841 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,359 Speaker 1: you look at the supply in the labor force right now, um, 842 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,160 Speaker 1: there's not a whole lot of supply when it comes 843 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,240 Speaker 1: to people that are willing to work in blue collar industries. 844 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,239 Speaker 1: But there's a whole lot of demand. And so that 845 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,040 Speaker 1: does mean you'll be able to make a whole lot 846 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,880 Speaker 1: more money often times in the blue collar space than 847 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 1: you would be even after getting a four year college degree. 848 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,120 Speaker 1: One of the things I read in Ken's book, he 849 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:24,200 Speaker 1: said that one in four college graduates makes just as 850 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 1: much as a high school graduate does. Um. That that 851 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,560 Speaker 1: people go through all that work, all that time, all 852 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,759 Speaker 1: the all the debt load that they take on, and 853 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,799 Speaker 1: then at the end what they have to show for 854 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,080 Speaker 1: it is they're making just as much as someone who 855 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,520 Speaker 1: didn't even spend there or four years in that way 856 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,080 Speaker 1: and take on all that debt. That's a sobering statistic. 857 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 1: And so yeah, it's really important, especially for for young 858 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 1: kids or people maybe feeling like they're in a debt 859 00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,440 Speaker 1: end career that they don't enjoy anymore. Well, look at 860 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,720 Speaker 1: the demand out there and be part of the supply, 861 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,560 Speaker 1: part of the supply that potentially makes a whole lot 862 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,960 Speaker 1: more money, um than you're currently making or than you 863 00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,759 Speaker 1: otherwise might if you took the traditional career path. I 864 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:01,560 Speaker 1: love a dude. I'm glad that was your takeaway. Yeah, 865 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,000 Speaker 1: you want to be that supply. You want to be 866 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,560 Speaker 1: able to meet that demand that's out there, you know, 867 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,479 Speaker 1: Like he even talked about the Stonemason's He's planning his 868 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,360 Speaker 1: his workout for six months in advance, Like that is insane. 869 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,279 Speaker 1: And it's a perfect example that that demand is there. 870 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:15,960 Speaker 1: All right. But now it's my turn, time for my 871 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,359 Speaker 1: little takeaway. And I say a little take away because 872 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:22,320 Speaker 1: I feel like it wasn't this huge, you know, complex idea, 873 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,480 Speaker 1: but it was rather simple. And it was when he 874 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,520 Speaker 1: was talking about a gap here, right. I think in 875 00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:31,319 Speaker 1: our culture, we don't value, we don't prize the gap here. 876 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:32,840 Speaker 1: I think a lot of times if you hear somebody's 877 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,319 Speaker 1: taking a gap here, they're just like, oh, you're just 878 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,320 Speaker 1: wasting time. Yeah, you see that as like, oh, you 879 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,880 Speaker 1: must be trying to go find yourself. If you're lucky, 880 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,200 Speaker 1: maybe you can do some traveling that kind of thing. 881 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,400 Speaker 1: But instead, the way Ken presented it, this is a 882 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,080 Speaker 1: great opportunity to decide, uh, and to really think through 883 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,000 Speaker 1: if it makes sense to take on a boatload of 884 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,359 Speaker 1: student loan debt, which most folks are are doing these days, 885 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 1: if it makes sense to dedicate four years of your 886 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,200 Speaker 1: life towards something that you're not even totally sure, word, 887 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,399 Speaker 1: that's gonna go. And so I loved how he's that 888 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,239 Speaker 1: gap year script and you kind of flipped it on 889 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:03,839 Speaker 1: his head a little bit. And he pointed out how 890 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,200 Speaker 1: this is a great opportunity to maybe discover something that 891 00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,080 Speaker 1: you have never even considered doing before. It's not something 892 00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,200 Speaker 1: that you learned about in high school because they're not 893 00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,960 Speaker 1: teaching it in high schools anymore. But it's an opportunity 894 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,880 Speaker 1: for you to discover a passion of yours, something that 895 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,080 Speaker 1: you're really good at, and something that could also allow 896 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,080 Speaker 1: you to make a lot of money. This just gets 897 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:23,759 Speaker 1: me excited for all the high school students out there 898 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,279 Speaker 1: who might be hearing this, because I think this really 899 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,520 Speaker 1: could be life changing. This. This doesn't have to be 900 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:30,480 Speaker 1: gap here and now I'm going to go to New 901 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,319 Speaker 1: Zealand kind of thing. This could be like gap here. 902 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,239 Speaker 1: Let's think about what trade I could potentially do, uh, 903 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,799 Speaker 1: something that I already have an inclination towards. I don't 904 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,319 Speaker 1: think Americans are allowed in New Zealand anyway, right not now? Yeah, 905 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,719 Speaker 1: But I liked how he said just being on a 906 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,839 Speaker 1: work site, sometimes your mind will naturally find what it 907 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,000 Speaker 1: is that you want to do. Like you naturally will 908 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,400 Speaker 1: gravitate towards it. It's sort of like, you know, like 909 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,680 Speaker 1: Harry Potter, when the like the wand chooses him. I 910 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,600 Speaker 1: think maybe the skill can choose the individual as you're 911 00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,319 Speaker 1: kind of drawn to that, and I like how that 912 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,759 Speaker 1: can maybe just a different approach to a career. Yeah. 913 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,759 Speaker 1: I think that's a great takeaway. Man. I feel like 914 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,840 Speaker 1: he framed a gap year in in just a wonderful 915 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,879 Speaker 1: way where a gap here makes a whole lot of sense, 916 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,359 Speaker 1: and I think it makes sense for more and more 917 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,960 Speaker 1: people right now as the value of a college degree 918 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,719 Speaker 1: with coronavirus remote learning is coming into question even more. 919 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,160 Speaker 1: Exactly good stuff. All right, Let's get back to the 920 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:21,719 Speaker 1: beer that we had on the show today, Matt. This 921 00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:25,680 Speaker 1: one was called rhymes with Purple from Bromari Brewing. You 922 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,279 Speaker 1: you picked this berliner of ice with a bunch of 923 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,600 Speaker 1: different berries in it up for us while you were 924 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,319 Speaker 1: in Asheville recently. What were your thoughts on this beer? Well, first, 925 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,040 Speaker 1: I will say it is very very purple. It's it's 926 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:38,520 Speaker 1: like as we poured it. I don't know if I've 927 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,399 Speaker 1: ever seen a more purple red beer, but it's called 928 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,760 Speaker 1: it rhymes with purple, and it's got with like six 929 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,319 Speaker 1: different berries going on in it, and it is very tart. Man. 930 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,680 Speaker 1: That's that's the first thing that I noticed. Um, it 931 00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,759 Speaker 1: was really tart, but at the same time it had 932 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,160 Speaker 1: like a nice medium body and so it's kind of lush, uh, 933 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,839 Speaker 1: kind of coated your tongue a nice little bit, but 934 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,520 Speaker 1: with it being a Berlin device as well. And then 935 00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,120 Speaker 1: it had that kind of chewy, weedy finish on the tail, 936 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:04,839 Speaker 1: and so it was a fun, kind of refreshing beer, 937 00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,160 Speaker 1: but while at the same time, you know, it had 938 00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,080 Speaker 1: that substance to back it up. I really enjoyed it 939 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,440 Speaker 1: many It was like a bouquet of berries, I would say, yeah, 940 00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,239 Speaker 1: but not like overly perfume, you know, like it was 941 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,400 Speaker 1: all in the flavor. Not because sometimes you smell it, 942 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:17,719 Speaker 1: you know, you kind of give it a sniff before 943 00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,640 Speaker 1: you taste it and you're like, oh, it's like too 944 00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,799 Speaker 1: much perfume, you know, But not this one. It's all 945 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,720 Speaker 1: it's all on the taste. Yeah, a little bit velvety, 946 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,840 Speaker 1: I thought, but just like a richness from all the 947 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,440 Speaker 1: fruits that's present, and definitely a nice amount of tartness 948 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,120 Speaker 1: at the same time. This was a well balanced Berlin 949 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,200 Speaker 1: vice that that I really enjoyed. I love fruited beers, 950 00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,520 Speaker 1: I love fruited sours. This one was was really tasty, 951 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,680 Speaker 1: So yeah, Mad props to Bramari for this one, and 952 00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,360 Speaker 1: thanks to you for picking it up. Yeah, man, Happy Tomari. 953 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,040 Speaker 1: They're making a lot of good beer up that way 954 00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,239 Speaker 1: up there in Asheville, North Carolina, so look them up 955 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:49,960 Speaker 1: if you happen to be in the area. And dude, 956 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:51,799 Speaker 1: that's gonna be it for this episode. Listeners can find 957 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,560 Speaker 1: our show notes up on our website at how to 958 00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,920 Speaker 1: money dot com and we'll make sure to link to 959 00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,319 Speaker 1: Kin's sites there as well. Yeah, and if you're a 960 00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,960 Speaker 1: new listener and you enjoyed this conversation with Kendall, we 961 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,640 Speaker 1: have a lot of other interviews that you can check 962 00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,400 Speaker 1: out as well, with with lots of interesting people. And 963 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,440 Speaker 1: you can check out all of our episodes up on 964 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,719 Speaker 1: how to Money dot com. And don't forget to subscribe 965 00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,239 Speaker 1: on your podcast or so you never miss an upcoming episode. Alright, Matt, 966 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,359 Speaker 1: Until next time, Best Friends Out, Best Friends Out.