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Speaker 1: So give me six or seven minutes on this um.

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Speaker 1: I've spent this week overwhelmingly on one time Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: to the Jets, and I know at times it feels tedious,

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Speaker 1: but you know, I've something I've said probably twenty five

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Speaker 1: or TV, is that you the consumer, You the listener,

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Speaker 1: You drive the bus. So I'm able to, because I'm

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Speaker 1: on cable television, to see every minute of my ratings

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Speaker 1: every day. You can't do that on broadcast TV, but

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Speaker 1: you can do it on cable, and I monitor it,

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Speaker 1: and I monitor it for one reason. You tell me

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Speaker 1: what you're bored with, you tell me what you're interested with.

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Speaker 1: I think the height of arrogance as a broadcaster is

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Speaker 1: follow you and I I And this has happened to

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Speaker 1: me multiple times over my career that I've loved a topic,

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Speaker 1: are things that interest me far more that interest you.

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Speaker 1: And conversely, there are times I've touched on topics and

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Speaker 1: I'm really shocked by how much you care. So then

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Speaker 1: it's my job to make calls, take better notes, figure

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Speaker 1: out why you like it, and talk about it. So

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Speaker 1: in the Aaron Rodgers situation of the Jets, it's the

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Speaker 1: combination of multiple things. The most popular sport in the

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Speaker 1: week I can watch my downloads, I can watch my

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Speaker 1: cable ratings. They've all been really, really good. So I'm

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Speaker 1: going to spend it in a couple of minutes on this.

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Speaker 1: I listened to most of the comments, the clips from

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers on the YouTube Pat McAfee deal, and you know,

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Speaker 1: that's a friendly place for him to go every week,

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Speaker 1: and I have no problem with that. I used to

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Speaker 1: you know people go on there. He asked puff fluffy questions.

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Speaker 1: you ghost people, Aaron has a history of ghosting people

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Speaker 1: who say anything critical of him. You surround yourself with

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Speaker 1: They don't have an owner who calls him out in

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Speaker 1: a disadvantage for Farv who kept threatening retirement. It's a

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Speaker 1: not going to trade Tom Brady, We're moving off Jimmy Garoppolo.

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Speaker 1: they want eight games this year with Aaron, I think

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Speaker 1: with Jordan Love barring some injury. I do think they're

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Speaker 1: absolutely remarkable that Aaron Rodgers was surprised when he came

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold has a lot of Trey Lance qualities. Coachable,

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Speaker 1: unforgiven says to Clint Eastwood, you know, I don't deserve this,

423
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: and you know Clint says, who's got nothing to do

424
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: with it? You know deserves got nothing to do with it.

425
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 1: He deserves to get a guaranteed deal more than Deshaun

426
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: Watson or Kirk Cousins. Yes, he deserves to get paid

427
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 1: more than Daniel Jones, for Heaven's sake. For Heaven's sake,

428
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, I mean, come on, that's that deal's not

429
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 1: going to age. Well, I'm sorry, but as you know,

430
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 1: it's all about circumstance and leverage. And he could have

431
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: signed after year three, gotten a bunch of money upfront,

432
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: and now be trying to renegotiate from strength. He didn't

433
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 1: do that. He didn't do what Kirk Cousins did and

434
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 1: play out two franchise tags and putting his organization in

435
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 1: a box to the point where they blinked and took

436
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: Alex Smith and he was free. And they didn't do

437
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 1: what Deshaun Watch. He hasn't done with Deshaun Watson did

438
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: him Maybe he will, But Deshaun Watson showed up at

439
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: training camp uncomfortably with an organization that didn't want him,

440
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: reporters hounding him about something he didn't want to talk about,

441
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: and fans checking out a circus, and he knew he

442
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna play. It turned out he wasn't gonna play

443
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: for you know, almost a year and a half from

444
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 1: that point. But by doing that and having the will

445
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: to do that he created leverage and the Browns were

446
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: desperate and he got that deal. So you know, you

447
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: put all those things together, and if you're Lebar Jackson,

448
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: well you don't have that kind of leverage or you

449
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: haven't exerted that kind of will, now, could you. Yeah,

450
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 1: you could say I've not played for thirty two million,

451
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: go ahead and have fun with Tyler Huntley, and I'm

452
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: just gonna sit away. I'm not saying he should, but

453
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: he could do. You think the Ravens, frustrated by it,

454
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: would just say we're gonna move on. We're gonna draft

455
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: another quarterback because we like our roster, our culture, our coach,

456
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: and our defense. You know, maybe, but I also think

457
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 1: we're living in a weird world where, yeah, no one

458
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: has stepped up and offered Lamar because partly because a

459
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: lot of teams think we're just doing the Ravens work

460
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: for him. We're gonna give him this deal he likes,

461
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: and they're gonna match it, and we're going to alienate

462
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 1: the people we have. The quarterbacks we have now who

463
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: knew we were trying to replace him, So why would

464
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: we do that if if Lamar were free? First of all,

465
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: different story. Second, of all, Let's be honest, desperation isn't

466
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: confined to the Cleveland Browns, and there aren't that many

467
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: really good quarterbacks, which is why you and I are

468
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: talking about ninety three year old Tom Brady. Sorry, Tom,

469
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: I know you're only forty five. Yeah, that's why we're

470
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: talking about to Brady. That's why we're talking about Lists

471
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: and Aaron Rodgers. There are only so many transcended ones,

472
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: and I think Lamar's transcend it. I'll stick up for

473
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: Lamar as a player. I think he's one of the very,

474
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: very best. He won seventy five percent of his starts

475
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: in the AFC. Yeah. The only you know, I think

476
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: there is a little PTSD from the Russell Wilson trade, honestly,

477
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: because for ten years we saw a guy be transcended

478
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: in my opinion, and then oh whoa, he looks nothing

479
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: like that guy. And by the way, Geno Smith is

480
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: now a pro bowler in his place. So that was

481
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,719
Speaker 1: that through people. But at some point if Lamar Jackson

482
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: was like, I'm not playing for you, I'm sitting out,

483
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: at some point some owner or some GM or some

484
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: coach or all three are gonna be like, man, our

485
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: quarterback stakes. We're all gonna get fired, or if you're

486
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: the owner, we're gonna lose. But we could go get

487
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: that guy, Just go get him. John Middlecough Azol was

488
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: full of insight. Let's go in to it. The Jalen

489
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: Ramsey move a third and basically a bust tied end

490
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: from the Dolphins who does doesn't play much is that's

491
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: not nearly I'm not sure why they were so impatient.

492
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: It feels like a salary dump. They're trying to clear

493
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: something up to make a big move in free agency.

494
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: That's that's what it felt like to me. Now, I

495
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: don't think Jalen Ramsey's ever been a guy you build

496
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: a culture around at Florida State, Jacksonville or LA. He's

497
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: just really talented. But I think the guys that you

498
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: build a culture around, like Aaron Donald Are Cooper Cup

499
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: are harder to get rid of. Talent comes and goes,

500
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: and so I think Jayalen's really talented. He's he had

501
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,959
Speaker 1: a very good last game with the rams and interception.

502
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not sure if it was the best

503
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: place for the Dolphins to spend money. They already have

504
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: a corner people like, but their secondaries not very strong.

505
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: They're all in, yeah, but but for the Rams, it

506
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: just felt like they're starting over. You know, they've got

507
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: four sevens, four or fives. They now have a second,

508
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: two thirds. They don't have a first or a fourth yet.

509
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: So they got twelve draft picks. They're kind of rebuilding

510
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: this puppy. Before we dive into my theory on the

511
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: Dolphins and why I think I think this might be

512
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: leading to something, one thing on McVeigh is, you know,

513
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: the knock on Gruden over his ten year as coaching,

514
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: was very impatient, you know, changes on your fast. Lebron

515
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: has some of that, and you know he loves a

516
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: guy that he starts playing with him any sours on him,

517
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: And like, I don't have the theory that they're going

518
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: to tank because McVeigh almost jumped off a bridge last

519
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: year losing a little bit. He's not going to coach

520
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: a season and suck and he's too good to ever

521
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: probably get the top two or three picks, especially next

522
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: year with the with the quarterbacks. But you know he

523
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: loved Matt Stafford two years ago. They traded for him,

524
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: then they extend him. Now he's banged up and it

525
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: feels like, oh, they might trade him or they would

526
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: definitely listen to it. Well, so he was good enough

527
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: to give all this money too, and a year later

528
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: things get weird. I'm Sean McVeigh guy, but it does

529
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: feel he's got a little Gruden in him that he'll

530
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: change on you fast once he thinks you're not as

531
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: good as he maybe thought six months previously. So I

532
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: was told a month ago, and I've set it on

533
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: the air at Fox. I was told a month ago

534
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: that the Rams were going to go heavy this offseason

535
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: to the offense. McVeigh would come back if there was

536
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: a commitment to I'm an offensive coach. The league's pivoted

537
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: to that. Give me guys. So who did they get

538
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: rid of? Bobby Wagner, Jalen Ramsey, Floyd. They've moved off

539
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: defensive guys. So they're gonna draft. They have a second

540
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: and two thirds. They're probably gonna go after an offensive lineman,

541
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. They may go out for a running back.

542
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: Mcphay's like, listen, if I'm going to come back for

543
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: this thing and have to face the Niners, you gotta

544
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: get me some weapons. You gotta give me some help

545
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: on the offensive side. I mean, of all the people

546
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: in the Ramsey trade, they got like a third string

547
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: tight end. You know, I thought I would have thought

548
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: they would have gone to a backup edge because they

549
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: don't really have an edge rusher. But you know, I

550
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: listen mcvagh had a lot of success early. People that

551
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: do off and get impatient. They haven't had the long road,

552
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: the struggle like the rest of us. Right, So you know,

553
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: I get it. You probably see that in tech, you

554
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: see it in football that you probably see it in

555
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: Hollywood when somebody hits it at twenty eight thirty two

556
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: years old. Man, your standards and impatience rise. The Dolphins

557
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: I think over the weekend or maybe late last week

558
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: they picked up two a fifth year option. I thought

559
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: that was nuts, you know, given his risk history. But

560
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: then when they made this trade, I was like, well,

561
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: I think you had mentioned last week and has come

562
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: out since you know the Brady buzz is not going

563
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: to die. Well, what did they do? They get Vick Fanjio,

564
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: They add Jalen Ramsey. They kind of had their backup

565
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: plan long term, just keep two under contract. Tom Brady

566
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: and coming to San Jose. It's just not happening, right,

567
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: But Miami, he's already he's getting the taste of the

568
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: life in Florida now for a couple of years, the

569
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: no state income tax. I think the Dolphins buzz is

570
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: about to pick up, and they're equipped. I mean now

571
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: that their defense was a question mark boom at a

572
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: star corner, you know, add Vic Fangio. I mean, that's

573
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: this team. You see that that clip of Tyreek Hill

574
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,919
Speaker 1: running dusting those guys in the sixty meter dash. So

575
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 1: you're the one that I think I saw a clip

576
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: of you saying that. The Tom Brady thing, well, people

577
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: are it's not going to die. Yeah, I mean, okay,

578
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: so Tom, it's not like you know, he's single now,

579
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: so he's gonna he's not gonna broadcast at Fox. He's

580
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: gonna sit around for a year, just watch football. Tom's connected,

581
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: Um And I just think, you know, people say, oh,

582
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: you spend more time with your family. Kids after a

583
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: while don't want to hang out with mom and dad.

584
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: They want to hang out with little kids, their peers. Right,

585
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: So I think Brady um Hill step he work six

586
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: months a year. I mean, you get six months with

587
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: his family, I know, and whenever you hear you know,

588
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go spend time with my family. It's like,

589
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: you know, guys get off days even in the season.

590
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: You know you're not You're not at the facility all day.

591
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: So I think if you have a popular player Tebow

592
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: in Denver and they brought in Peyton Manning, you gotta

593
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: go big. Nobody's gonna question Brady fills in for Tua

594
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,720
Speaker 1: or Peyton Manning for Tebow because Tua will have success

595
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: with Mike McDaniels. Hell, he was leading in the Pro

596
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: Bowl voting last year, right, So I don't know what's

597
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: gonna happen with Tom Brady. I don't have it sourced,

598
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 1: but I did have somebody I trust out of the building,

599
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: not a Fox employee, say he may play football, So

600
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: you know it was somebody who's smart, somebody I've trusted

601
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: for years. So he obviously heard it somewhere. But I

602
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 1: said this a year ago, and I'll say it again.

603
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 1: I thought Aaron Rodgers in Miami made sense. I really

604
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: dig in. Yeah, a big star because TWA's got his fans,

605
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: two is going to have success. Nobody's complaining about Rogers

606
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: or Brady in Miami, And I think sometimes when you're

607
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: place a popular I mean, let's face it, last year,

608
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: up until Thanksgiving, the Dolphins were one of the better

609
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 1: stories in the league. I found pretty laughable the reaction

610
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: to the Lamar collusion. No one wants him. Last year

611
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 1: to Shaun Watson was given two hundred and thirty million

612
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: dollars and we all laughed at like, that's the most

613
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: insane contract. Only at one or two guys in the

614
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: league would do that. This guy wants that contract and

615
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: no one will touch it. Well, we just said last

616
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: year that that contract that he wants is moronic. No

617
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: one would do that. Good player, but under no circumstances.

618
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: If I owned a team or ran a team, I

619
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: would trade for the player if I get him for

620
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: a normal quarterback contract. But I can't pay him a

621
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: guy who's been injured, and it's not he doesn't guarantee

622
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: me anything. He's got one playoff win. Well, yeah, I mean,

623
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: you want guaranteed money, You're not guaranteed to play Sunday.

624
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: Of his last twenty two games, he's missed forty percent.

625
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: He's missed ten. So nobody wants to say this because

626
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: it feels like you're taking a shot at Lamar's mom,

627
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: but he needs an agent. Agents do two things. First

628
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,439
Speaker 1: of all, teams are now taking shots at Lamar. Why

629
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: because they don't he doesn't have an agent. You would

630
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: never take a shot at a star player because he

631
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: has an agent. And an agent represents lots and lots

632
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: of people, So you don't want to piss off an

633
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: agent because then he'll steer his clients against you or

634
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: away from you. When you don't have an agent, and

635
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: I've had several of my career, it's a vest. It's

636
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: a little bit like a protective vest. Is that the

637
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: agent keeps you out of the room with your boss

638
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: so it doesn't get emotional. The agent make sure they

639
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 1: say nice things about you. A good, powerful agent matters.

640
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: He's using his mom, and reportedly now he's doing some

641
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: of it. You know, he's moved her off that. It's like, dude,

642
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: I got no you know if my mom represented me

643
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: or yours, did they get emotional? Were their sons? So

644
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: I think when he did that, you know, I tried

645
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 1: to tread lightly and be respectful. You can't have a

646
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 1: parent be your agent. Come on now. Charles Robinson wrote

647
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: a really good article where he got a lot of

648
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: unnamed people in the league, GMS and agents talking and

649
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: this point. Listen, Mike mcglinchey's gonna sign in a couple

650
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: of days. The owner just gives the GM the thumbs up.

651
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: But when you're doing a contract like this two hundred

652
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: plus million dollars guarantee, that's an owner run deal, and

653
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: these agents go right to the owner. This is not

654
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,959
Speaker 1: the GM and the coach ultimately aren't the final say

655
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: on this one, right like they would be with a

656
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: signing a wide receiver or this is the biggest contract

657
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: that team has ever given out in the history of

658
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: the league potentially, So that's coming from the owner and

659
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: he has no direct path to the owner. I mean,

660
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: it's just it's if me and you owned a condo

661
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: for two hundred grand, we could figure out how to

662
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: sell it on our own. If we wanted a two

663
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars piece of property, we probably get some

664
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: representation to help us out on the deal. Right right,

665
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: the amount of money that's on the line is too enormous,

666
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: Like he's at he's at a major disadvantage, and the

667
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: Ravens know it, and that's why they did don exclusive tag.

668
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: They go, We're not even gonna pay as much, and

669
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,919
Speaker 1: we're not worried about people bidding for your services because

670
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: you don't really know what you're doing. I also think

671
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:07,720
Speaker 1: the culture is so strong that between the GM, the owner,

672
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: the roster, the defense, the assistance, there's kind of a

673
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: feeling in Baltimore. Last year. I mean, shit, they went

674
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: toe to toe with the Bengals twice at the end

675
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: of the year with like third string guys, and we're

676
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: Cincinnati needed a miracle touchdown to win one of those games.

677
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: So I think they look at themselves and think, you know,

678
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 1: we're really at an a level in terms of drafting

679
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: and developing. If we have to go get Max Duggan

680
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: in the second round or we have to go get

681
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: somebody we like, we will. So I mean, they've won

682
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: a super Bowl with Joe Flacco, Trent Dilfer. They gambled

683
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: on Lamar Jackson to some degree. You know, a lot

684
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: of people thought he wouldn't be great. They've been able

685
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 1: to find quarterbacks who others bailed on, who are different

686
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: and they've got success with all of them. So I

687
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 1: always just sort of trust the Ravens to figure it out.

688
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: Have a ruler in life you don't have to always

689
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,919
Speaker 1: hire an expert. Hire smart people and they'll figure out

690
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: complex problems. Baltimore is really good at that. Speaking of

691
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: a team that's trying to find their identity, that the

692
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: big trade, that the draft trade that happened, I guess

693
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: would that have been Friday night? On the panther side,

694
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: this feels like it's got Dave Tepper written all over it.

695
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: He's a financial wheeler and dealer. He's getting bored, he's

696
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: getting tired of losing, because that's a lot to give

697
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: up Colin for this. Trevor Lawrence not in this draft,

698
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: you know, and they've even it's been reported they don't

699
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: even know exactly who they're taking. Last time the Niners

700
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 1: try to do something like that, that's I would not

701
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: operate making a trade without the player that you know,

702
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: just to figure out two or three guys, and this

703
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: is one of those. You know, if Bryce Young hits,

704
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 1: then it looks like a brilliant move. But I thought

705
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: Chicago essentially solved, you know, people banged on the Chase

706
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: Claypool move. But now the receiving corps DJ Moore Cole

707
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: commet very capable young tight end Darnell Mooney a solid

708
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: two and Chase Claypool, so they don't really have to

709
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 1: go after a wide receiver in the draft. And they've

710
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: got multiple extra picks so they can attack the interior offensive.

711
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,439
Speaker 1: They're going to get McGlinchey the right tackle from the Niners. Yeah,

712
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 1: by you know, they drafted some offensive lineman last year.

713
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: A couple of them can play. You know, they could

714
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,919
Speaker 1: kind of go solve their defense, so justin fields doesn't

715
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: have to be in shootouts. But I mean Cole Commet, Mooney, Claypool.

716
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: But DJ Moore was getting a thousand yards of season

717
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: with Kyle Allen, Darnald Baker Mayfield. I couldn't believe. I

718
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: understand given away first in two seconds throwing Dj Moore.

719
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: And by the way, so you draft a young quarterback,

720
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: you just lost your best receiver for him. I didn't

721
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 1: like that addition. At I would have given you a corner,

722
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,959
Speaker 1: I'd have given you something. I would not have given

723
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: you your best I wouldn't if I'm Caroline, I'm not

724
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: giving you Dj Moore. They just extended him last year,

725
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: so he's under contract for the foreseeable future. I thought,

726
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: this is kudos to Ryan Pace because he can do

727
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 1: two things. One find out if fields can play now

728
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: he's got weapons, and if he can't, he has the

729
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: Panthers pick. They're probably not going to be great. And

730
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: if his team stinks, they'd have two high picks to

731
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: go up and get one of these quarterbacks next year,

732
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: so that they're actually getting the best of both worlds. Yeah,

733
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 1: Ryan Poles is the kid, and I did last year

734
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 1: and he got a corner and a safety to start.

735
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: He got a receiver of Vilas Jones out of Tennessee

736
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: who played at USC. I could have told him he

737
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: can't track the ball. He couldn't at USC, could never

738
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: track the ball. So I still don't trust this organization

739
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: to draft and develop offensive players. But I do think

740
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: what happens after that trade John is now we have clarity.

741
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: There'll be no more excuses. Their running backs are serviceable,

742
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: Cole comits a very nice young tied end. Now you

743
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: have a real grown up wide receiver group. They're going

744
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 1: to pay for a right tackle. Their offensive line last

745
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 1: year rated fourteenth. It wasn't the Giants, it wasn't thirty second,

746
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: it was fourteenth, and they're gonna upgrade it. So it's

747
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: going to be a reasonable offensive line. What it gives

748
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: you John, now, whatever Justin Fields does. This is the truth.

749
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 1: He has more than enough talent. Now you can't say

750
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: he doesn't have this. This This Claypool, Mooney DJ Moore

751
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: are three very nice professional wide receivers see and I

752
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: think on the panther side, I just wonder if if

753
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: Tepper gets involved on who they ultimately want to pick

754
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: and it's not the coach and not the general manners decision.

755
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: I think Bryce Young is an elite player. He's just short,

756
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: which you know can be risky. But you know we've

757
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 1: seen him two years ago played they played Georgia twice

758
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: in you know, a month, and went toe to toe

759
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: with them with a defense full of eleven pros and

760
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: like first round pros. Yeah, but he's just he's just small.

761
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 1: And you know, Anthony Richardson I was texting with Daniel

762
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: Jeremiah because Anthony richards I said, what round would those

763
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: guys gone in when you first broke in the league.

764
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 1: Guys like Anthony Richardson and Will Levis who are just big,

765
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: physical guys. But you know, I have a long way

766
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: to go. He's like those guys would have been mid

767
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: round picks. Now both of them are gonna go in

768
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: the top five. So this notion that that position it's

769
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: so nuanced, it's so hard. You can't just draft like

770
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: you can't a defensive tackle and hope he figures it

771
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,760
Speaker 1: out because the time in time they don't, and whoever

772
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: they pick has this enormous pressure. I've seen it with

773
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: Trey Lance, all these picks, the whole trade. It just

774
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: hangs over you forever. If things don't go well, it's hard. Well,

775
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: the Colts, I think should move up to three because

776
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: if somebody moves up in front of them, they're gonna

777
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: get the fourth quarterback in an average quarterback draft. That

778
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 1: would worry me. Now again, there's Max Duggan's going to

779
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: be a second or a third round guy, and there's

780
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people that think, you know, a team

781
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: like Indy could get him. I'll tell you this about

782
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 1: I had somebody text me on this inside the league.

783
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 1: It's pretty interesting. So I said, you know, Will Levis's

784
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,240
Speaker 1: family has some IVY League connections. He's a four point student.

785
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: He's big, thick kid, good arm. And somebody texts me

786
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: in the league and said, look how chiseled he is.

787
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: He said name the great quarterbacks that are chiseled, they

788
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: don't exist. Is that when you get you ever go

789
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: you ever go to the gym and see a wait,

790
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: look to try to play basketball. How stiff you are.

791
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 1: There's no fluidity, no fluidity. And and so this person said,

792
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: he is this is a danger sign. He's jacked, he's ripped,

793
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: and he comes off sometimes as a little bit stiff.

794
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: He doesn't come off as fluid. And he's strong. He's

795
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: a smart kid. But the Will Levis stuff is interesting

796
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: because you know there's so much of it. You like

797
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: Ivy League family, huge arm. You know, his numbers look

798
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: like Eli Manning's out of old miss, a non traditional

799
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: SEC quarterback who you know, like one seventeen games in

800
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: two years for a basketball school. It kind of feels Eli.

801
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: But the person who texts me, he's just like, you know,

802
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 1: go look up the chiseled orderbacks. It's like you see

803
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning with a tight shirt on.

804
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: They they're big, they got more of a chest, but

805
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: you don't see you don't see ripped guys. It's not

806
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: what you have to be loosed. That's why apply on

807
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,439
Speaker 1: metrics and Brady, You've got to be loose. You've got

808
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: to be able to be flexible and move your feet,

809
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: move your hips, and Levis is just ripped and jacked.

810
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: All right, let's bring on Marcus Thompson. I've said this

811
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: before in my career. My job is to tell you

812
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: what I know, but I don't always need to know

813
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,240
Speaker 1: the why. Sometimes it's none of my business. The Andrew

814
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: Wiggins situation is really none of my business. I know

815
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: it's very serious. It's a family matter. What I was told,

816
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,439
Speaker 1: and now I have two people that have said it's

817
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: really really serious. The Warriors totally support him, but there

818
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 1: is some doubt if he'll be available going forward. There's

819
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: no certainty, there's real doubt. So let's bring in Marcus.

820
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: You know a lot more than I do. I have

821
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: been told it's extremely serious and the Warriors completely respect

822
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: his privacy. And so again that's none of my business.

823
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,240
Speaker 1: I'm not talking anybody's fam that's none of my business.

824
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 1: Let's talk about availability. You're reporting, you're sourcing, You're guessing.

825
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: Is it a reasonable assumption that he would miss the

826
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: regular season but perhaps be a postseason participant. You know,

827
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: it's possible depending on who you talk to. There's some

828
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: people who expect him to be back. There's some people

829
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: who don't want to put that on him, right, like, hey, dude,

830
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: what you gotta do. We don't really want to pressure you, right,

831
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: you know, you got to handle this. The difficulty about

832
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: that proposition of missing the regular season to come back

833
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: from the playoffs is who you're getting. I mean, that's

834
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: two months, two months of no basketball. I doubt he's

835
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: picked up the ball a ball, right not to guess

836
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: his condition. It wouldn't be great, So it would be

837
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: a tall order to ask him, and then we don't

838
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: know what his mental condition will be. We know this,

839
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: this dude doesn't miss games, like he just doesn't. I

840
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: mean his first six years he missed like four total games. Like,

841
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 1: he doesn't miss games. So whatever it is, it's got

842
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 1: to be it's incredibly serious. Whatever it is. There's a

843
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: locker room with dudes who want to win a championship

844
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: who are like, oh, this is bad, Like you handle that, like,

845
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: we're not even mad. So I don't know how. I

846
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 1: don't know how you come back from that in the

847
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: middle of a playoff setting and produce. I mean, we've

848
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: seen crazy things but that would be a lot to ask,

849
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 1: So I think they just have to start preparing mentally

850
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: for the fact that he won't be there, and if

851
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: he comes, like that's a bonus. Yeah. I mean, they

852
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 1: wanted Jonathan Kaminga perhaps to develop. He's very twitchy, very athletic,

853
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: can be very forceful around the rim. They wanted him

854
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: to develop. He doesn't have the touch, He's not the

855
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 1: defensive player yet of Wiggins, but he's wildly athletic. But

856
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: if you could get twelve minutes to night. He didn't

857
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: do squat in the playoffs last year because Kurt didn't

858
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: trust him. Yet, do you think Steve Kerr trusts him

859
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: because Iggy now has an injury? How many minutes per

860
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: night in the playoff game? Do you believe Steve Kerr

861
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 1: would be comfortable with Jonathan Kuminga. I don't really think

862
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: he has a choice. I mean, the other option is

863
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: a two way guy that they're probably going to convert,

864
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: Anthony Lamb. So, I mean, jeez, Comigo was never seven pick.

865
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: I do think he does a couple of things that

866
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 1: the words could use, Like he's a ball pressure. He's

867
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: good at that, So at some point they'll use him.

868
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: I think it's somewhere between twelve forty minutes, depending on

869
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 1: how he plays. Right, it'll probably get twelve baked in

870
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:59,280
Speaker 1: maybe fifteen. If they're not good, especially in that second half,

871
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,720
Speaker 1: then he just won't go back to him. Like that's

872
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,919
Speaker 1: that's kind of how Steve has been. If he's playing

873
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: really well, if he's giving somebody problems, now you up

874
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: it because they need it. They don't have a lot

875
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: of other defensive options, right, Like they don't have a

876
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 1: lot of lockdown guys. I mean, here's the interesting part this,

877
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: Gary Payton is second make it back and how does

878
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: that impact Because if if you don't get Wiggins and

879
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: you don't have a GP two, the only other guy

880
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: who can do what they what they do is doctor

881
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: d Vincenzo and Jonathan can be here. That's it. The

882
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: rest is like, y'oll beat you also dribble, So it's

883
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: almost like, yo, what do you have to lose anyway?

884
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 1: Just run out there. If you don't win, you probably

885
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: are the seventh seed anyways, So would you expect well,

886
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: Clay Thompson's having his best year and maybe sex he

887
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: is absolutely great. Jordan pool Deep and Genzo, Steph Curry

888
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 1: had fifty against the Clippers. So it's a team that's

889
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: guard heavy, and if things don't work out with the loss,

890
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: with the movement of Wiseman and Wiggins, they're a small

891
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: team and they're not going to be as good defensively.

892
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: So you know I've said this before, I have thrown

893
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 1: this out there. Is that because Steph can still be

894
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: on any night the best player in the league on

895
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: any night against anybody. Clay has rebounded with an all

896
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: star level second half in performance. Draymond is still a catalyst. Wiggins,

897
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,879
Speaker 1: we presume would come back. I'll throw it out there.

898
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,720
Speaker 1: If they got into the playoffs and got pushed around

899
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: by a big, forget em beat or Jannis. I'm talking Yokich.

900
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: They got pushed around a little bit by a big.

901
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: They have the arsenal of guards now, especially scoring guards.

902
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: They're not moving Steph, but Jordan Poole, you know they've

903
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: got enough guys they can move this team. I still

904
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: believe believes we got a championship left. Could you see

905
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: them going out and getting and I'll throw a big

906
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: at you. You don't have to. He'll give you twenty

907
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: two points a night without designing a single play for him,

908
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis and just say, listen, we know you're not

909
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: giving us thirty eight minutes, and we know you're not

910
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: giving us eighty two games. We're not asking that. And

911
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: because I look at the Warriors and I think to myself,

912
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: right now, I've lost confidence without Wiggins and Iggy, I

913
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think they can get to the

914
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: NBA Finals. I don't now the break is of course,

915
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: Marcus k D's out, and you know that's a big thing.

916
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,919
Speaker 1: And I don't trust the Clippers. Have you let's start

917
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: with this. Have you lost confidence in this team going

918
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:41,240
Speaker 1: forward getting to the finals? Yeah, no question. They can't

919
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 1: win on the road. They lose the team as they

920
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: should beat. I always thought it was gonna be tough anyway,

921
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: Like repeating is not easy, Like it's not that's not

922
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: now a team to do it. So even if they

923
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: brought back the same team, it's not like what they

924
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: had KD. And it was like, all right, we're we're

925
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: about to repeat, Like normally it gets harder in the

926
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: second year, But now I think they're they'll upset somebody.

927
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: Right That third series though, would be tough because whatever

928
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: they do it's gonna be on stuff, it's gonna be

929
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: on play right, it's gonna be on Dray Run. And

930
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: now it's like you fight through one series, right, you

931
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: upset somebody, you get another series that's gonna be harder.

932
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,720
Speaker 1: Now you can start to see it take toll, because

933
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: keep in mind, they've been playing hard all year. It's

934
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: not it's not like twenty eighteen, eight, twenty nineteen when

935
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: they were chilling on like all right, we're here for

936
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: our finals run. Like, no, they've been They've been trying

937
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: to be teams. So the difficulty I see is they've

938
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: been putting in a lot of work and on the

939
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: back end that catches up. We've seen this before twenty

940
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: sixteen they chase seventy three, you know, got up three

941
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: one and the legs are gone, right, and that's obviously

942
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: a better setting for them, But it's just tough to

943
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: envision and winning three series to get to the fire

944
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,760
Speaker 1: and didn't win a four for him, like that's a lot.

945
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: I just think they need to have a good showing

946
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: and if they knock off Yo Kitch or knock off KD,

947
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,720
Speaker 1: that's something real. Now you're talking about all right, steps

948
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 1: still legit who were keeping out of Draymond in Clay

949
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: or maybe Draymond's like, yo, I'm out, I got an

950
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: opt out of somebody wants to pay be a max,

951
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: I'm out. Those are the decisions here's I don't think

952
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: the rest. I don't think they're going Anthony Davis, the owner,

953
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: wants to go young. That was the whole Wiseman thing.

954
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:31,439
Speaker 1: I don't want a bunch of thirty five year olds

955
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: so when they fall off, we're like a lottery team again.

956
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: He doesn't want to do that. He wants somebody young.

957
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: He wants to swap out Steff and make it a

958
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 1: seamless transition to the next guy. So I think he'll

959
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: want a guy who's young and ready to play. He

960
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: wanted Steve Kirks, who played the young guys this year.

961
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: So I don't think he's going thirty plus. He's going.

962
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: He might go twenty five. That might be the compromise

963
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: instead of twenty one. It'll be twenty five. It's there,

964
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: but it won't be it won't be enough, the thirties

965
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: something unless he just asides, let's ride the wheels till

966
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: they fall off with Stephen them. So most have observed

967
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 1: and speculated that the Draymond pool punch created a bit

968
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 1: of a rift and a chasm between young and old

969
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: guys in the locker room. And they note, and I

970
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,399
Speaker 1: think with some accuracy, that it's a bad road team,

971
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: and on the road is where unity factors in. There's

972
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: almost no explanation markets for being abysmal ship there as

973
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,800
Speaker 1: bad as the Rockets in the Orlando Magic and Detroit

974
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,879
Speaker 1: on the road. Do you believe it? Does? It does

975
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 1: feel like this is maybe a clickier team, that the

976
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 1: gap between young and old is sizable. Oh, I thought

977
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: that that was true from the beginning. I mean, it's

978
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: like literally like a red sea in between them. Right.

979
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: I got the old kids who want championships, and then

980
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: you have like the home room squad. Right, you got

981
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, and you got the home room.

982
00:55:56,320 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: They got six guys who have done much before in

983
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: the league, and then you have this super high bar

984
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: of championship standard. Right. It was already like that, I mean,

985
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: just tangibly just thinking about who they are at their ages, right,

986
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: Like I mean Steph is an ancients guy in the league, right,

987
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: he gets along with everybody, but he's thirty five he's

988
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 1: got like kids and stuff, Like he's got an ira counclibility,

989
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 1: Like he's not hanging out with twenty one year old

990
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: like he'll do you know, he can put his arm

991
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: around the guy in the locker room and all that,

992
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 1: but got teenage daughters. They just don't have anything in common.

993
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 1: And you could look in the locker room and you

994
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 1: could say this is this is this team looks like

995
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,760
Speaker 1: they're having a bit of fun. There's some like gelling

996
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: that you probably didn't think happened after somebody got rocked

997
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: in training camp, right, But what you can't really there's

998
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 1: this like unintangible part of the punch that you can't quantify, right,

999
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: Like what happens if they don't have that and they

1000
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: get off to a start in the chemistry is great,

1001
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: and now they don't lose five straight road games to

1002
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: start the season. Like it's like it's almost like not

1003
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: saving money. You know what I'm saying. You don't lose money,

1004
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: but you don't know you don't know what you would

1005
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: have done if you would have invested it, right, So

1006
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: we don't know how that impacted the season. All we

1007
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: know is they are also a rough start. It was

1008
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: kind of a mess and it felt like a set

1009
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: of tone for the season. So even if they're fine now, right,

1010
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: even if they're like they've overcome in and gotten through it,

1011
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: there was a cost that they paid that we can

1012
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: kind of see now. And I think it again on

1013
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,439
Speaker 1: the road first out the back five game road trip,

1014
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: they lose in the Charlotte and Orlando right like, and

1015
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: they're playing like Stephan It's not like they had a

1016
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: bunch of young guys. They weren't able to close against

1017
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: bad teams to start that on five road trip set

1018
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 1: of tone. So I think there is an intangible like

1019
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: costs from that, even if they might have gotten through it.

1020
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: And since let's pull it back to Andrew Wiggins and

1021
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: you know, again I put it out there. I had

1022
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: a couple of people tell me they doubted strongly he

1023
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: would return. And my takeaway, as I believe people, has

1024
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: it been an uncomfortable story for you because you are

1025
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: a journalist, You're a guy that is constantly looking to

1026
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: uncover things. When you wrote your KD book, Steff book,

1027
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: you gave me nuggets that I never knew that's what

1028
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: you do. Has it been hard to cover it knowing

1029
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:32,959
Speaker 1: it's intensely private. The organization's not going to let it out.

1030
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: But your job is to cover stuff and uncover stuff.

1031
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: It hasn't been hard because this team just has fifty

1032
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: eight storylines all the time, right, So we could always

1033
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: fall back on you know, right about Steff, right about thing,

1034
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: right about Drakemond. But the difficulty is this is one

1035
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: of the rare situations where nobody's telling you anything. That's

1036
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: the difficulty, right. It's like they're they've they've really kind

1037
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 1: of closed ranks. And this is the same team where

1038
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,919
Speaker 1: they had a videotape leak, right, like an unprecedented leak

1039
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: of a practice punch. So I think they just got

1040
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: so fed up that they were like, this is one

1041
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: we're going to stop, right, And that to me is

1042
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: the most difficult part. Where it's like you talk to

1043
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: people and the people who normally be like, hey, man,

1044
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: I'm telling you what's going on, don't write it. Even

1045
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, we can't. We're not telling you anything

1046
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 1: because just know it's bad and just trust us. Right,

1047
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: So in that sense, it's been It's not difficult because

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Speaker 1: like I mean, these are pros man, they won championships.

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Speaker 1: You know, if there was a player who they thought

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Speaker 1: to be on the court and wasn't on the court,

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Speaker 1: they wouldn't know how to bite their tongue. Like Draymond

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Speaker 1: will pop off on the volume right on volume sports,

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Speaker 1: someone why is this guy not playing? So when these

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Speaker 1: dudes who are professionals at the highest level, right, who

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Speaker 1: are winners, they're like, man, this is bad, Like we

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Speaker 1: we we support them, we rock with him. We're not

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Speaker 1: We're not gonna throw like, you know, throw them under

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Speaker 1: the bus or anything like that. It's easy to trust

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Speaker 1: them because you kind of know who they are and

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Speaker 1: you know what they are. But I haven't been it's

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Speaker 1: been a long time college since I couldn't find out

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Speaker 1: like the inner details, you know what I'm saying, Like,

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Speaker 1: it's been a while. And that's a testamental Wiggins. Like Wiggins,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't put himself out there like that, and that's

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Speaker 1: just kind of been his his deal and some guys

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Speaker 1: like for most people, as you know, it's hard to

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Speaker 1: shut people up. This whole industry runs on the fact

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Speaker 1: that people don't know how to shut up. Right. So

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Speaker 1: for Wiggins, though, like he doesn't put himself out there

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Speaker 1: like that. He's very private, and they are respecting it,

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Speaker 1: and I kind of I respect him for that right,

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Speaker 1: like I respect him for saying no, not not in

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Speaker 1: this situation, because you know, they've literally had fights in

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Speaker 1: practice that we found out of that literally the volume.

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Speaker 1: brought Draymond Green into the Volume because one of the

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Speaker 1: more entertaining voices in sports, unique perspective understands behind the rope.

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Speaker 1: Also chops up with guests like Gary Peyton, Zach Levine,

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