Speaker 1: Man, what's hand him? Man? You got more? Shawn Beisma Lynch.
Speaker 2: Doug Hendrickson and Gavin Knewsome.
Speaker 3: And you're listening to politics, you're knowing to be you
Speaker 3: known to be right before Thanksgiving. Every Thanksgiving, the week
Speaker 3: of Thanksgiving, we do a series of pardons and commutations
Speaker 3: and one of the great gifts no bs like. It's
Speaker 3: an amazing, amazing, amazing experience picking up the phone and
Speaker 3: making the calls to dozens of people that for years
Speaker 3: and years and years have wanted to clean their record
Speaker 3: and turn the page in their life and to let
Speaker 3: them know that they officially have been pardoned. And so
Speaker 3: I was on the phone coincidental to this, this hunter
Speaker 3: pardon with I think it was eighteen or so. I
Speaker 3: can't remember that number, but it's roughly about eighteen people
Speaker 3: and give them a call. I got hung up on
Speaker 3: a number of times. One person said, fuck you stood.
Speaker 3: I was like, Jesus, I was calling to tell you
Speaker 3: I parted you. Another person goes, yeah, send me the paperwork.
Speaker 3: I'm like, wow, okay, I have no gratitude.
Speaker 1: They don't believe it.
Speaker 3: They don't believe it. Other people like, literally, I'll get
Speaker 3: a call back because I don't have a block thing said,
Speaker 3: is this really you? I thought it was my buddy Bob.
Speaker 3: He was pulling my leg. I'm totally embarrassed.
Speaker 4: Man, that's amazing.
Speaker 3: Other people literally it's other people literally say there's like silence.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm sorry, are you there? It's Kevin. He goes,
Speaker 3: if this is really you? And if you're not pulling
Speaker 3: my leg? And then there start crying. He's like, and
Speaker 3: it's like a maze. And then I'm starting to cry.
Speaker 3: I can't even talk because it's so intense. You don't
Speaker 3: know what this means to my kids. I can look
Speaker 3: at my kids in the eye. For thirty years, I've
Speaker 3: made a mistake thirty years ago. I've done everything right,
Speaker 3: but I've never felt right. This is the first time
Speaker 3: I felt, you know, and like you're like Jesus and
Speaker 3: you hang up and you sit there. I said, I
Speaker 3: swear I got truth. I'm sitting in my office by myself,
Speaker 3: and most folks had left the office. I'm just looking outside,
Speaker 3: going I'm the luckiest goddamn son of a bitch in
Speaker 3: the world to be able to make these calls and
Speaker 3: to have the gift of just a simple decision. Uh
Speaker 3: and and and to give people that that that that
Speaker 3: second chance in their life. So, man, Marshaun, to your point,
Speaker 3: those things matter and you take them very seriously. There's
Speaker 3: something reverential about that process. Commutations, about community of sentence,
Speaker 3: about a pardon, about cleaning a record. So they just
Speaker 3: you got to be careful about politicizing. And I guess
Speaker 3: that goes to my concern more broadly, is because I'm
Speaker 3: a practitioner in this space. It's not intellectual uh and
Speaker 3: it's it's real power uh and it should be used,
Speaker 3: you know, sparingly, but it's very powerful. It's just as
Speaker 3: a human expression. It's it's one of the no bullshit,
Speaker 3: it's I swear I sat there saying, for all the
Speaker 3: crap you take in this job, you have moments like
Speaker 3: this where where you're talking to human beans and you
Speaker 3: feel like you've changed their lives. And to have that
Speaker 3: ability to do that so easily, Man, what a gift.
Speaker 1: This rewarding huh, next level brother, some pretty good perks
Speaker 1: to the job being huh yeah.
Speaker 3: And that's like that's that's you know, any getting reservations
Speaker 3: or using Doug to get a free you know, you know,
Speaker 3: get to the bar or something. It ain't about that
Speaker 3: brother that.
Speaker 1: He's going for show. There's one dude you don't want
Speaker 1: to see with power, oh ship. I could only imagine
Speaker 1: I would.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't last very long. More sean it would. It
Speaker 5: would last maybe two weeks in the job.
Speaker 3: But hey, by the way, I don't want to believe
Speaker 3: for everybody, shots for you.
Speaker 5: We're keeping this place and open on that long. We're
Speaker 5: getting the planes. I don't care if I can't take
Speaker 5: your private plane.
Speaker 2: I'm taking it. Let's go. We're going on vacation.
Speaker 3: Okay, you guys are talking private planes. I'm Jesus Christ
Speaker 3: kind of lives you to live. I'm sitting there, you know, grinding,
Speaker 3: doing pardons and pearls every week. By the way, I
Speaker 3: got some good paroles this week. About sixty paroles this week.
Speaker 3: I mean people like you, this Doug. I've shared some
Speaker 3: of those with you in confidence broad strokes because we
Speaker 3: don't we don't break. I don't, I don't use names.
Speaker 3: You ain't seen nothing like this group, you know, like
Speaker 3: bodies dismembered, the whole thing. He's tough, world marshawn, no bullsh.
Speaker 5: I will tell you that right now we don't let
Speaker 5: that person out.
Speaker 2: We keep that one in.
Speaker 3: Back to the Menendez brothers too, because no bullshit. It's
Speaker 3: like it's those are the high profile things and then
Speaker 3: the low profile stuff, but the things that people don't
Speaker 3: even realize that happened every single goddamn day. Man, human condition,
Speaker 3: Doug Man. So we got a bunch of questions this week,
Speaker 3: and I know for Marshawn, got a bunch of questions.
Speaker 3: I think, Doug, there are a few coming my way.
Speaker 3: But I didn't understand one of these damn questions about
Speaker 3: Black Monday. I was like, is this some shopping network thing?
Speaker 3: And then I realized it has had nothing to do
Speaker 3: with shopping unless you're shopping for a new head coach
Speaker 3: or something. What the hell is this Black Monday thing?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Black Monday, Cavin is notoriously the Monday after the last
Speaker 5: NFL game in a few weeks, and that is when
Speaker 5: the coaches in the gms have not been fired get fired.
Speaker 5: It's a brutal day for you know, everybody in the organization.
Speaker 5: But these owners now, as you know, these guys want
Speaker 5: to win, and so it used to be the head
Speaker 5: coaches gyms get a couple of years, two, three, four
Speaker 5: years to build a team.
Speaker 2: Now sometimes they're hired one year and done.
Speaker 5: So you got black Monday probably as media's maybe six
Speaker 5: seven eight coaches getting fired.
Speaker 2: Four or five gyms get fired, and.
Speaker 5: A lot of coaches try to come in and revamp things.
Speaker 5: But the interesting part is is you know these owners
Speaker 5: looking for a quick fix. You're looking for leaders, you're
Speaker 5: looking for CEOs, looking for coaches.
Speaker 2: More than a they don't, they don't work out. They fail.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of number twos out there and not
Speaker 5: a lot of number ones who they fail A lot.
Speaker 5: A lot of these coaches fail, a lot of the
Speaker 5: gms fail.
Speaker 1: With a year to get an understanding it is, and
Speaker 1: you come into a fucked up position. How is that
Speaker 1: a fail?
Speaker 4: Thank you? I'm with you.
Speaker 1: You don't have it. You don't have it. You don't
Speaker 1: even had a time to fail.
Speaker 5: Because you have You have owners that don't really know
Speaker 5: the sport and they want to win right away and
Speaker 5: they don't they don't need patience.
Speaker 1: Who haven't won a Super Bowl? Which team well.
Speaker 5: Other than lately case and uh, I don't know who
Speaker 5: else is wanted to be says Casey Leady.
Speaker 1: I said who hasn't. I mean, it's teams that ain't
Speaker 1: even you fear me.
Speaker 2: No, it's a it's a it's a brutal thing.
Speaker 1: They've been going through this for forever.
Speaker 3: Jets are a prime example. This man, you get rid
Speaker 3: of the coach in the middle of the year, and
Speaker 3: then they keep losing, losing, losing. The pressure on that
Speaker 3: how about the pressure on him on Johnson as the
Speaker 3: owner of the Jets after what more losing seasons than
Speaker 3: any other franchise the last decade or so.
Speaker 5: Well, it's interesting, it's interesting question, Gavin, whoever asked that?
Speaker 5: And I do want to parallel back to you quickly,
Speaker 5: because if you look about a lot of these guys
Speaker 5: that get these jobs, new coaches and new gms, they
Speaker 5: fail for a couple of reasons. One is, yes, as
Speaker 5: more Shawn's point, the team's not very good, it's tough
Speaker 5: to build it back quickly. But they also fail because
Speaker 5: they're afraid to make decisions and they're afraid to really
Speaker 5: be that person. And so do you find the same
Speaker 5: thing in politics? Do you see mayors or governors that
Speaker 5: come in that kind of afraid to lead. I've always
Speaker 5: admired what you've done, You're right, wrong and different. You're
Speaker 5: going to do something and stand by it. But do
Speaker 5: you see a lot of people in your industry that
Speaker 5: get that number one job and then they don't deliver? Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think it has I can't help but
Speaker 3: thinking about and forgive me sort of fixated on the
Speaker 3: Jets and the context that some of their struggles over
Speaker 3: the last many years, predating even Rogers. But it's interesting
Speaker 3: in the context your question because I think about the
Speaker 3: times you don't make decisions or when those decisions have
Speaker 3: consequences as it relates to people that are on your
Speaker 3: team that have outsized influence on that decision making. So
Speaker 3: even the owner of a team, even the head coach
Speaker 3: of a team, sometimes doesn't have that ability to make
Speaker 3: those decision And I think about, honestly, the impact of
Speaker 3: some of the decisions that you wonder are being made
Speaker 3: by the GM or the owner of the Jets, or
Speaker 3: by their quarterback, and how you balance that and the
Speaker 3: consequences of indecision or decision that you outsource to a superstar.
Speaker 3: Think about Lebron. You think about some of the most
Speaker 3: high profile and prolific leaders on teams and a lot
Speaker 3: of owners you think they have the real control, but
Speaker 3: a lot of that's outsourced to the folks that are
Speaker 3: out there on the field. And honestly, I think about
Speaker 3: that in the context of politics as well, and how
Speaker 3: you sort of balance all of those things. And you know,
Speaker 3: our fields not just a board of directors of one
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty people that I don't pick even if
Speaker 3: I did, how do you get consensus with one hundred
Speaker 3: and twenty people on the legislature and then you forty
Speaker 3: million people that you quote unquote serve that pay your salary.
Speaker 3: So it's a different construct, but it's the same I
Speaker 3: think fundamental A challenge is balancing that decision making in
Speaker 3: the context of how that decision making ultimately will be
Speaker 3: implemented and absorbed.
Speaker 2: We'll also look at Marshawn. I know, we talked about it.
Speaker 5: You know, when John Schneider traded for Marshawn, it revamped
Speaker 5: the entire organization. They get to they win a Super Bowl,
Speaker 5: get back to another one. There's only one other team
Speaker 5: at that time that was interested to trading from Marshawn.
Speaker 5: That was Green Bay and a lot had to do
Speaker 5: with Aaron Rodgers. Okay, because the Packers never traded for people.
Speaker 5: Back then, they still didn't trade for it. But the
Speaker 5: point I'm trying to make is that you had one team, Gavin,
Speaker 5: that was willing to jump out and say, you know
Speaker 5: what I'm going not there's no chance on his talent,
Speaker 5: but there's a chance on making it all work together.
Speaker 2: But they did it. Look what happened to that team.
Speaker 5: But a lot of these gms come in and are
Speaker 5: afraid to trade up in the draft. They're afraid to
Speaker 5: get a fragian, they're afraid to take a gamble on
Speaker 5: a player. And you can't win if you don't do that.
Speaker 5: You can't sit back and say I'm gonna take my
Speaker 5: eight picks and not go into free agency and not
Speaker 5: gamble and do something.
Speaker 2: You have to be able to will and to roll
Speaker 2: the dice a little.
Speaker 3: Bit pretty you think about it with the Niners, that
Speaker 3: with Trey, with Lance and the first round draft choice,
Speaker 3: and you know, and and so far their GM is
Speaker 3: living to fight another day. And some you're to your point,
Speaker 3: you know, you know, you get you know, miss one
Speaker 3: hundred percent of the shots you don't take. But the
Speaker 3: flip side of that, as well as some sort of
Speaker 3: legendary screw ups as it relates to some of those
Speaker 3: picks or draft moving up in a draft, uh, and
Speaker 3: then falling flat on your face and you destroy your
Speaker 3: franchise for a decade because you skipped someone of you know,
Speaker 3: epic talent to get someone no talent. So look, decisions
Speaker 3: are tough, leadership's tough, but the buck stops. And it's
Speaker 3: I think the buck in this case is next level
Speaker 3: to your point about these owners, now, I mean they're
Speaker 3: you know this is I mean, these guys always get
Speaker 3: what they want in their private lives and they expect
Speaker 3: when they own a franchise that they should be able
Speaker 3: to get that on the field. Uh. And uh, it's
Speaker 3: it's that's this short termism is not good for the
Speaker 3: sport uh and obviously not good for these franchises.
Speaker 2: Well, I got a question a few Marshawn.
Speaker 5: This has comes from Stacy and she wants some relationship
Speaker 5: advice for Marshawn.
Speaker 1: Oh, the only one who lives does not Mary.
Speaker 2: So here's the question.
Speaker 5: I am currently in a long distant relationship with a
Speaker 5: guy in Oakland, I live in New Hampshire. Whenever I
Speaker 5: text him first, which is rare, he takes sometimes hours
Speaker 5: to respond and tells me is busy with his work
Speaker 5: on the flip side. When he texts me first, he
Speaker 5: expects me to drop everything I'm doing and immediately talk
Speaker 5: to him or else he becomes our rate.
Speaker 2: What do I do about the double standard? Give me
Speaker 2: some counsel.
Speaker 5: That's to you, Marshawn, Oh gosh, this.
Speaker 3: Relationship advice?
Speaker 4: You fear me.
Speaker 1: I'm not even I think it's just because they're in
Speaker 1: front of town. And I mean if he said he
Speaker 1: was busy, I mean, if he ain't gave you no
Speaker 1: other reason to not believe that, then yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: you got to take it for face value. But you know,
Speaker 1: women got something called up women's intuition that they be
Speaker 1: learning with. And if that's what you feel, maybe you
Speaker 1: gotta make your decision. And we were just talking about decision.
Speaker 1: Gotta make it and you gotta stick with it.
Speaker 5: And by the way, maybe she can move out of
Speaker 5: New Hampshire. I've been there a couple of times. It's
Speaker 5: not a lot of New Hampshire's unbelievable.
Speaker 3: Do you by the way, Hey, no, no, you don't
Speaker 3: go hate on New Hampshire. Man, what a beautiful damn state.
Speaker 1: I mean long distant relationships. I mean, you know, I
Speaker 1: mean they can be hard. They can be hard, for sure.
Speaker 1: You gotta have a lot of trust, a lot of trust,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And a lot of faith.
Speaker 1: A lot of trust and a lot of faith.
Speaker 5: So Stacey, we're gonna send you some Southwest vouchers to
Speaker 5: get you out to oklahmore often.
Speaker 2: And then you see your boyfriend and I do it good.
Speaker 3: I mean, this guy, this is a marshaun. I appreciate
Speaker 3: your relationship advice, brother, that's all sound.
Speaker 5: I got one here for you, Gavin, from a concerned teacher.
Speaker 5: And we know about teachers.
Speaker 4: We got kids, Yes, sir.
Speaker 2: Mister Newsom, I am a teacher.
Speaker 5: I've read that the Department of Education is possibly going
Speaker 5: to be demolished. Thinking of the effects this will have.
Speaker 5: As a CTA union member, should we be proactive and
Speaker 5: learn more about what this will mean for teachers. I've
Speaker 5: also heard about detention centers and knowing the students, my students' families,
Speaker 5: I worry. I know it's a lot on the teacher's minds,
Speaker 5: how funds and SPED will be affected.
Speaker 2: What can we do now? Any advice?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think the questions pretty grounded in
Speaker 3: legit concern. You got Vince McMahon's ex wife who's going
Speaker 3: to be running federally the Department of Education.
Speaker 5: Wait, the wrestlers, the wrestlers at the Vince McMahon dooc.
Speaker 5: I just saw the WW guy. His wife's running the
Speaker 5: Department of educator.
Speaker 3: By the way, she's no dummy, So I just want
Speaker 3: to want to say this, she's not and I don't
Speaker 3: say that as a pejorative. She ran the small business aministration.
Speaker 3: She's extraordinarily bright, but I don't know of any real
Speaker 3: history she has on public education. And the guy that
Speaker 3: is appointing her the future president wants to eliminate the
Speaker 3: Department of Education. He ran on it. So the question
Speaker 3: is he's going to follow through on his campaign promise.
Speaker 3: My concern is less about her and more about his
Speaker 3: intention to do exactly what our listener is concerned about.
Speaker 3: But that said, it's such a small margin in Congress.
Speaker 3: You got to get congressional approval. We just want a
Speaker 3: big race out here in California. It's it's literally a
Speaker 3: two vote margin now in the House of Representatives in Congress,
Speaker 3: and so I don't know that they're ever going to
Speaker 3: pass something that completely vanalyzes the Department of Education. But
Speaker 3: we've gamed it out California. It's I think, and don't
Speaker 3: quote me, but I think it's seven point nine billion
Speaker 3: dollars that's at risk if they eliminated all the federal
Speaker 3: funds come into the states, so it's not inconsequential. But
Speaker 3: you know, I can't imagine they'll be able to pull
Speaker 3: it off. But we're preparing for the worst case scenario,
Speaker 3: and we'll have the backs of our damn teachers. Uh,
Speaker 3: don't don't you worry.
Speaker 2: Good appreciate that, Gavin. I'll let her know.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: Question, Marshawn, this is for you, Uh coming out Black Friday,
Speaker 5: Cyber Monday's coming up. We've loved the Besmo products back
Speaker 5: in the day. What are you looking forward for Christmas?
Speaker 5: Any Bestmo stuff we can buy? And what do you
Speaker 5: recommend that's on your Haliday list?
Speaker 1: Man? Damn, I'm I'm pretty simple when it comes to
Speaker 1: that kind of shit.
Speaker 5: Eh, don't buy the Oro Ran I can tell you that.
Speaker 5: Don't don't do that.
Speaker 1: She just lost a sponsor, Dan, you loss of sponsors.
Speaker 1: When I'm living some simple I'm gonna have to think
Speaker 1: about that.
Speaker 5: All right, Well we'll bring that back in the next episode.
Speaker 5: What do you want, Gavin? Tell me what do you want?
Speaker 4: Avin?
Speaker 3: You know what I was humbled yesterday. There's a guy,
Speaker 3: unbelievable guy that's that's worked in three administrations, who had
Speaker 3: his birthday yesterday, John, and we in our office and
Speaker 3: John's a rock star in every way, shape or form.
Speaker 3: He's he's a young man with special needs. And I said,
Speaker 3: what are you hoping to get for your birthday? And
Speaker 3: he literally lit up and got emotional because he said,
Speaker 3: I think I'm going to get what I want. I
Speaker 3: was like, what is it, John, This is amazing. He says,
Speaker 3: black socks and white socks, and I was like, damn.
Speaker 3: And it was like it was like he was touched
Speaker 3: just by the question. He was so excited. I asked,
Speaker 3: and he said, that's what he really wants and he
Speaker 3: thinks he's going to get that, And it made me
Speaker 3: just adjust all my I literally was thinking, like I'm
Speaker 3: going through, you know, the list of what all the
Speaker 3: kids want and everything else. I got to meet John.
Speaker 5: Man, get his info. We'll get him some beast smote
Speaker 5: socks right now out to him. The care package I'm
Speaker 5: that serious.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, But you know what, that's just a different
Speaker 3: level of you know, I mean in terms of just
Speaker 3: setting your own expectations of life and having a framework
Speaker 3: of gratitude. Uh. And this is a guy just filled
Speaker 3: with joy all time and fills our damn office with joy.
Speaker 3: He worked for the Schwarzenegger administration. He's still with us.
Speaker 3: And I joked, I said, in a couple of years, man,
Speaker 3: you're gonna work for another governor. He's like yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: like Jesus, we come and go. And John's still with us.
Speaker 3: He does the mailroom at the office, and he's a
Speaker 3: rock star. And it's a good life lesson. So my
Speaker 3: Christmas list just got pared down, though I do want
Speaker 3: some shoes. Man, you guys are good giving me shoes
Speaker 3: side size twelve, twelve and a half, that's all. So
Speaker 3: I love every time you guys get me with Snoop
Speaker 3: gets those shoes. Those you know we love you.
Speaker 5: Only guys know that like you grew between the twelve
Speaker 5: and twelve and a half. They think either you're twelve
Speaker 5: or twelve and a half.
Speaker 3: I know I'm both. It depends on the damn make
Speaker 3: of the shoe. Just saying though I do like those
Speaker 3: Snoop sketchers no bs, thank you Snoop.
Speaker 4: They are nice.
Speaker 5: So Govin got another list your question here from Grace,
Speaker 5: and her question is thank you for all that you're
Speaker 5: doing on this podcast and engaging with listeners.
Speaker 2: Gavin.
Speaker 5: In twenty three, you are someone claiming to be you
Speaker 5: made your first and last public post on Blue Sky.
Speaker 5: Oh lash forward to now there are a number of
Speaker 5: people in your comments section begging you to come back.
Speaker 2: Will you please appease them?
Speaker 3: You can't even make this up. We literally now are
Speaker 3: doing simultaneous posts on X and Blue Sky, which is interesting.
Speaker 3: And I love the question timely question because there I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, by any objective measure, the toxicity on X
Speaker 3: is next level and there's not a lot of confidence
Speaker 3: is going to get any better, as the editorial side
Speaker 3: of it is completely just gone, and a lot of
Speaker 3: vile and terrible things have said on that platform, and
Speaker 3: Blue Sky has provided an alternative that everybody's been hoping
Speaker 3: for for some time. This even pre dates you know,
Speaker 3: I must taking over Twitter and and moving it to X.
Speaker 3: This notion that you just don't want one platform to
Speaker 3: dominate and Blue Skuy's literally getting all this renewed attention
Speaker 3: and traction, and as a consequence, we're now posting consistently.
Speaker 3: So we're back on it, and we're really excited about
Speaker 3: the traction. And I don't know, I don't want to
Speaker 3: overstate or over promote, because there's other platforms, threads and
Speaker 3: other things, but Blue Sky seems to be taking off
Speaker 3: in a way that some of us had hoped it
Speaker 3: would or another platform would, and so I think it's
Speaker 3: incredibly important that we get out there. By the way, Doug,
Speaker 3: you know this, man, I'm not shy. It's not a
Speaker 3: political statement.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: I went on true Social. I think it was the
Speaker 3: first Democrat or one of the first, certainly, I think
Speaker 3: it was the first governor democratic governor to go on
Speaker 3: true Social. I thought it was important to meet people
Speaker 3: where they are. So it's not a partisan lens which
Speaker 3: I see the world. It's just opportunity to engage people
Speaker 3: and to not be frankly held hostage by the whims
Speaker 3: of one individual who's could change the algorithms or could
Speaker 3: continue to pollute a platform by allowing a lot of
Speaker 3: hate uh and anti Semitism and other things that are
Speaker 3: pretty ubiquitous on X Today.
Speaker 2: Well and for and for this listener also in a
Speaker 2: parallel this question.
Speaker 5: Uh, and I appreciate Gavin you going on that and
Speaker 5: going on the shows you've gone on.
Speaker 2: Uh, it was interesting.
Speaker 5: Charlemagne the God went on the view and reference the
Speaker 5: fact of what you're doing, and you're not afraid to
Speaker 5: go on the shows. And and I think our listener
Speaker 5: is going to see a lot more of that from
Speaker 5: you as well as we go continue. Correct, whether it
Speaker 5: be podcasts, whether it be TV shows, You're going to
Speaker 5: go on the lines Den per se.
Speaker 2: But it's no more lines Den.
Speaker 5: Because these are all people that have real issues and
Speaker 5: you're there to meet the people. And that's what Charlemagne said,
Speaker 5: that you're going to go meet the people and hear
Speaker 5: are the issues.
Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate that he that you reference that, and
Speaker 3: you know, and I'm grateful to him. And obviously he's
Speaker 3: got you know, next level platform and his podcast is
Speaker 3: blown up and it's you know, it's a must, you
Speaker 3: know for if you're running for tional office. You know
Speaker 3: from the from Vice President herself that was on there
Speaker 3: just a few weeks before the election. Uh, it's important.
Speaker 3: But you can't just you know, run in the blue lane.
Speaker 3: You can't run just in the independent lane. You got
Speaker 3: to run in all lanes. As I said, you've got
Speaker 3: to meet people where they where they are, and you
Speaker 3: can't talk down to people, you can't talk past people.
Speaker 3: And you got to respect people I've ever disagree with them,
Speaker 3: and and so that's been my approach for some time.
Speaker 3: And that's why again we went on True Social and
Speaker 3: that's why we did that debate with Ron DeSantis. That's
Speaker 3: why we we you know, we've we've reached out to
Speaker 3: Hannity and I go on Newsmax periodically and uh, and
Speaker 3: I want to do a lot more of that because
Speaker 3: you continue to do what you've done, you'll get what
Speaker 3: you got. And we just can't afford to be talking
Speaker 3: past each other. There's so much at stake, and so
Speaker 3: again it's it's trying to, you know, just to break
Speaker 3: out of those traditional safe places and and and look,
Speaker 3: Blue Sky's a big part of that, just breaking out
Speaker 3: of the sort of the dominance that that is X
Speaker 3: in terms of platforming. So many of us that are
Speaker 3: concerned that, you know, their voices may not be heard
Speaker 3: if on the whims of one individual, they as a
Speaker 3: private owner, can make a determination on one of the
Speaker 3: biggest platforms for civic engagement on the globe. So it's
Speaker 3: really really important that more of us do more things
Speaker 3: than it rate. And so grateful for Charlotte Mane saying that.
Speaker 5: Today and Gavin in twenty five, I do see, are
Speaker 5: you going to be even more active than you already have,
Speaker 5: which has been next level active, but going to you know,
Speaker 5: back in the Central Valley and going up to the
Speaker 5: northern region of Californian and Humboldt County in those areas
Speaker 5: and all over throughout California and do sort of the
Speaker 5: I don't want to say knocking the doors, but town
Speaker 5: halls and just meeting the people.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm pretty proud of the last three weeks I've
Speaker 3: been with three Republican mayors and three parts of the state,
Speaker 3: two of the most conservative and rural parts of California
Speaker 3: and Kerrent County that overwhelmingly went for Donald Trump in Fresno,
Speaker 3: which was a little more mixed, but with the former
Speaker 3: Republican mayor, Ashley Schweringen, and I just think it's incredibly
Speaker 3: important that we meet people again where they are, not
Speaker 3: just from a platform perspective, but get back into communities,
Speaker 3: frankly where where people don't think we care and they
Speaker 3: think we sort of fly over or drive through. And
Speaker 3: you know, I've been out there a lot, but I
Speaker 3: need to keep coming back and remind people over and
Speaker 3: over and over again that they matter and we care.
Speaker 3: And I can't turn my back on someone just because
Speaker 3: they disagree with me. Doesn't mean I'll stand back. And
Speaker 3: you know, watch you know progress or you know the
Speaker 3: twenty first century unraveled either. I mean, we'll push back
Speaker 3: when we need to, but with respect and open hand,
Speaker 3: not a closed fist. So no, you'll be seeing a
Speaker 3: lot more of that, and also trying to get on
Speaker 3: some of these podcasts, not just trying to get on
Speaker 3: this on this podcast, saying yes to a lot of
Speaker 3: the requests and some of the even more and more
Speaker 3: conservative podcast hosts out there that you know, are these
Speaker 3: longer form, one two hour podcasts. So definitely, definitely Doug
Speaker 3: gonna be doing a lot more of that.
Speaker 2: Good Hey, Doug.
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Speaker 5: It's Politicken at iHeartRadio dot com. That's Politicken at iHeartRadio
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