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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in Thursday edition, Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate

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Speaker 2: all of you hanging out with us. My goodness, we

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Speaker 2: have got a bevy of stories for you. Hunter Biden

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Speaker 2: potentially going to be indicted before the end of the month.

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Speaker 2: What do we think about it, What is coming? What

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Speaker 2: will that look like? We will discuss and also Andy

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Speaker 2: McCarthy will join us in the third hour, former prosecutor.

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Speaker 2: Is he surprised by the way that this story came out?

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Speaker 2: What is the significance huge poll coming out from CNN

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Speaker 2: early this morning. Some of you may have seen it.

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Speaker 2: It has Trump up one point on Joe Biden, but

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Speaker 2: the data inside of that poll is devastating for Joe Biden.

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Speaker 2: And that's actually where I want to start, Buck, because

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Speaker 2: a lot of talk has been out there about Trump,

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Speaker 2: and certainly we have spent a great deal of time

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Speaker 2: discussing Trump. But I flagged several things that jumped out

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Speaker 2: at me from the CNN poll that continue to make

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Speaker 2: me question, what in the world is going to happen

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Speaker 2: on the Democrat side, not on the Republican side. On

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Speaker 2: the Democrat side, and in particular, some of these numbers

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Speaker 2: when you look at them, are so brutal for Joe Biden.

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Speaker 2: I think that Democrats have to be beginning, beginning, if

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Speaker 2: they aren't already privately, to panic and let me hit

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Speaker 2: you with these, Buck, because I saw this, and I said,

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Speaker 2: sixty one percent of this CNN poll say Joe Biden

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Speaker 2: was involved in Hunter's business dealings. Sixty one percent. That's

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Speaker 2: a lot. Forty two percent already before impeachment, before much

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Speaker 2: of the media has even covered that, say Joe Biden

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Speaker 2: engaged in illegal acts. As if that were not enough,

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Speaker 2: that the percentages out here are disastrous. Biden has a

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Speaker 2: thirty nine percent approval rating buck just seventy four percent

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Speaker 2: in Democrats. Fifty eight percent of voters say Biden's policies

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Speaker 2: are worsening the economy. Sixty seven percent of Democrats want

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Speaker 2: a different candidate than Joe Biden. Should Democrats be panicking

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Speaker 2: based on where we're sitting right now, would every Republican

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Speaker 2: candidate beat Joe Biden?

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Speaker 3: It's so early, you know, this is the part of

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Speaker 3: it now.

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Speaker 2: Right now, and we're not talking about in November, but

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Speaker 2: just right now, if the election were going on, how

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Speaker 2: would you assess this?

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Speaker 3: Should they be panicked so hard? Look, I think that

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Speaker 3: the country has now been broken down into a situation

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Speaker 3: where any Republican gets a certain percentage of the voted,

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Speaker 3: any Democrat gets a certain percentage of the voted, and

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Speaker 3: it's like forty seven or forty eight, right. I mean,

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Speaker 3: you're not going to have a massive swing. There is

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Speaker 3: no realistic future here of a sixty forty national landslide.

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Speaker 3: I don't think anybody believes that that's possible right now.

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Speaker 3: Now that could change, but right now, all the numbers

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Speaker 3: indicate this will be a very very tight election. So

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Speaker 3: you're really having to get down into parsing the last

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Speaker 3: two or three percent and what is realistic where that

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Speaker 3: would break down, what states would get the turnout that

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Speaker 3: you would need. So it's interesting. But again, I think

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Speaker 3: that we're looking at this where we haven't yet seen

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Speaker 3: the Democrat rollout. And I don't want to be e

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Speaker 3: or here, but I guess I will be. We haven't

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Speaker 3: seen the rollout of First of all, the indictments are

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Speaker 3: going to be followed by all kinds of legal wrangling

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Speaker 3: and new stories, and I'm not even talking about the

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Speaker 3: legal process of it, which will be a problem too

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Speaker 3: for Trump to handle. But they're going to have a

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Speaker 3: whole campaign, and the campaign is going to be it's

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Speaker 3: not targeted at our audience. Right Everyone that we talked

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Speaker 3: to is like, this is crazy, it's politicized targeting, or

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Speaker 3: not everybody, but vast majority of the people that are

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Speaker 3: listening to us right now recognize the unfairness of what

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Speaker 3: is being done to Trump and therefore rally to him

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Speaker 3: even more. I mean, I know people that were iffy

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Speaker 3: about Trump before the indictments, Republicans who are now like, sorry,

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Speaker 3: we have to do this.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: So that's going on. But the Democrats are going to

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Speaker 3: be running a campaign based on getting the last two

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Speaker 3: and that's where I just worry that it's going to

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Speaker 3: to be like a twenty twenty two situation all over again,

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Speaker 3: where we it should be based on polling, economy, crime, immigration,

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Speaker 3: my concern Again. I don't think that when you look

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Speaker 3: at the options for not Joe Biden, for Democrats. They

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Speaker 3: see what I mean? That's how I break it down.

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Speaker 2: I think that they are starting to panic, and I

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Speaker 3: Privately for this reason. I think there is a strong argument.

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Speaker 2: That they expected for four different felony states right district

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Speaker 2: and instead of moving numbers, they may have strengthened Trump somewhat,

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Speaker 2: which is I think starting to set off alarm bells

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Speaker 3: And I would say this, but yeah, so what I

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Speaker 3: didn't mean to cut you off, but just alarm bells,

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Speaker 3: meaning what are they going to do?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: That's the part of it. I think you're right that

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Speaker 3: there's concern, but I just don't think they have any

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Speaker 3: see with Kamala taking over, Oh, it can't be Kamala.

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Speaker 2: That That's why I've said from the get go that

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Speaker 2: Biden has to When I say step down, I mean

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Speaker 2: announced that he's not running again.

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Speaker 3: I don't mean let Kamala ascend.

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Speaker 2: So you mean the open Democrat primary, Yes, because I

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Speaker 3: So here here's my take on this.

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Speaker 2: And I'm talking as if I were a Democrat, all right,

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Speaker 2: pretend that all I care about to winning, which I

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Speaker 2: think it's fair to say. The Democrat perspective is, I

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Speaker 2: am looking at all these numbers for Joe Biden. Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden is the weakest incumbent president since Jimmy Carter, and

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Speaker 2: his numbers are potentially going to be worse than Jimmy Carter's.

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Carter and I didn't live through this election. I mean,

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Speaker 2: his issue was everything was failing around him, but nobody

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Speaker 2: doubted that he was a smart guy. Biden, to me, Buck,

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Speaker 2: if it's Biden Trump, it is Biden's dementia and or

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Speaker 2: his physical and mental incompetence versus Trump's felony charges. And

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people out there, Buck, and

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Speaker 2: again I'm talking as if I'm a Democrat. If they

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Speaker 2: line those two things up, seventy four percent of Americans

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Speaker 2: don't think that Joe Biden is physically or mentally capable

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Speaker 2: if you are someone in the middle, I think one

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Speaker 3: You don't show up.

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Speaker 2: And I still think that we're going to see a

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Speaker 2: lower turnout in twenty twenty four if it's a rematch

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Speaker 2: of Trump v. Biden. Second part of this, you might decide,

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Speaker 2: even if you don't like Trump that when you're basically

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Speaker 2: in competence, I think that Trump is going to win

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Speaker 2: and increasingly, and again I'm talking right now, because there

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Speaker 2: are lots of crazy things that can happen. If this

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Speaker 2: two months from now, I think that every Republican who's

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Speaker 2: starting to recognize it. And then you add in this book,

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Speaker 2: Biden's issues are not going to get better. A year

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Speaker 2: ten years. He's only going to get worse, and I

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Speaker 3: I love your optimism. I do, honestly. Like some days

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Speaker 3: I show up here, I'm like, I don't know, man

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Speaker 3: is the Republic doom? I'm like Clay thinks we're going

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Speaker 3: to be. Okay, we're gonna have it. We have a

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Speaker 3: stake bed on I We've had it for a long time.

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Speaker 3: Biden's I believe, going to be the nominee. I hope

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Speaker 3: this is the nominee. Now I'm afraid that he won't be.

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Speaker 3: But I think he's the worst candidate.

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Speaker 2: So but but just answer your question earlier, I think

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Speaker 2: he's actually worse than any other Democrat candidate, almost other

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Speaker 3: Right, So, as I was saying, I think he's still

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Speaker 3: going to end up being the god that they try

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Speaker 3: to get Democrats to vote for next year. You think

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Speaker 3: the open primary process to logistically work, unless they're going

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Speaker 3: to try some last minute Shenanigan's at the Democrat National Convention,

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Speaker 3: So I do think there are forces on the Democrat

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Speaker 3: very nervous. I guess you could. You know, panic might

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Speaker 3: Their minds are going to be set on it doesn't

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Speaker 3: If I really believe that, well then why not let

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Speaker 3: numbers show that she has even weaker. She's even weaker

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Speaker 3: So this to me is this one moment in time

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Speaker 3: I think that they believe Kamala Harris would be a

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Speaker 3: better option than an open primary fight, just because to

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Speaker 3: do what's likelier for them. Because remember if if Biden,

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Speaker 3: Biden saying he's not running would open up a prime,

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Speaker 3: would open up the primary, right, Biden just stepping down

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Speaker 3: entirely would mean that Kamala Harris becomes the president. The

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Speaker 3: elevation of Kamala to the presidency is probably a less challenging,

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Speaker 3: less expensive political reality for Democrats than trying to have

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Speaker 3: a primary fight, in my opinion. But this is also

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Speaker 3: all to say, Clay, nobody knows man. I mean, we're

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Speaker 3: so early in this process. We haven't even seen the

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Speaker 3: We haven't seen whether or not the Democrats have any

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Speaker 3: Trump's going to he's going to prison, He's going to

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Speaker 3: all these different trials. And I remind everybody Barack Obama

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Speaker 1: Keeping it real, keeping it honest. Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 3: Hey, the mayor of our biggest city saying that all

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Speaker 2: It's far worse now than it was then. She won't

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Speaker 3: So I'll tell you the plan here. It's a couple

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Speaker 3: costing the taxpayer spread out around the country trying to actually,

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Speaker 3: you know, support them, pay for everything, pay for their

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Speaker 3: schooling and all the rest of it. Democrats have no

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Speaker 3: answer for this. This is I think one of their

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Speaker 3: biggest political weaknesses. But you need someone who can make

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Speaker 3: the case and stick to it, and I have not

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Speaker 3: heard enough from any I'm gonna say this from any

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Speaker 3: Republican candidate on immigration and the problems at the border,

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Speaker 3: and I think it needs to change. I think that's

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Speaker 3: well said. Here's one of the challenges.

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Speaker 2: Is Biden so bad at everything that it makes it

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Speaker 2: hard to focus on any one thing and hammer import.

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Speaker 3: I mean just in terms of messaging.

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Speaker 2: When you think about it, crime is a disaster, the

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Speaker 2: border is a disaster, the economy is a disasters are

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Speaker 2: a disaster.

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Speaker 3: I gotta throw a flag here, mister Clay. He doesn't

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Speaker 3: get blamed for the crime thing. I didn't. This is

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Speaker 3: one area where he escaped all the because he he said, we.

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Speaker 2: Didn't support defunding the police, which was a smart didn't

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Speaker 2: support play.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he didn't support defund because he knew that was

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Speaker 3: super unpopular with the electorate that he needed to fool right.

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Speaker 3: So on crime, they'll say that's a state and local issue.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't really nail him. On the border, total total disaster.

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Speaker 3: You know, the economy is not good, but it's not

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Speaker 3: as bad as his critics were saying it would be

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Speaker 3: at this point, so that starts to become now. I

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Speaker 3: think that may change. I think we could be going

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Speaker 3: into I know they. I think the latest gold min

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Speaker 3: Sachs esked him. It says like a ten or fifteen

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Speaker 3: percent or maybe it was Morgan Stanley one of those

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Speaker 3: places ten or fifteen percent chance of for session next year.

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Speaker 3: I think it's much higher than that.

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Speaker 2: Here's what I think. And I say this because I

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Speaker 2: was talking about this with you off air. People know

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Speaker 2: that the economy is broken based on inflation, and they're

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Speaker 2: just waiting for it to be explained to them. And

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Speaker 2: I just keep hammering this home. I can't go through

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Speaker 2: a drive through with my kids. I did it again

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Speaker 2: yesterday without spending fifty dollars on.

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Speaker 3: Hamburgers and French Fries.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that there's a Hamburger's and French Fries

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Speaker 2: like economy scale out there. We know the price of

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Speaker 2: gas people react to. I think that every person who's

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Speaker 2: listening to me out there right now that takes their

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Speaker 2: kids through a drive through every time they go through,

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Speaker 2: they think, I can't believe that McDonald's just cost me

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Speaker 2: and my family fifty five bucks. And I think that

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Speaker 2: creates in the same way.

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Speaker 3: That when you're standing there with the pump in your hand. Anger.

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Speaker 2: Inflation might be three percent now, but it's three percent

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Speaker 2: or four percent or whatever it is on top of

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Speaker 2: the double digits that it's increased real money in their pockets.

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Speaker 2: People have less than they did before Joe Biden became president.

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Speaker 3: Here's the problem. And I know this. I can already

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Speaker 3: feel that people. Some people are not gonna want to

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Speaker 3: hear this. I'm just reciting a fact that's going to

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Speaker 3: come into play. It certainly came into play in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty two when inflation was even worse, and it's going

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Speaker 3: to come I'm into play in twenty twenty four. Trump

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Speaker 3: spend six trillion dollars in one year. It's just that's

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Speaker 3: the problem with saying, did Biden need to spend the

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Speaker 3: two trillion at the beginning of his term? No, of

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Speaker 3: course not. Was that reckless? Yeah he did it because

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Speaker 3: he goes, well, if Trump could spend six to deal

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Speaker 3: with COVID, I mean I can spend too, right, nobody.

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Speaker 3: I mean he wanted to spend five more, which is

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Speaker 3: now we all realize, like arsonists with the gas can

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Speaker 3: level crazy for the economy. But I'm just saying the narrative,

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Speaker 3: you know, how they're gonna break this down whenever, and

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Speaker 3: if they actually get to a debate, God even knows

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Speaker 3: if that's gonna happen, or Trump and Biden gonna end

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Speaker 3: up debating. I don't know. I don't know if anyone knows.

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Speaker 3: But on stage, Trump's gonna say look what you've done

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Speaker 3: with inflation, and Biden's gonna look at them and say,

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Speaker 3: you spend six trillion dollars in one year and you

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Speaker 3: started the lockdowns. And now in the primary people can

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Speaker 3: say whatever they want, they say, oh, it's not Trump's

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Speaker 3: fault or whatever. In a general election that becomes a problem,

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Speaker 3: that becomes a problem. This is what I know. This

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Speaker 3: is why I know. I know, man.

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Speaker 2: I just think it's gonna be data point that is

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Speaker 2: going to blow people's mind, and I think it's important

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Speaker 2: to keep hammering at home.

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Speaker 3: We failed on COVID. As a country, we failed.

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Speaker 2: We spent more money on COVID than we did inflation

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Speaker 2: adjusted to win World War Two. We spent more money

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Speaker 2: fighting a virus than we did the Nazis.

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Speaker 3: You know, and most of that money was spent in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty under Republican president. This is the problem, and

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Speaker 3: we're gonna have to face it. We're gonna have to

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Speaker 3: face it going into the general election. We you know,

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Speaker 3: we can ignore it now for the primary. People can

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Speaker 3: want whoever they want. That's fine, But Joe Bid this

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Speaker 3: is what I mean, Clay. So look, we look at

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Speaker 3: how bad Biden is. Yeah, it's really bad. But there's

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Speaker 3: There's there's ways they will I know how they're going

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Speaker 3: get very imp get very quickly. What do you think

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Speaker 1: Off speaking truth and having fun. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.

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Speaker 3: Ooh, welcome back in.

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Speaker 2: I hope all of you are having fantastic Thursdays wherever

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Speaker 2: you may be across this great country. We've got a

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Speaker 2: lot to discuss, but let's go ahead and bring our

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Speaker 2: good friend who has done an incredible job bringing everything

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Speaker 2: and making sense of the larger world. Andy, thank you

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Speaker 2: for goodness trying to make sense of this world. Let's

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Speaker 2: start right here. Andy McCarthy is with us. You are

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Speaker 2: an incredible guy who has seen all sorts of craziness

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Speaker 2: over the years. Let's start with the latest with Hunter Biden.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever seen a situation where people come out

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Speaker 2: and say, hey, we're going to go and try to

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Speaker 2: basically saying, hey, we're going to try and indict him,

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Speaker 2: and as a result, we're going to do this over

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Speaker 2: the last several weeks. What's going on here.

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Speaker 4: I think plays that this is a pattern with this prosecutor,

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Speaker 4: A term I used loosely because every prosecutor either ever

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Speaker 4: either been or known or worked with they were trying

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Speaker 4: to make cases, and this guy has been trying for

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Speaker 4: five years to disappear a case. So that's that's kind

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Speaker 4: of new in my experience. But I think the pattern

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Speaker 4: with this guy is that he gets cornered, so he

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Speaker 4: says what he thinks he needs to say to get

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Speaker 4: out of the room. I think that's what he did

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Speaker 4: with the you know, when he gave the con job

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Speaker 4: for the whistleblower agents, when he told them that these

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Speaker 4: bad Biden appointed prosecutors were blocking him from bringing charges

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Speaker 4: in Los Angeles and Washington, when, like anybody who knows

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Speaker 4: anything about the Justice Department knows, one US attorney can't

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Speaker 4: stop another US attorney from bringing charges. Those kinds of

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Speaker 4: turf battles happen all the time you go in the

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Speaker 4: Justice Department. The Attorney General makes a ruling, and if

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Speaker 4: Merrick Garland wanted the Bidens charge or Hunter Biden charge,

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Speaker 4: he would have just ordered the US attorney in Los

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Speaker 4: Angeles to Washington to work with wife, right, So, you know,

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Speaker 4: he says what he needs to say to get out

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Speaker 4: an uncomfortable situation. Everybody should understand when he said yesterday's

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Speaker 4: wife that he may indict Hunter Biden in the next

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Speaker 4: two weeks, it wasn't because he wanted to put that

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Speaker 4: information out. It was because the judge put his feet

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Speaker 4: to the fire. The judge gave him. The judge was afraid,

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Speaker 4: having had this guy once before tried to pull the

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Speaker 4: wool over her eyes. She was afraid. Basically, he was

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Speaker 4: just gonna lay low in the tall grass and let

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Speaker 4: the case peter out. And the Statute of limitations runs

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Speaker 4: at the end of the month. So she ordered him

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Speaker 4: by September sixth to give her a status report of

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Speaker 4: what was going to have of where they were at

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Speaker 4: with the case. And I think he went in and

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Speaker 4: basically said what he had to say to get out

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Speaker 4: of the room, which is, you know, the statute of

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Speaker 4: limitations runs by the twenty ninth, and we expect to

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Speaker 4: indict by then. Doesn't mean he has indict. It's not

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Speaker 4: an enforceable commitment. But my point to people is this

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Speaker 4: is the layup case of all time. It's the easiest

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Speaker 4: case of all time. It would take about ten to

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Speaker 4: fifteen minutes to present this to a grand jury. It's

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Speaker 4: a one paragraph indictment, So why plan to indict after

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Speaker 4: five years? Why not say indict? You know, you wouldn't

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Speaker 4: give a status report to the court you wouldn't have

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Speaker 4: to do anything. You'd just come in, wave the one

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Speaker 4: paragraph indictment and say here, I've done it. Why keep

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Speaker 4: talking about this? If?

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Speaker 3: Well, Andy, what happens though, if your inclination on this

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Speaker 3: is correct and he just kind of says, whoopsie didn't

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Speaker 3: get it in in time, too complicated before that statute

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Speaker 3: of limitations? Does he face any actual sanctions? I mean,

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Speaker 3: can the judge do anything? Really?

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Speaker 4: I don't see how buck, because you know, it's black

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Speaker 4: letter constitutional law that a court cannot order a prosecutor

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Speaker 4: to charge someone. So all she did what she could

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Speaker 4: do because she is now the judge of the cases before,

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Speaker 4: because I guess wife probably now feels like he made

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Speaker 4: the mistake of filing actual documents in front of her

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Speaker 4: six weeks ago. So now the case has a judge

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Speaker 4: and she's being diligent, So she's asking him for a

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Speaker 4: status report, but she can't force them to charge. And look,

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Speaker 4: you know, if he could be sanctioned her like irresponsibly

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Speaker 4: letting a case go, how about what's gone on to

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Speaker 4: the last five years. I mean he's now he's so

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Speaker 4: destroyed this case that, for example, if you wanted to

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Speaker 4: try to make a case based on, say, the bribery

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Speaker 4: evidence we're hearing about during the Obama administration when Biden

651
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Speaker 4: was vice president.

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Speaker 3: Those charges are.

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Speaker 4: Gone now every you know, I think I'm sure I've

654
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Speaker 4: told you guys this before, and you know this anyhow.

655
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Speaker 4: But it's a five year statute of limitations for most

656
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Speaker 4: federal crimes, six years on tax Everything prior to twenty

657
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Speaker 4: seventeen is gone.

658
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Speaker 3: Have you.

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Speaker 2: Seen the grand jury ever get basically be told in

660
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Speaker 2: public in the same way before we ever grant the jury.

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Speaker 2: And do you think it's possible that they just make

662
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Speaker 2: the decide the decision not to even bring any kind

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Speaker 2: of charge, Like, could they put this in front of

664
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Speaker 2: the jury and fail in terms of where they might

665
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Speaker 2: put this?

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Speaker 3: Is that possible to well?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, First of all, we should remember there is no

668
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Speaker 4: grand jury at this point. Nothing he has filed but

669
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Speaker 4: the papers that he filed six weeks ago in court.

670
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Speaker 4: The idea was the case was going to go away,

671
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Speaker 4: so Hunter was waiving his right to be First of all,

672
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Speaker 4: there was no reason to indict because it was misdemeanor charges,

673
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Speaker 4: which the US attorney could bring without a grand jury,

674
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Speaker 4: and the diversion agreement on the gun doesn't require a

675
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Speaker 4: grand jury either, So as far as we know, there

676
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Speaker 4: is no grand jury, right, It's never been brought to

677
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Speaker 4: a grand jury. If you're asking, like, could you have

678
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Speaker 4: a situation where he presented the case so poorly that

679
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Speaker 4: he got what's none of the no true bill where

680
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Speaker 4: the grand jury refused to indict. That could happen. But

681
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Speaker 4: this is such a slim don't play. I just I mean,

682
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Speaker 4: the gun made a false statement on the form. And

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Speaker 4: I think the only thing that people are not aware of,

684
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Speaker 4: because I was sort of struck by this in the

685
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Speaker 4: last month looking closely at this, I think there's two guns.

686
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Speaker 4: I don't think it's one gun, because if you remember

687
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Speaker 4: that the form that he filled out that he lied

688
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 4: about his drug usage on that was in connection with

689
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Speaker 4: a revolver. And if you looked at the pictures that

690
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Speaker 4: the New York Post has reported of the gun that

691
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Speaker 4: he was waving around with the prosecutor with the prostitute

692
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Speaker 4: a couple of days after, he thought the revolver is

693
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Speaker 4: not a revolver. It looks like a clock. So I

694
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Speaker 4: think there's more than one gun, and know that he

695
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Speaker 4: wasn't eligible for diversion on that under the Justice Department rules.

696
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Speaker 4: So the whole thing is just a crime.

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Speaker 3: So it sounds like you think he's just gonna run

698
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Speaker 3: He's going to run the clock out on this too,

699
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Speaker 3: which would be amazing and one of the most egregious

700
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Speaker 3: and obvious miscarriages of justice that we've seen in a

701
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Speaker 3: long time. I want to ask you, because this was

702
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Speaker 3: breaking news just at the top of the hour or so,

703
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 3: just a few moments ago, the former president Donald Trump

704
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Speaker 3: is tell his legal team is telling a judge that

705
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Speaker 3: they're going to move his they want to move his

706
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Speaker 3: Georgia case to federal court, and that he will invoke

707
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Speaker 3: immunity protection for federal officials. There's some complexity here, Andy,

708
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Speaker 3: can you break down is this going to happen? Is

709
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Speaker 3: it a big deal? How do you see it playing

710
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Speaker 3: out in Georgia?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I think already buck that Mark Meadows as lawyers

712
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Speaker 4: have moved for that, and I think they have the

713
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Speaker 4: better of the argument that the case has to go

714
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Speaker 4: to federal court. The removal doctrine basically is to prevent

715
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Speaker 4: the states from interfering with the legitimate activities of federal officials.

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Speaker 4: A lot of what Meadows has been accused of indictment,

717
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Speaker 4: which is a peculiar indictment because I don't think it

718
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 4: actually charges a crime, certainly with respect to Meadows, but

719
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 4: you know, he's charged with things like arranging meetings for

720
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Speaker 4: the president, you know, getting a phone number for the president,

721
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Speaker 4: all things that would be within the ambit of the

722
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Speaker 4: chief of staff's job. So if you allowed the states

723
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Speaker 4: to use their criminal laws to prevent the federal government

724
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Speaker 4: from doing its legitimate work, then you could then the

725
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 4: states could basically cancel out the federal government. So for

726
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Speaker 4: that reason, the removal doctrine and the statute that pertains

727
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Speaker 4: to it allows a case to be moved to federal

728
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Speaker 4: court for trial. Doesn't mean that the case goes away

729
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 4: and it would still be prosecuted by the state, but

730
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Speaker 4: the form would be federal court. So I think they've

731
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Speaker 4: got a very good chance of moving this. I'd be stunned,

732
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Speaker 4: in fact, if the court's rule that it doesn't get removed,

733
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Speaker 4: and I think the whole case gets removed. I don't

734
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Speaker 4: think it's just the federal officials. I believe the whole

735
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Speaker 4: case would get removed.

736
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Speaker 3: To a federal judge.

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Speaker 4: And then what Trump is going to argue is that

738
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Speaker 4: when federal officials are carrying out their official duties, you

739
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 4: don't have to agree with them. But if they're doing

740
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Speaker 4: things which are plausibly within the ambit of their official duties,

741
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 4: they have immunity from stay prosecution. And I think it's

742
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Speaker 4: going to be a weightier argument than people think. I've said,

743
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Speaker 4: I don't think this racketeering case. When there's racketeering charge

744
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Speaker 4: that Fanny willis brought, I don't think it's actually a

745
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 4: crime because the only objective that she unifies all the

746
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Speaker 4: nineteen defendants with is that they wanted to keep Trump

747
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Speaker 4: in office, which is not a crime. You know, if

748
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Speaker 4: it were, when people like Al Gore or Stacey Abrams

749
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Speaker 4: would be in jail. Right. You can agree to a

750
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Speaker 4: legitimate objective and commit crimes in the course of trying

751
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Speaker 4: to obtain it, but you can't have a conspiracy unless

752
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Speaker 4: the people. The thing that the people agree to do

753
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 4: is a crime. And she's trying to paper that over

754
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Speaker 4: by calling it a rico. But a rico a racketeering

755
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Speaker 4: organization is something like a mafia family where everybody in

756
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Speaker 4: it wants to be a member of it and sustain

757
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Speaker 4: its existence, because that's how you obtain money, and power.

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Speaker 4: This thing was. I don't think there was an agreement

759
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Speaker 4: here at all, but to the extent that there was

760
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Speaker 4: some kind of an enterprise here, it was going to

761
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Speaker 4: end one way or the other on January twentieth of

762
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Speaker 4: twenty twenty one. Either Trump was going to be in

763
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Speaker 4: office or out of office, and that was going to

764
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Speaker 4: be the end of the so called enterprise. I did

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Speaker 4: Rico cases for a long time. I don't think that's

766
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Speaker 4: a rico.

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Speaker 2: Do you think, if you had to break this down,

768
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Speaker 2: given we've got four different major charges that are out

769
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Speaker 2: there right now, how many of them will be complete

770
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Speaker 2: by the time, in your mind, we get to the

771
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Speaker 2: actual election, presuming that we actually see him as the nominee.

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Speaker 4: Well, the most important person in that equation is always

773
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Speaker 4: the judge. Play So it seems to me that this

774
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 4: judge in Washington is adamant that she wants to get

775
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Speaker 4: to trial, and unless there's some kind of appellate intervention,

776
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Speaker 4: and it's very hard in the federal system to force

777
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Speaker 4: the trial judge to allow an appeal before the trial,

778
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Speaker 4: I think that one's got the best chance of going

779
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 4: to trial, even though it should not go to trial.

780
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Speaker 4: On March fourth. I think that's a gross violation of

781
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 4: Trump's two process rights to try to make them go

782
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Speaker 4: to be ready for that trial on March fourth, when

783
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Speaker 4: the prosecutor before bringing the charges and guided him in

784
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 4: a different jurisdiction one thousand miles away. On another case,

785
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Speaker 4: that takes a lot of time to get prepared for.

786
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Speaker 4: The other case that has a chance of going to trial,

787
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 4: I think is the classified documents case. But that is

788
00:42:54,920 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 4: complicated because of the classified information issues and it's provisions

789
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 4: in the law that allow you to appeal prior to trial.

790
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Speaker 4: My experience with that stuff is that that takes a

791
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Speaker 4: lot of time. It's those cases, even if the judge,

792
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 4: the judge's schedule lookt the trial in May, you know,

793
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 4: even if she really wants to get it to trial,

794
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 4: it may be difficult to do. But I do think

795
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 4: the Washington one is probably going to go to trial.

796
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Speaker 3: What about New York Anny, I don't.

797
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 4: Think Brad really wants to bring that case. He's signaling

798
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 4: fuck that he's content to let the Feds go first

799
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 4: and he doesn't want to interfere with them. So I

800
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,959
Speaker 4: don't know that he's going to be a factor. And

801
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 4: as the Fanny willis. You know two of these defendants

802
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 4: say they say they're going to trial with them in October.

803
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 4: I'll believe it when I see it. And if the

804
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Speaker 4: case gets removed, that could put it on a very

805
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 4: different and flow track. She's saying it will take four

806
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,280
Speaker 4: months to try. You know, it's very hard to schedule

807
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 4: a case that's going to take four months to trial,

808
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Speaker 4: especially especially you've got to get nineteen sets of defense lawyers,

809
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 4: the prosecutors, and the judge clear four months of their

810
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,479
Speaker 4: calendar to try a case. Those are very very hard

811
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Speaker 4: to get scheduled.

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Speaker 2: So if you were setting it in an over under here,

813
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Speaker 2: given that there's four different cases out there that are

814
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 2: taking place right now, how many of them do you

815
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 2: think it would be done?

816
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 3: I said one.

817
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 2: I might now be thinking one or one and a

818
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Speaker 2: half you had earlier the situation where you were talking.

819
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Speaker 2: I think people are saying, oh, they're going to get

820
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Speaker 2: four done. You're gonna think about everything there. What would

821
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 2: you say the over under is?

822
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Speaker 4: I say, because it's the first day of football season,

823
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 4: you're making me do over and under, which I appreciate.

824
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Speaker 3: Yeah, who do you have for the game coming up tonight?

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Speaker 4: My guys, aren't playing until Monday night.

826
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Speaker 2: So but I'm telling you, by the way, that you

827
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Speaker 2: need to take the situation when you look at at

828
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Speaker 2: everything going on, I said one and a half. And

829
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Speaker 2: by the way, because we're now going on all over Detroit,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go out and say I'm gonna go

831
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Speaker 2: with that side. But how would you break it one

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Speaker 2: and a.

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Speaker 3: Half under under? So you think one is going to

834
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 3: end up being the number? Yep, I've said two.

835
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Speaker 4: It could be two.

836
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I said that not going to be four.

837
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Speaker 3: But Andy, I'm sorry, we got all you go. If

838
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Speaker 3: Trump gets convicted in d C, do you think they

839
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Speaker 3: actually might try to put him in a prison cell?

840
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Speaker 4: Well, you know, if you'd ask me, like eighteen months

841
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 4: ago that I would I think they did indict him,

842
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Speaker 4: I would have said no. So at this point I'm

843
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 4: afraid to say anything is inconceivable. I think it would

844
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 4: be terrible for the country if an American president were

845
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 4: put in jail. I just think that would be awful,

846
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Speaker 4: and I hope it doesn't happen. And I think he'd

847
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 4: have a lot of appeals, so hopefully that they'd be

848
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 4: able to string that out that it would I think

849
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Speaker 4: it'd be very bad for the country. And I think

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00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 4: Democrats don't understand what fire they're playing with. I mean,

851
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 4: the they impeach him for incitement to insurrection. I wonder

852
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Speaker 4: if they realize that, you know, some of what they're

853
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Speaker 4: doing is the social unrest that's going to arise.

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Speaker 3: It's volatile. Yeah, it really is really volid. Thank you

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton chuck up a win for

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Speaker 1: Team Reality.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in I hope all of you are having

877
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 2: fantastic Thursdays where we may be across this great country.

878
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 2: You heard us going through and discussing with Andy McCarthy

879
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 2: everything surrounding the four different felonies that Trump is facing,

880
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 2: and certainly the question of how many of those charges

881
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 2: are going to actually get decided before we get to

882
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 2: the actual election in the event that Trump is the

883
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 2: nominee is one of the big questions, and it was interesting.

884
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 2: Andy has a lot of opinions Buck, but he was

885
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 2: really kind of tiptoeing around whether he wanted that number

886
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 2: to be one, one and a half or two, and

887
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 2: that means a lot.

888
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 3: By the way. I'm on the Lions going against the Chiefs.

889
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 2: For those of you out there, that's a big game

890
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 2: with the NFL starting backup, and I know Andy and

891
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 2: many of you out there are fans, so I'm gonna

892
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 2: take the Lions as the underdog.

893
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 3: But so you were vociferous, let me see here that

894
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 3: there will be on August sixteenth, you said a zero

895
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 3: percent chance that any of the trials will happen.

896
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 2: I think I said, if we'll go look at the

897
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 2: I think I said, there was not keeping the board now, buddy,

898
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 2: we're keeping the check. Go check the go check the audio.

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00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 2: I think I said because that was when all of

900
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 2: the story was, oh, they're going to have four. I

901
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 2: think I said there's a zero percent chance that all

902
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 2: four would happen.

903
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 3: And I think I said I would go one.

904
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 2: If I were looking at it right now, I might

905
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 2: go one and a half, or I would stick at one.

906
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 2: I still feel pretty good about the majority, but we

907
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 2: need to go check the go check the audio. I

908
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 2: was in Tampa, but I think I said zero percent

909
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 2: all four would happen, because that.

910
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 3: Was when we were Dewitz was saying, and changed his

911
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 3: mind in twenty four hours. I still think it's I

912
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 3: think it's gonna be too. Although it's interesting, Andy, I

913
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 3: hadn't even really, I hadn't considered this, to be honest

914
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 3: with everybody, that Bragg might just say, yeah, actually, you know,

915
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 3: I got the headlines. I don't really need to bring

916
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 3: this case. It's ridiculous that the Feds will finish the

917
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 3: job essentially. I mean, I hadn't really considered that. But

918
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 3: the DC case is happening, my friends, The DC case

919
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 3: is happening. That's the one that I thought all along.

920
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 3: To the judge Chuckkin, she's she's gonna make this thing

921
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 3: go down. It's gonna happen unless unless, he says, an

922
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 3: appeals court steps in advance of trial. But I mean,

923
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 3: that's a really tough burden that you're going to meet

924
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 3: there saying that the can trial.

925
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Speaker 2: If Joe Biden actually wanted to be what he claimed

926
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Speaker 2: he was going to be in twenty twenty four.

927
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 3: And look, you just heard the discussion.

928
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 2: It sounds like any McCarthy doesn't believe that any real

929
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 2: charges are still going to be brought against Hunter. But

930
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 2: this is where if Joe Biden said, I'm going to

931
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Speaker 2: go ahead and I'm going to give a pass to

932
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 2: Trump and simultaneously, I'm going to give that same pass

933
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Speaker 2: to my son.

934
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Speaker 3: That would be a way for Biden.

935
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Speaker 2: To ride off into the sunset and argue that he

936
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Speaker 2: actually was doing the best thing for the country in

937
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Speaker 2: the same way that you would have seen happen back

938
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Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy six with Gerald Ford as it pertained,

939
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Speaker 2: sorry before the seventy sixth election, but having to do

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Speaker 2: with everything associated with Nixon.

941
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Speaker 3: Do you think by the end of this month, we'll

942
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 3: either find out that the gun charge has been has

943
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,760
Speaker 3: effectively lapsed because of the statute against Hunter, or they'll

944
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Speaker 3: just reinstate a diversion program and effectively give him what

945
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Speaker 3: Judge nor Aika prevented the first time around, they just

946
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Speaker 3: do it a second time. Or do you think they're

947
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Speaker 3: actually going to bring an indictment against the president's son

948
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Speaker 3: that could send him to prison in an election year?

949
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Speaker 2: Well, so this is what I think is weird. I

950
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 2: don't remember it being public in this way. It feels

951
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 2: to me like a threat. It feels to me like

952
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Speaker 2: you are attempting, meaning the government and everything surrounding these ideas.

953
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Speaker 3: I just don't hear very many.

954
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Speaker 2: People say, oh, we're going to charge you before.

955
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Speaker 3: September twenty ninth.

956
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Speaker 2: It feels like a argument you would make in an

957
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 2: effort to try to win some sort of agreement where

958
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 2: they're giving up something right, like you're threatening, but there's

959
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 2: actually not the real threat to follow through. That's my concern.

960
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 2: There should be charges. This is not complicated to his point.

961
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 2: This is as simple of a case as you can

962
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 2: possibly imagine. He definitely lied on those forms, and as

963
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 2: Andy pointed out, he may well have lied on multiple

964
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 2: different guns, not just one, which is as easy of

965
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 2: a case as could possibly exist out there. Now they

966
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 2: have to figure out where it is. Is this gonna

967
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 2: be DC, Is this gonna be California? There has to

968
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 2: be charges brought in the case. But that to me

969
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 2: is the is the big challenge kind of going forward.

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you that if we're going on now two

971
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 3: years of this, Hunter's not seeing the inside of a

972
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 3: prison cell, Hunter's gonna escape, telling you he's gonna kape well.

973
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 2: My concern, My concern is they could almost rig the

974
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 2: system and not get a charge. It's usually if you

975
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 2: try to bring a grand jury charges. The grand jury,

976
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 2: the phrase is what they've always indict a ham sandwich

977
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,720
Speaker 2: that's always what said. My concern is they could almost

978
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 2: tank that in intentionally and avoid having to bring anything

979
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 2: against Hunter. In other words, do such a bad job

980
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,240
Speaker 2: that they may not even be able to get charges brought.

981
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 3: But why just I mean, to the point that we're

982
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 3: talking about any about nothing happens if they just don't

983
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 3: bring the charge, They're just not gonna bring the chargemen.

984
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 3: That's what I think. I'm with Andy on this one.

985
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 3: I think this is just going to turn into yeah,

986
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 3: you know, complexity, YadA YadA, what are you gonna do it?

987
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 2: Well, I think it gets hard if they're gonna say

988
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 2: we're going to bring charges by December, by September twenty ninth,

989
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 2: and that's not what is that twenty days from now? Basically,

990
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,240
Speaker 2: you maybe maybe they forced them into a diversion program,

991
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 2: but but that's just a redo.

992
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 3: All that is is a redo of the unbelievable sweetheart

993
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 3: deal they tried to get through with Norton. I mean,

994
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 3: Clay the reason the Nord that Judge nor Aica deal

995
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 3: fell apart, and she's the one who made it fall apart.

996
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,280
Speaker 3: And Clay's been giving her high fives about that ever since.

997
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 3: Rightly so. The reason it fell apart was that the

998
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:38,280
Speaker 3: deal was so grotesquely favorable that they tried to hide

999
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 3: how favorable the deal was. So now they're just gonna

1000
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 3: do another version of that deal on similar terms and

1001
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 3: say that, oh, yeah, we revisited it or whatever, you know,

1002
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 3: and eventually it's what are you gonna do about it?

1003
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 3: Trump's been indicted four times, Hunter hasn't been indicted, you know,

1004
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:53,760
Speaker 3: deal with it. That's gonna be their rattitude.

1005
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh, We're gonna have to see what happens,

1006
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 2: because I keep hoping that the pressure has become so

1007
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 2: significant thanks to the Republicans taking control of the House,

1008
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 2: that there is going to be some sort of con

1009
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 2: consequential outcome here.

1010
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 3: But you have no faith, Yeah, well, I mean no faith.

1011
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,839
Speaker 2: The fact that we have even gotten here I take

1012
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 2: as a very good sign because but for this judge

1013
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 2: actually pointing out what an incredible rig job this case was,

1014
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 2: and the IRS employees coming forward and testifying under oath

1015
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 2: and saying that the fix was in.

1016
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 3: But for that occurring, this.

1017
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 2: Story would already be over, and anybody who tried to

1018
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 2: bring it up, they would say, oh, there's nothing there.

1019
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 2: This has already been resolved, Let's move on. It's not

1020
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 2: a serious issue. At least, it's still lingering. Even if

1021
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:52,399
Speaker 2: there is significant concern I think legitimate. I think that's

1022
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 2: fair to question whether any true justice.

1023
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 3: Is going to be applied. Yeah, if they were to

1024
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 3: try to, if I was Hunter's legal team, I would say,

1025
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 3: we either get a diversion where you get no prison time.

1026
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 3: I wonder if he would take a felony plea, given

1027
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 3: that that felony plea would last on his record for

1028
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 3: a grand total of one year, and then his dad

1029
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 3: would pardon him obviously, So that's one way that So,

1030
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 3: you know, as long as he's not going to prison,

1031
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 3: I think he doesn't really care, and he you know,

1032
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 3: for this usually there's a lot of things that should

1033
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 3: have sent him to prison, but he's not going to

1034
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 3: go to prison. And that's always been the contention here

1035
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,879
Speaker 3: because short of that, I think people will say it's

1036
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 3: not that big a deal, they'll forget about it. But

1037
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 3: if I'm Hunter, I would just say bring it. You

1038
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 3: want to take this to trial, I'll delay. I'll say

1039
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 3: tell the judge that I want more time. They took

1040
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 3: five years to investigate this. I need some time with

1041
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 3: my team to prepare our defense, blah blah. You know,

1042
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 3: delay it as much. If you can delay it until

1043
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 3: next summer, then you could delay sentencing until after. The

1044
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 3: whole point is his dad's gonna bail him out eventually,

1045
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 3: one way or the other, because his dad will be

1046
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 3: president in November. Even if he loses the election, and

1047
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 3: he's gonna he's gonna make the whole thing.

1048
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 2: They bring charges at the end of September, it's very

1049
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 2: likely that he will be able to withstand that case

1050
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 2: until the election already happens. There won't be a full conclusion.

1051
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 3: Now. Then the challenge becomes, though, Buck, And you're right.

1052
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 2: I think if Biden were to lose, he would go

1053
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 2: ahead and give give the the ability for his son

1054
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 2: to walk free and.

1055
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 3: Clear win or win.

1056
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 2: He right, Yeah, But basically you're talking about both sides

1057
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 2: trying to avoid going to prison, right, I mean, that's

1058
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 2: the reality that we would find ourselves in.

1059
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 3: Now, what a ridiculous situation. This is so crazy. I

1060
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 3: can't even if you had like been, you know, dropped

1061
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 3: from the sky into the politics of today and you're

1062
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 3: listening to a radio show that's focused primarily on American

1063
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 3: politics and we're talking about who from the you know,

1064
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 3: leading basically, who from the two most powerful political families

1065
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 3: might be going to prison in an election. It would

1066
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 3: all sound completely insane. Yeah, and this is where we are.

1067
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 3: It does take them getting used to yes.

1068
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 2: And by the way, if he were actually trying to

1069
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 2: unite Americans, I think we've talked about this on the show,

1070
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 2: and I think it's right he would decide, Hey, I'm

1071
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 2: gonna pardon Trump and I'm gonna pardon my son. And

1072
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 2: I'm talking, by the way, about Joe Biden, clearly, and

1073
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 2: if he did that, I think it's the only way

1074
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 2: that he could get past the idea of pardoning his son. Now,

1075
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 2: I may say he doesn't care if he wins election.

1076
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 2: He's eighty two years old and he's probably not going

1077
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 2: to fulfill the term anyway. He's gonna protect his son.

1078
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 2: But what a crazy place we're in that we could

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