Speaker 1: I am all in again.
Speaker 2: Oh, let's just you.
Speaker 3: Gilmore Girls Gazette with Amy Sugarman and Danielle Romo, an
Speaker 3: iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 2: Hi everyone.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, it's not good to start with.
Speaker 2: I had to start because Daniel's doing some sort of
Speaker 2: a thing.
Speaker 4: I'm doing so triple duty today. We're co hosting, we're
Speaker 4: being producers of ourselves, and we're being editors, you know what.
Speaker 1: We're just doing it all.
Speaker 2: We're doing it all. I'm not good at like opening
Speaker 2: it Hello, like good evening, Hello morning, good day, sir.
Speaker 2: Like I don't have to do that. Also, I accidentally
Speaker 2: watched two episodes of butt Heads, and so I have
Speaker 2: to get my brain to think about the one before
Speaker 2: the one I just watched.
Speaker 1: Well, guess what, it's fresh in my noggin.
Speaker 2: So I'm so glad. It's season one, episode nine. Season one,
Speaker 2: episode nine, No. One takes Kalisi's Dragons, and it aired
Speaker 2: August thirteenth. Now do you say twenty twelve or do
Speaker 2: you say twenty twelve?
Speaker 1: Twenty twelve?
Speaker 2: I honestly think I might say two thousand and twelve?
Speaker 2: Is that not copper? Interestingly, this episode was directed by
Speaker 2: David Paymer. He's like famous. Yeah, you might not know him,
Speaker 2: but I do.
Speaker 4: And for the synopsis of this episode, Michelle clashes with
Speaker 4: an awed winning.
Speaker 1: Barista aka Kirk.
Speaker 4: Melanie tries to learn the cause of jenny strange behavior,
Speaker 4: and the ballet class suffers as Fanny and Sasha's standoff continues.
Speaker 2: You like Kirk.
Speaker 4: Yeah, here's the issue that I have with this episode.
Speaker 4: It's not necessarily an issue, but it just it opened
Speaker 4: with a Gilmore Girls song, like it felt.
Speaker 1: With Gilmore Girls. It opened with Kirk.
Speaker 4: It opened with you know, like well, not that Suton
Speaker 4: was in golm Girls, but like it opened with Gilmore
Speaker 4: Girls the shop. That's one thing that it like kind
Speaker 4: of It opened with Gilmore Girls without Gilmore Girls, and
Speaker 4: that bothered me.
Speaker 1: It should have been Luke at the coffee shop. It
Speaker 1: should have been Laura Li not Born Graham.
Speaker 2: Here's here's the thing. I have been thinking about this endlessly, right, endlessly.
Speaker 2: Why is this show good but not great.
Speaker 4: Because it's trying to be Gilmore Girls and it's not.
Speaker 4: Sorry I'm being answer, that's not my answer. What's your answer?
Speaker 4: You guys get a little lot of for the people
Speaker 4: in the.
Speaker 2: Backs and it's nice. I don't like to not be nice,
Speaker 2: but I think that I keep wanting it to be
Speaker 2: Lauren Graham and it's not, and I think, bless her,
Speaker 2: bless her right. Sutton Foster is so talented, she's a singer, dancer,
Speaker 2: she can act all the things. But she is over
Speaker 2: the top, and so for me, the line chatting in
Speaker 2: the coffee shop, Okay, here's what it is. Here's what
Speaker 2: just came to me. With Gilmore girls, the town and
Speaker 2: the townspeople are so quirky and kind of goofy, but
Speaker 2: Luke Rory and Laura Lei are actually not. They're like
Speaker 2: underacting or whatever the word would be, or understated, which
Speaker 2: makes the goofiness of Kirk totally palatable, whereas in this
Speaker 2: Kirk is being Kirk even though his name's not Kirk.
Speaker 2: He's still very kirky. But she's so awkward and like
Speaker 2: and she can't do the prat folly stuff like Lauren can.
Speaker 2: Like even when that thing I know it's later knocks
Speaker 2: off the I don't remember if it's in this scene
Speaker 2: or later where something knocks off the shelf and it's
Speaker 2: like his heirloom from his trip or whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, No, there's a lot of girl and you're
Speaker 4: fixated on Lauren Graham. I'm fixated on Gilmar Girls as
Speaker 4: a series because also in this episode we get a
Speaker 4: town meeting and like, that's Gilmer Girls.
Speaker 1: Why are we doing that? In fun Heads. It's a
Speaker 1: lot of the same same without it being the same same.
Speaker 1: That's the problem. It's not, it's not.
Speaker 4: It's not Gilmar Girls. And if you're going to take
Speaker 4: a nod to Gilmore Girls, you have to execute it correctly.
Speaker 2: And you know what else? I hate it in this Oh,
Speaker 2: it just came back to me what constantly only calling
Speaker 2: Richard the choreographer guy that she wants to audition for
Speaker 2: and being such a freak about it. Yeah, and she's
Speaker 2: get it. She's just being so freaky to the assistant.
Speaker 2: And it's like there's something about the way the character is.
Speaker 2: And look, it's not in every episode, because there are
Speaker 2: other times when she does it perfectly, but there are
Speaker 2: times when I'm like, cringe dot com, this is so cringey.
Speaker 1: Did you get the cringe?
Speaker 4: Did you get the cringe dot com when you saw
Speaker 4: it in real time back in the day? Was it
Speaker 4: cringey back then?
Speaker 2: I think so? And do you want to know something
Speaker 2: super weird? Yes, this is super weird or mean, but
Speaker 2: that's okay. We're not being mean, but we can't tell
Speaker 2: the truth if we don't tell the truth, say the truth.
Speaker 2: I was talking to a friend about younger, okay, and
Speaker 2: my friend loves younger and I also love younger. I
Speaker 2: was saying to the friend, you know, I think Sutton
Speaker 2: Foster is a lot better and younger than she is.
Speaker 1: In this right Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the friend even said that Sutton Foster slips into
Speaker 2: sort of a cringey performance at times. And I'm not
Speaker 2: being mean to Sutton Foster. It's not that, it's that
Speaker 2: she's a Broadway actor. And I'm convinced of it, because
Speaker 2: like Broadway acting is not the same, right, Like, I mean,
Speaker 2: what do I know, But like when you're on stage,
Speaker 2: I feel like you have to project and you have
Speaker 2: to be a little bit more anni use your body
Speaker 2: and like to the people in the back row, and
Speaker 2: so sometimes I think that's what happens. I'm like, oh, oh,
Speaker 2: that's a.
Speaker 1: Fair that's a fair assessment.
Speaker 2: Kelly Bishop never overacts.
Speaker 1: Kelly Bishop is a queen, that's why.
Speaker 2: And the girls don't overact like I'm sorry to say
Speaker 2: you think Boo.
Speaker 4: Boo over acts for me, Like in the corner of
Speaker 4: this I like Boo and I like, you know, so yeah,
Speaker 4: but I do love her. I do love her, though
Speaker 4: you see there's a difference. I do love her. But
Speaker 4: all right, I mean, okay, So we started at the
Speaker 4: coffee shop.
Speaker 2: A little funny actually, when the girls were hiding in
Speaker 2: the bushes from Fanny and like, you know, we're still
Speaker 2: dealing with Charlie the brother, like it's.
Speaker 1: All yeah, yeah, so I mean you kind of started it.
Speaker 4: So a big point of this is this episode is
Speaker 4: trying to figure out who's going to be Clara and
Speaker 4: the Nutcracker right because they haven't is no longer.
Speaker 1: And she's cheerleading, which.
Speaker 4: We'll talk about because at the end of this episode,
Speaker 4: I gotta I gotta give a little golf collap to
Speaker 4: Sasha at the end of this episode.
Speaker 2: So I also love the cheerleading. It's so funny. The
Speaker 2: best part of this entire episode is when which girl
Speaker 2: is it? Who who likes the brother? Is it Melanie
Speaker 2: or Ginny? I get them blurred the name.
Speaker 4: Oh Jinny, Well, she doesn't really like the so Melanie
Speaker 4: is the sister.
Speaker 2: To the brother. Okay, no, it's Ginny. She does like
Speaker 2: the brother. Yeah, how about when she freaking fell in
Speaker 2: the bleachers of the basketball game. I had to watch
Speaker 2: that three times. I was like, first of all, it's
Speaker 2: not a stand in or stunt double. It's so funny.
Speaker 2: I was like, that is actually genius, Like it was
Speaker 2: so good. And the guy she falls on, I mean that.
Speaker 1: I like those girls. The four girls are awesome.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about Let's talk about Jenny's storyline for a
Speaker 4: little bit, because I did. I had again golf claps
Speaker 4: for Sasha, which we'll talk about later, but also golf
Speaker 4: claps for Melanie because she just told she told Ginny
Speaker 4: like it like it was. She was like, you are
Speaker 4: breaking girl code for liking my brother.
Speaker 1: Boo likes my brother.
Speaker 4: Nah, you are not allowed to touch that Boo does like.
Speaker 2: The other boy. I know.
Speaker 4: But as we can tell, she finally gets a smooch
Speaker 4: rooney from the guy, but then she ruins it.
Speaker 2: Was it so hard, that was harsh.
Speaker 3: And cringe like she finally can be agadging being upset
Speaker 3: about someone's dumb brother who doesn't even like you in
Speaker 3: front of the guy you do like yeah.
Speaker 4: And also it's like this guy is a loser, like
Speaker 4: he literally was. Yeah yeah, the one that the brother
Speaker 4: like he's a loser. He you know, is the bad
Speaker 4: boy at school, you know, like it's just, ugh, don't
Speaker 4: waste your time.
Speaker 2: Kind of realistic. I've seen that, like, yeah, we all
Speaker 2: have a boy. So that's the thing I like about
Speaker 2: this is sometimes when the storylines are kind of real.
Speaker 2: Is this the episode where Sutton starts kind of flirting
Speaker 2: with the cute guy at the Oyster Bar? Is it
Speaker 2: called the Oyster Bar?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Oysterbar.
Speaker 4: And I wouldn't even say she flirting with him. I
Speaker 4: think he started flirting with her.
Speaker 1: She was just being herself and then he digging that too.
Speaker 2: I am too, And I remember digging it when I
Speaker 2: watched this the first time. I remember being like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm into that, and I like the way they banter.
Speaker 2: He's super cool and she's less weirdo.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I like him a lot, and I like
Speaker 4: that he is going for it, but very subtly he's like,
Speaker 4: you know what, I'm cute.
Speaker 1: He knows he's cute.
Speaker 2: Totally, and he knows he's nice. But then when we
Speaker 2: go back to the coffee shop each time, I'm again,
Speaker 2: oue crunch. I can't with her performance in the coffee
Speaker 2: shop just makes me so.
Speaker 1: Like about how long she's waiting for coffee?
Speaker 2: And now are you finding you have a hard time
Speaker 2: that thinking of do you think of Hugh Jackman every time?
Speaker 2: And is this the episode where there's like a huge
Speaker 2: Jackman mentioned? Oh, I would have to reward I did
Speaker 2: not the one before. I can't remember, sorry, but every
Speaker 2: time now I'm like Hugh Jackman like, it's just like
Speaker 2: I can't separate it. No, it's not, it's not it's not.
Speaker 2: It's not good back. I think that might have been
Speaker 2: the one before, because maybe we talked about it. But
Speaker 2: there is an episode where there's a Hugh Jackman mentioned. Wait, no,
Speaker 2: it is this one. I'm sorry. It's how they got
Speaker 2: Gypsy to the town meeting. Somebody went to the town meeting.
Speaker 2: Or maybe it was one of the girls. Somebody went.
Speaker 2: It's somebody went to the town meeting because they were
Speaker 2: told something about Hugh Jackman. Anyway, Okay, let's let's keep going,
Speaker 2: all right, So where are we back at the coffee shop?
Speaker 2: So annoying, she's still calling Richard. It's like why does
Speaker 2: she have to call him every time she's at the
Speaker 2: coffee shop too?
Speaker 4: Like, oh, let me go in the studio and Michelle's
Speaker 4: taking tap class.
Speaker 1: This is all kind of snoozy for me.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to where we find out that the
Speaker 2: gro is this where we find out that the grocery
Speaker 2: store is not going to happen. She's all excited for
Speaker 2: the grocery store. Yeah, the grocery store is not going
Speaker 2: to happen.
Speaker 1: And here's what leads to the town meeting.
Speaker 2: Here's my other problem with Butnheads versus Gilmore Girls. Gilmore
Speaker 2: Girls really created the town for me, like we saw it,
Speaker 2: it existed. This speaks of a town that's supposed to
Speaker 2: be like stars Hollow, but yet every town scene is
Speaker 2: in her Mosa Beach and it really throws me off.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, of course there's a grocery store. There's
Speaker 2: probably a Whole Foods and a Ralph like soon there'll
Speaker 2: be an airwan, like come on. So that's what bugs me.
Speaker 2: It's like, make a town, Yeah, make a town if
Speaker 2: this is such a small town, and then oh yes,
Speaker 2: won't get to do the opening dance with Carl because
Speaker 2: there's no opening because of the there's no grocery store yep.
Speaker 2: Then we had the basketball game, which was hilarious.
Speaker 4: The basketball game was the best part everything of the
Speaker 4: every part of the basketball game. So from from Genny
Speaker 4: falling down the bleacherts hilarious to Boo being you know,
Speaker 4: noticing that the two boys she likes were talking to
Speaker 4: other girls.
Speaker 1: You know that was kind of like oh to.
Speaker 4: Literally yeah, and Sasha just literally hating line.
Speaker 2: That the team sucks, so that.
Speaker 4: The team sucks, but she was just like, what do
Speaker 4: you mean, like because the whole thing higher than everybody.
Speaker 2: Kicks are too high. This is a decent episode.
Speaker 4: The cheerleaders were good too, like that head cheerleader that
Speaker 4: was you know, interacting with Sasha a lot. I enjoyed
Speaker 4: her character. No, you need to kick like this, you know,
Speaker 4: we all need to be uniform.
Speaker 2: It was cute. I liked the whole The whole thing
Speaker 2: was funny and it wasn't super over the top and awkward.
Speaker 2: And Michelle wasn't in the scene like this show works.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I like her and it's not. I don't
Speaker 2: don't make this about like me and Sutter Fostar because
Speaker 2: I don't know her and I'm fine with her and
Speaker 2: she can date you Jackman, and it's all good, and
Speaker 2: I like Younger. I just don't think she's at the
Speaker 2: top of her game in this Funhead series, or Lauren
Speaker 2: Graham is too amazing and that is also the problem.
Speaker 2: So I don't know which it is. I don't know
Speaker 2: if Setton Foster is not the top of her TV
Speaker 2: game or if it's just that Lauren Graham is so
Speaker 2: good that it that she just can't live up, cannot
Speaker 2: live up.
Speaker 4: We had seven seasons of an amazing TV series of
Speaker 4: which everyone wanted more of.
Speaker 1: Undoubtedly, I'm gonna go on a limb.
Speaker 2: Sasha is as good as alexis bladell Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: say it. I'm gonna say it out out. It's not
Speaker 2: the other characters. It's that score Sutt and Foster cannot
Speaker 2: live up to what Lauren Graham did and Gilmore girls,
Speaker 2: I'm convinced. And she also can't live up to what
Speaker 2: Rachel Brosenhan did in Missus Masel.
Speaker 4: So when we can go out on a limb here,
Speaker 4: we can go out on a limb here and say
Speaker 4: if Lauren Graham.
Speaker 1: Was set and Foster, I still would have an issue with.
Speaker 4: It because I just disagree so because it is trying
Speaker 4: to be Gilmore Girls without it being Gilmore Girls, and
Speaker 4: that bothers me.
Speaker 1: If we're gony to do Gilmore.
Speaker 4: Girls, I think of the coffee shop, if we're another
Speaker 4: town meeting. If we're gonna have the music be Gilmore Girls,
Speaker 4: give me More Girls.
Speaker 2: That's fair. But I think if Lauren Graham was playing Michelle,
Speaker 2: we wouldn't have any of these problems because it wouldn't
Speaker 2: be cringy, it wouldn't be over the top, and you
Speaker 2: would be like, I love the town meeting, I love
Speaker 2: the grocery store or the coffee shop. You would be like,
Speaker 2: I love the music. You'd be like, I'm good. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know. Other people need to tell
Speaker 2: us because is it just me or is that the
Speaker 2: cringe tastic part of this fun heads that makes it
Speaker 2: go m it's good.
Speaker 4: But if you're gonna give me half a Gilmore Girls,
Speaker 4: don't give me half, give me all or none, like
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Like all take all, take some crumbs of Gilmore I
Speaker 2: think that's the difference. I'm good with this because it's
Speaker 2: very Gilmore Girls. Ye like it really is a problem.
Speaker 1: That's my problem.
Speaker 2: I feel like by the time she got to Missus Masel,
Speaker 2: she had separated herself enough from Gilmore Girls that she
Speaker 2: was able to do something that you know, has the
Speaker 2: things of Gilmore Girls that we love, but was different enough.
Speaker 2: This really is a bit of an imitation.
Speaker 1: M mm hmm. And I guess what. It's not hitting
Speaker 1: the mark, that's the bottom line.
Speaker 2: And my feeling is it's not hitting the mark because
Speaker 2: of Michelle.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, well agree to disagree there, but I
Speaker 4: tell those people, like everyone listening, why did they.
Speaker 2: Mess up with bad passion?
Speaker 1: So bad?
Speaker 2: Anyway, So we go to the we have the scene
Speaker 2: at Melanie's and we do address like girl code yeah,
Speaker 2: which I'm like torn but okay. Then we get the
Speaker 2: town meeting, which is like a council meeting or whatever.
Speaker 2: So it wasn't quite a town meeting, but it.
Speaker 1: Was so annoying.
Speaker 2: And I'm certain this is where they say Hugh Jackman
Speaker 2: fair one of the girls was convinced to come because
Speaker 2: she was going to get to FaceTime with Hugh Jackman
Speaker 2: and the other girls like you actually thought you're going
Speaker 2: to get to FaceTime with Hugh Jackman.
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, now now it's coming back to me. I
Speaker 4: do I do remember the exact I just I don't
Speaker 4: know why I do.
Speaker 1: Weird is that?
Speaker 2: I mean, like, honestly, how weird is that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So like everyone being like, you know, questioninghether or not
Speaker 2: we should be reporting on it, of course we should, guys.
Speaker 1: And then you know, after that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we got the chatty chat with Godet.
Speaker 1: You're just totally missing the taboo, and Carl just macin.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sorry, you're right. And then and then we
Speaker 2: had the like uncomfortable incident, right yep.
Speaker 1: And then they just made out.
Speaker 4: Melanie and Jenny walk in on them making out, and
Speaker 4: then something with the brother and yeah, somehow the brother
Speaker 4: gets brought up, and then Boo just goes on a
Speaker 4: tangent about how how can you like the brother? I
Speaker 4: like the brother I called him first, while the guy
Speaker 4: that she likes and is currently making out with standing
Speaker 4: right behind her.
Speaker 1: Awkward. I'm still going to say a good scene, good scene,
Speaker 1: I'll give it.
Speaker 2: I like the Bertie blurty banter between Goodou and Michelle,
Speaker 2: So that was a good scene.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm excited for the two of them.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it too. Also, Rip Hubble just never
Speaker 1: to be mentioned.
Speaker 2: I know he gets he does show up again. But
Speaker 2: then this scene I actually felt was very well acted
Speaker 2: by Sutton Foster when she goes to see Sasha at cheerleading.
Speaker 2: That I was like, you know what, nailed it, girl.
Speaker 2: So it's like, maybe it's I can't blame it on
Speaker 2: the director because there's a different director every time, but
Speaker 2: there are times when Sutton Foster nails it and then
Speaker 2: there are times when she doesn't. I'm gonna leave it
Speaker 2: at that.
Speaker 1: I'll leave it at that, I agree, But.
Speaker 2: We don't rate these. I can't remember one.
Speaker 4: But the one thing that's really important is at the
Speaker 4: very end, Sasha just like has enough with the cheerleading
Speaker 4: squad and just says, we are not.
Speaker 1: Going to do a victory dance. We are far from victory.
Speaker 1: We're gonna win this, Gabe.
Speaker 4: And then everyone else on the cheerleading squad is just
Speaker 4: depressed just so like in the dumps, and Sasha is
Speaker 4: relishing in the moment, and I loved that final scene
Speaker 4: where she's like all happy and like the rest of
Speaker 4: this squad is good.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, Sasha, I can't think of her name
Speaker 2: right now, but the actress has gone on to do
Speaker 2: other things, and she is.
Speaker 1: Good, she's great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and her name is oh yeah, Julia Goldani.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So next week is the Nutcracker episode. Yep, here's what
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you, Daniel. It's, in my humble opinion,
Speaker 2: as good as the first two episodes that I really liked.
Speaker 2: It's okay, really really good. All right.
Speaker 1: Look, if I.
Speaker 2: Was a.
Speaker 4: Normal human being watching this series on TV, you would
Speaker 4: not get me on episode ten.
Speaker 1: I would have.
Speaker 2: You'd be gone.
Speaker 1: I would be gone, like I'm out.
Speaker 4: But you know what, I'm here to report for our listeners,
Speaker 4: and I'm stick with it. I'm I'm gonna stick with it.
Speaker 2: I am not the same as you because I watched
Speaker 2: it every week, and when it got canceled, I was
Speaker 2: genuinely disappointed. Like I remember being like, I'm actually super bummed,
Speaker 2: and sometimes I don't even care when a show gets canceled,
Speaker 2: and this one I was like, oh that hurt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm excited for next week.
Speaker 4: Eighteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's eighteen episodes.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 2: Maybe the next eight You're gonna really change your mind.
Speaker 5: You must soon find out I don't remember how we
Speaker 5: end this. Bun Heads out, oh, bun heads out.
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