WEBVTT - Do You Really Want to Talk About This? 0:00:04.720 --> 0:00:07.880 What's up. It's episode seventeen. Haha, I'm still say the 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:10.799 number is Andrew Cool. I know you hate it. Diamond 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:12.800 told me to stop doing it too, but I continue. 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:15.040 Episode seventeen saw us on the side. What's up. I'm 0:00:15.040 --> 0:00:18.360 Gandhi and I'm here with my two favorite people, Diamond 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:19.040 and Andrew. 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:19.520 Hi. Y'all. 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:21.760 Hi, I'm so happy that she said my name first. 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:22.680 Hi. 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:23.320 I'm here too. 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:27.000 You know a lot of people said that their favorite 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:28.960 episode of the show was when it was just three 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:29.520 of us talking. 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:31.160 Yes, I'm saucy episode. 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:34.960 Okay, can you not do that in my own microphone? 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:38.080 You don't on purpose. We'll get to a microphone soon, buddy, 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:39.080 don't worry. 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:41.480 Wow, I'm just your jester in this show. 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:43.600 You're not funny. Jesters are funny. I just try to 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:49.239 try again. Good Anyway, we're all laughing and having a 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:51.800 good time. But I am kind of excited about this 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:55.680 interview today because it's Drake Bell, who we know from 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:58.600 Drake and Josh but has recently made headlines with all 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:01.760 kinds of other stuff. If you didn't see the documentary 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:05.000 of Quiet on Set, he was definitely featured prominently in 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:07.440 that He's got some new music on the way. I 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:08.959 have a ton of things to talk to him about. 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:14.400 I say, we just get right to it. I'm here 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:17.920 with Drake Bell and so much to talk about. Where 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:19.640 do we even begin? Would you like to start with 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:21.200 new music, new ventures? 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:25.360 Yeah? Sure. I just released a new single called I 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:26.120 kind of Relate. 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:28.520 I listened to it. I like it, but I really 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:28.760 like it. 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:32.119 Yeah, yeah, yeah, the music video. We just hit three 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:34.880 million on the music video. It's doing really well, I guess, 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:39.120 one of the most introspective, kind of autobiographical tunes that 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:41.399 ever in a long time. And then I just released 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:46.880 a new song on the tenth called Hollywoodn't and we're 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:48.480 having fun with that one. It's doing pretty good. 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:50.400 So these songs are very different because I'd listened to 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:53.160 both of them. Yes, So with I kind of Relate, 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:55.720 it's almost whimsical. The sound of it is whimsical, and 0:01:55.760 --> 0:01:58.800 then you listen to the words and it's so heavy. Yeah, 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:01.680 and then Hollywoodn't well heavy as well. Obviously you're drawing 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:03.520 from things going on in your own life at the 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:04.639 moment or in the past. 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:08.840 Yeah, these these two songs, there's been a lot that 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:11.720 has come out recently about my history and my past 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:14.880 and what I've been through in life, and these songs 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:19.880 definitely relate to those those events. It's cool that you 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:25.200 mentioned that, because I love writing songs that sound, you know, happy, 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:29.079 but then the lyrical content takes you somewhere else, into 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:32.720 a dark place, fun juxtaposition. It kind of is a 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:36.000 throwback to the days that I was going through. What 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:37.919 I was going through at this time working on Drake 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:41.160 and Josh, and that era of music was sort of 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:44.360 what was happening at the time, and a lot of 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:46.880 different styles and sounds and I kind of took all 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:49.600 of them and threw them all into the pot, and 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:52.600 then the whole album takes you through this this sort 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:57.320 of narrative journey. I kind of compared to it. It's 0:02:57.360 --> 0:03:00.560 like my wide album because there's so many, so many songs, 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:02.880 and I mean, I guess if it was, you know, 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:05.560 if this was the seventies, would be a double album. 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:07.960 How do you feel listening back to it from where 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:09.880 you drew because I'm sure that there are some people 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:12.120 listening who don't know specifically what you're talking about. There 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:14.160 was a documentary that came out. It talked about some 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:15.680 things that you've been through in your past, which were 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:18.320 dark and very upsetting, I'm sure for you to relive. 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:20.600 And now you have this album where you're pulling from 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:23.200 those things and you're performing and you're listening to it 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:24.840 all the time. What is that like? 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:28.840 It's it's interesting, you know. I often say I was 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:30.800 thinking about this the other day. You know, a lot 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:34.440 of people journal and get their thoughts out through journaling 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:40.480 or writing in a diary, and for me, that's songwriting. 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:42.480 I get it through my songs, and that's how I 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:44.920 get you know, if I'm feeling upset, or I'm feeling 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:48.240 happy about something, or there's something that's I've been dealing 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:51.360 with emotionally, I get it out through song. But then 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:55.040 I was sinking the other day how many people write 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:58.160 in their journal and then go and perform it every night? 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:01.320 Yes, Like I couldn't rut. I don't understand how people 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:01.800 like that. 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:05.040 Oh, I'm using this as like it's like a cathartic 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:10.880 therapeutic avenue to get all of this this junk out 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:13.240 that's inside of me. And okay, cool, it's out. It's out. 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:15.280 It's I don't have to sit there and you know, 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:18.800 work through the turmoil in my mind. And then I'm 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:20.480 like on my way on to stage and I'm like, 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:23.440 I'm about to co read my diary for like fifty 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:27.160 thousand people, and it's some concert I'm playing. I'm like what, 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:29.159 And you like, really that smart? 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:31.040 It is? Well, I'm sure that it's got to be 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:33.360 a little bit therapeutic to you, but it's also got 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:35.159 to be weird to look out in the crowd and 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:38.760 see people just singing along. Journal that was about some dark, 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:41.479 heavy sound, dark stuff, Like what a weird position to 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:42.920 be in, But you're saying it's good. 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:47.000 Yeah, you know it is. It's that's how I do it. 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:50.120 It's been really interesting because that's how I've always written songs. 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:55.280 And my first album I put out Telegraph, I wrote 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:59.200 I started writing when I was fourteen, released it when 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:02.200 I was about fifteen, and I was in the thick 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:04.520 of all of that that junk, you know, all of 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:07.680 that abuse and trauma and stuff that was going on, 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:12.520 and it was all coming out through my lyrics. And 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:15.280 so fans are now going back to that album and 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:18.320 looking at the lyrics and going, oh my gosh, like, yeah, 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:20.040 it's taking on a whole new life. We're seeing it 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:23.440 through a completely different lens. And he's been screaming from 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:26.120 the mountaintop since day one, you know, and we just 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:28.880 didn't you know, we were unaware of what he was 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:31.479 going through personally, and and so we didn't really you know, 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:34.560 these these lyrics are a lot heavier and talking about 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:37.000 things that are whoa you know. So that's that's. Uh, 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:39.120 I've seen a lot of that, which is which is 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:42.600 pretty cool. That's that's how I write. And when I 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:44.760 was starting to write this new album, but I didn't 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:48.920 approach it with the thought of making an album. I 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:50.840 was just you know, I was in the eye of 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:54.200 the storm. This documentary was going to come out. I 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:56.960 the world was going to know my story. And I 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:00.600 just started sitting down at the piano and using it 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:02.920 to get to get everything out, you know. 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:04.720 Twenty six songs later, yeah. 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:09.520 Twenty six songs later, I turned into an album. And 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:11.200 and then I just started getting super creative and I 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:13.960 was like, well, you know, this is some heavy material. 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:16.320 There's got to be some more, you know, it can't 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:18.920 just be like, Okay, here's my next album. And there's 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:21.680 a there's such a linear story, there's there's a lot 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:25.960 of flight references, you know, when you're feeling trapped or 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:27.800 you're going through something and you're like, man, I just 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:29.400 want to get away. I just want to escape. I 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:31.520 just want to go somewhere. You know, you always say 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:33.640 I just want to go to like an island and 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:35.680 get away from everybody and get away from everything. And 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:40.240 I started to construct this sort of narrative and the 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:43.160 songs are very linear of starting with like I want 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:44.720 to get away, I want to get out, I want 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:47.720 to do this, and then tragedy happening in my life. 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:53.120 It's it's really autobiographical, and then heartbreak and then that 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:56.560 getting fixed and triumphant redemption and this and that. So 0:06:56.600 --> 0:07:01.560 it's like a whole. It's like I putting together a movie, 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:03.479 you know, through sound. It's cool. 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:05.760 So have you gotten a chance to escape and get away? 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:07.600 Because it seems like the last year, or at least the 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:11.000 last few months, all eyes are on you, and everybody's 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:13.720 probably reaching out to you and saying, hey, talk about this, 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:16.240 Let's talk about this again and again and again. Did 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:18.040 you get to get away? Do you have some peace 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:20.520 at all or has it just been a whirlwind of crazy? 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:24.360 Well, it has been quite the whirlwind. But my escape 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:26.840 is in the studio. And that's how it was when 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:31.120 I was working, for example, Drake and Josh, And even 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:33.880 though I was in the thick of such heavy and 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:36.640 emotional things going on in my life, it's you know, 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:39.240 when I'm on stage and when the lights go up 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:40.880 and I get to start, you know, I get to 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:44.000 work that that that's an escape for me. And it's 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:47.400 sort of a metaphorical escape. That's sort of the narrative 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:49.840 of the record too, is you know, you want to 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:52.120 just escape and get away, but there's a lot of 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:55.640 work on the inside and that you have to do 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:58.440 first before you know. You can relax when you get 0:07:58.440 --> 0:07:59.560 to your destination. 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:02.840 I mean, you can run, but it will catch you. 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:04.680 You can go on vacation, when you come home, it's 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:05.960 gonna be there. You can take a nap, when you 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:07.600 wake up, it's still going to be there. You really 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:09.680 have to dive in and write your journal entries and 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:11.320 then apparently turn it into a double. 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:13.160 Discaltel exactly exactly. 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:14.440 And go perform all over the place. When you are 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:16.400 performing now, right, you have some shows coming up, is 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:17.160 it in California? 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:19.960 Yeah, I have a couple shows in California, I just 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:25.560 played in Tabasco and in Mexico, which were amazing shows. 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:28.760 This has been the most fun show I've put together, 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:29.320 I think. 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:32.720 Ever, when did you start working on this album three 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:34.160 years ago? Three years ago? 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:35.800 Yeah, it's been a long time. 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:37.800 Okay. That explains the amount of songs, yeah, that you 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:39.680 have because a few months I. 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:43.000 Keep I just keep writing, and it just keeps growing 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:44.680 and growing and growing and growing, and I'm like, we 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:47.000 gotta figure out, we got it. We gotta stop sometime. 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:49.240 You know. It's funny because the name of the album 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:53.040 is called NonStop Flight, but then as the album continued, 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:55.880 I was adding songs, adding songs, adding songs. I'm laughing 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:58.040 with my friends, like maybe it should just be called 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:02.680 NonStop album. His album's like never gonna be finished. 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:04.720 You know, do you find it easier to write when 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:06.199 you're happy or when you're sad? 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:09.760 Honestly, I think it's easier to write when you're sad. 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:14.240 I think it's uh, I don't know, Uh, there's stronger emotion. 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:17.520 I think when and I don't know if necessarily just sad, uh, 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:20.560 but when when there's just something more impactful going on 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:23.160 in your life. It's I think it's easier to find 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:25.240 the words to say. And also, when you're happy and 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:26.920 you're stoked, you're like, I want to know how out 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:28.640 with my friends? Like I want to go, like I 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:31.000 want to I'm feeling good, Like let's go out to lunch, 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:32.960 you know, And when you're upset, you're like, oh, I'm 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:35.760 in my house, I'm bummed. Okay, where's the piano, where's 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:36.160 my guitar? 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:38.000 You know. So it's almost like a Yelp review. People 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:40.360 always when they're pissed off, they're gonna go leave those 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:43.480 Yelp reviews. But when they're happy, very rarely do they 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:45.600 go and talk about how happy they are, which is 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:48.000 kind of sad but also makes total sense when it 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:49.160 comes to the songwriting process. 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:51.320 Comments on social media are the same way. You know, 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:54.040 if you if you're reading through social media, you're like, oh, man, 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:58.280 there's these bad comment who's gonna write, Who's gonna When 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:01.240 they're happy, they're just scrolling right, you know, so they're 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:03.120 not looking for something to attack or. 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:04.880 But shout out to the people who do leave nice 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:07.400 comments when they are happy. We love you. There are 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:09.800 less of you than the others. But how do you 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:13.200 please please leave more. Did you hear him? How do 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:15.520 you navigate that because you can't contry. I mean, you 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:17.160 could be the person that shots off all your comments. 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:19.920 But it is nice to get some feedback every now 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:21.559 and then from your fans and from the people who 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:24.240 follow you. How has that been recently with you? 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:27.600 It's been really great. I mean, the fan response to 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:31.360 my story coming out has been incredible. It's been a 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:34.080 good Uh, it's been uplifting good. 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:36.760 Yeah, that's good because I can only imagine how hard 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:40.040 all of that has been before and knowing what was coming, 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:42.520 because you obviously sat down and did this documentary ahead 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:44.760 of time. How long did you know before it was 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:46.080 coming out that it was like? How long was that 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:46.600 in the works? 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:47.360 About a year? 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:51.000 A year? Yeah, we had Mark Summerson not too long ago. 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:53.200 Oh yeah, and that click did you? 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:55.120 Yeah, it went viral because he said he was ambushed 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:57.440 and he did not know what was going on. What 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:00.840 did you think of the final product of Quiet on set? 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:10.480 Well, I'll say this, okaylad, I'm content with the way 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:15.120 that my story was able to be revealed to the world. 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:19.040 As far as the rest of the documentary goes. 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:21.440 Oh, I know, I've seen all this stuff about it. 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:23.640 It seems like there are some gray area with other people. 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:26.240 When I watched it, my first thought when it came 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:27.520 to you was I want to give him a hug. 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:29.679 And it makes me actually want to tear up a 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:31.600 little bit right now that you were going through all 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:33.839 of that and putting on a happy face for everybody, 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:35.840 and now you are using all of it to channel 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:40.120 into this wonderful music. And I am impressed that you 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:41.680 can do that. And I don't know how a lot 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:43.600 of people can get through those things and not say 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:46.280 fuck Hollywood in general. I'm out. I don't want to 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:47.200 do entertainment anymore. 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:49.960 You kept doing it because I love it. 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:52.880 So no thought has ever entered your mind. I'm leaving 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:53.480 this behind. 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:58.240 I can't. It's everything inside of me. And ever since 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:00.760 I was a little boy, all I wanted to do 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:03.720 was entertained. When I was five years old, six years old, 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:05.680 I you know, even though it's a very young age, 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:07.640 I didn't know what it was. I just knew that 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:11.560 I wanted to make people laugh, and that is my essence. 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:15.040 That's my soul, like I I that's my oxygen. And also, 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:18.000 I mean, fuck them, what am I gonna I'm gonna 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:21.160 I'm gonna quit. I'm gonna quit doing what I love 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:24.640 and what i've you know, I believe was born to do, 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:28.559 and so so that these monsters can win. 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:31.000 I love that attitude because it's so easy to get 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:34.520 discouraged and to let somebody doing something bad or even 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:37.079 saying things that are terrible get to you, get inside 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:38.400 you and say, I don't want to do this anymore, 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:40.559 like kind of kill your buzz, kill your spirit and 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:43.360 your light. And you didn't, and you're back better than ever. 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:45.560 Man, when I was on that stage and I you know, 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:48.440 you hear, you hear the hammers hitting building, the sets, 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:51.239 you smell that, you smell the wood being cut. You 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:54.400 you're walking over the cables, you're seeing the cameras, the lights, 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:58.079 and that's home. That's that's where I felt safe. That's 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:00.160 where I felt happy, That's where I felt creative, that's 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:02.760 where I felt alive. I'll be damned if I'm gonna 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:04.280 allow anybody to take that away from me. 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:06.520 That's exactly what I want to hear. I don't want 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:08.640 to feel. I don't want to hear from you that 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:10.120 you feel like this is something you have to do, 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:11.840 or that you're trapped in doing It's good to know 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:13.640 that you want to do it and you're having a 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:15.320 good time doing it and at the same time as 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:18.120 therapeutic and helping you get through all the bullshit. 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:22.000 Yeah, I mean I've I've lost houses, but I'm not 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:25.480 gonna I'm not gonna lose my metaphorical home. 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:28.200 You know, you're gonna stick with it. Yeah, Would you 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:30.000 let your kids get into it? 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:33.360 That's a tough question because there's nothing else I wanted 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:36.880 to do. Had somebody, you know, my parents or somebody 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:42.240 had said no, you can't do that because there's some 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:51.880 horror stories. Well, there's horror stories and everything. I mean yeah, radio, yeah, radio, television, film, school, sports, 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:55.520 corporate life. I mean there's there's You're find you find 0:13:55.840 --> 0:14:00.760 bad actors everywhere, mostly in Hollywood, but but but you know, 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:05.080 there's there's there's people, there's there's bad eggs in every basket. 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:09.440 So to take that dream away from a child, I 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:12.440 couldn't imagine doing that. But having my experience and knowing 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:14.720 what I know, I wouldn't not let them. 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:16.960 You'd also be coming from a place of experience where 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:20.400 you're like a hawk, probably watching and able to see 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:22.240 things that your parents might not have been able to 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:24.280 see because they were new to it, whereas you've that's 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:24.760 what I hear. 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:26.320 About, you know, And that's a good that's a good 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:28.920 segue into this is where a lot of people on 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:32.480 social media, a lot of people in the media are well, 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:33.400 where were the parents? 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:33.480 What? 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:36.440 Why? How could the parents? And it's the parent's fault 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:38.240 and it's this fault. No, it's not. It's the person 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:42.200 who who perpetrated what happened. It's their fault. You're talking 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:44.880 about parents who have never been on a movie set. 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:49.680 They don't know how to conduct themselves. They don't know what, how, 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:52.920 how far they can go with what they and so 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:56.520 they're learning too. It's just as easy to take advantage 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:59.960 of them because they're just as vulnerable. So to say, oh, 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:03.800 it was the parents, Well, it's like you're actively learning 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:07.480 the boundaries and what I can where I can speak up, 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:09.560 and what I can say, or is my son gonna 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:10.800 get fired? Are they gonna get picked up for the 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:12.560 next season? You're like, why is that important? You're like, 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:14.320 it doesn't have to and it also doesn't have to 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:17.080 be something as extreme as what I went through. It 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:22.160 could be something like, you know what, my son's exhausted, Like, 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:24.840 do we have to throw the pie in his face 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:28.680 another six times? And that's something totally apparent has the 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:31.040 right to go up and say. But as you're in 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:33.600 the process of learning, you're like, can I go up 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:36.600 and tell the director or the producer that my my 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:39.480 son's had enough? Can we move on? So that's why 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:41.800 I think it's important to have changes in the industry 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:44.200 where you have something like somebody like a social worker 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:48.440 or somebody who has experience with mental health and childcare, 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:52.960 and you know, they're they're appointed by not the production 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:56.400 or not the studio, so they have no ties, they 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:58.080 have no concern whether or not they're going to get 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:02.000 a job by this studio the next time. Having somebody 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:06.560 that is experienced enough to recognize, hey, you know, this 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:09.800 child's laughing and saying, oh no, it's okay. I'll slip 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:12.560 and fall one more time. But they can recognize, hey, 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:15.800 you know what, let me give us, give us ten minutes. 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:18.680 I need to speak with this child and their parent 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:20.720 and take them into another room. And I want to 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:22.360 sit down with the child and make sure that he's okay. 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:23.960 And this is what's going on. Because I see him 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:26.320 feeling a little uncomfortable, but he's in a position where 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:28.600 he doesn't feel that he can express that. So we're 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:30.040 going to take the We're going to take a moment 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:32.440 and stop everything. And they have the power to do that. 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:34.880 So I think that, you know, small changes like that 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:36.960 can have a profound effect on that. 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:39.000 Actually seems like a really huge change and something that 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:43.040 is much more possible now that this documentary did come out. Yeah, 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:45.160 and that there are all these people saying, hey, had 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:46.680 we had X, Y and Z on the set, this 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:49.440 stuff wouldn't have happened. And now as dark as what 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:51.760 you went through was, there is something that you can 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:53.680 do for other people in the future to shine a 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:56.320 light and say this is how we make it not happen. 0:16:56.560 --> 0:17:00.720 Yeah, And maybe there's maybe an aspect of that is, 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:03.480 you know, an hour set aside, maybe two hours set 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:05.399 aside two days a week, one day a week, whatever, 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:08.600 just for mental health and have that set aside for 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:11.000 the kids so that when they do get in a situation, 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:15.200 they feel comfortable enough to go to that person and say, hey, 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:19.720 this doesn't feel do I really have to do this? 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:22.399 I just don't feel comfortable. I don't feel comfortable wearing this, 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:25.000 or I don't feel comfortable this joke makes me feel uncomfortable, 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:27.520 or I just don't know if this is right, and 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:29.399 then they can handle the situation. 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:31.600 There's more checks and balances in general would be great, 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:34.520 which if we're being real, not just for kids on sets, 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:37.440 but it goes on. It's rampant, one hundred with adults 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:41.200 on set. With entertainment in general. Entertainment is a beautiful, shiny, 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:43.920 amazing thing. And it's also really really dark and has 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:47.000 sharp edges. And if you don't want yourself, whichever branch 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:48.880 of entertainment you're in, you can get got. 0:17:49.160 --> 0:18:02.240 Definitely, definitely. And you know, after reading Jeanette's book and 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:05.199 I Janet mccurty, Janet mccurty's book, Yeah, there were so 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:08.360 many parallels in our story. It was incredible. I mean 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:10.440 not just in growing up in Hollywood, but I mean 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:13.040 we grew up in the same city, Garden Grove. When 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:14.399 she was going to Disneyland all the time, I was 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:16.040 going to do that all the time. She's naming street 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:17.640 names in her book, and I'm like, oh my gosh, 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:19.400 I live like four streets away from there. That's where 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:22.879 I grew up. It's just it was really interesting reading. 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:27.000