1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, please help us find Aubrey. 2 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: The parents of a missing Lehigh Valley girl are pleading 3 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: for your help Tonight. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. 4 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with US police desperately searching for 5 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: a missing fourteen year old amidst a family's fears of 6 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: sex trafficking. Joining us an all star panel to make 7 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: sense of what we are learning about missing Aubrey Tonight 8 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,599 Speaker 1: as the days pass her parents are desperate and they 9 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: are joining us now straight out to John German, joining us, 10 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: her stepdad. 11 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 2: And her mom Jade. To both of you, thank you 12 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 2: for being with us. John. From what you have told me, there. 13 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: Was no indication at all that Aubrey would just run 14 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: away and disappear. Why are you concerned Aubrey could be 15 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: sex trafficked? 16 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 3: Thank you, Nancy. 17 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 4: Our concerns are there stem from the fact that we 18 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 4: learned that there was extensive use of a hotspot in 19 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 4: our home from a real phone that we provided her 20 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 4: that had multiple layers of parental controls. Saturday morning, one 21 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:25,839 Speaker 4: of Aubrey's closest friend, if not her closest friend, provided 22 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 4: us feedback that she had tried to reach out to Aubrey. 23 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 4: I said to her, well, I have Aubrey's phone and 24 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 4: I don't see an inbound call or a text, and 25 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 4: the young girl uttered the phrase to us, that is 26 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 4: the beginning of our living nightmare here, which is I 27 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 4: contacted your daughter through her secret snapcat. 28 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 5: And she proceeded to Okay, whoa, whoa wait, wait, guys 29 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 5: with me, Aubrey's mom and stepdad, Jade and John, you 30 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 5: just fell want you put a dagger in my heart 31 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 5: secret snap Chat hold on just a moment. 32 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: Joining me is a special guest, an a sonoda, a 33 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: grooming expert. Snapchat can be innocent, but it can also 34 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 1: be every parent's worst a nightmare and a nutshell, because remember, Anna, 35 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: you're very well versed in all of this, a digital 36 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: the digital scare parents live through. 37 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 2: In a nutshell? What is Snapchat? What is he talking about? 38 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 4: Nancy? 39 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 6: Snapchat is one of the most popular apps that teens 40 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 6: are using these days to not only share messages, but 41 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 6: also share pictures and videos. The unique part about Snapchat 42 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 6: is that whatever you send, you get it and. 43 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 2: Then it disappears. 44 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 6: However, we all know that it still lives on in 45 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 6: the cloud on the web itself. But this is an 46 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 6: app that is used by most teenagers can through smart devices, 47 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 6: and it is a playground for potential predators. 48 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it can be innocent too, Anna, because 49 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 1: the other day the twins send out a snapchat to 50 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: a group about homecoming get together and it can be 51 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: useful and wonderful. 52 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 2: And they keep in touch that way. But you're right. 53 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: It disappears virtually as soon as you send it, and 54 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: it's among other media platforms, is very popular. 55 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 2: If anybody says email, just wipe that out of your mind. 56 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: Tweens, preteens scenes, that's a thing of the past. Don't 57 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: even say FB, Facebook. 58 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 2: Forget it, not happening. They don't care. It's over for them. 59 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 2: Maybe you and your friends all do Facebook. They don't. 60 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 2: Back to John. 61 00:03:55,520 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: German and Jade, the mom and stepfather of this little girl. 62 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 2: To Jade, this is Aubrey's mom, Jade. 63 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 7: What went through your mind when you realized Aubrey was 64 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 7: not in her room's parents' worst nightmare because just the 65 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 7: week that she left, she was good morning, good. 66 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 3: Night, love you mom, love you Dad. And discover her 67 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 3: disappearance and knowing the next day of the snapchat, we 68 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 3: know it's very bad news, and the nightmare begins. 69 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: What were you telling you at the hotspot? And snapchat 70 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: what you learned? Because as Jade, mom is telling us 71 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: right before she disappears, I. 72 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 2: Love you, Mom, I love you guys and goes to bed. 73 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 4: That's Aubrey most nights. Actually we have to fight her off. 74 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 4: She's going to bed. She says good night, I love 75 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 4: you over and over. It's very endearing of her. She 76 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 4: is a very loving and kind young girl, and she 77 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 4: wants to hear it back. She doesn't want us to 78 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 4: nod and just go uh huh okay. Sometimes I could 79 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 4: be a little bit like that and Aubrey would just 80 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 4: come over, give her mom a big hug, give me 81 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 4: a hug, and say, all right, guys, I'm going to bed, 82 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 4: And yeah, I agree with Jade. We were very blind sided. 83 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 4: But I know your question is about the hotspot. So 84 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 4: the night before we did have an opportunity to take Aubrey. 85 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 4: She had dance plass that evening, so we took her 86 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 4: out to eat our favorite spot. You'd like to go 87 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 4: to a popeyees. We get some chicken, We sit in 88 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 4: the parking lot, listen to some music and that that's 89 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 4: our space, and we began to talk, and the conversation 90 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 4: was a little difficult, a little bit more difficult than 91 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 4: usual get into the to the truth of what some 92 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 4: of the things were we were talking about. So we 93 00:05:55,720 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 4: asked for Aubrey's cell phone, and right away some things 94 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 4: looked off. There was no recent phone calls for the 95 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 4: prior month, there was no recent text messages for the 96 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 4: prior month. And to know Aubrey is to know Aubrey 97 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 4: is a social butterfly. There ever, was one and all 98 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 4: winter break she had been going out to the mall, 99 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 4: to the library, so we were a little concerned that 100 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 4: we saw like the lack of coordination on her phone. 101 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 4: So as Jade and her are talking, I grabbed my phone, 102 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 4: which gives me the billing details, and actually, surprisingly the 103 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 4: calls and the text they match up, so I'm actually thinking, Okay, 104 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 4: this is good. And then I noticed there's a third 105 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 4: tab on my bill that I've never seen before, which 106 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 4: is hotspot. Now, in our own home, we have Wi Fi. 107 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 4: Jade and I both work remotely from home, so I 108 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 4: was a little surprised to see that there was a 109 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 4: hotspot being used on the account. So I went into 110 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 4: the details, and when I clicked on the details, and 111 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 4: now this is January ninth, my ninth day on a 112 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 4: thirty day billion cycle, a twenty three page result is 113 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 4: returned to me. So immediately I turned to Jade in 114 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 4: the front seat of the car and I said, Jade, 115 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 4: we've got a major problem, kind of you know, just 116 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 4: kind of whispering between parents here. I turned to Aubrey 117 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 4: and I handed to my phone and I said, I'd 118 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 4: like you to help us understand why there's twenty one 119 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 4: pages of hotspot activity, and let's start with what the 120 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 4: device is, just trying to cut right to the case. 121 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 4: But Nancy, unfortunately that conversation we didn't get to the 122 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 4: end state of any acknowledgment that there was even a 123 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 4: device in our house. It was a challenging conversation for us, 124 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 4: and we've had many of these. 125 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, do you know how much I hate 126 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: confronting the twins over being on the phone too much. 127 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,679 Speaker 1: I have to practically wrestle it away from my son. 128 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 2: They're both seventeen. 129 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: They're twins at the dinner table, which is a major 130 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: no no. And you'll say, Mom, I'm just filling the 131 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: blank and it always seems so legit. I'm checking what 132 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: time the game is, I'm this, I'm that, but it's 133 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: there attached to it. I actually think it's some psychological thing, 134 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: and I'm going to go to our shrink in just 135 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: a moment. But this is what we learned about the 136 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: additional tab. 137 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 2: Listen. 138 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 8: Just over six months after Aubrey gets her own phone, 139 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 8: her parents discover a second, older iPhone hidden in her room. 140 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 8: When confronted, Aubrey admits she convinced a boy at school 141 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 8: to give it to her, and he told his parents. 142 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 9: He lost it. 143 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 8: Aubrey's extremely upset when her parents take both phones away 144 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 8: and ground her after. 145 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 10: School, Aubrey only comes out for a quiet dinner, then 146 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 10: goes straight back upstairs. Aubrey's parents tuck in for an 147 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 10: early night, assuming Aubrey has done the scene behind her 148 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 10: closed bedroom door. 149 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: As I mentioned earlier, we have an all star panel 150 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: joining with Aubrey's parents, trying our best to help bring 151 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: this fourteen year old little girl home her parents, and 152 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:05,839 Speaker 1: you'll learn why fear that she has been sex trafficked. 153 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: In Joining me right now, a long time colleague that 154 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: I now consider a friend, Alicia Kozykevitch. She goes by 155 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: Alicia Kozak and she is the survivor. 156 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 2: Of a teen abduction. She was lured via the Internet. 157 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: She was held hostage, abused, beaten, and it was the 158 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: evening her kidnapper had planned to kill her after sharing 159 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:50,479 Speaker 1: images of her to other pedophiles. One of the pedophiles 160 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: felt sorry for her and called police. That is how 161 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:02,319 Speaker 1: her life was saved within hours of her death. Her 162 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: being with us is a miracle, and tonight we have 163 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: a chance to save another young girl. Aubrey, Alicia, I 164 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: don't know how you managed to tell your story over 165 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 1: and over, bringing up the worst thing that has ever 166 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: happened to you. 167 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 2: How were you as a little girl lord online? 168 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 11: Yes, Nancy, I am so lucky to be here. And 169 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 11: it's a really hard story to share that I've been 170 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 11: sharing since I was fourteen years old, and it is 171 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 11: such an important story to share because it's what so 172 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 11: many kids are facing today. When I was thirteen, I 173 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 11: was really shy. I was quiet. I was the good kid. 174 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 11: I was curious. I was just a kid. But I 175 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 11: was vulnerable, as all kids are, and predators are seeking 176 00:10:56,400 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 11: out kids who are vulnerable, which Unfortunately, all kids are vulnerable, 177 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 11: and so what they do is they look for those 178 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 11: vulnerabilities to exploit and they groom and act as though 179 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 11: they are a friend. And it's really so simple. It's 180 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 11: just being into what the child is into, saying what 181 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 11: the child wants to hear, versus what they need to hear. 182 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 11: Always being there for them, always on their side, always 183 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 11: somebody that they can count on, somebody who makes them laugh, 184 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 11: somebody who makes them feel connected, and somebody who feels 185 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 11: like they know the real them. We have so many 186 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 11: different versions of ourselves, especially as kids. We have the 187 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 11: US at school, with US at the dinner table, the 188 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 11: US at church, the US here, the S there, But 189 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 11: who is the real you? And kids are still trying 190 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,719 Speaker 11: to figure out certainly who they are. They're trying to 191 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 11: figure out what they like, literally their identity, and predators 192 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 11: come in, swoop in and say, well, I know the 193 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 11: real you, and I think the real you is amazing. 194 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 11: While they're trying to discover all this slowly breaks down boundaries, 195 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 11: and they are so good at doing what they do. 196 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:06,719 Speaker 2: It's amazing to me. 197 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: Alicia Koseykevich that you were very loved by your family. 198 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 2: You loved them back. 199 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: But you met a friend online that first posed as 200 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: a girl and later said, hey, I'm really a boy. 201 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: But you know, I was just trying to get close 202 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: to you. And I don't think you talked to me 203 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: if you I was. 204 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 2: A boy, blah blah blah. 205 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: And so you overlooked that adults wouldn't do that children would. 206 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: And then one night around Christmas time, you're sitting at 207 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: the table having dinner. 208 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 2: It starts very lightly. 209 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:44,079 Speaker 1: Snowing outside, and your friend says, come meet me outside, 210 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: and between dinner and dessert, you vanish. 211 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 6: Yeah. 212 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 11: And that's something that I talked to children about, definitely 213 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 11: and to adults, is that I felt so loved. I 214 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 11: knew I was loved. I had such a close relationship 215 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 11: my family, and yet deep down I still felt lonely, 216 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,719 Speaker 11: and that loneliness was one of my big vulnerabilities. And 217 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,319 Speaker 11: on New Year's Day two thousand and two, I agreed 218 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 11: to meet this person, which was completely out of my character. 219 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 11: Like I said, I was really shy, I was really quiet. 220 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 11: I was a kid who didn't raise their hand in class. 221 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 11: I wasn't the kid who would go to walk to 222 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 11: the grocery store. I was a very quiet at home 223 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 11: kind of kid. And what predators do is they are 224 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 11: able to wear down who which child is in so 225 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 11: many ways and to change who they are characteristically and 226 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 11: get them to do things that they would never do. 227 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 11: If you had talked to me the night before this 228 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 11: happened and said, hey, Alicia, this is what you're going 229 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 11: to do in the future, I would say absolutely not. 230 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 11: I would never do that. I'm so much smarter than that, 231 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 11: I'm so much more careful than that. And yet on 232 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 11: that night, against every bit of who I am, I 233 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 11: went against that because that's how good predators are at 234 00:13:57,880 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 11: what they do. 235 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: Alicia, with a ten minutes of leaving the supper table, 236 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,119 Speaker 1: where did you find yourself? 237 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 11: I found myself in this man's car and he began 238 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 11: driving from Pittsyl, Pennsylvania, where I lived, to Virginia, where 239 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 11: he held me captive in his basement. 240 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 8: Dungeon, A Pennsylvania family is worried sick about fourteen year 241 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 8: old inc Aubrey WU, who disappeared six weeks ago. Aubrey's 242 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 8: parents say, based on her secret social media use, Aubrey 243 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 8: could be anywhere from California to Saudi Arabia. Her parents 244 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 8: terrified she was lured out of their home by a 245 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 8: predator and may be a victim of sex trafficking. Pennsylvania 246 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 8: teen in c Aubrey wu critically missing as a search 247 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 8: intensifies after the fourteen year old girl was last seen 248 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 8: at home over six weeks ago. 249 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: We may have a chance to bring Aubrey home alive. 250 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 2: Look at her. Here is the number to call if 251 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 2: you think even think you have seen her. 252 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: Six one zero seven five nine to two hundred repeat 253 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: six one zero seven five nine two to zero. Crime 254 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Her parents joining us tonight. Now, 255 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: the dad and mom just told you that they took 256 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: her phone away when they realized she had a secret phone, 257 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: and then she didn't like it. 258 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 2: Of course, and then this. 259 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's our ruler. 260 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 12: Is he here? 261 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 4: She should be hold on, hold. 262 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 3: On or Mom and I are hitting that. 263 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 4: I'm wait all right, hold on, hey. 264 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 2: Aubrey. 265 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 13: Aubrey. 266 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 14: John German calls upstairs for Aubrey several times, but receives 267 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 14: no answer. The family security cameras reveal Aubrey crawled out 268 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 14: her bedroom window. 269 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: Oh my stars, straight back out to the parents, joining us, Mom, Jay, Stepdad, John, 270 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: what did you guys think, Quen, you go to the 271 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: door and it's police. John, What were police doing at 272 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: your door? And we see you steal in your bathrobe? 273 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: Start calling Ay Aubrey, come down. What did they tell you? 274 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: Why were they looking for your girl? 275 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 4: Well, thanks for the question, Nancy. You know that video 276 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 4: shows me at the front door. But actually what woke 277 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 4: us up because we do take a nap and use 278 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 4: a sound machine. They were banging on our bedroom windows 279 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 4: on the side of our house. They were banging on 280 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 4: our back door. So actually I first checked the back door, 281 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 4: thinking maybe it was just some kids in the neighborhood, 282 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 4: you know, kind of goofing around, and that's why I 283 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 4: have my bathrobe on. I go to the door, but 284 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 4: when I look through the blinds, I see police lights 285 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 4: light lit up all around our property. It was about 286 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 4: five cards out there. And then as soon as I 287 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 4: hollered up to her that actually I wasn't so worried. Honestly, 288 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 4: Nancy Aubrey has a tendency to be in her room 289 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 4: with headphones on listening to music. It is Friday night, 290 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 4: so I just thought maybe she didn't hear me, And 291 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 4: then I asked Jade to go upstairs and check. But 292 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 4: when Jade said she's not there, that is a feeling 293 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 4: that I don't ever want to feel again, and I 294 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 4: don't want any other parent to have to feel it 295 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 4: was It brings me to tears out even to talk 296 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 4: about it. It's just in this moment when we know 297 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 4: she's not there, and that window, Nancy, it is configured 298 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 4: to only open as much for a window fan, so 299 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 4: it's maybe only eight inches of an opening, so and 300 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 4: it goes out onto a rickety old roof and probably 301 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 4: hasn't had a new shingle at it since nineteen thirty 302 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,199 Speaker 4: when it was built, so it's very dangerous. It's not 303 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 4: even just you know, like she's got to go onto 304 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 4: one roof, then she's got to climb or jump onto 305 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 4: the adjoining roof and then climb over this tiny balcony 306 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 4: where our neighbor keeps a big grill. 307 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 2: And it's a lot. 308 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 4: I was actually quite stunned, I at first, until we 309 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 4: got our neighbor's camera. Jade and I were actually completely 310 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 4: puzzled as to how she left the house and we 311 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 4: didn't see it on our cameras because I kept telling 312 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 4: Jade that opening is just small and then we saw 313 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 4: the footage, so she really you know, I would have 314 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 4: had a difficult time getting out of that window, that's 315 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 4: for sure, and it was really unsafe. 316 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: Joining me now is Karen Start, renownced psychologist, TV radio 317 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 1: trauma expert. You can find her at Karenstart dot com. 318 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 1: Joining us from Manhattan today, Karen, thank you for being 319 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: with us. I'm going to circle back in a moment 320 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: to Annison who wrote duck Groom. But Karen, I get 321 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: the sense to that a cell phone, And here we 322 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: see the parents gave her a cell phone just before 323 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 1: her birthday, but before that she had convinced a little 324 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: boy at school to give her his cell phone okay, 325 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: and tell his mom he lost it. Smart girl, And 326 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: she created I guess a hotspot to use that phone 327 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: right because it didn't have internet service, so she arranged 328 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: for there to be internet service. So when dad is 329 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 1: looking at her phone and comparing it to his bill 330 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: and seeing big chunks of time, she's not using her 331 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 1: cell when she goes to the mall or wherever she goes, 332 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 1: she's not texting anything. It's because she's on this secret phone. 333 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: And what I'm getting at with you is I swear. 334 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: Sometimes I feel that cell phones, the internet TikTok. Adults 335 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: do it too. My best friend from law school, every 336 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: time I look at him, he's looking at it. I'm like, Frank, 337 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: get off your phone. You're with actual people right now. 338 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: It's an addiction like drinking. Are drugs, Karen. 339 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 12: Without a doubt, Nancy phones anything with social media that's 340 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 12: taken over our culture. That's how everybody who is young 341 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 12: interacts with each other. And here we're talking about a 342 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 12: really smart little girl who understood how to get around rules, 343 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 12: who was rebellious. Maybe she felt that the constraints were 344 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 12: too tight on her. None if this is unusual for 345 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 12: a teenager, but keep in mind that their brains are 346 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 12: not fully developed. They really don't understand things in a 347 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 12: complex way. It's black or white. So here she is, 348 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 12: and she is manipulating the system and believing that what 349 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 12: she's doing is okay. That she doesn't understand negative consequences. 350 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 12: You just don't. That's why it's so hard to get 351 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 12: to teenagers. 352 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 4: You have to be able to talk of your level. 353 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,679 Speaker 12: How that bone ship take it over and everyone is 354 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 12: constantly looking at them. That's the whole culture when it 355 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 12: comes to your children and everyone's children. 356 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: You know, Anna Sna She's right, Anna, this is what 357 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: I've learned. 358 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 2: There's no spanking, no hitting, no go to your room 359 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 2: at our home. 360 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: If we want to make a point, which is I've 361 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: got to say, let me knock on what israere? Because 362 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: the twins are super well, they're practically perfect. I'll just 363 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: put it that way. But that's also that's what these 364 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: parents thought too. They had never had trouble with her. 365 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: She's great, grades, sweet, loving, the works. But if you 366 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: take their phone, it's like you've poured acid on them. 367 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 2: I think it's some sort of an addiction. 368 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 1: And the way that she behaved, the way she reacted 369 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: when the parents took her phone, is entirely normal. She 370 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,120 Speaker 1: was angry, she went to her room, she came out 371 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: that evening, she had a very quiet dinner, went back 372 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: to her room, and the next morning the cops were 373 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: at the door when the little friend can't find her. 374 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, and Nancy, everything you're highlighting here indicates that this 375 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 6: is a normal teenage girl, and normal teenage girls have struggles. 376 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 6: They have challenges, whether in their homes or at school, 377 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 6: with friends, and just with their own identities. As they're 378 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 6: going through adolescents. So it's not uncommon to see that 379 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 6: teens will turn to the Internet and apps and people 380 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 6: that they meet online for support, for validation. And unfortunately, 381 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 6: predators are well positioned to arm themselves in a position 382 00:22:54,920 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 6: of availability in the space that's available to them. Even still, 383 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 6: parents look and think, oh, well, my child's at home. 384 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 6: They are safe because they're not outside, But all the 385 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 6: while they're accessing the Internet from the comfort of their 386 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 6: bedrooms or their their homes themselves. And this is a 387 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,919 Speaker 6: risk factor that all families need to be aware of, 388 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 6: just like this family was aware of it. That's why 389 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 6: they have parenting controls. And unfortunately, no, no level of 390 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 6: monitoring is enough when predators know exactly how to infiltrate 391 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 6: the minds and spirits of our young people. 392 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 4: And I don't think yeah here, yeah, an order here, 393 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 4: she should be hold on, hold on our mom, and 394 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 4: I are thinking that I'm all right, hold on. 395 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 13: Hey, Aubrey, Aubrey, You're. 396 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 6: All has been forwarded to your voicemail. The person you're 397 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,959 Speaker 6: trying to reach is not Ail at hells. 398 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 3: Recording your message had finished. 399 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 4: Recording, then I am astoring you as. 400 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 15: A as you have my fourteen year old stepdaughter in 401 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 15: your custody. 402 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: There you hear Aubrey's parents begging an older white female 403 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: to get in touch with them about Aubrey. Now, how 404 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: does she play into this scenario? Straight out to crimeonline 405 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter Sydney Sumner and a nutshell. 406 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 2: Who is this woman? 407 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 16: Sydney Fancy? So we believe this woman just happened across Aubrey. 408 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 16: So Aubrey has left her home, it's dark, it's cold outside. 409 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 16: This woman just happens to spot her as he if 410 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 16: she's okay, and Aubrey tells the story of having left 411 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 16: her abusive home and needing someplace to stay. So this 412 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:05,199 Speaker 16: woman is acting with good intentions, maybe not the best intentions, 413 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 16: but she takes this young girl into her home thinking 414 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 16: she needs help. 415 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 2: Listen. 416 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 10: About half an hour after the woman says Aubrey left, 417 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 10: another woman sponts Aubrey hitchhiking near the Ormrod Quarry. Fifteen 418 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 10: minutes later, Aubrey appears again, this time on surveillance at 419 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 10: a wah Wah convenience store. Aubrey is still wearing her 420 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 10: blue sweater with red sleeves, black yoga pants and her 421 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 10: white Billie Eilish sneakers, but she also has a gray 422 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 10: beanie and a bag. She did not leave her home 423 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 10: with Aubrey appears to be alone. 424 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: Straight out to Aubrey's mom, Jade Wu, there's no doubt 425 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: in my mind that that is a photo of Aubrey. 426 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 3: Yes, that's right now. 427 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 2: When was that photo taken? As it relates to when 428 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 2: she left the home through the window. 429 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 17: This picture was taken by a Wahwah convenience store at 430 00:25:55,440 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 17: January elevens, one day after Aubrey left home nine pm 431 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 17: at Whitehall, which is thirty minutes away from our home 432 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 17: in Palmer Township. 433 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 2: So we know she was alive the next day. So 434 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 2: who is this woman and what does she, if anything, 435 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 2: have to do with Aubrey. Listen. 436 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 14: Using the phone number Aubrey contacted her boyfriend from Palmer, 437 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 14: PD tracked down the woman Aubrey is believed to be with. 438 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 14: The older woman lives in a wealthy area of Allentown, 439 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 14: more than twenty miles from Aubrey's home. The woman recognizes 440 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 14: Aubrey's picture and admits the teen was with her but 441 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 14: ran away just a few minutes ago. The woman claims 442 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 14: she crossed paths with Aubrey on the street around nine 443 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 14: pm Friday night and invited the teen into her home 444 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 14: as she was not dressed for the weather. 445 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: All of this because her parents take away her cell phone. 446 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: Joining me now, expert the director of Operations USP, a 447 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 1: nationwide security who leads a team of investigators who specialize 448 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,199 Speaker 1: in finding missing people. With me is Brian Fitzgibbons at 449 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 1: uspasecurity dot Com. Brian, at the beginning, I was highly 450 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: suspicious of this woman. Okay, a middle Asia, older woman 451 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: living in some wealthy enclave sees Aubrey. Aubrey gives her 452 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 1: a hard luck story. The woman takes her home, believes 453 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: the story, and before the woman can contact the parents 454 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 1: or anyone else, Aubrey runs away. 455 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 2: Now what do we do, Brian? Exactly? We're talking about 456 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 2: out of the frying pan and into the fire here. 457 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 13: What likely the next step needs to be is to 458 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,400 Speaker 13: look at forensically, look at this woman's cell phone, see 459 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 13: what apps were downloaded, what was logged into. 460 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 2: We have to believe that Aubrey. 461 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 13: Used her phone to communich kate in multiple ways with 462 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 13: multiple people, and that's that's the next hard lead in this. 463 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: Case, Alicia Kozakevitch joining us. I want you to hear this, Alicia. 464 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 15: This woman, though, believes that we are physical using Aubrey 465 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,120 Speaker 15: and is preparing to turn her over to people from 466 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 15: Pennsylvania to get her out of here. This woman, they said, 467 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 15: she seems. 468 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:22,640 Speaker 3: A nice older woman. 469 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 15: That woman is convinced that we needed the torture awry, 470 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 15: and she thinks she. 471 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 3: Is helping all. 472 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 4: This kid is connecting the pots of talking. 473 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 15: Up her friends, realizing she ran away and that she's 474 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 15: beenigulating this oldly. 475 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 3: But the old lady keeps hanging. 476 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 17: Out on me. 477 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 3: She wanted to answer my. 478 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: Alisha Kozykevitch was lured as a little girl about the 479 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: same age as Aubrey, lured online by a predator. She 480 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: was horribly abused and beaten, kept in an underground dungeon. 481 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 2: But she actually lied to her family. But think about it. 482 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: A child that doesn't tell mom and dad, hey, I 483 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: made a new friend online. 484 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 2: Is that lying? Well, of course it is to us, 485 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 2: but the child is innocent and doesn't understand. 486 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: So, Alicia, are you surprised at all that Aubrey told 487 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: this old lady, hey, hey, I've got to get away from. 488 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 2: Home and spend the night there. I'm not surprised at all. 489 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 11: No, it's not surprising, especially because to Aubrey it may 490 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 11: have been that something in her sphere of things was 491 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 11: happening at home that to her it did feel like abuse. 492 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 11: To her, it did feel like that. And kids are 493 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 11: going through so so much and they want help, and 494 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 11: often we tell them go to a trusted adult, but 495 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,239 Speaker 11: it's who they trust as an adult, not necessarily an 496 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 11: adult that they can trust. And that may very well 497 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 11: be what happened here. And that if this woman was 498 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 11: acting with the best intentions, which maybe she was, possibly 499 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 11: possibly she wasn't that she didn't take the best actions. 500 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 11: She did need to call the police immediately, she did 501 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 11: need to go to the hospital. As he had said, 502 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 11: there needed to be an action taken immediately, and not 503 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 11: that this young girl needed to be hidden away. That's 504 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 11: where everything fell apart. And now this girl is lost 505 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 11: when we were able to tell. 506 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: Where she was prior to this, and here is another 507 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: chance that she could have been saved. Aubrey convinces the 508 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: old woman to take her to her little boyfriend's family. 509 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 2: Listen, Yah, this. 510 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 18: Person partlandand Aubrey's boyfriend reaches out to her parents to 511 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 18: tell them about the encounter with Aubrey and the woman 512 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 18: outside his home. 513 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 10: He says Aubrey appeared physically okay and describes the woman 514 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 10: she was with as an older white woman driving an SUV, 515 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 10: but he can't speak to the make or model of 516 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 10: the car. He sends them screenshots of several texts from Aubrey, 517 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 10: but says she isn't answering him anymore. 518 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy. 519 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: Grace straight back out to Jay, this is Aubrey's mom, 520 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: so here's another chance. The old lady could have saved Aubrey, 521 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: but she believed Aubrey. She believed what Aubrey said in 522 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: her attempt to run away. Then Aubrey convinces the older 523 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: woman to take her to her little boyfriends. They get 524 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: there and the boyfriend's mom will not let her stay, 525 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 1: so she takes off. There was another chance to save 526 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: her right there. 527 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 17: Jade, Yes, when I hear about Aubrey's have met conn 528 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 17: that was this boyfriend and it happens to me. I 529 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 17: was luckily on Aubrey's Snapchat account and boyfriend was try 530 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 17: to apologize to Aubrey, say that I wish I could 531 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 17: have help you, And I immediately told him that I'm 532 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 17: her mom and she's been missing, and please tell me 533 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 17: what happened. 534 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 3: So he told me that half hour ago, this woman 535 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 3: with the suv come to their front door. It's not 536 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 3: exactly at their front door. They meet them at a 537 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 3: corner of their place. And this woman, like both boyfriend's 538 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 3: mom and this old woman, refused to call the police 539 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 3: and refuse to save my little throat And how entitled 540 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 3: are they to take it on their hands? The old 541 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,959 Speaker 3: women say it to the mother of the boyfriend. If 542 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 3: you're going to take her, I'm no way to tend 543 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 3: it to police. I'm going to tear her out of 544 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 3: state tomorrow. 545 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 4: When this boy messages to Aubrey saying, I'm so sorry 546 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 4: that my parents did that to you and they weren't 547 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 4: able to help you. I hope, I hope you're going 548 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 4: to be okay. They do not have a relationship, as 549 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 4: he has depicted to his parents that necessity necessitated them 550 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 4: calling in a welfare check to begin with. 551 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: The trail for their daughter, just fourteen years old, goes dead. 552 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: When she leaves the little boyfriend's family standing outside. They 553 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: say you can't stay here and send her off. Now 554 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: they are convinced their daughter has been sex trafficked, and. 555 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 10: This is why since Aubrey's disappearance, her parents have dug 556 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 10: through her social media profiles, discovering Aubrey has thousands of 557 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 10: contacts on Snapchat from all around the world, and many 558 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 10: of her conversations are much older than her. Her dangerous 559 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 10: social media behavior has her parents terrified that Aubrey could 560 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 10: have plans to meet up with the predator and that 561 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 10: Aubrey could end up anywhere. 562 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 19: A family's worst nightmare becomes a reality after their fourteen 563 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,240 Speaker 19: year old daughter in c Aubrey Wuh goes missing amidst 564 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 19: fears the young girl may have fallen prey to online predators. 565 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:29,319 Speaker 1: Joining us tonight, Aubrey's mother Jay and stepfather John joining us. 566 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:35,439 Speaker 1: But now to the family attorney, Alexandria Ali Crothammel, thank 567 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: you so much for being with us and for what 568 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: you were doing for her family. Let me understand what 569 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 1: exactly was the last siding of Aubrey. 570 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 2: Ali for the. 571 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 20: Last sighting of Aubrey was that she was seen at 572 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 20: the South Whitehall wall walk. There is video surveillance of 573 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 20: that and then she was subsequently seen by a person 574 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,800 Speaker 20: at the Panera Bread, which is about a five minute 575 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 20: to ten minute walk from the wah Wah in the 576 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 20: same town, which is South Whitehall, Pennsylvania. 577 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:13,320 Speaker 1: I'm curious, Allie, this is Allie Crothwell speaking the family lawyer. Allie, 578 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,880 Speaker 1: what time of the day or night were these sidings 579 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: at the wah Wahs which is like a convenience store 580 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,759 Speaker 1: grocery store and the Panera Bread. 581 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 21: It was approximately nine pm because we know this because 582 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 21: the man that spoke to Aubrey at the Panera Bread 583 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 21: was picking up his child from the Panera and they 584 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,439 Speaker 21: closed at approximately nine pm. 585 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 1: Guys, we have a confirmed siding of her at the 586 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: Panera Bread. 587 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 2: After that, there's no social media. 588 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:52,400 Speaker 1: There's no contact with family, no contact with a little boyfriend, nothing, 589 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 1: nothing at all. No Insta, no Snapchat, nothing. So given 590 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 1: that Brian Gibbons, where do we go from there? She 591 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:07,760 Speaker 1: was out at night alone and there's been no contact 592 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 1: with her by anyone ever since. 593 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 13: The amount of time is extremely concerning here, Nancy, and 594 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 13: from a digital perspective, one of the few things that 595 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,839 Speaker 13: we would be able to do is to see if 596 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 13: there were logins to those accounts. This is something that 597 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,479 Speaker 13: police should be looking at. The second thing is any 598 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:32,280 Speaker 13: other support networks that could be sending her money, friends, acquaintances, 599 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 13: any of these older male contacts that her parents found 600 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 13: on the phone. That this would be the next step 601 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 13: in the investigation. 602 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 1: This girl is fourteen years old and out there on 603 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 1: her own. The parents find an almost accountable contacts of 604 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 1: people reaching out to her on social media. Who are 605 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 1: these guys? How old are these guys? 606 00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 2: Where are these guys? 607 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,800 Speaker 1: And sounds of very much like Sarah Merrill when she 608 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 1: wakes up and finds her daughter gone. 609 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 20: I woke up in the morning. 610 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 22: I made myself some coffee, kind of stalled and was 611 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,320 Speaker 22: trying to enjoy a nice, quiet Saturday morning before everyone 612 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 22: got up, and I started to cook omelets. And then 613 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,279 Speaker 22: I realized it was awfully quiet and it was getting late. 614 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 22: So I decided to go check on Ella and wake 615 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 22: her up, and that's when I discovered she was gone. 616 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:30,840 Speaker 22: I was immediately frantic and panicking. I called her sister first, 617 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 22: and then I hung up on her and called the police, 618 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:35,880 Speaker 22: And as in. 619 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 1: The case of so many missing children, we find out 620 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,280 Speaker 1: she had been lured online. 621 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 21: The first friend's house I stopped at. 622 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 22: I heard concerns that she maybe with someone they had 623 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 22: known she had been talking to online. They all had 624 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 22: one thing in common. They all had a man from online. 625 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 22: They all thought his name was Keith, and they all 626 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:57,479 Speaker 22: thought he came from a different state. 627 00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 23: We don't get a lot of ride shares here in 628 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 23: and so we were able to narrow down who it was. 629 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,320 Speaker 23: A subject name of Keith with an address in Michigan 630 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 23: that from. 631 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 2: Our friends at KI NJ, Seattle. 632 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,360 Speaker 24: So we had taken away her phone and her internet 633 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,440 Speaker 24: access in our home. So every bit of conversation that 634 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 24: she had with the man that lured her away happened 635 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 24: at the school. On the school premises, she was kidnapped 636 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,799 Speaker 24: and held against her will for three hundred and ninety 637 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 24: nine days. He starved her, He tortured her, He assaulted 638 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 24: her in every way that you can imagine. He kept 639 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 24: her in a dog cage for days and days at 640 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:40,439 Speaker 24: a time. 641 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:42,839 Speaker 17: He treated her. 642 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,640 Speaker 24: The way that he treated her was inhuman. It is 643 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 24: so hard for me to even imagine the treatment that 644 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 24: she received. 645 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,240 Speaker 2: That is Haley's mom, Shanna Burns. 646 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 1: Hailey was found alive after being lured online from the school. 647 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 1: Kimp Sure found alive after being lured online. To John 648 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 1: and Jade, these are Aubrey's mom As stepdad, you believed 649 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,880 Speaker 1: you were doing everything possible to keep your daughter safe? 650 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 1: Would you agree, John? 651 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 4: Yes, I would agree, Nancy absolutely? 652 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 2: And what do you mean by that? What were you 653 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,400 Speaker 2: doing to keep her safe? Parents all over the country 654 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,879 Speaker 2: are listening to you right now? What were you doing 655 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 2: to keep Aubrey's safe? 656 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 4: Well, the first thing we did was we had a 657 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 4: very open and honest dialogue in our home. We didn't 658 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,600 Speaker 4: shy away from discussing the threats of these situations. And 659 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 4: then we follow the guidance of the professionals from the 660 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 4: medical community, and we have a structured home where we 661 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,919 Speaker 4: try to make sure that there's no devices laying around, 662 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,320 Speaker 4: there's no money laying around, there's not We spend a 663 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 4: lot of time together as a family, right. I think 664 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,279 Speaker 4: that's the most important thing we did, was try to 665 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,800 Speaker 4: make sure you were really bonding and connecting. 666 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 2: It's been six weeks with no sign of Aubrey. Where 667 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 2: is this little girl? Who did she meet online? 668 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:21,360 Speaker 1: The last known signing was at Panera Bread after nine pm. 669 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about Aubrey's whereabouts. 670 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:34,400 Speaker 1: Please help us while there's still time to save her. 671 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:40,040 Speaker 1: Six one zero seven five nine two two hundred repeat 672 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:46,600 Speaker 1: six one zero seven five nine two hundred. To Jade 673 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:51,800 Speaker 1: Aubrey's mom, what is your message to your daughter tonight? 674 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 17: Jade Aubrey, No matter who you encounter, what you've been through, 675 00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:04,400 Speaker 17: I'm here for you. I'm here for you always, yesterday, today, tomorrow. 676 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,640 Speaker 17: I miss you every second and I'm worried sick. If 677 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,480 Speaker 17: you are there, you can see this. Let me know 678 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 17: you are safe, and reach out and call nine one 679 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 17: one if you are in danger. 680 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:17,919 Speaker 3: I know you're a smart girl. 681 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,040 Speaker 4: You can't do this. I'm waiting for you. 682 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:21,480 Speaker 13: Just let me know. 683 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:26,680 Speaker 9: And if anything called nine one one, Please I wait 684 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,400 Speaker 9: for you to come home. I can't wait to see you, 685 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,640 Speaker 9: and I miss you so much every second I'm awake. 686 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,600 Speaker 1: Guys, please help us find Aubrey again. There is a 687 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,480 Speaker 1: chance to bring her home alive. 688 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:41,879 Speaker 18: That number. 689 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:48,080 Speaker 1: Six one zero seven five nine two two hundred. Nancy 690 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,719 Speaker 1: Gray signing off, goodbye friend,