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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark,

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Speaker 1: and there's Charles w Chuck Bryant. It's just the two

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Speaker 1: of us, kind of like old time soun Chuck sure,

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Speaker 1: and this is Stuff you should It's not the full

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Speaker 1: thing without Jerry. That's right. But you said you're Josh Clark,

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Speaker 1: don't you mean Josh Clerk. Yeah, that is what my

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Speaker 1: my name is from. It's one of the most boring

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Speaker 1: names you could have, but it is my last name.

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Speaker 1: And that's what we're talking about. I don't even know

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Speaker 1: my I mean, I know the like country of origin

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Speaker 1: and stuff for Bryant, but I don't really know. Like

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Speaker 1: this is one of those episodes where I was constantly going, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's where that came from. Oh, that's interesting, but I

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Speaker 1: didn't have anything for me. I have something for you, friend.

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Speaker 1: You got the origin of Bryant, No origin of Wayne. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's hear it. It denotes a driver or builder of wagons.

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Speaker 1: That's you, buddy in a nutshell, Well that was my surname. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I mean it still works for your middle name

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Speaker 1: is sound like it just loses all meaning when it

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Speaker 1: gets moved to the middle. Right, builder wagons, it's me

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Speaker 1: or driver. You could have been a driver to truck

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Speaker 1: wagon or or a double trouble a builder driver of wagons. Right.

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Speaker 1: So that's that's it. But we're not talking about middle names.

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Speaker 1: We're never really talking about first names. We're talking about surnames,

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Speaker 1: which if you've ever been confused about which one that is,

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Speaker 1: it's the last name, it's the family name. Yes, And

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Speaker 1: depending on where you live in the world, it might

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Speaker 1: come before your first name, it might come after it.

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Speaker 1: There might be a couple of surnames involved, there may

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Speaker 1: be a hyphen joining them. Um, there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: different things you can do with surnames. And like you,

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Speaker 1: I was like, okay, there's actually a lot of interesting

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Speaker 1: stuff to this, So good pick, and thanks to the

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Speaker 1: grabster for helping us out. Yeah, and you know Ed

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Speaker 1: it yet. But his last name is interesting because this

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Speaker 1: Polish and Polish names are generally interesting and how they're

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Speaker 1: and how they look on paper on the page and

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Speaker 1: are often changed. So we're just we're gonna float that

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Speaker 1: out there as a teaser. We're gonna be talking about

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Speaker 1: Ed's last name and speaking of being on paper. I

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Speaker 1: thought it was a polished name all this time. Glad

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Speaker 1: you said something first. Uh. The deal with surnames, though,

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Speaker 1: is they have been around a lot less long. That's

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Speaker 1: one way to say it than a given name or

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Speaker 1: a first name. Like first names, they came first, like

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Speaker 1: from the beginnings of people, like with Took Took. People

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Speaker 1: wanted to call each other things, and so people would

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Speaker 1: just give each other names. But surnames were invented much

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Speaker 1: much much later for reasons we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: kind of around Dish the eleventh century. Yeah, that's for

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Speaker 1: like England, Western Europe. Um. There were places where they

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Speaker 1: came along much earlier, like I think in China they've

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Speaker 1: been in use for three thousand years as far as

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Speaker 1: we can tell. And then in Rome there were different

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Speaker 1: naming conventions that had two names, sometimes three names, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's strange to think of, but naming somebody and like saying,

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Speaker 1: this stuff, So pick a surname. Yeah. It was almost

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Speaker 1: poop in my hair. It's not a joke. And then say,

424
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,959
Speaker 1: pull my finger, Emily, I probably should take back like

425
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: my little soapbox thing condemning toilet and low brow humor,

426
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,479
Speaker 1: because it is still kind of funny now that you

427
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 1: mentioned it. Yeah, I love it. I mean I like both.

428
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: I like a sharp wit and I like a fart joke,

429
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 1: all all at the same time. That chuck makes you

430
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 1: a renaissance man. Alright, good. Uh if you, Well, I

431
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: was trying to tie that into what I was about

432
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: to say next, but I really couldn't think of a

433
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 1: good last name for that. But um, if you Another

434
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: very common surname convention is if you were the son

435
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: or daughter of somebody and if John was your dad,

436
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: you would be Johnson or Smithson. Uh. Sometimes it was

437
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: even more basic than that, like if your name was

438
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 1: It gives the example of someone named Martin and then

439
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: as some named George, they might just take the dad's

440
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: name and be George Martin. Right. Uh. And that's typically

441
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: especially in Western Europe in the UK. Um, that's it's

442
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 1: it took the father's lineage. So it's patronymic. Is that

443
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: kind of naming convention, And there is such a thing

444
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: as matronymic naming conventions. It's just much rarer in h

445
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: in our cultures. Um, but it does happen, Like Marriott

446
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 1: means a child of Mary. Um. Yeah, so it happens

447
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: from time to time. It's just much less common. Um.

448
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: But that is a like you said, it's a very

449
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 1: common thing to name to take a relative's name, and

450
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: it happens in It's a bunch of different ways um

451
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: and a good example of how how you know different

452
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: it can be as in Icelandic culture to where um,

453
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: if you're a son, say you're the son of Eric

454
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: um you of course yeah, um, your your last name

455
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: would be eric Son if you were a son, if

456
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: you were a daughter, you would be Eric's daughter. So

457
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: Eric has a son and a daughter, and they're both

458
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 1: his son and daughter, but they have two different last names.

459
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: And the reason why Iceland is not catching fire and

460
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: people are running all over the place and confusion is

461
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: because they don't really care as much about last names. Yeah,

462
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: this is kind of cool because Ed brought up b

463
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: York and she doesn't just go by B York to

464
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: be like Madonna. B York goes by BI York because

465
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: in Icelandic culture, the surname just isn't that big of

466
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 1: a deal. Uh. And so I looked up her surname

467
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: and be York's surname is actually and I'm going to

468
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: mispronounce this because I have no idea about Icelandic stuff,

469
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: but is it's Guman's daughter, which is of course d

470
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: O T T I R. Because her father was Gumander Goonerson.

471
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 1: That's a great which means that his father was named Gooner, right,

472
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 1: so it's sort of this weird flip as you go back.

473
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: It's like almost like a little puzzle, a little Icelandic puzzle.

474
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: It is. It's pretty cool. And then also in a

475
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: stroke of awesomeness, um, Iceland has also come up with

476
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:24,959
Speaker 1: a third uh, a third name for non binary gendered people, Um,

477
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: who don't go by son or daughter, they go by Burr.

478
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: So it would be Eric Burr. That's right, and that

479
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 1: you know, that's the thing now with especially with hyphen nations.

480
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: We'll get to why you might change your name, but um,

481
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: you know, one of the sort of I feel like

482
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: it's kind of antiquated, but one of the things that

483
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: we do here in the West sometimes is a woman

484
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: that might take her husband's last name or they might

485
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: hyphenate it. But with uh, you know, non binary parents

486
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: or gay parents, sometimes they will hyphenate their last name,

487
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: which you know, apparently can present a little bit of

488
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: the conflict sometimes in that there uh struggle too, I

489
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: guess have a non traditional family but also sort of

490
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: try and fit in with a more traditional naming convention. Yeah,

491
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: which I had never considered, And that's sad. That that

492
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: is even a question, but it makes sense in a

493
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: sad kind of way. Go Iceland, now, huh yeah. And

494
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: then also, um, we really shouldn't leave our Arab cultures

495
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: who use Ibben first son of or if the name

496
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: Ibben comes in the middle of the name, maybe been

497
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: or Bent as daughter of, and it usually can go

498
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: back a couple of generations, sometimes three, which explains why

499
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: there's a lot of ebbins or bins um followed by

500
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: other names in somebody's full name from Arab cultures. That's right.

501
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: Or Ed gives a great example of Saddam Hussein was

502
00:29:53,760 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: Saddam Hussein abdal Magid al tecret and Saddam would be

503
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: the given name there, Hussein would be the father's name.

504
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: Abdol Mageed is grandfather's name. Then al Tecredi is where

505
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: he grew up. So that's sort of a a mesh

506
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: of topic or not topographic. I guess, uh what do

507
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: we call the geographic? Yeah, toponymic and then the patriarchal

508
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: and everything's just sort of matched together and with his grandfather.

509
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: Will you want to take another break and then come

510
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: back and talk more about I don't know surnames. Sure, Okay,

511
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna do that. Everybody sit tight, sk uh. So

512
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: one thing we didn't cover with um the uk uh.

513
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: We got to cover the max oh yeah, and the

514
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: the A P S. So, if you were Irish or Scottish,

515
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: the prefix mac would what would mean son of So

516
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: if your name was Dougal and you had a son

517
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: named John, you would be John MacDougal. Or in the

518
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: case of being from Wales, they use a P to

519
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: mean son of so. And this is kind of interesting

520
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: because it gets truncated along the way. So ap Rice

521
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: r h y s would be son of Rice, but

522
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: then over time that gets truncated and the ap just

523
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: becomes a P. So the name price originally can vary. Well,

524
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,719
Speaker 1: it's hard to say like in all cases obviously, but

525
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: I could have very well been like the son of Rice, yeah,

526
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: or Reese. So it could also be the last name priest.

527
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: That don't sound right right, We're going with Rice instead

528
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: and then Chuck. So uh. We talked a little bit

529
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: about changing names, and there's all sorts of reasons people

530
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: change names. There's also a lot of reasons people take

531
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: on names. Again, sometimes it's decreed by law. Apparently there

532
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: was a law during the Austro Hungarian Empire that you

533
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: needed a last name, and so there was a kind

534
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: of a custom or a trend you could almost say,

535
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: among Jewish people who lived in that area or under

536
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: Austro Hungarian rule, UM to kind of take names from nature,

537
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: like Tannenbaum or Rosen meaning fir tree or rose um.

538
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: And that's where a lot of the more common Jewish

539
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: names come from that have a kind of a Germanic

540
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: tone to them. And then also there was a big UM,

541
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: there's a big conundrum, ra I guess the decision that

542
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: faced UM freed enslaved people after the Emancipatent Proclamation then

543
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: later on juneteenth UM, because they didn't actually have surnames

544
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: at the time, especially if they'd you know been you know, second, third, fourth,

545
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: fifth generation American. Um, they might not have a surname

546
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: at all, That's right. And so in many cases, uh,

547
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:15,719
Speaker 1: they were given or sometimes chosen uh, the name of

548
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: the person who enslaved them, which obviously, as generations went on,

549
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: that doesn't sit as well. Uh. And so a lot

550
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: of times, if you're African American, you may change your

551
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: name later on, UM, Like you know, many generations later

552
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: to sort of shed yourself of that enslaved name. And

553
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: then probably the most common reason, especially in the West,

554
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: that people um changed their names is through marriage, which

555
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: has evolved over time. You know. Traditionally it was the

556
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: wife took the husband's last name, shed her own, you know,

557
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: maiden name, maybe moved it to her middle name UH,

558
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: and then that was it UM. And then over time

559
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: there's there's been kind of like this uh um push

560
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: against just being completely subsumed by their husband's identity UM.

561
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: And that introduced the uh, the hyphenated last name into

562
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: Western culture, which again it's like if you go to Spain,

563
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: they've been doing that for a very long time, so

564
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 1: much so that like um, you know, the children will

565
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: actually have both of their parents last names, father's first

566
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: hyphened mother's second. And that's that's been going on. It's

567
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: called dosa politos um. But in here, in like the West,

568
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: I should say in the United States, because I guess

569
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: Spain would technically be the West. UM. That's becoming more

570
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: and more common, but it's still fairly new if you

571
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: think about it. I mean, I don't remember people hyphenating

572
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: their names very commonly before, like the eighties or nineties,

573
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, I mean, I'm sure it happened,

574
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: but it seems like it definitely caught on. Um. You

575
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: know obviously was sort of in lockstep with the women's

576
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: liberation movement. Yeah, they called it the flash dance effect. Uh,

577
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: it's you know, there's there's no wrong way to do it.

578
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 1: People should do what they want to do. I never

579
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: wanted or expected Emily to change her name because she's

580
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: just She's got a great last name and that's who

581
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: she is. And I never I just thought, I don't know,

582
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: it seemed outdated to me, but there there is no

583
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: right or wrong way. And eventually years later, Um, I

584
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: think it was probably lined up. When my daughter came along,

585
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: she ended up going with a hyphen it. Uh. And

586
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: then you know our very good friend and friend of

587
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: the show who played Jerry on the Stuff You Should

588
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: Know TV show, Uh, Lucy waynewright Roach, that is a

589
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: hyphen it because her father is Loud and Wayne Wright

590
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 1: and her mother is says he Roach, and so she

591
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: went with a hyphen it. Yeah. Apparently there's a famous

592
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: um bass player for Jethro toll Um. I had not

593
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: heard of this. Dude had you did you know had

594
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: had not? So his first name is Jeffrey. Will call

595
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 1: him that for the moment. But both of his parents

596
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 1: UM had the last name of Hammond. Yeah, they weren't related.

597
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: UM just by him playing bass for Jethro Toll and Um.

598
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: He wanted to honor both of them, so he took

599
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: the last name Jeffrey Hammond Hammond with the hyphen in

600
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: between him. Yeah, it's pretty funny. Yep, good job, Jeffrey.

601
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: I know that's pretty great. He got a great story.

602
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 1: Everywhere he goes. Intelligent humor, that's right. Yeah, you think, uh,

603
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: somebody who went to a Shakespeare play would get that

604
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: now be totally lost on him. One of the myths

605
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: we can kind of bust, although I'm sure it happens

606
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 1: some was this notion that if you came through Ellis

607
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: Island you were just given whatever name the person at

608
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: immigration on Ellis Island felt like filling out, or if

609
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: they wanted to shorten it, they shortened it, or if

610
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 1: they want to get rid of some of the hyphens,

611
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: they get rid of the hyphens. Apparently, I'm sure that

612
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: did happen some, but ung angle man, I could never

613
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: say say this Anglish sizing. He nailed it. Yeah, Anglicized

614
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: did not happen to the extent that people think it

615
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: did on Ellis Island. And many times it was the

616
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: people themselves that new country, new start wanted to fit

617
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: in that would um drop the apostrophe from Darcy and

618
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Yeah, and I saw that, if anything,

619
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: um Ellis Island Uh immigration officers were more prone to

620
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: actually correct mistakes and spelling errors that some shipping clerk

621
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: over in Europe had made on the ship's manifest Um.

622
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: Most of them spoke multiple languages, and we're you know,

623
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: pretty familiar with what you know. There's a finite number

624
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: of last names, and so if you see one with

625
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: the you know, the the name misspelled, they probably corrected it.

626
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: So it's kind of yeah, it's like the opposite of

627
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: the myth that you have. Yeah. Another thing that people

628
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: have done to make it maybe just a little bit

629
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: easier on everybody else in themselves is to, uh, if

630
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 1: they have a name that's um kind of a lot

631
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: of consonants in it, let's say, yeah, we're looking at

632
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 1: you Slavic countries, is to phonetically spell it out uh

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Speaker 1: and eds like a tease. At the beginning, Ed's last

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Speaker 1: name is we always calling the Grabsters Grabnowski, and he

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Speaker 1: lives in the region where there are a lot of

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Speaker 1: Polish people still living there. And he says that he

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Speaker 1: has never seen another Grabowski, but he does see Grabowski's

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Speaker 1: or Grabski's. Yep, no Grabsters. No, we're trying to make

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Speaker 1: it happen though, aren't we. Yeah, my friend Paul's last

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Speaker 1: name is Waslow, but it is not spelled w A

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Speaker 1: z l o W. I can't even remember how how

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Speaker 1: it's spelled. But it's not intuitive. But he held onto

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Speaker 1: it and he didn't he didn't change it phonetically for Paul,

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Speaker 1: sticking into the man Paul's family. Yes, that's right. Have

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Speaker 1: you got anything else? I am looking here? Do we

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Speaker 1: have anything else? Not? Really, nothing of any great interest

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Speaker 1: if you ask me. Now, I think this is good stuff.

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Speaker 1: I think it's it's cool. People should check it like.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to hear some stories from listeners, or maybe

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Speaker 1: do a little research into your own name and where

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Speaker 1: it might have come from, because there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: interesting stories out there. I'd love to hear more. Yeah. Also, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: by the way, your last name denotes somebody who used

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Speaker 1: to live by a hill in the Celtic era. Oh really, Bryant, Yes,

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Speaker 1: derived from Brionne Hill. People pronounced Briony in northern France,

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Speaker 1: so you're a Frenchy Chuck. Interesting, Yeah, pretty cool? Yeah

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Speaker 1: dat Atlanta. Well, since Chuck said ha ha, of course,

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Speaker 1: that means it's time for a listener mail. All right,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this uh choir math and I should

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Speaker 1: say that uh Lyle here had a lot of consternation

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Speaker 1: after Lyle sent this email about because Lyle is a

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Speaker 1: math person and I think a math teacher about how

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Speaker 1: Lyle chose to express this so much so that almost

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Speaker 1: didn't read ex didn't want to call his Lyle any stress.

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Speaker 1: But I'm gonna read it anyway. And this is about

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Speaker 1: the church choir coincidence. Uh. When we said one in

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Speaker 1: a million, he said, did you guys calculate that yourself?

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Speaker 1: Guessing you repeated it from something else? Because unless I'm

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Speaker 1: missing something, one out of one million is crazy wrong.

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Speaker 1: Using the assumptions you stated for two reasons, here we go.

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Speaker 1: If there are fifteen members and each had a one

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Speaker 1: quarter chance of being late, the probabilities were equal and independent,

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Speaker 1: so it was like rolling fifteen four sided dice. Uh,

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Speaker 1: that would be roughly a one in a billion chance

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Speaker 1: and number two point two. Even the calculation in one

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Speaker 1: completely fails to capture what you seem to want to

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Speaker 1: express the chance of something like this happening, i e.

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Speaker 1: The simultaneous choire lateness coinciding with the explosion. That would

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Speaker 1: be trickier to work out. The simplest way to calculate

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Speaker 1: it would be to decide on the chance of a

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Speaker 1: nineteen fifty Nebraska church blowing up on a given night

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Speaker 1: and multiply that by the one in a billion chance above.

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Speaker 1: So basically it sounds like we did half of the

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Speaker 1: equation and didn't even do that half. Right, No, that

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Speaker 1: sounds like us. So he says, you know, did churches

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Speaker 1: blow off and blow up off in nineteen fifty Nebraska.

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Speaker 1: But see, you could also say a building blowing up

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Speaker 1: or a building killing somebody. Like, I don't know where

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Speaker 1: you draw the line because I'm not a math person

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Speaker 1: or how you would quantify that. I would think you'd

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Speaker 1: need to go with churches just to compare apple to apples.

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Speaker 1: And then also, you know, not every building is going

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Speaker 1: to invite people into it at seven pm on a

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Speaker 1: night or something so good point and then actually goes

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Speaker 1: on to to say it's easy to get overly dazzled

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Speaker 1: doing calculations like these, And I think that's what we

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Speaker 1: are now, is overly dazzled dazzled. The more specifically described

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Speaker 1: have any event or collection of events, the more astronomically

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Speaker 1: unlikely it becomes. Uh, I e. The chance of my

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Speaker 1: spaghetti being in this exact configuration or mind bogglingly low. Uh,

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Speaker 1: pretty amazing story still, and that is from Lyle. That

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Speaker 1: is classic Lyle, always slipping a spaghetti reference into his emails.

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Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, that is interesting to think about though, Like,

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Speaker 1: depending on how far you want to drill down you

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Speaker 1: can you know, it gets a little nutty totally. But

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Speaker 1: I like his calculations even better than ours. One in

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Speaker 1: a million chance kind of dazzling one in a billion chance.

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Speaker 1: And that's just step one. That's I got stars in

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Speaker 1: my eyes basically. Wow. Well thanks a lot, Lyle. I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry for driving you a little bit crazy. Uh. We

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Speaker 1: are glad that you could take the time to explain

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Speaker 1: to us, um what we got wrong and not call

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Speaker 1: us stupid in the in the bargain. Thank you. If

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Speaker 1: you want to be like Lyle and get in touch

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