Speaker 1: My babysat herd kids with my kids. What does that
Speaker 1: make you feel like? Now? What runs to your head?
Speaker 1: Sometimes I feel like a bad mom because I opened
Speaker 1: my family up, and you know, I kind of invited
Speaker 1: the devil into the den. The scams of c p A.
Speaker 1: Lizzie Mulder cost forensic accountant Jen Rodriguez's boss millions, and
Speaker 1: I literally almost vomited, like vomited. Then suddenly Jen gets
Speaker 1: drafted and Detective Jordan morackians increasingly expanding criminal case against
Speaker 1: Lizzie Mulder, and God knows he needs all the help
Speaker 1: he can get. I didn't get very much support from
Speaker 1: my department. Why they run a business, and their business
Speaker 1: is the entire community, not just this one victim, right,
Speaker 1: And I kept trying to explain to my command staff,
Speaker 1: this is bigger than Laguna. The problem is only one
Speaker 1: victim complains to Laguna BEACHPD about Lizzie Mulder. The other
Speaker 1: victims complain in nearby cities like San Clementi, Irvine, and
Speaker 1: Newport Beach, which involved entirely different police jurisdictions, And the
Speaker 1: higher ups at Laguna Beach p D really couldn't care
Speaker 1: less because it's not there a problem. But then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, in the middle of everything, a huge
Speaker 1: break and Detective Iraqian's case comes out of nowhere. I'm
Speaker 1: walking out of the station and in walks Jesse Moulder.
Speaker 1: I need to talk to a detective. Wow, I mean literally,
Speaker 1: like just like that. I look at him. I'm a detective.
Speaker 1: How can I help you? And he says, I'm a
Speaker 1: firefighter and I think my wife is scamming her clients
Speaker 1: out of money, and I'm afraid that she's got me
Speaker 1: involved in it. All right, let's talk. So Jesse sits
Speaker 1: down with me. He tells me how he's a brand
Speaker 1: new firefighter in the city of Orange. He's married to
Speaker 1: a woman named Elizabeth, and she's an accountant. I came
Speaker 1: home because I thought was cheating on me. I started
Speaker 1: going through the mail and I found all these bills
Speaker 1: for all these different people and all these credit cards,
Speaker 1: and I think she's scamming people out of millions of dollars.
Speaker 1: And I said, well, what's your wife's name? And he
Speaker 1: goes Elizabeth Mulder, but she goes by Lizzie. I'm Jonathan
Speaker 1: Walton and this is Queen of the con The O
Speaker 1: C Savior episode six, he said, she said, we live
Speaker 1: in Orange, so I would go down to the Circle.
Speaker 1: Have you ever been there? The Circle? Now? What's that?
Speaker 1: To the Orange Circle? Orange Circle? It's beautiful. There's a
Speaker 1: fountain in the middle. There's a roundabout and a bunch
Speaker 1: of old antique shops and a bunch of nice restaurants
Speaker 1: in there. Anyway, I saw Jesse one day down there,
Speaker 1: dogging with some of the firefighters. He saw me. I
Speaker 1: saw him. We made eye contact, and that was that,
Speaker 1: and he acknowledged you. No, No, he's not going to
Speaker 1: acknowledge me. He knows how I feel about Jesse. Mulder
Speaker 1: walks into the Laguna Beach Police Department in May. He
Speaker 1: tells Detective Iraqian that Lizzie is cheating on him, and
Speaker 1: there's talk that her paramore is an Orange County cowboy
Speaker 1: named Joe Love. More on that later, but Jesse also
Speaker 1: says Lizzie is cheating her clients too, out of millions
Speaker 1: of dollars. So Lizzie's husband starts helping Detective Mirackian gather
Speaker 1: evidence against his wife. Jesse shows me kind of a
Speaker 1: haphazard stack of mail, and he agrees not to let
Speaker 1: his con artist wife know police are investigating her. Jesse
Speaker 1: swears he has nothing to do with it, and Detective
Speaker 1: Mirakian believes him. But as the days passed, the detective
Speaker 1: starts to see things a little differently. I can't prove it,
Speaker 1: but I think Jesse played me. I think the day
Speaker 1: Jesse came in to report his wife, I think that
Speaker 1: was all part of an orchestrated plan to get the
Speaker 1: detective on my side, and that way, if they do
Speaker 1: go after Lizzie, I've got my quote unquote informant Jesse Moulder,
Speaker 1: who's a firefighter. Were a cop, firefighter, We trust each other,
Speaker 1: and so early on in the case, I was feeding
Speaker 1: Jesse information and I was doing it because I didn't
Speaker 1: want his kids to get dragged into a search warrant.
Speaker 1: And he burned me. And he burned me by wiping
Speaker 1: her phone. He wiped her phone when we executed the
Speaker 1: search warrant because he knew it was coming. Yes, that
Speaker 1: is a direct contradiction and to his action in the
Speaker 1: first place, going into report his wife. Why would the
Speaker 1: same man go into report his wife stealing all this
Speaker 1: money from people, then white her phone to hide the evidence.
Speaker 1: I think she charmed him. You don't think he was
Speaker 1: like in on the scam and wanted to benefit from it.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say that he was in on
Speaker 1: the scam, but what I do want to say is
Speaker 1: I think at some point he's looking at the woman
Speaker 1: he married that he loves, the mother of his kids,
Speaker 1: and she's telling him, Jesse, if you cooperate with Laguna BEACHPD,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to jail forever and the kids aren't
Speaker 1: going to have their mother. We're gonna lose this house,
Speaker 1: and our whole lives are gonna be over. And I
Speaker 1: think as time went on, he started to really look
Speaker 1: at a scenario where he was going to be a
Speaker 1: single dad, and it's scared him. I mean, he was
Speaker 1: calling me for advice on you know, I divorced. I'm
Speaker 1: married now, but I divorced prior, and he was talking
Speaker 1: to me like, you know, were you able to find
Speaker 1: someone at thirty four years old? Pana. It's just like, dude,
Speaker 1: that's not what this is. Like. Yeah, I'm a detective, right,
Speaker 1: we're not BFFs. Shortly after Jesse first walks into Laguna
Speaker 1: Beach p D to report his wife, Detective Iraqian executes
Speaker 1: a search warrant at the Mulder's Laguna Beach home and
Speaker 1: confiscates computers, documents, and cell phones. Then days later, in
Speaker 1: a truly bizarre turn of events, Lizzie Maulder inexplicably shows
Speaker 1: up out of nowhere and ambushes the detective. How the
Speaker 1: hell did that happen? That happened when I met up
Speaker 1: with Jesse at Bluebird Park and Lizzie showed up quote unquote,
Speaker 1: just showed up. Happened to be in the neighborhood. Lizzie
Speaker 1: wants to talk to Detective Iraqi about the case right
Speaker 1: there in the park, but the detective explains that's not
Speaker 1: how things work. If she wants to talk to him
Speaker 1: in her capacity as a suspect and his capacity as
Speaker 1: an officer of the law, it's got to be official,
Speaker 1: and it's got to happen at the police station. Detective
Speaker 1: Iraqi assures her she will not be arrested if she
Speaker 1: comes with him to the station to talk. So Lizzie
Speaker 1: agreed to come down to the station and talk to me.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised she said yes. And why did she say yes?
Speaker 1: Because she's an egomaniac. She thinks she's smarter than you.
Speaker 1: They always think I'm gonna charm this guy or gal
Speaker 1: and make them think I mean. It happens on traffic
Speaker 1: stops a thousand times a day to us. Do you
Speaker 1: know why I stopped? Do you know? I don't? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You do? Yeah, you're going, yeah, you do? You know.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. You know. I just found out my uncle
Speaker 1: has COVID and he's coughing and I need to go
Speaker 1: to his house. It's like, no, you're not. Can I
Speaker 1: call your uncle? And the lie crumbles. We're professional bullshit detectors,
Speaker 1: like we got lied to all the time, and it's
Speaker 1: about to happen again. Normally, police have to call a
Speaker 1: suspect and sometimes even beg a suspect to come down
Speaker 1: to the station for an interview, and normally the attorney
Speaker 1: says hell no. But Lizzie throws Detective Iraqian a curve
Speaker 1: ball by just showing up out of the blue. He's
Speaker 1: not prepared to interview his suspect yet. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, as a detective, that's a golden opportunity. You
Speaker 1: want to talk to them. You want to bring him out,
Speaker 1: bring him quickly as you can and get something. The
Speaker 1: truth is, the day I sat down with Lizzie Molder
Speaker 1: for her interview. I didn't know anything. I just I
Speaker 1: pretended like I knew everything. I wasn't prepared. I wasn't
Speaker 1: even in uniform or even in my suit and tie.
Speaker 1: I just had a shirt and slacks on. So I
Speaker 1: ran into the office. I saw the records clerk. I said,
Speaker 1: give me four or five boxes, and she goes, what four?
Speaker 1: I said, just give me some boxes, and I wrote
Speaker 1: Molder on the outside of the boxes, and I stacked
Speaker 1: them up in the interview room and grabbed a bunch
Speaker 1: of miscellaneous files from our records clerk and threw them
Speaker 1: in the boxes. And I would just as I'm talking
Speaker 1: to her, I could see her looking over my shoulder
Speaker 1: at these boxes, and I wanted her to think that
Speaker 1: I already knew everything was brilliant. You know, it's an
Speaker 1: old trick, and I just wanted her to think that
Speaker 1: we were already a couple of steps ahead of her.
Speaker 1: He's actually not a couple of steps ahead of her,
Speaker 1: not yet anyway, But that's all about to change, and
Speaker 1: thank god. Detective Miraqian records his entire conversation with Lizzie
Speaker 1: Maulder on MA at six fifty PM. Say what you
Speaker 1: will about Lizzie Maulder. She does not go gentle into
Speaker 1: that good night cash flow, wait for the next payment.
Speaker 1: So when I take a payment her right out of
Speaker 1: the gate, she tries to explain away her elaborate series
Speaker 1: of cons as innocent misrepresentations. Yeah, that's how the fool
Speaker 1: thing started, and not if I could put more money
Speaker 1: through my baby account, I could show you were trying
Speaker 1: to employ the mercy to buy that house. That was
Speaker 1: the least option to buy. It's a last option to buy.
Speaker 1: That explained that it certainly does, meaning the two and
Speaker 1: a half million dollar Laguna Beach home overlooking the Pacific
Speaker 1: Ocean that Lizzie brags to everyone she owns and belittle's
Speaker 1: friends like Jen Rodriguez for being quote renters. Oh, John,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry you rent. Oh she said that to you.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she would say that often. Well, Lizzie is
Speaker 1: actually renting too. And this revelation rubs print shop owner
Speaker 1: Mike Cochrane the wrong way and adds more weight to
Speaker 1: the theory that Lizzie's husband, Jesse, might not be as
Speaker 1: innocent as he appears to be. Her husband said he
Speaker 1: was not a collaborator. That's a freaking joke. Okay. We
Speaker 1: went on a tour of their house. We went neate
Speaker 1: dinner at him, and they told us about the new
Speaker 1: house that they bought in Laguna Beach and how they
Speaker 1: were renovating it and all this stuff, and they were exciting.
Speaker 1: We walked around and patted him on the back. While
Speaker 1: pretending to be a Laguna Beach homeowner is not a
Speaker 1: crime in and of itself. Lizzie definitely uses the facade
Speaker 1: of owning that home to trick her victims into believing
Speaker 1: she's a successful c p A. Remember what Salon owner
Speaker 1: Geneva Mendoza said back in episode one, Lauren set up
Speaker 1: an appointment with her at her home office in Laguna
Speaker 1: and she had this really great front office with ocean views. Beautiful.
Speaker 1: That was Lizzie using her home as bait, and now
Speaker 1: she's trying to explain it away to Detective Miraqian with
Speaker 1: verbal gymnastics. Kinda liar, But I'm a liar because I
Speaker 1: don't want to come to grips with what's really happy.
Speaker 1: I just want to keep everything over. You're not lying
Speaker 1: to me right now, you know I'm not lying to well,
Speaker 1: you know what I told her, the part you're not
Speaker 1: under arrest. I'm not gonna arrest you today. I'm not
Speaker 1: here to arrest you, okay. I'm here to find out
Speaker 1: the truth. I want to know why. You know, I
Speaker 1: know what happened for the most part, but you kept
Speaker 1: saying that's not what you think. And I've heard that before.
Speaker 1: Remember when Lizzie's husband, Jesse, gives her a heads up
Speaker 1: about an impending search warrant which is supposed to be
Speaker 1: a surprise, and then he deletes the contents of her
Speaker 1: cell phone before police arrive. Well, that's all just a misunderstanding.
Speaker 1: According to Lizzie, Jesse is actually trying to cut back
Speaker 1: on expenses and just getting rid of Lizzie's cell phone
Speaker 1: to save money makes perfect sense, right. The whole thing
Speaker 1: with Jesse and the phone, it wasn't calculated. Jetsie's just
Speaker 1: doesn't make enough money and he's freaking out on the Well,
Speaker 1: they made you do that when we I swear Lizzie
Speaker 1: Mulder has answers for everything, even when they make zero sense.
Speaker 1: On the phone, everything that's accounts to come back, pictures,
Speaker 1: text message, emails and called it. That's why I like
Speaker 1: it was Tom Jessie. You know when the search warns
Speaker 1: come back to the evidence is there? Yeah? The first scam.
Speaker 1: Detective Iraqian eviscerates early on in the conversation, throws everything
Speaker 1: Lizzie's ever told anyone about herself into question. You're never
Speaker 1: return I just want you how did you end up
Speaker 1: a pepodyne you've ever done? Yeah? I want to quest
Speaker 1: to college. This is huge. The very foundation Lizzie mulder
Speaker 1: lais to gain entry into all her victims businesses. By
Speaker 1: Lizzie's own admission is a lie. She's not a c
Speaker 1: p A, even though she tricks everyone into believing she is.
Speaker 1: And she never went to Pepperdine. So that degree she
Speaker 1: has hanging in her office indicating she did is a fake,
Speaker 1: just like detective Morackians strategically placed evidence boxes. Those boxes,
Speaker 1: that's the same con you did on her her Pepperdine
Speaker 1: University degree. Those are your boxes. That's the same thing.
Speaker 1: You're like, it's a prop to make people believe A
Speaker 1: when B is true. God, So yeah, out con the con? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because she probably thought, fuck, they have six seven boxes
Speaker 1: about me, like they have a case and they caned
Speaker 1: me at first dizzy they played me. And when I
Speaker 1: found out that I got played aid, the gloves are off.
Speaker 1: This is my priority. Detective Miracian is already well aware.
Speaker 1: Lizzie stolen nearly three hundred thousand dollars from j Avery's company,
Speaker 1: Jack Wines, using her bogus income tax payment bank account
Speaker 1: scam and fabricating an investor named Brent Harrison who tricks
Speaker 1: j into believing he's gonna pump millions of dollars into
Speaker 1: Jack Wines, motivating Jay to spend a fortune getting his
Speaker 1: company ready for that investment. I wrote a search warrant
Speaker 1: for your account, so I feel the way the layers
Speaker 1: and started figuring out who Bred Harrison wasn't and who
Speaker 1: he was, and the investors in China, and all the
Speaker 1: things that went into Jack Wines at all pointed back
Speaker 1: to you. We have chanted income tax payments dating back
Speaker 1: to income tax payment. I would paint myself because I
Speaker 1: was doing everything, and then we're investor is in China,
Speaker 1: and I met them at there was Carleton, and I
Speaker 1: fluted Seattle's trying to anything. There's no bread here. Jay
Speaker 1: was such a liability that I created that, and I
Speaker 1: had been doing that for a long time because I
Speaker 1: don't know how to just tell people your liability. I
Speaker 1: have a problem that way. And maybe because I've never
Speaker 1: been on medication. Maybe it's because my umbray. I don't
Speaker 1: know what it's from. But I had no every time
Speaker 1: he called it because I couldn't manage him j Yeah,
Speaker 1: when he was addictive of pills. And yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: he's dead on and off forever. And that's the thing,
Speaker 1: like we, Jay couldn't find it anymore. I couldn't make
Speaker 1: it money. I loved him all the wine. I didn't
Speaker 1: take any of it, and he hasn't all the assets
Speaker 1: of it. I didn't sell it from my own being
Speaker 1: or anything. So bread Harrison, there's no right couple person
Speaker 1: in the line trust. So you created all those invoices?
Speaker 1: Then I've never Yeah, there were invoices sent from you
Speaker 1: to Jay Gambury from different businesses for payments. Was that
Speaker 1: someone else or was that you? I don't know. I
Speaker 1: never created invoices, So I created emails. Okay, okay? So
Speaker 1: you created the brand, Harrison, Yes, And why didn't you
Speaker 1: do that? I started that right after he lost Indians.
Speaker 1: Who are these that you're talking about? You were pretty
Speaker 1: close to making this deal cup Room. And the deal
Speaker 1: was for to sell all their wine directs, all indie pasinos.
Speaker 1: Because I was really cool. Ad and James flew out too.
Speaker 1: I think it was Kentucky and Tennessee and that's the
Speaker 1: whole thing up. And how did he do that? He
Speaker 1: would drunken high And at the moment after that, I said,
Speaker 1: I have to keep him and gave it with somebody
Speaker 1: that's not real so I can take over. So you
Speaker 1: created Brent Harrison, there's a way to keep coming to
Speaker 1: Muntating for what purpose? I wanted to sell the company.
Speaker 1: I was hoping that we could sell the company for
Speaker 1: a couple of million dollars. We had a nice label,
Speaker 1: we had some really good point. While I was trying
Speaker 1: really hard to get it sold, there's a guy named
Speaker 1: Johnny that I thought I was gonna be it and
Speaker 1: I he was gonna import to China, and I did
Speaker 1: all a cheaper work for the important export of pitches
Speaker 1: fell apart, and on this last October I thought he
Speaker 1: was clean and I was going to let him come
Speaker 1: to Seattle. I was gonna bring him to Chatau, San
Speaker 1: Michell and Chatta. That's just been aim of the winery.
Speaker 1: I told him here's the goal, which here's what we're
Speaker 1: looking for, really cheap dollar twenty five dollars seventy five
Speaker 1: export to China. I can't bring gay and five people.
Speaker 1: Goodness people. He's liability, he's a financer, but he's not
Speaker 1: the voice. He's not the person you wanted the face
Speaker 1: of the cake. Hiring me this bookkeeper and then look,
Speaker 1: I just took over, just like I hear with everybody
Speaker 1: that I'm smart, I can do stuf, and I end
Speaker 1: up doing every single thing. And it's so stupid of me.
Speaker 1: But all the checks they wrote up to Lizzie Mulder,
Speaker 1: he said, you need to pay yourself. We're all those
Speaker 1: checks like Mulder Financials and Gulpion, the MSc. That's so
Speaker 1: that we talked about. And you know, of course he's
Speaker 1: not gonna tell Marma. There's the point that long before
Speaker 1: Marma has been involved and pitches that he said, she said,
Speaker 1: he just wanted over. You know. So Lizzy, in a
Speaker 1: very matter of fact kind of way, is trying to
Speaker 1: explain all the money she steals from Jack Wines as
Speaker 1: a he said, she said, Jay is just a crazy
Speaker 1: drug addict. So she's forced to invent the Brent Harrison
Speaker 1: character to keep Jake calm while she tried is to
Speaker 1: sell his company. It's for his own good. She just
Speaker 1: wants to help him. I reach out to Jay to
Speaker 1: get his reaction to Lizzie's explanation what she said in
Speaker 1: that interview. Some of what she said was that she
Speaker 1: created Brent Harrison to help you, to help me. Uh funny,
Speaker 1: help me because she said you were so crazy because
Speaker 1: of your drug addiction and carrying on that she was
Speaker 1: trying to pacify you so she could use Brent Harrison
Speaker 1: to keep you, know, giving you comfort in some way,
Speaker 1: while she could hopefully sell your company for a couple
Speaker 1: of million dollars and get you that money to help you. Yeah. Man,
Speaker 1: that kind of blows my mind that she would say
Speaker 1: that because there wasn't much that she did besides still
Speaker 1: and me and Alex, who was my partner. We were
Speaker 1: handling everything. I was doing all out of the sales.
Speaker 1: He was making the wine he hits themselves. Um, but
Speaker 1: the drug addiction wasn't affecting my business to the point
Speaker 1: where I was a highly functioning drug addict. Highly functioning
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, if she wasn't in my life. There's
Speaker 1: a very strong chance that Jack Lyns would still be
Speaker 1: up and doing well, potentially thriving. She was more detrimental
Speaker 1: and than anything else. So her whole thing is as
Speaker 1: full of ship. Detective Iraqian isn't buying what was he
Speaker 1: saying either. But your role agreeing for Harrison email was
Speaker 1: to sell linery, like basically to keep the business afloat.
Speaker 1: And Nick Jay is not a liability. I have pages
Speaker 1: of text messages, pages of emails between you and Jack
Speaker 1: and he would say something like just got off the
Speaker 1: phone with friend Harrison and they're ready to move on
Speaker 1: the next ship, but they need twenty dollars in the
Speaker 1: well star. And I hope Johnny was actually the guy
Speaker 1: who we were doing. Wanted to try um I forgot
Speaker 1: his last name, of course she did. And you know
Speaker 1: all that money, Detective Iraqian fines and Lizzie's bank accounts
Speaker 1: from Jack Wines is just her salary that Jay told
Speaker 1: her to take. I would never consider a delement. I
Speaker 1: consider paying my help because I was the only one.
Speaker 1: If you asked, Ja, what were you doing for the company?
Speaker 1: What were But how does Lizzie really expect seasoned detective
Speaker 1: like Jordan Mirakian, let alone anyone else to believe all
Speaker 1: this stuff. She had a lot of success tricking people, right,
Speaker 1: and so if I tricked all these people, they trusted me,
Speaker 1: they opened their bank accounts. I ripped them off. I
Speaker 1: can fool this detective too. Former FBI criminal profiler and
Speaker 1: hosted the podcast Killer Psyche Candice DeLong said, is Lizzie
Speaker 1: showing up unexpectedly to talk to Detective Iraqian is a
Speaker 1: calculated stunt that a lot of criminals use. I can
Speaker 1: tell you if somebody walks into an FBI office to
Speaker 1: talk to an agent, or walks into a police department
Speaker 1: to talk to a detective and explain that they haven't
Speaker 1: even been charged. You know, I did this and that,
Speaker 1: but they told me to pay myself, and they're stupid
Speaker 1: and I didn't do anything wrong. I have an expression, Jonathan,
Speaker 1: and it is I'll take that as a confession. That
Speaker 1: was a confession. It was stupid for her to do that,
Speaker 1: but she had every reason to believe she could fool
Speaker 1: the detective, just like she fooled everybody else. And that,
Speaker 1: you know, that sends chills down my spine. As you
Speaker 1: say that because it jibs with a feeling that I've
Speaker 1: had for many years. The harder someone tries to hide something,
Speaker 1: the more they end up revealing it. Right, So she
Speaker 1: walks in there to try to avert disaster, try to
Speaker 1: get ahead of this investigation, try to get the cop
Speaker 1: to shut it down. When really, like you said, you
Speaker 1: take it as a confession. Yes, I do. Of course,
Speaker 1: That's my favorite expression, and I use it a lot.
Speaker 1: I will borrow it and attribute it to you. I
Speaker 1: love it. Yeah, her trying to explain it away as
Speaker 1: a confession because nobody's charged her at that point. You're
Speaker 1: right right away, I mean she was trying to charm me.
Speaker 1: Detective Iraqian immediately picks up what Lizzie Mulder is putting down.
Speaker 1: Gone is the confident and glamorous Lizzie with makeup and
Speaker 1: hair done, wearing high end designer clothes. Here now, SAIDs
Speaker 1: crestfallen mother of two, just trying to make ends meet
Speaker 1: in an untucked, oversized button down shirt and jeans, hair unkempt,
Speaker 1: playing the victim. People know, how can you get money
Speaker 1: from you? It's not one that I think because a
Speaker 1: bad person, and I think of me I'm a mom.
Speaker 1: It's really hard to live in within that and have
Speaker 1: kids and have the mas driting next door. I see
Speaker 1: it every day work, see how old our houses. I
Speaker 1: love that we're Yes, that really was hard on me
Speaker 1: because I was a kid who's dad was severely mentally
Speaker 1: ill and get to fronting and I had a walk
Speaker 1: on egg shell and I started why I at a
Speaker 1: young age was crazy. But I will I know what
Speaker 1: I've heard with Alice, with your mother involved in maybe okay,
Speaker 1: nobody's involved in any of this for me, And with
Speaker 1: a straight face, Lizzie Malder bats away accusations that she
Speaker 1: stole nearly three hundred thousand dollars from Jack Wines. But
Speaker 1: what about the two she's accused of scamming from that
Speaker 1: Newport Beach salon giving hand to Tommy and guy? What
Speaker 1: happened there? How did you get introduced to the high
Speaker 1: school friends? Laurence Geneva and I? First they met with
Speaker 1: me and I said they didn't have mind to pay
Speaker 1: anybody really, I said, maybe you should look around. So
Speaker 1: they got a reference from some guy wasn't legit and
Speaker 1: they begged me and that just took me down, and
Speaker 1: I should never said I would work for free, would
Speaker 1: take down. I end up having to pay somebody who
Speaker 1: worked for me too. It was a ninety five job.
Speaker 1: There were so many problems. It's my hair dresser is
Speaker 1: writing a big business. It just doesn't work, you know.
Speaker 1: And I couldn't do it, and I didn't. I didn't
Speaker 1: want to say this and have it sound bad. I
Speaker 1: didn't feel like I was open money. I didn't. That
Speaker 1: wasn't my mind praying. It was like, I'm working my assis,
Speaker 1: got a pay my rent and I'll just cover it later.
Speaker 1: We're I'll pay a built for them. And they demanded
Speaker 1: so much I couldn't do are all full time jobs
Speaker 1: and charged them like it was a one day a
Speaker 1: week job. Definitely fault. My life was so much harder
Speaker 1: because I was trying to do all that. Like they
Speaker 1: have the major problems with their pay roll and their
Speaker 1: cable taxes. I don't do their payroll a service at
Speaker 1: their payroll. They have major problems. They's some back taxes
Speaker 1: their hairdressers. So right now I'm playing in bed at night, going,
Speaker 1: oh my god, they're probably drowning and their mind is
Speaker 1: probably exploding because they're they're not trying to handle anything
Speaker 1: out of business. That's what's happening. I'll tell you guys.
Speaker 1: They're taking out loans to pay their employees and they're
Speaker 1: hoping to stay aflow long enough to stay in business.
Speaker 1: Um and right now, what's happening is their employees that
Speaker 1: haven't gotten their income tax returns because the income taxes
Speaker 1: weren't paid and not my dad have never being not
Speaker 1: painter of the tax ADP did all that, alright, So
Speaker 1: anything that you see on there, me taking had nothing
Speaker 1: to do a painter. An income tax is different than
Speaker 1: pabal taxes, paybal tax, so you didn't you didn't pay
Speaker 1: money that was designated for them. Never. Well, the bank
Speaker 1: account Lizzie creates and names income tax payments begs to differ.
Speaker 1: Watching this recorded interview of Lizzie Mulder selling all these
Speaker 1: explanations to Detective Iraqian. At times, she looks kind of
Speaker 1: like a grade school teacher trying to explain something complicated
Speaker 1: to a child, using exaggerated hand gestures and overpronounced facial expressions.
Speaker 1: Other times, though, she really looks like a woman who's
Speaker 1: being falsely accused, a sympathetic figure, and she's clearly trying
Speaker 1: to influence Detective Mirackian with this poor little me performance.
Speaker 1: She smiled and batted her eyes at me, and you know,
Speaker 1: she's naturally flirtatious, and she tries to use her charm,
Speaker 1: and I got a glimpse of how these people got swindled.
Speaker 1: I think she was hoping that I would look at
Speaker 1: her as a mother and the wife of a firefighter
Speaker 1: and someone who you know, was paying herself because she
Speaker 1: was trying to put food on the table and these
Speaker 1: people were ripping her off. So you're telling me in
Speaker 1: a nut show, is that you were doing business as
Speaker 1: MFC Molder Financial Consulting Income Tact Payments, and you, as
Speaker 1: a unlicensed c p A as a bookkeeper, went to
Speaker 1: these businesses and started essentially being the CFO for these
Speaker 1: businesses potentially, and then during the course of your duties
Speaker 1: as CFO or bookkeeper, you would pay yourself and at
Speaker 1: some point you got in over your head and actually
Speaker 1: took more money than Why, we're just where you deserved
Speaker 1: to keep up with the paying of the house. Ye
Speaker 1: seems like a logical, even forthcoming explanation, right, But Lizzie
Speaker 1: Mulder's interview is actually pretty damning. She's basically lying about everything,
Speaker 1: and Detective Morakian can prove it, which means the criminal
Speaker 1: case he's got against her is stronger than ever. But
Speaker 1: some unseen powerful force appears to be conspiring to help
Speaker 1: Lizzie get away with everything. You know, I was getting
Speaker 1: pressure to basically close the case. They wanted you to
Speaker 1: get rid of it and not do any just close it.
Speaker 1: The distinct attorney told me, I don't think this is
Speaker 1: a winnable case. It doesn't really have any jury appeal
Speaker 1: and quite honestly, it's too convoluted, and I don't think
Speaker 1: you have enough to win in court. Yea, for those
Speaker 1: of you keeping score, that's one for con artist Lizzie
Speaker 1: alter Her and zero for all her victims. How time,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, okay, question next time. On Queen of
Speaker 1: the Con the O c Savior, a new victim suddenly appears.
Speaker 1: Who is Joe Love? What a name? Right? Yeah? He
Speaker 1: sounds like a porn star, Joe Love. Joe Love. And
Speaker 1: while Lizzie might be caught, that's not slowing her down
Speaker 1: one bit. When you're in a psychiatric hospital, police can't
Speaker 1: come in and get you, I know. Safe. Queen of
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