1 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: My babysat herd kids with my kids. What does that 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: make you feel like? Now? What runs to your head? 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: Sometimes I feel like a bad mom because I opened 4 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 1: my family up, and you know, I kind of invited 5 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: the devil into the den. The scams of c p A. 6 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: Lizzie Mulder cost forensic accountant Jen Rodriguez's boss millions, and 7 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: I literally almost vomited, like vomited. Then suddenly Jen gets 8 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: drafted and Detective Jordan morackians increasingly expanding criminal case against 9 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: Lizzie Mulder, and God knows he needs all the help 10 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: he can get. I didn't get very much support from 11 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: my department. Why they run a business, and their business 12 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,639 Speaker 1: is the entire community, not just this one victim, right, 13 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 1: And I kept trying to explain to my command staff, 14 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: this is bigger than Laguna. The problem is only one 15 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: victim complains to Laguna BEACHPD about Lizzie Mulder. The other 16 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: victims complain in nearby cities like San Clementi, Irvine, and 17 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: Newport Beach, which involved entirely different police jurisdictions, And the 18 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: higher ups at Laguna Beach p D really couldn't care 19 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: less because it's not there a problem. But then all 20 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: of a sudden, in the middle of everything, a huge 21 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: break and Detective Iraqian's case comes out of nowhere. I'm 22 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: walking out of the station and in walks Jesse Moulder. 23 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: I need to talk to a detective. Wow, I mean literally, 24 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: like just like that. I look at him. I'm a detective. 25 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: How can I help you? And he says, I'm a 26 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:42,199 Speaker 1: firefighter and I think my wife is scamming her clients 27 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: out of money, and I'm afraid that she's got me 28 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: involved in it. All right, let's talk. So Jesse sits 29 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: down with me. He tells me how he's a brand 30 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: new firefighter in the city of Orange. He's married to 31 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: a woman named Elizabeth, and she's an accountant. I came 32 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: home because I thought was cheating on me. I started 33 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: going through the mail and I found all these bills 34 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: for all these different people and all these credit cards, 35 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 1: and I think she's scamming people out of millions of dollars. 36 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: And I said, well, what's your wife's name? And he 37 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: goes Elizabeth Mulder, but she goes by Lizzie. I'm Jonathan 38 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: Walton and this is Queen of the con The O 39 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 1: C Savior episode six, he said, she said, we live 40 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: in Orange, so I would go down to the Circle. 41 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 1: Have you ever been there? The Circle? Now? What's that? 42 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: To the Orange Circle? Orange Circle? It's beautiful. There's a 43 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: fountain in the middle. There's a roundabout and a bunch 44 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: of old antique shops and a bunch of nice restaurants 45 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: in there. Anyway, I saw Jesse one day down there, 46 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: dogging with some of the firefighters. He saw me. I 47 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: saw him. We made eye contact, and that was that, 48 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 1: and he acknowledged you. No, No, he's not going to 49 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: acknowledge me. He knows how I feel about Jesse. Mulder 50 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: walks into the Laguna Beach Police Department in May. He 51 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: tells Detective Iraqian that Lizzie is cheating on him, and 52 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: there's talk that her paramore is an Orange County cowboy 53 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: named Joe Love. More on that later, but Jesse also 54 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: says Lizzie is cheating her clients too, out of millions 55 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: of dollars. So Lizzie's husband starts helping Detective Mirackian gather 56 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: evidence against his wife. Jesse shows me kind of a 57 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: haphazard stack of mail, and he agrees not to let 58 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: his con artist wife know police are investigating her. Jesse 59 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: swears he has nothing to do with it, and Detective 60 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: Mirakian believes him. But as the days passed, the detective 61 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: starts to see things a little differently. I can't prove it, 62 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: but I think Jesse played me. I think the day 63 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: Jesse came in to report his wife, I think that 64 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: was all part of an orchestrated plan to get the 65 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: detective on my side, and that way, if they do 66 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: go after Lizzie, I've got my quote unquote informant Jesse Moulder, 67 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: who's a firefighter. Were a cop, firefighter, We trust each other, 68 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 1: and so early on in the case, I was feeding 69 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: Jesse information and I was doing it because I didn't 70 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: want his kids to get dragged into a search warrant. 71 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: And he burned me. And he burned me by wiping 72 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: her phone. He wiped her phone when we executed the 73 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: search warrant because he knew it was coming. Yes, that 74 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: is a direct contradiction and to his action in the 75 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: first place, going into report his wife. Why would the 76 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: same man go into report his wife stealing all this 77 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: money from people, then white her phone to hide the evidence. 78 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: I think she charmed him. You don't think he was 79 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: like in on the scam and wanted to benefit from it. 80 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: I don't want to say that he was in on 81 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: the scam, but what I do want to say is 82 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,559 Speaker 1: I think at some point he's looking at the woman 83 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: he married that he loves, the mother of his kids, 84 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: and she's telling him, Jesse, if you cooperate with Laguna BEACHPD, 85 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to jail forever and the kids aren't 86 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: going to have their mother. We're gonna lose this house, 87 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: and our whole lives are gonna be over. And I 88 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: think as time went on, he started to really look 89 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: at a scenario where he was going to be a 90 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: single dad, and it's scared him. I mean, he was 91 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: calling me for advice on you know, I divorced. I'm 92 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 1: married now, but I divorced prior, and he was talking 93 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: to me like, you know, were you able to find 94 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 1: someone at thirty four years old? Pana. It's just like, dude, 95 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: that's not what this is. Like. Yeah, I'm a detective, right, 96 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 1: we're not BFFs. Shortly after Jesse first walks into Laguna 97 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: Beach p D to report his wife, Detective Iraqian executes 98 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: a search warrant at the Mulder's Laguna Beach home and 99 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 1: confiscates computers, documents, and cell phones. Then days later, in 100 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: a truly bizarre turn of events, Lizzie Maulder inexplicably shows 101 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: up out of nowhere and ambushes the detective. How the 102 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: hell did that happen? That happened when I met up 103 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: with Jesse at Bluebird Park and Lizzie showed up quote unquote, 104 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: just showed up. Happened to be in the neighborhood. Lizzie 105 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: wants to talk to Detective Iraqi about the case right 106 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: there in the park, but the detective explains that's not 107 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: how things work. If she wants to talk to him 108 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: in her capacity as a suspect and his capacity as 109 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 1: an officer of the law, it's got to be official, 110 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: and it's got to happen at the police station. Detective 111 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 1: Iraqi assures her she will not be arrested if she 112 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: comes with him to the station to talk. So Lizzie 113 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: agreed to come down to the station and talk to me. 114 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: I'm surprised she said yes. And why did she say yes? 115 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: Because she's an egomaniac. She thinks she's smarter than you. 116 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: They always think I'm gonna charm this guy or gal 117 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: and make them think I mean. It happens on traffic 118 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: stops a thousand times a day to us. Do you 119 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: know why I stopped? Do you know? I don't? Yeah? 120 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: You do? Yeah, you're going, yeah, you do? You know. 121 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. You know. I just found out my uncle 122 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: has COVID and he's coughing and I need to go 123 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: to his house. It's like, no, you're not. Can I 124 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: call your uncle? And the lie crumbles. We're professional bullshit detectors, 125 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: like we got lied to all the time, and it's 126 00:07:55,120 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: about to happen again. Normally, police have to call a 127 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: suspect and sometimes even beg a suspect to come down 128 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: to the station for an interview, and normally the attorney 129 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: says hell no. But Lizzie throws Detective Iraqian a curve 130 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: ball by just showing up out of the blue. He's 131 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: not prepared to interview his suspect yet. But at the 132 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: same time, as a detective, that's a golden opportunity. You 133 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: want to talk to them. You want to bring him out, 134 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: bring him quickly as you can and get something. The 135 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: truth is, the day I sat down with Lizzie Molder 136 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: for her interview. I didn't know anything. I just I 137 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 1: pretended like I knew everything. I wasn't prepared. I wasn't 138 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: even in uniform or even in my suit and tie. 139 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: I just had a shirt and slacks on. So I 140 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: ran into the office. I saw the records clerk. I said, 141 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: give me four or five boxes, and she goes, what four? 142 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: I said, just give me some boxes, and I wrote 143 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: Molder on the outside of the boxes, and I stacked 144 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: them up in the interview room and grabbed a bunch 145 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: of miscellaneous files from our records clerk and threw them 146 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: in the boxes. And I would just as I'm talking 147 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: to her, I could see her looking over my shoulder 148 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: at these boxes, and I wanted her to think that 149 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 1: I already knew everything was brilliant. You know, it's an 150 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: old trick, and I just wanted her to think that 151 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: we were already a couple of steps ahead of her. 152 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,719 Speaker 1: He's actually not a couple of steps ahead of her, 153 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: not yet anyway, But that's all about to change, and 154 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: thank god. Detective Miraqian records his entire conversation with Lizzie 155 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: Maulder on MA at six fifty PM. Say what you 156 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: will about Lizzie Maulder. She does not go gentle into 157 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: that good night cash flow, wait for the next payment. 158 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: So when I take a payment her right out of 159 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 1: the gate, she tries to explain away her elaborate series 160 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 1: of cons as innocent misrepresentations. Yeah, that's how the fool 161 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 1: thing started, and not if I could put more money 162 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: through my baby account, I could show you were trying 163 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: to employ the mercy to buy that house. That was 164 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: the least option to buy. It's a last option to buy. 165 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: That explained that it certainly does, meaning the two and 166 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: a half million dollar Laguna Beach home overlooking the Pacific 167 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: Ocean that Lizzie brags to everyone she owns and belittle's 168 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: friends like Jen Rodriguez for being quote renters. Oh, John, 169 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry you rent. Oh she said that to you. 170 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she would say that often. Well, Lizzie is 171 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: actually renting too. And this revelation rubs print shop owner 172 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: Mike Cochrane the wrong way and adds more weight to 173 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: the theory that Lizzie's husband, Jesse, might not be as 174 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: innocent as he appears to be. Her husband said he 175 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: was not a collaborator. That's a freaking joke. Okay. We 176 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: went on a tour of their house. We went neate 177 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:12,839 Speaker 1: dinner at him, and they told us about the new 178 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: house that they bought in Laguna Beach and how they 179 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: were renovating it and all this stuff, and they were exciting. 180 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: We walked around and patted him on the back. While 181 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: pretending to be a Laguna Beach homeowner is not a 182 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: crime in and of itself. Lizzie definitely uses the facade 183 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: of owning that home to trick her victims into believing 184 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: she's a successful c p A. Remember what Salon owner 185 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: Geneva Mendoza said back in episode one, Lauren set up 186 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: an appointment with her at her home office in Laguna 187 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 1: and she had this really great front office with ocean views. Beautiful. 188 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: That was Lizzie using her home as bait, and now 189 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: she's trying to explain it away to Detective Miraqian with 190 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: verbal gymnastics. Kinda liar, But I'm a liar because I 191 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: don't want to come to grips with what's really happy. 192 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: I just want to keep everything over. You're not lying 193 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: to me right now, you know I'm not lying to well, 194 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: you know what I told her, the part you're not 195 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: under arrest. I'm not gonna arrest you today. I'm not 196 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: here to arrest you, okay. I'm here to find out 197 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: the truth. I want to know why. You know, I 198 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: know what happened for the most part, but you kept 199 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: saying that's not what you think. And I've heard that before. 200 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: Remember when Lizzie's husband, Jesse, gives her a heads up 201 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: about an impending search warrant which is supposed to be 202 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 1: a surprise, and then he deletes the contents of her 203 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: cell phone before police arrive. Well, that's all just a misunderstanding. 204 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 1: According to Lizzie, Jesse is actually trying to cut back 205 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: on expenses and just getting rid of Lizzie's cell phone 206 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 1: to save money makes perfect sense, right. The whole thing 207 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,719 Speaker 1: with Jesse and the phone, it wasn't calculated. Jetsie's just 208 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: doesn't make enough money and he's freaking out on the Well, 209 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: they made you do that when we I swear Lizzie 210 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: Mulder has answers for everything, even when they make zero sense. 211 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 1: On the phone, everything that's accounts to come back, pictures, 212 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: text message, emails and called it. That's why I like 213 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: it was Tom Jessie. You know when the search warns 214 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: come back to the evidence is there? Yeah? The first scam. 215 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: Detective Iraqian eviscerates early on in the conversation, throws everything 216 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: Lizzie's ever told anyone about herself into question. You're never 217 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: return I just want you how did you end up 218 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: a pepodyne you've ever done? Yeah? I want to quest 219 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: to college. This is huge. The very foundation Lizzie mulder 220 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 1: lais to gain entry into all her victims businesses. By 221 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: Lizzie's own admission is a lie. She's not a c 222 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: p A, even though she tricks everyone into believing she is. 223 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: And she never went to Pepperdine. So that degree she 224 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: has hanging in her office indicating she did is a fake, 225 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: just like detective Morackians strategically placed evidence boxes. Those boxes, 226 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: that's the same con you did on her her Pepperdine 227 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: University degree. Those are your boxes. That's the same thing. 228 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: You're like, it's a prop to make people believe A 229 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: when B is true. God, So yeah, out con the con? Yeah? Yeah, 230 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: because she probably thought, fuck, they have six seven boxes 231 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: about me, like they have a case and they caned 232 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: me at first dizzy they played me. And when I 233 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: found out that I got played aid, the gloves are off. 234 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: This is my priority. Detective Miracian is already well aware. 235 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: Lizzie stolen nearly three hundred thousand dollars from j Avery's company, 236 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: Jack Wines, using her bogus income tax payment bank account 237 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: scam and fabricating an investor named Brent Harrison who tricks 238 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: j into believing he's gonna pump millions of dollars into 239 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: Jack Wines, motivating Jay to spend a fortune getting his 240 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: company ready for that investment. I wrote a search warrant 241 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: for your account, so I feel the way the layers 242 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: and started figuring out who Bred Harrison wasn't and who 243 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: he was, and the investors in China, and all the 244 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: things that went into Jack Wines at all pointed back 245 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: to you. We have chanted income tax payments dating back 246 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: to income tax payment. I would paint myself because I 247 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: was doing everything, and then we're investor is in China, 248 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: and I met them at there was Carleton, and I 249 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: fluted Seattle's trying to anything. There's no bread here. Jay 250 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: was such a liability that I created that, and I 251 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: had been doing that for a long time because I 252 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: don't know how to just tell people your liability. I 253 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: have a problem that way. And maybe because I've never 254 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: been on medication. Maybe it's because my umbray. I don't 255 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: know what it's from. But I had no every time 256 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: he called it because I couldn't manage him j Yeah, 257 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: when he was addictive of pills. And yeah, I mean 258 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: he's dead on and off forever. And that's the thing, 259 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: like we, Jay couldn't find it anymore. I couldn't make 260 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: it money. I loved him all the wine. I didn't 261 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: take any of it, and he hasn't all the assets 262 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: of it. I didn't sell it from my own being 263 00:16:55,080 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: or anything. So bread Harrison, there's no right couple person 264 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: in the line trust. So you created all those invoices? 265 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:09,199 Speaker 1: Then I've never Yeah, there were invoices sent from you 266 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: to Jay Gambury from different businesses for payments. Was that 267 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: someone else or was that you? I don't know. I 268 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 1: never created invoices, So I created emails. Okay, okay? So 269 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: you created the brand, Harrison, Yes, And why didn't you 270 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: do that? I started that right after he lost Indians. 271 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: Who are these that you're talking about? You were pretty 272 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: close to making this deal cup Room. And the deal 273 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: was for to sell all their wine directs, all indie pasinos. 274 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: Because I was really cool. Ad and James flew out too. 275 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: I think it was Kentucky and Tennessee and that's the 276 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: whole thing up. And how did he do that? He 277 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: would drunken high And at the moment after that, I said, 278 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: I have to keep him and gave it with somebody 279 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: that's not real so I can take over. So you 280 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: created Brent Harrison, there's a way to keep coming to 281 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: Muntating for what purpose? I wanted to sell the company. 282 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: I was hoping that we could sell the company for 283 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: a couple of million dollars. We had a nice label, 284 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: we had some really good point. While I was trying 285 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 1: really hard to get it sold, there's a guy named 286 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: Johnny that I thought I was gonna be it and 287 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: I he was gonna import to China, and I did 288 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: all a cheaper work for the important export of pitches 289 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: fell apart, and on this last October I thought he 290 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: was clean and I was going to let him come 291 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 1: to Seattle. I was gonna bring him to Chatau, San 292 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: Michell and Chatta. That's just been aim of the winery. 293 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: I told him here's the goal, which here's what we're 294 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 1: looking for, really cheap dollar twenty five dollars seventy five 295 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: export to China. I can't bring gay and five people. 296 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: Goodness people. He's liability, he's a financer, but he's not 297 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: the voice. He's not the person you wanted the face 298 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: of the cake. Hiring me this bookkeeper and then look, 299 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: I just took over, just like I hear with everybody 300 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 1: that I'm smart, I can do stuf, and I end 301 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 1: up doing every single thing. And it's so stupid of me. 302 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: But all the checks they wrote up to Lizzie Mulder, 303 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: he said, you need to pay yourself. We're all those 304 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: checks like Mulder Financials and Gulpion, the MSc. That's so 305 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: that we talked about. And you know, of course he's 306 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,400 Speaker 1: not gonna tell Marma. There's the point that long before 307 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 1: Marma has been involved and pitches that he said, she said, 308 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: he just wanted over. You know. So Lizzy, in a 309 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: very matter of fact kind of way, is trying to 310 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: explain all the money she steals from Jack Wines as 311 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 1: a he said, she said, Jay is just a crazy 312 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 1: drug addict. So she's forced to invent the Brent Harrison 313 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: character to keep Jake calm while she tried is to 314 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: sell his company. It's for his own good. She just 315 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: wants to help him. I reach out to Jay to 316 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: get his reaction to Lizzie's explanation what she said in 317 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: that interview. Some of what she said was that she 318 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: created Brent Harrison to help you, to help me. Uh funny, 319 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: help me because she said you were so crazy because 320 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 1: of your drug addiction and carrying on that she was 321 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: trying to pacify you so she could use Brent Harrison 322 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 1: to keep you, know, giving you comfort in some way, 323 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: while she could hopefully sell your company for a couple 324 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: of million dollars and get you that money to help you. Yeah. Man, 325 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 1: that kind of blows my mind that she would say 326 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: that because there wasn't much that she did besides still 327 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,479 Speaker 1: and me and Alex, who was my partner. We were 328 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 1: handling everything. I was doing all out of the sales. 329 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: He was making the wine he hits themselves. Um, but 330 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: the drug addiction wasn't affecting my business to the point 331 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: where I was a highly functioning drug addict. Highly functioning 332 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, if she wasn't in my life. There's 333 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 1: a very strong chance that Jack Lyns would still be 334 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: up and doing well, potentially thriving. She was more detrimental 335 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 1: and than anything else. So her whole thing is as 336 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: full of ship. Detective Iraqian isn't buying what was he 337 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: saying either. But your role agreeing for Harrison email was 338 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: to sell linery, like basically to keep the business afloat. 339 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: And Nick Jay is not a liability. I have pages 340 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 1: of text messages, pages of emails between you and Jack 341 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: and he would say something like just got off the 342 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: phone with friend Harrison and they're ready to move on 343 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: the next ship, but they need twenty dollars in the 344 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: well star. And I hope Johnny was actually the guy 345 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: who we were doing. Wanted to try um I forgot 346 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,479 Speaker 1: his last name, of course she did. And you know 347 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: all that money, Detective Iraqian fines and Lizzie's bank accounts 348 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 1: from Jack Wines is just her salary that Jay told 349 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: her to take. I would never consider a delement. I 350 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 1: consider paying my help because I was the only one. 351 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: If you asked, Ja, what were you doing for the company? 352 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: What were But how does Lizzie really expect seasoned detective 353 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: like Jordan Mirakian, let alone anyone else to believe all 354 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 1: this stuff. She had a lot of success tricking people, right, 355 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: and so if I tricked all these people, they trusted me, 356 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: they opened their bank accounts. I ripped them off. I 357 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: can fool this detective too. Former FBI criminal profiler and 358 00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: hosted the podcast Killer Psyche Candice DeLong said, is Lizzie 359 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: showing up unexpectedly to talk to Detective Iraqian is a 360 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: calculated stunt that a lot of criminals use. I can 361 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: tell you if somebody walks into an FBI office to 362 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: talk to an agent, or walks into a police department 363 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: to talk to a detective and explain that they haven't 364 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: even been charged. You know, I did this and that, 365 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: but they told me to pay myself, and they're stupid 366 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: and I didn't do anything wrong. I have an expression, Jonathan, 367 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: and it is I'll take that as a confession. That 368 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: was a confession. It was stupid for her to do that, 369 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,959 Speaker 1: but she had every reason to believe she could fool 370 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: the detective, just like she fooled everybody else. And that, 371 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: you know, that sends chills down my spine. As you 372 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: say that because it jibs with a feeling that I've 373 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 1: had for many years. The harder someone tries to hide something, 374 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: the more they end up revealing it. Right, So she 375 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 1: walks in there to try to avert disaster, try to 376 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 1: get ahead of this investigation, try to get the cop 377 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: to shut it down. When really, like you said, you 378 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: take it as a confession. Yes, I do. Of course, 379 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: That's my favorite expression, and I use it a lot. 380 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: I will borrow it and attribute it to you. I 381 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: love it. Yeah, her trying to explain it away as 382 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,120 Speaker 1: a confession because nobody's charged her at that point. You're 383 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: right right away, I mean she was trying to charm me. 384 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: Detective Iraqian immediately picks up what Lizzie Mulder is putting down. 385 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 1: Gone is the confident and glamorous Lizzie with makeup and 386 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: hair done, wearing high end designer clothes. Here now, SAIDs 387 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: crestfallen mother of two, just trying to make ends meet 388 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: in an untucked, oversized button down shirt and jeans, hair unkempt, 389 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 1: playing the victim. People know, how can you get money 390 00:24:55,440 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: from you? It's not one that I think because a 391 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: bad person, and I think of me I'm a mom. 392 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 1: It's really hard to live in within that and have 393 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: kids and have the mas driting next door. I see 394 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: it every day work, see how old our houses. I 395 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: love that we're Yes, that really was hard on me 396 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 1: because I was a kid who's dad was severely mentally 397 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: ill and get to fronting and I had a walk 398 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: on egg shell and I started why I at a 399 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,640 Speaker 1: young age was crazy. But I will I know what 400 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: I've heard with Alice, with your mother involved in maybe okay, 401 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: nobody's involved in any of this for me, And with 402 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: a straight face, Lizzie Malder bats away accusations that she 403 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: stole nearly three hundred thousand dollars from Jack Wines. But 404 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 1: what about the two she's accused of scamming from that 405 00:25:55,480 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: Newport Beach salon giving hand to Tommy and guy? What 406 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: happened there? How did you get introduced to the high 407 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:08,919 Speaker 1: school friends? Laurence Geneva and I? First they met with 408 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: me and I said they didn't have mind to pay 409 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,919 Speaker 1: anybody really, I said, maybe you should look around. So 410 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: they got a reference from some guy wasn't legit and 411 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,199 Speaker 1: they begged me and that just took me down, and 412 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 1: I should never said I would work for free, would 413 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: take down. I end up having to pay somebody who 414 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: worked for me too. It was a ninety five job. 415 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 1: There were so many problems. It's my hair dresser is 416 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: writing a big business. It just doesn't work, you know. 417 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 1: And I couldn't do it, and I didn't. I didn't 418 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: want to say this and have it sound bad. I 419 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: didn't feel like I was open money. I didn't. That 420 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: wasn't my mind praying. It was like, I'm working my assis, 421 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: got a pay my rent and I'll just cover it later. 422 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: We're I'll pay a built for them. And they demanded 423 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: so much I couldn't do are all full time jobs 424 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: and charged them like it was a one day a 425 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: week job. Definitely fault. My life was so much harder 426 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: because I was trying to do all that. Like they 427 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: have the major problems with their pay roll and their 428 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 1: cable taxes. I don't do their payroll a service at 429 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 1: their payroll. They have major problems. They's some back taxes 430 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: their hairdressers. So right now I'm playing in bed at night, going, 431 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 1: oh my god, they're probably drowning and their mind is 432 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 1: probably exploding because they're they're not trying to handle anything 433 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: out of business. That's what's happening. I'll tell you guys. 434 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: They're taking out loans to pay their employees and they're 435 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 1: hoping to stay aflow long enough to stay in business. 436 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,199 Speaker 1: Um and right now, what's happening is their employees that 437 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,479 Speaker 1: haven't gotten their income tax returns because the income taxes 438 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: weren't paid and not my dad have never being not 439 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 1: painter of the tax ADP did all that, alright, So 440 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: anything that you see on there, me taking had nothing 441 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: to do a painter. An income tax is different than 442 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: pabal taxes, paybal tax, so you didn't you didn't pay 443 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: money that was designated for them. Never. Well, the bank 444 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 1: account Lizzie creates and names income tax payments begs to differ. 445 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 1: Watching this recorded interview of Lizzie Mulder selling all these 446 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: explanations to Detective Iraqian. At times, she looks kind of 447 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: like a grade school teacher trying to explain something complicated 448 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: to a child, using exaggerated hand gestures and overpronounced facial expressions. 449 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: Other times, though, she really looks like a woman who's 450 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: being falsely accused, a sympathetic figure, and she's clearly trying 451 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: to influence Detective Mirackian with this poor little me performance. 452 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,959 Speaker 1: She smiled and batted her eyes at me, and you know, 453 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: she's naturally flirtatious, and she tries to use her charm, 454 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: and I got a glimpse of how these people got swindled. 455 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: I think she was hoping that I would look at 456 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: her as a mother and the wife of a firefighter 457 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: and someone who you know, was paying herself because she 458 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: was trying to put food on the table and these 459 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: people were ripping her off. So you're telling me in 460 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: a nut show, is that you were doing business as 461 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: MFC Molder Financial Consulting Income Tact Payments, and you, as 462 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: a unlicensed c p A as a bookkeeper, went to 463 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: these businesses and started essentially being the CFO for these 464 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: businesses potentially, and then during the course of your duties 465 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: as CFO or bookkeeper, you would pay yourself and at 466 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: some point you got in over your head and actually 467 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: took more money than Why, we're just where you deserved 468 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: to keep up with the paying of the house. Ye 469 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: seems like a logical, even forthcoming explanation, right, But Lizzie 470 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: Mulder's interview is actually pretty damning. She's basically lying about everything, 471 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: and Detective Morakian can prove it, which means the criminal 472 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: case he's got against her is stronger than ever. But 473 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: some unseen powerful force appears to be conspiring to help 474 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: Lizzie get away with everything. You know, I was getting 475 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: pressure to basically close the case. They wanted you to 476 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: get rid of it and not do any just close it. 477 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: The distinct attorney told me, I don't think this is 478 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: a winnable case. It doesn't really have any jury appeal 479 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: and quite honestly, it's too convoluted, and I don't think 480 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: you have enough to win in court. Yea, for those 481 00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: of you keeping score, that's one for con artist Lizzie 482 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: alter Her and zero for all her victims. How time, 483 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, okay, question next time. On Queen of 484 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: the Con the O c Savior, a new victim suddenly appears. 485 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: Who is Joe Love? What a name? Right? Yeah? 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