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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks, it is Tuesday, July the eighth. Yes,

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Speaker 1: did he heard the verdicts last week, but today he

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Speaker 1: had another very important court hearing in his case. It

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Speaker 1: lasted all of two minutes, but we got some very

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Speaker 1: important information out of it, and we found out that

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Speaker 1: Diddy has changed his mind. And with that, welcome to

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Speaker 1: this Diddy Update episode of Amy and TJ.

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Speaker 2: Robes.

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Speaker 1: Who were anticipating one thing from the defense team and

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Speaker 1: we got something else today.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it was actually very confusing to a lot of folks,

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Speaker 3: some journalists and everyone was huddled around, even in some

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Speaker 3: listening rooms trying to hear what was happening for a

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Speaker 3: scheduled sentencing, like a pre sentencing hearing, I guess.

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Speaker 4: Is what it was called.

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Speaker 1: They called it a conference, a virtual conference. It was

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Speaker 1: supposed to be for them to discuss, yes, when we

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Speaker 1: can actually sentence its correct.

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Speaker 3: So here's what we were anticipating. It had been said

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Speaker 3: that the defense and the prosecution had actually agreed to

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Speaker 3: I guess hasten the sentencing hearing from October third to

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Speaker 3: September twenty second, So everyone was expecting defense attorneys and

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Speaker 3: federal prosecutors to submit this September twenty second sentencing date

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Speaker 3: to the judge, but just before the hearing, attorneys for

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Speaker 3: both sides then sent another letter, joint letter to the

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Speaker 3: judge saying never mind, we'll just go ahead and keep

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Speaker 3: the October third, the original sentencing date done. And then

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Speaker 3: they were asked, would you like to talk about anything else?

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Speaker 3: Is there anything else to discuss? Most folks were expecting

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Speaker 3: other business to be talked about, and they both said, nah,

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Speaker 3: we're good.

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Speaker 1: That was essentially a phone call. They say Diddy was

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Speaker 1: on the call, but it went just a couple of minutes.

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Speaker 1: Now surprising heroes because as soon I mean, as you

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Speaker 1: know what we just reported this. Markgagnfield when he kind

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Speaker 1: of had an epiphany the day before the verdicts were read,

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Speaker 1: he realized, you know what, he's been found not guilty

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Speaker 1: on these other accounts. He's guilty on the prostitution. So

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Speaker 1: let's get a bail request ready. As soon as they

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Speaker 1: heard the verdicts, they would like, hey, we want to

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Speaker 1: get this guy out of jail. The judge said no.

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Speaker 1: They were immediately Hey, we want to get the sentencing

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Speaker 1: done as quickly as possible. They were so quick to

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Speaker 1: be on top of that and today a total turnaround.

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Speaker 4: That's what's confusing.

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Speaker 3: So last week we heard from Mark Agnfilo telling the

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Speaker 3: judge that Diddy was actually experiencing exceptional circumstances. They actually

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Speaker 3: cited that specific claim because they said if he had

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Speaker 3: to wait until October third, it was a problem. Because

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Speaker 3: they brought up the fact that Comb's romantic partner, Kim Porter,

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Speaker 3: died back in twenty eighteen, and so that his twin daughters,

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Speaker 3: who were sitting behind him in the second.

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Speaker 4: Row throughout most of the trial.

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Speaker 3: They're eighteen years old, but they have been without a

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Speaker 3: parent for some time now, and so that was part

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Speaker 3: of the reasoning. We heard Diddy's defense attorney say, hey,

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Speaker 3: we need an expedited sentencing date.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if that ever works. Does that I mean,

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Speaker 1: if there are young children, that's one thing, but that.

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Speaker 4: Is they're adults technically by law.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they brought it up as if they thought

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Speaker 1: it might make a difference. I mean, they know what

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Speaker 3: Just a maybe it was an emotional reaction maybe, But

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Speaker 3: also other thing that I was kind of confused by.

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Speaker 4: So if the judge is.

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Speaker 3: Ultimately going to decide whether or not he serves what

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Speaker 3: they're asking for about two years behind bars versus what

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Speaker 3: the prosecution is hoping for, which is five years behind bars.

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Speaker 3: How moving up the sentencing date changes when he gets

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Speaker 3: he's getting credit for time serve. So that was also

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Speaker 3: maybe just him having peace of mind knowing how much

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Speaker 4: Maybe that has a.

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Speaker 3: Mental health benefit to him to his daughter's just to

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Speaker 2: Bye.

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Speaker 1: But he's not getting out of jail anytime soon. This

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Speaker 1: is what we're talking about. He's going to be sentenced.

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Speaker 1: I think there's a consensus from all the experts and

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Speaker 1: they let him out on bail now, he's going to

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Speaker 1: matter of how long that's going to be. But to

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Speaker 1: your point, Robes, it seemed almost I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it was a gut reaction, immediate reaction or not a

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Speaker 1: matter to rush it. We might as well take our

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Speaker 1: ultimate decision. Convictions were one thing, and the verdicts were

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Speaker 1: one thing, but now this is the most important thing

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Speaker 3: Right. But so to that point, it's very interesting because

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Speaker 3: Comb's dues face technically a maximum sentence of twenty years

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Speaker 3: of twenty years behind bars, and initially the prosecution said

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Speaker 3: that's what they were going to go for. Now it

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Speaker 3: appears they're saying, okay, maybe five years would be enough,

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Speaker 3: and again the defense wants two years. But it's been

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Speaker 4: He doesn't have.

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Speaker 1: To abide by whatever guidelines they keep talking about. Correct,

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Speaker 1: to do whatever he wants as long the only thing

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Speaker 1: he can't do is go over ten years for each count.

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Speaker 1: That's the only thing. That's the only requirement. So the

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Speaker 1: thing is now the judge has indicated he is indicated

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Speaker 1: by not allowing him out on bail after the verdicts.

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Speaker 1: He has indicated that he feels that Sean Diddy Combes

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Speaker 1: is still a threat to the community in some way.

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Speaker 1: He said it flat out from the bench and his

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Speaker 1: he won't even let him go home for a couple

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Speaker 1: of months until the sentencing, right because he thinks he's

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Speaker 2: To the community.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, he mentioned the fact that he does

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Speaker 4: Know anything about. That is one thing.

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Speaker 3: But he also did specifically point out to the fact,

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Speaker 3: point out the fact, excuse me, that he was violent,

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Speaker 3: even by his own admission, after he knew he was

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Speaker 3: even when he knew federal investigators were on him for

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Speaker 3: all of this alleged abuse. He still continued to abuse

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Speaker 3: this is a guy who, even when he knows he

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Speaker 3: he's still committing violent acts.

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Speaker 4: So no, you cannot be out on bail.

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Speaker 1: So the jug and the prosecutors are asking the judge

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Speaker 1: to consider that and to consider conduct he was acquitted for. Right,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter like whatever technicality on racketeering, it didn't

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Speaker 1: with it. Okay, fine, we still saw the video of

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Speaker 1: it is a I mean, he comes off as a

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Speaker 1: scary dude that, if unleashed back into society, could still

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Speaker 1: help me hear ropes. There was a line that judged

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Speaker 1: used about his propensity for violence behind closed doors. You remember,

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Speaker 1: I'll hear it is quote. This type of violence which

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Speaker 1: there's nothing I can say and say stay at home

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Speaker 1: at twenty four hour monitoring. There's nothing he could say

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Speaker 1: that the judge that would make him feel comfortable about

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Speaker 3: That's wild and that is telling and will be very

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Speaker 3: interesting to hear. How then he is going to rule

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Speaker 3: on sentencing. He's got some time obviously between now and then.

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Speaker 3: Now it looks like October third. But one of the

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Speaker 3: big stipulations that happens during this time is there's an

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Speaker 3: investigation of sorts. I mean actually an investigation, a sentencing investigation,

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Speaker 3: and federal prosecutors were adamant that that should not be eliminated.

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Speaker 4: They shouldn't go straight to sentencing.

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Speaker 3: They should actually have the time to let it run

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Speaker 3: its proper course, which involves a pre sentenced report from

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Speaker 3: probation officials, which includes an interview with Diddy, and so

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Speaker 3: heres want that to happen. So that interview, then the

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Speaker 3: and that's an important part of the process to determine

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Speaker 2: And at this point, Robes.

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Speaker 1: I have now right, he had the victory, and it

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Speaker 1: was a big and it was that's not in all

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Speaker 1: circles he was facing life.

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Speaker 2: He could possibly be getting a couple of years.

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Speaker 1: That's a week less than five, and we get it.

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Speaker 2: That is a win for him.

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Speaker 1: However, now I'm hearing so many legal experts, the folks

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Speaker 1: common sense test of this is a bad dude, and

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Speaker 1: giving him just two years after up all this shit

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Speaker 1: we just heard wouldn't be just.

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Speaker 3: I can't help but think about how the judge truly felt.

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Speaker 3: It may have seemed small, but it stood out. And

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Speaker 3: I think a judge especially knows when someone's trying to

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Speaker 4: So someone who is charismatic and possibly.

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Speaker 3: Manipulative, how the judge felt, when did he took the

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Speaker 3: And I think you're doing a really good job. I

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Speaker 3: wonder how much impact if that had, And I would

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Speaker 3: because the judge obviously is a smart man, And I

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Speaker 3: wonder how much that made him feel like, is this, dude,

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Speaker 3: somebody I really want to go easy on, somebody I

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Speaker 3: want to be fair?

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Speaker 4: Are someone who I want to teach a lesson to.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if that I just can't help but

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Speaker 1: It's it's they call them judges for a reason. They

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Speaker 1: of the person sitting there and how the proceeding is

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Speaker 1: supposed to go right his judgment about Diddy? Is everything

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Speaker 1: right now? That moment it went one of.

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Speaker 2: What three ways?

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Speaker 1: It had a positive impact, a negative impact, or absolutely none.

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Speaker 1: It could have just rolled off. He could have been dismissive.

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Speaker 2: We had to read.

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Speaker 3: So it read arrogant. It read arrogant and manipulative. Yes,

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Speaker 3: it read both of those things. To me, who does that?

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Speaker 3: And what Judge actually is swayed by that?

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Speaker 1: I think that I just think he's smart enough to know.

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Speaker 3: My mom always told me everyone's favorite subjectors themselves. So

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Speaker 3: I'm very fascinated to see what this judge decides.

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Speaker 4: He's got time to go through it.

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Speaker 1: And here's the thing, folks, he is going to be

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Speaker 2: Do you know what that is?

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Speaker 3: Welcome back everyone to this Tuesday. Did he trial addition?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's what happened today.

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Speaker 2: Nothing? Nothing, the least dramatic day of all the days.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely loved the Diddy trial, and this is when we

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Speaker 2: What are they going to do? Nothing? Nothing, nothing today?

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Speaker 1: We've had a lot of dramatic days in this in

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Speaker 4: Probably yes, at least two years. That would be the

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Speaker 2: You had the numbers off the top of your head.

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Speaker 3: It will actually be a little bit over a year,

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Speaker 2: Sweet spirit.

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Speaker 1: It's possible if the judge goes the low end and

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Speaker 4: That would be best case scenario.

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Speaker 1: A year we're talking about summer of twenty twenty six

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Speaker 1: He could go high on the high end or even higher.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he certainly has. And so it's anyone's guess what

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Speaker 4: Let's do this on your timeline. We're cool.

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Speaker 1: We need a minute to figure out right convictions now

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Speaker 1: on something you keep hearing transportation to engage in prostitution.

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Speaker 1: This is a an incredibly controversial century old law that's

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Speaker 4: It certainly is.

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Speaker 3: And I didn't realize this, but when you start looking

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Speaker 4: White Slave Traffic Act.

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Speaker 3: It criminalizes transporting individuals across state line four.

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Speaker 4: And here's the catch, prostitution.

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Speaker 3: But it originally said prostitution or debauchery or for any

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Speaker 3: And so there was a very high profile case against

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Speaker 2: And they thought it was they're going after him for

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Speaker 1: But that plays for the pubblic it does praise for

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Speaker 3: Now it also we should point out this Man Act

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Speaker 1: but I think you're going to know it.

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Speaker 2: What is it about?

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Speaker 1: They changed some language and took out some component that

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Speaker 4: So this is what I can see right now.

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Speaker 4: That was vague.

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Speaker 3: So when they used a moral purpose, that's when they

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Speaker 2: That wasn't what the eighties.

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Speaker 3: Well, it took until the eighties before that amendment was dropped.

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Speaker 4: Babe.

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Speaker 4: It was illegal if you.

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Speaker 3: And I had met and fallen in love in nineteen

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Speaker 4: Damn, how crazy is that?

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Speaker 1: So wait, you're telling me that the current president has

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Speaker 4: I am saying, I am saying that very thing.

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Speaker 2: He's done this before.

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Speaker 4: You never know what I am telling you that, And

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Speaker 1: Today, folks, I've been saying this, all right, well that's

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Speaker 1: and we appreciate you all continuing to listen. We continue

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Speaker 1: to do these because we do know that you are listening,

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Speaker 1: and we appreciate you coming us.

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Speaker 4: All right, I'm Amy Robot and on behalf of my

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Speaker 3: Have a wonderful Tuesday, everybody. She the Tcherna