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Speaker 1: Wow, what is up? Welcome to another edition of the

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Speaker 1: NFL Fantasy Football Show. It's me your man, nam G

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Speaker 1: Marcus Grant. You know the deal is still masking and

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Speaker 1: socially distancing when and where necessary. Joined as always by

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Speaker 1: Michael f Florio and UH our producer Stephen Manny, and

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Speaker 1: we have i'd say a special guest, but you know,

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Speaker 1: you know her, you love her. She's been here plenty

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Speaker 1: of times before. It's the one and only Kimmy checks.

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Speaker 1: Kimmy first to you. How are you feeling? I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: say on this Monday, but it's Tuesday. How are you

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Speaker 1: feeling on this Tuesday? Right now? I'm amazing because the

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Speaker 1: Chiefs are going back to the Super Bowl two years

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Speaker 1: in a row. I think Florida is a really good

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Speaker 1: spot for us. We dominated in Miami last year. I

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Speaker 1: think we're going to dominate Tom Brady at home in

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Speaker 1: Tamba this year. So I'm feeling good as always. I

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Speaker 1: feel like every time I gone here, I try to

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Speaker 1: wrap something in Kansas City. So lovely Tuesday because we

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Speaker 1: have Patrick Mahomes so all right, So, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: know you were on the other side of that. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: although I know you said last week you felt like

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Speaker 1: the Bills were playing with house money. So now that

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Speaker 1: you have a little bit of distance from what happened

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Speaker 1: on Sunday, how are you feeling about about how the

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Speaker 1: season went down? Yeah? I know I said that all

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Speaker 1: week markets but when the game starts and the Bills

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Speaker 1: and and I was really sitting there like it. It

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Speaker 1: would be so fitting if the Bills make these Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl and the only thing in their way is Tom Brady,

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Speaker 1: because it would just be the last two decades over again.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't meant to be. I would have loved the

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Speaker 1: Chiefs too, allowed the Bills to have that one because

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Speaker 1: we did give them Patrick Mahomes um. But it just

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Speaker 1: feels like the Bills are are close. Patrick Mahomes kind

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Speaker 1: of spoiled people getting there in year two. But it

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Speaker 1: feels like it's gonna be one of those things that

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Speaker 1: the Bills can ever get over that hump that is

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs. Maybe they can win a Super Bowl. I

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Speaker 1: would think for Bill fans, I need to look. Obviously

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Speaker 1: there there's reason to be optimistic. Things look great, But

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Speaker 1: the frustrating part is though Uh, you have a quarterback

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Speaker 1: in your division who's young and isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

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Speaker 1: So you know, for all the great stuff Josh Allen

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Speaker 1: and that team could potentially accomplish. Um, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's you know whatever, pick your NBA analogy, right,

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Speaker 1: it's Charles Barkley never getting past Michael Jordan's. It's you know,

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Speaker 1: with Kad and Steph. How they can go from being

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Speaker 1: down fifteen to up fifteen in like a blink of

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Speaker 1: an eye. That was fun. I will tell you, as

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Speaker 1: Before we get to our exit interviews, because we're going

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Speaker 1: to continue with those as we get through teams one

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Speaker 1: I did it right. Um, No, maybe I didn't do

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Speaker 1: it right. Whatever, we have four more teams, that's the

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Speaker 1: I want to get our producer, Steve in here, because

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Speaker 1: every week we kind of we do the chronicles of

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Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions with Steve Um And the latest big

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Speaker 1: news with the Lions is that Matthew Stafford and the

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Speaker 1: team have decided, after all these years, to finally part ways.

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Speaker 1: And you said, you said you have a prepared statement

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Speaker 1: an era in in Detroit. I'm curious what you think

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Speaker 1: that that this means or how you're feeling about it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it hasn't just been a wild week for Matt Stafford

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Speaker 1: a lot of feelings, a lot of emotions, a lot

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Speaker 1: actually prepared a poem, um and bear with me. It

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Speaker 1: I think it can really summarize how Lions fans feel. Um.

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Speaker 1: It's entitled get Lost Matt Stafford. They're with me here,

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Speaker 1: Get lost Matt Stafford and take your franchise records with you.

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Speaker 1: We like draft picks here in Detroit and have progress.

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Speaker 1: We must review the tanking process started years ago That's

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Speaker 1: why we sacked Jim Caldwell. There's not enough losing with

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Speaker 1: a level head. We need to get to football. Hell,

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Speaker 1: Matt Patricia didn't win, perhaps because he was a brainiac.

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Speaker 1: Now we have Damn Campbell, a regular knee biting maniac,

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Speaker 1: the crew, he's like the team seventh running back coach.

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Speaker 1: We'll just outsmart the league with that eight headed back approach.

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Speaker 1: So get lost, Matt Stafford. We really do not need you.

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Speaker 1: Will find a new QB to give fans hope before

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Speaker 1: we give this whole story another redoing. Thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I was really hoping you had some knee some knee

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Speaker 1: jokes in there. That was that was impressive. You are

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Speaker 1: guy who's crying but has the happy face mask on

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Speaker 1: like that, because look, I look, I get it man,

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Speaker 1: that Stafford gave you guys a lot for a lot

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Speaker 1: I understand it. Um, it's a sick little process and

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Speaker 1: how it goes. So why not double down? Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: makes perfect sense, all right, Thank you Sneve. That that

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Speaker 1: We are picked five through because we're almost near the

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Speaker 1: end here, I can do maths. This is our seventh

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Speaker 1: exit interview session seven times four. It's twenty eight. I

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Speaker 1: can do this. Um, So let's start at number twenty five.

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Speaker 1: It would normally belong that pick would normally belong to

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Speaker 1: the Jaguars. Then the less we've already talked about the Jaguars,

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about your Los Angeles Rams. They were

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Speaker 1: think of what was good. I guess Robert Woods, and

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Speaker 1: Robert Woods was really good this year. UM. Beyond that, Kimmy,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if there's anything that you saw fantasy

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Speaker 1: really confusing for all of us in fantasy football regarding

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Speaker 1: We saw Malcolm Brown, we saw Kim Akers, we saw

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Speaker 1: the latter half of this season, we saw that it

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of people are like, oh, did

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Speaker 1: he reaches Ceilian was just was this just his one,

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Speaker 1: I think Sean McVeigh is going to have trust in

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Speaker 1: Like you said, you thought that Bobby Trees was great,

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Speaker 1: also hope that the that the passing game improves, right,

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Speaker 1: we need to see more of Cooper Cup, We need

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Speaker 1: we also need Jared Goff to make those connections with

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Speaker 1: be some offseason headaches and some things that the Rams

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Speaker 1: cam Akers heading into next year because I think he

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Speaker 1: I think he is too. I do. I think because

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of people that were excited the

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Speaker 1: um and so maybe maybe we can officially retire his

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Speaker 1: full given name, which is cam Akers, who ran behind

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Speaker 1: a bad line and offensive bad offensive line in Florida State. UM.

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Speaker 1: I I wonder whether or not, uh, Sean McVeigh will

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Speaker 1: could see Acres maybe getting two hundred and fifty two

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Speaker 1: go well, and Kimmy, I think you sort of touched

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Speaker 1: to be the case for a lot of people. I

429
00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:56,960
Speaker 1: think his ADP is going to be a lot higher

430
00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,000
Speaker 1: than that. I think he's gonna be another one of

431
00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:00,880
Speaker 1: those guys and maybe I should be making a list

432
00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:02,880
Speaker 1: that keeping track of a list. He'll be another one

433
00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,720
Speaker 1: of those fantasy roar Shack tests right where you look

434
00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:07,679
Speaker 1: at the ink blots and you will see whatever it

435
00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:09,680
Speaker 1: is you want to see. And for those people who

436
00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,040
Speaker 1: are um, who who love Oben although Beckham Jr. And

437
00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,800
Speaker 1: who think about his ceiling, they might be willing to

438
00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:17,399
Speaker 1: kind of take that reach and get him in the

439
00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,200
Speaker 1: fifth round. For those folks who maybe you're like you, Kimmy,

440
00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,400
Speaker 1: who have been burned, or who just don't like him

441
00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,320
Speaker 1: for you know, I don't know, pick your reason. Um,

442
00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,840
Speaker 1: they're gonna say that, you know what, he's been hurt. Uh,

443
00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,840
Speaker 1: he's underperformed, and they're gonna let him fall. So I

444
00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:32,879
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be one of those interesting pieces to

445
00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,520
Speaker 1: talk about in the off season. UM. And I don't

446
00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,040
Speaker 1: know that we're gonna come to a real true consensus

447
00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,240
Speaker 1: on O B J. And it's you know, it's always

448
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,040
Speaker 1: be something interesting to talk about for the next you know,

449
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,520
Speaker 1: five or six months or something like that. Um, all right,

450
00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,840
Speaker 1: So that moves us to pick number twenties seven, and

451
00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,240
Speaker 1: that is the Baltimore Ravens. I guess we're sort of

452
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,320
Speaker 1: standing in the division. There were the Baltimore Ravens. They

453
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:56,359
Speaker 1: were eleven and five, and they had some ups and downs,

454
00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,800
Speaker 1: they had some lulls this season. I would say that

455
00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:01,960
Speaker 1: what was good for them is what is always good

456
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:06,600
Speaker 1: for them. It's the running game. Although Florio's gonna start

457
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,000
Speaker 1: with you. I mean that the running game was good,

458
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,680
Speaker 1: but it was also frustrating, is anything, because we could

459
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:14,160
Speaker 1: never really hang our hat on one guy, at least,

460
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 1: you know, one guy not named Lamar Jackson. We couldn't

461
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,239
Speaker 1: hang our hat on one running back all season long

462
00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,879
Speaker 1: because that's just the way they operate. Yeah, it was

463
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 1: beyond frustrating, especially because you look at nineteen and you

464
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 1: see that. All right. Yeah, they did have Gus Edwards

465
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,240
Speaker 1: and they got him involved, but mark Ingram was a

466
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,399
Speaker 1: lead back there and he was an RB one because

467
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,679
Speaker 1: running alongside Lamar Jackson, who just to give him credit,

468
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:40,640
Speaker 1: in NFL history, coming into the season, one quarterback could

469
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 1: ever rush for a thousand yards, it was Michael Vick.

470
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 1: Lamar has done it two years in a row now,

471
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 1: so he is just a an absolute freak um. But

472
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,359
Speaker 1: because he didn't runs so much, you don't really get

473
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 1: the high passing game numbers. So at least the good

474
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,719
Speaker 1: thing was we were getting running back usage out of him.

475
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,360
Speaker 1: But this past year, with it being all three of them,

476
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 1: that was is not the case until late in the

477
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 1: year where they finally realized that mark Ingram is on

478
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 1: team washed and they started and then Gus Edwards and J. K.

479
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,439
Speaker 1: Dobbins were fantasy relevant, which is what I'm hoping for

480
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:18,119
Speaker 1: next year. It hurts my soul to hear that, because

481
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 1: I I'm not saying you're wrong. It just I came

482
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 1: into the season thinking that there was one more good

483
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 1: year left for mark Ingram. Uh and that I guess

484
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 1: it just wasn't the case. Um alright, So, Kimmy, if

485
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 1: we have to accept that mark Ingram is on Team Washed,

486
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,640
Speaker 1: does this mean does this mean we're all We're all

487
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 1: in on on JK. Dobbins next year? Uh? Yeah, I would.

488
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,920
Speaker 1: I would have to say, how so, because, like Floria

489
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,879
Speaker 1: pointed out, if you look back to what was thatteen season,

490
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 1: mark Ingram was that dude alongside Lamar Jackson. Now with

491
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,159
Speaker 1: mark Ingram out of the picture, no longer being a

492
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 1: Baltimore Raven, it's going to be j K. Dobbins. I

493
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 1: can still see Gus Edwards getting some usage, but you know,

494
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 1: I think Dobbins is going to have r V one

495
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 1: like numbers because is of that upside that comes alongside

496
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 1: plane with Lamar Jackson. I cannot believe you guys called

497
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:06,919
Speaker 1: him Team Watched. You know what I think is going

498
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 1: to happen bold prediction. Let's like mark this down. I'm

499
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 1: going to write this down in my calendar so that

500
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 1: I can revisit this and we can find this recording.

501
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 1: Mark Ingram is going to go get signed by another

502
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: NFL team and watch him be Fantasy relevant yet again

503
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: and have RB one numbers. I'm not crazy. I'm rooting

504
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 1: for it. I swear it's going to happen. I don't

505
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,479
Speaker 1: know exactly what team is going to pick him up,

506
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,439
Speaker 1: but he's going to get picked up. And then Florida,

507
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to eat your words because Washed. I

508
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 1: would I like mark Ingram, but this was a bad

509
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess if you look at it from

510
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 1: a Team washstandpoint, it was a good year for adding

511
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 1: running backs because I feel like Levan Bell, Todd Gurley,

512
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 1: they all, they all got added to that team. I'm

513
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,439
Speaker 1: gonna make a note like I'm gonna I'm so, I

514
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 1: have two things I need to I need to get

515
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 1: my fantasy Rorshach tests. I'm writing this down right now,

516
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 1: my Fantasy Rorshach tests and Team Washed. So guys, guys

517
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 1: maybe to avoid because they're gonna be on Team Washed

518
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: next year. So um, all right, Uh, it's definitely too

519
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: soon to say that Markus Brown is washed. But um,

520
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: when when your nickname is Hollywood and at some point

521
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 1: during the season people are referring to you with van eyes,

522
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 1: things aren't necessarily going well. But he did turn it

523
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 1: around late in the season. Some of it was the

524
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 1: way they used him. They had him sort of running

525
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 1: things other than just you know, go routes the whole

526
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 1: time and try to hit him on deep shots. Um, So, Floria,

527
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: are we buying the late season, late season surge for

528
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 1: Marquis Brown or is this just kind of a circumstance thing.

529
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 1: I'll start up by saying I was huge on the

530
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: Marquis Brown hype train heading into the season because I

531
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: thought season was a wash for him. He came into

532
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 1: the year at the Combine, he had a foot injury

533
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: and basically he had a plate put into his foot

534
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 1: at the end of the college football season. It was

535
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: scheduled to be taken out at the start of the

536
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,640
Speaker 1: NFL season, and he said, I'm to play my first

537
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: year through it. Said. It really really slowed him down

538
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: and hampered him. So I thought, a finally healthy Marquis Brown,

539
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 1: the sky was the limit with him and that running

540
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: game there that you have to put all that attention

541
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: to He's just gonna burn people one on one. And

542
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: then the first half of the season was the Hollywood,

543
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: Florida part of the season. The second half was the Hollywood,

544
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 1: California part. And I am buying into that second part

545
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: of the season because they finally started to throw him

546
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: the ball more. They got him more involved, and I

547
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 1: like that. It was a little bit more creativity getting

548
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 1: him the ball. It wasn't just Art streak down the

549
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: sideline and We'll have Lamar throw it up to you,

550
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 1: because they were doing solely that in the beginning of

551
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: the year, and Lamar just wasn't connecting on those deep balls.

552
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: It wasn't like he wasn't getting open or creating separation

553
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: or anything. I think that what we saw in the

554
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,679
Speaker 1: second half was the start of the breakout from Marquis

555
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 1: Brown that we were anticipating at the beginning of the year.

556
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 1: It just took a little bit longer to to get started.

557
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,199
Speaker 1: So then, Jimmy, do you think we're gonna leave at

558
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,679
Speaker 1: least get silver Lake Brown? You know, if not, if

559
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: not full Hollywood even twenty has changed you. The shade

560
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 1: today it was like the nicest guy in the world.

561
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: By the way, the fact that he called mark ingram

562
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: Walk Hollywood Brown was on a Hollywood, Florida type thing.

563
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: I didn't even I didn't even know this existence. Um,

564
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 1: but okay, I don't even remember the question, Oh do

565
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: I believe in Hollywood Brown? Is that what you're asking? Right?

566
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 1: This is real? I don't know, because, like Floria said,

567
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 1: there was a lot of a lot of hype with

568
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: him heading into this season. He finally got healthy regarding

569
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,959
Speaker 1: that ankle injury. He put on what like twenty pounds

570
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 1: are like the COVID nineteen of pure muffle. He was

571
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,719
Speaker 1: ready to play NFL football. And then he had a

572
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 1: few decent weeks and I don't the first five weeks

573
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: of the season. I think he had double digit fantasy

574
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 1: points and three of those first five games, then he

575
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 1: went on a complete roll, and then weeks twelve through fifteen,

576
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: finally we saw a resurgence of those double digit fantasy

577
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: points and three consecutive games with a receiving touchdown. All

578
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 1: of that to say, I don't know if I'm buying

579
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 1: in yet, because how this is like the same with

580
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: O b J and so many incredible receivers. There's all

581
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: this hype. You see these flashes of upside and then

582
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: there's this huge lull. So no, I I don't know.

583
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: I don't think because I don't want to be like

584
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:17,719
Speaker 1: you guys today. I'm really shade, you know, I know,

585
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: I know I can't. I can't, but I think I

586
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: am throwing some shade at Hollywood Broun. But maybe this

587
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 1: will hype him up, and you guys can think me

588
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 1: later because he watches this podcast and he's gonna be

589
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: really upset and ball out. I think of it as

590
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 1: not a shade, but as a motivational technique. You know.

591
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: That's that's what it is, right. But I think it's

592
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 1: interesting that you said said Odell, because you know, I'm

593
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: sort of thinking, right, if I'm sitting there in the

594
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: fifth round, in the sixth round, maybe I feel better

595
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 1: about it. I just I tend to be kind of

596
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: a skeptic, right, Like I've missed out on guys occasionally

597
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 1: because I just am not sure if they can sort

598
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: of do it again. I look at this offense and

599
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: they still want to be run heavy next year. I

600
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 1: also do think I think Mark Andrews sort of bounces

601
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: back from what was kind of rough year. For him

602
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 1: at times. I don't think he was as productive as

603
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: we wanted him to be. I think he had a

604
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,959
Speaker 1: lot of drops. He had drops in some big Island games.

605
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 1: And I think Floria, you and I might have talked

606
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,239
Speaker 1: about this early in the season, that um, he had

607
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: some drops. I think there was a Monday night game

608
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: or a Sunday night game where he dropped a number

609
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 1: of passes and everybody was like, oh no, what's wrong

610
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: with Mark Andrews. And I was sort of like, well,

611
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 1: if he had done this, like on a Sunday morning

612
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: when they were like six other games, like, we wouldn't

613
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: have noticed it as much. But this was the only

614
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: game on and we're watching it, and so we all

615
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: sort of, you know, overreact a little bit. But I

616
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: just I think that there is at least a little

617
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: bit of a ceiling on Marquis Brown. I think at best,

618
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: he's you know, I think it pie in the sky.

619
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: He's a low end wide receiver one. But I think

620
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: more realistically he's probably a wide receiver too, simply because

621
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: I think the constraints of the of the offense that

622
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: they've run in Baltimore is going to sort of, you know,

623
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: kind of keep him back a little bit. But UM,

624
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: you know, if it means we can we can stop

625
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: with the North Hollywood jokes or something like that, then uh,

626
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: you know it's all for the better, all for the

627
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: better next year. UM. Our last team that we've got

628
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: in this round of exit interviews number twenty eight and

629
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: maybe in a lot of ways, the most intriguing, UH

630
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: is the New Orleans Saints. They were twelve and four. UM.

631
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: Obviously a frustrating loss for them in the playoffs to

632
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: the Buccaneers at home. And look, I know we don't

633
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: do the what's good, what's not, what's not good? But

634
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: I feel like this whole conversation is really going to

635
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: revolve around the quarterback spot. UM as we sit here

636
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: and record this podcast right now, Drew Brees has not

637
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: officially said if he's going to retire. That is these

638
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: heavy speculation that he has played his last game in

639
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: the NFL after a long, illustrious, soon to be Hall

640
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: of Fame career. UM, but I mean, Kimmy, how how

641
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Speaker 1: much does it we were you? Because Florida and I

642
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Speaker 1: have talked about this, so I want to get your

643
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Speaker 1: thoughts on this. How much does this were you for?

644
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: Guys like Alvin Kamara for instance, Uh, if there is

645
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Speaker 1: no Drew Brees, well, if there's no Drew Brees but

646
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Speaker 1: there is a Tasom Hill, then we have to be

647
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: worried because we see what happened when Taysom Hill was

648
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Speaker 1: the starting quarterback when Drew Brees was out with those

649
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: rib injuries in this season. Alvin Kimer like, because I

650
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: was in my head thinking, Okay, Marcus is going to

651
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: ask me what was good for the Saints in Alvin

652
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: Kimara was the shiny star for the Saint not only

653
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Speaker 1: because what he did in the run game, but because

654
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Speaker 1: also what he did in the passing game. Because Michael

655
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: Thomas missed substantial amount of time this season, Alvin Kimara was.

656
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: Drew Brees is guy both through the air and on

657
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,959
Speaker 1: the run game itself. Right, That's not the case with

658
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Speaker 1: Taysom Hill. Obviously, we don't know exactly who's going to

659
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Speaker 1: be the starting quarterback if Drew Brees is to retire. However,

660
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: we do know that Sean Payne loves Taysom Hill, so

661
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: all of our spidy sinses start to go off to say,

662
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Speaker 1: maybe Taysom Hill is that guy. If Taysom Hill is

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Speaker 1: the starting quarterback, and we we even had this conversation

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Speaker 1: right before the fan See season ended. Marcus, does that

665
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Speaker 1: make Alvin Kamara drop out of the first round. I

666
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: don't think it does, but I think he drops out

667
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Speaker 1: of the top five. I think if if Taysom Hill

668
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Speaker 1: is the quarterback, um, then we're looking at Kimara. I

669
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Speaker 1: would put him somewhere eight to ten UM something like that,

670
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: because I just think the the talent is too much

671
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Speaker 1: and I still think the opportunity is going to be there,

672
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: but that touchdown upside comes down. I think, you know,

673
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Speaker 1: if it is Taysom Hill, those targets come down significantly. UM.

674
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Speaker 1: But I still think he does have RB one potential,

675
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Speaker 1: But I'm not I'm not paying a top five overall

676
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Speaker 1: draft price to get Alvin Kimara. UM. So then with

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Speaker 1: that said, uh, you know, look Florida, maybe it is

678
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Speaker 1: Taysom Hill. The Saints are sort of looking at salary

679
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: cap hell, right, they they've got a lot of money spent.

680
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: They don't have a whole lot of room to wiggle.

681
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Speaker 1: They even gave Taston Hill a huge contract that I

682
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Speaker 1: don't know that they can duplicate because of their financial situation.

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Speaker 1: Um so if we're going pie in the sky though, right,

684
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Speaker 1: let's just say money is not an object and the

685
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: Saints can do whatever they want. Uh, who do you

686
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: want as quarterback? Is it? Is it? Tasso? It is? It? Is? It?

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Speaker 1: Is it? Jamis? Uh? Is it is it? Do they

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Speaker 1: maybe make a play for Matt Stafford? I mean who

689
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Speaker 1: who fits this offense for them? So? I know Kimmy

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Speaker 1: Ada w once earlier this year and she might have

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Speaker 1: to again. Yeah, because because I think Jamie's right, like

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00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: he would be so much fun. And it's funny because

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Speaker 1: the two while you are asking the quotes and the

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Speaker 1: two names that popped in my head where Jamis and

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Speaker 1: Matt Stafford. I even think Ryan Fitzpatrick would kind of

696
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Speaker 1: be like the poor man there that could get it done.

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Speaker 1: Because I just want a quarterback that I know is

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00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: gonna air the ball out, it's gonna throw it a

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00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: bunch to Alvin Comara, that it's going to throw it

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Speaker 1: a bunch to Michael Thomas and kind of get tunnel

701
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: vision on his top fantasy options. And that is what

702
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: Drew Brees has done for so long with the offense

703
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Speaker 1: running through those two players. And that's what I think

704
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: Winston would do. Fitz he would do Stafford so but

705
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Speaker 1: with Taysom Hill, then it would be the exact opposite.

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Speaker 1: He'll throw me with two hundred and fifty yards a

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Speaker 1: game and just run the ball the whole time. He's

708
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: gonna vulture those rushing touchdowns away from Alvin Kamara. So

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00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: to me, like it's night and day between which quarterback

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Speaker 1: we get, And I personally think it will be Taysom

711
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Speaker 1: Hill because Sean Paynton has just shown us so much

712
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: throughout the years that he believes in this guy and

713
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: wants to get him every opportunity to succeed in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: So I think he's going to give him the first opportunity.

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Speaker 1: But hopefully they have Winston as a backup or one

716
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Speaker 1: of those players who can throw the ball really well,

717
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Speaker 1: because I think that, obviously for fantasy, would be the

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Speaker 1: best case scenario. Can we also not say interruption markets?

719
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Speaker 1: Can we also talk about the fact why did they

720
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Speaker 1: not let Jamis Winston play more football? Like there are

721
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: so many opportunities where it's like put Jamis Winston in

722
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: and it wasn't it. There was like the meme where

723
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: he's standing on the sideline with his Microsoft Surface crown

724
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Speaker 1: of the NFL and it was like he looked up

725
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: and he I don't even remember what the play was

726
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: or why he made that face, but that was be

727
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: the face that I would have all season long if

728
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Speaker 1: I was Jamis. How do I go from being a

729
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: starting quarterback? Understanding that I threw a lot of interceptions

730
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 1: but I had to get my eyes dilated. I you know,

731
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: I figured it all out, but how do you put

732
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: me in in that offense? Have Drew Brees go down

733
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Speaker 1: and then just have Taysom Hill run the ball and

734
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Speaker 1: throw the ball, but mostly run the ball even though

735
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: he's a quarterback, Like why what was going on with

736
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: that trumpagne? It was a huge Twitter discussion for weeks

737
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Speaker 1: on end. I mean, when Breeze went down mid season

738
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Speaker 1: with the injury, there were there was a lot of

739
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: head scratching on how does that Taysom Hill is going

740
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Speaker 1: to be named the starter? I mean, look, I remember

741
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: when when Breeze went down and everybody was clamoring like, hey,

742
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: go get Jamis off the waiver wire, like this is

743
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 1: gonna be Jamie's time. And then a couple of days

744
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: into the week, it was oh hey, by the way,

745
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill starting, We're like what um. And I think

746
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: some of that calmed down because he was what he

747
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: was three and one, I think as the starter, Taysom Hill,

748
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,280
Speaker 1: or actually say the Saints were three and one. Uh,

749
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: when Taysom Hill was starting, I don't want the QB win,

750
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: the people to get mad at me and start, you know,

751
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: flooding my mentions. Um. And so I think that sort

752
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: of calmed down some of the conversation. Uh. I was

753
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: also a little bit struck as to why Sean Payton.

754
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: Maybe he didn't make the move in the playoffs to

755
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: go to to Jamis um and maybe maybe this was

756
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: a respect thing. That all. That's all I can think. Right,

757
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: you have a quarterback that you suspect is probably going

758
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: to be his last game in the league. Um, you know,

759
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: maybe you let him finish that thing out, even though

760
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: it was rough against Tampa Bay with with the interceptions.

761
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe he just wanted to give Breeze the respect

762
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: of finishing this thing out regardless of how it plays out.

763
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: But the one pass that Jamis threw in that game

764
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: was great. They ran a trick play. He threw a

765
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: lot of touchdown uh, you know, and so it does

766
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: sort of make me wonder why they didn't why they

767
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: didn't do that. But UM, completely agree he it should

768
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: have been Winston in the second half against the Bucks.

769
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,439
Speaker 1: The revenge narrative and everything was there, first of all.

770
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: And then also he's just the better throwing quarterback of

771
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Speaker 1: the two. I mean, especially when you're you're down and

772
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: you're trying to come back, Like, why not get the

773
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: guy who can throw the football more effectively? I don't know. Um,

774
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 1: we'll see. We'll see what they do with the quarterback

775
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: spot next year and whether that makes it okay. So

776
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: now what I want to know for both of you

777
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: and Kimmy, I'll start with you. Um, it was not

778
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: a great year for Michael Thomas. He was injured for

779
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: a big portion of it, didn't really do much when

780
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: he was on the field. Are you knowing how you

781
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: feel about say Odell Beckham Jr. Who has burned you before?

782
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: Are you willing to let bygones be bygones if Michael

783
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: Thomas is healthy? Guys, hot take because I love Michael

784
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: Thomas and I loved him back in twenty nine. Huge

785
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: lofty expectations for him in but the injuries were there,

786
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: there was some disciplinary action, and just kind of some

787
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: drama happening with him in the Saints. All of that

788
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: being said, I think he dropped to an early second

789
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: round pick. I don't think that's a hot take. I

790
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: don't think that's a hot take at all. I don't know,

791
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: but no it is because no it is because I

792
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: mean in Twitter, I mean, someone's gonna come at me

793
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,720
Speaker 1: and like you're so dumb, you don't know anything about football. Listen,

794
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: First of all, I know plenty about football. That's why

795
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 1: I have this shop. Second of all, I don't care

796
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: you anyway. You don't have to justify yourself here on

797
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: this show. We know I'm I'm I'm happy, I'm positive.

798
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: I don't respond to trolls, all that good stuff, you know.

799
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Speaker 1: But the thing is, someone's always going to make an

800
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: argument for why Michael Thomas should be a first round

801
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: fantasy wide receiver. I probably would have made that argument

802
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: if he did have a decent season, and even if

803
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: there was this controversy on who's going to be the

804
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: quarterback for the Saints in however, I just don't think

805
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen. I would look at other guys. Look

806
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: at Davante Adams, look at Tyree Kill, look at Stefon

807
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: dig There's so many other wide receivers who have these

808
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: guaranteed connections with the quarterbacks already existing on their team

809
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: that I think you can make way better of a

810
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: case for those guys above someone like Michael Thomas. So

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Speaker 1: I do think he's definitely going to drop in the

812
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: second round because if we're having this conversation about about

813
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara, who was still a top fantasy running back

814
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: even with Taysom Hill this season, that means we would

815
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: still have the same conversation. Uh, in regards to Michael Thomas,

816
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: I mean you're feeling the same way. Florio. Yeah, I

817
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: don't think he's the first round pick this year. I Uh,

818
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's a top five wide receiver

819
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: this year because it all depends on who the quarterback is.

820
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: Is it. If it's Taysom Hill, he will not be

821
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: in my top five. If it is Breeze or Winston

822
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: or Stafford or one of those guys. Maybe, But borderline

823
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: because I agree with the names that Kenny said, like

824
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 1: Davante Adams, I think is no questions. Actually wide receiver

825
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 1: one going into next year. Then I'd rather have Stefon Diggs.

826
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: Like Kimmy said, uh who there was another one, um,

827
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill. Yes, Tyreek Hill is my wide receiver too.

828
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: I would even put DeAndre Hopkins because of the connection

829
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: that he showed with Kyler Murray, who I think is

830
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: a better quarterback than Michael Thomas will have throwing him

831
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Speaker 1: the ball. So I think five is probably where I

832
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: start to consider Thomas, and knowing how I least as

833
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: of today, and knowing how running back heavy the first

834
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: round is likely to be. I I agree with Himmy,

835
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be second round pick next year.

836
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:09,879
Speaker 1: All right, So then I'm gonna put you guys both

837
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 1: on the spot here. Uh see Michael Thomas or Justin Jefferson.

838
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: The silence both of our eyes got big. We were like, oh,

839
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's a good one to Maybe Justin Jefferson.

840
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: If it's Taysom Hill, I'll go Justin Jefferson. If it's

841
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: Breeze or Winston, I'll go I'll go Michael Thomas. I

842
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: like that. I like that. I mean that's fair. Okay,

843
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: you have to be put on the spot. You can't

844
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 1: just put us on the spot. I mean, I can't

845
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: I'm the host, but I will answer. Okay, No, I

846
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: think I'm Lovin Ridley. Calvin Ridley easily over Thomas for me,

847
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: I think, I think, but I think I might even

848
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: go Justin Jefferson over Thomas regardless of the quarterback. I

849
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: just I don't know. Um, I feel like I feel

850
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: like this Thomas Breze connection was sort of a singular thing.

851
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: It was sort of a special moment in time. Um.

852
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: And I don't know that the offense or Michael Thomas's

853
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: role in it looks the same without Drew Brees there.

854
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: So I think either way, I think I might go

855
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson. Um, yeah, what about the guy in your shirt, Julio,

856
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: I think I probably go. I think like I go

857
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas over Julio Jones because I just think, and

858
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: not by much. Um, you know, I don't think by

859
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: much at all. But I think I think Calvin Ridley

860
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: really has taken over um in that as the number

861
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,919
Speaker 1: one they're in Atlanta, and so yeah, I go Michael

862
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: Thomas over Julio Jones. Today this is a spicy Tuesday,

863
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,919
Speaker 1: I like, um, which which sort of leads me because

864
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: now that we're we've done our our these four teams,

865
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,959
Speaker 1: we have four more that will finish up on Thursday show.

866
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: We'll get us all the way to thirty two. Um.

867
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: But the last thing, speaking of Michael Thomas, I don't

868
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: know if if you guys saw the Twitter feud going

869
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: on between he and Carlton Davis. Um when after after

870
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: the Bucks beat the Saints, Carlton Davis, the cornerback for

871
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: the Buccaneers, went on Twitter and called Michael Thomas slant boy,

872
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: which obviously got a lot of traction. Um. You know, like, look,

873
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: and I know it's I know He's not the only

874
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: one that feels that way. I know there are a

875
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: lot of dbs, especially in the division, that just sort

876
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: of feel like that's all he does is runs slants.

877
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: I'm not here to judge. I'm just telling you. Uh So,

878
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: Carlton Davis called him slant boy. Then on Sunday during

879
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: the NFC Championship game, Davante Adams beat Davis on a

880
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: slant for a touchdown, and Michael Thomas obviously had things

881
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 1: to say about that on Twitter. Uh and throw a

882
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: little shade in Davis's way after the game, though, after

883
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: Tampa had one. The response came back and I will

884
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: read it for you verbatim. At can't guard Mike. I

885
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: bodied you three games in a row, low dude, and

886
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: cover one. Goofball and I'm a dog a little asting

887
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 1: and next year, so you better work on them routes.

888
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: Oh man, um, goofball? You know the little boy is

889
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: like the most disrespectful part, that little little dude, and goofball? Man,

890
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 1: Like just just heat. But so now I started to think, Um,

891
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: so you've got you have the Carlton Davis versus Michael

892
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: Thomas rivalry on one side. On the other side, you've

893
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 1: got Marshawn Lattimore for the Saints, who has shut down

894
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: Mike Evans. And so that's kind of become a rivalry.

895
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: So suddenly Saints Bucks is kind of of a legit rivalry.

896
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: And so it made me wonder for you guys, just

897
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: we can go all across sports, don't just have to

898
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: be the NFL, Like, what is the best rivalry going

899
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:46,919
Speaker 1: right now? And maybe it's a team or a couple

900
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: of teams, maybe it's just a couple of individuals, but

901
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: for your money, what is the best rivalry out there

902
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: at the moment um. Is there a great robbery going

903
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: in sports right now? I don't even know what sort

904
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: of thing I like, I was trying to think, like

905
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 1: I didn't know if I I didn't really have one.

906
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: I didn't know if maybe you guys had one, Like

907
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: Steve says, he's got a couple, So like, let's get

908
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: Steve in here, because, uh, because I was really kind

909
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: of struggling to come up with what's a great rivalry

910
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: right now? What do you got? So? I think the

911
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: definition of what a rivalry has changed a little bit.

912
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,399
Speaker 1: I think a rivalry is really discussed by folks like us.

913
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 1: Maybe it doesn't so much occur on the field, per se.

914
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: I would say the best one in football right now? Uh,

915
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: is gonna be Tom Brady first, Bill Belichick. It's a

916
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: chicken in the egg situation. Who won those Super Bowls

917
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: in New England? Was it Brady? Was it Belichick? Right now?

918
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: It looks like it was Brady, But then he goes

919
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: and throws three interceptions at the end of the game.

920
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: Maybe it was the rest team around him in another

921
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: year to figure it out. Really good discussion for I

922
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: would say the rest of you, that's my favorite one

923
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: in the league right now. I feel like if if

924
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: Brady wins in two weeks, then I feel like a

925
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: lot of people I feel like this rival is gonna

926
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 1: get one sided. You know, if if Brady goes out

927
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: and wins the super Bowl in a couple of weeks

928
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: and Belichick didn't even make the playoffs, I feel like

929
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 1: a lot of people will kind of close that case.

930
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: But that's an interesting one I think to kind of

931
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: keep an eye on. Um. The other one I have

932
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: is the Detroit Lions versus the former Detroit Lions players,

933
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: and there Ran Darius lay Quandre Diggs could keep going.

934
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: I mean, look, if the Lions have one thing going

935
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: for them is that you guys seem to find a

936
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: way to make great players retire in their prime, which

937
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 1: is really hard actually, But yeah, I feel like rivalry

938
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: is sort of they don't exist quite as much anymore.

939
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: The Chiefs are going to be a part of the

940
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: next great one. I don't know who I'm gonna say,

941
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: Like growing up growing up as a Chiefs fan, Like

942
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think, because I had season tickets right up,

943
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: so I'd always go to our home games and even

944
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,959
Speaker 1: go to some away games, and I feel like Chief

945
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,439
Speaker 1: Raiders was always like the most contentious rivalry that we had.

946
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: And even looking at the only loss that Patrick Mahomes

947
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: has had in the last games he started was against

948
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 1: Derek Carr and the Raiders at home in Kansas City.

949
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: So maybe that's it. But I mean, I don't know.

950
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: That's a good question. It's interesting to see who the

951
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: next rivalry would be. But I think what Flora was

952
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: going to say, it's kind of very much like Tom Brady,

953
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 1: But I think Patrick Mahomes is more likable than Tom

954
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: Brady Bias probably, but whatever, I'm a big leader that

955
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: people are going to turn on. I was gonna say,

956
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a thing where everyone's like,

957
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: I'm tired of hearing about the Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes, Like,

958
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: give somebody else a shot in the a f C.

959
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, I would say that the Raiders were

960
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: I think everybody's most hated team in the a f

961
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,240
Speaker 1: C West. I think if you talk to Chiefs fans,

962
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: Chargers fans, Broncos fans, um, yeah, like they all sort

963
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: of dislike each other, but they all really hate the Raiders.

964
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: Their fans are so intense, Like I remember being a

965
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: little kid going to it was like in Joplin, Missouri,

966
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: like the middle of nowhere Missouri, to go to the

967
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: Chiefs training camps, and every single time that there was

968
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: an open training camp, Raiders fans would come and just

969
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: like give us hell. And I remember being like five

970
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: years old and be like, mommy, Daddy, why are they

971
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: so mean? And it's like why, like, what's the point

972
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: of that? Why would you show up to somebody else's

973
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: training camp just to be a meeting. It's because historically

974
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: the Raiders have bought into and played up being the villain.

975
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: I mean, they wear black, they are pirates, they have

976
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: an I patch. Like, they've really played into this whole thing.

977
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you had an owner, Al Davis, who enjoyed

978
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: being the villain, who enjoyed antagonizing. Look. Al Davis has

979
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: sued the NFL, you know, he sued them so many times.

980
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: It was just kind of his go to thing, and

981
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: the fans have really played into that. And you know,

982
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: it's funny. I remember when I first moved to Los Angeles, uh,

983
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: you know, in in the fall of was a timid,

984
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: seventeen year old freshman at USC and the Raiders were

985
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: still playing at the l A Coliseum at the time,

986
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,479
Speaker 1: and I thought to myself, Hey, man, this is gonna

987
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 1: be cool. Like I can walk over to the coliseum,

988
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 1: I can go to Raiders game. It's gonna be great.

989
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: And again, being a timid seventeen year old freshman, that

990
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 1: first Sunday of the NFL season, I remember looking at

991
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: my dorm window at the Raiders fans who parked on

992
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: our campus and walked over and I was like, I'm

993
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: not going over there with those people at all. I

994
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 1: don't want any part of that. Um. I mean, the

995
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: one time I feared for my life watching a game

996
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: and a bar was during the time I was in

997
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: a Raiders bar during the Tuck Rule game and I

998
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: thought for sure that some bodily harm was going to

999
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,280
Speaker 1: come to me. Because Raider fans are a little bit intense,

1000
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: so they don't mind being the villain. They sort of

1001
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: play into it. I think they're they're the team that

1002
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,280
Speaker 1: everybody in the a f C West loves to hate.

1003
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: At this point, yeah, we'll see. Wait, so I just

1004
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: I I looked at that Carlton Davis tweet. The best

1005
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: part is that Carlton Davis is not even verified on Twitter.

1006
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: So that's what he's getting roasted for. It's like, how

1007
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,280
Speaker 1: are you roasting Michael Thomas? But you you don't even

1008
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: have a blue check mark? But three of us have

1009
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 1: blue were more famous than Carlton Davis? Is it is

1010
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: it less? Did there less heat on it because he

1011
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: doesn't have a blue check mark? I got I think,

1012
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: Like I mean, in the five seconds that I just

1013
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: had to look at the tweet in the comments, everyone's like,

1014
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: how are you roasting one of the best players in

1015
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 1: the NFL. You ain't even verified? You know. My biggest

1016
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: thing is like he's lying a little bit because I

1017
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,760
Speaker 1: pulled up what Michael Thomas has done against the Bucks

1018
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 1: in his career, and my god, does Michael Thomas own

1019
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:22,240
Speaker 1: the Tansas this year? In two games? Yeah, just sixty

1020
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: eight yards. He averaged seven and a half fantasy points

1021
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: per game, but he had three touchdowns and and a

1022
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yards per game last year against him,

1023
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: he averaged over thirty three fantasy points. Two years ago

1024
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: was over twenty nine fantasy points per game. Like, he's

1025
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: had a ton of success against his team. Uh, and

1026
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: I think one of the best robberies in sports markets

1027
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: might be like, how every defensive back just dislikes Michael Thomas.

1028
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 1: You know, it's either that. That's a good one. The

1029
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: other one that I just thought of is how apparently

1030
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: a lot of people in the league seemed to hate C. J.

1031
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: Gardner Johnson, Um, Yeah, why hit? He has been punched

1032
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: by opponents and teammates, So apparently this dude likes to

1033
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 1: get under people's skin. That's all I know. It was

1034
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas who punched him, right, Michael Thomas punched him.

1035
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 1: He also got punched by multiple opponents, So like, you know, look,

1036
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: at some point, when you keep getting punched, maybe you

1037
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: have to look in the mirror and figure out, you know,

1038
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: maybe you're the one that's doing something wrong. I don't know.

1039
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 1: Do you think Michael Thomas so needs to loosen up

1040
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: a little bit? I don't know. If you guys see

1041
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: all his tweets, he is always waiting for someone to

1042
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: like stab him in the back or something. He's very salty.

1043
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: He's a little bit which you look, you live in

1044
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: a city like New Orleans, how can you be salty?

1045
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: It's a great town man, Just just chill out and relax,

1046
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: which feels like a good spot for us to kind

1047
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: of chill out and relax as well. So there you know,

1048
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,439
Speaker 1: that is it. We are done. We appreciate you hanging

1049
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: out with the NFL Fantasy Football Show, Kimmy, thanks for

1050
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: stopping by. Absolutely anyway, for the rest of you, you you

1051
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1052
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1053
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1054
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