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Speaker 1: Hey, Trump said he would be meeting with Vote to

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Speaker 1: discuss which of these so called Democrat agencies to cut

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Speaker 2: Is shut down.

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Speaker 1: As the co author of Project twenty twenty five, Vote

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Speaker 1: has been wanting to reshape the federal government for years,

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Speaker 1: literally laying out the steps to achieve the long sought

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Speaker 1: conservative goal of a president with dramatically expanded authority over

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Speaker 1: the executive branch, including the power to cut off spending,

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Speaker 1: fire employees, control independent agencies, and de regulate the economy.

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Speaker 1: And thanks to the president's shutdown, he and Vote are

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Speaker 1: working overtime to that exact goal. As The New York

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Speaker 1: Times reports, to many legal experts, mister Vote's work is

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Speaker 1: a threat to the foundations of democracy. One of the

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Speaker 1: main sources of power the Congress has over the executive

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Speaker 1: branch is the budget, sat Elouis Pascachov, the law professor

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Speaker 1: at Georgetown University. If the executive branch isn't controlled by

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Speaker 1: the power of the purse, then there is very little

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Speaker 1: that will control the president.

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Speaker 3: The president literally turning on American citizens, calling them the

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Speaker 3: enemies within. It reminds me of during the Wilson administration

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Speaker 3: during World War One. Where dissent was criminalized. Where it

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Speaker 3: wasn't violence that was the concern from the Wilson administration.

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Speaker 3: It was people who were speaking out against the president.

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Speaker 3: During that time, journalists were jailed, newspapers were threatened and

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Speaker 3: looking for the enemies within this country. It sounds very

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Speaker 3: similar to what the President of the United States not

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Speaker 3: just says he wants to do, but it's attempting to operationalize.

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Speaker 3: And I just I want to shake people tim because

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Speaker 3: it's like, oh baby, it might not be, it might

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Speaker 3: and so folks have to be aware. But am I

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Speaker 3: just am I being dramatic?

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Speaker 4: We want to dismantle the phrases Steve Vanna only uses

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Speaker 4: dismantled the administry of state, like that's what they're there

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Speaker 4: to do. That's what Doge was, and that's what Russell

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Speaker 2: And I think the.

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Speaker 4: Only difference this time is that they're trying to blame

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm not as good a reporter as well,

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Speaker 4: so I didn't write the quote down, but Caroline'll have it.

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Speaker 4: This warning was out there and essentially said something to

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Speaker 4: the effect of, right, like, the pain is going to

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Speaker 4: continue until the Democrats, you know, have an agreement.

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Speaker 1: You want to listen to the sounds looks like, Caroline

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Speaker 5: Look, it's likely going to be in the thousands. It's

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Speaker 5: a very good question. And that's something that the Office

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Speaker 5: of Management and Budget and the entire team at the

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Speaker 5: White House here again is unfortunately having to work on today.

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Speaker 5: These discussions and these conversations, these meetings would not be

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and she goes on from that to the point

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Speaker 2: We're happy about the pain.

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Speaker 4: Kind of it's the Democrats fault if they want to

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Speaker 4: just as many people are suffering because of this, but

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think Stephen Miller is an unhinged nerd uh.

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Speaker 8: This is clearly unconstitutional, but there's a larger white supremacy

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Speaker 8: constitutional details. We used to think a lot. I remember

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Speaker 2: When is that going to happen?

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Speaker 8: But we're actually dealing with a constitutional capitulation with this,

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Speaker 9: We wrote about this at this time because it was

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Speaker 2: Those are the words of Donald Trump.

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Speaker 9: And then Keev the Heritage Foundation along with the Center

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Speaker 2: And it was him that wrote down that quote.

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Speaker 9: Many agencies are not only too big and powerful, but

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Speaker 9: Simone was making this point very very clearly, that this

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Speaker 9: because this is the moment that this conservative movement, the

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Speaker 9: Heritage Foundation, have been waiting for them. They got their

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Speaker 2: This is the primal scream of a dying regie.

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Speaker 7: Pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval on

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Speaker 2: I've not got a free shot.

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Speaker 7: All these networks lying about the people, the people have

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Speaker 2: I know you don't like hearing that. I know you've

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Speaker 2: And where do people like that go to share the

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Speaker 8: I wish in my soul, I wish that any of

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Speaker 2: Yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

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Speaker 2: If that answer is to save my country, this country

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Speaker 7: Friday, three October in the Year of the Lord twenty

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Speaker 7: the building blocks of Project twenty twenty five were being

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Speaker 7: these Article two powers or the theory of the unified executive.

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Speaker 7: The unified executive. Now you've had also Russ vote all

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Speaker 7: You have teachable moments, and then you have something called

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Speaker 7: The MAGA movement are not anarchists, were not extreme libertarians.

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Speaker 7: Simone there used the example of President Wilson in World

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