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Speaker 1: normalist takes for when the news gets weird. I am

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Speaker 1: host Lauren Bacall, Kathleen Turner or sick Mary Katherine Ham with.

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Speaker 2: Me as always is, I'm Carol Markowitz. You do sound

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Speaker 2: very sexy, Mary Katine. I feel like the audience is

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Speaker 2: going to enjoy this episode the perks of being sick

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Speaker 2: for a few days until it's gone entirely, well, max

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Speaker 2: it out while you can, will so here we are

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Speaker 2: on Monday. This episode airzon Tuesday, and it was a

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Speaker 2: bit of an exciting weekend. Did you watch the Army

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Speaker 3: I was at the Army Navy tailgate and I took

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Speaker 3: the two oldest girls to the Travis Mannon Foundation tailgate,

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Speaker 3: which is the premiere and I don't think that's a

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Speaker 2: Raw Ra came home to watch the game amazing. It

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Speaker 3: And so being there is just very special and it

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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris, that's that's going to be me. Well, the

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Speaker 2: media has been having another normal one. I think we

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Speaker 2: What's uh have? What do we have today?

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Speaker 3: Well? ABC owned by Disney. By the way, Disney taken

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Speaker 3: els from Ronda Santis and now from Donald Trump. They

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Speaker 3: have all the l all the l's settled a defamation

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Speaker 3: suit with Trump for fifteen million dollars. This is ABC

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Speaker 3: News and Stallnopolis, George Deffanopolis, former Clinton war room guy

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Speaker 3: Trump So Good, which is almost better than just cash

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Speaker 3: Trump So Good. This came about because of an interview

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Speaker 2: Asking you a very simple question, and.

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Speaker 3: I answered you for my litical choice.

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Speaker 3: Okay. So the problem for Stephanopoulos here is that in

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Speaker 3: Well, and some of the argument, Look, I'm willing to

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Speaker 2: And he wanted people to think that what that that

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Speaker 3: embrace a vilification of it. There's a reason again, pipe shift. Again,

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Speaker 3: Well, and by the way a person from academia expounding

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Speaker 3: Well, and he doesn't seem to be doing a ton

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Speaker 3: As our friend Jim Garritty at National Review points out

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Speaker 3: I do think these are signals of what you think

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Speaker 2: This is some rough stuff we're going to take a

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Speaker 2: Right, I mean, what is he What do they think

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Speaker 3: what are we even talking about. It's not, oh, we

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Speaker 3: hate Republicans. It's that this person has moral convictions that

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Speaker 3: are strongly opposed to mine, and I don't feel comfortable

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Speaker 2: You know who you know who deported more people than

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Speaker 2: anybody in the last you know, five presidents.

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Speaker 3: Barack Obama. I'm sure the server is informed of that.

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Speaker 3: Inconvenient fact.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I'm going to be shouting that a

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Speaker 3: Can I say that I would like administration of each

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Speaker 3: officials and deep staters and people close to Jill and

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden to be as brave and stupid as these

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Speaker 3: people who put their names on the record. I need

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Speaker 3: the resistors.

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Speaker 2: I still think we will.

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Speaker 3: I do.

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Speaker 2: I think we're going to see some stories and yeah,

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Speaker 2: with their names on it. I will, you know, hopefully, just.

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Speaker 3: You know, use this server as your inspiration. You may

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Speaker 3: lose your job, but it was to resist.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be worth it.

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Speaker 3: It's honorable.

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Speaker 2: Well, thanks for joining us on normally. Normally airs Tuesdays

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Speaker 2: We will be having an ask us Anything episode at

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Speaker 2: the end of this month. We're not sure of the

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Speaker 2: date yet, but you can email us at normallythepod at

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Speaker 2: gmail dot com or we have posted an anonymous form

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Speaker 2: linked to an anonymous form on our x accounts, so

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Speaker 2: check it out there. Thanks for listening, and when things

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Speaker 2: get weird, act normally