WEBVTT - Cool ReRun: The Young Lords: How Some Puerto Rican Socialists Changed Everything Part 3+4 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:02.920 Cool Zone Media. 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:06.120 Hello and welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff. 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:09.039 I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy, and this week I'm traveling 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:12.680 and instead of doing the thing, I'm doing a different 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:16.200 thing where I play a rerun, and in this case, 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:18.400 I'm playing a rerun that I thought would tie in 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:20.880 really well with last week's episode. Last week we talked 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:24.000 about the first Paramedics, so this week we're going to 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:25.800 revisit the Young Lord's. 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:28.840 We're going to talk about the group of radicals who 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:33.159 completely changed the way that healthcare works in this country 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:37.120 by taking direct action and doing all kinds of cool stuff. 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:41.440 I hope you enjoy it. Hello and welcome to Inside Podcasting, 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:43.239 the podcast where we give you all the tips and 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:46.640 tricks you need to run a successful podcast. 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But this time it is 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:21.360 a different day than last It is. 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:25.319 We're older, wiser, yeah, and last week. 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:29.600 And I'm on more antibiotics than I was last week. 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:33.120 But I have less tooth pain, so that is an advantage. Yeah. 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:36.280 I think I did the last recording with like wisdom 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:37.000 tooth infection. 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:40.639 Oh wowsy Alec. 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:46.920 Yeah, our producer is back. We're no longer running rudderless. 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:49.360 We have Sophie Lichtman with us. Sophie, how are you doing? 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:51.760 Is that what happens when I'm not here? 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:55.680 We were lost? It was my first time, but I 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:57.280 was lost about you. 0:01:57.640 --> 0:01:58.760 Oh thank you, Linda. 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:02.640 That was not your first rodeo. 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:11.639 Oh I'm glad to be back and I excited excited 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:13.360 to hear parts three and four. 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:19.920 Yeah okay. Also our audio engineers Ian, thanks Ian for 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:22.400 doing the thankless work. Our theme music was written for 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:25.360 us by un Woman. This week we are picking up 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:27.600 where we left off last week for our second ever 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:30.639 four parter. Go back and listen to parts one and two. 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:33.280 What's wrong with you? Why do you start on episode 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:36.359 three of a four part You're probably the kind of 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:38.880 person who can read comic books. I can't read comic 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:40.480 books because I don't know where to start. 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:42.840 Wow, really, you start wherever? 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:43.640 I know? 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:46.880 That's just the word for me to be fair bagpie. 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:49.119 We just made a We just made an off mic 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:51.160 argument for why you would start at the end of 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:53.760 something instead of at the beginning, because you might find 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:56.120 out somebody that you think is a hero is actually 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:58.720 a really, really bad person in their personal life. 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:02.160 Oh that's true. I actually, for research purposes, should probably 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:04.600 start all biographies about three quarters of the way through 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:08.399 the book and read through the episode. Yeah yeah, all right, 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:11.840 fair enough. Well that's not what's happening in this particular episode. 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:16.320 They you know, no one's perfect, no group is perfect. 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:20.560 But we're focusing on the stuff that the Young Lords did, 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:23.400 and there was way too much good shit to just 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:26.520 do in two episodes. So here we are. We are 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:28.800 talking about the Young Lords, a Puerto Rican street gang 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:32.000 turned activist organization who where we left off, is just 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:34.920 rocking shit in New York City. They're setting trash on fire, 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:37.280 but in a good way. I feel like there's like 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:40.119 good and bad ways to set trash on fire, and 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:43.000 they're all set to come into their own so let's 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:47.160 watch them do it. So they've just burned a whole 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:49.360 bunch of garbage and gotten the city to be like, 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:51.400 maybe we need to do something about this garbage because 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:54.560 these radicals keep setting it all on fire and blocking 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:57.840 the roads. So they open up a storefront because now 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:01.480 they're way more popular than they were, and they turned 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:05.560 to organization. They started operating more like having autonomous working 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:08.400 groups that work on different issues. And one of the 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:10.920 autonomous working groups they set up is really interesting to me. 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:15.400 They set up police watch organizations to go watch the police, 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:19.760 right hu. And these were community led rather than just 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:23.640 led by the young lords, which one else. Yeah, like, 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:26.800 I haven't because I haven't done a Panthers episode yet. 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:30.600 I'm not trying to contrast to the Panthers ideas of 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:33.160 police watch and stuff. But if you're going to have 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:36.000 a membership organization with a hierarchy, please do shit like this. 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:40.600 It was an autonomous affiliate network of neighbor neighbors circles, 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:42.960 and most of the volunteers were men and women. In 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:46.400 their forties, not directly affiliated with the Lords. I think 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:51.120 this was to basically have like cooler heads, like like 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:53.279 people were a bit calmer and more trustworthy in this 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:56.080 way or whatever, you know, and they focused on conflict 0:04:56.080 --> 0:05:01.840 de escalation. They also helped resist unlawful arrests WHOA. And 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:04.960 their goal was to eventually make the police obsolete. I 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:05.720 really like this. 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:09.760 Yeah, I also really like this. 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:13.720 I know, I'm like, why doesn't this just happen? Why 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:17.400 don't people just make the police absolute? I mean, probably 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:18.960 a lot of people who try to make the police 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:21.960 obsolete by either going to jail or becoming worse than 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:25.599 the cops. But like the partnersher tried to make camps obsolete. 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:30.800 But he sucks anyway. They were unarmed, or at least 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:33.279 they were not armed with firearms, which wasn't a moral 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:35.840 decision but instead a strategic one within the context they 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:38.320 were in. Actually, most of what the Young Lords are 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:41.280 doing is unarmed compared to a lot of other organizations. 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:43.320 We're going to talk about what weapons they did use. 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:46.840 Have you have you heard what weapon they're like signature 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:49.800 weapon was. No, I'm not going to tell you yet. 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:52.960 It's gonna come up later in the script. Okay, so good. 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:54.760 I want you to think about what would be the 0:05:54.760 --> 0:06:01.279 coolest like non gun and that they could have. 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:04.320 I know, right now I'm picturing like chain with the 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:05.560 ball with the spikes on it. 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:07.280 That's pretty good. 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:09.760 Is it a battle axe? 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:13.240 Nope, it's not a flail. It's not a battle axe. 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:13.920 Okay. 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:18.599 When I do my spinoff episode Great Medieval Weapons of 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:22.800 History to explain the difference in morning stars and flails, 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:26.599 and they like argument about whether or not the flail 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:31.480 was actually historically used medieval. Okay, anyway, so they waited 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:33.800 until they had buy in from the community before they 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:36.719 even started this organization. They didn't just be like, oh, 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:38.839 we're the new cops in town. We're going to start 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:42.080 roaming the streets. They ended up with two hundred volunteers 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:44.640 that patrolled a five block area around their storefront. 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:48.320 Holy shit. Yeah, yeah, one hundred people is a lot 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:48.760 of people. 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:52.800 I know, and like, I want to know more about 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:56.000 its organizational models. I mean, it's like my nerd shit 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:58.880 as I want to figure out where they were hierarchical, 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:02.280 where they weren't hierarchical, where they moved into different realms. 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:06.960 But you know, they also launched a children's breakfast program 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:10.040 working together with the Black Panthers. I think that and 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:12.600 this is an inference from several sources, but I think 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:14.840 that this is because the Panthers they're on the downswing 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:17.320 because the Panther twenty one trial, right, So the Young 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:19.960 Lords are stepping up and the Panthers are helping them 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:24.280 do it. And the cops work really hard to discourage 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:28.120 parents from letting their kids participate, saying basically like, oh, 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:30.640 they're a gang. Don't let your kids fall into that gang. 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:36.120 Keep your kids away from you know, the evil Young 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:39.920 Lords or whatever. Yeah, it didn't work. Lots of people 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:44.480 went working out of the storefront. The community just pours 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:49.160 in support from all corners. There's local thieves who are like, hey, 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:51.320 do you want some chairs? We still out of this VW. 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:55.680 And that's where all the chairs in the office came from. 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:59.520 Healthcare professionals donated medicine and volunteered, and there was an 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:03.840 informal clinic run out of there on probably hanging out 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:06.360 on the VW chairs that were stolen out of I mean, 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:09.120 whoever's VW was was maybe mad, but you know, maybe 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:10.560 they wanted to know a richer neighborhood to do it. 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:12.400 Who knows bread sourcing? 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:18.440 Yeah, from each, according to ability to steal, to each, 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:23.960 according to need of stolen goods. They kept the whole 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:26.760 block clean because that was like kind of their initial 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:29.960 thing anyway, right that there's they'd like physically clean the streets, 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:33.880 not metaphorically clean the streets, although we'll talk about some 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:36.000 of their how they handled drug dealers in a little 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:40.120 bit later. Because people loved them. Yeah, they set them 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:44.120 ount of trash on fire. Everyone liked them. Fire makes friends, apparently. 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:46.800 I know I would I would think there'd be more 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:49.760 of a backlash. I'm pretty excited that people were like, 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:52.200 way to go, guys, someone had to do it. 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:57.160 Yeah, Like I struggle to imagine that right now, in 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:59.319 most places you could go burn a bunch of trash 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:02.840 in the street and make do more than polarize people. 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:07.480 Yeah, but I guess. I mean the need was so 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:10.480 great that they, you know, that the community was just 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:12.839 like something had to happen. We needed our trash to 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:13.520 get picked up. 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:17.840 Yeah, yeah, totally. And I bet you it's like I 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:20.400 bet you the first half was like half the people 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:23.240 were like fuck yeah burning trash, this rules. Fuck the man, 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:25.360 and the other half was like, I don't know about that. 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:27.440 But then when it like worked and people started picking 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:29.480 up the trash regularly, they were like, oh, all right, 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:33.920 and so there are this much larger organization. Now some 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:36.800 of them are still in high school. So the Young 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:39.800 Lords managed to continue their name, but a lot of 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:42.680 them dropped out of college and high school to work 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:45.360 on this. There's a lot of ex college kids. This 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:47.440 is a pattern we see across the late sixties early 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:50.480 seventies movements, is that people go full time to work 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:52.360 on this stuff. And the people who can go full 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:55.760 time are people who are like, why would I want 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:57.520 a degree when instead I can change the world. 0:09:58.240 --> 0:09:58.760 Yeah. 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:01.240 As someone who made that decision myself, I have a 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:02.520 particular affinity for this. 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:04.080 Yeah. 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:10.120 No, No, everyone who finished their degrees, that's great. Fuck. Yeah. Anyway, 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:13.520 they start working alongside the welfare rights movement. They're just 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:16.920 involved in everything. Because a fourteen year old young Lord 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:20.320 got arrested at a welfare rights demonstration. As far as 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:22.280 I I didn't put this in the script, but basically 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:25.120 I think he was like walking home from somewhere and 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:27.400 he saw a bunch of women like doing a sit 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:30.560 in and were like. He was like, oh, I'm with them, 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:32.960 and then sat down and got arrested or something like that, 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:35.720 and he ends up in friend of the Pod the Tombs, 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:39.600 which has been which is locked up basically everyone in 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:41.480 the show who's lived in New York over the course 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:43.680 of one hundred and fifty years, Like we do episodes 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:45.840 about the nineteenth century, and all of the anarchists are 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:48.680 getting sent to the tombs. Oh wow, and here we 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:51.120 are in the nineteen sixties. People are getting sent to 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:53.280 the Tombs. Have you ever been to the Tombs? I 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:55.040 have no idea if you got arrested in New York 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:59.240 I have not. Actually, okay, I never got it, but. 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:04.280 The name since a chill down my spine. Yeah, definitely. 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:07.400 I feel like most guests, I'd be very nervous to 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:13.160 be like, hey, you ever got arrest anyway, So the 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:15.880 welfare movement of the late of the nineteen sixties deserves 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:17.640 its own episode. At some point they shut down New 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:19.800 York City a bunch of times. They were fierce as fuck. 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:22.120 They were women of color lead and the New York 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:24.760 Young Lords weren't exclusively men, and some of the founders 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:29.280 were women. But this alliance stillp helps bring gender equity 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:31.480 equality into the movement, Like more and more women are 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:36.120 joining because they're focusing also on this particular thing. And 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:38.280 this is something that they keep doing over and over again, 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:42.000 is that they keep moving and working on issues that 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:43.720 bring more and more women into the movement. And I 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:49.679 think that's really cool. By October nineteen sixty nine, they 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:53.000 put together a thirteen point program modeled on the Black Panthers, 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:56.679 but growing from it as well. They use the word 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:58.880 Latino in this, which is one of the first public 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:02.520 uses of the word in this con text, and as 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:05.720 far as I can tell, yeah, as a white person 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:10.520 who just read this stuff, Basically later in the nineteen seventies, 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:13.920 Hispanic was added to the census, and so Latino became 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:15.760 more of a word to be like fuck Spain, Like 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:17.120 what the fuck we're not from Spain? 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:20.520 Yeah, yeah, yeah, Oka, But this is before that. 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:24.959 Yeah, yeah, exactly, So I think that they're still already 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:27.720 on the like fuck Spain, we're not from Spain totally. 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:30.520 Yes, they were very much on that tip. 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:34.960 Yeah. And it also it talks about this this thirteen 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:38.040 point program, it talks about cross racial solidarity between all 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:41.880 oppressed people. It talks about internationalism, it talks about women's liberation. 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:45.800 It doesn't always succeed at doing more than talking about 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:46.800 these things, but we'll get to that. 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:50.440 Yeah, And I believe that at first it was like 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:54.320 a ten point demand, right, and then I think I 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:59.079 from what I remember reading, like the parts about battling 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:04.600 muchismo and women's liberation were added because of pressure from 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:06.600 women within the Young Lords. 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:08.599 I believe you're right. I wrote a bunch of the 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:12.240 script a little bit ago. Yeah, it got at the 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:15.959 very least, it got rewritten to further emphasize these things. 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:21.560 I think the women's liberation thing was I could be wrong. 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:23.680 I think it was in there in the beginning, but 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:26.120 it wasn't as strongly worded, and it was like near 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:28.280 the end it was like the last point or the 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:31.160 second less time totally, And so it got like bumped 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:35.080 up to number three or four or something after after this. 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:38.160 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, because I do remember 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:41.000 it being something about like much cheesebo needs to be 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:44.320 used in a revolutionary way, and the women were like, Yo, 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:48.839 that's not what we're talking about. Actually, that's not possible. 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:54.400 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they did so much yeah, no, 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:57.079 I mean I'm really excited about that part of it 0:13:57.240 --> 0:14:01.640 that they they did so much discussion about what is 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:04.840 and isn't useful in terms of like they're basically having 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:08.120 the conversation about masculinity versus toxic masculinity totally. 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:11.959 And there are definite like conversations about gender and about 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:15.280 how gender is a social construct like that was happening 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:18.960 within the Young Lords and a lot of conversation learning 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:23.000 from gay liberation movements. Like when I read about that, 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:25.200 that's what really blew my mind and maybe be like, 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:27.720 oh my god, I'm so proud that these people are 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:28.360 Puerto Rican. 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:32.720 Yeah, you know, yeah, because we get presented this like 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:36.360 because of the image of like well, actually, I mean 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:39.080 mainstream society literally doesn't have an image of the Young Lords. 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:42.760 Mainstream society ignores them, right or doesn't know about them. 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:46.520 And but when we see like the mainstream image of 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:49.520 radicals in the nineteen sixties, you might see a black 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:54.880 man with a rifle, right and it and there's nothing 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:57.640 wrong with that image, but it's like, yeah, it's like 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:01.280 I didn't know that the Black Panthers cifically teamed up 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:06.040 with a queer Liberation Front until I did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:09.400 they they've made explicit statements around this time, being like 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:11.920 we're with the queers, you know, wow, And it's this 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:15.560 like yeah, I mean there's still all kinds of like 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:18.360 sexism in the Chismo, but people are so interested in 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:23.080 like looking back and pretending like everything are these divorced movements. Yeah, 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:27.120 I remember this. No, I'm just completely outscripted. I remember 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:29.600 this conversation I had with this old union miner in 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:33.680 West Virginia years ago who was like working against mountaintop removal. Oh, 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:36.680 and I was talking to him and he was like, 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:40.320 you know, a coal mining hippie in the sixties, and 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:43.000 he's white, and he's like, yeah, in the sixties, we 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:44.680 were out there protesting the war, and then on the 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:47.040 other corners people protesting for gay rights, and then the 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:50.080 other corners people protesting for black power. And we were like, 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:52.160 why are we all on different corners? This is dumb. 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:54.120 Let's stand on the same corner and then we're stronger. 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:59.000 And I'm like, oh wow, yeah, yeah, makes me happy. 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:05.120 It can be that simple, you know. And like, as 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:06.640 you talked about and we're going to talk about more 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:07.960 about it, and I'm be curious because I think you 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:09.960 know more about this part of it than me. The 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:12.440 women within this movement had to fight for this inclusion, 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:17.440 you know. But yeah, so they put together a thirteen 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:20.200 point program and it ends with we want a socialist society. 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:25.760 So there's no like, you can't really pretend like they're reformists, right. 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:31.600 They were really good at getting reforms, but that wasn't 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:32.040 their goal. 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:33.600 Yeah. 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:37.120 They set up a bilingual newspaper, which they mimiographed themselves 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:40.240 before eventually getting it produced all properly. It was one 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:44.000 of the country's first bilingual newspapers. Oh wow. At its 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:46.600 peak it had print runs of twenty four thousand copies. 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:53.359 We fit every week, I believe. And it was called Polente, 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:57.520 which I'll read. I'll read what is in a script 0:16:57.520 --> 0:17:00.840 really quick. Polente is slang that means onward, basically from 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:04.240 PoTA Olente. There's a sick hooray for the riff rap 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:07.680 song called Polente. Maybe you've heard of it, Alinda. 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:08.639 I have. 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:10.479 It took me two years to write. 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:12.440 Oh really it did. 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:16.120 Yeah. Yeah, Like, I don't know if anyone out there 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:19.879 is hard on themselves, but you can probably relate to 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:23.640 tasking yourself with I need to write a song that 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:29.320 honors this movement and this, like you know of my ancestors, 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:32.439 So I better write a really good song within like 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:38.280 four to five minutes that encapsulates this, like how much 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:41.240 it means to me. So it took me about two 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:44.080 years to do that. 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:46.800 That makes a lot of sense. The like like there's 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:49.040 episodes I haven't done of cool people who did cool 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:53.040 stuff yet because I'm like, I'm not ready. Yeah, I'm 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:56.960 not ready to like cover. I mean I've done some 0:17:57.119 --> 0:17:59.320 that I kind of felt that way about Stonewall in 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:02.280 the Spanish CVIL and some other things, right, but there's 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:04.400 some that I'm just like, oh, how the hell am 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:06.440 I gonna tell this? So that makes a lot of 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:10.760 sense to me. It's a great song. Anyone who's listening 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:12.920 should go and listen to this song. 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:16.680 And great video. Also yeah, ye my friend Chris Mark. 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:20.000 Yeah, I actually originally wrote the script for someone else, 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:21.960 and then I use this part of the script to 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:23.800 talk about how cool the song is, how people should 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:26.159 check it out, and then I dragged you on as 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:29.320 a guest. Nice, so they start putting out uh polente, 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:31.600 Actually do you want to do? You have more of 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:35.800 a I'm like it's slang that means onward. Yeah, is 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:38.359 there more that you could say about what it means? 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:42.000 It is true, it's just slang, you know, and it's 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:44.880 funny within like, at least the experience of my family, 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:48.679 you know, my dad, who was like a total like 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:51.200 veteran turned hippie, would be like, oh, yeah, why aren't 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:53.840 they like the Young Lords, you know, And then other 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:55.680 people in my family would be like, that just means 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:58.680 to literally go forward. There's like dance songs about that. 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:01.800 Why are you I'll wrap up in this word, you know. 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:06.199 So it's it's like a thing that I feel like 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:10.359 for me, I was specifically drawn into that word because 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:12.800 of the Young Lords. And maybe if you don't come 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:18.840 from like a super like a nerdy background of researching them, 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:21.400 you might just be like that means like keep a pushing, 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:25.240 you know. But because of my mind being like totally 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:27.720 blown by learning about them, I was like, this is 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:29.360 the word. This is what I need to do. 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:35.120 Yeah, yeah, no, fuck yah. Speaking of what we need 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:40.919 to do, we need to be sponsored the things that 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:44.840 we hate in order to eat food and feed it, 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:48.160 feed the food to the people that we like and ourselves. 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:52.560 So it's been a particular week of like learning about 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:54.359 a bunch of ads that have managed to slip in 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:57.359 past our filters. Oh really, So if you're listening to 0:19:57.400 --> 0:20:00.000 this in Ireland and you get an ad for because 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:05.159 I mean, a cop in Ireland, I'm just gonna go 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:09.720 ahead and say I do not support this particular sponsor. 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:17.679 Wow, that is just trolling. I know, that really trolling, you. 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:20.840 Know, especially if it was like I don't know if 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:23.160 it's Northern Ireland or whatever. Especially feels like a brit 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:24.960 become a British cop in Ireland. 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:28.560 I love to know what category they've slipped in under 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:32.200 because we have like government blocked and like all those 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:33.480 categories blocked. 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:36.800 Yeah, it's like all social club. 0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:42.360 A few years back, we had the Washington State Patrol 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:45.240 running ads on one of our shows, or a couple 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:47.639 of our shows, and we're like, what the fuck, Like 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:49.320 we have all these categories blocked. 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:50.600 They were under business. 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:55.600 Oh wows more honest? 0:20:57.000 --> 0:21:06.720 You like, yes, yeah, yep, So don't enjoy these ads. 0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:15.760 Yeah, welcome to our life. Here you go, and we're back. 0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:18.520 And it'll be particularly funny because these ads change over time, right, 0:21:18.520 --> 0:21:20.960 they're not set when we record the episode they're set, 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:23.159 I think when you listen to the episode. So what 0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:25.840 if in the future I start doing host red ads 0:21:26.320 --> 0:21:29.159 and I've gone on this long rant and then I 0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:33.679 come in and I'm like, do you like sandwich cookies? Well, 0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:36.160 do I have a sandwich cookie for you? The following 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:39.119 brand of sandwich cookie is all natural and it is 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:42.800 exactly what I need when I need sugar. I don't know, 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:44.120 I'm not really doing a good job. 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:44.879 I'm sorrying. 0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:48.800 Really happening. I didn't want to. 0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:54.240 Famous vegan snack the Oreo. 0:21:55.800 --> 0:21:56.479 No, it's vegan. 0:21:57.240 --> 0:21:59.919 Oh yeah, that's why the newman O's thing is like 0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:02.200 not actually a rip off, because having the more organic 0:22:02.320 --> 0:22:05.479 version is fine. But it's like people are like New Minos. 0:22:05.480 --> 0:22:10.800 They are the vegan Oreos, and you're like, as are Oreos. 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:13.119 I haven't thought of at New Mino in a long time. 0:22:13.359 --> 0:22:16.159 When I got some, you taught me all about the 0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:20.320 gloriousness that is the Oreo Magpie. You literally could do 0:22:20.400 --> 0:22:23.879 a sponsorship for Oreo if they were by an evil corporation. 0:22:24.600 --> 0:22:31.960 I know this is the problem, Like anyway, the incredible 0:22:32.119 --> 0:22:37.920 tension of everyone needing jobs in order to continue to live, 0:22:39.080 --> 0:22:41.600 and I like this I have the best job of 0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:44.640 anyone I know. I feel like Olinda, you might also 0:22:44.720 --> 0:22:46.520 identify with having a pretty decent job. 0:22:47.600 --> 0:22:49.520 It's true. 0:22:50.240 --> 0:22:53.560 But yeah, but what most jobs. I'm going to turn 0:22:53.600 --> 0:22:57.119 this into a proper segue. Wow, what most jobs? But 0:22:57.200 --> 0:23:00.920 my job actually doesn't offer me not because is healthcare. Okay, 0:23:00.920 --> 0:23:03.440 we're gonna talk about healthcare. Now that's my segue. I'm 0:23:03.440 --> 0:23:06.840 really good at my job. The medical situation for people 0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:12.359 of color in the nineteen sixties New York was not good. 0:23:13.280 --> 0:23:17.640 Yeah, devastating that that's a better word. Yeah, for sure. 0:23:18.520 --> 0:23:22.080 White medical students used black and Puerto Rican hospitals for 0:23:22.160 --> 0:23:25.359 training before they moved to work on You know people 0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:29.160 that society actually cared about. Lincoln Hospital, the only hospital 0:23:29.160 --> 0:23:31.240 at the time in the South Bronx, was called the 0:23:31.240 --> 0:23:34.159 butcher Shop. People would go in there to get a 0:23:34.240 --> 0:23:37.640 leg amputated and come out with the wrong leg amputated. 0:23:38.320 --> 0:23:38.960 Holy shit. 0:23:39.520 --> 0:23:43.000 Yeah, there was no triage in the waiting room of 0:23:43.000 --> 0:23:46.240 the er. The paint in the children's ward was lead. 0:23:46.880 --> 0:23:50.800 We'll talk more about lead pain. Here's a nice euphemism. 0:23:50.800 --> 0:23:53.960 People got enrolled into medical studies without their consent. That 0:23:54.080 --> 0:23:56.440 is the nicest way of phrasing that I can possibly 0:23:56.480 --> 0:24:01.680 imagine seriously is a it's bad. It's like a really 0:24:01.720 --> 0:24:07.160 bad thing. So the Young Lords single handedly, No wait, 0:24:07.640 --> 0:24:09.840 they show up as one player and a larger coalition 0:24:09.880 --> 0:24:13.880 of groups fighting for health rights, the East Harlem Health Council, 0:24:14.119 --> 0:24:17.400 the e h HC. This is actually before they moved 0:24:17.400 --> 0:24:18.720 to the South Bronx. We're going to come back and 0:24:18.720 --> 0:24:22.280 talk about Lincoln Hospital a little bit later, okay, But 0:24:22.720 --> 0:24:24.720 so this is the when they're still more in East Harlem. 0:24:25.320 --> 0:24:28.320 They're protesting inside and outside of hospitals about the abuses 0:24:28.359 --> 0:24:31.320 happening there. And a ton of the medical providers at 0:24:31.320 --> 0:24:35.520 these hospitals were involved in organizing with the EHHC, just 0:24:35.600 --> 0:24:38.399 usually not the administration, but the actual doctors and the 0:24:38.640 --> 0:24:42.520 ha other you know, nursing staff and administrative staff and stuff. 0:24:43.000 --> 0:24:45.359 Administrative staff, I don't know what you call the people 0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:47.960 who aren't the bosses but are still administering things. 0:24:49.080 --> 0:24:54.600 Yeah, I've got nothing, yeah, administrative staff, yeah, middle management yeah. 0:24:54.680 --> 0:24:55.240 Yeah. 0:24:55.280 --> 0:24:56.840 And I think it's like again, like you have these 0:24:56.880 --> 0:24:59.360 like people who are like we're crazy socialists, who we're 0:24:59.359 --> 0:25:02.760 crazy yaw in uniforms and patrol like to keep the 0:25:02.800 --> 0:25:06.840 cops off of our block. And the doctors are like, wait, 0:25:06.880 --> 0:25:08.200 but are you trying to help people? And they're like yeah, 0:25:08.200 --> 0:25:09.359 and they're like all right, great, we're trying to help 0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:11.280 people too. How do we help people? You know? 0:25:11.480 --> 0:25:14.040 Yeah? Yeah? 0:25:14.200 --> 0:25:16.600 The Young Lords they sat down with some doctors at 0:25:16.600 --> 0:25:19.639 Metropolitan Hospital in Harlem and they drafted a ten point 0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:21.639 health program because of course it had to be a 0:25:21.680 --> 0:25:25.080 ten point health program because they only have two naming 0:25:25.119 --> 0:25:27.080 conventions in the Young Lord which is one is the 0:25:27.200 --> 0:25:30.160 ten point or whatever number point program and the other 0:25:30.200 --> 0:25:34.040 one is the something offensive like the garbage offensive. Okay, 0:25:35.080 --> 0:25:38.280 that's now. I love a good naming convention and there 0:25:38.280 --> 0:25:40.600 have been great ones throughout history. I just so I'm 0:25:40.640 --> 0:25:42.560 not trying to drag them. They just they have two 0:25:42.560 --> 0:25:45.640 of them in it. In the ten point program, they 0:25:45.640 --> 0:25:48.520 advocate for direct democratic control of the hospital by a 0:25:48.560 --> 0:25:51.360 combination of its medical staff, it's workers, and the residents 0:25:51.400 --> 0:25:56.360 of the neighborhood. No fucking notes, Like. 0:25:56.480 --> 0:25:58.520 Seriously, that sounds great, let's do it. 0:25:58.840 --> 0:26:03.960 Yeah, how do we do it? Also in the ten 0:26:04.000 --> 0:26:06.400 point program was like healthcare should be free? What the fuck? 0:26:07.240 --> 0:26:10.960 Then they formed yet another organization, the Health Revolutionary Unity 0:26:11.040 --> 0:26:16.080 movement or Hrum Hrum. I think hrum and it might 0:26:16.080 --> 0:26:17.800 seem sort of odd that they may and join a 0:26:17.800 --> 0:26:22.119 million organizations, but it's actually kind of an effective decentralization 0:26:22.200 --> 0:26:25.400 technique that I think this is my own bias coming 0:26:25.440 --> 0:26:28.080 into it. When they are more effectively decentralized is when 0:26:28.080 --> 0:26:31.520 they are accomplishing more. From my point of view, that's 0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:35.720 my reading of this history. They're avoiding putting themselves directly 0:26:35.760 --> 0:26:39.000 into power. They're keeping power with the people, which is 0:26:39.040 --> 0:26:43.000 their stated goal. And I'm under the impression that they 0:26:43.000 --> 0:26:45.359 were also learning a lot about what wasn't working with 0:26:45.400 --> 0:26:48.160 the Black Panthers, who also were looking at their own 0:26:48.200 --> 0:26:50.400 weaknesses and trying to them up. Don't get me wrong. 0:26:51.240 --> 0:26:53.160 It's also important because while this is a story about 0:26:53.200 --> 0:26:57.320 how the Young Lord's won sanitation, detox facilities, a patient's 0:26:57.359 --> 0:26:59.800 bill of rights, it's also a story about how the 0:26:59.840 --> 0:27:02.960 young Lords, in conjunction with a huge, intersecting swath of 0:27:03.040 --> 0:27:08.639 revolutionaries and like medical professionals and stuff, do so. An 0:27:08.720 --> 0:27:10.919 awful lot of this health care activism was inspired by 0:27:10.960 --> 0:27:14.399 the Cuban Revolution. A bunch of doctors and young lords 0:27:14.400 --> 0:27:16.800 has secreted themselves to Cuba at one point or another 0:27:16.880 --> 0:27:22.159 to see how to create a functioning health care system. Wow. Yeah, 0:27:22.440 --> 0:27:24.920 I'm not a I'm not like a big state socialism girl, 0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:27.400 but I'm also not a big capitalism girl, and socialist 0:27:27.400 --> 0:27:31.160 Cuba produced a better healthcare system than the United States 0:27:31.160 --> 0:27:32.200 has ever managed to do. 0:27:32.840 --> 0:27:33.720 Yeah. 0:27:34.119 --> 0:27:38.280 So on December fifth, nineteen sixty nine, they joined to 0:27:38.320 --> 0:27:41.280 sit in at the hospital they're protesting the construction of 0:27:41.320 --> 0:27:44.560 an emergency room. That I could not figure out what 0:27:44.600 --> 0:27:46.199 was wrong in the emergency room was being done in 0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:46.720 a bad way. 0:27:47.160 --> 0:27:48.080 Okay, I don't know. 0:27:48.359 --> 0:27:51.680 There's so many different times they all take over churches 0:27:51.720 --> 0:27:56.440 and hospitals and shit that it was like hard. Wow. Yeah, 0:27:56.480 --> 0:27:58.600 it's a good problem for your movement to have be 0:27:58.760 --> 0:28:01.479 like and keep track of everything they did, because they 0:28:01.480 --> 0:28:02.720 did everything constantly. 0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:04.359 Yeah. 0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:06.600 I believe them that the er was being done in 0:28:06.640 --> 0:28:08.879 a bad way and that it was worth protesting. I 0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:11.560 have no everything else they've been right on about. So 0:28:12.840 --> 0:28:15.000 they didn't win a dramatic change in the construction of 0:28:15.000 --> 0:28:17.440 the er, but they want a sort of a side 0:28:17.480 --> 0:28:23.399 demand okay, and that the hospital would now pay for 0:28:23.520 --> 0:28:27.240 one of their doctors to come volunteer at their storefront 0:28:27.400 --> 0:28:32.840 clinic offer immunizations. Yeah, and then there was something else 0:28:32.840 --> 0:28:35.359 that they wanted to work on. They just like literally 0:28:35.400 --> 0:28:39.480 worked on everything. They were focused on lead poisoning. I 0:28:39.520 --> 0:28:41.560 don't know if you knew this, but lead is really bad. 0:28:41.320 --> 0:28:44.440 For you, yes, especially for children. 0:28:45.040 --> 0:28:49.360 Yeah, yeah, which is why you shouldn't paint the children's 0:28:49.400 --> 0:28:53.200 wing of the hospital in lead. Apparently it's like sweet 0:28:53.320 --> 0:28:56.400 if you eat it, and that's why kids eat it. 0:28:58.720 --> 0:29:00.880 Sophie is looking distressed by this. 0:29:01.920 --> 0:29:03.320 It's trajac. 0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:05.280 So lead poisoning. 0:29:05.360 --> 0:29:12.680 It's poisoning the original like fruit flavored vape things I don't. 0:29:13.160 --> 0:29:14.440 I don't. 0:29:14.960 --> 0:29:16.800 Maybe there's lead in the current vape. Well, we get 0:29:16.840 --> 0:29:20.280 sued if I make this claim allegedly. 0:29:20.800 --> 0:29:23.960 Yeah, you're saying you don't know, but you might know. 0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:26.480 But it might be, but it might not be, and 0:29:26.560 --> 0:29:27.240 that's fine. 0:29:27.680 --> 0:29:30.440 Yeah, we're not in the UK. We can't get sued 0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:34.280 for libel. There's probably not. 0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:39.320 Like this podcaster is in the UK bagpot, but. 0:29:39.240 --> 0:29:43.600 I'm not in the ego. Oh, I see, interesting, the 0:29:43.640 --> 0:29:47.520 delicate balance we all walk, Okay, I genuinely have no 0:29:48.040 --> 0:29:50.320 All I know is that vapes are unregular, right are 0:29:50.320 --> 0:29:52.240 they still unregulated? I don't know about this. 0:29:52.320 --> 0:29:56.800 I don't get pretty unregulated. But lead paint tastes sweet, 0:29:56.880 --> 0:29:58.280 and that's why kids. 0:29:59.160 --> 0:30:00.920 That is all right, I'm looking it up. 0:30:02.560 --> 0:30:06.320 It really sped with my day. It's Monday and I'm 0:30:06.320 --> 0:30:07.760 already like what the fuck? 0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:11.360 Yeah, lead paint has a sweet taste, which encourages children 0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:13.600 to put paint chips in their mouths and chew on 0:30:13.680 --> 0:30:18.720 surfaces like window sills, says University of Rochester, the top 0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:21.160 Google result when I google lead paint. 0:30:21.240 --> 0:30:23.880 I bet animals are drawn to it as well. 0:30:25.000 --> 0:30:27.680 M that's why animals attack. 0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:31.640 I thanks you violent, thanks thanks for bombing me out. 0:30:31.680 --> 0:30:36.080 Magpie, You're welcome. That's the point of this ship. Wait 0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:38.440 this well, let me talk about how they've stopped it. 0:30:38.760 --> 0:30:41.960 Oh that's a great thing. They stopped this shit. Tell 0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:44.560 me all right, So lead fucks you up. It fucks 0:30:44.640 --> 0:30:46.320 up your brain, It fucks up your kidneys, It can 0:30:46.400 --> 0:30:50.040 kill you. Children in poor urban areas were chok full 0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:53.360 of lead. The paint had been discontinued in the nineteen forties, 0:30:53.400 --> 0:30:56.120 but no one was checking poor houses housing areas to 0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:58.400 make sure that, like landlords were getting rid of the 0:30:58.520 --> 0:31:02.240 lead paint and shit. New York City late nineteen sixties, 0:31:02.360 --> 0:31:05.040 twenty five to thirty five thousand kids were getting fucked 0:31:05.080 --> 0:31:07.920 up by lead poisoning every year. Wow, and that's just 0:31:07.960 --> 0:31:09.680 the ones who were like it was bad enough or 0:31:09.720 --> 0:31:13.600 got noticed in that way. Right. Of course, one kid, 0:31:13.960 --> 0:31:16.040 he was two years old, his name was Gregory Franklin. 0:31:16.080 --> 0:31:20.240 He was killed by lead paint and basically since he 0:31:20.280 --> 0:31:22.360 had been born, his parents had been fighting with their 0:31:22.400 --> 0:31:24.680 landlord to deal with the lead paint in their house 0:31:25.200 --> 0:31:28.400 to no success, and then they lost their child. So 0:31:29.200 --> 0:31:33.320 the Young Lords spring into action. They what they needed 0:31:33.440 --> 0:31:36.560 was a lead offensive. Yeah, I love it. 0:31:37.160 --> 0:31:37.440 I know. 0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:40.840 It's so good, especially lead offensive because it sounds like 0:31:40.840 --> 0:31:43.160 it's going to be about machine guns. But they're still 0:31:43.240 --> 0:31:45.640 unarmed except for with that particular tool that we're going 0:31:45.640 --> 0:31:46.400 to get to you later. 0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:47.760 OHCT. 0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:50.600 The city had access to a ton of free lead 0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:52.920 poisoning kits, but they weren't distributing them, or at least 0:31:52.920 --> 0:31:55.600 they weren't distributed him in these areas. So during the 0:31:55.680 --> 0:31:58.479 nineteen sixty nine mayor all election, the Young Lords announced 0:31:58.520 --> 0:32:00.479 they were going to do free door to door testing 0:32:00.560 --> 0:32:03.480 with these kits, which the city hadn't promised them. They 0:32:03.520 --> 0:32:04.880 didn't call up the city and be like, hey, can 0:32:04.880 --> 0:32:06.200 we get some kids, and then say hey, we're going 0:32:06.240 --> 0:32:09.240 to do testing. They just announced the city is going 0:32:09.280 --> 0:32:12.400 to give us kits call and we are going to 0:32:12.440 --> 0:32:16.040 do testing. And the government was like no. So then 0:32:16.440 --> 0:32:19.840 medical personnel and the Young Lords did a sit in 0:32:19.920 --> 0:32:22.480 at the Department of Health and they walked out that 0:32:22.520 --> 0:32:24.680 particular day with two hundred kids and I believe started 0:32:24.680 --> 0:32:25.800 just getting kids from the city. 0:32:26.560 --> 0:32:27.240 Wow. 0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:30.400 Yeah, direct action gets the fucking goods. And they went 0:32:30.480 --> 0:32:32.840 door to door doing testing for lead. And it was 0:32:32.880 --> 0:32:34.920 two groups. It was the Young Lords and then h 0:32:35.000 --> 0:32:42.320 Rum the Health Movement and they the larger coalition that 0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:45.720 they're part of. And so they tracked who they who 0:32:45.760 --> 0:32:49.280 needed treatment, and the doctors with them made referrals. So 0:32:49.320 --> 0:32:52.920 they go around and be like Young Lords and doctors 0:32:52.960 --> 0:32:57.040 working together. Over thirty percent of the kids that they 0:32:57.080 --> 0:33:03.000 tested tested positive for let exposure. And so then they 0:33:03.000 --> 0:33:05.160 would sit down and talk with people about their rights 0:33:05.200 --> 0:33:06.720 and about how to go about and try and get 0:33:06.800 --> 0:33:09.120 justice and try and get health health needs taken care of. 0:33:09.920 --> 0:33:12.560 And they did this once a week. One source says 0:33:12.600 --> 0:33:14.840 they did every Saturday. One source they says they did 0:33:14.840 --> 0:33:19.640 it every Tuesday, because why would history agree with itself. 0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:23.280 I mean the answer is because it was a bunch 0:33:23.280 --> 0:33:25.640 of humans, and humans don't remember shit from forty years ago, 0:33:25.760 --> 0:33:27.880 very clearly. Yeah yeah yeah at the time. 0:33:27.800 --> 0:33:30.200 Way, yeah, they were doing it once a week and. 0:33:30.240 --> 0:33:33.480 Yeah, yeah, get I mean to cut you off. I'm 0:33:33.480 --> 0:33:35.680 sorry saying oh yeah, that's all. 0:33:36.000 --> 0:33:37.920 That's all I was saying. It's a great It's like 0:33:37.960 --> 0:33:39.920 an incredible thing to do with your time. 0:33:40.440 --> 0:33:41.120 Yeah, totally. 0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:42.200 Yeah. 0:33:42.240 --> 0:33:46.200 It's like even it's like it's like volunteerism or whatever, right, 0:33:46.240 --> 0:33:48.120 but it's like fucking direct action. You're going around and 0:33:48.160 --> 0:33:50.560 helping people and like you're getting to know your neighbors 0:33:50.560 --> 0:33:54.680 and like they's just like not a downside, yeah, you know. 0:33:55.560 --> 0:33:57.960 And so they publicized what they found and it became 0:33:57.960 --> 0:33:59.960 a scandal for the city who had refused to take 0:34:00.440 --> 0:34:03.000 had refused to give them the tests, you know. So 0:34:03.080 --> 0:34:06.880 within within months, the city changed its housing codes, stepped 0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:10.840 up testing, founded the Bureau of Lead Poisoning Control. I 0:34:10.880 --> 0:34:15.880 think basically because they were like, if you tell the city, like, 0:34:16.400 --> 0:34:18.879 if you don't take care of people, the socialists will 0:34:19.160 --> 0:34:23.919 the cities Like, maybe we should take care of the people. 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Yeah that is this is 0:34:59.320 --> 0:35:04.360 an ad for respecting your elder turtlesh you should listen 0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:10.000 to the Methuselah turtles in your life and then whatever 0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:12.319 else these other ads are. We didn't approve of their 0:35:12.440 --> 0:35:20.359 an accident. I hope it's all turtle ads. Okay, we're back. 0:35:21.840 --> 0:35:25.080 My favorite turtle fact I learned is that box turtles 0:35:25.280 --> 0:35:29.440 stay within a mile or so of where they were 0:35:29.440 --> 0:35:33.520 born their whole life. Oh wow, that was wanted from 0:35:33.560 --> 0:35:35.759 that ad. Just now about turtles that we are heard? 0:35:36.760 --> 0:35:42.280 Oh yeah I didn't. I didn't hear that. Just local 0:35:42.280 --> 0:35:43.160 little guys. 0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:50.640 Yeah, keep it local like a yeah, all right, so 0:35:53.880 --> 0:35:55.400 let's talk about and they take over church, I mean 0:35:55.760 --> 0:35:58.759 around that time they keep working on survival programs too, 0:35:58.800 --> 0:36:01.000 which is what they call the like you know, breakfast 0:36:01.040 --> 0:36:04.600 program and stuff like that. Right, but they wanted to 0:36:04.600 --> 0:36:08.080 do more and they needed another base of operations. And 0:36:08.160 --> 0:36:12.080 also their friend and the Black panther Fred Hampton, had 0:36:12.120 --> 0:36:16.560 just been murdered in Chicago by the police. So wow, 0:36:16.719 --> 0:36:18.440 they were looking for a place that they could operate 0:36:18.480 --> 0:36:22.520 that the police probably wouldn't storm in a hail of gunfire. Okay, 0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:23.600 So they wanted a. 0:36:23.600 --> 0:36:28.680 Church reliant by the way, I know, and I feel 0:36:28.719 --> 0:36:32.239 like I always wondered why the church And that's like 0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:37.640 a very great point. Yeah, practical point. 0:36:38.160 --> 0:36:42.560 Yeah, it also is that Like, Okay, so their Marxist 0:36:42.640 --> 0:36:48.919 Leninist organization right ostensibly and practically, but they're clearly doing 0:36:48.920 --> 0:36:51.560 their own thing. They're things their own way and in 0:36:51.600 --> 0:36:54.839 their own context. So they're not an atheist organization like 0:36:54.880 --> 0:36:58.640 Marxist Lenism is like supposed to be. Right, some of 0:36:58.640 --> 0:37:01.800 them are atheists, some of them or not. The Christian 0:37:01.880 --> 0:37:04.960 Church was criticized regularly by the Young Lords for being 0:37:05.000 --> 0:37:09.160 an instrument of colonization, completely accurate, but at the same time, 0:37:09.280 --> 0:37:11.160 they used Christ as a man of the people a 0:37:11.200 --> 0:37:12.279 lot in their propaganda. 0:37:13.239 --> 0:37:15.000 Oh I like it, I like it. 0:37:15.400 --> 0:37:20.200 Yeah, they had posters. I really want one. They had 0:37:20.239 --> 0:37:22.680 posters of Jesus with an AK forty seven slung around 0:37:22.680 --> 0:37:23.160 his shoulder. 0:37:23.920 --> 0:37:27.680 Wait, what do we get that? I'm like immediately on 0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:28.200 the ubay. 0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:33.040 I know, anybody who's listening, if you have access to 0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:36.399 these posters, please send them to me and Alinda seriously. 0:37:37.480 --> 0:37:39.359 And I think that some of the radical Catholics are 0:37:39.400 --> 0:37:41.480 rolling with them at this point. You can hear more 0:37:41.480 --> 0:37:44.400 about the passifist radical Catholics in our episode the passifist 0:37:44.480 --> 0:37:45.960 Radical The ones who are rolling with the Young Lords 0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:48.080 probably aren't pacist, but I'm not sure. You can hear 0:37:48.080 --> 0:37:50.200 more about them in our episode about the Burglars versus 0:37:50.280 --> 0:37:53.120 the FBI that came out recently. So the Young Lords 0:37:53.200 --> 0:37:55.239 they're looking for this new base and they go to 0:37:55.280 --> 0:37:58.839 a Spanish church in Harlem and they're like, hey, can 0:37:58.840 --> 0:38:02.560 me use your space? But the priest at East Harlem's 0:38:02.600 --> 0:38:05.920 first Spanish United Methodist church didn't want to let them 0:38:05.920 --> 0:38:09.320 feed kids there. He was a refugee from Castor's Cuba 0:38:09.360 --> 0:38:13.880 and he was not super lefty. It's a way that 0:38:13.960 --> 0:38:17.440 one could say that. So they went four more times 0:38:17.480 --> 0:38:22.640 to Sunday Mass, and they would participate in mass, I believe, respectfully, 0:38:23.040 --> 0:38:25.600 but then they would also like speak up and be like, 0:38:26.239 --> 0:38:29.759 let us feed kids here. Each time the priest was like, no, 0:38:29.960 --> 0:38:32.239 you can't do that. So then they go, I think 0:38:32.280 --> 0:38:35.520 it's time number five, but I'm not entirely sure, And 0:38:35.560 --> 0:38:37.400 a young lord tries to speak at the service, and 0:38:37.440 --> 0:38:40.440 an undercover cop pops up to arrest him because the 0:38:40.480 --> 0:38:42.879 priest had set up a sting to arrest the young 0:38:42.920 --> 0:38:48.919 lord's during mass. So yick, I know, so a brawl 0:38:49.000 --> 0:38:54.000 broke out. Because a brawl broke out between cops and 0:38:54.040 --> 0:38:57.280 lords in the house of the lord, Thirteen young lords, 0:38:57.320 --> 0:39:00.759 eight men and five women were arrested and five more hospitalized. 0:39:01.320 --> 0:39:05.040 Oh wow. Religious civil rights leaders came out against the 0:39:05.160 --> 0:39:07.080 church for having set up a sting to arrest the 0:39:07.080 --> 0:39:11.200 lord the lords at mass. So the young Lords gave up, 0:39:11.360 --> 0:39:15.040 went home, disbanded their organism. No, it stiffened the resolve 0:39:15.120 --> 0:39:19.680 to use the church, and it also turned more of 0:39:19.719 --> 0:39:22.320 the congregation into supporters of the young lord's request to 0:39:22.400 --> 0:39:27.000 use the space. The congregation of the church was fairly split, 0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:30.600 and more of the younger congregants were like fuck yeah, 0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:32.759 the Young Lord's rule, and more of the older congregants 0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:36.600 were like, the Young Lord's drool totally how they phrased it. 0:39:39.520 --> 0:39:43.840 And so the next Sunday, five hundred supporters for the 0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:47.319 Young Lords waited outside. The Young Lords met with the 0:39:47.400 --> 0:39:50.200 church board, who started off the conversation by saying racist 0:39:50.200 --> 0:39:54.400 shit against Puerto Ricans. That's the other like background context 0:39:54.400 --> 0:39:55.799 to a lot of this, right, It's not just like 0:39:55.840 --> 0:39:59.360 people being like I have slightly more conservative economic values 0:39:59.400 --> 0:40:00.640 than you, and I don't think it's a good way 0:40:00.680 --> 0:40:04.719 to help people grow up. No, they're like you, I'm 0:40:04.719 --> 0:40:06.440 not gonna say it how they would say it. You 0:40:06.640 --> 0:40:10.359 lazy Puerto Ricans have no work ethic and that's why 0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:13.840 you're all poor and you blow all your welfare money 0:40:13.840 --> 0:40:18.239 on beer. These are some of the my paraphrasing of 0:40:18.280 --> 0:40:19.560 what they've said, you know. 0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:20.800 Yeah yeah. 0:40:20.880 --> 0:40:24.680 Also that it was disrespectful for the Afro Puerto Ricans 0:40:24.719 --> 0:40:27.719 to have to wear their hair and Afros was another thing. 0:40:27.760 --> 0:40:29.880 The priests were like, we don't like your haircut. 0:40:30.960 --> 0:40:35.800 Wow, way did go out of your Like you're laying 0:40:36.120 --> 0:40:41.839 by the way, literally, no one's asking you about people's hair. 0:40:42.680 --> 0:40:46.240 But cool, you're supposed to be talking about Jesus and stuff. 0:40:46.480 --> 0:40:51.920 Yeah, Famous, if no one asked you. Famous hates people 0:40:51.920 --> 0:40:56.560 for their haircut. Jesus maybe he doesn't like frosted tips. 0:40:56.600 --> 0:40:59.400 I'm not sure. I've never asked him about tins. But 0:41:01.760 --> 0:41:05.200 so for two more weeks they keep going to Sunday 0:41:05.200 --> 0:41:08.440 mass So this is like two months now, right. Then 0:41:08.480 --> 0:41:11.359 the third week after they've been beaten by cops, it's 0:41:11.400 --> 0:41:14.880 December twenty eighth, nineteen sixty nine, they go to a 0:41:14.920 --> 0:41:18.879 Sunday service and then they nail the doors shut, lock 0:41:18.960 --> 0:41:23.719 themselves inside, and they basically take the university takeover strategy 0:41:23.840 --> 0:41:26.080 to the community. And if you remember, this isn't the 0:41:26.080 --> 0:41:27.800 first time the Young Lads, the Young Lords in Chicago 0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:31.759 took over a church as well, right, but it certainly 0:41:31.800 --> 0:41:34.799 gets presented that they're drawing more from their experiences during 0:41:34.800 --> 0:41:39.320 the Columbia University takeover, which is when Columbia University students 0:41:39.360 --> 0:41:42.120 led by led by black students took over much of 0:41:42.120 --> 0:41:44.560 the university, which if you want to hear more about, 0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:46.960 listen to our episode about Up against the Wall Motherfuckers, 0:41:47.680 --> 0:41:50.000 the which I think we just called up against the 0:41:50.040 --> 0:41:52.719 Wall in the title because we're not allowed to cuss 0:41:52.840 --> 0:41:53.560 on the title. 0:41:53.600 --> 0:41:55.000 Oh. 0:41:55.080 --> 0:41:57.600 I like that this entire podcast has turned into an 0:41:57.640 --> 0:41:59.759 ad for other episodes of our podcast. 0:42:01.200 --> 0:42:04.280 I like to see it as weaving the web of history, 0:42:04.680 --> 0:42:10.120 but it's also yeah, it's also just yeah, you know, 0:42:10.160 --> 0:42:15.000 if you want more context. They didn't take hostages. They 0:42:15.080 --> 0:42:17.759 let anyone out who wanted to leave. They held a 0:42:17.760 --> 0:42:19.719 press conference and they said that their demand was the 0:42:19.719 --> 0:42:21.600 ability to run a food program out of the church. 0:42:22.080 --> 0:42:25.000 And they couched it all in religious language, but without lying. 0:42:25.680 --> 0:42:28.759 They were like, they weren't like, oh, Christianity's perfect in 0:42:28.800 --> 0:42:30.839 every way and they're doing it wrong. They're like, look, 0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:33.640 Christianity became a religion of colonization, but Jesus himself was 0:42:33.640 --> 0:42:36.080 a man of the people. Because that's their line, right, 0:42:37.600 --> 0:42:40.640 and they echo liberation theology stuff which you can hear 0:42:40.719 --> 0:42:42.920 more about in our episodes about Chico Mendez in the 0:42:42.960 --> 0:42:47.040 Fight for the Rainforest. Now, I'm just gonna do it 0:42:47.040 --> 0:42:51.640 to make Sophie shake her head. The mayor, this is 0:42:51.680 --> 0:42:53.200 like one of my favorite details of this whole thing. 0:42:53.880 --> 0:42:55.800 So the mayor has a Puerto Rican aid, like a 0:42:56.640 --> 0:42:59.920 guy who's his point of contact with the Puerto Rican community. Okay, 0:43:00.480 --> 0:43:02.120 his name is Arnie Segata. 0:43:03.120 --> 0:43:09.200 Okay, yeah, wait, like my I utilizing that's my uncle. 0:43:10.120 --> 0:43:11.200 Wait is it your uncle? 0:43:11.520 --> 0:43:13.480 No? I have no idea who Ernie is. But Arnie 0:43:14.120 --> 0:43:16.920 related Arnie, Arnie, we're related though. 0:43:16.800 --> 0:43:19.719 Yeah, Arnie Segata, it's spelled the same way. I had 0:43:19.719 --> 0:43:21.359 to just double check. I had to look up your 0:43:21.360 --> 0:43:22.960 own I had to look up your last name. I 0:43:23.000 --> 0:43:26.799 remember I was spelling it right in my head because 0:43:26.840 --> 0:43:29.600 I'm like not very good at the double rold ours thing, 0:43:29.640 --> 0:43:32.600 and so I was like, oh, maybe anyway, so your 0:43:32.680 --> 0:43:33.960 uncle Arnie. 0:43:33.920 --> 0:43:36.919 Oh god does he suck? I'm worried about. 0:43:37.000 --> 0:43:37.720 No, he's great. 0:43:38.280 --> 0:43:40.600 Oh good, good, good, you come from Arnie. Let's go, 0:43:40.960 --> 0:43:41.279 let's go. 0:43:41.960 --> 0:43:42.560 Uh. 0:43:42.640 --> 0:43:45.879 So he started off not great because he's the mayor's guy. 0:43:46.280 --> 0:43:48.400 He gets sent he's the token guy. You guess he 0:43:48.480 --> 0:43:50.880 used to quell unrest in Puerto Rican neighborhoods. He was 0:43:50.880 --> 0:43:53.279 probably on the ground during the trash burning being like 0:43:53.320 --> 0:43:56.480 everyone cal him down. So the Mayor's like, here, go in, 0:43:56.680 --> 0:43:59.800 and he has this like backpack telephone, this like radio 0:44:00.080 --> 0:44:02.400 like military fucking telephone, you know. 0:44:02.600 --> 0:44:03.000 Wow. 0:44:03.800 --> 0:44:07.560 Forty minutes later, the Mayor's office is like radios and 0:44:07.640 --> 0:44:09.840 it's like, what the fuck, where are you? What's happening? 0:44:10.400 --> 0:44:13.560 And Arnie is like, I think they're right, and I'm 0:44:13.640 --> 0:44:18.160 staying with them. Oh God, and he gets fired and 0:44:18.200 --> 0:44:22.080 he stays Arnie, Yeah. 0:44:21.920 --> 0:44:25.279 My man, I gotta kind of like look this guy 0:44:25.400 --> 0:44:27.440 up on the internet right now. 0:44:29.560 --> 0:44:32.560 So they renamed the place the People's Church, and the 0:44:32.560 --> 0:44:34.759 community pours in to discuss what to do about all 0:44:34.840 --> 0:44:38.560 kinds of shit like evictions to lack of interpretation services 0:44:38.560 --> 0:44:45.280 at school meetings, and it was called the Church Offensive. 0:44:46.520 --> 0:44:47.040 Wow. 0:44:49.560 --> 0:44:51.600 I really hope that at some point a young lord 0:44:51.640 --> 0:44:53.880 became a youth pastor, sat down backwards on a folding 0:44:53.960 --> 0:44:56.239 chair and said, you know who else had a ten 0:44:56.280 --> 0:44:59.479 point program and then talked about the ten Commandments. That's 0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:06.600 what I hope. So they ran a medical clinic there 0:45:06.640 --> 0:45:09.719 because of course they did, staffed by all their doctor comrades, 0:45:09.719 --> 0:45:12.400 and they ran their breakfast program plus free community meals 0:45:12.480 --> 0:45:15.719 every evening for everyone, and so it's like all of 0:45:15.719 --> 0:45:18.040 these different people from the community coming and bringing in 0:45:18.280 --> 0:45:21.440 food and sharing it with everyone. It's fucking utopian, like 0:45:21.520 --> 0:45:25.839 just frankly, yeah, yeah. They taught classes on Puerto Rican 0:45:25.840 --> 0:45:29.040 and black history. They set up a loud speaker facing 0:45:29.080 --> 0:45:31.359 the street that played speeches for Malcolm X and shit 0:45:31.480 --> 0:45:32.960 alongside Puerto Rican music. 0:45:33.920 --> 0:45:34.400 Wow. 0:45:35.239 --> 0:45:38.480 The Young Lords generally didn't carry weapons, and when they 0:45:38.480 --> 0:45:42.399 needed security they Okay, I want you you both get 0:45:42.400 --> 0:45:44.560 a guess again. So if you can't look at the script, 0:45:44.640 --> 0:45:48.840 I'm not guess what their weapon was. The flail wasn't correct, 0:45:49.120 --> 0:45:56.240 the battle axe was incorrect. I'll give you a hint. Turtles, 0:45:57.600 --> 0:45:57.920 what do. 0:45:57.960 --> 0:46:06.919 You a shell? Like? Wait, how there's there's like they're 0:46:07.000 --> 0:46:08.520 out throwing shells. 0:46:09.400 --> 0:46:11.040 No, they have nun chucks. 0:46:12.000 --> 0:46:18.879 Ah, oh my, I'm so sorry. 0:46:19.160 --> 0:46:19.359 Yeah. 0:46:21.320 --> 0:46:27.960 Sorry, So they carry nunchucks as theirs their weapons of choice, 0:46:28.120 --> 0:46:30.960 which is I mean, like frankly like, it's a scary 0:46:31.000 --> 0:46:34.200 weapon to carry, but it's like not a you know, 0:46:34.360 --> 0:46:35.840 it's not a like kill you weapon. 0:46:36.800 --> 0:46:37.320 Yeah. 0:46:37.640 --> 0:46:39.640 But if someone walks up to me and they're like 0:46:39.719 --> 0:46:42.560 kind of scary anyway and they have a breton and 0:46:42.560 --> 0:46:45.160 they're carrying nunchucks, like I don't want to fuck with them. 0:46:45.520 --> 0:46:50.520 Absolutely not. This is like also the most New York 0:46:50.600 --> 0:46:53.279 thing ever, by the way, Oh yeah, because you know 0:46:53.440 --> 0:46:55.400 it's just like I mean, it just is in the 0:46:55.400 --> 0:46:56.319 way that it's this like. 0:46:56.400 --> 0:46:59.400 Cross cultural like oh my god, you're right. 0:46:59.400 --> 0:47:02.280 Moment, you know. I mean, I'm sure this was coming 0:47:02.320 --> 0:47:07.080 out of like at the time Kung Fu movies were huge. Yeah, 0:47:07.560 --> 0:47:11.200 you know, like this is just oh really yeah, it's 0:47:11.239 --> 0:47:13.360 just the most New York image in my mind. 0:47:13.680 --> 0:47:14.120 Yeah. 0:47:14.160 --> 0:47:18.280 Totally also very warriors energy. 0:47:19.000 --> 0:47:24.000 Yeah, totally totally. Which is I mean, that's their roots, right, 0:47:24.120 --> 0:47:27.640 It's like they're a crazy gang that wants to realize 0:47:27.640 --> 0:47:29.600 that there's more of them than there are cops in 0:47:29.600 --> 0:47:33.759 this town. So white supporters use their whiteness to pass 0:47:33.800 --> 0:47:35.560 through police lines and deliver supplies. 0:47:36.680 --> 0:47:37.240 Oh wow. 0:47:37.920 --> 0:47:40.319 And the young lords made sure that no one did 0:47:40.320 --> 0:47:42.640 any desecrating of the church, and they kept the altar 0:47:42.680 --> 0:47:47.839 and everything intact. They actually even kept Sunday services and 0:47:47.880 --> 0:47:49.880 like the regular congregation was able to come in and 0:47:49.920 --> 0:47:52.640 use the church on Sunday even during their occupation, although 0:47:52.640 --> 0:47:58.600 only the younger congregants came. Right, the people don't like 0:47:58.640 --> 0:48:02.080 them aren't going to show up, and they held festivals 0:48:02.080 --> 0:48:05.200 of the oppressed with Puerto Rican music, with poets and 0:48:05.280 --> 0:48:09.200 musicians and writers and artists. I read something that claimed 0:48:09.960 --> 0:48:11.040 this is the kind of thing that I feel like 0:48:11.080 --> 0:48:13.520 a lot of places might claim origin to that the 0:48:13.560 --> 0:48:16.400 spoken word poetry jam, like the whole concept of the 0:48:16.400 --> 0:48:21.520 spoken word poetry jam, yeah, was developed here. I believe it, 0:48:21.719 --> 0:48:24.080 and if so, this is one of the foundations of 0:48:24.120 --> 0:48:24.560 hip hop. 0:48:25.880 --> 0:48:26.280 Yeah. 0:48:26.960 --> 0:48:30.959 It's also where the poet Pedro Pietry gave his first 0:48:30.960 --> 0:48:34.080 public reading of his poem Puerto Rican Obituary. 0:48:34.120 --> 0:48:37.839 Which is featured in my song Ballante. Yeah, and there's 0:48:37.960 --> 0:48:41.680 incredible footage of him reading it, I think for the 0:48:41.680 --> 0:48:44.239 first time on YouTube that you guys should check out 0:48:44.280 --> 0:48:46.000 because it's very moving. 0:48:46.360 --> 0:48:48.840 Yeah, it is a even if you're like not a 0:48:50.040 --> 0:48:53.080 poetry girl, you should go and listen to this. 0:48:54.120 --> 0:48:54.560 Yeah. 0:48:54.760 --> 0:48:57.880 Yeah, very much street poetry. You're not going to cringe. 0:48:58.040 --> 0:49:01.960 It's not like Predicatre Louie Slam yet, you know, it's 0:49:02.080 --> 0:49:06.359 very I remember reading that that poem for the first 0:49:06.400 --> 0:49:08.759 time when I was in high school in an anthology 0:49:09.280 --> 0:49:13.760 of called like the Outlaws Anthology of Poetry or something, 0:49:13.760 --> 0:49:17.600 and reading that poem really was the first time I 0:49:17.640 --> 0:49:22.920 ever saw pernercan NICs be like so talked about in 0:49:22.960 --> 0:49:24.440 such a real way, in a way that was like 0:49:24.440 --> 0:49:25.560 a Mickey Mouse way. 0:49:25.640 --> 0:49:28.440 You know, I believe you, but tell me more, what's 0:49:28.480 --> 0:49:29.319 the Mickey Mouse way? 0:49:31.080 --> 0:49:34.239 Like the way that we were portrayed in media when 0:49:34.239 --> 0:49:37.480 I was growing up, which was very like docile and 0:49:37.560 --> 0:49:42.240 fun and like it was very j lo very Ricky Martin. 0:49:42.520 --> 0:49:45.120 That was like what I grew up with. And also 0:49:45.280 --> 0:49:49.000 like literally West Side Story being something that's like, oh, well, 0:49:49.040 --> 0:49:52.400 you can see us featured in such recent movie as 0:49:52.400 --> 0:49:55.960 this West Side Story, and it's like nineteen ninety eight, 0:49:56.520 --> 0:50:01.040 why is this the last reference that I have? Yeah, 0:50:01.080 --> 0:50:03.160 So it was just very much you know, I was 0:50:03.200 --> 0:50:05.280 hanging out in the Lower east Side and Tomkins Square 0:50:05.320 --> 0:50:07.799 Park and stuff and for the first time being like, 0:50:07.960 --> 0:50:11.480 oh my god, the problems that I'm seeing in society 0:50:11.520 --> 0:50:15.280 now were happening then, and people like me, we're talking 0:50:15.320 --> 0:50:17.680 about it and we're experiencing it, and this is like 0:50:18.040 --> 0:50:23.239 a poem that's expressing that angst, you know. Yeah, so 0:50:23.280 --> 0:50:24.840 it was a very powerful moment for me. 0:50:25.360 --> 0:50:26.600 Yeah. 0:50:26.680 --> 0:50:26.879 Yeah. 0:50:26.920 --> 0:50:29.560 The first time I heard it was in your song. 0:50:29.840 --> 0:50:32.560 And then when I like I was reading about this, 0:50:32.680 --> 0:50:34.759 I was like oh, because I was just all yeah, 0:50:34.880 --> 0:50:37.640 and all the connections. So I want to quote about 0:50:37.640 --> 0:50:40.120 this takeover just to keep telling met how fucking cool 0:50:40.120 --> 0:50:42.520 it is. From the best book on this history that 0:50:42.560 --> 0:50:44.719 I found was called The Young Lord is called The 0:50:44.719 --> 0:50:51.719 Young Lords by Johanna Fernandez. Cool quote. Immediately, local grandmothers 0:50:51.760 --> 0:50:54.400 began delivering pots of food to the Puerto Rican radicals 0:50:54.440 --> 0:50:57.399 through church windows, while a feelanx of National Lawyer's Guild 0:50:57.440 --> 0:51:00.600 attorneys on site and then the church's periphery filed court 0:51:00.640 --> 0:51:04.040 injunctions and reminded judges and police of the barricaded radicals 0:51:04.040 --> 0:51:08.759 constitutionally protected right to protest teetering between sacrilege and righteousness. 0:51:09.080 --> 0:51:11.880 The Young Lord's unfolding drama was captured by TV cameras 0:51:11.880 --> 0:51:14.480 parked in the out parked in and outside of the 0:51:14.520 --> 0:51:18.400 House of Warship. And yeah, because of the National Lawyer's Guild. 0:51:18.640 --> 0:51:20.399 Shout out to the National Lawyer's Guild who were also 0:51:20.440 --> 0:51:23.280 still around and doing amazing things, the fight to evict 0:51:23.280 --> 0:51:25.759 them was held in the courts rather than just like 0:51:25.800 --> 0:51:28.120 storming the place. Because you hear about this and you're 0:51:28.160 --> 0:51:30.000 kind of like, well, why didn't they just like storm it, right, 0:51:30.080 --> 0:51:32.080 And the answer is, oh, yeah, they took it to court. 0:51:32.760 --> 0:51:37.520 And their strategy, which is probably never gonna win or whatever. Yeah, 0:51:37.560 --> 0:51:40.920 their strategy was basically a Methodist church is mandated to 0:51:40.920 --> 0:51:44.920 help people, and that's what we're doing. And this stalled 0:51:44.920 --> 0:51:49.160 their eviction, but not for all that long. I think 0:51:49.200 --> 0:51:53.200 it's thirteen days. Maybe in the end. On January seventh, 0:51:53.320 --> 0:51:57.080 nineteen seventy, the occupants gave themselves up into police custody 0:51:57.320 --> 0:51:59.920 walking out of the church. Some of them were singing, 0:52:00.080 --> 0:52:03.520 some of them had their fists raised in silence. When 0:52:03.520 --> 0:52:06.680 presented before a judge, each one corrected the judge the 0:52:06.760 --> 0:52:09.719 judge's pronunciation of their name, saying their own names in 0:52:09.719 --> 0:52:13.160 Spanish instead of English, which is such a good fuck 0:52:13.200 --> 0:52:18.399 you don't They didn't win the use of the church. 0:52:19.040 --> 0:52:21.000 The church promised to run a daycare center and a 0:52:21.040 --> 0:52:24.239 drug detoc center, but it never did. But they they 0:52:24.320 --> 0:52:28.680 won yet again. The government's shamed into action. Just as importantly, 0:52:28.719 --> 0:52:31.479 their power is growing, and we're going to talk about 0:52:31.480 --> 0:52:36.520 what they did with their growing power on Wednesday in 0:52:36.560 --> 0:52:38.600 the final part of this four part epic. 0:52:39.840 --> 0:52:40.879 I want it to end. 0:52:42.200 --> 0:52:44.480 Well, when we come back, we're going to see them 0:52:44.480 --> 0:52:49.440 overthrow capitalism and no, I'm just kidding it cointel repression 0:52:49.440 --> 0:52:51.880 and internal conflict fuel by authoritarian structure and going to 0:52:51.920 --> 0:52:54.960 fuck them up. But their legacy will live on and 0:52:55.000 --> 0:52:56.640 when we come back, they're going to take over a 0:52:56.640 --> 0:52:57.400 fucking hospital. 0:52:58.520 --> 0:53:01.440 Yeah yeah, was gonn say Linded? Do you know what 0:53:01.480 --> 0:53:07.040 else is based? You're pluggables? My what you're pluggables? Anything 0:53:07.080 --> 0:53:07.239 that you. 0:53:09.640 --> 0:53:13.960 Well, you can find me on all of the social media's, 0:53:14.480 --> 0:53:17.239 uh some of them terrify me more than others. But 0:53:17.360 --> 0:53:20.400 I'm on Instagram as hooray for the riff raff that 0:53:20.480 --> 0:53:23.440 spelled with a U h u r r a y 0:53:23.600 --> 0:53:27.240 for the riff raff on Twitter and all the other ones, 0:53:27.920 --> 0:53:30.640 and I'll be on tour this summer on the West 0:53:30.680 --> 0:53:33.320 Coast and also through the Midwest in July. 0:53:33.840 --> 0:53:36.560 Oh yeah, magpie, anything you want to plug. 0:53:37.560 --> 0:53:39.960 My other podcasts, Live Like the World Is Dying has 0:53:40.040 --> 0:53:42.480 gone weekly, So if you're like, how am I going 0:53:42.520 --> 0:53:44.640 to make it till Monday? You can listen to me 0:53:44.840 --> 0:53:48.040 or one of my other co hosts on Friday by 0:53:48.080 --> 0:53:53.520 listening to Live Like the World Is Dying. And I'm 0:53:53.560 --> 0:53:59.080 on social media even though I hate it are so 0:53:59.200 --> 0:54:03.040 if you want to participate in either everyone feeling bad 0:54:03.040 --> 0:54:05.439 about themselves been trying to perform coolness, you can see 0:54:05.440 --> 0:54:08.719 me on Instagram at Margaret Kiljoy or if you want 0:54:08.719 --> 0:54:11.520 to have bad faith arguments with people making bad faith 0:54:11.600 --> 0:54:14.480 arguments about you and watch the Left of Hour itself. 0:54:14.680 --> 0:54:19.400 You can find me on Twitter at Magpie Killjoy. Sophie, 0:54:19.520 --> 0:54:20.640 what do you got? What do you want to plug? 0:54:21.280 --> 0:54:24.240 Ah? 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Our music was 0:56:23.880 --> 0:56:27.560 written for us by young woman, and today we're talking 0:56:27.560 --> 0:56:30.040 about the Young Lords, the Puerto Rican socialist organization that 0:56:30.160 --> 0:56:31.879 is kicking ass and taking names in New York City. 0:56:31.880 --> 0:56:34.759 In nineteen sixty nine, nineteen seventy, they've just taken over 0:56:34.760 --> 0:56:37.000 a Methodist church and turned it into the People's Church 0:56:37.000 --> 0:56:39.920 for eleven days, which I said thirteen last time because 0:56:39.960 --> 0:56:41.839 I wasn't looking at the script and I was coming 0:56:41.920 --> 0:56:43.560 up with numbers and I came up with the wrong one. 0:56:44.960 --> 0:56:47.000 They got a lot done for eleven days. 0:56:47.440 --> 0:56:50.600 I know, there's like multiple festivals of the oppressed that 0:56:50.640 --> 0:56:52.000 they managed to throw on eleven days. 0:56:52.040 --> 0:56:52.560 Totally. 0:56:53.440 --> 0:56:55.920 Could you imagine, like I would take more than eleven 0:56:56.000 --> 0:56:58.000 days to organize a festival the oppressed right now? 0:56:58.360 --> 0:56:58.520 Uh? 0:56:58.760 --> 0:57:03.600 Yeah, yeah, totally, Like all right, we're getting ready for 0:57:03.600 --> 0:57:05.520 twenty twenty fives festivally oppressed. 0:57:05.920 --> 0:57:06.440 Totally. 0:57:07.239 --> 0:57:12.640 Everyone got to check their schedules. So this action got 0:57:12.640 --> 0:57:17.120 them national attention and support, and their membership soared especially 0:57:17.200 --> 0:57:20.240 and it brought in again more women. More than six 0:57:20.320 --> 0:57:22.560 hundred new members came on. And this is an official 0:57:22.600 --> 0:57:26.800 membership organization as compared to some other things. Right, Okay, 0:57:27.600 --> 0:57:29.960 they would take Puerto Rican people, and they would take 0:57:30.000 --> 0:57:32.680 both non Puerto Rican black people and non Puerto Rican 0:57:32.720 --> 0:57:37.600 LATINX folks from their neighborhoods. Overall, they skewed demographically Afro 0:57:37.640 --> 0:57:42.400 Puerto Rican and English speaking at this point, so value 0:57:42.440 --> 0:57:45.720 judgment and that that's just what their demographics were. Yeah, 0:57:45.840 --> 0:57:49.040 I think it. Whatever. They'd already opened a Newark, New 0:57:49.080 --> 0:57:51.920 Jersey chapter by this point, and soon they opened some 0:57:52.000 --> 0:57:55.360 in the South Bronx Bridgeport, Connecticut, Boston, the Lower East Side, 0:57:55.400 --> 0:58:00.280 and Philly. They lived communally. They ate free meal at 0:58:00.280 --> 0:58:04.400 dining halls. They had a whole building. Now oh wow, Yeah, 0:58:04.760 --> 0:58:07.040 women and men live together and organized together and threw 0:58:07.080 --> 0:58:10.280 down together. And the women worked hard to fight chauvinism 0:58:10.320 --> 0:58:13.800 in the movement. They would specifically, this is the thing 0:58:13.840 --> 0:58:16.640 I didn't know to I researched this. They would call 0:58:16.720 --> 0:58:19.920 people out as male Chauvenes's pigs. And it's one of 0:58:19.960 --> 0:58:22.880 the first uses of that phrase, male Chauvenes's pig. And 0:58:22.920 --> 0:58:25.720 something I hadn't realized is that the men men are pigs. 0:58:25.760 --> 0:58:31.160 Rhetoric within feminism doesn't come out of calling men animals. 0:58:31.200 --> 0:58:33.640 Like it's not directly calling them the pig, the animal. 0:58:34.720 --> 0:58:38.000 It's that since the Black Panthers has started calling cops pigs, 0:58:38.720 --> 0:58:46.800 they're calling men cops, right wow. 0:58:47.560 --> 0:58:53.360 Yeah, yeah, they're saying you're being a cop right now? Yeah, 0:58:53.560 --> 0:58:57.480 Like that makes a lot more. It's just like it 0:58:57.560 --> 0:58:59.520 rings it rings well with me. 0:59:00.400 --> 0:59:03.480 Yeah, be like, you are the oppressor right now, you 0:59:03.520 --> 0:59:07.720 are passing, and it probably fucking stung more. Than being 0:59:07.800 --> 0:59:10.320 like because when you call men pigs, you're like, oh, 0:59:10.360 --> 0:59:13.160 you're a pig, You're you're gross and being overly sexual 0:59:13.240 --> 0:59:15.960 or whatever. Men are often like, yeah, I am, that's 0:59:15.960 --> 0:59:16.920 just the way we are. 0:59:16.840 --> 0:59:20.240 Baby, totally right, broachew. 0:59:20.640 --> 0:59:23.680 As compared to being like you are acting like a 0:59:23.720 --> 0:59:27.400 police officer, yeah, you know, which is not a nice 0:59:27.400 --> 0:59:30.840 thing to be called. And that helps get men get 0:59:30.840 --> 0:59:34.400 their shit together, as does a woman's caucus, as does 0:59:34.400 --> 0:59:36.400 an action that did not come up with my research, 0:59:36.440 --> 0:59:39.080 but you brought up Okay, but. 0:59:39.080 --> 0:59:42.840 Then I couldn't. I researched it online. I couldn't find 0:59:42.840 --> 0:59:43.840 it online. 0:59:43.480 --> 0:59:47.200 But I found a little bit claiming you did. Yeah, 0:59:47.200 --> 0:59:49.200 but only a little bit, like only a single reference, 0:59:49.200 --> 0:59:51.160 So you should say what you learned, Okay. 0:59:51.280 --> 0:59:53.240 I land this when I went to the Bronx Museum 0:59:53.280 --> 0:59:57.080 and they had an exhibit all about the Young Lords, 0:59:57.160 --> 1:00:01.959 and it was written in the paper that the women 1:00:02.000 --> 1:00:05.280 had gotten together and they decided if their demands would 1:00:05.280 --> 1:00:08.480 not be met where they were able to carry firearms. 1:00:08.520 --> 1:00:10.560 Although you're saying that they didn't really care well. 1:00:10.480 --> 1:00:12.400 Some people, so I know, I know, it's like it's messy. 1:00:12.440 --> 1:00:15.120 I think that they must have sometimes or something, but okay. 1:00:15.600 --> 1:00:21.360 And be treated as comrades instead of servants, and you know, 1:00:21.560 --> 1:00:25.120 like the way that traditionally their families taught them to 1:00:25.240 --> 1:00:29.840 treat women. There would be a sex strike. And you 1:00:29.880 --> 1:00:33.480 know this is also acting as if like the majority 1:00:34.160 --> 1:00:37.600 were straight, but that men would not be able to 1:00:37.680 --> 1:00:41.400 receive sex anymore from women until they got their shit together. 1:00:41.880 --> 1:00:47.400 Yeah, probably effective, I think is really cool. 1:00:47.960 --> 1:00:53.960 Yeah, and I don't know if if it went down 1:00:53.960 --> 1:00:56.760 for a long time or if it was put into effect, 1:00:56.920 --> 1:00:59.040 but it was definitely printed in the paper. 1:00:59.160 --> 1:01:03.280 It was definitely like warm, You've been warmed, is how 1:01:03.360 --> 1:01:04.560 it seemed in the paper. 1:01:05.400 --> 1:01:06.920 So the thing I ran across when I when I 1:01:06.960 --> 1:01:08.720 did more research after you told me this is that 1:01:09.240 --> 1:01:11.520 I ran across like one line that was like, in 1:01:11.600 --> 1:01:15.280 nineteen seventy the women had a sex strike. Okay, but 1:01:15.360 --> 1:01:18.400 I I don't entirely know. And actually it's interesting. I 1:01:18.440 --> 1:01:21.360 would trust well, I would trust Polente more than I 1:01:21.360 --> 1:01:23.960 would trust a random article that I read, yeah something, 1:01:24.200 --> 1:01:26.400 or even of history book. And so the thing about 1:01:26.400 --> 1:01:28.600 firearms is really interesting me because I there is going 1:01:28.640 --> 1:01:30.000 to be a point in the script when they kind 1:01:30.040 --> 1:01:32.560 of take up arms, right and all these other times 1:01:32.600 --> 1:01:34.640 they're like rolling around in nun trucks. But I bet 1:01:34.680 --> 1:01:36.680 you that there were times in which they were armed 1:01:36.680 --> 1:01:40.200 and that just wasn't like fitting the narrative of the 1:01:40.240 --> 1:01:43.280 way that people want to talk about things, and like, 1:01:43.800 --> 1:01:45.200 so I don't know, you know. 1:01:45.280 --> 1:01:49.720 Or perhaps it was like education and how to use firearms. Yeah, 1:01:49.920 --> 1:01:53.040 might have been the vibe. Like, so I learned that 1:01:53.080 --> 1:01:54.600 from when I went to the museum. But a lot 1:01:54.600 --> 1:01:57.240 of what I've learned is from a book called Ballante 1:01:57.400 --> 1:01:59.840 that I encourage people to get. It's I have here, 1:02:00.000 --> 1:02:03.360 no one's going to see. It's called Voices and Photographs 1:02:03.480 --> 1:02:06.360 of the Young Lords, and it's a lot of interviews 1:02:06.400 --> 1:02:10.240 and also like little you know, essays that were written 1:02:10.240 --> 1:02:13.760 in the newspaper. So cool. And one of the things 1:02:13.800 --> 1:02:16.520 that I read was talking about how they believed that 1:02:16.960 --> 1:02:21.400 how women members wanted to learn how to use firearms 1:02:21.440 --> 1:02:24.600 and not be treated like they weren't warriors. 1:02:24.840 --> 1:02:30.880 Yeah, makes a lot of sense. Yeah, So so they're 1:02:30.920 --> 1:02:34.120 doing all this after the church, their numbers were up. 1:02:35.000 --> 1:02:37.400 Their numbers became about thirty five to forty percent women, 1:02:38.040 --> 1:02:41.560 and there were numerous openly gay members, and gay members 1:02:41.600 --> 1:02:44.120 had their own Caucus as well. The Black Panthers paved 1:02:44.120 --> 1:02:46.280 their way on that one, openly stating their allegiance with 1:02:46.320 --> 1:02:48.920 the gay rights movement and specifically the Gay Liberation Front 1:02:49.360 --> 1:02:51.400 that had grown out of the Stonewall Uprising, which yes, 1:02:51.440 --> 1:02:54.480 you can hear about on our episode about the Stonewall Uprising. 1:02:56.760 --> 1:03:00.240 And in fact, the Young Lords provided a personal to 1:03:00.280 --> 1:03:03.480 Sylvia Rivera, the transit, one of the trans heroes from Stonewall, 1:03:04.040 --> 1:03:06.200 when she was facing death threats. And this is. 1:03:08.040 --> 1:03:11.600 Also half Puerto Rican. Oh yeah, it's right, just wanted 1:03:11.640 --> 1:03:13.080 to give her a shout out. 1:03:13.160 --> 1:03:16.160 No, yeah, fucking totally and like and so I will 1:03:16.200 --> 1:03:19.040 say that many Young Lords refused the assignment because they 1:03:19.120 --> 1:03:21.840 like were transphobic and didn't understand what the fuck was 1:03:21.920 --> 1:03:24.560 up and they were like freaked out, there's still a 1:03:24.560 --> 1:03:28.320 long way to go. But other ones accepted it and 1:03:28.400 --> 1:03:32.520 were Sylvia Rivera's personal bodyguard, were Young Lords, and that 1:03:32.800 --> 1:03:38.520 fucking rules. Yeah, people with jobs gave up more than 1:03:38.520 --> 1:03:41.200 half their salaries for the group. Because it sounds a 1:03:41.240 --> 1:03:47.200 little bit culty at this point, No one. My theory is, 1:03:47.240 --> 1:03:49.320 no one ever gets anything done without getting a little 1:03:49.320 --> 1:03:51.480 bit close to the cult line. You shouldn't cross the 1:03:51.520 --> 1:03:56.160 cult line, you know. But if the cult line isn't 1:03:56.160 --> 1:03:58.960 even in sight, you might not be creating a community. 1:03:59.000 --> 1:03:59.800 It's real messy. 1:04:00.080 --> 1:04:01.480 Ah, interesting, Okay. 1:04:03.760 --> 1:04:06.280 One of the cultier things that they did is they 1:04:06.320 --> 1:04:08.880 did that maoist self criticism thing where you're supposed to 1:04:08.920 --> 1:04:10.760 like stand up and say all the stuff you did 1:04:10.800 --> 1:04:12.920 wrong to the whole crowd. 1:04:13.080 --> 1:04:14.840 Oh, I've never heard of this before. 1:04:15.360 --> 1:04:17.920 It's it was a big part of like like the 1:04:17.920 --> 1:04:19.840 cultural revolution in China, which I don't know as much 1:04:19.840 --> 1:04:22.200 about as I would like to this like MAOIs self 1:04:22.200 --> 1:04:25.120 criticism thing. And what's interesting actually, if you listen to 1:04:25.200 --> 1:04:27.080 the podcast Behind the Bastards, they talk about a lot 1:04:27.120 --> 1:04:28.560 of cults and one of the things that comes up 1:04:28.560 --> 1:04:33.520 a lot is not MAOIs self criticism. But is this 1:04:33.680 --> 1:04:36.240 like stand up at a circle and admit why you're 1:04:36.320 --> 1:04:38.640 like bad and fall apart from like the group's rules 1:04:38.720 --> 1:04:42.760 or whatever. Is like a way you encourage group thinking, 1:04:42.960 --> 1:04:46.240 and it is, from my point of view bad. 1:04:47.000 --> 1:04:47.840 Yeah. 1:04:47.960 --> 1:04:50.160 Yeah, And anyone who failed to do this was called 1:04:50.160 --> 1:04:53.000 a liberal. This is something that like I feel like 1:04:53.040 --> 1:04:55.560 liberals don't quite always realize, is that, like the left 1:04:55.560 --> 1:05:01.080 wing also calls liberals liberals in a negative way, you know. Yeah, 1:05:01.160 --> 1:05:03.000 Like every now and then I'll say something's like liberal 1:05:03.040 --> 1:05:10.840 and people like fuck you, right winger, and I'm like, what. Oh, 1:05:11.400 --> 1:05:14.080 it's during this period of growth that you start seeing 1:05:14.120 --> 1:05:16.320 the cracks that are later going to fuck it up, 1:05:16.400 --> 1:05:19.760 at least by the convenient narrative that I'm drawing and 1:05:19.840 --> 1:05:23.080 have read in other sources. The New York Lords were 1:05:23.080 --> 1:05:26.640 given full autonomy by the quote Central Committee of Chicago, right, 1:05:26.680 --> 1:05:28.960 because it still had started in Chicago, even it's bigger 1:05:28.960 --> 1:05:31.400 in New York. But New York is pretty sure that 1:05:31.400 --> 1:05:33.720 they should be the central committee, and that the chapter 1:05:33.800 --> 1:05:37.479 shouldn't shouldn't have full autonomy, that the New York Chapter 1:05:37.480 --> 1:05:39.560 should be in charge of all the other chapters, and 1:05:39.600 --> 1:05:43.440 that more discipline was needed. And also the Chicago newspaper 1:05:43.480 --> 1:05:45.760 wasn't coming out regularly enough. What are you all doing? 1:05:45.840 --> 1:05:49.960 You better get on that. H So the New York 1:05:50.000 --> 1:05:56.200 Chapter starts getting kind of controlling, and then another thing 1:05:56.200 --> 1:06:00.320 to understand about their politics, and I try to avoid, like, 1:06:00.720 --> 1:06:05.640 let's talk about Marx right, But along with the Black Panthers, 1:06:06.400 --> 1:06:09.080 the Young Lords were a break from traditional Marxism in 1:06:09.120 --> 1:06:12.160 that they identified the lump and proletariat as the revolutionary subject, 1:06:12.560 --> 1:06:14.400 which means that I have to break down really quickly 1:06:14.400 --> 1:06:17.960 Marx's ideas about classes, in which you have the proletariat, 1:06:18.200 --> 1:06:21.560 who are industrial workers in the city. They all and 1:06:21.720 --> 1:06:24.120 Marx thinks that these are the beasneys, They're the best. 1:06:24.160 --> 1:06:26.960 Everyone else sucks according to Marx. Right, then you got 1:06:26.960 --> 1:06:30.120 the bourgeoisie, a class whom no one who is alive 1:06:30.200 --> 1:06:38.040 can spell correctly. And yeah they are I still bow ergy. 1:06:37.640 --> 1:06:40.959 Oh my god, I thank you spell track. 1:06:41.440 --> 1:06:44.160 Yeah. Yeah, it took me a very long time to 1:06:44.200 --> 1:06:45.440 wrap my head around hierarchy. 1:06:45.920 --> 1:06:49.600 More importantly, thanks talk to speek, talk to text speech 1:06:49.640 --> 1:06:54.840 apps for words you kids spell. Oh that's clever, bouge 1:06:54.960 --> 1:06:59.920 wisi even think about it. 1:07:02.000 --> 1:07:04.360 The bourgeoisie are the owning class. They don't work for 1:07:04.400 --> 1:07:07.360 a living. This is their distinguishing characteristic. Instead, they own 1:07:07.400 --> 1:07:10.439 stuff for a living. Definition of capitalism in this case 1:07:10.480 --> 1:07:13.680 being roughly the access to capital being how you make 1:07:13.720 --> 1:07:17.240 money rather than work. Right. And then you've got two 1:07:17.280 --> 1:07:21.120 other weird classes. You have the petty bourgeoisie, who are 1:07:21.160 --> 1:07:23.240 like the small business owners. They're not running the show, 1:07:23.280 --> 1:07:25.400 but their relationship to capital is different from that of 1:07:25.440 --> 1:07:28.800 a worker. Marxists generally don't like them, and then you 1:07:28.840 --> 1:07:32.760 have the lump and proletariat, who are objectively the coolest. 1:07:33.400 --> 1:07:36.120 Marx does not agree by this. With this, these are 1:07:36.160 --> 1:07:38.360 the unemployed and the thieves and the beggars, and the 1:07:38.360 --> 1:07:42.800 people whose work is illegal, like sex workers, the criminal class, 1:07:43.840 --> 1:07:49.280 and Marx doesn't like them, right, But the Young Lords 1:07:49.280 --> 1:07:53.720 and the Black Panthers do. Personally. I like to think 1:07:53.800 --> 1:07:56.120 that Marx's classes are like he's writing a role playing game. 1:07:56.160 --> 1:07:58.960 Instead of paladins and wizards, you have petty bourgeoisie and 1:07:58.960 --> 1:08:02.080 the lump and proletariat. And so from this point of view, 1:08:02.120 --> 1:08:04.760 we clearly need everyone. Maybe not the regular boujeoissa, I 1:08:04.760 --> 1:08:07.240 don't know, but you just clearly you can't have a 1:08:07.240 --> 1:08:12.160 party of only thieves. You are only wizards. Not as 1:08:12.200 --> 1:08:18.479 much fun. There's my class humanity statement of Oh god. Anyway, 1:08:19.560 --> 1:08:22.160 the Black Panthers like that lump and proletariat. The Young 1:08:22.200 --> 1:08:25.160 Lords like them. The New York Young Lords claim to 1:08:25.320 --> 1:08:27.599 like them. But part of what they're mad at Chicago 1:08:27.680 --> 1:08:32.240 about because the Chicago clearly comes out of them. They 1:08:32.280 --> 1:08:35.320 are they come from the criminal class. The Young Lord comes. 1:08:36.200 --> 1:08:38.479 This was not a bunch of workers sitting around being like, man, 1:08:38.479 --> 1:08:40.000 I don't like how the boss is treating me. You 1:08:40.040 --> 1:08:42.280 like how the boss is treating me. It's a bunch 1:08:42.320 --> 1:08:44.960 of car thieves who are like, let's stand up against 1:08:45.040 --> 1:08:49.160 racism and try and get everyone some healthcare. Yeah, and 1:08:49.200 --> 1:08:51.320 the New York lords don't quite have it quite the 1:08:51.320 --> 1:08:55.360 same background as relates to that, and so part of 1:08:55.400 --> 1:08:58.240 why they're mad at Chicago is that Chicago is still 1:08:58.280 --> 1:09:01.080 too criminal and gang like and they're not good proper revolutionaries. 1:09:02.960 --> 1:09:05.920 So by May nineteen seventy, they sever ties from the 1:09:05.920 --> 1:09:09.280 Young Lord's Organization of Chicago and they become the Young 1:09:09.320 --> 1:09:13.240 Lord's Party. It is very likely that the split was 1:09:13.720 --> 1:09:16.920 orchestrated by co Intel Pro, the counterintelligence program of the FBI. 1:09:17.560 --> 1:09:21.680 Oh wow, it was almost certainly encouraged by them. The 1:09:23.040 --> 1:09:26.840 disagreements existed, but co Intel Pro existed to make those 1:09:26.880 --> 1:09:33.960 disagreements grow right back in Chicago. Cha Cha is taking 1:09:34.000 --> 1:09:37.200 it hard. He was close friends with Fred Hampton, who 1:09:37.200 --> 1:09:39.599 had just been murdered, and now he's getting told he's 1:09:39.640 --> 1:09:42.200 two gangster for the group. He turned from a gang 1:09:42.240 --> 1:09:47.680 into an organization. But he keeps it civil. And no 1:09:47.760 --> 1:09:52.280 fights breakout between the cities. So it's a break but 1:09:52.360 --> 1:09:58.200 it's not a war, right, Okay. But they've got all 1:09:58.240 --> 1:10:01.439 these political things brewing, there's all of these fractures that 1:10:01.479 --> 1:10:04.559 are starting to form. It doesn't stop them from doing 1:10:04.640 --> 1:10:08.240 really cool shit. One of the cool things they do 1:10:09.320 --> 1:10:12.040 is they get into a fight with a long standing 1:10:12.120 --> 1:10:20.280 friend of the podcast Tuberculosis. For anyone who's just learning, now, 1:10:21.479 --> 1:10:24.400 what happened when I started making this podcast is I 1:10:24.439 --> 1:10:27.200 started reading a lot more history books, and I started 1:10:27.280 --> 1:10:30.920 learning that everyone dies of tuberculosis. That's just how you 1:10:31.000 --> 1:10:34.320 die everyone. If you're in a history book, you either 1:10:34.320 --> 1:10:38.320 get killed by the state or you get killed by tuberculosis. 1:10:39.520 --> 1:10:46.519 You forgot the third or your lover. What there's tuberculosis 1:10:46.720 --> 1:10:48.439 the government or your lover. 1:10:48.920 --> 1:10:50.440 Oh yeah, yeah, totally. 1:10:50.160 --> 1:10:52.240 That's the trifecta. There's no other way. 1:10:52.600 --> 1:10:56.400 No, I can't see how healse I could die as 1:10:56.439 --> 1:10:57.920 long as it's not some combo move. 1:10:58.720 --> 1:11:02.880 Oh, you'd be living a really weird life. 1:11:02.920 --> 1:11:07.120 That is. The infiltrators like corossing into handkerchiefs. 1:11:06.439 --> 1:11:10.120 And yeah, yeah, I don't know about that government thing. 1:11:10.120 --> 1:11:13.719 That seems that seems uh not not not for cause 1:11:13.800 --> 1:11:14.160 for you. 1:11:14.760 --> 1:11:17.519 Yeah, no, I wouldn't be. You would be very far 1:11:17.560 --> 1:11:20.559 from that. My plan is to not be killed by 1:11:20.560 --> 1:11:22.160 any of these things. 1:11:24.400 --> 1:11:25.240 Yeah. 1:11:25.400 --> 1:11:29.400 So, tuberculosis or TB as it's called by its friend friends, 1:11:30.640 --> 1:11:33.240 or consumption when it's out of the goth night. We 1:11:33.280 --> 1:11:36.559 talked about this in our Aled Heart episode. The first 1:11:36.560 --> 1:11:39.679 ever known transmand to receive gender affirming surgery save millions 1:11:39.680 --> 1:11:42.160 of lives by revolutionizing the way that public screening was 1:11:42.200 --> 1:11:46.760 done for tuberculosis decades before today's story, specifically by using 1:11:46.920 --> 1:11:51.960 X rays to screen ahead of time. What is TB. Well, 1:11:51.960 --> 1:11:55.160 it's a bacterial infection. It's just around latently. Sometimes it 1:11:55.200 --> 1:11:57.280 pops up with symptoms and shit, it kills about half 1:11:57.320 --> 1:12:00.240 of its victims if you actually get the symptoms those 1:12:00.320 --> 1:12:02.559 keeping track at home, that's about a five percent mortality 1:12:02.640 --> 1:12:07.160 rate overall, which is brutally high. Today we have antibiotics 1:12:07.240 --> 1:12:09.120 and no one dies of it anymore. Just kidding, it 1:12:09.200 --> 1:12:12.120 kills a lot of people still, mostly in other parts 1:12:12.120 --> 1:12:14.639 of the world. It killed one point five million people 1:12:14.640 --> 1:12:17.599 in twenty twenty. It is the number one deadliest infectious 1:12:17.640 --> 1:12:22.200 disease after COVID nineteen. It's the number one preventable infectious disease, 1:12:23.560 --> 1:12:29.479 preventable with vaccines, treatment with antibiotics, and screening, things like that. 1:12:30.560 --> 1:12:33.280 So everyone who dies of it is murdered by capitalism 1:12:33.360 --> 1:12:37.240 from my point of view, because you don't have to 1:12:37.280 --> 1:12:43.120 die from it except for access to care. So the 1:12:43.160 --> 1:12:45.080 Young Lords they go to war against two of the 1:12:45.120 --> 1:12:50.520 biggest enemies of the show, capitalism and fucking tuberculosis. Let's go. Yeah, 1:12:50.720 --> 1:12:52.680 the real problem in the poor areas of New York 1:12:52.720 --> 1:12:55.439 City thanks to stale air and overcrowding and lack of 1:12:55.479 --> 1:12:59.120 access to screening. So in addition to door to door 1:12:59.240 --> 1:13:02.920 lead poisoning to they start testing people for TB, which 1:13:02.960 --> 1:13:05.879 involves an X ray machine. So they send a petition 1:13:05.960 --> 1:13:07.920 around and it gets them use of one machine, but 1:13:07.960 --> 1:13:11.720 it's a stationary machine. They want a mobile unit. They 1:13:11.720 --> 1:13:14.000 want like a van with an X ray machine in it, 1:13:14.960 --> 1:13:17.280 like the X ray van that goes around the city already, 1:13:17.320 --> 1:13:20.759 but is inaccessible to poor people of color. One book 1:13:20.760 --> 1:13:23.439 I read says it was inaccessible because it was it 1:13:23.520 --> 1:13:26.080 operated from twelve to six pm and didn't accommodate working 1:13:26.120 --> 1:13:29.680 people's schedules. But the guy who stole the van, I 1:13:29.720 --> 1:13:33.599 listened to an interview with him. Oh, spoiler alert, steal 1:13:33.640 --> 1:13:35.439 the van. We'll get to that. 1:13:35.720 --> 1:13:35.920 Yeah. 1:13:36.000 --> 1:13:38.200 It was like I was like, did we skip chapter? 1:13:38.280 --> 1:13:38.799 What's happening. 1:13:39.280 --> 1:13:41.680 We'll get to that. The guy who steals the van 1:13:41.760 --> 1:13:44.479 Later in the story, he says in an interview that 1:13:44.520 --> 1:13:46.880 it was inaccessible because it only went to white neighborhoods, 1:13:47.479 --> 1:13:50.680 and that feels a little bit more truthful. 1:13:51.160 --> 1:13:54.479 Once again, giving a shout out to the thief the 1:13:54.520 --> 1:13:55.280 thief class. 1:13:55.680 --> 1:13:55.880 Yeah. 1:13:56.400 --> 1:14:01.759 Yeah, So on June seventeenth and nineteen seventy, they steal 1:14:01.840 --> 1:14:04.680 the van. They unfurl a Puerto Rican flag on it, 1:14:04.720 --> 1:14:08.519 and they drive it off. They tipped off the press 1:14:08.560 --> 1:14:10.880 ahead of time to make sure everyone saw them steal 1:14:10.960 --> 1:14:15.599 this van. People don't do like crime like they used 1:14:15.600 --> 1:14:21.280 to for better and worse. Yeah, they parked it. They 1:14:21.280 --> 1:14:23.840 were really subtle. They parked it across the street from 1:14:23.920 --> 1:14:30.320 their office and then announced free testing for everyone. And 1:14:30.400 --> 1:14:32.599 I think the techs who worked in the van were 1:14:32.640 --> 1:14:33.880 like entirely fine with it. 1:14:35.000 --> 1:14:37.599 They're just like, whow cool, this is the coolest thing 1:14:37.640 --> 1:14:38.360 that's happened to me. 1:14:38.560 --> 1:14:45.240 Ever, I know, like I'm so bored and now I'm 1:14:45.640 --> 1:14:48.880 part of some like crazy shit on the news and 1:14:48.920 --> 1:14:50.960 I still just get to help people for a living here. 1:14:51.000 --> 1:14:51.920 Yeah, totally. 1:14:53.080 --> 1:14:57.040 Within hours of stealing the van they won, the director 1:14:57.080 --> 1:14:59.360 of health of the area agreed to let them keep 1:14:59.439 --> 1:15:02.679 the van and run it on the city's dime twelve 1:15:02.680 --> 1:15:07.599 hours a day every day. Wow. The first day they 1:15:07.640 --> 1:15:14.400 tested hundreds of people. Yeah, and around that time, well, 1:15:14.640 --> 1:15:17.439 before we move them to the South Bronx, we should 1:15:17.479 --> 1:15:26.760 move everyone to these killer deals about stuff, job opportunities. 1:15:28.000 --> 1:15:35.360 You could go become an Irish cup. So many options here. 1:15:35.520 --> 1:15:38.759 Listen to these options. Don't press the forward fifteen seconds button. 1:15:39.280 --> 1:15:43.400 That has no influence on anything from my point of view. 1:15:44.080 --> 1:15:51.960 Here's some ads, and we're back from those enlightening ads. 1:15:53.080 --> 1:15:54.720 I try to come up with something clever, but I 1:15:54.720 --> 1:15:57.559 got nothing. So I'll just tell you about when they 1:15:57.560 --> 1:16:03.080 moved to the South Bronx because there's yet another health 1:16:03.080 --> 1:16:06.120 epidemic for them to deal with, because they really just 1:16:06.240 --> 1:16:10.400 fucking did it all. Like I can't say. 1:16:11.680 --> 1:16:17.240 Also, like the number of issues that this community was facing, 1:16:17.360 --> 1:16:22.000 like as it just like really boggles my mind, being like, wow, 1:16:22.040 --> 1:16:25.160 I grew up in that city. Yeah, and like these 1:16:25.200 --> 1:16:27.280 are all people like my parents' age, you know. 1:16:27.680 --> 1:16:32.080 Yeah, your parents' age, Like people like talk about lead 1:16:32.080 --> 1:16:33.639 poisoning and tuberculosis and. 1:16:35.320 --> 1:16:38.640 Streets and for sure, Yeah, and a lot of like 1:16:38.760 --> 1:16:41.519 how the Bronx was burning, you know, a lot of 1:16:42.439 --> 1:16:46.439 like faulty electricity and just you know, like a lot 1:16:46.520 --> 1:16:47.320 of issues like that. 1:16:47.680 --> 1:16:50.200 For sure, is that what that was? The Bronx burning 1:16:50.240 --> 1:16:51.520 because of faulty electricity. 1:16:52.560 --> 1:16:54.679 There was like a lot of safety hazards, but also 1:16:54.720 --> 1:16:57.280 a lot of like some lords that were setting you know, 1:16:57.479 --> 1:17:01.120 just like letting, yeah, their buildings burner being the reason 1:17:01.120 --> 1:17:02.360 why their buildings were burning. 1:17:02.760 --> 1:17:04.200 Yeah. 1:17:04.520 --> 1:17:09.120 Yeah, So there was a lot of My family definitely 1:17:09.120 --> 1:17:10.919 talked a lot about these issues. 1:17:11.360 --> 1:17:14.960 Okay, I don't know whether you want to say this 1:17:15.040 --> 1:17:16.840 in error. Is your family from East Harlem or is 1:17:16.840 --> 1:17:17.800 it from South Bronx or is. 1:17:17.800 --> 1:17:22.080 It somewhere They're actually from Chelsea? Ok Yeah, they grew 1:17:22.160 --> 1:17:25.320 up in the Chelsea projects. Okay, you know they were 1:17:25.360 --> 1:17:27.679 born My dad was born and my aunt was born 1:17:27.720 --> 1:17:29.760 in Puerto Rico, but came over when they were very young. 1:17:30.000 --> 1:17:33.080 My grandfather came over and was like working at first 1:17:33.120 --> 1:17:37.320 and then was able to pay for everybody to come cool. 1:17:38.120 --> 1:17:45.840 Yeah, yeah, I hadn't as a white outsider in New 1:17:45.920 --> 1:17:48.639 York City. I hadn't realized the degree to which Puerto 1:17:48.720 --> 1:17:52.280 Rican identity shaped the city in all different parts of 1:17:52.320 --> 1:17:55.240 the city, you know, and like the Lower east Side 1:17:55.280 --> 1:17:57.479 like doesn't even really necessarily come out much in the story, 1:17:57.479 --> 1:17:59.439 even though they had a Young Lord's had a chapter 1:17:59.439 --> 1:18:02.280 in Lower Eastie, even though that was a Puerto Rican neighborhood, 1:18:02.520 --> 1:18:06.040 you know, yeah at this point, which heavily influences all 1:18:06.040 --> 1:18:08.720 of the like hippie culture stuff that was happening in 1:18:08.760 --> 1:18:09.200 that area. 1:18:09.400 --> 1:18:13.200 Oh totally. Yeah. Like talking to my dad when I 1:18:13.200 --> 1:18:15.479 would mention like hanging out on the Lower Eastside or 1:18:15.680 --> 1:18:21.320 Tompkins Group Park or squatting or anything, you know, to him, 1:18:21.400 --> 1:18:23.360 it was just like, oh, yeah, me and my friends 1:18:23.439 --> 1:18:25.320 like did all that shit, but we were cooler. 1:18:25.520 --> 1:18:35.240 Thanks, probably he was right, like just like yeah, but. 1:18:35.240 --> 1:18:37.720 You know, you think about the New Yereekan, the new 1:18:37.720 --> 1:18:41.400 Arekan Poets Cafe, like that's in the Lower east Side still. 1:18:42.160 --> 1:18:44.200 I don't know how, but I'm so glad that it's 1:18:44.200 --> 1:18:48.240 still with us, and that was born out of this movement, 1:18:48.439 --> 1:18:48.600 you know. 1:18:48.880 --> 1:18:52.040 Yeah, is New York in a name of an identity 1:18:52.080 --> 1:18:53.400 for New York Puerto Ricans. 1:18:53.479 --> 1:18:56.439 Is that the yes, So a lot of the people 1:18:56.439 --> 1:18:59.400 that you're talking about, who are you know, joining the 1:18:59.439 --> 1:19:03.200 young lords at this point, who don't speak Spanish for example, 1:19:03.360 --> 1:19:07.080 Like that would be a really great I representation of 1:19:07.120 --> 1:19:09.160 like a New Eurekan, although of course there are New 1:19:09.160 --> 1:19:13.760 Eurekans that do, but it's like a very specific like 1:19:14.360 --> 1:19:19.040 doesn't have extremely strong ties to the island. Like even 1:19:19.080 --> 1:19:22.840 my dad, who was born in Puerto Rico, felt like 1:19:22.920 --> 1:19:25.200 he wasn't Puerto Rican enough. And then also he was 1:19:25.240 --> 1:19:28.479 an outsider in his own city. Okay, so it's like 1:19:28.640 --> 1:19:31.479 they you know, this idea that you don't quite fit 1:19:31.600 --> 1:19:34.920 into anything because you're always a little bit of an outsider. 1:19:35.000 --> 1:19:36.880 So New Eurekan was born. 1:19:37.200 --> 1:19:40.000 Yeah, I mean that makes a lot of sense to me. 1:19:40.000 --> 1:19:45.120 I feel like the diasporic identity is like this thing 1:19:45.160 --> 1:19:46.800 that often grows in New York or at least I 1:19:46.800 --> 1:19:50.200 know that, like the diasporic identity of like Jews or 1:19:50.240 --> 1:19:52.920 Jewish people like grew in New York City in a 1:19:52.960 --> 1:19:56.120 lot of ways as an identity that was separate from 1:19:56.520 --> 1:19:59.800 anything else. It was like, this is the diasporas, like 1:19:59.800 --> 1:20:01.920 who we are. I don't know whether deasporas are ran 1:20:02.080 --> 1:20:03.800 that people use in this context or not. 1:20:04.240 --> 1:20:07.519 Oh definitely, okay, yeah, yeah. And also there's a lot 1:20:07.560 --> 1:20:10.880 of like longing for like you know, when you talked 1:20:10.920 --> 1:20:13.559 about how the Young Words were teaching Puerto Rican history, 1:20:13.720 --> 1:20:16.599 like that was something that was I mean, to this day, 1:20:16.680 --> 1:20:21.400 it's so hidden from anybody who is Puerto Rican or 1:20:22.080 --> 1:20:26.160 New Eurekan, Like just this feeling that you come from 1:20:26.160 --> 1:20:28.160 a place that is so foreign to you and you 1:20:28.520 --> 1:20:31.200 want to learn about it, but it's been hidden or 1:20:31.280 --> 1:20:31.800 kept away. 1:20:31.920 --> 1:20:38.000 Yeah. Yeah, it's like because America has this like public 1:20:38.000 --> 1:20:41.880 school systems has this like one monolithic educational idea of 1:20:41.960 --> 1:20:44.680 what we teach people, you know, and it's just like, 1:20:46.200 --> 1:20:48.559 rather than teach people Puerto Rican history, we teach people 1:20:48.560 --> 1:20:52.759 about like Paul Revere whatever the fuck, you know. Like yeah, 1:20:52.800 --> 1:20:56.240 and it's just interesting because like a really high percentage 1:20:56.240 --> 1:20:57.760 of people who live in the United States are not 1:20:57.800 --> 1:21:03.080 descended from the Revolutionary War fighters, you know, yeah, or 1:21:03.200 --> 1:21:08.360 have at least other just whatever. Anyway, Yeah, I'm I 1:21:08.360 --> 1:21:10.479 guess I should start a podcast where I talk about 1:21:10.560 --> 1:21:13.680 history that hasn't talked about as much. So we want 1:21:13.720 --> 1:21:14.439 to help me do that. 1:21:14.960 --> 1:21:19.280 This entire podcast is just propaganda, and it's you just 1:21:19.439 --> 1:21:24.040 advertising for your own show, on your own show. Incredible. 1:21:25.680 --> 1:21:33.800 Self promotion is awesome. I haven't worked the name of 1:21:33.840 --> 1:21:36.840 my book and any of these scripts. No, I'm very 1:21:36.880 --> 1:21:41.639 proud of that. Okay, so they've just stolen a van. 1:21:43.880 --> 1:21:47.840 That makes it very like that much happened. They just 1:21:47.920 --> 1:21:48.439 changed the way. 1:21:49.120 --> 1:21:52.240 I just love how much they like play chicken with 1:21:52.280 --> 1:21:55.040 the city. It's like, yeah, of course, we could go 1:21:55.080 --> 1:21:56.880 to jail for a really long time for a grand 1:21:56.960 --> 1:22:00.479 theft auto or something, or maybe well, Jessica, give us 1:22:00.479 --> 1:22:01.240 what we want. 1:22:01.720 --> 1:22:05.360 I know, I know, I can't imagine any of this working. 1:22:05.479 --> 1:22:06.519 Then it keeps working. 1:22:06.840 --> 1:22:13.439 Yeah, yeah, So they go to South Bronx, or rather 1:22:13.520 --> 1:22:15.200 a branch opens in the South Bronx, and I don't 1:22:15.200 --> 1:22:18.400 know how many individuals are specifically moving right, And there's 1:22:18.400 --> 1:22:20.280 a problem that needs to be dealt with in South Bronx. 1:22:20.760 --> 1:22:24.400 Heroin. The state wasn't doing a very good job of 1:22:24.439 --> 1:22:29.160 helping people who are addicted. Instead, it criminalized people. The 1:22:29.200 --> 1:22:31.880 South Bronx and Spring nineteen seventy had the highest heroin 1:22:31.880 --> 1:22:35.439 addiction rate in the world. Fifteen percent of people who 1:22:35.439 --> 1:22:37.439 lived there were addicted to heroin, according to one number 1:22:37.479 --> 1:22:41.800 I heard. Other numbers that I heard included the South 1:22:41.840 --> 1:22:44.200 Bronx had a mortality rate fifty percent higher than the 1:22:44.200 --> 1:22:47.800 rest of the country, syphilis and gonorrhea six and four 1:22:47.840 --> 1:22:52.360 times the national average, and overdose was the leading cause 1:22:52.360 --> 1:22:54.360 of death among adolescents and young adults. 1:22:54.800 --> 1:22:56.200 Oh wow, And. 1:22:56.160 --> 1:22:57.880 This is the kind of thing that we see reflected 1:22:57.960 --> 1:23:03.200 more later in the opioid crisis on all like wider scale. Right. So, 1:23:03.240 --> 1:23:05.040 the first thing that the young Lords did, They're like, 1:23:05.040 --> 1:23:07.920 all right, we're gonna deal with heroin addiction. That's what 1:23:07.960 --> 1:23:10.559 our community needs. That's what we're gonna do. They got 1:23:10.600 --> 1:23:12.920 an apartment, they cleaned it up nice, and they started 1:23:12.920 --> 1:23:16.280 screening drug users for commitment to sobriety. And then two 1:23:16.360 --> 1:23:18.400 young lords would keep watch over They just set up 1:23:18.400 --> 1:23:21.880 a detox center just or a cold Turkey center. Really, 1:23:22.000 --> 1:23:24.840 this is their first first attempt. Two young lords would 1:23:24.880 --> 1:23:27.439 keep watch over the detoxing people for twenty four hours 1:23:27.479 --> 1:23:30.280 a day and help them quit cold turkey. Then each 1:23:30.360 --> 1:23:33.200 person in recovery was assigned a mentor who was available 1:23:33.200 --> 1:23:34.800 to them twenty four hours a day for the next 1:23:34.840 --> 1:23:40.080 six months. Yeah, they also robbed drug dealers and scared 1:23:40.120 --> 1:23:43.520 them off the block, which got the mafia mad at them, 1:23:43.840 --> 1:23:46.559 but they somehow had enough power that they didn't get 1:23:46.600 --> 1:23:49.080 any No one got killed as a result of this 1:23:49.240 --> 1:23:49.960 that I'm aware of. 1:23:50.200 --> 1:23:57.639 This is so wild to me. Yeah, you know, Yeah, 1:23:58.200 --> 1:24:00.360 I keeps waiting for, like, when is some I'm gonna 1:24:00.360 --> 1:24:03.840 ge assassinated by one of the many powerful forces who 1:24:03.960 --> 1:24:05.559 don't want change to happen. 1:24:06.320 --> 1:24:11.559 I I am not aware of it happening. Yeah, I 1:24:11.720 --> 1:24:15.160 like and I one of the things that often underlies 1:24:15.200 --> 1:24:18.720 a lot of history that doesn't get left in, like, 1:24:19.320 --> 1:24:22.040 is people working with the mafia or like all these 1:24:22.080 --> 1:24:25.680 different radicals, like working with different power structures, right, And 1:24:25.720 --> 1:24:27.640 that's like often left out because it's not as like 1:24:27.680 --> 1:24:32.360 sexy or it's criminal or whatever. Right, So probably they're 1:24:32.360 --> 1:24:35.719 doing something that is making the mafia not attack them. 1:24:36.080 --> 1:24:38.000 But I believe the mafia is mad at them, So 1:24:38.040 --> 1:24:43.360 I believe that that something is not working with the mafia. Okay, 1:24:43.439 --> 1:24:45.800 if I were to guess, and I expect I'm wrong, 1:24:47.040 --> 1:24:50.680 it probably is just literally like we are scary and 1:24:50.720 --> 1:24:52.320 there's a lot of us, and we are tied in 1:24:52.360 --> 1:24:54.040 with the panthers, and we are tied in with them 1:24:54.120 --> 1:24:56.840 up against the Wall motherfuckers and Leah, yeah, yeah, the 1:24:56.880 --> 1:25:00.840 city is full of angry revolutionaries. That's my best guess. 1:25:00.880 --> 1:25:03.400 But I don't yeah, you know, I know it. Around 1:25:03.400 --> 1:25:05.560 the same time, for example, the up against wall motherfuckers 1:25:05.560 --> 1:25:10.360 are like scaring off mafia hits by having more guns 1:25:10.360 --> 1:25:15.000 than the people trying to kill them, you know. But yeah, 1:25:15.040 --> 1:25:17.080 so they're robbing drug dealers and scaring them off the block, 1:25:17.080 --> 1:25:19.760 which is also really hard to morally understand in a 1:25:19.960 --> 1:25:23.400 situation that predates the War on drugs, right because right now, 1:25:23.600 --> 1:25:27.479 during the War on drugs, when people talk about like, oh, 1:25:27.479 --> 1:25:30.120 we're gonna like go fuck up all the drug dealers, 1:25:30.120 --> 1:25:31.880 you're like, oh, you're gonna go fuck up drug users 1:25:31.880 --> 1:25:34.519 who are like fucked by society. Congratulations, You're the same 1:25:34.520 --> 1:25:37.920 as the fucking War on drugs. Yeah, but when we're 1:25:37.960 --> 1:25:42.000 not in that context, I don't fucking know. This is 1:25:42.080 --> 1:25:45.519 like straight up, I don't know, you know. Yeah, But 1:25:46.280 --> 1:25:49.439 the cold Turkey approach wasn't gonna work with everyone. The 1:25:49.479 --> 1:25:52.040 medical problems that people are facing were bigger than just heroin, 1:25:52.720 --> 1:25:56.679 so they needed something more. They needed something bigger, like 1:25:56.680 --> 1:26:03.879 like a hospital. The South Bronx had won hospital. Lincoln 1:26:03.880 --> 1:26:06.639 Hospital was built in eighteen ninety eight, the same year 1:26:06.640 --> 1:26:10.040 that the US stole Puerto Rico from the Spanish. This 1:26:10.080 --> 1:26:11.640 is the place that I was saying, gets called the 1:26:11.640 --> 1:26:15.040 butcher shop. It's the wrong leg amputated whoops shop with 1:26:15.120 --> 1:26:17.439 lead paint for the children to eat. And it's the 1:26:17.520 --> 1:26:20.719 kind of place where the er doesn't do triage. There's 1:26:20.720 --> 1:26:25.479 no translators on staff, no accommodations for non English speaking patients. 1:26:26.400 --> 1:26:28.519 But the best part, and this is not sarcasm, the 1:26:28.600 --> 1:26:31.960 actual good part was that some reformers had set up 1:26:32.000 --> 1:26:35.639 a fairly groundbreaking mental health clinic there that emphasized talk 1:26:35.720 --> 1:26:39.280 therapy and actually hearing patients out. Oh wow, so it's 1:26:39.360 --> 1:26:43.400 kind of a battleground spot already in March nineteen sixty nine, 1:26:43.520 --> 1:26:46.000 before the Lords arrived. The Lords did a lot, and 1:26:46.000 --> 1:26:50.080 they deserve it a ton of the credit. But by 1:26:50.120 --> 1:26:56.040 tying into existing infrastructures and working with other groups, in 1:26:56.080 --> 1:26:59.200 March nineteen sixty nine, the mental health clinic had taken 1:26:59.240 --> 1:27:02.519 itself over. The workers, mostly people of color, had seized 1:27:02.520 --> 1:27:06.280 the building and kicked out the director and his upper staff. Yeah, 1:27:06.479 --> 1:27:09.400 the doctors, including white doctors, which is most of them 1:27:09.439 --> 1:27:12.760 this is the late sixties, supported the action and kept 1:27:12.800 --> 1:27:15.360 working and they held it for three days, and the 1:27:15.400 --> 1:27:18.920 Black Panthers ran security and brought supporters. This is before 1:27:19.040 --> 1:27:21.040 the Panther twenty one trial took the wind out of 1:27:21.040 --> 1:27:22.320 the New York City Panthers. 1:27:22.800 --> 1:27:25.000 Just would like to say that I am really loving 1:27:25.040 --> 1:27:30.639 these stories of like doctors standing with their staff and 1:27:31.560 --> 1:27:38.080 like standing up to administration and their bosses. It's really 1:27:39.120 --> 1:27:42.080 I encourage all the doctors out there who might be 1:27:42.120 --> 1:27:46.080 listening to do that. Yeah, as we really need it. 1:27:46.640 --> 1:27:51.560 Yeah, this particular takeover was broken when the city. I 1:27:51.560 --> 1:27:53.439 don't even think the mystery is the hospital. The city 1:27:53.560 --> 1:27:56.000 was like any doctors who practice here will lose their licenses. 1:27:57.439 --> 1:27:59.479 But the action did get a bunch of workers have 1:27:59.560 --> 1:28:02.920 been fired, and it got the fired workers on fired 1:28:03.479 --> 1:28:06.400 and the director was transferred out, So it was like 1:28:07.520 --> 1:28:11.400 successful to some degree. Right by nineteen seventy, some of 1:28:11.439 --> 1:28:14.080 the workers there were young lords themselves, and some of 1:28:14.120 --> 1:28:17.320 these workers set up a complaint table for workers and 1:28:17.400 --> 1:28:21.000 patients in the er. Twelve hours a day, they were 1:28:21.040 --> 1:28:23.120 there at this table. On weekends they were there twenty 1:28:23.120 --> 1:28:25.840 four hours a day Wow. And they kept getting kicked 1:28:25.840 --> 1:28:27.760 out and they kept coming right back in. There's like 1:28:27.800 --> 1:28:30.880 interviews you can hear about like the people like kind 1:28:30.880 --> 1:28:33.000 of being friends with the security guards. It's like I'm 1:28:33.080 --> 1:28:34.920 kicking you out again, and they're like I'm going to 1:28:34.960 --> 1:28:37.320 be right back in and like all right, have fun, 1:28:37.479 --> 1:28:40.160 you know. So they set up this complaint table. They 1:28:40.160 --> 1:28:43.160 get two thousand complaints in a month, wow, and they 1:28:43.200 --> 1:28:45.840 just start acting on them like all the ones that 1:28:45.840 --> 1:28:50.160 they can. They just direct action, get the goods, install 1:28:50.240 --> 1:28:52.920 privacy screens in the bathrooms. They move trash off the 1:28:52.920 --> 1:28:55.640 street outside and into the director's office because this is 1:28:55.680 --> 1:28:57.320 what you do with trash. 1:28:57.360 --> 1:28:58.519 WHOA. 1:28:58.680 --> 1:29:04.520 Yeah. The medical staff who were part of this organization, 1:29:04.600 --> 1:29:06.640 I think this is atrun, but I'm not. I'm not 1:29:06.640 --> 1:29:09.040 one hundred percent certain the larger organization that's doing this. 1:29:09.600 --> 1:29:12.080 The medical staff just start doing triage in the er, 1:29:12.360 --> 1:29:14.720 like when they're not at work. They're just like, were triaging. 1:29:15.240 --> 1:29:19.920 Fuck this an er needs triage, which I did not 1:29:20.200 --> 1:29:22.040 learn this word until I was an adult. Triage is 1:29:22.080 --> 1:29:24.240 when you determine which patients are the most injured and 1:29:24.280 --> 1:29:29.160 who needs medical care most immediately. So they put pressure 1:29:29.200 --> 1:29:32.200 on administration for better care for the workers, but there 1:29:32.240 --> 1:29:34.960 was a wall. They couldn't get anything systemic fixed. They 1:29:34.960 --> 1:29:37.960 could only like band aids. People are like, oh, it's 1:29:37.960 --> 1:29:39.519 just a band aid. Like band aids are great, they 1:29:39.560 --> 1:29:42.880 stop bleeding, you can keep infection out like, but they 1:29:42.920 --> 1:29:46.400 don't address systemic issues. So they did what they had 1:29:46.439 --> 1:29:51.280 to do with a really interesting security culture method. On 1:29:51.360 --> 1:29:55.679 July thirteenth, nineteen seventy, one hundred and fifty young lords 1:29:55.720 --> 1:29:58.760 met in an apartment and locked themselves in so that 1:29:58.880 --> 1:30:01.479 no infiltrators could get out and give anyone a heads 1:30:01.520 --> 1:30:03.639 up because they knew they were infiltrated. It's the fucking 1:30:03.640 --> 1:30:06.479 it's nineteen seventy, you know, a huh, And so not 1:30:06.520 --> 1:30:08.800 all of them knew the plan going in. They all 1:30:08.800 --> 1:30:11.479 get told the plan, but they can't call out. At 1:30:11.479 --> 1:30:13.599 three point thirty am, they pile into a U haul 1:30:13.640 --> 1:30:16.120 and a bunch of cars. They backed up to the 1:30:16.120 --> 1:30:19.320 hospital loading dock. They opened the doors. They stormed the 1:30:19.360 --> 1:30:21.439 hospital with nun chucks. 1:30:23.000 --> 1:30:27.960 Oh this episode brought to you by nonsense dunchucks. I 1:30:28.000 --> 1:30:29.880 know how cool they are. I know. 1:30:31.320 --> 1:30:34.639 For some reason, most retellies leave the nunchucks out. That's 1:30:34.640 --> 1:30:39.120 a mistake Ely on nunchuck radicals. You get it, Okay, 1:30:39.160 --> 1:30:41.080 I'll tell my one nunchuck story please. 1:30:41.760 --> 1:30:43.080 Yeah. 1:30:43.160 --> 1:30:45.559 I'm like twenty two or something, and I'm like living 1:30:45.600 --> 1:30:47.640 in the basement of this house with some hipsters and 1:30:47.640 --> 1:30:50.240 they have this party and I'm avoiding it. I'm hanging 1:30:50.240 --> 1:30:54.280 out in the basement and at one point someone comes down. 1:30:54.280 --> 1:30:55.640 At this time, I'm like, all I'm doing is like 1:30:55.680 --> 1:30:58.000 studying martial arts and trying to stop a war and 1:30:58.040 --> 1:31:01.439 all that shit. And they come down and they're like, Magpie, 1:31:01.479 --> 1:31:03.360 this guy won't leave and he's harassing people. He's like 1:31:03.400 --> 1:31:06.880 harassing this woman. You have to kick him out. And 1:31:06.920 --> 1:31:10.320 I'm like okay, And so I'm like in my sleeping 1:31:10.439 --> 1:31:13.120 dress and I just like walk upstairs with the pair 1:31:13.120 --> 1:31:16.639 of nunchucks and I'm like the weird kid an address 1:31:16.840 --> 1:31:18.920 from the basement who hasn't been at the party, and 1:31:18.960 --> 1:31:20.160 I just like walk up. I think I have a 1:31:20.160 --> 1:31:22.040 beard at the time, and I'm just like, hey, you 1:31:22.120 --> 1:31:25.640 better leave, and the guy's like I'm already gone, and 1:31:25.680 --> 1:31:28.320 he runs away. I don't know how to use nunchucks. 1:31:28.479 --> 1:31:30.000 I do not know how to use nunchucks. At this 1:31:30.000 --> 1:31:32.080 point in my life. I just have them. 1:31:33.560 --> 1:31:36.960 I mean it's definitely a power move of like who's 1:31:37.000 --> 1:31:39.599 going to assume that you don't know how to use them? 1:31:40.240 --> 1:31:43.719 You know, like if you're pulling them out just visually, 1:31:43.760 --> 1:31:46.679 you'd be like that person knows how to use those. 1:31:46.920 --> 1:31:52.559 Yeah, Like bluffing is a very effective as we. 1:31:52.640 --> 1:31:56.400 Learn from the young lords. Like sometimes you just try it. 1:31:57.720 --> 1:32:02.760 Storm a hospital with nunchucks. What go wrong? Yeah, So 1:32:02.800 --> 1:32:06.400 they secure the entrances, they barricade shit. They still let 1:32:06.400 --> 1:32:08.360 workers and patients in and out of the building, just 1:32:08.400 --> 1:32:11.960 they're controlling it. They set up screening clinics for tuberculosis 1:32:11.960 --> 1:32:15.720 and lead poisoning, anemia. They set up a daycare in 1:32:15.760 --> 1:32:17.680 a classroom because one of their whole things is that 1:32:17.680 --> 1:32:22.200 they believe that kids should get childcare while they're sole 1:32:22.280 --> 1:32:26.760 caretaker is in the hospital. It's wild, I know. They 1:32:26.800 --> 1:32:29.240 hung up a banner welcome to the People's Hospital in 1:32:29.240 --> 1:32:32.559 a Puerto Rican flag. They hadn't tipped off the hospital 1:32:32.600 --> 1:32:35.879 workers or it wouldn't have worked right, But the hospital 1:32:35.880 --> 1:32:40.080 workers were down. The physicians backed them. They hated working 1:32:40.080 --> 1:32:43.439 for the butcher's shop because they became doctors to help people. Yeah, 1:32:43.840 --> 1:32:46.800 even the chief administrator was like, well, I mean they 1:32:46.880 --> 1:32:51.200 kind of got a point, like, wow, no one likes 1:32:51.240 --> 1:32:54.759 working at the butcher shop, you know, except like Sweeney 1:32:54.800 --> 1:33:00.000 Todd or whatever. Thank you, thank you. 1:33:03.880 --> 1:33:04.680 We really like. 1:33:10.240 --> 1:33:15.439 You did that one for you apparently. So they called 1:33:15.479 --> 1:33:23.360 for a press conference. It was so perfectly time. So 1:33:23.400 --> 1:33:25.719 they call for a press conference and they explain themselves 1:33:25.720 --> 1:33:27.519 to the press and they give their demands, which is 1:33:27.600 --> 1:33:30.919 like door to door health care, better pay for workers, 1:33:31.000 --> 1:33:33.960 daycare for patients and workers, hurry up and build a 1:33:33.960 --> 1:33:39.240 new hospital. I did not find a name for this action. 1:33:40.479 --> 1:33:43.160 I assume it was the Lincoln Offensive for the Hospital offensive. 1:33:43.280 --> 1:33:44.600 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:33:44.640 --> 1:33:47.680 They held it for about twelve hours. The negotiations of 1:33:47.720 --> 1:33:50.920 the police were going very badly. Undercovers were trying to 1:33:50.960 --> 1:33:54.519 infiltrate into the hospital, so they left and rather than 1:33:54.600 --> 1:33:58.519 letting themselves get mass arrested, they put on white coats 1:33:58.520 --> 1:34:01.559 and slipped out with the doctors, covered by supporters from 1:34:01.560 --> 1:34:08.040 inside and outside. Yeah. Oh, and once the cops realized 1:34:08.080 --> 1:34:11.040 they'd been duped, they combed the area for the lords, 1:34:11.600 --> 1:34:15.559 but people in the neighborhoods took them in. Only two 1:34:15.680 --> 1:34:18.640 participants out of one hundred and fifty two hundred participants 1:34:19.080 --> 1:34:23.519 got fucking caught. Wow, good fucking odds. I would take 1:34:23.560 --> 1:34:31.400 those odds seriously. Nothing changed immediately. Then three days later, 1:34:31.600 --> 1:34:34.880 a patient named Carmen Rodriguez died during an abortion at 1:34:34.920 --> 1:34:38.640 the hospital. The resident, a student doctor, didn't look at 1:34:38.640 --> 1:34:41.280 her chart in her pre existing conditions and performed the 1:34:41.320 --> 1:34:44.519 wrong kind of abortion, and then when she responded badly, 1:34:44.760 --> 1:34:47.360 doubled down on mistreating her, and a few days later 1:34:47.520 --> 1:34:50.040 July nineteenth, nineteen seventy, she died of negligence. 1:34:50.880 --> 1:34:53.360 Oh wow, this is something I've read about. 1:34:53.880 --> 1:34:59.960 Yeah, yeah, it's fucking heartbreaking, Like I don't know, just 1:35:00.120 --> 1:35:04.120 especially doubling down and sit especially like I mean, there's. 1:35:03.960 --> 1:35:09.639 Also just a really painful history of sterilization of Puerto 1:35:09.720 --> 1:35:15.000 Rican women, and just it was a part of what 1:35:15.160 --> 1:35:17.160 like the women of the Young Lords would talk about 1:35:17.200 --> 1:35:20.240 in when they would talk about the women's movement and 1:35:20.280 --> 1:35:23.719 women's liberation, as they would make a very clear distinction 1:35:23.800 --> 1:35:27.160 between upper class women's liberation and how like the Young 1:35:27.200 --> 1:35:30.880 Lord women of course, you know, stood for abortion rights, 1:35:30.880 --> 1:35:33.200 but they also were like, we have to be very 1:35:33.240 --> 1:35:38.960 clear about our experience of you know, being forcefully sterilized 1:35:39.000 --> 1:35:42.960 like a lot of women getting sterilized in who worked 1:35:43.040 --> 1:35:45.400 in factories and just without their knowledge. 1:35:45.640 --> 1:35:46.680 Yeah. 1:35:46.880 --> 1:35:50.519 Yeah, so it's just a part of the history, and 1:35:50.560 --> 1:35:54.840 it's just such a recent history, you know of Puerto 1:35:54.880 --> 1:35:55.439 Rican women. 1:35:55.920 --> 1:36:00.160 Yeah. No, It's something that I didn't really understand i 1:36:00.160 --> 1:36:03.080 first started doing some of this research about like, you know, 1:36:03.120 --> 1:36:06.200 it's doing well now I feel self conscious about it. 1:36:06.200 --> 1:36:08.840 But I did an EPISO about the Jaine Collective Okay, 1:36:08.880 --> 1:36:11.160 Sophie that you can go listen to. 1:36:12.320 --> 1:36:13.040 It's so fun. 1:36:13.760 --> 1:36:15.679 And one of the things that I didn't realize going 1:36:15.720 --> 1:36:18.559 into that research was how I had only read about 1:36:18.600 --> 1:36:22.639 the you know, the panthers and black liberationists had very 1:36:22.640 --> 1:36:29.080 complicated relationships with abortion rights because the pel oh interesting, Yeah, 1:36:29.080 --> 1:36:33.080 because they're like, we're trying to avoid a cultural genocide. 1:36:33.760 --> 1:36:38.920 You have to like, freedom to reproduce was what more 1:36:38.960 --> 1:36:41.760 of them were fighting for as compared to more white 1:36:41.760 --> 1:36:45.480 women were fighting for freedom to control to not reproduce, 1:36:45.920 --> 1:36:50.320 and any logical look at it is what we want. 1:36:50.360 --> 1:36:51.240 Bodily autonomy. 1:36:51.760 --> 1:36:57.479 Yeah yeah, you know, but childcare like goes into it 1:36:57.520 --> 1:37:01.080 as well, because from what I read, like women and 1:37:01.080 --> 1:37:04.840 the young lords would talk about how working class people 1:37:04.880 --> 1:37:08.400 deserve to be able to have children, and that include 1:37:08.479 --> 1:37:11.480 that means that we will need to set up community childcare, 1:37:12.200 --> 1:37:13.880 you know, because that is the only way that we 1:37:13.960 --> 1:37:17.439 can that if you're not incredibly wealthy. They were just 1:37:17.439 --> 1:37:20.519 saying it shouldn't be a barrier to be to starting 1:37:20.520 --> 1:37:25.680 a family, yeah, which you know. Yeah, so it's just 1:37:26.000 --> 1:37:30.519 it's a really yeah, it's this painful part of it 1:37:31.000 --> 1:37:36.280 just really moves me that there was so much like 1:37:36.640 --> 1:37:41.720 mind blowing growth and like just what these people are experiencing, 1:37:41.840 --> 1:37:44.080 you know, like so quickly within a generation. 1:37:44.600 --> 1:37:49.960 Yeah, well, well that's an awkward place that I have 1:37:50.000 --> 1:37:55.479 to stick an ad transition, but I do. So here's 1:37:55.479 --> 1:38:03.639 some ads and we're back and yeah, we're talking about 1:38:03.760 --> 1:38:08.599 how Carmen Rodriguez died at the hospital three days after 1:38:08.760 --> 1:38:13.920 the takeover. And so this led to the most enduring 1:38:13.960 --> 1:38:17.640 and wide reaching legacy of the Young Lord's Hrum. The 1:38:17.800 --> 1:38:20.360 radical group of medical professionals that the Young Lords are 1:38:20.360 --> 1:38:23.680 part of. They draft a new document and they call 1:38:23.720 --> 1:38:29.680 it the Patient's Bill of Rights, and it says you 1:38:29.720 --> 1:38:32.640 deserve to be treated respectfully, to have your treatment explained, 1:38:32.720 --> 1:38:35.200 that you can refuse treatment, that you can see your chart, 1:38:35.680 --> 1:38:38.599 that people deserve door to door preventative care, that people 1:38:38.640 --> 1:38:40.840 can pick their doctors, that you should get free food 1:38:40.880 --> 1:38:43.760 with your care, that there should be daycare, and that 1:38:43.840 --> 1:38:48.360 healthcare should be free. This is obviously not I know 1:38:48.520 --> 1:38:52.639 you look at that and you're like that, Yeah, I'm 1:38:52.640 --> 1:38:56.639 in like, this is not the patient's bill of rights 1:38:56.640 --> 1:39:00.880 we have today in the US. Specifically, the stuff part 1:39:01.000 --> 1:39:01.960 didn't really survive. 1:39:02.840 --> 1:39:04.519 Yeah, still working on that. 1:39:05.600 --> 1:39:08.360 But some of this other stuff I have always taken 1:39:08.400 --> 1:39:12.080 for granted. I mean I didn't. I don't want to 1:39:12.080 --> 1:39:15.160 talk about my own family history too much, but it's 1:39:15.200 --> 1:39:17.479 like it makes sense to me that, of course you 1:39:17.520 --> 1:39:19.880 get to have your treatment explained. Of course you can 1:39:19.920 --> 1:39:22.599 refuse treatment. Of course you can see your chart, like, 1:39:23.520 --> 1:39:25.439 of course you can pick your doctor. Why would I 1:39:25.439 --> 1:39:33.439 mean again, complications around financial barriers, but it of course 1:39:33.479 --> 1:39:36.360 you can refuse treatment. It's like such a clear example 1:39:36.400 --> 1:39:40.200 of that that looking back, you're like, what do you 1:39:40.360 --> 1:39:43.360 mean why would anyone ever have thought it was okay 1:39:43.439 --> 1:39:47.080 to sterilize someone without their consent? Like, y, how is 1:39:47.120 --> 1:39:50.599 that not that? Yeah? 1:39:50.640 --> 1:39:51.880 That's called something else. 1:39:52.240 --> 1:39:56.200 Yeah, So they start pushing for this bill of rights, 1:39:57.960 --> 1:39:59.960 and one thing that I find so fascinating about this 1:40:00.080 --> 1:40:02.920 story is that, you know, the Young Lords aren't reformists. 1:40:02.920 --> 1:40:05.759 They believe in a socialist revolution. But by not coming 1:40:05.800 --> 1:40:08.760 to the table to beg for scraps, but by demanding everything, 1:40:09.360 --> 1:40:14.120 they accomplished more reform than reformists tend to, which I 1:40:14.160 --> 1:40:17.080 would say, keep in mind, reformists, you should pretend to 1:40:17.120 --> 1:40:19.960 be socialist revolutionaries if you want reform. 1:40:20.160 --> 1:40:21.080 Take Italian bake. 1:40:21.760 --> 1:40:27.240 Yeah, so they do this, but they're still they haven't 1:40:27.240 --> 1:40:30.160 gotten their health. Their their harm reduction clinic, which they 1:40:30.160 --> 1:40:33.400 haven't called that yet but leads to that kind of framing. 1:40:34.479 --> 1:40:37.400 So they have a better idea than their cold Turkey clinic. Uh. 1:40:37.720 --> 1:40:37.920 Nothing. 1:40:38.000 --> 1:40:39.559 The other day, it was bad. It just didn't work 1:40:39.600 --> 1:40:43.200 for everyone. They got link In to sponsor a drug 1:40:43.240 --> 1:40:48.960 detoc center. They succeeded by asking nicely, just kidding. On 1:40:49.000 --> 1:40:52.920 November sixth, nineteen seventy, they occupied the sixth floor of 1:40:52.920 --> 1:40:54.560 one of the buildings of the hospital and set it 1:40:54.640 --> 1:40:57.680 up with the help of doctors, into a detox facility. 1:40:58.560 --> 1:40:58.760 Wow. 1:40:59.040 --> 1:41:07.439 Fifteen, yeah, exactly, Yeah. Fifteen people were arrested. So then 1:41:07.640 --> 1:41:09.640 other one other people came back the next day and 1:41:09.640 --> 1:41:12.160 they set it up again, and this time it's stuck. 1:41:13.600 --> 1:41:16.720 This gets called the first harm Reduction Clinic, and they 1:41:16.840 --> 1:41:19.120 used a novel approach in which addiction was seen as 1:41:19.120 --> 1:41:23.240 a social problem and not as individual weakness. Oh. Soon 1:41:23.280 --> 1:41:25.679 they're treating six hundred people a week at this clinic 1:41:26.320 --> 1:41:29.600 and it and it starts as a methodone clinic and 1:41:29.640 --> 1:41:33.559 becomes an acupuncture clinic, and it lasted for eight years. 1:41:33.960 --> 1:41:37.639 It outlasts the Young Lords, and it ends up staffed 1:41:37.640 --> 1:41:39.840 by many people who'd been through the treatment themselves. 1:41:40.800 --> 1:41:44.400 And so this is the beginning of not a. 1:41:43.680 --> 1:41:46.080 Acupuncture Please explain. 1:41:46.720 --> 1:41:51.120 Okay, I do not know what na na DA stands for. 1:41:51.400 --> 1:41:52.360 I will just say. 1:41:52.200 --> 1:41:55.480 That not a detox No wait, never right, Sorry. 1:41:56.320 --> 1:41:59.960 It's something that I've It's like ear acupuncture that I've 1:42:00.080 --> 1:42:02.320 received when I was like, you know, like they used 1:42:02.360 --> 1:42:04.920 to do it at the drop in center when I 1:42:05.000 --> 1:42:10.240 was like a young, homeless teenager, and it's I didn't 1:42:10.640 --> 1:42:15.160 know that this was created by the Young Lords or 1:42:15.200 --> 1:42:19.719 that this just you know, the treatment was like formed 1:42:19.720 --> 1:42:21.479 with the Young Lords and it was like, how do 1:42:21.560 --> 1:42:29.519 we bring accessible, effective acupuncture to working people or lower 1:42:29.520 --> 1:42:30.080 class people. 1:42:30.160 --> 1:42:33.519 Yeah, I am I believe that that is the case. 1:42:33.560 --> 1:42:36.479 That this is. These are the pioneers of doing that 1:42:36.560 --> 1:42:38.479 in the United States. 1:42:38.520 --> 1:42:39.120 So cool. 1:42:39.479 --> 1:42:44.240 Yeah, yeah, they just fucking did everything. I actually didn't 1:42:44.320 --> 1:42:46.920 end up writing into the script more about how the 1:42:46.920 --> 1:42:49.160 patient's Bill of Rights developed out of what they did. 1:42:50.040 --> 1:42:53.800 There's so much that I didn't get to, you know. 1:42:53.800 --> 1:42:56.000 It's like a yeah, I didn't get to follow these 1:42:56.040 --> 1:42:58.439 threads as far as I want, you know. Yeah, yeah, 1:43:00.320 --> 1:43:03.960 So let's kind of talk about their decline. Unfortunately, but 1:43:05.400 --> 1:43:10.479 they have so much lasting impact. So whatever, if you 1:43:10.560 --> 1:43:12.639 write high for two years then burn out and change 1:43:12.680 --> 1:43:14.559 everything along the way, so fucking goes. 1:43:15.120 --> 1:43:17.760 And we can learn from him them. 1:43:17.880 --> 1:43:20.760 Yeah. So these two years are kind of the high 1:43:20.760 --> 1:43:22.960 point of the Young Lords. Co intel pro is fucking 1:43:23.000 --> 1:43:25.840 with them really hard. They found an easy target in 1:43:25.880 --> 1:43:29.280 the culture of obsessive discipline and self criticism and central authority. 1:43:29.280 --> 1:43:32.760 That was I think building and growing. But I could 1:43:32.800 --> 1:43:35.280 be wrong. I could be the read of stuff I'm reading. 1:43:36.160 --> 1:43:40.240 One of the central leaders Felipe Luciano, he's practically the 1:43:40.240 --> 1:43:43.040 face of the group. He was demoted after cheating on 1:43:43.080 --> 1:43:46.840 his wife, who was one of the other leaders. They 1:43:46.840 --> 1:43:50.800 had set really strict rules about who could talk to 1:43:50.840 --> 1:43:54.320 the press, and so a co intel Pro agent pretended 1:43:54.320 --> 1:43:57.800 to be one of the Bronx leaders speaking to the press, like, Hey, 1:43:57.880 --> 1:44:00.360 I'm this guy and I'm speaking to the press. And 1:44:00.400 --> 1:44:02.559 then so then the other leaders are so mad that 1:44:02.600 --> 1:44:04.000 this guy spoke to the press even though they have 1:44:04.000 --> 1:44:05.560 strict rules about who can speak to the press, and 1:44:05.600 --> 1:44:06.760 he wasn't on the approved. 1:44:06.400 --> 1:44:08.960 List because I wasn't him. 1:44:09.360 --> 1:44:15.680 Yeah, so he's in trouble. And oh and the thing 1:44:15.680 --> 1:44:17.599 that he supposedly spoke to the press about was about 1:44:17.600 --> 1:44:19.639 how Philippe had been demoted because he was a male 1:44:19.680 --> 1:44:24.559 chauvinist with unclear politics. So they're like stirring up the shit, right, which. 1:44:24.360 --> 1:44:27.439 Is like on his Wikipedia page because I looked it up. 1:44:27.520 --> 1:44:30.080 Oh yeah, I thought he's a male Chovenis who was Yeah. 1:44:29.720 --> 1:44:32.960 Yeah, like the quote. So it's interesting to know, yeah, 1:44:33.000 --> 1:44:34.880 where this is coming from. 1:44:35.040 --> 1:44:38.439 Yeah, I mean, like, and he overall co intel Pro 1:44:38.600 --> 1:44:40.800 likes to find existing cracks and expand them. 1:44:40.960 --> 1:44:41.400 Yeah yeah. 1:44:41.439 --> 1:44:44.160 Yeah. But so you can look at that two ways. 1:44:44.200 --> 1:44:47.879 We could be like, well, we're vulnerable to federal infiltration 1:44:47.960 --> 1:44:50.920 if we have sexists, which is true. You can also 1:44:50.960 --> 1:44:55.799 look at at as we're vulnerable to fed we're vulnerable 1:44:55.840 --> 1:45:03.080 to this shit if we're so quick to who well, 1:45:03.880 --> 1:45:06.080 now get into murky waters. But like you know, we're 1:45:06.080 --> 1:45:08.040 so quick to get mad at everyone about these things, 1:45:08.040 --> 1:45:09.920 and we have so many controls about all of these things, 1:45:09.920 --> 1:45:12.599 you know, And so it's like demoting a leader because 1:45:12.600 --> 1:45:14.400 he's sexist is not bad. But the way it was 1:45:14.439 --> 1:45:18.160 handled was manipulated by the FEDS. Most likely within a 1:45:18.200 --> 1:45:21.960 month he left the organization that he'd started or had 1:45:21.960 --> 1:45:25.200 a hand in starting. Yeah, things start to get darker. 1:45:25.439 --> 1:45:30.040 On October seventeenth, nineteen seventy, the Young Lord j Roldin 1:45:30.960 --> 1:45:33.320 he's found it hanging in a cell in the Tombs, 1:45:34.479 --> 1:45:37.600 and he's one of eight quote suicides that year in 1:45:37.640 --> 1:45:40.559 the Tombs, one of whom had somehow fractured his own 1:45:40.640 --> 1:45:45.320 skull while hanging himself, if you believe the police, which 1:45:45.520 --> 1:45:50.479 I don't. So when Julio died, a thousand people came 1:45:50.520 --> 1:45:54.559 to his viewing At his funeral march the onlookers chanted 1:45:55.000 --> 1:45:58.920 in his chant rules Fuego, fuego, fuego, Los Yankees kiet 1:45:58.960 --> 1:46:04.360 and fuego fire, fire fire, The Yankees want some fire whoa, 1:46:04.960 --> 1:46:06.320 which is hard as fuck. 1:46:07.360 --> 1:46:10.920 Yeah, They're like oh you want you want some buckets? 1:46:12.000 --> 1:46:12.840 Yeah. 1:46:12.880 --> 1:46:13.360 Wow. 1:46:15.240 --> 1:46:17.680 So it's at this point in the narratives that I've 1:46:17.720 --> 1:46:20.200 read that they pick up the gun more literally. Okay, 1:46:20.640 --> 1:46:23.639 the funeral stops for a second viewing at that Methodist 1:46:23.720 --> 1:46:25.920 church they'd once occupied with nothing but non trucks and 1:46:25.960 --> 1:46:29.879 community support. They go into the church, they open the casket. 1:46:30.040 --> 1:46:35.240 Alongside his body is an arsenal of guns in the casket. Yeah, 1:46:35.280 --> 1:46:36.720 that's how they hit it. Yeah, that's how they got 1:46:36.720 --> 1:46:37.320 into the church. 1:46:37.840 --> 1:46:38.080 Whoa. 1:46:39.240 --> 1:46:43.720 They stuffed his casket full of full of weapons and 1:46:43.760 --> 1:46:46.640 they use it to occupy the church. Their first and 1:46:46.680 --> 1:46:50.519 foremost demand was an independent investigation into Julio Roldon's death. 1:46:51.479 --> 1:46:53.320 The other demands were let us set up a legal 1:46:53.320 --> 1:46:55.559 defense center here, and also the city needs to let 1:46:55.560 --> 1:46:59.880 clergymen visit people in prison and investigate prison conditions. So 1:47:01.200 --> 1:47:03.920 a diverse group of clergy took the demand to the city. 1:47:04.360 --> 1:47:07.240 The city was like, yeah, fuck you. So then eighteen 1:47:07.280 --> 1:47:10.560 clergy members joined the armed occupation because they were like, 1:47:10.920 --> 1:47:12.320 he's not listening to us. You're the only way to 1:47:12.320 --> 1:47:13.519 get anything fucking done. 1:47:14.000 --> 1:47:15.400 Yeah. 1:47:15.560 --> 1:47:17.200 And I started this off by being like, oh, they're 1:47:17.240 --> 1:47:19.760 getting this darker as during the decline. I feel like 1:47:19.800 --> 1:47:21.840 I almost I feel kind of bad using this as 1:47:21.880 --> 1:47:26.800 like because it's an escalation, but it's not. I am 1:47:26.800 --> 1:47:30.200 not putting moral judgment on this particular choice and escalation. 1:47:30.760 --> 1:47:33.400 Yeah right. They weren't trying to go down in a 1:47:33.400 --> 1:47:37.080 blaze of glory, and they started negotiations. Older women from 1:47:37.080 --> 1:47:40.360 the neighborhood secreted out the guns and pieces basically like 1:47:40.400 --> 1:47:42.760 because they were like, we're going fucking down. We don't 1:47:42.800 --> 1:47:45.479 want to all get murdered, So like, yeah, piece by piece, 1:47:45.520 --> 1:47:49.080 all the guns get disappeared. Negotiations picked up. The city 1:47:49.120 --> 1:47:51.680 gave in and started an independent investigation into the death 1:47:51.720 --> 1:47:56.000 of Julio Rolden, and the independent report was clear Julio 1:47:56.080 --> 1:48:00.880 did hang himself, and at least according this investigation, in 1:48:00.920 --> 1:48:03.360 twenty seven pages, some excerpted in The New York Times, 1:48:03.400 --> 1:48:06.719 it said basically, in a paraphrase, he killed himself because 1:48:06.760 --> 1:48:09.479 the tombs is a fucking nightmare pit that drives people 1:48:09.520 --> 1:48:14.120 to suicide. And mainstream news articles basically were saying, like, yeah, 1:48:14.160 --> 1:48:17.920 sometimes suicide is murder. This is such a case. You 1:48:18.000 --> 1:48:20.439 put someone in this terrible of a situation, you are 1:48:20.520 --> 1:48:25.599 killing them, even if Julio most likely hanged himself. I 1:48:25.640 --> 1:48:28.080 bet that one who cracked his own scald didn't fucking 1:48:28.120 --> 1:48:28.759 hang himself. 1:48:29.200 --> 1:48:30.599 Yeah, that doesn't sound like a. 1:48:32.160 --> 1:48:35.479 They held the church for two months until December nineteen 1:48:35.479 --> 1:48:37.639 seventy is a year after the last time they held 1:48:37.640 --> 1:48:40.240 the church, you know. And they did their thing there. 1:48:40.320 --> 1:48:43.439 They fed people, they offered free legal help. Radical priests 1:48:43.479 --> 1:48:47.959 started showing up and doing stuff there, but the organization 1:48:48.040 --> 1:48:52.160 started to decline. After this, they followed a familiar course. 1:48:52.280 --> 1:48:56.040 To quote author Johanna Fernandez, the movements were on the 1:48:56.080 --> 1:48:59.040 path of decline. Others saw mounting state repression as a 1:48:59.080 --> 1:49:02.040 reason to embrace the to self defense within their relatively 1:49:02.080 --> 1:49:04.559 small groups, which they confuse with the defense of the 1:49:04.600 --> 1:49:08.800 masses in their communities. Amid the disorientation and siege mentality 1:49:08.880 --> 1:49:12.960 produced by state repression, radicals became somewhat isolated from their communities. 1:49:13.280 --> 1:49:16.559 They began to see themselves as enlightened actors. Before long, 1:49:16.640 --> 1:49:20.080 they began to substitute the painstaking task of grassroots mobilization 1:49:20.200 --> 1:49:23.559 with heroic acts of sacrifice taken on behalf of quote 1:49:23.560 --> 1:49:29.120 the people. The central leadership had a closed retreat just 1:49:29.160 --> 1:49:31.920 for itself to figure out what's going wrong, why things 1:49:31.920 --> 1:49:35.120 are getting bad, and they decide that the answer is 1:49:35.120 --> 1:49:38.240 that they need to centralize more power. They decided at 1:49:38.240 --> 1:49:40.840 the retreat that the social services move was the wrong 1:49:40.880 --> 1:49:44.200 one and instead they should focus on leading a revolution 1:49:44.280 --> 1:49:47.240 to free Puerto Rico, and basically are like, if you're 1:49:47.240 --> 1:49:50.520 real revolutionaries, this is what you care about, not this volunteerism, 1:49:51.040 --> 1:49:53.920 which means we're shifting over to fundraising and now that's 1:49:53.920 --> 1:49:55.519 what we're going to do here in the United States 1:49:55.560 --> 1:50:00.240 as fundraise and relocate organizers to Puerto Rico. And the 1:50:00.280 --> 1:50:04.000 rank and file of the Young Lords aren't really excited 1:50:04.040 --> 1:50:06.880 about this, And actually, I think some of it probably 1:50:06.880 --> 1:50:08.240 has to do with some of what you're talking about, 1:50:08.240 --> 1:50:11.759 like New Eyorekan identity and it's just from the island. 1:50:12.800 --> 1:50:16.120 Yeah, very I mean, I'm sure some of them had 1:50:16.120 --> 1:50:20.439 connection to the island, you know, but definitely strange move 1:50:20.640 --> 1:50:24.559 to go far away and then try to free people 1:50:24.600 --> 1:50:27.960 over there who could probably if they're going to free themselves, 1:50:27.960 --> 1:50:29.520 they should probably free themselves. 1:50:29.920 --> 1:50:35.080 Yeah. Yeah, So their membership starts to decline. It didn't 1:50:35.120 --> 1:50:37.080 help that they got really paranoid about co intel pro, 1:50:37.160 --> 1:50:39.160 which is not their fault. That is literally the purpose 1:50:39.160 --> 1:50:42.120 of co intel pro totally and they started to purge 1:50:42.120 --> 1:50:45.240 people without evidence, especially people who were critical of this 1:50:45.320 --> 1:50:48.439 new change in focus. So they dropped from one thousand 1:50:48.479 --> 1:50:50.800 members to two hundred members and not very long at all. 1:50:52.200 --> 1:50:55.360 They were not well received in Puerto Rico. They showed 1:50:55.400 --> 1:50:58.080 up in fatigues and berets, and this didn't go over 1:50:58.160 --> 1:51:00.720 as a powerful symbol of working class and see, it 1:51:00.800 --> 1:51:04.200 just confused people. The Nationalist Party that they showed up 1:51:04.240 --> 1:51:07.400 to help didn't really like them. Most of the independence 1:51:07.439 --> 1:51:11.000 movements at the time there were rich and white, oh wow. 1:51:11.520 --> 1:51:15.160 And they also white within the Puerto Rican context, probably 1:51:15.160 --> 1:51:18.719 in the United States context well the mainland. And also 1:51:18.760 --> 1:51:20.439 they were like buds, you can't just show up out 1:51:20.479 --> 1:51:22.800 of nowhere and tell us you're going to free us. 1:51:22.840 --> 1:51:25.720 And they were outsiders. They knew how to organize in 1:51:25.720 --> 1:51:27.880 New York City really well. On the island, they met 1:51:27.920 --> 1:51:32.240 with little success. They did do stuffy it was earnest. 1:51:33.120 --> 1:51:35.160 By June nineteen seventy one, two of the three New 1:51:35.240 --> 1:51:39.400 York City offices shut their doors. They switched ideological focuses again, 1:51:40.120 --> 1:51:43.000 and this time they switched to a workerist attitude, meaning 1:51:43.040 --> 1:51:46.519 the lump and proletariat, the thieves and stuff. They're no 1:51:46.600 --> 1:51:50.280 longer the shit, so now we're all on the workers. 1:51:50.760 --> 1:51:54.120 But there's a problem here. Being a young lord was 1:51:54.160 --> 1:51:57.160 a full time twenty four to seven commitment, which means 1:51:57.160 --> 1:52:00.760 workers hadn't joined. It was the unemployed or the soon 1:52:00.760 --> 1:52:05.080 to be unemployed. Students, youth, and criminals were primarily who 1:52:05.240 --> 1:52:08.280 the young Lord's recruited from. So they didn't get workers. 1:52:08.320 --> 1:52:11.599 They just lost lumpin. So they went out and tried 1:52:11.600 --> 1:52:14.400 to get jobs in industry to go organize people, which 1:52:14.600 --> 1:52:18.360 kind of went over, like showing up in Puerto Rico. Yeah, 1:52:18.400 --> 1:52:21.320 they got more rigid and dogmatic, and they spiraled. They 1:52:21.360 --> 1:52:23.479 tried to solve it in nineteen seventy two by having 1:52:23.520 --> 1:52:26.479 a forty day course of Marxist study in which they 1:52:26.520 --> 1:52:29.320 discussed in red marks for six hours a day and 1:52:29.400 --> 1:52:33.479 tried to out revolutionary each other. This further alienated them 1:52:33.479 --> 1:52:38.479 from everyone. No, I know, I know, and it's like, 1:52:38.680 --> 1:52:42.360 I'm sure there's another read of this, you know. Yeah, 1:52:42.479 --> 1:52:43.000 but like. 1:52:43.479 --> 1:52:47.599 Also dealing with immense pressure and like yeah, like yeah, 1:52:47.680 --> 1:52:49.639 it's so easy for us to be like and contal 1:52:49.680 --> 1:52:52.559 prow was happening It's like they didn't know Conte Pearl 1:52:52.760 --> 1:52:54.760 isn't a thing that people knew, you know. 1:52:54.920 --> 1:53:00.760 Right, they had just learned but ah, oh okay, yeah. 1:53:00.200 --> 1:53:04.760 With the paranoia and yeah. 1:53:04.880 --> 1:53:07.759 So they tried to solve their further alienation from everyone 1:53:07.800 --> 1:53:10.400 by centralizing the authority from a central leadership to a 1:53:10.400 --> 1:53:13.960 central leader, a woman named Gloria Fontanas, and then they 1:53:14.040 --> 1:53:16.160 kicked out all the people who had gone to Puerto Rico. 1:53:17.080 --> 1:53:20.679 Because the people who had gone to Puerto Rico were like, hey, 1:53:20.720 --> 1:53:25.719 this isn't working, we shouldn't do this, but central leadership 1:53:25.800 --> 1:53:27.840 was like, Nope, you've got to stay the course. Some 1:53:27.880 --> 1:53:30.120 of the leadership flew down there and barged in and 1:53:30.200 --> 1:53:34.040 yelled at everyone for betraying the movement by betraying their authority, 1:53:34.120 --> 1:53:37.120 and called them the enemies of the people. The Young 1:53:37.120 --> 1:53:40.919 Lord's Party changed their name to Puerto Rican Revolutionary Workers Organization, 1:53:42.360 --> 1:53:46.000 which isn't so catchy. They demoted their central leader for 1:53:46.120 --> 1:53:50.800 being too petty bourgeoisie. And that's kind of the tail 1:53:50.880 --> 1:53:52.880 spin of the New York chapter. As far as I 1:53:52.880 --> 1:53:57.120 can tell, Chicago kept going and individuals from all of 1:53:57.160 --> 1:54:00.479 this right and like people still doing things as young 1:54:00.560 --> 1:54:06.080 Lords did a lot of stuff Chicago, in particular, their 1:54:06.120 --> 1:54:09.800 moment seemed kind of gone, and I don't know enough 1:54:09.840 --> 1:54:12.920 to do the rest of it real justice. A lot 1:54:12.960 --> 1:54:15.839 of Chicago Young Lords sort of move into the electoral sphere, 1:54:17.000 --> 1:54:19.599 are involved in getting I think, I want to say 1:54:19.680 --> 1:54:23.840 Chicago's first black mayor elected. Oh wow, like ten years 1:54:23.880 --> 1:54:26.360 later or so, it's not in the scripts around the 1:54:26.439 --> 1:54:29.000 numbers in front of me. A ton of them stayed 1:54:29.040 --> 1:54:32.120 really radical and keep kept doing good work. I don't 1:54:32.160 --> 1:54:33.840 really want to linger on their fall. I want to 1:54:33.840 --> 1:54:36.000 stay with most of what they did, but I will 1:54:36.040 --> 1:54:39.000 mention one of the young lords, one of their lawyers 1:54:39.000 --> 1:54:42.840 who helped them out a lot. He went on to 1:54:42.880 --> 1:54:43.840 become a famous man. 1:54:44.600 --> 1:54:48.240 Oh no, I know you're talking about. 1:54:47.800 --> 1:54:49.520 The Republican Fox News host. 1:54:50.240 --> 1:54:52.360 Oh my god, her. 1:54:52.320 --> 1:54:54.520 Name, his name is Heraldo Rivera. 1:54:54.960 --> 1:55:05.960 Oh my god, I mean taking my fucking head. I 1:55:06.080 --> 1:55:11.040 prefer to remember Huan Gonzales instead. Yeah, oh, co step 1:55:11.080 --> 1:55:12.120 democracy now. 1:55:12.480 --> 1:55:15.760 Yeah, oh yeah, that's right. Yeah, and fucking and your 1:55:15.840 --> 1:55:19.879 uncle who fucking quit. Yeah yeah, he's not actually related. 1:55:20.840 --> 1:55:23.400 Well we're going to see about that. Okay, okay, I'm 1:55:23.440 --> 1:55:26.200 scared of DNA websites. So I don't do that, but 1:55:26.600 --> 1:55:30.680 I'll do some I'll do some googling, yeah and find him, 1:55:31.200 --> 1:55:32.400 write him a random email. 1:55:32.840 --> 1:55:39.840 Yeah. Yeah, no. And it's like every some cliche. I 1:55:39.960 --> 1:55:41.640 learned a long time ago that like every story is 1:55:41.680 --> 1:55:43.080 a tragedy if you don't know when to end it, 1:55:44.280 --> 1:55:48.120 you know, because like all of us die, right, everything passes. 1:55:49.560 --> 1:55:53.320 But god damn, they got so much done. 1:55:53.560 --> 1:55:54.560 Yeah. 1:55:54.680 --> 1:55:58.360 Yeah, And also there are so many of these members 1:55:58.360 --> 1:56:01.720 who even if they didn't get famous or something, you know, 1:56:01.760 --> 1:56:05.600 there was still like incredible community activists and yeah, you 1:56:05.640 --> 1:56:09.400 know are doing or making an amazing art. One woman 1:56:11.360 --> 1:56:16.680 made a really great documentary called That's Really Great on YouTube. 1:56:16.920 --> 1:56:20.920 So yeah, they're still out there and there's still total badasses. 1:56:21.240 --> 1:56:24.680 Yeah, it's so fucking good. I listened to a bunch 1:56:24.680 --> 1:56:26.840 of different interviews where yeah, you can still listen to 1:56:26.880 --> 1:56:29.760 interviews where like the guy who stole the van, who's like, yeah, 1:56:29.760 --> 1:56:32.400 we stole the van, and like the woman who like 1:56:32.920 --> 1:56:36.160 staffed the table in the host in Lincoln Hospital and 1:56:36.240 --> 1:56:37.840 just was like every day I'm gonna sit in the 1:56:37.840 --> 1:56:39.880 butcher shop and let people tell me what's wrong here, 1:56:40.800 --> 1:56:48.520 you know, like still alive like still fucking yeah. Well 1:56:49.560 --> 1:56:53.280 that's uh, that's the Young Lord's. That's the first four 1:56:53.280 --> 1:56:56.600 partter I ever wrote. The second one we recorded, but 1:56:58.360 --> 1:57:00.160 I don't know any any other final. 1:57:01.120 --> 1:57:03.600 Well, no, I think we said it all. I guess, 1:57:03.680 --> 1:57:07.040 you know. For me, what I really took away from 1:57:07.320 --> 1:57:10.920 learning about the Young Lords is just is how important 1:57:11.320 --> 1:57:13.760 it was for them and it is for us to 1:57:14.360 --> 1:57:18.880 listen to the folks that live around us, to listen 1:57:18.960 --> 1:57:22.200 to people who you know, if you're someone like me 1:57:22.240 --> 1:57:24.680 who's an artist, I think it's really important for me 1:57:24.760 --> 1:57:27.800 to listen to people who have to fucking work every 1:57:27.880 --> 1:57:32.880 day and or are much older than me, or you know. 1:57:33.320 --> 1:57:36.000 I think that was something that I really inspired me 1:57:36.400 --> 1:57:39.520 about them is their ability in the beginning to listen 1:57:40.160 --> 1:57:43.960 to their community about what they wanted and needed, yeah, 1:57:44.760 --> 1:57:45.040 you know. 1:57:46.320 --> 1:57:48.480 And just like create a fucking to do list and 1:57:48.600 --> 1:57:52.760 just started checking boxes off seriously. Yeah. 1:57:52.800 --> 1:57:56.400 And also the Berets were cool, let's just say it. 1:57:58.000 --> 1:58:00.800 And first organized by a fifteen year old who was like, 1:58:01.000 --> 1:58:04.400 I need fucking I need to like throw a bunch 1:58:04.480 --> 1:58:07.080 of dance shows to like make money to get us 1:58:07.080 --> 1:58:13.160 all cool black and for the whim. Yeah, well, if 1:58:13.200 --> 1:58:16.400 people want to listen to you. I will say everyone 1:58:16.440 --> 1:58:18.120 should go listen to song Polente. You should look it 1:58:18.200 --> 1:58:20.440 up on YouTube so you can watch the video. P 1:58:20.560 --> 1:58:23.360 A l e n t E. I don't know where 1:58:23.360 --> 1:58:26.560 the g A l a n t e a n 1:58:26.600 --> 1:58:28.400 t E. Yeah, apologize. 1:58:29.240 --> 1:58:32.640 Yeah, there's a great music video directed by my friend 1:58:32.720 --> 1:58:36.000 Chris Murk, who's an incredible director. My dad is in it, 1:58:36.200 --> 1:58:38.600 which is really cool to see him pop up in there, 1:58:38.640 --> 1:58:43.080 and a lot of there's the Pedro Pietri uh an 1:58:43.120 --> 1:58:48.080 excerpt from his his poem Puerto Rican Obituary. And I 1:58:48.200 --> 1:58:50.680 encourage anybody to just like go down the rabbit hole 1:58:50.760 --> 1:58:55.440 of like how much amazing stuff was created from this movement, 1:58:55.560 --> 1:58:58.160 like the new Arekan Poets Cafe and stuff like that. 1:58:58.680 --> 1:59:01.200 Yeah, what's your new album called? 1:59:02.400 --> 1:59:05.480 Well, my new album. I just finished recording it, so 1:59:06.000 --> 1:59:07.640 I'm not going to reveal the name yet. 1:59:07.680 --> 1:59:09.200 Oh I'm sorry I timed this past. 1:59:09.280 --> 1:59:13.080 Yeah, Okay, it's okay. Uh, it's going to come out. 1:59:13.280 --> 1:59:15.560 I hope it comes out sometime next year. I haven't 1:59:15.560 --> 1:59:17.920 gotten the rough mixes back yet, so I'm going kind 1:59:17.920 --> 1:59:20.680 of crazy because I want to hear what I did. 1:59:21.040 --> 1:59:22.680 Okay, So this is what you're about to tour on. 1:59:23.720 --> 1:59:26.360 No, I'm still touring on my last record. My last 1:59:26.400 --> 1:59:29.560 record is called Life on Earth. It came out last February. 1:59:30.520 --> 1:59:34.200 And I'll be out there playing music like on the 1:59:34.240 --> 1:59:38.680 West Coast in May cool, and then in July. Oh yeah, 1:59:38.720 --> 1:59:42.320 I'm going to be playing Portland cool. In July, I'll 1:59:42.360 --> 1:59:47.080 be playing all around link the Midwest and stuff sick. Yeah, 1:59:47.120 --> 1:59:50.440 So come see us, buy some merch, help us out where. 1:59:51.360 --> 1:59:54.280 It's tough out there, hanging in there. 1:59:54.360 --> 1:59:56.480 Hasn't been a good couple of years for career musicians. 1:59:56.560 --> 1:59:57.200 Is that what we're saying? 1:59:57.240 --> 2:00:01.520 Oh my god? Yeah, I get like, you know, a 2:00:03.440 --> 2:00:06.320 glimmer of a penny anytime you listen to me on Spotify, 2:00:06.480 --> 2:00:13.040 So head over to band camp. I encourage everyone to 2:00:11.960 --> 2:00:15.760 get music off band camp on band Camp Fridays. It 2:00:15.800 --> 2:00:17.000 really helps us. 2:00:17.280 --> 2:00:21.840 Yeah. I try and buy albums and then I do 2:00:21.920 --> 2:00:23.960 a lot of my listening on Spotify, but I like 2:00:25.120 --> 2:00:27.520 it's nice to also buy it, you. 2:00:27.480 --> 2:00:30.200 Know, yeah, totally, Yeah, it all helps. 2:00:30.400 --> 2:00:31.760 Yeah. 2:00:32.160 --> 2:00:36.480 Okay, what else can I pitch? I'm going to kickstart 2:00:36.520 --> 2:00:38.320 a tabletop role playing game this summer. 2:00:39.400 --> 2:00:39.640 Wow. 2:00:40.440 --> 2:00:42.400 I've been working on a stabletop role playing game called 2:00:42.400 --> 2:00:44.560 The Number City for like ten fucking years, and I'm 2:00:44.560 --> 2:00:47.440 working with a really good crew of people. If you 2:00:47.480 --> 2:00:52.480 want to play Gangs Versus the Goding tabletop role playing game, 2:00:53.520 --> 2:00:56.720 you should check that out once it gets kickstarted. I 2:00:56.720 --> 2:00:59.920 think I don't want to. I know what dates. I 2:01:00.080 --> 2:01:01.680 think we're going to kickstart it, but I don't want 2:01:01.680 --> 2:01:04.920 to say it. I don't want to be wrong. And 2:01:04.960 --> 2:01:07.640 then I'm going to be another tabletop role playing game 2:01:07.680 --> 2:01:12.160 I'm writing for oh that was not announced yet. Ah, 2:01:13.080 --> 2:01:19.000 stupid things with things and controlling information. That's what I got. 2:01:19.720 --> 2:01:23.600 And also my most recent book is Escape from Insult Island, 2:01:24.360 --> 2:01:27.360 and if you want quick adventure, read it's a very 2:01:27.400 --> 2:01:29.080 short book. If you have a I get a lot 2:01:29.080 --> 2:01:30.760 of messages from people who are like, I don't read 2:01:30.840 --> 2:01:32.919 much because I don't have the attention span for it anymore. 2:01:33.040 --> 2:01:35.760 But I can read your books. Takes only a couple 2:01:35.840 --> 2:01:37.600 hours to read it Escape from Insul Island, And he'd 2:01:37.600 --> 2:01:39.240 be like, I read a whole last book because it's 2:01:39.520 --> 2:01:44.120 about one hundred pages long. Uh. And you can also 2:01:44.280 --> 2:01:48.520 get my friend Jamie's book called raw dogged Rall Dog, 2:01:52.000 --> 2:02:01.720 Oh God Dog, Okay, you can get Jamie's book, which 2:02:01.760 --> 2:02:04.960 is about hot dogs. I don't know what you're talking about, Margaret, 2:02:06.200 --> 2:02:12.880 there's no double euphemism there. I'm fucking literally blushing. I 2:02:12.920 --> 2:02:15.720 think we got to end the episode. It's over, We're done. 2:02:16.080 --> 2:02:16.520 You did it. 2:02:19.640 --> 2:02:22.120 Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff is a production of 2:02:22.200 --> 2:02:25.280 cool Zone Media. 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