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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy, and this week I'm traveling

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Speaker 2: and instead of doing the thing, I'm doing a different

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Speaker 2: thing where I play a rerun, and in this case,

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Speaker 2: I'm playing a rerun that I thought would tie in

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Speaker 2: really well with last week's episode. Last week we talked

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Speaker 2: about the first Paramedics, so this week we're going to

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Speaker 2: revisit the Young Lord's.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk about the group of radicals who

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Speaker 3: completely changed the way that healthcare works in this country

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Speaker 3: by taking direct action and doing all kinds of cool stuff.

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Speaker 2: I hope you enjoy it. Hello and welcome to Inside Podcasting,

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Speaker 2: I'm your host Mariya Kiljoy, which is much nicer and

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Speaker 2: easier to say. You see. That's that's the first tip

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Speaker 2: on this okay, so with me today is a Linda Segata.

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Speaker 1: Allow.

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Speaker 4: I'm good, I'm happy to be here.

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Speaker 2: Yay. Usually I'm like, on this day, that's totally a

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Speaker 2: different day than last time. But this time it is

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Speaker 2: a different day than last It is.

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Speaker 4: We're older, wiser, yeah, and last week.

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Speaker 2: And I'm on more antibiotics than I was last week.

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Speaker 2: But I have less tooth pain, so that is an advantage. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think I did the last recording with like wisdom

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Speaker 4: Oh wowsy Alec.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, our producer is back. We're no longer running rudderless.

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Speaker 2: We have Sophie Lichtman with us. Sophie, how are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Is that what happens when I'm not here?

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Speaker 4: We were lost? It was my first time, but I

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Speaker 4: was lost about you.

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Speaker 1: Oh thank you, Linda.

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Speaker 2: That was not your first rodeo.

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Speaker 1: Oh I'm glad to be back and I excited excited

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Speaker 1: to hear parts three and four.

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Speaker 2: Yeah okay. Also our audio engineers Ian, thanks Ian for

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Speaker 2: doing the thankless work. Our theme music was written for

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Speaker 2: us by un Woman. This week we are picking up

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Speaker 2: where we left off last week for our second ever

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Speaker 2: four parter. Go back and listen to parts one and two.

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Speaker 2: What's wrong with you? Why do you start on episode

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Speaker 2: three of a four part You're probably the kind of

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Speaker 2: person who can read comic books. I can't read comic

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Speaker 2: books because I don't know where to start.

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Speaker 4: Wow, really, you start wherever?

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Speaker 1: I know?

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Speaker 2: That's just the word for me to be fair bagpie.

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Speaker 1: We just made a We just made an off mic

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Speaker 1: argument for why you would start at the end of

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Speaker 1: something instead of at the beginning, because you might find

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Speaker 1: out somebody that you think is a hero is actually

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Speaker 1: a really, really bad person in their personal life.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's true. I actually, for research purposes, should probably

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Speaker 2: start all biographies about three quarters of the way through

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Speaker 2: the book and read through the episode. Yeah yeah, all right,

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Speaker 2: fair enough. Well that's not what's happening in this particular episode.

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Speaker 2: They you know, no one's perfect, no group is perfect.

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Speaker 2: But we're focusing on the stuff that the Young Lords did,

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Speaker 2: and there was way too much good shit to just

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Speaker 2: do in two episodes. So here we are. We are

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Speaker 2: talking about the Young Lords, a Puerto Rican street gang

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Speaker 2: they're all set to come into their own so let's

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Speaker 2: they're way more popular than they were, and they turned

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Speaker 2: They set up police watch organizations to go watch the police,

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Speaker 2: It was an autonomous affiliate network of neighbor neighbors circles,

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Speaker 2: de escalation. They also helped resist unlawful arrests WHOA. And

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Speaker 2: their goal was to eventually make the police obsolete. I

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Speaker 2: I know, I'm like, why doesn't this just happen? Why

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Speaker 2: But he sucks anyway. They were unarmed, or at least

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about what weapons they did use.

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Speaker 2: Have you have you heard what weapon they're like signature

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Speaker 2: weapon was. No, I'm not going to tell you yet.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna come up later in the script. Okay, so good.

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Speaker 2: I want you to think about what would be the

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Speaker 4: I know, right now I'm picturing like chain with the

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Speaker 2: That's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Is it a battle axe?

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Speaker 2: When I do my spinoff episode Great Medieval Weapons of

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Speaker 2: History to explain the difference in morning stars and flails,

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Speaker 2: was actually historically used medieval. Okay, anyway, so they waited

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Speaker 2: roaming the streets. They ended up with two hundred volunteers

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Speaker 4: Holy shit. Yeah, yeah, one hundred people is a lot

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Speaker 2: I know, and like, I want to know more about

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Speaker 2: But you know, they also launched a children's breakfast program

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Speaker 2: working together with the Black Panthers. I think that and

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Speaker 2: this is an inference from several sources, but I think

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Speaker 2: because the Panther twenty one trial, right, So the Young

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Speaker 2: do it. And the cops work really hard to discourage

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Speaker 2: parents from letting their kids participate, saying basically like, oh,

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Speaker 2: Keep your kids away from you know, the evil Young

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Speaker 2: do you want some chairs? We still out of this VW.

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Speaker 2: And that's where all the chairs in the office came from.

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Speaker 4: Who knows bread sourcing?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, from each, according to ability to steal, to each,

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Speaker 2: not metaphorically clean the streets, although we'll talk about some

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Speaker 4: I know I would I would think there'd be more

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I struggle to imagine that right now, in

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I guess. I mean the need was so

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, totally. And I bet you it's like I

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Speaker 2: seventies movements, is that people go full time to work

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Speaker 2: a degree when instead I can change the world.

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Speaker 2: As someone who made that decision myself, I have a

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Speaker 2: No, No, everyone who finished their degrees, that's great. Fuck. Yeah. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: they start working alongside the welfare rights movement. They're just

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Speaker 2: and then sat down and got arrested or something like that,

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Speaker 2: which has been which is locked up basically everyone in

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Speaker 2: the show who's lived in New York over the course

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Speaker 2: of one hundred and fifty years, Like we do episodes

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Speaker 2: about the nineteenth century, and all of the anarchists are

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Speaker 2: getting sent to the tombs. Oh wow, and here we

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Speaker 2: are in the nineteen sixties. People are getting sent to

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Speaker 2: the Tombs. Have you ever been to the Tombs? I

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Speaker 2: I have not. Actually, okay, I never got it, but.

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Speaker 2: I feel like most guests, I'd be very nervous to

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Speaker 2: So there's no like, you can't really pretend like they're reformists, right.

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Speaker 2: That makes a lot of sense. The like like there's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, fuck yah. Speaking of what we need

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Speaker 2: So it's been a particular week of like learning about

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like all social club.

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Speaker 4: Oh wows more honest?

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Speaker 2: And it'll be particularly funny because these ads change over time, right,

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Speaker 4: Really happening. I didn't want to.

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Speaker 1: Famous vegan snack the Oreo.

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Speaker 4: No, it's vegan.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's why the newman O's thing is like

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Speaker 2: I know this is the problem, Like anyway, the incredible

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Speaker 4: It's true.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, but what most jobs. I'm going to turn

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Speaker 2: training before they moved to work on You know people

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Speaker 2: that society actually cared about. Lincoln Hospital, the only hospital

436
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 2: at the time in the South Bronx, was called the

437
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 2: butcher Shop. People would go in there to get a

438
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,640
Speaker 2: leg amputated and come out with the wrong leg amputated.

439
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 4: Holy shit.

440
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was no triage in the waiting room of

441
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 2: the er. The paint in the children's ward was lead.

442
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 2: We'll talk more about lead pain. Here's a nice euphemism.

443
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 2: People got enrolled into medical studies without their consent. That

444
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 2: is the nicest way of phrasing that I can possibly

445
00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 2: imagine seriously is a it's bad. It's like a really

446
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 2: bad thing. So the Young Lords single handedly, No wait,

447
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 2: they show up as one player and a larger coalition

448
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 2: of groups fighting for health rights, the East Harlem Health Council,

449
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 2: the e h HC. This is actually before they moved

450
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 2: to the South Bronx. We're going to come back and

451
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 2: talk about Lincoln Hospital a little bit later, okay, But

452
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 2: so this is the when they're still more in East Harlem.

453
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 2: They're protesting inside and outside of hospitals about the abuses

454
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 2: happening there. And a ton of the medical providers at

455
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 2: these hospitals were involved in organizing with the EHHC, just

456
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 2: usually not the administration, but the actual doctors and the

457
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 2: ha other you know, nursing staff and administrative staff and stuff.

458
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 2: Administrative staff, I don't know what you call the people

459
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 2: who aren't the bosses but are still administering things.

460
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got nothing, yeah, administrative staff, yeah, middle management yeah.

461
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

462
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 2: And I think it's like again, like you have these

463
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,360
Speaker 2: like people who are like we're crazy socialists, who we're

464
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 2: crazy yaw in uniforms and patrol like to keep the

465
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 2: cops off of our block. And the doctors are like, wait,

466
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 2: but are you trying to help people? And they're like yeah,

467
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 2: and they're like all right, great, we're trying to help

468
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 2: people too. How do we help people? You know?

469
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah?

470
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 2: The Young Lords they sat down with some doctors at

471
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 2: Metropolitan Hospital in Harlem and they drafted a ten point

472
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 2: health program because of course it had to be a

473
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 2: ten point health program because they only have two naming

474
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 2: conventions in the Young Lord which is one is the

475
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 2: ten point or whatever number point program and the other

476
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 2: one is the something offensive like the garbage offensive. Okay,

477
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 2: that's now. I love a good naming convention and there

478
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 2: have been great ones throughout history. I just so I'm

479
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 2: not trying to drag them. They just they have two

480
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,640
Speaker 2: of them in it. In the ten point program, they

481
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 2: advocate for direct democratic control of the hospital by a

482
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 2: combination of its medical staff, it's workers, and the residents

483
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:56,360
Speaker 2: of the neighborhood. No fucking notes, Like.

484
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 4: Seriously, that sounds great, let's do it.

485
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, how do we do it? Also in the ten

486
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 2: point program was like healthcare should be free? What the fuck?

487
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 2: Then they formed yet another organization, the Health Revolutionary Unity

488
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 2: movement or Hrum Hrum. I think hrum and it might

489
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 2: seem sort of odd that they may and join a

490
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 2: million organizations, but it's actually kind of an effective decentralization

491
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 2: technique that I think this is my own bias coming

492
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 2: into it. When they are more effectively decentralized is when

493
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 2: they are accomplishing more. From my point of view, that's

494
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 2: my reading of this history. They're avoiding putting themselves directly

495
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 2: into power. They're keeping power with the people, which is

496
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 2: their stated goal. And I'm under the impression that they

497
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 2: were also learning a lot about what wasn't working with

498
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 2: the Black Panthers, who also were looking at their own

499
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 2: weaknesses and trying to them up. Don't get me wrong.

500
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 2: It's also important because while this is a story about

501
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 2: how the Young Lord's won sanitation, detox facilities, a patient's

502
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 2: bill of rights, it's also a story about how the

503
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 2: young Lords, in conjunction with a huge, intersecting swath of

504
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 2: revolutionaries and like medical professionals and stuff, do so. An

505
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 2: awful lot of this health care activism was inspired by

506
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 2: the Cuban Revolution. A bunch of doctors and young lords

507
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 2: has secreted themselves to Cuba at one point or another

508
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 2: to see how to create a functioning health care system. Wow. Yeah,

509
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 2: I'm not a I'm not like a big state socialism girl,

510
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 2: but I'm also not a big capitalism girl, and socialist

511
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 2: Cuba produced a better healthcare system than the United States

512
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 2: has ever managed to do.

513
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 4: Yeah.

514
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 2: So on December fifth, nineteen sixty nine, they joined to

515
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 2: sit in at the hospital they're protesting the construction of

516
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 2: an emergency room. That I could not figure out what

517
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 2: was wrong in the emergency room was being done in

518
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 2: a bad way.

519
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 4: Okay, I don't know.

520
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 2: There's so many different times they all take over churches

521
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 2: and hospitals and shit that it was like hard. Wow. Yeah,

522
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 2: it's a good problem for your movement to have be

523
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,479
Speaker 2: like and keep track of everything they did, because they

524
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 2: did everything constantly.

525
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 4: Yeah.

526
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 2: I believe them that the er was being done in

527
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 2: a bad way and that it was worth protesting. I

528
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 2: have no everything else they've been right on about. So

529
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 2: they didn't win a dramatic change in the construction of

530
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 2: the er, but they want a sort of a side

531
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 2: demand okay, and that the hospital would now pay for

532
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 2: one of their doctors to come volunteer at their storefront

533
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 2: clinic offer immunizations. Yeah, and then there was something else

534
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 2: that they wanted to work on. They just like literally

535
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 2: worked on everything. They were focused on lead poisoning. I

536
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 2: don't know if you knew this, but lead is really bad.

537
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 4: For you, yes, especially for children.

538
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, which is why you shouldn't paint the children's

539
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 2: wing of the hospital in lead. Apparently it's like sweet

540
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 2: if you eat it, and that's why kids eat it.

541
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 2: Sophie is looking distressed by this.

542
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 4: It's trajac.

543
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 2: So lead poisoning.

544
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: It's poisoning the original like fruit flavored vape things I don't.

545
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: I don't.

546
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 2: Maybe there's lead in the current vape. Well, we get

547
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 2: sued if I make this claim allegedly.

548
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're saying you don't know, but you might know.

549
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: But it might be, but it might not be, and

550
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: that's fine.

551
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not in the UK. We can't get sued

552
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: for libel. There's probably not.

553
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: Like this podcaster is in the UK bagpot, but.

554
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 2: I'm not in the ego. Oh, I see, interesting, the

555
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 2: delicate balance we all walk, Okay, I genuinely have no

556
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 2: All I know is that vapes are unregular, right are

557
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 2: they still unregulated? I don't know about this.

558
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: I don't get pretty unregulated. But lead paint tastes sweet,

559
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: and that's why kids.

560
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 2: That is all right, I'm looking it up.

561
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: It really sped with my day. It's Monday and I'm

562
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: already like what the fuck?

563
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, lead paint has a sweet taste, which encourages children

564
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 2: to put paint chips in their mouths and chew on

565
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 2: surfaces like window sills, says University of Rochester, the top

566
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 2: Google result when I google lead paint.

567
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: I bet animals are drawn to it as well.

568
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 2: M that's why animals attack.

569
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: I thanks you violent, thanks thanks for bombing me out.

570
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 2: Magpie, You're welcome. That's the point of this ship. Wait

571
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 2: this well, let me talk about how they've stopped it.

572
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 2: Oh that's a great thing. They stopped this shit. Tell

573
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 2: me all right, So lead fucks you up. It fucks

574
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 2: up your brain, It fucks up your kidneys, It can

575
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 2: kill you. Children in poor urban areas were chok full

576
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 2: of lead. The paint had been discontinued in the nineteen forties,

577
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 2: but no one was checking poor houses housing areas to

578
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 2: make sure that, like landlords were getting rid of the

579
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 2: lead paint and shit. New York City late nineteen sixties,

580
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 2: twenty five to thirty five thousand kids were getting fucked

581
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 2: up by lead poisoning every year. Wow, and that's just

582
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: the ones who were like it was bad enough or

583
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 2: got noticed in that way. Right. Of course, one kid,

584
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 2: he was two years old, his name was Gregory Franklin.

585
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 2: He was killed by lead paint and basically since he

586
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 2: had been born, his parents had been fighting with their

587
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 2: landlord to deal with the lead paint in their house

588
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 2: to no success, and then they lost their child. So

589
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 2: the Young Lords spring into action. They what they needed

590
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 2: was a lead offensive. Yeah, I love it.

591
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 4: I know.

592
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 2: It's so good, especially lead offensive because it sounds like

593
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 2: it's going to be about machine guns. But they're still

594
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 2: unarmed except for with that particular tool that we're going

595
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 2: to get to you later.

596
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 4: OHCT.

597
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 2: The city had access to a ton of free lead

598
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 2: poisoning kits, but they weren't distributing them, or at least

599
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 2: they weren't distributed him in these areas. So during the

600
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,479
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty nine mayor all election, the Young Lords announced

601
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,479
Speaker 2: they were going to do free door to door testing

602
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 2: with these kits, which the city hadn't promised them. They

603
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 2: didn't call up the city and be like, hey, can

604
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 2: we get some kids, and then say hey, we're going

605
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 2: to do testing. They just announced the city is going

606
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 2: to give us kits call and we are going to

607
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 2: do testing. And the government was like no. So then

608
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: medical personnel and the Young Lords did a sit in

609
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 2: at the Department of Health and they walked out that

610
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 2: particular day with two hundred kids and I believe started

611
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 2: just getting kids from the city.

612
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 4: Wow.

613
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, direct action gets the fucking goods. And they went

614
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 2: door to door doing testing for lead. And it was

615
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 2: two groups. It was the Young Lords and then h

616
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 2: Rum the Health Movement and they the larger coalition that

617
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 2: they're part of. And so they tracked who they who

618
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: needed treatment, and the doctors with them made referrals. So

619
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 2: they go around and be like Young Lords and doctors

620
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 2: working together. Over thirty percent of the kids that they

621
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 2: tested tested positive for let exposure. And so then they

622
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 2: would sit down and talk with people about their rights

623
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 2: and about how to go about and try and get

624
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: justice and try and get health health needs taken care of.

625
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 2: And they did this once a week. One source says

626
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: they did every Saturday. One source they says they did

627
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 2: it every Tuesday, because why would history agree with itself.

628
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 2: I mean the answer is because it was a bunch

629
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 2: of humans, and humans don't remember shit from forty years ago,

630
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 2: very clearly. Yeah yeah yeah at the time.

631
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 4: Way, yeah, they were doing it once a week and.

632
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, get I mean to cut you off. I'm

633
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 2: sorry saying oh yeah, that's all.

634
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 4: That's all I was saying. It's a great It's like

635
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 4: an incredible thing to do with your time.

636
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.

637
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 6: Yeah.

638
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 2: It's like even it's like it's like volunteerism or whatever, right,

639
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 2: but it's like fucking direct action. You're going around and

640
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: helping people and like you're getting to know your neighbors

641
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 2: and like they's just like not a downside, yeah, you know.

642
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 2: And so they publicized what they found and it became

643
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: a scandal for the city who had refused to take

644
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 2: had refused to give them the tests, you know. So

645
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 2: within within months, the city changed its housing codes, stepped

646
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 2: up testing, founded the Bureau of Lead Poisoning Control. I

647
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 2: think basically because they were like, if you tell the city, like,

648
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 2: if you don't take care of people, the socialists will

649
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 2: the cities Like, maybe we should take care of the people. Yeah,

650
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 2: much like you will be taken care of by Uh,

651
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 2: let's go with a positive sponsor again, old stand by turtles.

652
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 2: Turtles are really cute. You want to be sponsored by

653
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Speaker 2: the cute little turtles that.

654
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Speaker 4: Live free, that live free like in the wild.

655
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, why not, Like we're just we're thinking about good

656
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 2: sponsors to do little ads for.

657
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 4: I'm a fan of turtles. I love how they live

658
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,439
Speaker 4: for a very long time. Yeah, you should probably listen

659
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 4: to them more.

660
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, respect your elder turtles. Yeah that is this is

661
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 2: an ad for respecting your elder turtlesh you should listen

662
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 2: to the Methuselah turtles in your life and then whatever

663
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 2: else these other ads are. We didn't approve of their

664
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 2: an accident. I hope it's all turtle ads. Okay, we're back.

665
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: My favorite turtle fact I learned is that box turtles

666
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 2: stay within a mile or so of where they were

667
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 2: born their whole life. Oh wow, that was wanted from

668
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 2: that ad. Just now about turtles that we are heard?

669
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 4: Oh yeah I didn't. I didn't hear that. Just local

670
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 4: little guys.

671
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, keep it local like a yeah, all right, so

672
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 2: let's talk about and they take over church, I mean

673
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 2: around that time they keep working on survival programs too,

674
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 2: which is what they call the like you know, breakfast

675
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 2: program and stuff like that. Right, but they wanted to

676
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 2: do more and they needed another base of operations. And

677
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 2: also their friend and the Black panther Fred Hampton, had

678
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 2: just been murdered in Chicago by the police. So wow,

679
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 2: they were looking for a place that they could operate

680
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 2: that the police probably wouldn't storm in a hail of gunfire. Okay,

681
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 2: So they wanted a.

682
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 4: Church reliant by the way, I know, and I feel

683
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 4: like I always wondered why the church And that's like

684
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 4: a very great point. Yeah, practical point.

685
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it also is that Like, Okay, so their Marxist

686
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 2: Leninist organization right ostensibly and practically, but they're clearly doing

687
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 2: their own thing. They're things their own way and in

688
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 2: their own context. So they're not an atheist organization like

689
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: Marxist Lenism is like supposed to be. Right, some of

690
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 2: them are atheists, some of them or not. The Christian

691
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 2: Church was criticized regularly by the Young Lords for being

692
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 2: an instrument of colonization, completely accurate, but at the same time,

693
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 2: they used Christ as a man of the people a

694
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 2: lot in their propaganda.

695
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 4: Oh I like it, I like it.

696
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had posters. I really want one. They had

697
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 2: posters of Jesus with an AK forty seven slung around

698
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 2: his shoulder.

699
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 4: Wait, what do we get that? I'm like immediately on

700
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 4: the ubay.

701
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 2: I know, anybody who's listening, if you have access to

702
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 2: these posters, please send them to me and Alinda seriously.

703
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 2: And I think that some of the radical Catholics are

704
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 2: rolling with them at this point. You can hear more

705
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 2: about the passifist radical Catholics in our episode the passifist

706
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 2: Radical The ones who are rolling with the Young Lords

707
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 2: probably aren't pacist, but I'm not sure. You can hear

708
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 2: more about them in our episode about the Burglars versus

709
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: the FBI that came out recently. So the Young Lords

710
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 2: they're looking for this new base and they go to

711
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 2: a Spanish church in Harlem and they're like, hey, can

712
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: me use your space? But the priest at East Harlem's

713
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 2: first Spanish United Methodist church didn't want to let them

714
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 2: feed kids there. He was a refugee from Castor's Cuba

715
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 2: and he was not super lefty. It's a way that

716
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 2: one could say that. So they went four more times

717
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 2: to Sunday Mass, and they would participate in mass, I believe, respectfully,

718
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 2: but then they would also like speak up and be like,

719
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 2: let us feed kids here. Each time the priest was like, no,

720
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 2: you can't do that. So then they go, I think

721
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: it's time number five, but I'm not entirely sure, And

722
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 2: a young lord tries to speak at the service, and

723
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 2: an undercover cop pops up to arrest him because the

724
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 2: priest had set up a sting to arrest the young

725
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:48,919
Speaker 2: lord's during mass. So yick, I know, so a brawl

726
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 2: broke out. Because a brawl broke out between cops and

727
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 2: lords in the house of the lord, Thirteen young lords,

728
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 2: eight men and five women were arrested and five more hospitalized.

729
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 2: Oh wow. Religious civil rights leaders came out against the

730
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 2: church for having set up a sting to arrest the

731
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 2: lord the lords at mass. So the young Lords gave up,

732
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 2: went home, disbanded their organism. No, it stiffened the resolve

733
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 2: to use the church, and it also turned more of

734
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 2: the congregation into supporters of the young lord's request to

735
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 2: use the space. The congregation of the church was fairly split,

736
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 2: and more of the younger congregants were like fuck yeah,

737
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 2: the Young Lord's rule, and more of the older congregants

738
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 2: were like, the Young Lord's drool totally how they phrased it.

739
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 2: And so the next Sunday, five hundred supporters for the

740
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 2: Young Lords waited outside. The Young Lords met with the

741
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 2: church board, who started off the conversation by saying racist

742
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 2: shit against Puerto Ricans. That's the other like background context

743
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 2: to a lot of this, right, It's not just like

744
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 2: people being like I have slightly more conservative economic values

745
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 2: than you, and I don't think it's a good way

746
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 2: to help people grow up. No, they're like you, I'm

747
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 2: not gonna say it how they would say it. You

748
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 2: lazy Puerto Ricans have no work ethic and that's why

749
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 2: you're all poor and you blow all your welfare money

750
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 2: on beer. These are some of the my paraphrasing of

751
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: what they've said, you know.

752
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.

753
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 2: Also that it was disrespectful for the Afro Puerto Ricans

754
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 2: to have to wear their hair and Afros was another thing.

755
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 2: The priests were like, we don't like your haircut.

756
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 4: Wow, way did go out of your Like you're laying

757
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 4: by the way, literally, no one's asking you about people's hair.

758
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,240
Speaker 4: But cool, you're supposed to be talking about Jesus and stuff.

759
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Famous, if no one asked you. Famous hates people

760
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 2: for their haircut. Jesus maybe he doesn't like frosted tips.

761
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I've never asked him about tins. But

762
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: so for two more weeks they keep going to Sunday

763
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 2: mass So this is like two months now, right. Then

764
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 2: the third week after they've been beaten by cops, it's

765
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 2: December twenty eighth, nineteen sixty nine, they go to a

766
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 2: Sunday service and then they nail the doors shut, lock

767
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 2: themselves inside, and they basically take the university takeover strategy

768
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 2: to the community. And if you remember, this isn't the

769
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 2: first time the Young Lads, the Young Lords in Chicago

770
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 2: took over a church as well, right, but it certainly

771
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 2: gets presented that they're drawing more from their experiences during

772
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 2: the Columbia University takeover, which is when Columbia University students

773
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 2: led by led by black students took over much of

774
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 2: the university, which if you want to hear more about,

775
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 2: listen to our episode about Up against the Wall Motherfuckers,

776
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 2: the which I think we just called up against the

777
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 2: Wall in the title because we're not allowed to cuss

778
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 2: on the title.

779
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 4: Oh.

780
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: I like that this entire podcast has turned into an

781
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: ad for other episodes of our podcast.

782
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 2: I like to see it as weaving the web of history,

783
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 2: but it's also yeah, it's also just yeah, you know,

784
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 2: if you want more context. They didn't take hostages. They

785
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 2: let anyone out who wanted to leave. They held a

786
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 2: press conference and they said that their demand was the

787
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 2: ability to run a food program out of the church.

788
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: And they couched it all in religious language, but without lying.

789
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 2: They were like, they weren't like, oh, Christianity's perfect in

790
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 2: every way and they're doing it wrong. They're like, look,

791
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 2: Christianity became a religion of colonization, but Jesus himself was

792
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 2: a man of the people. Because that's their line, right,

793
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 2: and they echo liberation theology stuff which you can hear

794
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 2: more about in our episodes about Chico Mendez in the

795
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 2: Fight for the Rainforest. Now, I'm just gonna do it

796
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 2: to make Sophie shake her head. The mayor, this is

797
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: like one of my favorite details of this whole thing.

798
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 2: So the mayor has a Puerto Rican aid, like a

799
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 2: guy who's his point of contact with the Puerto Rican community. Okay,

800
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 2: his name is Arnie Segata.

801
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, wait, like my I utilizing that's my uncle.

802
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 2: Wait is it your uncle?

803
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 4: No? I have no idea who Ernie is. But Arnie

804
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 4: related Arnie, Arnie, we're related though.

805
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, Arnie Segata, it's spelled the same way. I had

806
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 2: to just double check. I had to look up your

807
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 2: own I had to look up your last name. I

808
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 2: remember I was spelling it right in my head because

809
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 2: I'm like not very good at the double rold ours thing,

810
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 2: and so I was like, oh, maybe anyway, so your

811
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 2: uncle Arnie.

812
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 4: Oh god does he suck? I'm worried about.

813
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 2: No, he's great.

814
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 4: Oh good, good, good, you come from Arnie. Let's go,

815
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 4: let's go.

816
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: Uh.

817
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 2: So he started off not great because he's the mayor's guy.

818
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 2: He gets sent he's the token guy. You guess he

819
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 2: used to quell unrest in Puerto Rican neighborhoods. He was

820
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 2: probably on the ground during the trash burning being like

821
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 2: everyone cal him down. So the Mayor's like, here, go in,

822
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 2: and he has this like backpack telephone, this like radio

823
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 2: like military fucking telephone, you know.

824
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 4: Wow.

825
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 2: Forty minutes later, the Mayor's office is like radios and

826
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 2: it's like, what the fuck, where are you? What's happening?

827
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 2: And Arnie is like, I think they're right, and I'm

828
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 2: staying with them. Oh God, and he gets fired and

829
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 2: he stays Arnie, Yeah.

830
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 4: My man, I gotta kind of like look this guy

831
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 4: up on the internet right now.

832
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 2: So they renamed the place the People's Church, and the

833
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 2: community pours in to discuss what to do about all

834
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 2: kinds of shit like evictions to lack of interpretation services

835
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:45,280
Speaker 2: at school meetings, and it was called the Church Offensive.

836
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 4: Wow.

837
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 2: I really hope that at some point a young lord

838
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 2: became a youth pastor, sat down backwards on a folding

839
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 2: chair and said, you know who else had a ten

840
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,479
Speaker 2: point program and then talked about the ten Commandments. That's

841
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: what I hope. So they ran a medical clinic there

842
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 2: because of course they did, staffed by all their doctor comrades,

843
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 2: and they ran their breakfast program plus free community meals

844
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 2: every evening for everyone, and so it's like all of

845
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 2: these different people from the community coming and bringing in

846
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 2: food and sharing it with everyone. It's fucking utopian, like

847
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 2: just frankly, yeah, yeah. They taught classes on Puerto Rican

848
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 2: and black history. They set up a loud speaker facing

849
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 2: the street that played speeches for Malcolm X and shit

850
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 2: alongside Puerto Rican music.

851
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 4: Wow.

852
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 2: The Young Lords generally didn't carry weapons, and when they

853
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 2: needed security they Okay, I want you you both get

854
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 2: a guess again. So if you can't look at the script,

855
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 2: I'm not guess what their weapon was. The flail wasn't correct,

856
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 2: the battle axe was incorrect. I'll give you a hint. Turtles,

857
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 2: what do.

858
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:06,919
Speaker 4: You a shell? Like? Wait, how there's there's like they're

859
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 4: out throwing shells.

860
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 2: No, they have nun chucks.

861
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 1: Ah, oh my, I'm so sorry.

862
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 4: Yeah.

863
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 2: Sorry, So they carry nunchucks as theirs their weapons of choice,

864
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 2: which is I mean, like frankly like, it's a scary

865
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 2: weapon to carry, but it's like not a you know,

866
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 2: it's not a like kill you weapon.

867
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

868
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 2: But if someone walks up to me and they're like

869
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 2: kind of scary anyway and they have a breton and

870
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 2: they're carrying nunchucks, like I don't want to fuck with them.

871
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 4: Absolutely not. This is like also the most New York

872
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 4: thing ever, by the way, Oh yeah, because you know

873
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 4: it's just like I mean, it just is in the

874
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 4: way that it's this like.

875
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 2: Cross cultural like oh my god, you're right.

876
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,280
Speaker 4: Moment, you know. I mean, I'm sure this was coming

877
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 4: out of like at the time Kung Fu movies were huge. Yeah,

878
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 4: you know, like this is just oh really yeah, it's

879
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 4: just the most New York image in my mind.

880
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

881
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:18,280
Speaker 4: Totally also very warriors energy.

882
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally totally. Which is I mean, that's their roots, right,

883
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 2: It's like they're a crazy gang that wants to realize

884
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 2: that there's more of them than there are cops in

885
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 2: this town. So white supporters use their whiteness to pass

886
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 2: through police lines and deliver supplies.

887
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:37,240
Speaker 4: Oh wow.

888
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 2: And the young lords made sure that no one did

889
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 2: any desecrating of the church, and they kept the altar

890
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 2: and everything intact. They actually even kept Sunday services and

891
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 2: like the regular congregation was able to come in and

892
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 2: use the church on Sunday even during their occupation, although

893
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 2: only the younger congregants came. Right, the people don't like

894
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 2: them aren't going to show up, and they held festivals

895
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 2: of the oppressed with Puerto Rican music, with poets and

896
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 2: musicians and writers and artists. I read something that claimed

897
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 2: this is the kind of thing that I feel like

898
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 2: a lot of places might claim origin to that the

899
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 2: spoken word poetry jam, like the whole concept of the

900
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 2: spoken word poetry jam, yeah, was developed here. I believe it,

901
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 2: and if so, this is one of the foundations of

902
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 2: hip hop.

903
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:26,280
Speaker 4: Yeah.

904
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,959
Speaker 2: It's also where the poet Pedro Pietry gave his first

905
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 2: public reading of his poem Puerto Rican Obituary.

906
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 4: Which is featured in my song Ballante. Yeah, and there's

907
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 4: incredible footage of him reading it, I think for the

908
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 4: first time on YouTube that you guys should check out

909
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 4: because it's very moving.

910
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a even if you're like not a

911
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 2: poetry girl, you should go and listen to this.

912
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 5: Yeah.

913
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, very much street poetry. You're not going to cringe.

914
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 4: It's not like Predicatre Louie Slam yet, you know, it's

915
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 4: very I remember reading that that poem for the first

916
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 4: time when I was in high school in an anthology

917
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 4: of called like the Outlaws Anthology of Poetry or something,

918
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 4: and reading that poem really was the first time I

919
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 4: ever saw pernercan NICs be like so talked about in

920
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 4: such a real way, in a way that was like

921
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 4: a Mickey Mouse way.

922
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 2: You know, I believe you, but tell me more, what's

923
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 2: the Mickey Mouse way?

924
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 4: Like the way that we were portrayed in media when

925
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 4: I was growing up, which was very like docile and

926
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:42,240
Speaker 4: fun and like it was very j lo very Ricky Martin.

927
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 4: That was like what I grew up with. And also

928
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 4: like literally West Side Story being something that's like, oh, well,

929
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 4: you can see us featured in such recent movie as

930
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 4: this West Side Story, and it's like nineteen ninety eight,

931
00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 4: why is this the last reference that I have? Yeah,

932
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 4: So it was just very much you know, I was

933
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 4: hanging out in the Lower east Side and Tomkins Square

934
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 4: Park and stuff and for the first time being like,

935
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 4: oh my god, the problems that I'm seeing in society

936
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 4: now were happening then, and people like me, we're talking

937
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 4: about it and we're experiencing it, and this is like

938
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 4: a poem that's expressing that angst, you know. Yeah, so

939
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 4: it was a very powerful moment for me.

940
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

941
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 1: Yeah.

942
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 2: The first time I heard it was in your song.

943
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 2: And then when I like I was reading about this,

944
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 2: I was like oh, because I was just all yeah,

945
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 2: and all the connections. So I want to quote about

946
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 2: this takeover just to keep telling met how fucking cool

947
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 2: it is. From the best book on this history that

948
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 2: I found was called The Young Lord is called The

949
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 2: Young Lords by Johanna Fernandez. Cool quote. Immediately, local grandmothers

950
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 2: began delivering pots of food to the Puerto Rican radicals

951
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 2: through church windows, while a feelanx of National Lawyer's Guild

952
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 2: attorneys on site and then the church's periphery filed court

953
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 2: injunctions and reminded judges and police of the barricaded radicals

954
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 2: constitutionally protected right to protest teetering between sacrilege and righteousness.

955
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 2: The Young Lord's unfolding drama was captured by TV cameras

956
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 2: parked in the out parked in and outside of the

957
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 2: House of Warship. And yeah, because of the National Lawyer's Guild.

958
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 2: Shout out to the National Lawyer's Guild who were also

959
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 2: still around and doing amazing things, the fight to evict

960
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 2: them was held in the courts rather than just like

961
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 2: storming the place. Because you hear about this and you're

962
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 2: kind of like, well, why didn't they just like storm it, right,

963
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 2: And the answer is, oh, yeah, they took it to court.

964
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 2: And their strategy, which is probably never gonna win or whatever. Yeah,

965
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 2: their strategy was basically a Methodist church is mandated to

966
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 2: help people, and that's what we're doing. And this stalled

967
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 2: their eviction, but not for all that long. I think

968
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 2: it's thirteen days. Maybe in the end. On January seventh,

969
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy, the occupants gave themselves up into police custody

970
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 2: walking out of the church. Some of them were singing,

971
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 2: some of them had their fists raised in silence. When

972
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 2: presented before a judge, each one corrected the judge the

973
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 2: judge's pronunciation of their name, saying their own names in

974
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 2: Spanish instead of English, which is such a good fuck

975
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:18,399
Speaker 2: you don't They didn't win the use of the church.

976
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 2: The church promised to run a daycare center and a

977
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 2: drug detoc center, but it never did. But they they

978
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 2: won yet again. The government's shamed into action. Just as importantly,

979
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,479
Speaker 2: their power is growing, and we're going to talk about

980
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 2: what they did with their growing power on Wednesday in

981
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 2: the final part of this four part epic.

982
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 4: I want it to end.

983
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 2: Well, when we come back, we're going to see them

984
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 2: overthrow capitalism and no, I'm just kidding it cointel repression

985
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 2: and internal conflict fuel by authoritarian structure and going to

986
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 2: fuck them up. But their legacy will live on and

987
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 2: when we come back, they're going to take over a

988
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 2: fucking hospital.

989
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, was gonn say Linded? Do you know what

990
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: else is based? You're pluggables? My what you're pluggables? Anything

991
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: that you.

992
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 4: Well, you can find me on all of the social media's,

993
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 4: uh some of them terrify me more than others. But

994
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 4: I'm on Instagram as hooray for the riff raff that

995
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 4: spelled with a U h u r r a y

996
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,240
Speaker 4: for the riff raff on Twitter and all the other ones,

997
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 4: and I'll be on tour this summer on the West

998
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 4: Coast and also through the Midwest in July.

999
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, magpie, anything you want to plug.

1000
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 2: My other podcasts, Live Like the World Is Dying has

1001
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Speaker 2: gone weekly, So if you're like, how am I going

1002
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Speaker 2: to make it till Monday? You can listen to me

1003
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Speaker 2: or one of my other co hosts on Friday by

1004
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 2: listening to Live Like the World Is Dying. And I'm

1005
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 2: on social media even though I hate it are so

1006
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 2: if you want to participate in either everyone feeling bad

1007
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,439
Speaker 2: about themselves been trying to perform coolness, you can see

1008
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 2: me on Instagram at Margaret Kiljoy or if you want

1009
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 2: to have bad faith arguments with people making bad faith

1010
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 2: arguments about you and watch the Left of Hour itself.

1011
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 2: You can find me on Twitter at Magpie Killjoy. Sophie,

1012
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 2: what do you got? What do you want to plug?

1013
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,240
Speaker 1: Ah? My beautiful friend Jimmy Loftus has a book coming

1014
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Speaker 1: out and it is available for pre order right now.

1015
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Speaker 1: It is called Raw Dog. If you go to any

1016
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Speaker 1: of Jamie's social media's you can find a link to

1017
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Speaker 1: pre order or request it at your local library.

1018
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Speaker 2: It's probably worth pointing out that it's about hot dogs.

1019
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 2: Oh yep, we'll see you Wednesday. They Hello, I'm out

1020
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,240
Speaker 2: of jokes to start episodes with. This is cool People

1021
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 2: did cool stuff, which kind of sounds like a joke

1022
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 2: name for a podcast anyway, but I rather like it.

1023
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 2: I'm your host, Margaret Kilday with me today on this

1024
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Speaker 2: Journey is a Linda Segata.

1025
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 4: How are you doing good? I just said a snack?

1026
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, and you're an hour wiser than last time?

1027
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Speaker 4: Yeah, totally.

1028
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 2: Our producer is Sophie. Sophie, how are you?

1029
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Speaker 4: How are you? Yeah?

1030
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1031
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel that as somebody who also is on anbiotics. Yeah.

1032
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1033
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1034
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Speaker 1: Week I couldn't hear out of my right ear.

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Speaker 2: This week I mostly can.

1036
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Speaker 1: It's great.

1037
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

1038
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Speaker 2: To be clear, I don't believe either of us are

1039
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Speaker 2: in fish antibiotics, and I do not recommend them anyway.

1040
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,280
Speaker 2: That's not even for legal reasons. I just feel guilty

1041
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 2: when I accidentally make a joke about bad advice. Our

1042
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 2: audio engineers Ian Hi Ian. Everyone say hi Ian, that

1043
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 2: being including you listening to your headphones in a public place.

1044
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 2: I want you to say hi Ian. God hates a coward.

1045
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 2: Say it all right. Ian. You're exempt from having to

1046
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 2: say hi Ian unless you want to. Our music was

1047
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 2: written for us by young woman, and today we're talking

1048
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 2: about the Young Lords, the Puerto Rican socialist organization that

1049
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:31,879
Speaker 2: is kicking ass and taking names in New York City.

1050
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 2: In nineteen sixty nine, nineteen seventy, they've just taken over

1051
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 2: a Methodist church and turned it into the People's Church

1052
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 2: for eleven days, which I said thirteen last time because

1053
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 2: I wasn't looking at the script and I was coming

1054
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 2: up with numbers and I came up with the wrong one.

1055
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 4: They got a lot done for eleven days.

1056
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 2: I know, there's like multiple festivals of the oppressed that

1057
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 2: they managed to throw on eleven days.

1058
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 4: Totally.

1059
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 2: Could you imagine, like I would take more than eleven

1060
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 2: days to organize a festival the oppressed right now?

1061
00:56:58,360 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 3: Uh?

1062
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, totally, Like all right, we're getting ready for

1063
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 2: twenty twenty fives festivally oppressed.

1064
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 4: Totally.

1065
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 2: Everyone got to check their schedules. So this action got

1066
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 2: them national attention and support, and their membership soared especially

1067
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 2: and it brought in again more women. More than six

1068
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 2: hundred new members came on. And this is an official

1069
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 2: membership organization as compared to some other things. Right, Okay,

1070
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 2: they would take Puerto Rican people, and they would take

1071
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 2: both non Puerto Rican black people and non Puerto Rican

1072
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 2: LATINX folks from their neighborhoods. Overall, they skewed demographically Afro

1073
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 2: Puerto Rican and English speaking at this point, so value

1074
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 2: judgment and that that's just what their demographics were. Yeah,

1075
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 2: I think it. Whatever. They'd already opened a Newark, New

1076
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 2: Jersey chapter by this point, and soon they opened some

1077
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 2: in the South Bronx Bridgeport, Connecticut, Boston, the Lower East Side,

1078
00:57:55,400 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 2: and Philly. They lived communally. They ate free meal at

1079
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 2: dining halls. They had a whole building. Now oh wow, Yeah,

1080
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 2: women and men live together and organized together and threw

1081
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 2: down together. And the women worked hard to fight chauvinism

1082
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 2: in the movement. They would specifically, this is the thing

1083
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 2: I didn't know to I researched this. They would call

1084
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 2: people out as male Chauvenes's pigs. And it's one of

1085
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Speaker 2: the first uses of that phrase, male Chauvenes's pig. And

1086
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 2: something I hadn't realized is that the men men are pigs.

1087
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 2: Rhetoric within feminism doesn't come out of calling men animals.

1088
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 2: Like it's not directly calling them the pig, the animal.

1089
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 2: It's that since the Black Panthers has started calling cops pigs,

1090
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 2: they're calling men cops, right wow.

1091
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they're saying you're being a cop right now? Yeah,

1092
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 4: Like that makes a lot more. It's just like it

1093
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 4: rings it rings well with me.

1094
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, be like, you are the oppressor right now, you

1095
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 2: are passing, and it probably fucking stung more. Than being

1096
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 2: like because when you call men pigs, you're like, oh,

1097
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 2: you're a pig, You're you're gross and being overly sexual

1098
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 2: or whatever. Men are often like, yeah, I am, that's

1099
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 2: just the way we are.

1100
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 5: Baby, totally right, broachew.

1101
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 2: As compared to being like you are acting like a

1102
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 2: police officer, yeah, you know, which is not a nice

1103
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 2: thing to be called. And that helps get men get

1104
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 2: their shit together, as does a woman's caucus, as does

1105
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 2: an action that did not come up with my research,

1106
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 2: but you brought up Okay, but.

1107
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 4: Then I couldn't. I researched it online. I couldn't find

1108
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 4: it online.

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00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 2: But I found a little bit claiming you did. Yeah,

1110
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 2: but only a little bit, like only a single reference,

1111
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 2: So you should say what you learned, Okay.

1112
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 4: I land this when I went to the Bronx Museum

1113
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 4: and they had an exhibit all about the Young Lords,

1114
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:01,959
Speaker 4: and it was written in the paper that the women

1115
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 4: had gotten together and they decided if their demands would

1116
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 4: not be met where they were able to carry firearms.

1117
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 4: Although you're saying that they didn't really care well.

1118
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 2: Some people, so I know, I know, it's like it's messy.

1119
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 2: I think that they must have sometimes or something, but okay.

1120
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 4: And be treated as comrades instead of servants, and you know,

1121
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 4: like the way that traditionally their families taught them to

1122
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 4: treat women. There would be a sex strike. And you

1123
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 4: know this is also acting as if like the majority

1124
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 4: were straight, but that men would not be able to

1125
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 4: receive sex anymore from women until they got their shit together.

1126
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably effective, I think is really cool.

1127
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I don't know if if it went down

1128
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 6: for a long time or if it was put into effect,

1129
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 6: but it was definitely printed in the paper.

1130
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 4: It was definitely like warm, You've been warmed, is how

1131
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 4: it seemed in the paper.

1132
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 2: So the thing I ran across when I when I

1133
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 2: did more research after you told me this is that

1134
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 2: I ran across like one line that was like, in

1135
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy the women had a sex strike. Okay, but

1136
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 2: I I don't entirely know. And actually it's interesting. I

1137
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 2: would trust well, I would trust Polente more than I

1138
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 2: would trust a random article that I read, yeah something,

1139
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 2: or even of history book. And so the thing about

1140
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 2: firearms is really interesting me because I there is going

1141
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 2: to be a point in the script when they kind

1142
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 2: of take up arms, right and all these other times

1143
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 2: they're like rolling around in nun trucks. But I bet

1144
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 2: you that there were times in which they were armed

1145
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 2: and that just wasn't like fitting the narrative of the

1146
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 2: way that people want to talk about things, and like,

1147
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 2: so I don't know, you know.

1148
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 4: Or perhaps it was like education and how to use firearms. Yeah,

1149
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 4: might have been the vibe. Like, so I learned that

1150
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 4: from when I went to the museum. But a lot

1151
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 4: of what I've learned is from a book called Ballante

1152
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 4: that I encourage people to get. It's I have here,

1153
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 4: no one's going to see. It's called Voices and Photographs

1154
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 4: of the Young Lords, and it's a lot of interviews

1155
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 4: and also like little you know, essays that were written

1156
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 4: in the newspaper. So cool. And one of the things

1157
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 4: that I read was talking about how they believed that

1158
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 4: how women members wanted to learn how to use firearms

1159
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 4: and not be treated like they weren't warriors.

1160
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, makes a lot of sense. Yeah, So so they're

1161
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 2: doing all this after the church, their numbers were up.

1162
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 2: Their numbers became about thirty five to forty percent women,

1163
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 2: and there were numerous openly gay members, and gay members

1164
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 2: had their own Caucus as well. The Black Panthers paved

1165
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 2: their way on that one, openly stating their allegiance with

1166
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 2: the gay rights movement and specifically the Gay Liberation Front

1167
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 2: that had grown out of the Stonewall Uprising, which yes,

1168
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 2: you can hear about on our episode about the Stonewall Uprising.

1169
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 2: And in fact, the Young Lords provided a personal to

1170
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 2: Sylvia Rivera, the transit, one of the trans heroes from Stonewall,

1171
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 2: when she was facing death threats. And this is.

1172
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 4: Also half Puerto Rican. Oh yeah, it's right, just wanted

1173
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 4: to give her a shout out.

1174
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 2: No, yeah, fucking totally and like and so I will

1175
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 2: say that many Young Lords refused the assignment because they

1176
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 2: like were transphobic and didn't understand what the fuck was

1177
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 2: up and they were like freaked out, there's still a

1178
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 2: long way to go. But other ones accepted it and

1179
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 2: were Sylvia Rivera's personal bodyguard, were Young Lords, and that

1180
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 2: fucking rules. Yeah, people with jobs gave up more than

1181
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 2: half their salaries for the group. Because it sounds a

1182
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 2: little bit culty at this point, No one. My theory is,

1183
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 2: no one ever gets anything done without getting a little

1184
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 2: bit close to the cult line. You shouldn't cross the

1185
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 2: cult line, you know. But if the cult line isn't

1186
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 2: even in sight, you might not be creating a community.

1187
01:03:59,000 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 2: It's real messy.

1188
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 4: Ah, interesting, Okay.

1189
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 2: One of the cultier things that they did is they

1190
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 2: did that maoist self criticism thing where you're supposed to

1191
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 2: like stand up and say all the stuff you did

1192
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 2: wrong to the whole crowd.

1193
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 4: Oh, I've never heard of this before.

1194
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 2: It's it was a big part of like like the

1195
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 2: cultural revolution in China, which I don't know as much

1196
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 2: about as I would like to this like MAOIs self

1197
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 2: criticism thing. And what's interesting actually, if you listen to

1198
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 2: the podcast Behind the Bastards, they talk about a lot

1199
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 2: of cults and one of the things that comes up

1200
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 2: a lot is not MAOIs self criticism. But is this

1201
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 2: like stand up at a circle and admit why you're

1202
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 2: like bad and fall apart from like the group's rules

1203
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 2: or whatever. Is like a way you encourage group thinking,

1204
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 2: and it is, from my point of view bad.

1205
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1206
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, And anyone who failed to do this was called

1207
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 2: a liberal. This is something that like I feel like

1208
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 2: liberals don't quite always realize, is that, like the left

1209
01:04:55,560 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 2: wing also calls liberals liberals in a negative way, you know. Yeah,

1210
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 2: Like every now and then I'll say something's like liberal

1211
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 2: and people like fuck you, right winger, and I'm like, what. Oh,

1212
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 2: it's during this period of growth that you start seeing

1213
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 2: the cracks that are later going to fuck it up,

1214
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 2: at least by the convenient narrative that I'm drawing and

1215
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 2: have read in other sources. The New York Lords were

1216
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 2: given full autonomy by the quote Central Committee of Chicago, right,

1217
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 2: because it still had started in Chicago, even it's bigger

1218
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 2: in New York. But New York is pretty sure that

1219
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 2: they should be the central committee, and that the chapter

1220
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:37,479
Speaker 2: shouldn't shouldn't have full autonomy, that the New York Chapter

1221
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 2: should be in charge of all the other chapters, and

1222
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 2: that more discipline was needed. And also the Chicago newspaper

1223
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 2: wasn't coming out regularly enough. What are you all doing?

1224
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 2: You better get on that. H So the New York

1225
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 2: Chapter starts getting kind of controlling, and then another thing

1226
01:05:56,200 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 2: to understand about their politics, and I try to avoid, like,

1227
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 2: let's talk about Marx right, But along with the Black Panthers,

1228
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 2: the Young Lords were a break from traditional Marxism in

1229
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 2: that they identified the lump and proletariat as the revolutionary subject,

1230
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 2: which means that I have to break down really quickly

1231
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 2: Marx's ideas about classes, in which you have the proletariat,

1232
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 2: who are industrial workers in the city. They all and

1233
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 2: Marx thinks that these are the beasneys, They're the best.

1234
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 2: Everyone else sucks according to Marx. Right, then you got

1235
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 2: the bourgeoisie, a class whom no one who is alive

1236
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 2: can spell correctly. And yeah they are I still bow ergy.

1237
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:40,959
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I thank you spell track.

1238
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it took me a very long time to

1239
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 2: wrap my head around hierarchy.

1240
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 1: More importantly, thanks talk to speek, talk to text speech

1241
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 1: apps for words you kids spell. Oh that's clever, bouge

1242
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 1: wisi even think about it.

1243
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 2: The bourgeoisie are the owning class. They don't work for

1244
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 2: a living. This is their distinguishing characteristic. Instead, they own

1245
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:10,439
Speaker 2: stuff for a living. Definition of capitalism in this case

1246
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 2: being roughly the access to capital being how you make

1247
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 2: money rather than work. Right. And then you've got two

1248
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 2: other weird classes. You have the petty bourgeoisie, who are

1249
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 2: like the small business owners. They're not running the show,

1250
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 2: but their relationship to capital is different from that of

1251
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 2: a worker. Marxists generally don't like them, and then you

1252
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 2: have the lump and proletariat, who are objectively the coolest.

1253
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 2: Marx does not agree by this. With this, these are

1254
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 2: the unemployed and the thieves and the beggars, and the

1255
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 2: people whose work is illegal, like sex workers, the criminal class,

1256
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 2: and Marx doesn't like them, right, But the Young Lords

1257
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 2: and the Black Panthers do. Personally. I like to think

1258
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 2: that Marx's classes are like he's writing a role playing game.

1259
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 2: Instead of paladins and wizards, you have petty bourgeoisie and

1260
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 2: the lump and proletariat. And so from this point of view,

1261
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 2: we clearly need everyone. Maybe not the regular boujeoissa, I

1262
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 2: don't know, but you just clearly you can't have a

1263
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 2: party of only thieves. You are only wizards. Not as

1264
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 2: much fun. There's my class humanity statement of Oh god. Anyway,

1265
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 2: the Black Panthers like that lump and proletariat. The Young

1266
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 2: Lords like them. The New York Young Lords claim to

1267
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:27,599
Speaker 2: like them. But part of what they're mad at Chicago

1268
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 2: about because the Chicago clearly comes out of them. They

1269
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 2: are they come from the criminal class. The Young Lord comes.

1270
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 2: This was not a bunch of workers sitting around being like, man,

1271
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 2: I don't like how the boss is treating me. You

1272
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 2: like how the boss is treating me. It's a bunch

1273
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 2: of car thieves who are like, let's stand up against

1274
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 2: racism and try and get everyone some healthcare. Yeah, and

1275
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 2: the New York lords don't quite have it quite the

1276
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 2: same background as relates to that, and so part of

1277
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 2: why they're mad at Chicago is that Chicago is still

1278
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 2: too criminal and gang like and they're not good proper revolutionaries.

1279
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 2: So by May nineteen seventy, they sever ties from the

1280
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 2: Young Lord's Organization of Chicago and they become the Young

1281
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 2: Lord's Party. It is very likely that the split was

1282
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 2: orchestrated by co Intel Pro, the counterintelligence program of the FBI.

1283
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:21,680
Speaker 2: Oh wow, it was almost certainly encouraged by them. The

1284
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 2: disagreements existed, but co Intel Pro existed to make those

1285
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 2: disagreements grow right back in Chicago. Cha Cha is taking

1286
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 2: it hard. He was close friends with Fred Hampton, who

1287
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:39,599
Speaker 2: had just been murdered, and now he's getting told he's

1288
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 2: two gangster for the group. He turned from a gang

1289
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:47,680
Speaker 2: into an organization. But he keeps it civil. And no

1290
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 2: fights breakout between the cities. So it's a break but

1291
01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 2: it's not a war, right, Okay. But they've got all

1292
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 2: these political things brewing, there's all of these fractures that

1293
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 2: are starting to form. It doesn't stop them from doing

1294
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 2: really cool shit. One of the cool things they do

1295
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 2: is they get into a fight with a long standing

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Speaker 2: friend of the podcast Tuberculosis. For anyone who's just learning, now,

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Speaker 2: what happened when I started making this podcast is I

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01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 2: started reading a lot more history books, and I started

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Speaker 2: learning that everyone dies of tuberculosis. That's just how you

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01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 2: die everyone. If you're in a history book, you either

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01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 2: get killed by the state or you get killed by tuberculosis.

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Speaker 1: You forgot the third or your lover. What there's tuberculosis

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01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 1: the government or your lover.

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01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:50,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, totally.

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01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 1: That's the trifecta. There's no other way.

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01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 2: No, I can't see how healse I could die as

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01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 2: long as it's not some combo move.

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01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 1: Oh, you'd be living a really weird life.

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01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:07,120
Speaker 2: That is. The infiltrators like corossing into handkerchiefs.

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01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, I don't know about that government thing.

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01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:13,719
Speaker 1: That seems that seems uh not not not for cause

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01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 1: for you.

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01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I wouldn't be. You would be very far

1314
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:20,559
Speaker 2: from that. My plan is to not be killed by

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01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:22,160
Speaker 2: any of these things.

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01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 2: So, tuberculosis or TB as it's called by its friend friends,

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01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:33,240
Speaker 2: or consumption when it's out of the goth night. We

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01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 2: talked about this in our Aled Heart episode. The first

1320
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:39,679
Speaker 2: ever known transmand to receive gender affirming surgery save millions

1321
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 2: of lives by revolutionizing the way that public screening was

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01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:46,760
Speaker 2: done for tuberculosis decades before today's story, specifically by using

1323
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:51,960
Speaker 2: X rays to screen ahead of time. What is TB. Well,

1324
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 2: it's a bacterial infection. It's just around latently. Sometimes it

1325
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 2: pops up with symptoms and shit, it kills about half

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01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 2: of its victims if you actually get the symptoms those

1327
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:02,559
Speaker 2: keeping track at home, that's about a five percent mortality

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01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 2: rate overall, which is brutally high. Today we have antibiotics

1329
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 2: and no one dies of it anymore. Just kidding, it

1330
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 2: kills a lot of people still, mostly in other parts

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01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,639
Speaker 2: of the world. It killed one point five million people

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01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:17,599
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty. It is the number one deadliest infectious

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01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 2: disease after COVID nineteen. It's the number one preventable infectious disease,

1334
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 2: preventable with vaccines, treatment with antibiotics, and screening, things like that.

1335
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 2: So everyone who dies of it is murdered by capitalism

1336
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:37,240
Speaker 2: from my point of view, because you don't have to

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01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 2: die from it except for access to care. So the

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Speaker 2: Young Lords they go to war against two of the

1339
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:50,520
Speaker 2: biggest enemies of the show, capitalism and fucking tuberculosis. Let's go. Yeah,

1340
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:52,680
Speaker 2: the real problem in the poor areas of New York

1341
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:55,439
Speaker 2: City thanks to stale air and overcrowding and lack of

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01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 2: access to screening. So in addition to door to door

1343
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 2: lead poisoning to they start testing people for TB, which

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01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:05,879
Speaker 2: involves an X ray machine. So they send a petition

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01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 2: around and it gets them use of one machine, but

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01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:11,720
Speaker 2: it's a stationary machine. They want a mobile unit. They

1347
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 2: want like a van with an X ray machine in it,

1348
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 2: like the X ray van that goes around the city already,

1349
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:20,759
Speaker 2: but is inaccessible to poor people of color. One book

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01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 2: I read says it was inaccessible because it was it

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01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 2: operated from twelve to six pm and didn't accommodate working

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01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:29,680
Speaker 2: people's schedules. But the guy who stole the van, I

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01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:33,599
Speaker 2: listened to an interview with him. Oh, spoiler alert, steal

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01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 2: the van. We'll get to that.

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01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:35,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 2: It was like I was like, did we skip chapter?

1357
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:38,799
Speaker 1: What's happening.

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01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:41,680
Speaker 2: We'll get to that. The guy who steals the van

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01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 2: Later in the story, he says in an interview that

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01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 2: it was inaccessible because it only went to white neighborhoods,

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01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:50,680
Speaker 2: and that feels a little bit more truthful.

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01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 4: Once again, giving a shout out to the thief the

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01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 4: thief class.

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01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:13:56,400 --> 01:14:01,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, So on June seventeenth and nineteen seventy, they steal

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01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:04,680
Speaker 2: the van. They unfurl a Puerto Rican flag on it,

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01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:08,519
Speaker 2: and they drive it off. They tipped off the press

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01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 2: ahead of time to make sure everyone saw them steal

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01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:15,599
Speaker 2: this van. People don't do like crime like they used

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01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 2: to for better and worse. Yeah, they parked it. They

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01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 2: were really subtle. They parked it across the street from

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01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 2: their office and then announced free testing for everyone. And

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01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:32,599
Speaker 2: I think the techs who worked in the van were

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01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 2: like entirely fine with it.

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01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 4: They're just like, whow cool, this is the coolest thing

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01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 4: that's happened to me.

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01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 2: Ever, I know, like I'm so bored and now I'm

1378
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:48,880
Speaker 2: part of some like crazy shit on the news and

1379
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 2: I still just get to help people for a living here.

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01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:51,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally.

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01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 2: Within hours of stealing the van they won, the director

1382
01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 2: of health of the area agreed to let them keep

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01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:02,679
Speaker 2: the van and run it on the city's dime twelve

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01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:07,599
Speaker 2: hours a day every day. Wow. The first day they

1385
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 2: tested hundreds of people. Yeah, and around that time, well,

1386
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:17,439
Speaker 2: before we move them to the South Bronx, we should

1387
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:26,760
Speaker 2: move everyone to these killer deals about stuff, job opportunities.

1388
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 2: You could go become an Irish cup. So many options here.

1389
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:38,759
Speaker 2: Listen to these options. Don't press the forward fifteen seconds button.

1390
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:43,400
Speaker 2: That has no influence on anything from my point of view.

1391
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 2: Here's some ads, and we're back from those enlightening ads.

1392
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:54,720
Speaker 2: I try to come up with something clever, but I

1393
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 2: got nothing. So I'll just tell you about when they

1394
01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 2: moved to the South Bronx because there's yet another health

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01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 2: epidemic for them to deal with, because they really just

1396
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 2: fucking did it all. Like I can't say.

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01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:17,240
Speaker 4: Also, like the number of issues that this community was facing,

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01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 4: like as it just like really boggles my mind, being like, wow,

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01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 4: I grew up in that city. Yeah, and like these

1400
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 4: are all people like my parents' age, you know.

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01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:32,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, your parents' age, Like people like talk about lead

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01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:33,639
Speaker 2: poisoning and tuberculosis and.

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01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:38,640
Speaker 4: Streets and for sure, Yeah, and a lot of like

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01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 4: how the Bronx was burning, you know, a lot of

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01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 4: like faulty electricity and just you know, like a lot

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01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 4: of issues like that.

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01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 2: For sure, is that what that was? The Bronx burning

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01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:51,520
Speaker 2: because of faulty electricity.

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01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:54,679
Speaker 4: There was like a lot of safety hazards, but also

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01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 4: a lot of like some lords that were setting you know,

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01:16:57,479 --> 01:17:01,120
Speaker 4: just like letting, yeah, their buildings burner being the reason

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01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 4: why their buildings were burning.

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01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, So there was a lot of My family definitely

1415
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:10,919
Speaker 4: talked a lot about these issues.

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01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know whether you want to say this

1417
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:16,840
Speaker 2: in error. Is your family from East Harlem or is

1418
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 2: it from South Bronx or is.

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01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 4: It somewhere They're actually from Chelsea? Ok Yeah, they grew

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01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 4: up in the Chelsea projects. Okay, you know they were

1421
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:27,679
Speaker 4: born My dad was born and my aunt was born

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01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:29,760
Speaker 4: in Puerto Rico, but came over when they were very young.

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01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 4: My grandfather came over and was like working at first

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01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 4: and then was able to pay for everybody to come cool.

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01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I hadn't as a white outsider in New

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01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:48,639
Speaker 2: York City. I hadn't realized the degree to which Puerto

1427
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 2: Rican identity shaped the city in all different parts of

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01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:55,240
Speaker 2: the city, you know, and like the Lower east Side

1429
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 2: like doesn't even really necessarily come out much in the story,

1430
01:17:57,479 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 2: even though they had a Young Lord's had a chapter

1431
01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 2: in Lower Eastie, even though that was a Puerto Rican neighborhood,

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01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 2: you know, yeah at this point, which heavily influences all

1433
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:08,720
Speaker 2: of the like hippie culture stuff that was happening in

1434
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 2: that area.

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01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 4: Oh totally. Yeah. Like talking to my dad when I

1436
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 4: would mention like hanging out on the Lower Eastside or

1437
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:21,320
Speaker 4: Tompkins Group Park or squatting or anything, you know, to him,

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01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 4: it was just like, oh, yeah, me and my friends

1439
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 4: like did all that shit, but we were cooler.

1440
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 2: Thanks, probably he was right, like just like yeah, but.

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01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:37,720
Speaker 4: You know, you think about the New Yereekan, the new

1442
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 4: Arekan Poets Cafe, like that's in the Lower east Side still.

1443
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 4: I don't know how, but I'm so glad that it's

1444
01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 4: still with us, and that was born out of this movement,

1445
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:48,600
Speaker 4: you know.

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01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:52,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, is New York in a name of an identity

1447
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 2: for New York Puerto Ricans.

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01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:56,439
Speaker 4: Is that the yes, So a lot of the people

1449
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 4: that you're talking about, who are you know, joining the

1450
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:03,200
Speaker 4: young lords at this point, who don't speak Spanish for example,

1451
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 4: Like that would be a really great I representation of

1452
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 4: like a New Eurekan, although of course there are New

1453
01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:13,760
Speaker 4: Eurekans that do, but it's like a very specific like

1454
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:19,040
Speaker 4: doesn't have extremely strong ties to the island. Like even

1455
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:22,840
Speaker 4: my dad, who was born in Puerto Rico, felt like

1456
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 4: he wasn't Puerto Rican enough. And then also he was

1457
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:28,479
Speaker 4: an outsider in his own city. Okay, so it's like

1458
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 4: they you know, this idea that you don't quite fit

1459
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 4: into anything because you're always a little bit of an outsider.

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01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:36,880
Speaker 4: So New Eurekan was born.

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01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:40,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that makes a lot of sense to me.

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01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:45,120
Speaker 2: I feel like the diasporic identity is like this thing

1463
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 2: that often grows in New York or at least I

1464
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 2: know that, like the diasporic identity of like Jews or

1465
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:52,920
Speaker 2: Jewish people like grew in New York City in a

1466
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 2: lot of ways as an identity that was separate from

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01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 2: anything else. It was like, this is the diasporas, like

1468
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:01,920
Speaker 2: who we are. I don't know whether deasporas are ran

1469
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 2: that people use in this context or not.

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01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 4: Oh definitely, okay, yeah, yeah. And also there's a lot

1471
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:10,880
Speaker 4: of like longing for like you know, when you talked

1472
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:13,559
Speaker 4: about how the Young Words were teaching Puerto Rican history,

1473
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:16,599
Speaker 4: like that was something that was I mean, to this day,

1474
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 4: it's so hidden from anybody who is Puerto Rican or

1475
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 4: New Eurekan, Like just this feeling that you come from

1476
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:28,160
Speaker 4: a place that is so foreign to you and you

1477
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 4: want to learn about it, but it's been hidden or

1478
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:31,800
Speaker 4: kept away.

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01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's like because America has this like public

1480
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:41,880
Speaker 2: school systems has this like one monolithic educational idea of

1481
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:44,680
Speaker 2: what we teach people, you know, and it's just like,

1482
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:48,559
Speaker 2: rather than teach people Puerto Rican history, we teach people

1483
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:52,759
Speaker 2: about like Paul Revere whatever the fuck, you know. Like yeah,

1484
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:56,240
Speaker 2: and it's just interesting because like a really high percentage

1485
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:57,760
Speaker 2: of people who live in the United States are not

1486
01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:03,080
Speaker 2: descended from the Revolutionary War fighters, you know, yeah, or

1487
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 2: have at least other just whatever. Anyway, Yeah, I'm I

1488
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:10,479
Speaker 2: guess I should start a podcast where I talk about

1489
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:13,680
Speaker 2: history that hasn't talked about as much. So we want

1490
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 2: to help me do that.

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01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:19,280
Speaker 1: This entire podcast is just propaganda, and it's you just

1492
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 1: advertising for your own show, on your own show. Incredible.

1493
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:33,800
Speaker 2: Self promotion is awesome. I haven't worked the name of

1494
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:36,840
Speaker 2: my book and any of these scripts. No, I'm very

1495
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:41,639
Speaker 2: proud of that. Okay, so they've just stolen a van.

1496
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 2: That makes it very like that much happened. They just

1497
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:48,439
Speaker 2: changed the way.

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01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 4: I just love how much they like play chicken with

1499
01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:55,040
Speaker 4: the city. It's like, yeah, of course, we could go

1500
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:56,880
Speaker 4: to jail for a really long time for a grand

1501
01:21:56,960 --> 01:22:00,479
Speaker 4: theft auto or something, or maybe well, Jessica, give us

1502
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 4: what we want.

1503
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:05,360
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I can't imagine any of this working.

1504
01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:06,519
Speaker 2: Then it keeps working.

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01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, So they go to South Bronx, or rather

1506
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 5: a branch opens in the South Bronx, and I don't

1507
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 5: know how many individuals are specifically moving right, And there's

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01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 5: a problem that needs to be dealt with in South Bronx.

1509
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:24,400
Speaker 2: Heroin. The state wasn't doing a very good job of

1510
01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 2: helping people who are addicted. Instead, it criminalized people. The

1511
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:31,880
Speaker 2: South Bronx and Spring nineteen seventy had the highest heroin

1512
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 2: addiction rate in the world. Fifteen percent of people who

1513
01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 2: lived there were addicted to heroin, according to one number

1514
01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:41,800
Speaker 2: I heard. Other numbers that I heard included the South

1515
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 2: Bronx had a mortality rate fifty percent higher than the

1516
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:47,800
Speaker 2: rest of the country, syphilis and gonorrhea six and four

1517
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:52,360
Speaker 2: times the national average, and overdose was the leading cause

1518
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:54,360
Speaker 2: of death among adolescents and young adults.

1519
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:56,200
Speaker 4: Oh wow, And.

1520
01:22:56,160 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 2: This is the kind of thing that we see reflected

1521
01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 2: more later in the opioid crisis on all like wider scale. Right. So,

1522
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 2: the first thing that the young Lords did, They're like,

1523
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 2: all right, we're gonna deal with heroin addiction. That's what

1524
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:10,559
Speaker 2: our community needs. That's what we're gonna do. They got

1525
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:12,920
Speaker 2: an apartment, they cleaned it up nice, and they started

1526
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 2: screening drug users for commitment to sobriety. And then two

1527
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:18,400
Speaker 2: young lords would keep watch over They just set up

1528
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 2: a detox center just or a cold Turkey center. Really,

1529
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 2: this is their first first attempt. Two young lords would

1530
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:27,439
Speaker 2: keep watch over the detoxing people for twenty four hours

1531
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:30,280
Speaker 2: a day and help them quit cold turkey. Then each

1532
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 2: person in recovery was assigned a mentor who was available

1533
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:34,800
Speaker 2: to them twenty four hours a day for the next

1534
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 2: six months. Yeah, they also robbed drug dealers and scared

1535
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:43,520
Speaker 2: them off the block, which got the mafia mad at them,

1536
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:46,559
Speaker 2: but they somehow had enough power that they didn't get

1537
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 2: any No one got killed as a result of this

1538
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 2: that I'm aware of.

1539
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:57,639
Speaker 4: This is so wild to me. Yeah, you know, Yeah,

1540
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:00,360
Speaker 4: I keeps waiting for, like, when is some I'm gonna

1541
01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:03,840
Speaker 4: ge assassinated by one of the many powerful forces who

1542
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:05,559
Speaker 4: don't want change to happen.

1543
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:11,559
Speaker 2: I I am not aware of it happening. Yeah, I

1544
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:15,160
Speaker 2: like and I one of the things that often underlies

1545
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:18,720
Speaker 2: a lot of history that doesn't get left in, like,

1546
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 2: is people working with the mafia or like all these

1547
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:25,680
Speaker 2: different radicals, like working with different power structures, right, And

1548
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:27,640
Speaker 2: that's like often left out because it's not as like

1549
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 2: sexy or it's criminal or whatever. Right, So probably they're

1550
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:35,719
Speaker 2: doing something that is making the mafia not attack them.

1551
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 2: But I believe the mafia is mad at them, So

1552
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:43,360
Speaker 2: I believe that that something is not working with the mafia. Okay,

1553
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:45,800
Speaker 2: if I were to guess, and I expect I'm wrong,

1554
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:50,680
Speaker 2: it probably is just literally like we are scary and

1555
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:52,320
Speaker 2: there's a lot of us, and we are tied in

1556
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:54,040
Speaker 2: with the panthers, and we are tied in with them

1557
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:56,840
Speaker 2: up against the Wall motherfuckers and Leah, yeah, yeah, the

1558
01:24:56,880 --> 01:25:00,840
Speaker 2: city is full of angry revolutionaries. That's my best guess.

1559
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 2: But I don't yeah, you know, I know it. Around

1560
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:05,560
Speaker 2: the same time, for example, the up against wall motherfuckers

1561
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:10,360
Speaker 2: are like scaring off mafia hits by having more guns

1562
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:15,000
Speaker 2: than the people trying to kill them, you know. But yeah,

1563
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:17,080
Speaker 2: so they're robbing drug dealers and scaring them off the block,

1564
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:19,760
Speaker 2: which is also really hard to morally understand in a

1565
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:23,400
Speaker 2: situation that predates the War on drugs, right because right now,

1566
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 2: during the War on drugs, when people talk about like, oh,

1567
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 2: we're gonna like go fuck up all the drug dealers,

1568
01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:31,880
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, you're gonna go fuck up drug users

1569
01:25:31,880 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 2: who are like fucked by society. Congratulations, You're the same

1570
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 2: as the fucking War on drugs. Yeah, but when we're

1571
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 2: not in that context, I don't fucking know. This is

1572
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:45,519
Speaker 2: like straight up, I don't know, you know. Yeah, But

1573
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:49,439
Speaker 2: the cold Turkey approach wasn't gonna work with everyone. The

1574
01:25:49,479 --> 01:25:52,040
Speaker 2: medical problems that people are facing were bigger than just heroin,

1575
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:56,679
Speaker 2: so they needed something more. They needed something bigger, like

1576
01:25:56,680 --> 01:26:03,879
Speaker 2: like a hospital. The South Bronx had won hospital. Lincoln

1577
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:06,639
Speaker 2: Hospital was built in eighteen ninety eight, the same year

1578
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:10,040
Speaker 2: that the US stole Puerto Rico from the Spanish. This

1579
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:11,640
Speaker 2: is the place that I was saying, gets called the

1580
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:15,040
Speaker 2: butcher shop. It's the wrong leg amputated whoops shop with

1581
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:17,439
Speaker 2: lead paint for the children to eat. And it's the

1582
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:20,719
Speaker 2: kind of place where the er doesn't do triage. There's

1583
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 2: no translators on staff, no accommodations for non English speaking patients.

1584
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:28,519
Speaker 2: But the best part, and this is not sarcasm, the

1585
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:31,960
Speaker 2: actual good part was that some reformers had set up

1586
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:35,639
Speaker 2: a fairly groundbreaking mental health clinic there that emphasized talk

1587
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:39,280
Speaker 2: therapy and actually hearing patients out. Oh wow, so it's

1588
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:43,400
Speaker 2: kind of a battleground spot already in March nineteen sixty nine,

1589
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:46,000
Speaker 2: before the Lords arrived. The Lords did a lot, and

1590
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:50,080
Speaker 2: they deserve it a ton of the credit. But by

1591
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 2: tying into existing infrastructures and working with other groups, in

1592
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:59,200
Speaker 2: March nineteen sixty nine, the mental health clinic had taken

1593
01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:02,519
Speaker 2: itself over. The workers, mostly people of color, had seized

1594
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:06,280
Speaker 2: the building and kicked out the director and his upper staff. Yeah,

1595
01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:09,400
Speaker 2: the doctors, including white doctors, which is most of them

1596
01:27:09,439 --> 01:27:12,760
Speaker 2: this is the late sixties, supported the action and kept

1597
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:15,360
Speaker 2: working and they held it for three days, and the

1598
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:18,920
Speaker 2: Black Panthers ran security and brought supporters. This is before

1599
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 2: the Panther twenty one trial took the wind out of

1600
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:22,320
Speaker 2: the New York City Panthers.

1601
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 4: Just would like to say that I am really loving

1602
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:30,639
Speaker 4: these stories of like doctors standing with their staff and

1603
01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:38,080
Speaker 4: like standing up to administration and their bosses. It's really

1604
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:42,080
Speaker 4: I encourage all the doctors out there who might be

1605
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:46,080
Speaker 4: listening to do that. Yeah, as we really need it.

1606
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:51,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, this particular takeover was broken when the city. I

1607
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:53,439
Speaker 2: don't even think the mystery is the hospital. The city

1608
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:56,000
Speaker 2: was like any doctors who practice here will lose their licenses.

1609
01:27:57,439 --> 01:27:59,479
Speaker 2: But the action did get a bunch of workers have

1610
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:02,920
Speaker 2: been fired, and it got the fired workers on fired

1611
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:06,400
Speaker 2: and the director was transferred out, So it was like

1612
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:11,400
Speaker 2: successful to some degree. Right by nineteen seventy, some of

1613
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:14,080
Speaker 2: the workers there were young lords themselves, and some of

1614
01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:17,320
Speaker 2: these workers set up a complaint table for workers and

1615
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:21,000
Speaker 2: patients in the er. Twelve hours a day, they were

1616
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:23,120
Speaker 2: there at this table. On weekends they were there twenty

1617
01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:25,840
Speaker 2: four hours a day Wow. And they kept getting kicked

1618
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:27,760
Speaker 2: out and they kept coming right back in. There's like

1619
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:30,880
Speaker 2: interviews you can hear about like the people like kind

1620
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:33,000
Speaker 2: of being friends with the security guards. It's like I'm

1621
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:34,920
Speaker 2: kicking you out again, and they're like I'm going to

1622
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 2: be right back in and like all right, have fun,

1623
01:28:37,479 --> 01:28:40,160
Speaker 2: you know. So they set up this complaint table. They

1624
01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:43,160
Speaker 2: get two thousand complaints in a month, wow, and they

1625
01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:45,840
Speaker 2: just start acting on them like all the ones that

1626
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:50,160
Speaker 2: they can. They just direct action, get the goods, install

1627
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:52,920
Speaker 2: privacy screens in the bathrooms. They move trash off the

1628
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:55,640
Speaker 2: street outside and into the director's office because this is

1629
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:57,320
Speaker 2: what you do with trash.

1630
01:28:57,360 --> 01:28:58,519
Speaker 4: WHOA.

1631
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:04,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. The medical staff who were part of this organization,

1632
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:06,640
Speaker 2: I think this is atrun, but I'm not. I'm not

1633
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:09,040
Speaker 2: one hundred percent certain the larger organization that's doing this.

1634
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:12,080
Speaker 2: The medical staff just start doing triage in the er,

1635
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:14,720
Speaker 2: like when they're not at work. They're just like, were triaging.

1636
01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:19,920
Speaker 2: Fuck this an er needs triage, which I did not

1637
01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:22,040
Speaker 2: learn this word until I was an adult. Triage is

1638
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:24,240
Speaker 2: when you determine which patients are the most injured and

1639
01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:29,160
Speaker 2: who needs medical care most immediately. So they put pressure

1640
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:32,200
Speaker 2: on administration for better care for the workers, but there

1641
01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:34,960
Speaker 2: was a wall. They couldn't get anything systemic fixed. They

1642
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:37,960
Speaker 2: could only like band aids. People are like, oh, it's

1643
01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:39,519
Speaker 2: just a band aid. Like band aids are great, they

1644
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:42,880
Speaker 2: stop bleeding, you can keep infection out like, but they

1645
01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:46,400
Speaker 2: don't address systemic issues. So they did what they had

1646
01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:51,280
Speaker 2: to do with a really interesting security culture method. On

1647
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:55,679
Speaker 2: July thirteenth, nineteen seventy, one hundred and fifty young lords

1648
01:29:55,720 --> 01:29:58,760
Speaker 2: met in an apartment and locked themselves in so that

1649
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:01,479
Speaker 2: no infiltrators could get out and give anyone a heads

1650
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:03,639
Speaker 2: up because they knew they were infiltrated. It's the fucking

1651
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 2: it's nineteen seventy, you know, a huh, And so not

1652
01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:08,800
Speaker 2: all of them knew the plan going in. They all

1653
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:11,479
Speaker 2: get told the plan, but they can't call out. At

1654
01:30:11,479 --> 01:30:13,599
Speaker 2: three point thirty am, they pile into a U haul

1655
01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 2: and a bunch of cars. They backed up to the

1656
01:30:16,120 --> 01:30:19,320
Speaker 2: hospital loading dock. They opened the doors. They stormed the

1657
01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:21,439
Speaker 2: hospital with nun chucks.

1658
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:27,960
Speaker 4: Oh this episode brought to you by nonsense dunchucks. I

1659
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:29,880
Speaker 4: know how cool they are. I know.

1660
01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:34,639
Speaker 2: For some reason, most retellies leave the nunchucks out. That's

1661
01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:39,120
Speaker 2: a mistake Ely on nunchuck radicals. You get it, Okay,

1662
01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:41,080
Speaker 2: I'll tell my one nunchuck story please.

1663
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:43,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1664
01:30:43,160 --> 01:30:45,559
Speaker 2: I'm like twenty two or something, and I'm like living

1665
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:47,640
Speaker 2: in the basement of this house with some hipsters and

1666
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:50,240
Speaker 2: they have this party and I'm avoiding it. I'm hanging

1667
01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:54,280
Speaker 2: out in the basement and at one point someone comes down.

1668
01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:55,640
Speaker 2: At this time, I'm like, all I'm doing is like

1669
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:58,000
Speaker 2: studying martial arts and trying to stop a war and

1670
01:30:58,040 --> 01:31:01,439
Speaker 2: all that shit. And they come down and they're like, Magpie,

1671
01:31:01,479 --> 01:31:03,360
Speaker 2: this guy won't leave and he's harassing people. He's like

1672
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:06,880
Speaker 2: harassing this woman. You have to kick him out. And

1673
01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:10,320
Speaker 2: I'm like okay, And so I'm like in my sleeping

1674
01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:13,120
Speaker 2: dress and I just like walk upstairs with the pair

1675
01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:16,639
Speaker 2: of nunchucks and I'm like the weird kid an address

1676
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:18,920
Speaker 2: from the basement who hasn't been at the party, and

1677
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:20,160
Speaker 2: I just like walk up. I think I have a

1678
01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:22,040
Speaker 2: beard at the time, and I'm just like, hey, you

1679
01:31:22,120 --> 01:31:25,640
Speaker 2: better leave, and the guy's like I'm already gone, and

1680
01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:28,320
Speaker 2: he runs away. I don't know how to use nunchucks.

1681
01:31:28,479 --> 01:31:30,000
Speaker 2: I do not know how to use nunchucks. At this

1682
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:32,080
Speaker 2: point in my life. I just have them.

1683
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:36,960
Speaker 4: I mean it's definitely a power move of like who's

1684
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:39,599
Speaker 4: going to assume that you don't know how to use them?

1685
01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:43,719
Speaker 4: You know, like if you're pulling them out just visually,

1686
01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:46,679
Speaker 4: you'd be like that person knows how to use those.

1687
01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:52,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like bluffing is a very effective as we.

1688
01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:56,400
Speaker 4: Learn from the young lords. Like sometimes you just try it.

1689
01:31:57,720 --> 01:32:02,760
Speaker 2: Storm a hospital with nunchucks. What go wrong? Yeah, So

1690
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:06,400
Speaker 2: they secure the entrances, they barricade shit. They still let

1691
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:08,360
Speaker 2: workers and patients in and out of the building, just

1692
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:11,960
Speaker 2: they're controlling it. They set up screening clinics for tuberculosis

1693
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:15,720
Speaker 2: and lead poisoning, anemia. They set up a daycare in

1694
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:17,680
Speaker 2: a classroom because one of their whole things is that

1695
01:32:17,680 --> 01:32:22,200
Speaker 2: they believe that kids should get childcare while they're sole

1696
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:26,760
Speaker 2: caretaker is in the hospital. It's wild, I know. They

1697
01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:29,240
Speaker 2: hung up a banner welcome to the People's Hospital in

1698
01:32:29,240 --> 01:32:32,559
Speaker 2: a Puerto Rican flag. They hadn't tipped off the hospital

1699
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:35,879
Speaker 2: workers or it wouldn't have worked right, But the hospital

1700
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:40,080
Speaker 2: workers were down. The physicians backed them. They hated working

1701
01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:43,439
Speaker 2: for the butcher's shop because they became doctors to help people. Yeah,

1702
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:46,800
Speaker 2: even the chief administrator was like, well, I mean they

1703
01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:51,200
Speaker 2: kind of got a point, like, wow, no one likes

1704
01:32:51,240 --> 01:32:54,759
Speaker 2: working at the butcher shop, you know, except like Sweeney

1705
01:32:54,800 --> 01:33:00,000
Speaker 2: Todd or whatever. Thank you, thank you.

1706
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:04,680
Speaker 4: We really like.

1707
01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:15,439
Speaker 2: You did that one for you apparently. So they called

1708
01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:23,360
Speaker 2: for a press conference. It was so perfectly time. So

1709
01:33:23,400 --> 01:33:25,719
Speaker 2: they call for a press conference and they explain themselves

1710
01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:27,519
Speaker 2: to the press and they give their demands, which is

1711
01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:30,919
Speaker 2: like door to door health care, better pay for workers,

1712
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:33,960
Speaker 2: daycare for patients and workers, hurry up and build a

1713
01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:39,240
Speaker 2: new hospital. I did not find a name for this action.

1714
01:33:40,479 --> 01:33:43,160
Speaker 2: I assume it was the Lincoln Offensive for the Hospital offensive.

1715
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:44,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1716
01:33:44,640 --> 01:33:47,680
Speaker 2: They held it for about twelve hours. The negotiations of

1717
01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:50,920
Speaker 2: the police were going very badly. Undercovers were trying to

1718
01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:54,519
Speaker 2: infiltrate into the hospital, so they left and rather than

1719
01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:58,519
Speaker 2: letting themselves get mass arrested, they put on white coats

1720
01:33:58,520 --> 01:34:01,559
Speaker 2: and slipped out with the doctors, covered by supporters from

1721
01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:08,040
Speaker 2: inside and outside. Yeah. Oh, and once the cops realized

1722
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:11,040
Speaker 2: they'd been duped, they combed the area for the lords,

1723
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:15,559
Speaker 2: but people in the neighborhoods took them in. Only two

1724
01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:18,640
Speaker 2: participants out of one hundred and fifty two hundred participants

1725
01:34:19,080 --> 01:34:23,519
Speaker 2: got fucking caught. Wow, good fucking odds. I would take

1726
01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:31,400
Speaker 2: those odds seriously. Nothing changed immediately. Then three days later,

1727
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:34,880
Speaker 2: a patient named Carmen Rodriguez died during an abortion at

1728
01:34:34,920 --> 01:34:38,640
Speaker 2: the hospital. The resident, a student doctor, didn't look at

1729
01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:41,280
Speaker 2: her chart in her pre existing conditions and performed the

1730
01:34:41,320 --> 01:34:44,519
Speaker 2: wrong kind of abortion, and then when she responded badly,

1731
01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:47,360
Speaker 2: doubled down on mistreating her, and a few days later

1732
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:50,040
Speaker 2: July nineteenth, nineteen seventy, she died of negligence.

1733
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:53,360
Speaker 4: Oh wow, this is something I've read about.

1734
01:34:53,880 --> 01:34:59,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's fucking heartbreaking, Like I don't know, just

1735
01:35:00,120 --> 01:35:04,120
Speaker 2: especially doubling down and sit especially like I mean, there's.

1736
01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:09,639
Speaker 4: Also just a really painful history of sterilization of Puerto

1737
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:15,000
Speaker 4: Rican women, and just it was a part of what

1738
01:35:15,160 --> 01:35:17,160
Speaker 4: like the women of the Young Lords would talk about

1739
01:35:17,200 --> 01:35:20,240
Speaker 4: in when they would talk about the women's movement and

1740
01:35:20,280 --> 01:35:23,719
Speaker 4: women's liberation, as they would make a very clear distinction

1741
01:35:23,800 --> 01:35:27,160
Speaker 4: between upper class women's liberation and how like the Young

1742
01:35:27,200 --> 01:35:30,880
Speaker 4: Lord women of course, you know, stood for abortion rights,

1743
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:33,200
Speaker 4: but they also were like, we have to be very

1744
01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:38,960
Speaker 4: clear about our experience of you know, being forcefully sterilized

1745
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:42,960
Speaker 4: like a lot of women getting sterilized in who worked

1746
01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:45,400
Speaker 4: in factories and just without their knowledge.

1747
01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:46,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1748
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:50,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's just a part of the history, and

1749
01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:54,840
Speaker 4: it's just such a recent history, you know of Puerto

1750
01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:55,439
Speaker 4: Rican women.

1751
01:35:55,920 --> 01:36:00,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, It's something that I didn't really understand i

1752
01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:03,080
Speaker 2: first started doing some of this research about like, you know,

1753
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:06,200
Speaker 2: it's doing well now I feel self conscious about it.

1754
01:36:06,200 --> 01:36:08,840
Speaker 2: But I did an EPISO about the Jaine Collective Okay,

1755
01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:11,160
Speaker 2: Sophie that you can go listen to.

1756
01:36:12,320 --> 01:36:13,040
Speaker 4: It's so fun.

1757
01:36:13,760 --> 01:36:15,679
Speaker 2: And one of the things that I didn't realize going

1758
01:36:15,720 --> 01:36:18,559
Speaker 2: into that research was how I had only read about

1759
01:36:18,600 --> 01:36:22,639
Speaker 2: the you know, the panthers and black liberationists had very

1760
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:29,080
Speaker 2: complicated relationships with abortion rights because the pel oh interesting, Yeah,

1761
01:36:29,080 --> 01:36:33,080
Speaker 2: because they're like, we're trying to avoid a cultural genocide.

1762
01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:38,920
Speaker 2: You have to like, freedom to reproduce was what more

1763
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:41,760
Speaker 2: of them were fighting for as compared to more white

1764
01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:45,480
Speaker 2: women were fighting for freedom to control to not reproduce,

1765
01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:50,320
Speaker 2: and any logical look at it is what we want.

1766
01:36:50,360 --> 01:36:51,240
Speaker 2: Bodily autonomy.

1767
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:57,479
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, you know, but childcare like goes into it

1768
01:36:57,520 --> 01:37:01,080
Speaker 4: as well, because from what I read, like women and

1769
01:37:01,080 --> 01:37:04,840
Speaker 4: the young lords would talk about how working class people

1770
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:08,400
Speaker 4: deserve to be able to have children, and that include

1771
01:37:08,479 --> 01:37:11,480
Speaker 4: that means that we will need to set up community childcare,

1772
01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:13,880
Speaker 4: you know, because that is the only way that we

1773
01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:17,439
Speaker 4: can that if you're not incredibly wealthy. They were just

1774
01:37:17,439 --> 01:37:20,519
Speaker 4: saying it shouldn't be a barrier to be to starting

1775
01:37:20,520 --> 01:37:25,680
Speaker 4: a family, yeah, which you know. Yeah, so it's just

1776
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:30,519
Speaker 4: it's a really yeah, it's this painful part of it

1777
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:36,280
Speaker 4: just really moves me that there was so much like

1778
01:37:36,640 --> 01:37:41,720
Speaker 4: mind blowing growth and like just what these people are experiencing,

1779
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:44,080
Speaker 4: you know, like so quickly within a generation.

1780
01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:49,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, well that's an awkward place that I have

1781
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:55,479
Speaker 2: to stick an ad transition, but I do. So here's

1782
01:37:55,479 --> 01:38:03,639
Speaker 2: some ads and we're back and yeah, we're talking about

1783
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:08,599
Speaker 2: how Carmen Rodriguez died at the hospital three days after

1784
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:13,920
Speaker 2: the takeover. And so this led to the most enduring

1785
01:38:13,960 --> 01:38:17,640
Speaker 2: and wide reaching legacy of the Young Lord's Hrum. The

1786
01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:20,360
Speaker 2: radical group of medical professionals that the Young Lords are

1787
01:38:20,360 --> 01:38:23,680
Speaker 2: part of. They draft a new document and they call

1788
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:29,680
Speaker 2: it the Patient's Bill of Rights, and it says you

1789
01:38:29,720 --> 01:38:32,640
Speaker 2: deserve to be treated respectfully, to have your treatment explained,

1790
01:38:32,720 --> 01:38:35,200
Speaker 2: that you can refuse treatment, that you can see your chart,

1791
01:38:35,680 --> 01:38:38,599
Speaker 2: that people deserve door to door preventative care, that people

1792
01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:40,840
Speaker 2: can pick their doctors, that you should get free food

1793
01:38:40,880 --> 01:38:43,760
Speaker 2: with your care, that there should be daycare, and that

1794
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:48,360
Speaker 2: healthcare should be free. This is obviously not I know

1795
01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:52,639
Speaker 2: you look at that and you're like that, Yeah, I'm

1796
01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:56,639
Speaker 2: in like, this is not the patient's bill of rights

1797
01:38:56,640 --> 01:39:00,880
Speaker 2: we have today in the US. Specifically, the stuff part

1798
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:01,960
Speaker 2: didn't really survive.

1799
01:39:02,840 --> 01:39:04,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, still working on that.

1800
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:08,360
Speaker 2: But some of this other stuff I have always taken

1801
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:12,080
Speaker 2: for granted. I mean I didn't. I don't want to

1802
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:15,160
Speaker 2: talk about my own family history too much, but it's

1803
01:39:15,200 --> 01:39:17,479
Speaker 2: like it makes sense to me that, of course you

1804
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:19,880
Speaker 2: get to have your treatment explained. Of course you can

1805
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:22,599
Speaker 2: refuse treatment. Of course you can see your chart, like,

1806
01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:25,439
Speaker 2: of course you can pick your doctor. Why would I

1807
01:39:25,439 --> 01:39:33,439
Speaker 2: mean again, complications around financial barriers, but it of course

1808
01:39:33,479 --> 01:39:36,360
Speaker 2: you can refuse treatment. It's like such a clear example

1809
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:40,200
Speaker 2: of that that looking back, you're like, what do you

1810
01:39:40,360 --> 01:39:43,360
Speaker 2: mean why would anyone ever have thought it was okay

1811
01:39:43,439 --> 01:39:47,080
Speaker 2: to sterilize someone without their consent? Like, y, how is

1812
01:39:47,120 --> 01:39:50,599
Speaker 2: that not that? Yeah?

1813
01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:51,880
Speaker 4: That's called something else.

1814
01:39:52,240 --> 01:39:56,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, So they start pushing for this bill of rights,

1815
01:39:57,960 --> 01:39:59,960
Speaker 2: and one thing that I find so fascinating about this

1816
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:02,920
Speaker 2: story is that, you know, the Young Lords aren't reformists.

1817
01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:05,759
Speaker 2: They believe in a socialist revolution. But by not coming

1818
01:40:05,800 --> 01:40:08,760
Speaker 2: to the table to beg for scraps, but by demanding everything,

1819
01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:14,120
Speaker 2: they accomplished more reform than reformists tend to, which I

1820
01:40:14,160 --> 01:40:17,080
Speaker 2: would say, keep in mind, reformists, you should pretend to

1821
01:40:17,120 --> 01:40:19,960
Speaker 2: be socialist revolutionaries if you want reform.

1822
01:40:20,160 --> 01:40:21,080
Speaker 4: Take Italian bake.

1823
01:40:21,760 --> 01:40:27,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they do this, but they're still they haven't

1824
01:40:27,240 --> 01:40:30,160
Speaker 2: gotten their health. Their their harm reduction clinic, which they

1825
01:40:30,160 --> 01:40:33,400
Speaker 2: haven't called that yet but leads to that kind of framing.

1826
01:40:34,479 --> 01:40:37,400
Speaker 2: So they have a better idea than their cold Turkey clinic. Uh.

1827
01:40:37,720 --> 01:40:37,920
Speaker 1: Nothing.

1828
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:39,559
Speaker 2: The other day, it was bad. It just didn't work

1829
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:43,200
Speaker 2: for everyone. They got link In to sponsor a drug

1830
01:40:43,240 --> 01:40:48,960
Speaker 2: detoc center. They succeeded by asking nicely, just kidding. On

1831
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:52,920
Speaker 2: November sixth, nineteen seventy, they occupied the sixth floor of

1832
01:40:52,920 --> 01:40:54,560
Speaker 2: one of the buildings of the hospital and set it

1833
01:40:54,640 --> 01:40:57,680
Speaker 2: up with the help of doctors, into a detox facility.

1834
01:40:58,560 --> 01:40:58,760
Speaker 4: Wow.

1835
01:40:59,040 --> 01:41:07,439
Speaker 2: Fifteen, yeah, exactly, Yeah. Fifteen people were arrested. So then

1836
01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:09,640
Speaker 2: other one other people came back the next day and

1837
01:41:09,640 --> 01:41:12,160
Speaker 2: they set it up again, and this time it's stuck.

1838
01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:16,720
Speaker 2: This gets called the first harm Reduction Clinic, and they

1839
01:41:16,840 --> 01:41:19,120
Speaker 2: used a novel approach in which addiction was seen as

1840
01:41:19,120 --> 01:41:23,240
Speaker 2: a social problem and not as individual weakness. Oh. Soon

1841
01:41:23,280 --> 01:41:25,679
Speaker 2: they're treating six hundred people a week at this clinic

1842
01:41:26,320 --> 01:41:29,600
Speaker 2: and it and it starts as a methodone clinic and

1843
01:41:29,640 --> 01:41:33,559
Speaker 2: becomes an acupuncture clinic, and it lasted for eight years.

1844
01:41:33,960 --> 01:41:37,639
Speaker 2: It outlasts the Young Lords, and it ends up staffed

1845
01:41:37,640 --> 01:41:39,840
Speaker 2: by many people who'd been through the treatment themselves.

1846
01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:44,400
Speaker 4: And so this is the beginning of not a.

1847
01:41:43,680 --> 01:41:46,080
Speaker 2: Acupuncture Please explain.

1848
01:41:46,720 --> 01:41:51,120
Speaker 4: Okay, I do not know what na na DA stands for.

1849
01:41:51,400 --> 01:41:52,360
Speaker 4: I will just say.

1850
01:41:52,200 --> 01:41:55,480
Speaker 2: That not a detox No wait, never right, Sorry.

1851
01:41:56,320 --> 01:41:59,960
Speaker 4: It's something that I've It's like ear acupuncture that I've

1852
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:02,320
Speaker 4: received when I was like, you know, like they used

1853
01:42:02,360 --> 01:42:04,920
Speaker 4: to do it at the drop in center when I

1854
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:10,240
Speaker 4: was like a young, homeless teenager, and it's I didn't

1855
01:42:10,640 --> 01:42:15,160
Speaker 4: know that this was created by the Young Lords or

1856
01:42:15,200 --> 01:42:19,719
Speaker 4: that this just you know, the treatment was like formed

1857
01:42:19,720 --> 01:42:21,479
Speaker 4: with the Young Lords and it was like, how do

1858
01:42:21,560 --> 01:42:29,519
Speaker 4: we bring accessible, effective acupuncture to working people or lower

1859
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:30,080
Speaker 4: class people.

1860
01:42:30,160 --> 01:42:33,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am I believe that that is the case.

1861
01:42:33,560 --> 01:42:36,479
Speaker 2: That this is. These are the pioneers of doing that

1862
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:38,479
Speaker 2: in the United States.

1863
01:42:38,520 --> 01:42:39,120
Speaker 4: So cool.

1864
01:42:39,479 --> 01:42:44,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they just fucking did everything. I actually didn't

1865
01:42:44,320 --> 01:42:46,920
Speaker 2: end up writing into the script more about how the

1866
01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:49,160
Speaker 2: patient's Bill of Rights developed out of what they did.

1867
01:42:50,040 --> 01:42:53,800
Speaker 2: There's so much that I didn't get to, you know.

1868
01:42:53,800 --> 01:42:56,000
Speaker 2: It's like a yeah, I didn't get to follow these

1869
01:42:56,040 --> 01:42:58,439
Speaker 2: threads as far as I want, you know. Yeah, yeah,

1870
01:43:00,320 --> 01:43:03,960
Speaker 2: So let's kind of talk about their decline. Unfortunately, but

1871
01:43:05,400 --> 01:43:10,479
Speaker 2: they have so much lasting impact. So whatever, if you

1872
01:43:10,560 --> 01:43:12,639
Speaker 2: write high for two years then burn out and change

1873
01:43:12,680 --> 01:43:14,559
Speaker 2: everything along the way, so fucking goes.

1874
01:43:15,120 --> 01:43:17,760
Speaker 4: And we can learn from him them.

1875
01:43:17,880 --> 01:43:20,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. So these two years are kind of the high

1876
01:43:20,760 --> 01:43:22,960
Speaker 2: point of the Young Lords. Co intel pro is fucking

1877
01:43:23,000 --> 01:43:25,840
Speaker 2: with them really hard. They found an easy target in

1878
01:43:25,880 --> 01:43:29,280
Speaker 2: the culture of obsessive discipline and self criticism and central authority.

1879
01:43:29,280 --> 01:43:32,760
Speaker 2: That was I think building and growing. But I could

1880
01:43:32,800 --> 01:43:35,280
Speaker 2: be wrong. I could be the read of stuff I'm reading.

1881
01:43:36,160 --> 01:43:40,240
Speaker 2: One of the central leaders Felipe Luciano, he's practically the

1882
01:43:40,240 --> 01:43:43,040
Speaker 2: face of the group. He was demoted after cheating on

1883
01:43:43,080 --> 01:43:46,840
Speaker 2: his wife, who was one of the other leaders. They

1884
01:43:46,840 --> 01:43:50,800
Speaker 2: had set really strict rules about who could talk to

1885
01:43:50,840 --> 01:43:54,320
Speaker 2: the press, and so a co intel Pro agent pretended

1886
01:43:54,320 --> 01:43:57,800
Speaker 2: to be one of the Bronx leaders speaking to the press, like, Hey,

1887
01:43:57,880 --> 01:44:00,360
Speaker 2: I'm this guy and I'm speaking to the press. And

1888
01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:02,559
Speaker 2: then so then the other leaders are so mad that

1889
01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:04,000
Speaker 2: this guy spoke to the press even though they have

1890
01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:05,560
Speaker 2: strict rules about who can speak to the press, and

1891
01:44:05,600 --> 01:44:06,760
Speaker 2: he wasn't on the approved.

1892
01:44:06,400 --> 01:44:08,960
Speaker 4: List because I wasn't him.

1893
01:44:09,360 --> 01:44:15,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's in trouble. And oh and the thing

1894
01:44:15,680 --> 01:44:17,599
Speaker 2: that he supposedly spoke to the press about was about

1895
01:44:17,600 --> 01:44:19,639
Speaker 2: how Philippe had been demoted because he was a male

1896
01:44:19,680 --> 01:44:24,559
Speaker 2: chauvinist with unclear politics. So they're like stirring up the shit, right, which.

1897
01:44:24,360 --> 01:44:27,439
Speaker 4: Is like on his Wikipedia page because I looked it up.

1898
01:44:27,520 --> 01:44:30,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I thought he's a male Chovenis who was Yeah.

1899
01:44:29,720 --> 01:44:32,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, like the quote. So it's interesting to know, yeah,

1900
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:34,880
Speaker 4: where this is coming from.

1901
01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:38,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like, and he overall co intel Pro

1902
01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:40,800
Speaker 2: likes to find existing cracks and expand them.

1903
01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:41,400
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.

1904
01:44:41,439 --> 01:44:44,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. But so you can look at that two ways.

1905
01:44:44,200 --> 01:44:47,879
Speaker 2: We could be like, well, we're vulnerable to federal infiltration

1906
01:44:47,960 --> 01:44:50,920
Speaker 2: if we have sexists, which is true. You can also

1907
01:44:50,960 --> 01:44:55,799
Speaker 2: look at at as we're vulnerable to fed we're vulnerable

1908
01:44:55,840 --> 01:45:03,080
Speaker 2: to this shit if we're so quick to who well,

1909
01:45:03,880 --> 01:45:06,080
Speaker 2: now get into murky waters. But like you know, we're

1910
01:45:06,080 --> 01:45:08,040
Speaker 2: so quick to get mad at everyone about these things,

1911
01:45:08,040 --> 01:45:09,920
Speaker 2: and we have so many controls about all of these things,

1912
01:45:09,920 --> 01:45:12,599
Speaker 2: you know, And so it's like demoting a leader because

1913
01:45:12,600 --> 01:45:14,400
Speaker 2: he's sexist is not bad. But the way it was

1914
01:45:14,439 --> 01:45:18,160
Speaker 2: handled was manipulated by the FEDS. Most likely within a

1915
01:45:18,200 --> 01:45:21,960
Speaker 2: month he left the organization that he'd started or had

1916
01:45:21,960 --> 01:45:25,200
Speaker 2: a hand in starting. Yeah, things start to get darker.

1917
01:45:25,439 --> 01:45:30,040
Speaker 2: On October seventeenth, nineteen seventy, the Young Lord j Roldin

1918
01:45:30,960 --> 01:45:33,320
Speaker 2: he's found it hanging in a cell in the Tombs,

1919
01:45:34,479 --> 01:45:37,600
Speaker 2: and he's one of eight quote suicides that year in

1920
01:45:37,640 --> 01:45:40,559
Speaker 2: the Tombs, one of whom had somehow fractured his own

1921
01:45:40,640 --> 01:45:45,320
Speaker 2: skull while hanging himself, if you believe the police, which

1922
01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:50,479
Speaker 2: I don't. So when Julio died, a thousand people came

1923
01:45:50,520 --> 01:45:54,559
Speaker 2: to his viewing At his funeral march the onlookers chanted

1924
01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:58,920
Speaker 2: in his chant rules Fuego, fuego, fuego, Los Yankees kiet

1925
01:45:58,960 --> 01:46:04,360
Speaker 2: and fuego fire, fire fire, The Yankees want some fire whoa,

1926
01:46:04,960 --> 01:46:06,320
Speaker 2: which is hard as fuck.

1927
01:46:07,360 --> 01:46:10,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, They're like oh you want you want some buckets?

1928
01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:12,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1929
01:46:12,880 --> 01:46:13,360
Speaker 4: Wow.

1930
01:46:15,240 --> 01:46:17,680
Speaker 2: So it's at this point in the narratives that I've

1931
01:46:17,720 --> 01:46:20,200
Speaker 2: read that they pick up the gun more literally. Okay,

1932
01:46:20,640 --> 01:46:23,639
Speaker 2: the funeral stops for a second viewing at that Methodist

1933
01:46:23,720 --> 01:46:25,920
Speaker 2: church they'd once occupied with nothing but non trucks and

1934
01:46:25,960 --> 01:46:29,879
Speaker 2: community support. They go into the church, they open the casket.

1935
01:46:30,040 --> 01:46:35,240
Speaker 2: Alongside his body is an arsenal of guns in the casket. Yeah,

1936
01:46:35,280 --> 01:46:36,720
Speaker 2: that's how they hit it. Yeah, that's how they got

1937
01:46:36,720 --> 01:46:37,320
Speaker 2: into the church.

1938
01:46:37,840 --> 01:46:38,080
Speaker 1: Whoa.

1939
01:46:39,240 --> 01:46:43,720
Speaker 2: They stuffed his casket full of full of weapons and

1940
01:46:43,760 --> 01:46:46,640
Speaker 2: they use it to occupy the church. Their first and

1941
01:46:46,680 --> 01:46:50,519
Speaker 2: foremost demand was an independent investigation into Julio Roldon's death.

1942
01:46:51,479 --> 01:46:53,320
Speaker 2: The other demands were let us set up a legal

1943
01:46:53,320 --> 01:46:55,559
Speaker 2: defense center here, and also the city needs to let

1944
01:46:55,560 --> 01:46:59,880
Speaker 2: clergymen visit people in prison and investigate prison conditions. So

1945
01:47:01,200 --> 01:47:03,920
Speaker 2: a diverse group of clergy took the demand to the city.

1946
01:47:04,360 --> 01:47:07,240
Speaker 2: The city was like, yeah, fuck you. So then eighteen

1947
01:47:07,280 --> 01:47:10,560
Speaker 2: clergy members joined the armed occupation because they were like,

1948
01:47:10,920 --> 01:47:12,320
Speaker 2: he's not listening to us. You're the only way to

1949
01:47:12,320 --> 01:47:13,519
Speaker 2: get anything fucking done.

1950
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:15,400
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1951
01:47:15,560 --> 01:47:17,200
Speaker 2: And I started this off by being like, oh, they're

1952
01:47:17,240 --> 01:47:19,760
Speaker 2: getting this darker as during the decline. I feel like

1953
01:47:19,800 --> 01:47:21,840
Speaker 2: I almost I feel kind of bad using this as

1954
01:47:21,880 --> 01:47:26,800
Speaker 2: like because it's an escalation, but it's not. I am

1955
01:47:26,800 --> 01:47:30,200
Speaker 2: not putting moral judgment on this particular choice and escalation.

1956
01:47:30,760 --> 01:47:33,400
Speaker 2: Yeah right. They weren't trying to go down in a

1957
01:47:33,400 --> 01:47:37,080
Speaker 2: blaze of glory, and they started negotiations. Older women from

1958
01:47:37,080 --> 01:47:40,360
Speaker 2: the neighborhood secreted out the guns and pieces basically like

1959
01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:42,760
Speaker 2: because they were like, we're going fucking down. We don't

1960
01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:45,479
Speaker 2: want to all get murdered, So like, yeah, piece by piece,

1961
01:47:45,520 --> 01:47:49,080
Speaker 2: all the guns get disappeared. Negotiations picked up. The city

1962
01:47:49,120 --> 01:47:51,680
Speaker 2: gave in and started an independent investigation into the death

1963
01:47:51,720 --> 01:47:56,000
Speaker 2: of Julio Rolden, and the independent report was clear Julio

1964
01:47:56,080 --> 01:48:00,880
Speaker 2: did hang himself, and at least according this investigation, in

1965
01:48:00,920 --> 01:48:03,360
Speaker 2: twenty seven pages, some excerpted in The New York Times,

1966
01:48:03,400 --> 01:48:06,719
Speaker 2: it said basically, in a paraphrase, he killed himself because

1967
01:48:06,760 --> 01:48:09,479
Speaker 2: the tombs is a fucking nightmare pit that drives people

1968
01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:14,120
Speaker 2: to suicide. And mainstream news articles basically were saying, like, yeah,

1969
01:48:14,160 --> 01:48:17,920
Speaker 2: sometimes suicide is murder. This is such a case. You

1970
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:20,439
Speaker 2: put someone in this terrible of a situation, you are

1971
01:48:20,520 --> 01:48:25,599
Speaker 2: killing them, even if Julio most likely hanged himself. I

1972
01:48:25,640 --> 01:48:28,080
Speaker 2: bet that one who cracked his own scald didn't fucking

1973
01:48:28,120 --> 01:48:28,759
Speaker 2: hang himself.

1974
01:48:29,200 --> 01:48:30,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, that doesn't sound like a.

1975
01:48:32,160 --> 01:48:35,479
Speaker 2: They held the church for two months until December nineteen

1976
01:48:35,479 --> 01:48:37,639
Speaker 2: seventy is a year after the last time they held

1977
01:48:37,640 --> 01:48:40,240
Speaker 2: the church, you know. And they did their thing there.

1978
01:48:40,320 --> 01:48:43,439
Speaker 2: They fed people, they offered free legal help. Radical priests

1979
01:48:43,479 --> 01:48:47,959
Speaker 2: started showing up and doing stuff there, but the organization

1980
01:48:48,040 --> 01:48:52,160
Speaker 2: started to decline. After this, they followed a familiar course.

1981
01:48:52,280 --> 01:48:56,040
Speaker 2: To quote author Johanna Fernandez, the movements were on the

1982
01:48:56,080 --> 01:48:59,040
Speaker 2: path of decline. Others saw mounting state repression as a

1983
01:48:59,080 --> 01:49:02,040
Speaker 2: reason to embrace the to self defense within their relatively

1984
01:49:02,080 --> 01:49:04,559
Speaker 2: small groups, which they confuse with the defense of the

1985
01:49:04,600 --> 01:49:08,800
Speaker 2: masses in their communities. Amid the disorientation and siege mentality

1986
01:49:08,880 --> 01:49:12,960
Speaker 2: produced by state repression, radicals became somewhat isolated from their communities.

1987
01:49:13,280 --> 01:49:16,559
Speaker 2: They began to see themselves as enlightened actors. Before long,

1988
01:49:16,640 --> 01:49:20,080
Speaker 2: they began to substitute the painstaking task of grassroots mobilization

1989
01:49:20,200 --> 01:49:23,559
Speaker 2: with heroic acts of sacrifice taken on behalf of quote

1990
01:49:23,560 --> 01:49:29,120
Speaker 2: the people. The central leadership had a closed retreat just

1991
01:49:29,160 --> 01:49:31,920
Speaker 2: for itself to figure out what's going wrong, why things

1992
01:49:31,920 --> 01:49:35,120
Speaker 2: are getting bad, and they decide that the answer is

1993
01:49:35,120 --> 01:49:38,240
Speaker 2: that they need to centralize more power. They decided at

1994
01:49:38,240 --> 01:49:40,840
Speaker 2: the retreat that the social services move was the wrong

1995
01:49:40,880 --> 01:49:44,200
Speaker 2: one and instead they should focus on leading a revolution

1996
01:49:44,280 --> 01:49:47,240
Speaker 2: to free Puerto Rico, and basically are like, if you're

1997
01:49:47,240 --> 01:49:50,520
Speaker 2: real revolutionaries, this is what you care about, not this volunteerism,

1998
01:49:51,040 --> 01:49:53,920
Speaker 2: which means we're shifting over to fundraising and now that's

1999
01:49:53,920 --> 01:49:55,519
Speaker 2: what we're going to do here in the United States

2000
01:49:55,560 --> 01:50:00,240
Speaker 2: as fundraise and relocate organizers to Puerto Rico. And the

2001
01:50:00,280 --> 01:50:04,000
Speaker 2: rank and file of the Young Lords aren't really excited

2002
01:50:04,040 --> 01:50:06,880
Speaker 2: about this, And actually, I think some of it probably

2003
01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:08,240
Speaker 2: has to do with some of what you're talking about,

2004
01:50:08,240 --> 01:50:11,759
Speaker 2: like New Eyorekan identity and it's just from the island.

2005
01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:16,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, very I mean, I'm sure some of them had

2006
01:50:16,120 --> 01:50:20,439
Speaker 4: connection to the island, you know, but definitely strange move

2007
01:50:20,640 --> 01:50:24,559
Speaker 4: to go far away and then try to free people

2008
01:50:24,600 --> 01:50:27,960
Speaker 4: over there who could probably if they're going to free themselves,

2009
01:50:27,960 --> 01:50:29,520
Speaker 4: they should probably free themselves.

2010
01:50:29,920 --> 01:50:35,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So their membership starts to decline. It didn't

2011
01:50:35,120 --> 01:50:37,080
Speaker 2: help that they got really paranoid about co intel pro,

2012
01:50:37,160 --> 01:50:39,160
Speaker 2: which is not their fault. That is literally the purpose

2013
01:50:39,160 --> 01:50:42,120
Speaker 2: of co intel pro totally and they started to purge

2014
01:50:42,120 --> 01:50:45,240
Speaker 2: people without evidence, especially people who were critical of this

2015
01:50:45,320 --> 01:50:48,439
Speaker 2: new change in focus. So they dropped from one thousand

2016
01:50:48,479 --> 01:50:50,800
Speaker 2: members to two hundred members and not very long at all.

2017
01:50:52,200 --> 01:50:55,360
Speaker 2: They were not well received in Puerto Rico. They showed

2018
01:50:55,400 --> 01:50:58,080
Speaker 2: up in fatigues and berets, and this didn't go over

2019
01:50:58,160 --> 01:51:00,720
Speaker 2: as a powerful symbol of working class and see, it

2020
01:51:00,800 --> 01:51:04,200
Speaker 2: just confused people. The Nationalist Party that they showed up

2021
01:51:04,240 --> 01:51:07,400
Speaker 2: to help didn't really like them. Most of the independence

2022
01:51:07,439 --> 01:51:11,000
Speaker 2: movements at the time there were rich and white, oh wow.

2023
01:51:11,520 --> 01:51:15,160
Speaker 2: And they also white within the Puerto Rican context, probably

2024
01:51:15,160 --> 01:51:18,719
Speaker 2: in the United States context well the mainland. And also

2025
01:51:18,760 --> 01:51:20,439
Speaker 2: they were like buds, you can't just show up out

2026
01:51:20,479 --> 01:51:22,800
Speaker 2: of nowhere and tell us you're going to free us.

2027
01:51:22,840 --> 01:51:25,720
Speaker 2: And they were outsiders. They knew how to organize in

2028
01:51:25,720 --> 01:51:27,880
Speaker 2: New York City really well. On the island, they met

2029
01:51:27,920 --> 01:51:32,240
Speaker 2: with little success. They did do stuffy it was earnest.

2030
01:51:33,120 --> 01:51:35,160
Speaker 2: By June nineteen seventy one, two of the three New

2031
01:51:35,240 --> 01:51:39,400
Speaker 2: York City offices shut their doors. They switched ideological focuses again,

2032
01:51:40,120 --> 01:51:43,000
Speaker 2: and this time they switched to a workerist attitude, meaning

2033
01:51:43,040 --> 01:51:46,519
Speaker 2: the lump and proletariat, the thieves and stuff. They're no

2034
01:51:46,600 --> 01:51:50,280
Speaker 2: longer the shit, so now we're all on the workers.

2035
01:51:50,760 --> 01:51:54,120
Speaker 2: But there's a problem here. Being a young lord was

2036
01:51:54,160 --> 01:51:57,160
Speaker 2: a full time twenty four to seven commitment, which means

2037
01:51:57,160 --> 01:52:00,760
Speaker 2: workers hadn't joined. It was the unemployed or the soon

2038
01:52:00,760 --> 01:52:05,080
Speaker 2: to be unemployed. Students, youth, and criminals were primarily who

2039
01:52:05,240 --> 01:52:08,280
Speaker 2: the young Lord's recruited from. So they didn't get workers.

2040
01:52:08,320 --> 01:52:11,599
Speaker 2: They just lost lumpin. So they went out and tried

2041
01:52:11,600 --> 01:52:14,400
Speaker 2: to get jobs in industry to go organize people, which

2042
01:52:14,600 --> 01:52:18,360
Speaker 2: kind of went over, like showing up in Puerto Rico. Yeah,

2043
01:52:18,400 --> 01:52:21,320
Speaker 2: they got more rigid and dogmatic, and they spiraled. They

2044
01:52:21,360 --> 01:52:23,479
Speaker 2: tried to solve it in nineteen seventy two by having

2045
01:52:23,520 --> 01:52:26,479
Speaker 2: a forty day course of Marxist study in which they

2046
01:52:26,520 --> 01:52:29,320
Speaker 2: discussed in red marks for six hours a day and

2047
01:52:29,400 --> 01:52:33,479
Speaker 2: tried to out revolutionary each other. This further alienated them

2048
01:52:33,479 --> 01:52:38,479
Speaker 2: from everyone. No, I know, I know, and it's like,

2049
01:52:38,680 --> 01:52:42,360
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's another read of this, you know. Yeah,

2050
01:52:42,479 --> 01:52:43,000
Speaker 2: but like.

2051
01:52:43,479 --> 01:52:47,599
Speaker 4: Also dealing with immense pressure and like yeah, like yeah,

2052
01:52:47,680 --> 01:52:49,639
Speaker 4: it's so easy for us to be like and contal

2053
01:52:49,680 --> 01:52:52,559
Speaker 4: prow was happening It's like they didn't know Conte Pearl

2054
01:52:52,760 --> 01:52:54,760
Speaker 4: isn't a thing that people knew, you know.

2055
01:52:54,920 --> 01:53:00,760
Speaker 2: Right, they had just learned but ah, oh okay, yeah.

2056
01:53:00,200 --> 01:53:04,760
Speaker 4: With the paranoia and yeah.

2057
01:53:04,880 --> 01:53:07,759
Speaker 2: So they tried to solve their further alienation from everyone

2058
01:53:07,800 --> 01:53:10,400
Speaker 2: by centralizing the authority from a central leadership to a

2059
01:53:10,400 --> 01:53:13,960
Speaker 2: central leader, a woman named Gloria Fontanas, and then they

2060
01:53:14,040 --> 01:53:16,160
Speaker 2: kicked out all the people who had gone to Puerto Rico.

2061
01:53:17,080 --> 01:53:20,679
Speaker 2: Because the people who had gone to Puerto Rico were like, hey,

2062
01:53:20,720 --> 01:53:25,719
Speaker 2: this isn't working, we shouldn't do this, but central leadership

2063
01:53:25,800 --> 01:53:27,840
Speaker 2: was like, Nope, you've got to stay the course. Some

2064
01:53:27,880 --> 01:53:30,120
Speaker 2: of the leadership flew down there and barged in and

2065
01:53:30,200 --> 01:53:34,040
Speaker 2: yelled at everyone for betraying the movement by betraying their authority,

2066
01:53:34,120 --> 01:53:37,120
Speaker 2: and called them the enemies of the people. The Young

2067
01:53:37,120 --> 01:53:40,919
Speaker 2: Lord's Party changed their name to Puerto Rican Revolutionary Workers Organization,

2068
01:53:42,360 --> 01:53:46,000
Speaker 2: which isn't so catchy. They demoted their central leader for

2069
01:53:46,120 --> 01:53:50,800
Speaker 2: being too petty bourgeoisie. And that's kind of the tail

2070
01:53:50,880 --> 01:53:52,880
Speaker 2: spin of the New York chapter. As far as I

2071
01:53:52,880 --> 01:53:57,120
Speaker 2: can tell, Chicago kept going and individuals from all of

2072
01:53:57,160 --> 01:54:00,479
Speaker 2: this right and like people still doing things as young

2073
01:54:00,560 --> 01:54:06,080
Speaker 2: Lords did a lot of stuff Chicago, in particular, their

2074
01:54:06,120 --> 01:54:09,800
Speaker 2: moment seemed kind of gone, and I don't know enough

2075
01:54:09,840 --> 01:54:12,920
Speaker 2: to do the rest of it real justice. A lot

2076
01:54:12,960 --> 01:54:15,839
Speaker 2: of Chicago Young Lords sort of move into the electoral sphere,

2077
01:54:17,000 --> 01:54:19,599
Speaker 2: are involved in getting I think, I want to say

2078
01:54:19,680 --> 01:54:23,840
Speaker 2: Chicago's first black mayor elected. Oh wow, like ten years

2079
01:54:23,880 --> 01:54:26,360
Speaker 2: later or so, it's not in the scripts around the

2080
01:54:26,439 --> 01:54:29,000
Speaker 2: numbers in front of me. A ton of them stayed

2081
01:54:29,040 --> 01:54:32,120
Speaker 2: really radical and keep kept doing good work. I don't

2082
01:54:32,160 --> 01:54:33,840
Speaker 2: really want to linger on their fall. I want to

2083
01:54:33,840 --> 01:54:36,000
Speaker 2: stay with most of what they did, but I will

2084
01:54:36,040 --> 01:54:39,000
Speaker 2: mention one of the young lords, one of their lawyers

2085
01:54:39,000 --> 01:54:42,840
Speaker 2: who helped them out a lot. He went on to

2086
01:54:42,880 --> 01:54:43,840
Speaker 2: become a famous man.

2087
01:54:44,600 --> 01:54:48,240
Speaker 4: Oh no, I know you're talking about.

2088
01:54:47,800 --> 01:54:49,520
Speaker 2: The Republican Fox News host.

2089
01:54:50,240 --> 01:54:52,360
Speaker 4: Oh my god, her.

2090
01:54:52,320 --> 01:54:54,520
Speaker 2: Name, his name is Heraldo Rivera.

2091
01:54:54,960 --> 01:55:05,960
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I mean taking my fucking head. I

2092
01:55:06,080 --> 01:55:11,040
Speaker 4: prefer to remember Huan Gonzales instead. Yeah, oh, co step

2093
01:55:11,080 --> 01:55:12,120
Speaker 4: democracy now.

2094
01:55:12,480 --> 01:55:15,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, that's right. Yeah, and fucking and your

2095
01:55:15,840 --> 01:55:19,879
Speaker 2: uncle who fucking quit. Yeah yeah, he's not actually related.

2096
01:55:20,840 --> 01:55:23,400
Speaker 4: Well we're going to see about that. Okay, okay, I'm

2097
01:55:23,440 --> 01:55:26,200
Speaker 4: scared of DNA websites. So I don't do that, but

2098
01:55:26,600 --> 01:55:30,680
Speaker 4: I'll do some I'll do some googling, yeah and find him,

2099
01:55:31,200 --> 01:55:32,400
Speaker 4: write him a random email.

2100
01:55:32,840 --> 01:55:39,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, no. And it's like every some cliche. I

2101
01:55:39,960 --> 01:55:41,640
Speaker 2: learned a long time ago that like every story is

2102
01:55:41,680 --> 01:55:43,080
Speaker 2: a tragedy if you don't know when to end it,

2103
01:55:44,280 --> 01:55:48,120
Speaker 2: you know, because like all of us die, right, everything passes.

2104
01:55:49,560 --> 01:55:53,320
Speaker 2: But god damn, they got so much done.

2105
01:55:53,560 --> 01:55:54,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2106
01:55:54,680 --> 01:55:58,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, And also there are so many of these members

2107
01:55:58,360 --> 01:56:01,720
Speaker 4: who even if they didn't get famous or something, you know,

2108
01:56:01,760 --> 01:56:05,600
Speaker 4: there was still like incredible community activists and yeah, you

2109
01:56:05,640 --> 01:56:09,400
Speaker 4: know are doing or making an amazing art. One woman

2110
01:56:11,360 --> 01:56:16,680
Speaker 4: made a really great documentary called That's Really Great on YouTube.

2111
01:56:16,920 --> 01:56:20,920
Speaker 4: So yeah, they're still out there and there's still total badasses.

2112
01:56:21,240 --> 01:56:24,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so fucking good. I listened to a bunch

2113
01:56:24,680 --> 01:56:26,840
Speaker 2: of different interviews where yeah, you can still listen to

2114
01:56:26,880 --> 01:56:29,760
Speaker 2: interviews where like the guy who stole the van, who's like, yeah,

2115
01:56:29,760 --> 01:56:32,400
Speaker 2: we stole the van, and like the woman who like

2116
01:56:32,920 --> 01:56:36,160
Speaker 2: staffed the table in the host in Lincoln Hospital and

2117
01:56:36,240 --> 01:56:37,840
Speaker 2: just was like every day I'm gonna sit in the

2118
01:56:37,840 --> 01:56:39,880
Speaker 2: butcher shop and let people tell me what's wrong here,

2119
01:56:40,800 --> 01:56:48,520
Speaker 2: you know, like still alive like still fucking yeah. Well

2120
01:56:49,560 --> 01:56:53,280
Speaker 2: that's uh, that's the Young Lord's. That's the first four

2121
01:56:53,280 --> 01:56:56,600
Speaker 2: partter I ever wrote. The second one we recorded, but

2122
01:56:58,360 --> 01:57:00,160
Speaker 2: I don't know any any other final.

2123
01:57:01,120 --> 01:57:03,600
Speaker 4: Well, no, I think we said it all. I guess,

2124
01:57:03,680 --> 01:57:07,040
Speaker 4: you know. For me, what I really took away from

2125
01:57:07,320 --> 01:57:10,920
Speaker 4: learning about the Young Lords is just is how important

2126
01:57:11,320 --> 01:57:13,760
Speaker 4: it was for them and it is for us to

2127
01:57:14,360 --> 01:57:18,880
Speaker 4: listen to the folks that live around us, to listen

2128
01:57:18,960 --> 01:57:22,200
Speaker 4: to people who you know, if you're someone like me

2129
01:57:22,240 --> 01:57:24,680
Speaker 4: who's an artist, I think it's really important for me

2130
01:57:24,760 --> 01:57:27,800
Speaker 4: to listen to people who have to fucking work every

2131
01:57:27,880 --> 01:57:32,880
Speaker 4: day and or are much older than me, or you know.

2132
01:57:33,320 --> 01:57:36,000
Speaker 4: I think that was something that I really inspired me

2133
01:57:36,400 --> 01:57:39,520
Speaker 4: about them is their ability in the beginning to listen

2134
01:57:40,160 --> 01:57:43,960
Speaker 4: to their community about what they wanted and needed, yeah,

2135
01:57:44,760 --> 01:57:45,040
Speaker 4: you know.

2136
01:57:46,320 --> 01:57:48,480
Speaker 2: And just like create a fucking to do list and

2137
01:57:48,600 --> 01:57:52,760
Speaker 2: just started checking boxes off seriously. Yeah.

2138
01:57:52,800 --> 01:57:56,400
Speaker 4: And also the Berets were cool, let's just say it.

2139
01:57:58,000 --> 01:58:00,800
Speaker 2: And first organized by a fifteen year old who was like,

2140
01:58:01,000 --> 01:58:04,400
Speaker 2: I need fucking I need to like throw a bunch

2141
01:58:04,480 --> 01:58:07,080
Speaker 2: of dance shows to like make money to get us

2142
01:58:07,080 --> 01:58:13,160
Speaker 2: all cool black and for the whim. Yeah, well, if

2143
01:58:13,200 --> 01:58:16,400
Speaker 2: people want to listen to you. I will say everyone

2144
01:58:16,440 --> 01:58:18,120
Speaker 2: should go listen to song Polente. You should look it

2145
01:58:18,200 --> 01:58:20,440
Speaker 2: up on YouTube so you can watch the video. P

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Speaker 2: A l e n t E. I don't know where

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Speaker 2: the g A l a n t e a n

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Speaker 2: t E. Yeah, apologize.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a great music video directed by my friend

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Speaker 4: Chris Murk, who's an incredible director. My dad is in it,

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Speaker 4: which is really cool to see him pop up in there,

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Speaker 4: and a lot of there's the Pedro Pietri uh an

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Speaker 4: excerpt from his his poem Puerto Rican Obituary. And I

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Speaker 4: encourage anybody to just like go down the rabbit hole

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Speaker 4: of like how much amazing stuff was created from this movement,

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Speaker 4: like the new Arekan Poets Cafe and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's your new album called?

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Speaker 4: Well, my new album. I just finished recording it, so

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to reveal the name yet.

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Speaker 2: Oh I'm sorry I timed this past.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, it's okay. Uh, it's going to come out.

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Speaker 4: I hope it comes out sometime next year. I haven't

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Speaker 4: gotten the rough mixes back yet, so I'm going kind

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Speaker 4: of crazy because I want to hear what I did.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So this is what you're about to tour on.

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Speaker 4: No, I'm still touring on my last record. My last

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Speaker 4: record is called Life on Earth. It came out last February.

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Speaker 4: And I'll be out there playing music like on the

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Speaker 4: West Coast in May cool, and then in July. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 4: I'm going to be playing Portland cool. In July, I'll

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Speaker 4: be playing all around link the Midwest and stuff sick. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: So come see us, buy some merch, help us out where.

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Speaker 4: It's tough out there, hanging in there.

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Speaker 2: Hasn't been a good couple of years for career musicians.

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Speaker 2: Is that what we're saying?

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Speaker 4: Oh my god? Yeah, I get like, you know, a

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Speaker 4: glimmer of a penny anytime you listen to me on Spotify,

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Speaker 4: So head over to band camp. I encourage everyone to

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Speaker 4: get music off band camp on band Camp Fridays. It

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Speaker 4: really helps us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I try and buy albums and then I do

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Speaker 2: a lot of my listening on Spotify, but I like

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Speaker 2: it's nice to also buy it, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, yeah, totally, Yeah, it all helps.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what else can I pitch? I'm going to kickstart

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Speaker 2: a tabletop role playing game this summer.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 2: I've been working on a stabletop role playing game called

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Speaker 2: The Number City for like ten fucking years, and I'm

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Speaker 2: working with a really good crew of people. If you

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Speaker 2: want to play Gangs Versus the Goding tabletop role playing game,

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Speaker 2: you should check that out once it gets kickstarted. I

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Speaker 2: think I don't want to. I know what dates. I

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Speaker 2: think we're going to kickstart it, but I don't want

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Speaker 2: to say it. I don't want to be wrong. And

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Speaker 2: then I'm going to be another tabletop role playing game

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Speaker 2: I'm writing for oh that was not announced yet. Ah,

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Speaker 2: stupid things with things and controlling information. That's what I got.

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Speaker 2: And also my most recent book is Escape from Insult Island,

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Speaker 2: and if you want quick adventure, read it's a very

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Speaker 2: short book. If you have a I get a lot

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Speaker 2: of messages from people who are like, I don't read

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Speaker 2: much because I don't have the attention span for it anymore.

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Speaker 2: But I can read your books. Takes only a couple

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Speaker 2: hours to read it Escape from Insul Island, And he'd

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Speaker 2: be like, I read a whole last book because it's

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Speaker 2: about one hundred pages long. Uh. And you can also

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Speaker 2: get my friend Jamie's book called raw dogged Rall Dog,

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Speaker 2: Oh God Dog, Okay, you can get Jamie's book, which

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Speaker 2: is about hot dogs. I don't know what you're talking about, Margaret,

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Speaker 2: there's no double euphemism there. I'm fucking literally blushing. I

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Speaker 2: think we got to end the episode. It's over, We're done.

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Speaker 2: You did it.

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