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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in hour two Friday edition, Clay Travis Buck

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Speaker 2: Sexton Show.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.

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Speaker 2: We've been breaking down everything in the world of Trump

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Speaker 2: and also US Canada and the pharmaceuticals and more. Buck,

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Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit about this Ukraine United States

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Speaker 2: rupture to the extent we call it a rupture in

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Speaker 2: a pursuit of a ceasefire.

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Speaker 1: And there's a bunch of interesting.

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Speaker 2: Dynamics on this and what has been happening and where

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Speaker 2: we are exactly as it pertains to this decision making.

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Speaker 1: And that's a lot of words to say this.

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Speaker 2: Trump has ratcheted up the pressure on Zolensky on a

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Speaker 2: level that never existed during the Biden administration, saying we're

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Speaker 2: not going to give you an unlimited check. We need

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Speaker 2: now to find a way to peace. And Elon Musk

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Speaker 2: was asked about this. I'm gonna play a really good description,

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Speaker 2: I believe of uh Marco Rubio, who we had on

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Speaker 2: last week Secretary of State, laying out exactly why the

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Speaker 2: United States is upset with what Zelensky has been doing

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Speaker 2: in public and where this all comes from.

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Speaker 1: Uh, But in particular, Elon yesterday was.

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Speaker 2: Speaking and said, people say, I'm a bought asset of Putin.

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Speaker 2: He couldn't afford me, which is quite the flex. H

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Speaker 2: listen to cut six.

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Speaker 3: People like what I'd like to end this say.

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Speaker 4: Like, yeah, you know, I'm a bought asset of Putin.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, he can't afford me. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: you're worth more than less. Think about it.

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Speaker 5: True, by the way, and that's why it's funny, because

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Speaker 5: it is true.

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Speaker 2: That is an incredible flex to be able to put

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Speaker 2: that out there. And so in a minute here Buck

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Speaker 2: Marco Rubio sat down and laid out what's going on,

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Speaker 2: and in essence, it is that Zolensky has been saying

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Speaker 2: publicly different things than what he's been saying privately. Yes,

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Speaker 2: And if you are involved in a negotiation on any

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Speaker 2: subject out there and someone says something different face to

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Speaker 2: face with you than they say, then publicly you can

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Speaker 2: understand where the anger would come from from Trump. And

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Speaker 2: initially Zolensky has been dishonest with American negotiators, either face

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Speaker 2: to face or publicly. His story is not adding up

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Speaker 2: and so the United States is finally saying publicly, hey,

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Speaker 2: you don't have a blank check for ever, and also, hey,

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Speaker 2: a settlement of some form.

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Speaker 5: What do the people who oppose Trump on this want

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Speaker 5: for Ukraine for the next two years? What is the

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Speaker 5: end goal that they are putting forward. I mean that

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Speaker 5: that's where I think the conversation becomes much more clear.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of rhetoric about oh, but democracy and

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Speaker 5: standing with Ukraine and Rushes the aggressor and all this stuff.

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Speaker 5: All of that is and maybe or maybe and is true.

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Speaker 5: Whatever the point is, do you want the war to end?

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Speaker 5: If you don't want the war to end, why, and

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Speaker 5: what do you think is better than that? And what

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Speaker 5: you'd really have to have is somebody come forward to say,

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Speaker 5: I think if we just keep if we give the

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Speaker 5: Ukrainians another two hundred billion dollars of US taxpayer funding

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Speaker 5: able to defeat the Russian Federation and kick them out

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Speaker 5: of Ukraine entirely and have all of their sovereignty back.

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Speaker 5: That's the only really otherwise what they're saying is nonsense

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Speaker 5: and really pretty immoral, which is that they don't want

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Speaker 5: saying that is, anybody who understands the order of battle

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Speaker 5: And we're getting to the point now where the war

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Speaker 5: and beyond, because in Ukraine they're taking guys who are

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Speaker 5: far older than what we usually think of as a

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Speaker 5: going to be Ukraine first. The even scarier thought that

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Speaker 5: he probably wouldn't have that helmet or that keV lord

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Speaker 5: there's not I understand, they're fighting a war. It's a

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Speaker 5: very you know, it's a very horrific thing. But America

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Speaker 5: has been more than generous to help a country that

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Speaker 5: I still think, if you're looking at what is in

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Speaker 5: our strategic interest, who's in control of the Donbas region

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Speaker 5: of Ukraine really doesn't matter to us very much. And

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Speaker 5: that is just the cold hard reality of it.

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Speaker 2: And what Trump is trying to do now is there

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Speaker 2: is an expectation that Ukraine has substantial mineral rights and

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Speaker 2: you're gonna hear this from Marco Rubio in a moment.

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Speaker 2: And given the fact that we have given Ukraine hundreds

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Speaker 2: Trump is saying, if you want us to help in

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Speaker 2: this conflict, we should get some of these mineral rights,

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Speaker 2: and then the United States is incentivized in some way

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Speaker 2: to help protect Ukraine going forward because we're partners on

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Speaker 2: a business relationship, and that would theoretically dissuade Russia from

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Speaker 2: deciding to invade again. Because the real concern Buck is

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Speaker 2: let's say you solve this now and then Putin decides, Hey,

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Speaker 2: you know what, I need more territory. You're trying to

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Speaker 2: resolve this so that it doesn't continue forever. And remember

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Speaker 2: this all started with Crimea, with the way that Barack

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Speaker 2: Obama responded when Russia decided they wanted to take some

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Speaker 2: of Ukraine's territory. So I think Marco Rubio, Secretary of State,

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Speaker 2: does a really good job of laying out exactly what

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Speaker 1: This was an interview he did today.

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Speaker 6: Listen, Frankly, I was personally very upset because we had

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Speaker 6: a conversation with President Zelensky, the vice president and I

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Speaker 6: to two three of us and we discussed this issue

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Speaker 6: about the mineral rights, and we explained to them, look,

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Speaker 6: we want to be a joint venture with you, not

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Speaker 6: we think that's actually a security guarantee. If we're your

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Speaker 6: partner in an important economic endeavor, we get to get

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Speaker 6: paid back some of the money the taxpayers have given

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Speaker 6: we have a vested interest in the security of Ukraine.

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Speaker 6: And he said, sure, we want to do this deal.

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Speaker 6: It makes all the sense in the world. The only

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Speaker 6: thing is I need to run it through my legislative process.

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Speaker 6: They have to approve it. I read two days later

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Speaker 6: that Zelenski's out there saying I rejected the deal. I

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Speaker 6: told them no way, that we're not doing that. Well,

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Speaker 6: that's not what happened in that meeting. So you start

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Speaker 6: to get upset by somebody. We're trying to help these.

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Speaker 2: Guys, Okay, So I think that's a pretty good explanation

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Speaker 2: of what's going on. And when you have people saying

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Speaker 2: work with them, And that's really kind of where Trump is.

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Speaker 2: And look, Marco Rubio took you into the room. It's

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Speaker 1: I'm going to see off.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's interesting as well that the expectation somehow

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Speaker 5: on all of this is that America is supposed to

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Speaker 5: back Ukraine because it's the right thing to do. Well,

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Speaker 5: you know, you know, I've got a number of friends

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Speaker 5: who are lawyers. You're a friend, you're a lawyer. I've

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Speaker 5: lawyers before Clay that the most some of their favorite

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Speaker 5: words to hear as litigators is when someone says, it's

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Speaker 5: the principle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great gig.

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Speaker 5: It's the principle of the thing. When you're suing somebody

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Speaker 5: get from the situation. You're just I want this thing

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Speaker 5: not supposed to run foreign policy that way. Actually, And

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Speaker 5: this is where Trump differs from a lot of the

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Speaker 5: You know, it's you know, we're gonna oh bad things

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Speaker 5: I mean, how many people who even know you see,

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Speaker 5: there were seventy Christians were beheaded. I saw this in

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Speaker 5: You can make a humanitarian argument that oh my gosh,

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Speaker 5: go right away. Well, the question you have to ask

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Speaker 5: Ukraine it's why the war has grinded on for two

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Speaker 2: What Trump is offering seems imminently rational. Hey, we will

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Speaker 5: I just feel like it's so clear that the sooner

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Speaker 2: We are joined now by our friend Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson,

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Speaker 3: Now, yeah, I was the chairman of the European Subcommittee

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I was not in his son bull, but

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Speaker 3: But again they had a peace agreement, as we're told,

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Speaker 5: Do you think Senator Johnson appreciate you being with us?

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Speaker 3: Well as soon as possible. Again, I'm not going to

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Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 2: Let's go into the budget situation, long night in the Senate.

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Speaker 2: A lot of things that are going to be occurring.

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Speaker 3: by Parson spending spree, spent almost six point six trillion.

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Speaker 3: And I've said this in the past. No family, if

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Speaker 3: they had an illness, had to borrow fifty thousand dollars

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Speaker 3: pay medical bills. If that family never got well, you

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Speaker 3: wouldn't keep borrowing fifty thousand dollars and spend at that level.

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Speaker 3: That would be insane. But that's exactly what the federal

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Speaker 3: government done is done. The last five years, we've averaged

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Speaker 3: six point five billion dollars. Last year, we spent six

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Speaker 3: point nine This year, we're on a path to spend

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Speaker 3: seven point three trillion dollars, So four point four to

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Speaker 3: seven point three trillion dollars. That the sixty three percent increase,

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Speaker 3: while our population has grown two point six percent. So

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Speaker 3: what we need to do is we need to return,

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Speaker 3: like a family would, to some kind of pre pandemic

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Speaker 3: spending levels. I've laid out four options. What happened is

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Speaker 3: the Chairman Graham of the budget me took my option

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Speaker 3: where I said, us present Trump's own budget for twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty five. Back before he left office, he projected out

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Speaker 3: his budget for twenty twenty five. If you'd use his

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Speaker 3: numbers plus day, social Security, Medicare, and interest, he'd be

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Speaker 3: spending about six six trillion, sixty one billion dollars. That

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Speaker 3: is what we used in the budget we passed last

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Speaker 3: night in the US Senate. I've laid on other options too.

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Speaker 3: If you use Clinton's spending from nineteen ninety eight and

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Speaker 3: you increase it by population growth and inflation, plus this

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Speaker 3: year's soci security, medicare, and interest, sa'd be five point

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Speaker 3: five billion dollars and we'd virtually have a balanced budget,

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Speaker 3: but other words, using Clinton's spending priorities inflate it. They'd

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Speaker 3: have a balanced budget. If you use Obama's spending priority

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Speaker 3: from twenty fourteen, it'd be six point two trillion dollars.

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Speaker 3: So I've laid up. I'd tell my colleagues, you all

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Speaker 3: campaign on zero based budgeting, right, we'll never do it,

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Speaker 3: but this is the next best thing. How about a

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Speaker 3: five point five or six point one trillion dollar based budget.

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Speaker 3: Let's do that. What the House is doing is they're

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Speaker 3: basically starting at seven point three trillion dollars and they're

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Speaker 3: suffering death by a thousand cuts because everybody looks, we

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Speaker 3: can't cut that, can't cut that, can't cut that, and

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Speaker 3: so the House budget. You know, listen, I appreciate the

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Speaker 3: difficult nature of this, appreciate what they're trying to do,

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Speaker 3: but they're basically going from seven point three trillion dollars

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Speaker 3: and at most they've cut two hundred billion from that

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Speaker 3: and let end up at seven point one trillion. It's

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Speaker 3: totally inadequate. It sounds like a big number. We're gonna,

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Speaker 3: you know, demand, We're gonna cut one point five trillion

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Speaker 3: dollars over ten years and we so what my message

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Speaker 3: to President Trump. I told this device President Vance when

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Speaker 3: he's in our lunch this week. I said, you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't think anybody, the voters for you either or

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Speaker 3: President Trump, expect you to be spending at present Biden's levels.

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Speaker 3: But that, in fact is what we're doing here. That's

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Speaker 3: what the House budget does.

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Speaker 5: Speaking to Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin and a senator,

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Speaker 5: there's been a lot of noise from Democrats, Senator, senate

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Speaker 5: colleagues of yours, various Democrat appointee judges from the federal bench,

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Speaker 5: trying to prevent access to these kinds of numbers about spending,

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Speaker 5: whether it's at the Treasury Department. I know the irs

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Speaker 5: has gotten a visit from DOGE. Do you think that

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Speaker 5: that's all being worked out and that Trump's you know,

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Speaker 5: stamp of approval on Elon and the Doze team to

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Speaker 5: go in and do this is going to be respected

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Speaker 5: or because to a lot of people, it just seems

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Speaker 5: like Democrats are obstructing something that should be truly bipartisan,

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Speaker 5: which is, let's see if they can find fraud, waste

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Speaker 5: and abuse, and where they find it, they should be

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Speaker 5: able to you know, the government should deal with it.

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Speaker 3: Well, Democrats use government to fund their radical left ideology

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Speaker 3: and they don't want the public to see it, and

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Speaker 3: so they are resisting it. You know, the good news

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Speaker 3: is the court so are actually supporting President Trump. I

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Speaker 3: completely support what Elon Musk is doing. And the narrative

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Speaker 3: is always unelected. For all the bureaucrats that refused to

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Speaker 3: turn over information to members of Congress and American public,

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Speaker 3: they are unelected. I have a far greater faith in

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Speaker 3: a representative from a duly elected president elected to do

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Speaker 3: just this going in there and uncovering this. So now

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Speaker 3: the trick's going to be just because Elon Musk and

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Speaker 3: no uncovers the waste for an abuse doesn't make it

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Speaker 3: go away. You know, we have to do that through

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Speaker 3: the legislay of the process. And again that's why I've

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Speaker 3: been supporting a keep it simple process. You what the

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Speaker 3: Senator is doing. Okay, let's first start by giving Trump

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Speaker 3: the resources he needs to secure the border to Tender's nation.

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Speaker 3: I would actually do a three step process. Next, I'd

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Speaker 3: come back using that same budget, by the way, in

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Speaker 3: passing that we use current policy on taxes, which means

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Speaker 3: all we have to do is come back at a

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Speaker 3: second reconciliation. Say we're going to extend the current tax code,

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Speaker 3: as complex as awful as it is. By doing that,

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Speaker 3: we would prevent a massive automatic tax increase that occurring

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty six. Then we come back in the third

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Speaker 3: round with a fiscal twenty twenty six budget, and that's

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Speaker 3: where we do all the other stuff. I mean, that's

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Speaker 3: where you skip fire rational as the tax code. That's

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Speaker 3: where we take a look at Trump's past proposals. That's

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Speaker 3: when we do the pre pandemic spending level. It's not

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Speaker 3: going to be easy. But as you're seeing the House,

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Speaker 3: the one big beautiful bill is one really complex bill,

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Speaker 3: which I think is probably one really impossible to pass

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Speaker 3: bill right off the bat. And President Trump needs the

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Speaker 3: border funding.

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Speaker 2: Now we're talking to Senator Ron Johnson. You made the analogy,

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Speaker 2: and I think it's a good one. In twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 2: we had a four point four trillion dollar budget. Democrats

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Speaker 2: but also Republicans signed on to blow up that bill.

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Speaker 2: That budget during COVID money just flew out. We ratcheted

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Speaker 2: up the national debt by a massive degree. Isn't there

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Speaker 2: also a pretty good historical analogy here. Look, we responded,

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Speaker 2: you know, and you've been on the show a lot.

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Speaker 2: Much of the government and much of society failed in

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Speaker 2: responding to COVID.

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Speaker 1: But if you go.

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Speaker 2: Back historically, during World War Two, we ratcheted up spending

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Speaker 2: massively for the federal government. But as soon as World

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Speaker 2: War Two was over, we dialed that back down and

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Speaker 2: came back to some form of sanity because we weren't

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Speaker 2: fighting the war anymore. Isn't it kind of crazy that

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Speaker 2: there's almost no debate about the budgetary policies that were

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Speaker 2: put in place during COVID being retracted at all. Like,

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Speaker 2: I don't think most people even contemplate or discuss this.

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Speaker 3: Well, one of the best things the uniparty has done

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Speaker 3: is they've transferred to discretion ate spending into the mandatory accounts.

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Speaker 3: So we've increased other mandatory now soci security, Medicare, or

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Speaker 3: even medicaid. We've increased from six hundred forty two billion

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Speaker 3: to one point three trillion to twenty nineteen. One of

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Speaker 3: things that this is three omnibuses ago. I asked my

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Speaker 3: senate colleagues Republican College to say, anybody know how much

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Speaker 3: in total the federal government spent last year. I asked

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Speaker 3: the Washington Washington Press Corps that nobody knew because we

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Speaker 3: never talked about it. One of the press guys said, well,

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Speaker 3: if it was over a trillion dollars, now that's the

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Speaker 3: crash train splaining. That's less than thirty percent of our budget.

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Speaker 3: So we put so much of a CE budget on

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Speaker 3: automatic pilots. We're supposedly the five hundred and thirty five

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Speaker 3: member boarder directors of the largest financial area of the world,

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Speaker 3: and we don't even know in total what we spent

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Speaker 3: now because of our race at issue three years ago,

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Speaker 3: people are aware, but they're looking at again. If you

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Speaker 3: started seven point three trillion dollars and try and cut

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Speaker 3: your way through pre pandemic level, you'll never get there.

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Speaker 3: You have to start at some pre pandemic level baseline. Again,

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Speaker 3: I've laid out Clinton nineteen ninety eight, in twenty fourteen,

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Speaker 3: I mean even Trump's twenty nineteen. If you inflate that,

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Speaker 3: you'd only be a six point five trillion. I still

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Speaker 3: think that's too high, but it's eight hundred billion dollars

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Speaker 3: below where we are right now, and it's over a

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Speaker 3: half a trillion below where the House is trying to

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Speaker 3: struggle passing a budget.

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Speaker 5: Thanks so much for being with us, Senator Ron Johnson.

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Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not saying the sat Is going to

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Speaker 3: have a good time or easy time getting down that level.

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Speaker 3: But at least our budget says six trillion sixty one billion.

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Speaker 5: Okay, Senator Ron Johnson, Wisconsin. Thanks for being with us, sir,

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Speaker 5: I'm told by our team you have three adopted Ukrainian kids.

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Speaker 5: You want to weigh in on the Ukraine situation. Go ahead, yes,

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Speaker 8: I'd like to preface this by saying I support President Trump.

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Speaker 8: I'm very happy he's president. I love what he's doing

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Speaker 8: with those However, I'm not happy with his recent comments

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Speaker 8: in Ukraine. I spent quite a bit of time in Ukraine.

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Speaker 8: They love freedom there, they want their independence. But this

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Speaker 8: The constitution in Ukraine actually does not allow for elections

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Speaker 8: during wartime. His popularity Ukraine is actually above fifty percent.

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Speaker 2: And so let me ask you this. Let me ask

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Speaker 2: it end?

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Speaker 8: So I agree with Trump that didn't needs to end.

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Speaker 8: I mean, the country's devastated. My daughter's orphanage has been bombed,

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Speaker 8: Like why are they bombing orphanages? Whuman is such an evil,

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Speaker 8: evil person, and obviously we're already upset about the war

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Speaker 8: and our family. So I agree that needs to end.

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Speaker 8: I agree with Trump. Probably Ukraine is going to have

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Speaker 8: to concede some land, maybe decrease two fourteen. I'm hoping

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Speaker 8: they can get that the land that's taken in the

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Speaker 8: last three years. I think. I think Trump is Russia

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Speaker 8: is not going to give up Crimea for sure. They

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Speaker 8: may have to say goodbye to don Bath. I agree

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Speaker 8: for negotiative settlement. I mean, I don't like it, but

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Speaker 8: it is what it is. But I don't know if

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Speaker 8: it's productive for him to exclude Blenty from talk. And

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Speaker 8: I don't definitely not productive to say that he should

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Speaker 8: have stopped the war. When Putin literally gave galentsy no choice,

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Speaker 8: he invaded. The only option they had was to advocate

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Speaker 8: and have no Ukraine, have no country, you have no language,

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Speaker 8: have no culture going.

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Speaker 5: Thank you very much for We're sorry, We're at the

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Speaker 5: end of the hour here. Appreciate you calling it, thank

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Speaker 5: you for sharing your perspective on it. Just in response

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Speaker 5: to some of the points that you raise, I would say, uh,

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Speaker 5: you know, Trump's only been in office for a month,

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Speaker 5: and it seems like it's finally realistic because you want

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Speaker 5: the war to end too, as we all do. It's

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Speaker 5: realistic that that may happen imminently. So as they say,

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Speaker 5: let the man cook, you know, he's he does his thing,

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Speaker 5: and you know he's not always it's not always the

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Speaker 5: way of the uh, you know, the diplomatic niceties that

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Speaker 5: are expected in these things. But the results are what

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Speaker 5: matter in this case, results that save lives and billions,

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Speaker 5: perhaps hundreds of billions of dollars a tax payer money.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I would submit to you that on some

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Speaker 2: level Trump is playing the bad guy, which may give

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Speaker 2: him more opportunity to get a deal done with Russia.

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Speaker 5: And it's like, you want to deal with Trump, you

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Speaker 5: want to deal with Rubio. You know, it's kind of

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Speaker 5: a good cop, bad cop situation. Rubio's like, look, I'm

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Speaker 5: the nice one here. I think for sure, Buck, you

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Speaker 5: are out for the weekend. We'll be back on Monday.

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Speaker 5: I'll close up shop last hour of the week.

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