1 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: Ah beaute force. If it doesn't work, you're just not 2 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: using enough. You're listening to Software Radio, Special Operations, Military 3 00:00:25,520 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: News and straight Talk with the guys and the community 4 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: Soft Prep Radio on Time on Target. It's actually just 5 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: Myselfie and Scotto with Kristen Beck. Because, um, if you've 6 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: been listening to the show as I was, tomm Christen 7 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: Jack Murphy just put out his book, Murphy's Law. It's 8 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: gonna be out soon, but he opted to do the 9 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: audio book and so during the morning because he's been 10 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,119 Speaker 1: recording that audio book, which I don't know if because 11 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: you have a book out, I don't know if you 12 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: ever did the audio book thing. I never did audio 13 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: book because he was asking me about it and ask 14 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: me how long it's gonna take. And I don't think 15 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 1: people realize how big of a pain in the acid 16 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: is to get everything perfect exactly. Probably I want to 17 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: have some different voices and some sound effects on some things. 18 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: All that, and then also you don't realize like when 19 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: you read something that you're reading it incorrectly, you have 20 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: to go back. Um anyway, getting into everything. I feel 21 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: like this audience knows you former Navy seal several Seal 22 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: Team retired, Navy Seal retired, Navy Seal once the Seal 23 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 1: always retired. You gotta give me a credit. Brother. I've 24 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 1: been told I can't say Xavy. Actually there's a few 25 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: people you can probably say x Navy Seals where they're tried, 26 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: and we're actually, yeah, when we're at Seal Team one, 27 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: and I think Brandon was that Seal Team one. At 28 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: the same time, we had a guy who left the 29 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 1: team for a while and he was gone long enough. 30 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: I think he was gone for like two years, and 31 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 1: he came back to Seal Team one. He came back. 32 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 1: They said, hey, you've been gone for a couple of years. 33 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: You have to go back through the qualification course. It's 34 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: called STT Backing all day Seal Team Tactics or Tactical training, 35 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 1: and uh, that's the advanced skills. So you go do 36 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 1: uh the reaching and you do a bunch of the 37 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: CQB and stuff just to get you back into the group, 38 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 1: you know. And the guy was like, well, I'm not 39 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: gonna do that, and he says, well, then you can 40 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: do that. He can go to Rangers school. He was like, 41 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 1: I'm not going to Ranger school and Uh, he said, 42 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: I'm going right back into a platoon. And he's being 43 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 1: kind of cocky about it to the mass chief and 44 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: been to the CEO from what I end up going to. 45 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: He took to tried it though, and he says, I'm 46 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: not going to that school. And he says, I'm willing to, 47 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: you know, bet might try to that. I'm not gonna 48 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: go there. You're gonna put me right intof platoon. And 49 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: he saw you back to see you in the corner. 50 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: And so the CEO took his tried and says, all right, 51 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 1: thank you're no longer seal and opened his drawer and 52 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: through this thing in a drawer and he took away 53 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: his Wow, he took it away totally. So that's an 54 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: ex seal. That's crazy. Isn't going to Rangers School as 55 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: a seal kind of like a form of punishment. I've 56 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: heard that before. Totally a punishment because there's sore to 57 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: how the Rangers out there. But there's a few seals 58 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: I think we have been on the show that went 59 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: through Rangers. Yeah, but you never. The thing with Ranger School, 60 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: it's a it's a great school. Uh, I mean college 61 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: kids go there, you know. The West Pointers and it's 62 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: a leadership school, so you're learning a lot of really 63 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: good skills. You're learning how to run, you know, patrol 64 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: tactics with a squad and a platoon. He learned a 65 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: lot of really great you know, leadership and skills. And 66 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: you're also starving to death pretty much every day. You're 67 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: getting one one emery a day or a little bit 68 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: more than that. I don't know. I know that you 69 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: get starved because guys get out of there. They're just skinny, 70 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: and we don't need that in the teams. You know, 71 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: we don't want, you know, a skinny guy that can 72 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,799 Speaker 1: run twenty miles and starve, you know, because we're we're 73 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: doing a I don't know. It's it's a weird comparison 74 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: between seals and rangers, you know what. The mission is 75 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: so different. I did because I was part of every 76 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: kind well, I was part of every condo team, and 77 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: when I was in Virginia Military's two, I was in 78 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: a ranger for tune. So we did we mimicked a 79 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 1: lot of the stuff that was going on within Ranger School. 80 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: I mean, because of the documentary that you were a 81 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: part of all that, I feel like people don't even 82 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 1: know your entire military industry, which is pretty expansive, and 83 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 1: everybody jumps on me about all kinds of other craft 84 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 1: and I was like, man, that's why I told you. 85 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: When you call and says, hey, you want to do 86 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: a show, and I was like, yeah, but don't talk 87 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: about anything about Paris and anything. I'll talk about military. 88 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: I'll talk I actually feel like the audience who only 89 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: knows you for that stuff might not know all the 90 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: things that you've done and all the Seal teams you've 91 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 1: served with, because you've been on seal fists, right, and 92 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: which I'm allowed to say, I think because I call it. 93 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: I remember reading um Rob O'Neil's book, and I don't 94 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: know if you've seen it, how Seal Team six or 95 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: dev grew is blacked out in every section, which is 96 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: just it's kind of silly, right because we all know 97 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: what he's talking about. And uh, Jack has said this 98 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: before too, and I've gotten emails. We have former Delta 99 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: Force guys on the show, and people say, don't say 100 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: Delta Force, say the unit. But as Jack says, whether 101 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: we say the unit, everybody knows that we're talking about 102 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 1: the unit. I'm being really sneaky. Yeah, I think you 103 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: should kind of run through that for the audience of 104 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: of where you started in the Seals and and all 105 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: the different things that you've done. All right, well, Buds 106 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: Class one seven nine. I was Fastically. I learned about 107 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: the Seals kind of late because I wanted to go 108 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: into the Rangers. I wanted to do Special Forces all 109 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: the army stuff. But then I found out what the 110 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: Seals for. This the awesome movie with Charlie Sheen, that's 111 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: the same thing. Well, it was a terrible movie. I 112 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 1: can't stand like, I'll look back at the movie now 113 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: and it's just the most ridiculous movie. And the same 114 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: thing with g I Jane, that's ridiculous. There's just somewhat 115 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: stuff and you're like, oh my god. So I uh 116 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: so I saw that movie and I was like, holy ship. There, 117 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: you know, parachuting, skydive and scuba dive in they're riding 118 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: around the boats and they're doing all this stuff. And 119 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 1: I was a water person, you know, my whole life, 120 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: you know, growing up around the ocean and surfing and 121 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: all that, and so I was like, well, with Rangers 122 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 1: and Special Forces, those guys don't do all this cool stuff. 123 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: So I went down to the Navy recruiter and I 124 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 1: was talking to him about it. They showed me a video, 125 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 1: the recruiting video, which was again U D T shorts 126 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: and T shirts and doing push ups and it was 127 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: like a motivation video that was like it was like, man, 128 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: those guys are awesome, you want to do it? And 129 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: uh this was right during Desert Shield, Desert Storm and 130 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: all that was going on, and so right at that point, 131 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: I watched the video and I said, hey, yeah, this 132 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: is what I want to do. You and the wars 133 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: going on, and I'm gonna be there. So I went 134 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: down to recruiting station. I already had ASSAB scores and 135 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: I think I had like a ninety eight or something, 136 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: so I could pretty much do whatever I wanted in 137 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: that with that score. So they said, I said, I 138 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: want to be a Seal. They said, well, you're gonna 139 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: have to go to boot camp, and then at boot 140 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: camp you'll raise your hand and volunteer for because they're 141 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: gonna show you the recruiting video and you just saw 142 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: and then you volunteer for it. And I was like, 143 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: all right, sounds good to me. So I went right 144 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: into regular boot camp, and I was going in as 145 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: a quartermaster and UH put my hand in. Their volunteered 146 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: and there was like a hundred people volunteered and two 147 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: of us actually qualified to go. And so they caught 148 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: us orders right out of boot camp to go to 149 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: UH our A school that we were assigned, and then 150 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: after we finished the A schools, then we would go 151 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: to BUDS and that's what I did. So I started 152 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: Buds in UH. And so it's a while because I 153 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: feel like most of the people on the show are 154 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: like guys who started during the war. Entire many people 155 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: come on here and say that nine eleven inspired them 156 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: to join the military, but well, it was similar to 157 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: me that. I mean, you know, I got inspired because 158 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: I was like, hey, we're going to war, you know, 159 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: and I think everybody has thought that desert shield, there's 160 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: a storm. When the whole thing started really cranking up, 161 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: it was gonna be a long drawn out, you know, 162 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: a lot longer than what was it like ten days 163 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: or something. It was really short. I'm nineteen born in 164 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty six, I do remember it was short. But yeah, six, yeah, dang, yeah, 165 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel old sometimes, but I get 166 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: but I would. I would have never guessed. Okay, that 167 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: is that bad? Am I an old man? We let 168 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: have beard on you and you kinda yeah, you have 169 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: old soul. If I save the beer, it looked like 170 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: a um and then which you served. As I said 171 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,719 Speaker 1: on several Siel teams which were so well, I went 172 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: to Buds and I, uh, I just worked hard and stuff. 173 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: I'm not the fastest swimmer runner. I'm not. I'm not 174 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: the best on Oak course or all that. But tell 175 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: you what. When I was going through Buds, you know, 176 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: I'd finished a four mole run and we running boots 177 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: into sand, you know, full cammies and boots on sand, 178 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: and I was doing a four mile run in uh 179 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: it's about twenty four minutes so, and that was boots 180 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: and sands. So that's pretty quick. Yeah, absolutely. But the 181 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: thing is I would finish that, you know, six minute 182 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: miles for four miles on sand. I would finish it, 183 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,839 Speaker 1: and I'd be thrown up. I would could put every 184 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: every ounce of everything I had into every run, into 185 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: every swim and every time I did the Oak course. 186 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: That's what my mindset was. I'm going to be at 187 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: the top. You know, nobody's gonna ever beat me, and 188 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: so I ended up graduating at the top to class 189 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: from from my buds class. It seems the fastest swimmer 190 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: runner or the oak course, everything I just kicked. But yeah, 191 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: it seems like that's just the mentality of all of 192 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: these guys is it's not necessarily about who's the most 193 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: genetically gifted to be the best run. It's all about heart, yeah, 194 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: and and mindset and and having that mental toughness. It 195 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 1: seems like, yeah, we had an an Olympic athlete, was 196 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: Olympic swimmer that was gone through buds and I didn't 197 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: make it. And so you can beat Olympic caliber if 198 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: you want to, and you don't have the heart, you know, 199 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: you think that you're athletic proudness is going to be 200 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: all you need. You're sorely mistaken, because that's that's a 201 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: good part of it, but that's not all of it. 202 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: And I've seen really great athletes, people are way better 203 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: than me, and I would beat them all the time, Yeah, 204 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 1: because they just didn't have the heart. When when did 205 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: you actually retire? In two thousand eleven, I went to 206 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: two thousand eleven. That's just a little out of twenty years. Yeah, 207 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: that's just twenty years. Well as someone who the time 208 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,959 Speaker 1: Seal Team six, what's your take on you know, like 209 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: DEV grew. Uh, you know a lot of the controversy going. 210 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many things that we've heard about. 211 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: You were in there during some of that time, I assume. 212 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: Well also, I, uh, I was different. So I got 213 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: recruited to go to de Gate. So I had a 214 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: bunch of skills and things that they wanted. I was 215 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: flying u v s and I was doing all the 216 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: sneaky peeky stuff. And so when I went to DEV group, 217 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: I didn't go through Green Team, so I skipped over 218 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: all that stuff and I went right in and started 219 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: doing doing the work. Yeah. So uh so there's a 220 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: huge debate about that too. That was never part of 221 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: the team, and I was like, yeah, I was. I 222 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 1: had full orders. I was there. I was permanent station, 223 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 1: that was my duty station, and I had my jobs 224 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: and I was running tattoo surveillance stuff. And then I 225 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: uh was cut over to a joint task Force for 226 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: some of my skills to go help out another task 227 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: force and uh to do the stuff I was doing. 228 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: So I went through farm schools and all the sneaky 229 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: pea stuff. So it was I had a weird career, 230 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,079 Speaker 1: but I was I got I got pulled in to 231 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: go there and everywhere. And this goes back to what 232 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: I was talking about, the buds thing that that it 233 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: was all about. I just worked so hard at it 234 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: and did everything I could. I wasn't the fastest doing 235 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: a quick draw, and uh so I stud in front 236 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: of the mirror for hours and hours every day after work, 237 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: So just going through the whole day doing seal team 238 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: train and doing whatever. I put my rig on, have 239 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: my hole stert everything on there, and have my pistol 240 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: and I would start doing fast draws and draws and 241 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: just facts and doing draws. And I did for hours 242 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: and hours, and then I ended up setting a record 243 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: at one of those shooting schools. And I wasn't originally 244 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: the fastest, but I worked so freaking hard at it, 245 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 1: and I just drew drew drew, and I got real 246 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: quick and I was just hitting the targets boom boom, boom, 247 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: boo boom, and it was off on a record board. 248 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: And here's are record words. This is at Shaw's. These 249 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: record boards go back to the seventies and they know 250 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: what they're the top ten. Some of them are from 251 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: the seventies, you know, these guys that were shooting way 252 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: back in the old days. So those records are long 253 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: standing records that you want to get up on there 254 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: if you get off the next score. And so I 255 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: knocked off somebody off that top ten that might have 256 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: been on there for thirty years? Is that still a record? This? 257 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: I mean the words are up there forever. I mean, 258 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: he's like I said, these record words go back to 259 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: the seventies and if you if you beat the time, 260 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 1: then your name goes up there. If you don't, sorry, 261 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: that's gotta be something you take huge pride in it. Yeah, 262 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: I'm proud of that. But the thing is, it's not 263 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: It's not me, you know, it's not it's not natural. 264 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: I just work so freaking hard at it, and I 265 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: think that everybody can do that. You just have to. 266 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: It's the heart, it's that the mindset. I'm not gonna 267 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: let this beat me. I'm not gonna quit. I'm not 268 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to be the best at this. And then 269 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: uh was that Matholm. Gladwell wrote that book about doing 270 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: a ten thousand repetitions or something I'm not sure it's 271 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: funny you mentioned it. I don't know, but it's about 272 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: black Swans and had something to look out. Yeah, you're 273 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: saying that. It does make me think of something I've heard, 274 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: like Arnold Schwarzenegger saying that everything in wife is just reps. 275 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: You know, those constant reps for for everything, whether it's 276 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,439 Speaker 1: shooting as you said, or it's it's for just anything. 277 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 1: How any radio shows have you done together? I mean, 278 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: it's so crazy. It went from you know, college to working. 279 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: It's seriously, it's it's weird though, um to get on 280 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: another tangent here. You know, I won't go to them. 281 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: But when I went to college, pod asking like wasn't 282 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: even a thing, which wasn't that long ago, and you know, 283 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: it's just a constant evolving medium. But I do know 284 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: what you mean. The first time I went on air, 285 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: I didn't know this would be something. And after a 286 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: hundred you started getting really into it. And that's what 287 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: I listened to shows and you can hear it, you know, 288 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: the guys who have been doing it for a long time. 289 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: That's one of the reasons why I like walk Out. Yeah, 290 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: that guy's professional. Absolutely, he's done so much for some 291 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: you know, decades of vienna radio on Top forty and 292 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: doing music and doing all that. So he has the 293 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: voice for it, and he also has the ability because 294 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: he's built that skill. Yeah. I don't know if you 295 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: feel this way though with um what you've done, but 296 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: with radio at least, I feel like there's guys and 297 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: women I've heard where you could tell right away whether 298 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: they're an amateur or not. This person has this natural 299 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: ability to do Yeah, And I think Andrew, for example, 300 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: was born to do this. He's amazing. He's the type 301 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: of I mean me and Mike the producer would joke 302 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 1: about you. You'd probably wake him up out of to 303 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: sleep at three am and be like, do a radio show, 304 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: and I think he'd be fine. And then there's other 305 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: people I've heard and they could keep trying and trying, 306 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: and it's just they don't have that ability to be engaging. 307 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: So I don't know if the same goes for swimming 308 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: or shooting, because I I don't have ability with this. Well, 309 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: it's definitely repetition. I mean, I think almost everything you 310 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: can think about if you really practice, and it goes 311 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: into like martial arts also, it's like You don't have 312 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: to know a hundred moves. If you know one or 313 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: two moves, you know, I'm really good. And you're just 314 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: like in your sleep if you're doing this flock and 315 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: doing that. That's like that Bruce Lee quote. Yeah, didn't 316 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: he say, I'm not scared of someone who you know, 317 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: is practiced. It's like a thousand moves two times, but 318 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: someone who's practiced, Yeah, it's exactly it. Yeah, and that's 319 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: the thing that people are remember. So back to the story. 320 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: So I finished, but I was tapping a class man. 321 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: I got my choice of Seal teams. I chose Seal 322 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: Team one because I'm front of East Coast and I 323 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: wanted to live in California. And I wasn't gonaware that 324 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: they let you choose only the top. Wow. Yeah, so 325 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: and that's like, that's much how my entire career went. 326 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: I was at Seal Team One. I did nine years. 327 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: I did a whole bunch of platoons and free fault 328 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: jump Master. I had all the skills. I had everything 329 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: I wanted as far as like the advance skills, you know, 330 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: dive Supervisor, free fall jump Master, they're reaching and range 331 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: super all this all the stuff that you need for qualifications, 332 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: And so I could walk into a platoon and I 333 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: could make a platoon just by myself because of all 334 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: the skills and all the qualifications I had, I could 335 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: bring up up to a level that they could deploy. 336 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: And uh so it was kind of sought after because 337 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: I had so many of those courses because also I'm 338 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: really good test taker and and I can they know 339 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: that if they send me to course on the pass 340 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: and free Fall jump Master was one of those courses 341 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: that especially and I don't think it's the same, but 342 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: in the old days, you could send somebody free Fall 343 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: jump Master and they'd probably fail the first time, and 344 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: there's a good chance I'll fail the second time, and 345 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: they'll get it on a third time, and sudden, the seals, 346 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: we just don't have that much time. You're just like, 347 00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: we need to send somebody there that we know is 348 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: going to pass. And so they always knew that whatever 349 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: course we sent to you to, you're gonna be a 350 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 1: top of class and you're gonna pass. Would be good. 351 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: Then we have the skill. It's an Army course to 352 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 1: the jump master courses. So we're stuck with the Army 353 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: qualification and trying to get rid of everybody, which is 354 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 1: a silly way to do it. Because free Fall jump 355 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,719 Speaker 1: Master it's one of those advanced courses. It's not a qualification. 356 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: It's not a washout system. You're trying to teach somebody 357 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 1: some really advanced skills and get unqualified to go back 358 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 1: to do the work. But they were washing people out. 359 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: I mean more than half the class got kicked out 360 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 1: when I was going through. It was ridiculous, total waste 361 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: of money. So that's a whole another subject. So I 362 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:40,239 Speaker 1: was Seal Team one. When I left there, I got 363 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: recruited up to sub Common the headquarters by Cowboy Wells. 364 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: He was a warm officer and he was up there 365 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: working on his mission planning system. And you're trying to 366 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: this is like the nineties or computers, think about think 367 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: about the mid to late nineties. Yeah, screen of death. 368 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: It was a constant. It was just such a such 369 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: a terrible time be trying to make this really advanced 370 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 1: the mission planning system. And he was trying to do this, 371 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: and uh, he knew that I was like having an 372 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: intel mission planning and I was computer savy because I 373 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,640 Speaker 1: was building my own computers. So I was I knew 374 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: what I was doing. I used to program computer stuff 375 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 1: and for trying Pascal and all these old you know, 376 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 1: prim bit of a language back in the all day. 377 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: So he knew this, and so he recruited me up 378 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: to the headquarters to help and write this program. And 379 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: UH they had hired this company to write the program 380 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 1: and do all the stuff and make this thing happen. 381 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: And they were showing the Admiral one day in the 382 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: UH in one of the conference rooms, here's the program. 383 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: And he started going through it, and they were saying, 384 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: this is gonna be the mission plan. And they're talking 385 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: about what the mission was gonna be, and in blue 386 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: Screen of Death and they were like, unplugged the big screen, 387 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: and I plugging another computer and started trying to pick 388 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: up from what I then and Blue Screen of Death. 389 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 1: The whole things went. It went sideways a couple of times, 390 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 1: and I put my hand in there. You know, this 391 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 1: is a little old. I think I might have just 392 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: made chief. And they were like, hey, Chief, you got 393 00:18:57,640 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: something you want to add. I was like, yeah, I've 394 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: been in my garage just kind of writing some stuff 395 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: and some program and I think I think mine work, 396 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: And uh, it's not gonna crash, and it's gonna be 397 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: exactly what we need. He said, all right, go ahead, 398 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: show us what we got. So I took the court 399 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 1: out of their thing and I plugged it into my 400 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 1: computer and to do started planning and don't find a screen. 401 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: They started seeing boats moving and stuff happening, and all 402 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: of it just started going on and they were like, well, 403 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: what if we don't really want it to be a 404 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: d A. We're gonna make this one, uh, this and this, 405 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: and they started changing the mission. I was like, yeah, 406 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: no problem. So I started plugging in different stuff and 407 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,919 Speaker 1: stuff was going boom boom boom bob. And he said, hey, 408 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: we're gonna have some explosives there too, And I said, 409 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: all right, how much c for? They told me, and 410 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: I just dialed it in and I said, the explosive 411 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: radios to be this much, we have to leave here, 412 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: and the time fuse can be that long. And they 413 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 1: were like wait what And so I started giving them 414 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:43,719 Speaker 1: like all this extra stuff and everything was perfect ran. 415 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,719 Speaker 1: So that company got fired and they took my program. 416 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 1: And you know what program you're still using today? Yere, 417 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: after twenty years, my stuff is still being used that's awesome. 418 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: Where do you even find the time to learn how 419 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 1: to program and learn computers as you're trying to be 420 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: the best swimmer, be the best shooter. Well, you always 421 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: have weekends. I guess it all plays into your competitive nature. 422 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: Which the competitive nature's also just if you want to 423 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 1: do something, just keep ongoing at it. And it took 424 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: me a lot of time to get to the point 425 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: when I had the program and everything was going and uh, 426 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 1: same thing. I just worked hard at it, and I 427 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 1: just kept just plugging away, you know. So I mean, 428 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 1: you're right, it's it's a lot of time. So then 429 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: I was at the headquarters for a while and then uh, 430 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: I was giving my mission planning briefing off of all 431 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: the stuff I was doing, and I was doing it 432 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: to the Master chief conference. This is all the mass 433 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: chiefs from all around the world. They were all in 434 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: one room and they were seeing what was on cutting edge, 435 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: what was going on in seals, and they were learning about, 436 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: you know, the rates, what was going on, and how 437 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: to advance people. So it's a lot of the administrative 438 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: skills that new mass chiefs and what people need to 439 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 1: know to run a seal team. And I was still 440 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: just a chief. I was at East seven, so I'm 441 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: in near Shawn on the mission planning system because this 442 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: is all still really new, cutting edge, and this is like, 443 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 1: this is right in the beginning of two thousand one, 444 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: so it's when like February March of two thousand one, 445 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 1: and uh so I started showing all the to them 446 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: and and they said, hey, this's awesome, and they loved it. 447 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: They said, hey, we're doing another course right after this, 448 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: and it's gonna be talking about uh evals and advancements 449 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 1: and then also doing how to cut orders. And you 450 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: can just sit down on this one if you want to, 451 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 1: because it's gonna be some good stuff for you. So 452 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: I sat in on a course and I was the 453 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,719 Speaker 1: only yet seven in there, and the mass chief up 454 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: on stage he started doing the evls and everything else, 455 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,479 Speaker 1: and he said, hey, hey, back, we're gonna pull up 456 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: your record and uh you might be ready for orders 457 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 1: here soon, so let's uh let's take a look at 458 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 1: your record and we'll see what we can plug you 459 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: in and how you're gonna get orders, and we're gonna 460 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 1: teach all the other mass chiefs how to cut orders 461 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: for chief. And I was like all right, whatever, So 462 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: they fold up my record and all the master chears, 463 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: we're reading through it and with all the calls and 464 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 1: everything else. So they started kind of bidding not on me. 465 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: So I had like a bidding war between Steal Team five, 466 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: Steal Team Mate, and I think Steal Team three. All 467 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: these mass chiefs were trying to get me because they 468 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: wanted the calls because it would pump up one of 469 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: their platoons. And uh so a teammate looked pretty cool. 470 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: I didn't really want to leave the West Coast. I 471 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 1: still like to playing on the West Coast. And then 472 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 1: the Team five match, you said, hey, hey, back, I 473 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: can get in a platoon. You know, the day you 474 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 1: cut over, you'll be a platoon chief and round platoon. 475 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: And I was like, I was like, all right, that 476 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: sounds cool. All right, let's do it. And so he 477 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: pushed the button up on stage right when I was 478 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: doing that in early two thousand and one, and I 479 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: was like, okay, your orders are cut. You're transferring to 480 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 1: Team five and uh three weeks and I was like 481 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 1: wait what So that's how I ended up going on 482 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: my next team. And then just a few months after this, Yeah, 483 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: then and when I haven't happens. And so I was 484 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: already in a platoon and uh Coggins was one of 485 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: my guys in a flatoon. I think that was the 486 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: platoon I was in. But I showed up there and I, uh, 487 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: it wasn't really a big like like a rucking team. 488 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: So I had everybody to uh thirty pounds sandbags into 489 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,239 Speaker 1: all the rocks and know them all out and get 490 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: them all downe and uh, I started having everybody doing 491 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: you know, twice a week, we're doing rock comps on 492 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: the beaches and just going up and down, you know, 493 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: and ten miles you know, and just working hard at that. 494 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: And they were like, what why are we doing this? 495 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: And I said, well and I said, if we get 496 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: into but you know, we're gonna be we're gonna be 497 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: going aways. And you guys were fisted. So didn't like 498 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: me at all. With the nine eleven happened, and then 499 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,479 Speaker 1: they were all the same things for all, Like I 500 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 1: was doing all this extra training. He was just like 501 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: after hours around weekend and say hey, let's go do 502 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: a rock comp on Saturday at such and such a time. 503 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 1: And they were freaking hate just being overprepared. That's a 504 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: great thing. So here's the funny new guys too. So 505 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,959 Speaker 1: I had all these new guys and Goggins was one 506 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 1: of the new guys in there, and it'll attested us. 507 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 1: But the new guys were in there, and I was like, hey, 508 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 1: we had these big lockers when you put all your 509 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: equipment everything in and I said, all the new guys, 510 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 1: you guys can't use the lockers, and so I put 511 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: padlocks and all the lockers they're empty. And I said, 512 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 1: you guys can have two pair of bags and that's all. 513 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: And you can have your two paira bags right in 514 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 1: front of your locker and I'll not expect him at 515 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: any time, so make sure to squared away and make 516 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: sure they're good. But everything you need for everything we're 517 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: gonna do for the next month has to be in 518 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: those two pair of bags and that's all. And then 519 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: we're freaking fist and you guys has hated me, and uh, 520 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: they got used to just working out of those two 521 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: fair bags. They didn't have this giant locker to just 522 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: have all the stuff all over and have second and 523 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: thirds of everything, because you only need a second of 524 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: certain things, you know, stuff that might break, you know 525 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 1: what I mean, you don't need the two of two 526 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: everything you know too, what is it two is one 527 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: and one is none? All that kind of thing. It's like, 528 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: it's not true. You don't need two of that. You 529 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: don't need two of that. If you have one of those, 530 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: you're fine. And if something happens, you know that a 531 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 1: fair of plyers, you know, or fence cutters be those 532 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: aren't gonna break. You don't need two pairs of fence cutters. 533 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,640 Speaker 1: So just one's good. So they got used to living 534 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: out of those bags. And then uh, after about doing 535 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: that for a couple of months, it was two or 536 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: three months of those guys living out of those two bags. 537 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: Then I cut all the locks off all the lockers 538 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: and I let them have their lockers. But they're still 539 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: kind of used to having their bags all set up. 540 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: And then uh, we went out on a ship and 541 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: doing some stuff and we had to have really small 542 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 1: amount of gear, and those guys are like they were 543 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: packed up and they were gone, and they were other 544 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: waiting and says why is it? And everybody so long? 545 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: So all the other guys because we get lazy. So 546 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: we didn't really know what the fact or how we 547 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: weren't good at it, but all the new guys were 548 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: just like they were kind of like pointing at it, 549 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 1: kind of laughing. But it was a lass and I 550 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: was like, hey, you guys have to be ready to go. 551 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: Everything packed in there and be able to do this 552 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: and then know you loved it. They were just like, 553 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: right on, man, learn some good lessons. Everything's packed away 554 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 1: good and I can get that. Get that. I know 555 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,919 Speaker 1: exactly what I need with no extras. That's cool. So 556 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: it's just less good. They might have hated it, but yeah, 557 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 1: they they figured out it was this means something, this 558 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 1: is the right way to do it. So some of 559 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 1: my training is pretty harsh, and I know that. I 560 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: definitely had some people are kind of they're pissed because 561 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: they were like, this is unnecessary, this is just overboard. 562 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: We don't need to do that now. But I was like, no, 563 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: this is good lessons. It's hard lessons. You'll never forget it. Yeah. 564 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 1: So one thing I was wondering with the competitive nature 565 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 1: that you have that made you become a seal, that 566 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: made you successful in all these things, well, I mean 567 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 1: that doesn't go away. What do you do with that 568 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: competitive nature now in your own life where you're at. 569 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, to sleep a lot. I'm a competitive sleeper, 570 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 1: but I would assume you still want to be the 571 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 1: best at something, and you are someone who still makes 572 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: an impact. You know, oftentimes when you make a statement, 573 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: it gets picked up everywhere. It's on TMZ. I mean, 574 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: because you stand out for obvious reasons. Well, touching on 575 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: this subject, just a little bit of my life I'm 576 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: living right now. It's a I'll tell you right now, 577 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: what if you could take America and you looked at 578 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: our entire country and you want to define American one word? 579 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: What's the word you would think of? And everybody, everybody 580 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: out there listening to think right now, what comes to 581 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: my mind would probably be diverse diversity for you. Yeah, 582 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 1: that's kind of weird. I mean, I don't know what 583 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: what what? You know? What I mean? It's also because 584 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: I live in New York, right, so people from the 585 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,199 Speaker 1: lb GT, you know, Q community, you see everywhere. You 586 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: also will see someone in a job, you know, and 587 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: everybody kind of just does their own thing. Okay, Well 588 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: I could be biased based on that, yeah, but I 589 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: mean also, yeah, okay, here's there, digging a little deeper. 590 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: And I didn't mean to make fun of you a 591 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,959 Speaker 1: little bit, but it was kind of funny. But what 592 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: what is it about America that allows that diversity? Hey, 593 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 1: there's a good one. So the constitution might be that's 594 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 1: better because that's more digging into the layers of what 595 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 1: gives us that diversity. And that's what a challenge everyone 596 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 1: out there to think about it is, like what's your word? 597 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 1: And then why is it that America gives us the diversity? 598 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 1: Why is it that America can give us that kind 599 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: of freedom and a constitution that's that's that's great because 600 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 1: that thing has been thought out and there's so much 601 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 1: in that that we just we don't. We take it 602 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,159 Speaker 1: for granted and we don't do it very well. And 603 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: if politicians they're down there, it's like a food fight 604 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: all the time. If the Democrats say something, Republicans jump 605 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 1: all over and if pob can say it's like, it's 606 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: it's terrible, it's the worst. I mean, there's one whereum 607 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 1: is the current president. It it just changes, it's gonna 608 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 1: be all right. So what's the guys? You know it's 609 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: not it's red. Yeah, what come on, dude, So what's 610 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 1: the word here? So if you're thinking about what our 611 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: country is and who we are as people, liberty, if 612 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: you think about something that we have got a lot 613 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 1: of other countries down't or or a lot of other 614 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: countries do have liberty and they have freedom, and there's 615 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 1: a lot of things they have. But our country, we 616 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: really were individualists. We're like that that loan, you know, 617 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: farmer out there, you know, driving the herd of cattle 618 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 1: across that's like when you think about it, you know, 619 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,120 Speaker 1: oh for sure. I mean, I think the liberty and 620 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: individual liberty. I've talked about this on the show with 621 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: Jack and and just in general. I mean, we are 622 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: actually pretty much the only major country out there truly 623 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: with free speech. And I think that is why people 624 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: are so bothered by these big tech tech companies banning 625 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: people and deep forming people. And I understand these are 626 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: private companies, so you know, that's a whole another debate. 627 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: But for example, as deplorable as it maybe in another country, 628 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: you write a book, you know, saying that the holocost 629 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: never happened, you will literally go to jail and here 630 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: the girl to cut your head off. You're allowed to 631 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: do that, you know, And I think actually even When 632 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: I talk to people from other cultures, they don't get 633 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: why someone like myself would defend that. It has nothing 634 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: to do with that I like that speech that I 635 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: think that speech is even acceptable. But that is what 636 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: makes America America. But that's what I want all the 637 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: politicians to see, is that we are special, that we 638 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: do hold that that individual liberty. And if this right here, 639 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: if me live in my life right now, is my 640 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: individual liberty, Isn't that what the Constitution offers me? Isn't 641 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: that what America offers me? Isn't that the Republicans and 642 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: Democrats and all those politicians down there, that's what they 643 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: should be working on, is how do we make everyone's 644 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: individual liberty to the masimum extent possible, but yet man 645 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: peenial to manage countries, collecting taxes to do the roads 646 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: and the bridges, and doing all the stuff they have 647 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: to do to keep everything running. But there should never 648 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: be a price to a person's individual liberty. And that's 649 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: that's what I wish people could understand, is that this 650 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with It has nothing to do 651 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: with your life, or your paycheck, or your family or 652 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: anything else. Has nothing to do with your church. This 653 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: is just me expression, This is my individual liberty. So 654 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: why can't have that? It sounds like you you're possibly 655 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: like acting to run for office again. What you did, 656 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: what you did try, you know, and I mean is 657 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: that something that you want to do because you're very 658 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: passionate about your beliefs and what you see this country 659 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: is standing for. So and I would love to see 660 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: the politician centers start understanding that compromises not a dirty word. 661 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: You know, you have to work together, you have to 662 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,959 Speaker 1: figure stuff out. You can't be enemies. You can be opponents. 663 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: And it's fine for Republicans and Democrats and the whole 664 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: thing down there. They're not enemies though their opponents and 665 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: their their issues are different. And we have to figure 666 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: this out and how how are we gonna make this work. 667 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: They don't care to make it work. They just want 668 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: to crush the other party. And it's ridiculous. It's it's 669 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: a wrong way to be running the country. The truth 670 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: is if you were to be an elected number of office, 671 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: that they just wouldn't be able to put you in 672 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: a box. No, not at all, you know, because of 673 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: you know, like I said that, your own background. But 674 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: then you being a seal you were not really completely 675 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: in a line with someone like a Dan Crunch drugs 676 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: now in office, you know, So I just I think 677 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: you'd be a tough person. Yeah it seems great. Yeah 678 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 1: it was. And the interesting thing was, I mean I like, 679 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: like when you're running the most Seals, because we have 680 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: such a hardcore backgrounds so similar, it's hard not to like, 681 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: you see a Seal Team guy, you're just like, hey, 682 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: yeah you're different. You're black or white, you're females. There's 683 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: only one so you're whatever you are. If you have 684 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: that Seal Team background, there's so much you have in common, 685 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: and you're just like you automatically just click talking to 686 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: the other day. Well yeah thing. Yeah for me and 687 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 1: Rob and you know we talk, we talk often enough, 688 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: and uh, at the same thing, we just start getting 689 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: into we might do a little bit of the you know, hey, 690 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: what what are you doing you know lately until that, 691 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: but then it goes right into like team guy stuff. Yeah, 692 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: it's just it real quickly, just you know, digresses right 693 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: back down and they're like, hey what about that? What 694 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: about that? And yeah, and we just start drinking some. 695 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: But what I was gonna say is doing this show, 696 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: I have learned more than ever that the military really 697 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: is in a monolith. And when we had Dan Crunshaw 698 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 1: on the show when he was running for Congress, Jack 699 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: and him completely disagreed on foreign policy. You know, Dan 700 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: is a guy and I don't even know you're taking 701 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: this who kind of does want us to stay in 702 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: Iraq for however many years, And he said on the show, Look, 703 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: we've had a presence in Japan, we've had a presence 704 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: in Germany. And you know, Jack, for example, is a 705 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: guy that thinks that these wars are never ending, like 706 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: what is our objective? So it's interesting you have these 707 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: different people from the special ops background who have been 708 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: in combat and they see things completely different. Well, there's 709 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: gonna be a time that we're gonna have to be 710 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,479 Speaker 1: in Iraq and son these other places because we've been 711 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: at war and we've basically dismantled our entire government. To 712 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: imagine if someone if another country came into America and 713 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: dismantled and fired everyone in the whole government and they 714 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: don't go back to the farms or killed most of them, 715 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: and then the same thing with all the military, all 716 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: the generals and the colonels and everybody else in between. 717 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 1: They were just totally stripped of everything they did and 718 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: told to go away. And he said, okay, let's start 719 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: running it. It's you can't. So there's all these barreacracies, 720 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 1: and there's all these people on all these people on 721 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: these middle levels and all this other stuff, and then 722 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: all the leaders and they're all gone. How do you 723 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: build that back up? It's gonna take an immense amount 724 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: of time, So we have to go well. When Dan 725 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: was on though, at the same time, he said, we 726 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: don't need to, you know, engage in nation building. But 727 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: I mean what you're saying, and we're not gonna try 728 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: to build in our image because Iraq is never gonna 729 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: be similar democracy. It's different. And then if we try 730 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: to make them wear blue jeans and try to make 731 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: them American, that's total ps And it's one of the 732 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 1: biggest problems we have a lot of times is we 733 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 1: think that everyone wants to be American. It's not. It's 734 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: not their way. They have a totally different mindset and 735 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 1: a different way to do things, and it'd be like 736 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: trying to take some of that in American countries and 737 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: trying to make them America. We tried that for how 738 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 1: many decades down there during a banana Wars and everything else. 739 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: It doesn't work. They don't want to be American, you know. 740 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 1: They like to do what how they do it, and 741 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,360 Speaker 1: they're gonna have their systems and just leave them alone. 742 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 1: But why do we keep repeating the same exact thing 743 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,479 Speaker 1: again again? I don't think we're very smart sometimes because 744 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,760 Speaker 1: you know now, and we talk about this often, Jack 745 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,879 Speaker 1: especially is pretty passionate about this. You know, we talked 746 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 1: about going into where you run and he thinks, like, 747 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 1: this is another boogeyman. That's ridiculous. Well, we messed up 748 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 1: Iran back into Jimmy Carter days, and I know one 749 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: of the guys who worked at an agency, they actually 750 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: went into Jimmy Carter's office on two separate occasions and 751 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 1: told him that I Tella, we cannot do this. You 752 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 1: have to go with this over here. And it was 753 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 1: more of a military group that they wanted to have 754 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 1: in power, and Jimmy Carter said, no, No, he's a 755 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 1: religious man, and you know, I trusted he'll do everything 756 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 1: that's right. And he's a religious man. You know when 757 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 1: I trust religion, And that was Jimmy Carter's to say 758 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,800 Speaker 1: on one time. They went back to his office about 759 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 1: a few days later and said, this is the wrong 760 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 1: thing to do. You cannot have him, this group and power, 761 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,799 Speaker 1: because they were totally changed the phase of Iran and 762 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,880 Speaker 1: they will become our worst enemy. No, No, he's a 763 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,439 Speaker 1: religious man, and I trusted the religious man, and that's 764 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 1: what And Jimmy Carter is the isd pent I'd fault 765 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 1: for all of Iran, and nobody even knows a lot 766 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 1: of that. I don't think it's very well known. But 767 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: if you look at uh photos and videos and things 768 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: from Iran back in the sixties and early seventies, you'll 769 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:03,240 Speaker 1: see face a pretty cool country, you know, very avant garde, 770 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 1: and you know art and the women are where, and 771 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 1: you would think that you're right here. But from what 772 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 1: I hear, it's still almost in a way like that, 773 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 1: you know, and unfortunately the US media presents all of 774 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: these is a long the country is being exactly the 775 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 1: same under three law. And you know, you would know 776 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 1: better than anybody because I've I've only been to Israel 777 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 1: in the Middle East, but you know, these countries are 778 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,799 Speaker 1: all very different, different culture, so well Israel's pretty cool. 779 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 1: One country you went to was pretty pretty wide open, 780 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,720 Speaker 1: open wided, and pretty cool. Yeah, when in two thousand 781 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 1: four stuff, I'd love to go back. I mean, i'd 782 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 1: love to see I'm not much of a traveler, to 783 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: be honest. But at the same point, there'll be something 784 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 1: to seeing all of that. You know, like Jack's wife, 785 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,760 Speaker 1: Benny constantly is over there working on documentaries and talking 786 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: about women's rights and equality over there, and it's you know, 787 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,719 Speaker 1: if you just did a documentary that was extremely eye 788 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,959 Speaker 1: open and called I'm the Revolution, and I think, yeah, 789 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 1: I hope, well it'll get some type of distribution. But 790 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 1: I got to see the premier here in New York, 791 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 1: and you know, when Benny comes on the show, it's 792 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,800 Speaker 1: a very different um ideology because she's very openly feminist 793 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 1: and all that. And you learned that being a feminist 794 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 1: in America is a very different thing than being a 795 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: feminist in the Middle East, where these women received death 796 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 1: threats and stuff just for wanting basic human rights, the 797 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 1: right to vote, to drive a car. Yeah, they're getting killed. 798 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 1: And as Benny said, you know when they do get 799 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,400 Speaker 1: the right to drive a car, that like now in 800 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia. She was like, you know, they're given that 801 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: right at the same time they're just gonna be so 802 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: constantly harassed that it's not not even worth driving a 803 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: car at that point. You know. So stuff like that 804 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 1: is very eye opening to see. And I think the 805 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,959 Speaker 1: mainstream media presents everything is this is what the Middle 806 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 1: East is, and you know it's obviously not. I think 807 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,319 Speaker 1: it's easier. And I think we do the same thing 808 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: with gender. You know, with almost everything we do. We 809 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 1: want it to be real easy. You know, here's this 810 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: and here's that, and if there's stuff in the middle, 811 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 1: they say, no, no, it doesn't exist, it's only this 812 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,399 Speaker 1: and that. They try to push it out to the out, 813 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 1: to the far end of the spectrum to make it 814 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,800 Speaker 1: easier to digest. So I was gonna ask, what brings 815 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,279 Speaker 1: you to New York? Your dog is getting a ton 816 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,880 Speaker 1: of attention just walking around the office here, Lily, who's 817 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,840 Speaker 1: super well behaved. It's you know, you wouldn't even know 818 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:20,359 Speaker 1: listening that that she's here because she hasn't worked or anything. Yeah, 819 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: she's a she's a yellow. She's really cool. I was 820 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 1: in a bar last night and uh, I just say, 821 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:28,879 Speaker 1: you know, I just said a word under and she goes. 822 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,960 Speaker 1: She goes right under the table and just sits down 823 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,319 Speaker 1: and lays there. And if people don't even know she's there. Yeah, 824 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 1: and I'll start getting off to leave or go to 825 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 1: the restroom or something, and uh, littally you'll come out 826 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,479 Speaker 1: they're like, oh my god, there's a dog there, getting 827 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 1: a ton of Yeah, what what made you come out here? 828 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,800 Speaker 1: I mean I've, like I said, we've spoken for years 829 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 1: between this podcast calling it too serious. When I worked 830 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 1: on Andrew Wilkow relatively recently. Um, and there's been many 831 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 1: times I've been said, hey, we should get you in studio, 832 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 1: but you've never been here, So what made you here? Yeah? 833 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,920 Speaker 1: What made you finally come visit? So? I don't know. 834 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm trying to do different things, you know, 835 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: I want my fourth and fifth career and I just 836 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 1: want to try to spread out a little bit and 837 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 1: do some different things. And so I was invited up 838 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 1: here a few times before doing some fashion magazines. So 839 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 1: I've been in Flaunt and uh, what's that one magazine? 840 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,040 Speaker 1: Just what was a bunch of magazines? I've been in 841 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,279 Speaker 1: g Q. I was in GQ magazine. Yeah, but that's 842 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,839 Speaker 1: that's the one day until I got invited up here 843 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,440 Speaker 1: to do this huge campaign for a really cool brand. 844 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,440 Speaker 1: And when you see it, it'll come out in May. 845 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 1: I can't really tell you what the brand is and what, 846 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,480 Speaker 1: but keep your eyes open in May. It's gonna be 847 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,239 Speaker 1: like a really cool, very hip kind of it's gonna 848 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,120 Speaker 1: be really neat. But I came up here to do photography. 849 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 1: So for the last two days I've been in a 850 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 1: studio and uh on fifty ninth Pier studio and just 851 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,920 Speaker 1: doing photo photography. So just putting the stuff on. And 852 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not able to like to distrust the 853 00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,400 Speaker 1: one way and all that stuff, but I was. But 854 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,840 Speaker 1: I think I was pretty good, you know, in photos, 855 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 1: and it was good. I think when you see it 856 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,799 Speaker 1: in mad you'll be like, dangn that doesn't mean look 857 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 1: like it because the magic of photography the lighting. Yeah, 858 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,720 Speaker 1: so in the right light, you know, I look, okay, 859 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,920 Speaker 1: this is totally turn all the lights off. Though it 860 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 1: means it's a totally different world than what you're it's 861 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,320 Speaker 1: a it's a really wild world and it's it's wild 862 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 1: also because you have the photographer as Fellers assistant. You 863 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,000 Speaker 1: have all the lighting people, and you have these sauce 864 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,319 Speaker 1: surrounded by all these people making the mission happen. So 865 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,359 Speaker 1: it was like it was like military precision, you know 866 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,319 Speaker 1: that they all kind of know their jobs and it's 867 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,360 Speaker 1: super professional and pretty awesome. And so it was. It 868 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:44,960 Speaker 1: was about thirty to forty people all around doing styling 869 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,880 Speaker 1: and makeup and hair and this and that, just people 870 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,239 Speaker 1: all over just for that one mission to get this 871 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,840 Speaker 1: product in the best light as possible on this person 872 00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,840 Speaker 1: for that one shot. And then they would have to 873 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,920 Speaker 1: do like a thousand ots to try to get the 874 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 1: one shot that they want to keep. And there's a 875 00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,319 Speaker 1: it's a huge industry. I just I'm really surprised. Yeah, 876 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,680 Speaker 1: I'm amazed. Well, I mean this is like the headquarters 877 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,320 Speaker 1: of it. That's probably why it's so because this is 878 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,759 Speaker 1: New York City. Yeah. Yeah, I think I've done some 879 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,279 Speaker 1: fashion shoots. And if you look at my Instagram and 880 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,800 Speaker 1: all my social media is the same. It's Valor, the 881 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,920 Speaker 1: number four US. Valor for us, because Valor is not 882 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,720 Speaker 1: for me. Valor is not for it's for the US. 883 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,160 Speaker 1: It's for us. And so that's the reason I picked 884 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 1: for us. Is my call sign it's cool. Um, so 885 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:31,960 Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure that we get into this. 886 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,360 Speaker 1: You've done a lot of different charity work, um, and 887 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,759 Speaker 1: I know that you're heavily involved with the Military Order 888 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,279 Speaker 1: of the Purple Heart, which is Purple Heart dot org 889 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:45,279 Speaker 1: at an m p h underscore HQ on Twitter on Instagram, 890 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 1: and I remember you were texting me about them a 891 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,759 Speaker 1: while back to like follow them, see what they're up to. 892 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,640 Speaker 1: How did you get involved with them and what exactly 893 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,920 Speaker 1: are they doing? I mean, I know that you know 894 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 1: they're the group involved in giving out the Purple Heart 895 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,040 Speaker 1: and and helping those with the Purple Heart, which there's 896 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,839 Speaker 1: been some initiatives lately. I noticed you you see more 897 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,879 Speaker 1: Purple Heart parking in spaces and things like that. Um, 898 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 1: but yeah, I wanted to hear what they're doing in 899 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,959 Speaker 1: your involvement. So, the Military Purple Heart has been around 900 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,160 Speaker 1: since nineteen thirties. It got his congressional charter I think 901 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:19,080 Speaker 1: in ninety two, so it's congressionally chartered Veteran service organization, 902 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 1: and so our primary job is to help veterans get 903 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,960 Speaker 1: their VA benefits. So we have hundreds of people and 904 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,799 Speaker 1: people in cities all around the country that did to 905 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,440 Speaker 1: sit in office just like this and uh, a veteran 906 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:34,680 Speaker 1: the right to and saying, hey, I was trying to 907 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,920 Speaker 1: get my VA benefits. I'm at and I have all 908 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,880 Speaker 1: these things that are service connected and this and this, 909 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 1: and they say, okay, well, well we'll represent you, and 910 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 1: so send us all the data, your information. They look 911 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,520 Speaker 1: at everything on the v A site and they help 912 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,239 Speaker 1: you write your claim and make sure that you get 913 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,320 Speaker 1: what you deserve, you know, as far as your percentages 914 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,640 Speaker 1: and everything else. And that's like one of our primary 915 00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:01,360 Speaker 1: jobs representing veterans, not just what for hearts, but all veterans, 916 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,799 Speaker 1: to help them get the benefits that they deserve, that 917 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,480 Speaker 1: they earned. And uh, we've worked a lot with the 918 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 1: g I bill, so that forever g I bill was 919 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,240 Speaker 1: one of our big pushes. We've been working with service 920 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:17,000 Speaker 1: dog groups and trying to promote more service dogs for veterans. 921 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,239 Speaker 1: And it's all about like a veterans suicide rate right now. 922 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,279 Speaker 1: You know, it's just it's it's epidemic. I mean, you're 923 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 1: talking about twenty two you know people, it's it just 924 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,400 Speaker 1: it breaks my heart the fact that it doesn't have 925 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,840 Speaker 1: to happen. You know, we have to start trying to 926 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,279 Speaker 1: get together more and doing better body checks and caring 927 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,200 Speaker 1: about each other. And if some of those guys had 928 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,200 Speaker 1: service dog, you know, the chances are that they still 929 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,239 Speaker 1: be here, you know. So that's what our group does, 930 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,640 Speaker 1: and it's we have Legislative Affairs Office that we're always 931 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,719 Speaker 1: on Congress and we're always on Capol Hill, and we're 932 00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,600 Speaker 1: always working to make sure that veterans represented correctly. And 933 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,600 Speaker 1: we work, you know, hand in hand with a VFW 934 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,879 Speaker 1: in the American Legion Disabled Veterans in America. We work 935 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,000 Speaker 1: with a lot of different groups and if you think 936 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,680 Speaker 1: think about all the major veteran support organizations, we're in one, 937 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,640 Speaker 1: you know, at the top five. So you have the VFW, 938 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:12,480 Speaker 1: the American Liege, and the Disabled Veterans UM. The Vietnam 939 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,839 Speaker 1: Veterans American is a pretty big one. So there's there's 940 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,440 Speaker 1: some real big ones, and we're up there in that 941 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,239 Speaker 1: in that group with the bigger organizations. I know you 942 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,719 Speaker 1: have and really from the last time that you we're 943 00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,520 Speaker 1: on we got into this, you've always been a big 944 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:28,960 Speaker 1: advocate for altern alternative treatments for t v I, for PTSD. 945 00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:30,840 Speaker 1: Do you try to bring that to the table with 946 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,839 Speaker 1: them of finding new ways to treat these guys, because 947 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:38,160 Speaker 1: it's something we often talk about. I mean, they're American 948 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:42,960 Speaker 1: medicine or you know, Western medicine is very pharmaceutical based, 949 00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,239 Speaker 1: you know, and there's a lot of other methods. So 950 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,879 Speaker 1: I'm going in for acupuncher, you know here, I've done 951 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,880 Speaker 1: that next week, and that's that's not Western medicine, that's 952 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,319 Speaker 1: Eastern medicine. But we've been able to kind of bring 953 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,600 Speaker 1: that in and saying that this is actually effective and 954 00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,360 Speaker 1: yoga and hot yoga and doing things to try to 955 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,120 Speaker 1: get your muscles and get everything kind of going better. 956 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,080 Speaker 1: And there's a lot of other things you can do, 957 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,960 Speaker 1: and into opioid epidemics. You know, the crisis right now, 958 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,319 Speaker 1: it's really is a crisis. So many people die of 959 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:15,200 Speaker 1: opioid overdoses and the effects of opioids that I mean, 960 00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,400 Speaker 1: how many a day, hundreds of people a day, hundreds 961 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,840 Speaker 1: of Americans per day are dying from this, this crisis 962 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,800 Speaker 1: of the opioids. An alternative medicine at is a medical marijuana, 963 00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,279 Speaker 1: you know, there's a the CBD oils. You know, there's 964 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:30,840 Speaker 1: so many things we can do and the v A 965 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:35,040 Speaker 1: prescribed to me about three weeks ago because I have 966 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,319 Speaker 1: some issues sleeping and uh, and then they showed it 967 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,000 Speaker 1: to me and they said, well, this is originally made 968 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,840 Speaker 1: for cantor patients and some other people who are on 969 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,799 Speaker 1: chemotherapy because they don't want to eat. So they started saying, well, 970 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,879 Speaker 1: you know, marijuana gives everybody the munkeyes and you want 971 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,600 Speaker 1: to eat a lot. So they started trying to take 972 00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,880 Speaker 1: marijuana and take the oils out CBD. But this is 973 00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,799 Speaker 1: going back to twenty years and I v A was 974 00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,239 Speaker 1: doing it since far As Pharmaceutical Company did this twenty 975 00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,080 Speaker 1: years ago. So they took the essence of you know, 976 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,239 Speaker 1: medical marijuana involded down in to try to give this 977 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,840 Speaker 1: as a as a you know, as an aid to 978 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,840 Speaker 1: chemotherapy patients so that they would start eating more so 979 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,759 Speaker 1: they could be healthy. And uh, it didn't actually do 980 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,000 Speaker 1: what they wanted to do, but they were messing around 981 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,319 Speaker 1: with the medical marijuana back twenty years ago, the v A. 982 00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:20,560 Speaker 1: And so he prescribed this thing to me. And it's 983 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,759 Speaker 1: been on the market for as a as A as 984 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,280 Speaker 1: a prescribed drug from a v A for you know, decades, 985 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,600 Speaker 1: and uh, it's great for sleep, they said it didn't 986 00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,880 Speaker 1: really make make all these patients you know, want to eat, 987 00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,040 Speaker 1: but it did definitely make him go to sleep. So 988 00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,239 Speaker 1: I said, well, this is a sleep aide and then 989 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,400 Speaker 1: there's no side effects, was nothing. You just take a 990 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,680 Speaker 1: couple of these, um have a perfect night's sleep. Pretty recently, 991 00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,040 Speaker 1: we had Peter Peter Gidrey on the podcast from uh 992 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,000 Speaker 1: Forgotten Not Gone, which is a group out of Las Vegas, 993 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:55,439 Speaker 1: a veterans group, and he's a big supporter of this Creatum. Yeah. 994 00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,719 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've you know, read up on that. 995 00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,840 Speaker 1: I saw that documentary A Leap of Faith, which is 996 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,680 Speaker 1: actually where I saw Peter. I got him on um. 997 00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,080 Speaker 1: That seems to be another big alternative when you know, 998 00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,279 Speaker 1: I go to Florida every now and again, like a 999 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,600 Speaker 1: couple of times a year, and you see these kabba 1000 00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:13,439 Speaker 1: bars everywhere, which is like creatum um, you know, made 1001 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,960 Speaker 1: from creatum, and I think it's because opioids are huge there. 1002 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,960 Speaker 1: I mean, south Ford is like the rehab capital of 1003 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:22,120 Speaker 1: the world. Um. I don't I've never taken creatum, you know, 1004 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,480 Speaker 1: and I'm also not someone I've never served in the military. 1005 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,480 Speaker 1: I don't know the PTSD or any of that. But 1006 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,600 Speaker 1: I would think if it's helping these guys out also 1007 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,279 Speaker 1: getting people off opioids, why not explore it. And that's 1008 00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,960 Speaker 1: that's probably the biggest point, as if this is an 1009 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,160 Speaker 1: alternative and it's not your regular thing, then why can't 1010 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:40,759 Speaker 1: we try it? Why can't we experiment with it? And 1011 00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,560 Speaker 1: I think that's a failure of the FDA. It's a 1012 00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:47,080 Speaker 1: failure a it's a failure of US government overall that 1013 00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,239 Speaker 1: our FDA is a pre ocracy. It just takes too 1014 00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,080 Speaker 1: long to authorize something and kind of do this. And 1015 00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:53,800 Speaker 1: I like and I think it's something that Trump just 1016 00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:55,880 Speaker 1: signed a little while ago, and it has to do 1017 00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,279 Speaker 1: with Uh, it's up to you if you want to 1018 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,560 Speaker 1: try and experimental drug and you wanna try something as experiment, 1019 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,120 Speaker 1: it is not FDA approved yet that you're allowed to 1020 00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,200 Speaker 1: actually try something. Yeah, I can't remember that. I think 1021 00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:10,680 Speaker 1: it's um it's something with like right to choose, Yeah, 1022 00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:12,760 Speaker 1: because it was mentioned during the State of the Union 1023 00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:17,320 Speaker 1: and I remember that that senator from Arizona, um, what's 1024 00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:22,160 Speaker 1: her name again, um Cinnamon, Kirston Cinnamon or something like that. 1025 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,239 Speaker 1: But she she's a Democrat and stood up during that 1026 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,759 Speaker 1: and none of the other Democrats did, which come on, 1027 00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:34,719 Speaker 1: that's yeah, this guy is blue. It's not. It's there's 1028 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,920 Speaker 1: certain things that should be completely bipartisan. You know. I 1029 00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,200 Speaker 1: spoke about on the podcast recently with these two military 1030 00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:45,680 Speaker 1: wives of these private companies that own military housing, and 1031 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,520 Speaker 1: there's black mold in these houses m while the people 1032 00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,360 Speaker 1: who own this are making millions upon millions of dollars 1033 00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,840 Speaker 1: and people assume it's like a government project and it's not. 1034 00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,880 Speaker 1: And apparently Mark A. Rubio and some others taking action. 1035 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:00,560 Speaker 1: But like, if I've ever heard anthing that should be 1036 00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,359 Speaker 1: a bipartisan effort, that's it. That's one of them. And 1037 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,960 Speaker 1: he's actually done a lot of things like that. The 1038 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,160 Speaker 1: Democrats are still fighting. It's like, why a you're fighting this? 1039 00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,480 Speaker 1: This is this is a good thing. And that's what 1040 00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,120 Speaker 1: I said earlier about, Hey, compromise is not a dirty word, 1041 00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,000 Speaker 1: and if politics, they should not be fighting like they fight. 1042 00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,120 Speaker 1: You know, we're all fighting for the same thing. We're 1043 00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,480 Speaker 1: fighting for an individual liberty. We're fighting for equality and 1044 00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,319 Speaker 1: freedom and all the stuff that makes America great, you know, 1045 00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,480 Speaker 1: and why can't we fight for that? You shouldn't just say, well, 1046 00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,120 Speaker 1: he's already Pelican or it's Trump, and we're gonna automatically 1047 00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,160 Speaker 1: hate everything he does, and that's kind of what we've 1048 00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,080 Speaker 1: gotten into. And it's just it's the worst way to 1049 00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,640 Speaker 1: It's the worst thing we could ever do. You know, 1050 00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,960 Speaker 1: there's a lot of things I don't like, but I'm 1051 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,680 Speaker 1: not gonna automatically hate everything. There's a couple of things 1052 00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,239 Speaker 1: and they're like, yeah, that's cool. I like that. I 1053 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,600 Speaker 1: know you wanted to mention women in combat roles and 1054 00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,080 Speaker 1: that's another thing that you think needs to change. So 1055 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:50,799 Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to hear your take on it 1056 00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,239 Speaker 1: because you get so many different answers on this and 1057 00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,760 Speaker 1: we bring it up on the show. Well it's again 1058 00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,400 Speaker 1: and they're talking about women being and part of the draft. 1059 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,560 Speaker 1: Now that's like a really big debate, and that's why 1060 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,640 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about it was that they're they're 1061 00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:07,480 Speaker 1: talking about I think a lawsuit just happened from someone 1062 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,920 Speaker 1: to have women be part of the selector Service, to 1063 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:15,120 Speaker 1: be drafted and just have to sign up for Selective Service. 1064 00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,160 Speaker 1: I don't want going, Yeah why not? And I said, 1065 00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,600 Speaker 1: I want I want the doors to be open to 1066 00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,799 Speaker 1: all opportunities that women the doors open to go try 1067 00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,840 Speaker 1: out for the Seals. Now there might not be a 1068 00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:30,080 Speaker 1: lot for whatever reasons. And upper body strength would be 1069 00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,520 Speaker 1: an easy thing because and like I said on a 1070 00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,960 Speaker 1: couple other shows that the Seal team mission is climbing 1071 00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,920 Speaker 1: up this little caving ladder. It's like it's like eight inches, 1072 00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,520 Speaker 1: you know, it's a small ladder. And now you're going 1073 00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,879 Speaker 1: off that, you know, carrying forty pounds in your back 1074 00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,760 Speaker 1: and you're going up you know, forty to sixty ft 1075 00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,120 Speaker 1: and uh so the test for that is pull ups, 1076 00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,680 Speaker 1: you know, a really easy, you know test. If you 1077 00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:55,400 Speaker 1: can do twenty pull ups while you have you know, 1078 00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,799 Speaker 1: forty pounds in your back, then right on you can 1079 00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,680 Speaker 1: try out and go be a seal and that should 1080 00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,520 Speaker 1: be different test. And so would you want to be 1081 00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,560 Speaker 1: a seal? Do forty you know, do the pull offs 1082 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:09,279 Speaker 1: with forty what forty pounds in your back? And if 1083 00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,359 Speaker 1: you can do that, then okay, the door is open, 1084 00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,200 Speaker 1: come on, let's try it out. I would also think 1085 00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,279 Speaker 1: women could get into certain places that we could use. 1086 00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,000 Speaker 1: There's certain things that they're just better at. You know. 1087 00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,759 Speaker 1: We've had Dan Gordon on the podcast before, whose former 1088 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,239 Speaker 1: ride yet Sniper, and he was saying all the video 1089 00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,719 Speaker 1: surveillance is done by women and they're just better at 1090 00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,799 Speaker 1: it and they do an amazing job with it. So 1091 00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,680 Speaker 1: I would think there's certain roles that they're just going 1092 00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,720 Speaker 1: to be better at than men. Maybe not the physicality, 1093 00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,600 Speaker 1: and it would be an anomaly one who is But yeah, 1094 00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:40,960 Speaker 1: but that's that's one job in the Seals. But there's 1095 00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:42,799 Speaker 1: tons of other jobs and it should just be the 1096 00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,360 Speaker 1: doors open to everything. But here's the qualifications. If you 1097 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,160 Speaker 1: meet these qualifications, you meet these standards, Dan right on, 1098 00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,440 Speaker 1: you're part of the team. And it's not going to 1099 00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,200 Speaker 1: be based on gender. It doesn't matter. And I think 1100 00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:58,600 Speaker 1: that we keep looking at the cone in days or 1101 00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:00,960 Speaker 1: World War one, world War two. We're looking at all 1102 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,240 Speaker 1: these things where you have to be this giant, beefy 1103 00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,080 Speaker 1: dude to swing a sword. It's like, well, do you 1104 00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,759 Speaker 1: have to be conan to fly a drone? If you're 1105 00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,880 Speaker 1: sitting out there in a in an office here in 1106 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,440 Speaker 1: America where is where they're flying the drones out of 1107 00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:19,840 Speaker 1: So if you're sitting in the office space, you have 1108 00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,640 Speaker 1: heard the same thing. They it's a lot of fun 1109 00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,400 Speaker 1: being I'll go to Vegas and fly some drones and 1110 00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,160 Speaker 1: then go see. Uh, you know Teller and what is 1111 00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,960 Speaker 1: the penal? I was flying drones early today. Now I'm 1112 00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,160 Speaker 1: watching Penn and Teller. Apparently some of these guys are 1113 00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:37,400 Speaker 1: getting like PTSD from the drug. I was one. I 1114 00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,239 Speaker 1: was a drunk. I flew them. So yeah, it's it's 1115 00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,400 Speaker 1: definitely you think it's a video game. But then because 1116 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:47,080 Speaker 1: you know this is real, it's definitely you're separated from it. 1117 00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:50,000 Speaker 1: But it's it's all you know, it's real. It's different 1118 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,640 Speaker 1: than a video game, for sure. But you don't need 1119 00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:54,600 Speaker 1: to be conan to fly those drones. You're sitting there 1120 00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,680 Speaker 1: in Vegas and there's a there's a million jobs in 1121 00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,120 Speaker 1: the military that you don't have to be you know, 1122 00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,439 Speaker 1: the Barbara in you know what it doesn't Seal teams, yeah, 1123 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,080 Speaker 1: special Forces, yeah, rangers. Yeah, there's me a whole bunch 1124 00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:06,960 Speaker 1: of jobs. And it's like, yeah, there's gonna be these 1125 00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,040 Speaker 1: qualifications and to be very stringent. But I would love 1126 00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,680 Speaker 1: to see the military open up the doors, you know, 1127 00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:17,040 Speaker 1: even wider. If you have someone I have friends in 1128 00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,480 Speaker 1: a wheelchair, they're disabled, you know, and uh, there's a 1129 00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,400 Speaker 1: ton of job that they can do. They could be 1130 00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,879 Speaker 1: sitting there in Vegas flying a drone, and if they're 1131 00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,080 Speaker 1: the best drone pilot, I don't care if you're in 1132 00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:31,000 Speaker 1: a wheelchair or you know you're overweight. You might weigh 1133 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,319 Speaker 1: three hundred pounds, but you're the best person to do 1134 00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,840 Speaker 1: cyber warfare, then right, I don't want you to do 1135 00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,000 Speaker 1: that because you're not. That's the thing. Even on shipboards. 1136 00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,360 Speaker 1: On ships, there's certain things that you have to be 1137 00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,919 Speaker 1: able to do to move around a shift during general 1138 00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,319 Speaker 1: quarters and everything else, especially on sybrands also, so there 1139 00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,680 Speaker 1: are definitely standards if you are in those positions. But 1140 00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:52,800 Speaker 1: if you're back here doing cyber warfare in a giant 1141 00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:57,080 Speaker 1: building in the middle of Virginia, then who cares. I 1142 00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:00,239 Speaker 1: don't care how much you weigh, what gender you are, 1143 00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,239 Speaker 1: what color you are, what religion you are. What If 1144 00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:03,839 Speaker 1: you're the best to do in cyber or you either 1145 00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,480 Speaker 1: best of doing the drowns, you're the best of doing 1146 00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,719 Speaker 1: this or that, then why can't you be a part 1147 00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,400 Speaker 1: of the military. You make a great point. Do you 1148 00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:14,279 Speaker 1: think we have to look at it differently? For sure? Yeah, 1149 00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,000 Speaker 1: I think what you're saying makes complete sense. Um, do 1150 00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,600 Speaker 1: you think women in the seals, for example, would open 1151 00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,080 Speaker 1: the door though, to sexual harassment or anything like that. 1152 00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:27,040 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, you're speculating something that it could, Yeah, 1153 00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:28,560 Speaker 1: I mean I don't know. I mean I don't. I 1154 00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:32,319 Speaker 1: don't know any of it ocditionally just male experience and 1155 00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,200 Speaker 1: you throw a woman in the mix, you know, and 1156 00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,920 Speaker 1: you here about what goes on in navy ships and yeah, 1157 00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:41,080 Speaker 1: but also the Seals is such a small group of people. 1158 00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,680 Speaker 1: You're talking about you know, twelve too, you know, sixteen 1159 00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:48,080 Speaker 1: people on a team, you know, on a flatoon, and uh, 1160 00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,440 Speaker 1: you're so tight that I don't think anybody could get 1161 00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,160 Speaker 1: away with that. I think it's too small of a 1162 00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,440 Speaker 1: group and they're too tight, and they're in such close 1163 00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,960 Speaker 1: quarters and always around each other that I don't think 1164 00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:59,600 Speaker 1: that there would be a possibility that you could ever 1165 00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,600 Speaker 1: get away with something like that makes sense, you know, 1166 00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,440 Speaker 1: although as we we know the Seals are, you know, 1167 00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,520 Speaker 1: some would say getting away with a lot of like 1168 00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,400 Speaker 1: crazy things that have been in the news, So you 1169 00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,600 Speaker 1: know what I mean, we don't know. I don't a 1170 00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:14,200 Speaker 1: lot of that. I don't really believe. I think a 1171 00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,879 Speaker 1: lot of that's also kind of and I was gonna 1172 00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:19,200 Speaker 1: say trumped up, but I don't even know if I'm 1173 00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,400 Speaker 1: allowed to say that anymore. I mean, I would love 1174 00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:22,800 Speaker 1: to hear your take on that, but it just seems 1175 00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,440 Speaker 1: like the Gallagher thing. And you know, I think I 1176 00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,160 Speaker 1: don't know all the facts about Eddie Gallagher. You know, 1177 00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,919 Speaker 1: I know he's a great dude and I would fight 1178 00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,640 Speaker 1: for him just off that fact alone. That I think 1179 00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:35,360 Speaker 1: that there's a lot of people who get kind of 1180 00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:39,520 Speaker 1: bitter and our memories are weird and you start remembering 1181 00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,359 Speaker 1: something to go, yeah, yeah that happened. Because I'll tell 1182 00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,000 Speaker 1: you what, I don't remember a lot of stuff I 1183 00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,279 Speaker 1: did when I was over in Afghanistan. You know, we 1184 00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,399 Speaker 1: just kind of blocked stuff out. It's a weird case though, 1185 00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,520 Speaker 1: because you know, as you're saying, he's a great dude, 1186 00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,760 Speaker 1: but what about this. You know, these aren't guys outside 1187 00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,080 Speaker 1: the military testifying against him. These are fellow seals saying 1188 00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,799 Speaker 1: this is what he did. So I mean, I'm sure 1189 00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:03,440 Speaker 1: those guys are great too, and I don't want it. 1190 00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,520 Speaker 1: It's hard to take one guy's side over another. And 1191 00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,880 Speaker 1: if they're if they're telling the truth then and to 1192 00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,799 Speaker 1: be done. That's the rub, you know, is did they 1193 00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,600 Speaker 1: have an actor? Ground are they trying to do something. 1194 00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:16,839 Speaker 1: Is it just like the chief that they hated because 1195 00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,080 Speaker 1: he made him live out of these two pair of bags, 1196 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:21,920 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And now they have an 1197 00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,840 Speaker 1: actor ground. Now they're saying, well, and something happened, and 1198 00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:26,480 Speaker 1: it was like, yeah, it was kind of messed up, 1199 00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,680 Speaker 1: but it's not it's not something to hang somebody over. 1200 00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,160 Speaker 1: You know. I don't I don't have the facts, and 1201 00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:34,759 Speaker 1: I don't know no, and I think a lot of 1202 00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:36,600 Speaker 1: people don't either. And I think that's the problem is 1203 00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,400 Speaker 1: we keep doing King draction and we're jumping on the 1204 00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,000 Speaker 1: bandwagon of you know, innocent or guilty, and it's like, well, 1205 00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,440 Speaker 1: I can't tell you innocent or guilty, tell you a 1206 00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:47,279 Speaker 1: good dude. And I would fight for him, Yeah, I hear. 1207 00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:49,920 Speaker 1: And that's that's all I would leave it at, is 1208 00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,520 Speaker 1: that if he wants my help, I'll go to help him. 1209 00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,640 Speaker 1: I'd also like to see some of the some of 1210 00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,879 Speaker 1: the facts, and I would like to, but I don't 1211 00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,040 Speaker 1: think that any of us are ever kinna. You know, 1212 00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:01,960 Speaker 1: they can keep that in a closed court and then 1213 00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,120 Speaker 1: we're all going to sit out here and wonder, you know, 1214 00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,440 Speaker 1: what's the real truth. So what's what's next for you? 1215 00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:12,240 Speaker 1: I know, you gotta take an air fashion stuff. It's 1216 00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:15,040 Speaker 1: such a weird departure from what you or that's also 1217 00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:18,080 Speaker 1: the cool thing about it was that it's kind of unexpected. 1218 00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,080 Speaker 1: But it also says that, but that's liberty, you know, 1219 00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:26,480 Speaker 1: it's a it's a availability, or it's the don't limit 1220 00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,000 Speaker 1: my life, don't put limit on me that because I 1221 00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:30,880 Speaker 1: used to be a conan, you know, I was a 1222 00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,800 Speaker 1: barbarian that I can't do something I'm not. I'll never 1223 00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,240 Speaker 1: be a barbie, but but I don't want to. I 1224 00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,160 Speaker 1: want to be able to do whatever I want. And 1225 00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,120 Speaker 1: I think that's what America kind of offers us also 1226 00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,920 Speaker 1: as it's that opportunity to do whatever, you know, to 1227 00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:44,800 Speaker 1: just live your life is as great as you can. 1228 00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,160 Speaker 1: And if you're working a job right now and you 1229 00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,200 Speaker 1: don't really like going to work, then why are you 1230 00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,840 Speaker 1: there because all other stuff you can do, you know, 1231 00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,680 Speaker 1: go retrain, Go retrain and go do that, or go 1232 00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,200 Speaker 1: get a different education, you know, go to school. There's 1233 00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,240 Speaker 1: gonna be a way for you to do it. So 1234 00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,480 Speaker 1: your job should not be you know, j O B 1235 00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:05,800 Speaker 1: should be fu N. You know, when you go to 1236 00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,120 Speaker 1: work and be like, yeah, I'm going back, this is awesome. 1237 00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,280 Speaker 1: I mean, you love your job. Do you feel like 1238 00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,760 Speaker 1: in some ways that CNN documentary was shot at a 1239 00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:16,160 Speaker 1: weird time, because I feel like, now you know, you're 1240 00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:18,520 Speaker 1: you're kind of more secure with where you're at and 1241 00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,560 Speaker 1: and this is who you've been for a while now. 1242 00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,040 Speaker 1: And the CNN thing was shot, you know, quite a 1243 00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,360 Speaker 1: few years back at this point. So they shot that 1244 00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,680 Speaker 1: in two thousand thirteen, and that was right when I 1245 00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,080 Speaker 1: was losing my job and everything was just going. It 1246 00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,760 Speaker 1: was all terrible. And I don't know the status of this, 1247 00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,680 Speaker 1: but yeah, you had some issues with your children, family, 1248 00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,000 Speaker 1: my sisters, you know, my parents. Everything was it's all 1249 00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,800 Speaker 1: messed up. My jobs, even cl team buddies, they're all WTF, 1250 00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:44,960 Speaker 1: and you know, what are you doing this? This doesn't 1251 00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:49,400 Speaker 1: any sense. Brandon was in there, and yeah, it was 1252 00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:51,520 Speaker 1: just it was definitely a weird time and I wish 1253 00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:56,960 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have done it. And yeah, I mean I'm 1254 00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,560 Speaker 1: not that. I'm not that public of a person and 1255 00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,400 Speaker 1: I'm not flashy. I mean I don't dress right now. 1256 00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,800 Speaker 1: I'm not a flashy person, am I? But I am 1257 00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,880 Speaker 1: going on fashion, that's what So I've kind of I've 1258 00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,080 Speaker 1: kind of accepted that that I'm in the public eye, 1259 00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:15,360 Speaker 1: and I want to take advantage of it in a 1260 00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,280 Speaker 1: way that i want to show the example that there's 1261 00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,560 Speaker 1: not going to be a limit that I can do 1262 00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,000 Speaker 1: that net now, and I'm able to do that, and 1263 00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,000 Speaker 1: I'm able to have some fun doing it. So I 1264 00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:28,520 Speaker 1: want kids growing up now to to know that America 1265 00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,120 Speaker 1: is bigger than what they think. America's bigger than what 1266 00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:33,640 Speaker 1: your teachers are telling you. America is bigger than what 1267 00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,400 Speaker 1: your parents are telling you. America is as big as 1268 00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,520 Speaker 1: you want it to be. And I just think that 1269 00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:40,720 Speaker 1: your we're like, we grow up in these places. Like 1270 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:42,480 Speaker 1: you said, you're you're here in New York City, so 1271 00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:46,000 Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that you're given the opportunities 1272 00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:48,480 Speaker 1: and adversity to see this and see that. And really, 1273 00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:52,960 Speaker 1: so you're rounder than somebody that was in Ohio, Oklahoma 1274 00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,200 Speaker 1: or somewhere else out there. And so I just want 1275 00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:56,480 Speaker 1: all those kids in the middle of the country that 1276 00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,960 Speaker 1: don't have the experience like this. Yeah, I mean, you 1277 00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,520 Speaker 1: don't want to see the example. At the same time, 1278 01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:05,080 Speaker 1: I think every place has its advantages. I've never gone 1279 01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,080 Speaker 1: hunting you know what I mean. I don't know, I'm 1280 01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:10,400 Speaker 1: saying an animal No, no, no, super disappointed. I mean, 1281 01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:12,800 Speaker 1: who on Long Island really goes hunted. It's pretty rare. 1282 01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,920 Speaker 1: It's you know, uh, and that's where I was, so 1283 01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,000 Speaker 1: so you know what I mean. I may have had 1284 01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:21,440 Speaker 1: a more um interesting experience in terms of meeting all 1285 01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,280 Speaker 1: different types of people, but in terms of like living 1286 01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:26,280 Speaker 1: off the land and all that, I I don't have 1287 01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:28,760 Speaker 1: the experience, you know. So I would like to go 1288 01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,000 Speaker 1: hunting at some point if I was able to like 1289 01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:34,280 Speaker 1: eat but you know, bicing or something like that. I 1290 01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,360 Speaker 1: grew up with this kid who was like super rich 1291 01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:40,160 Speaker 1: and his family does like that trophy hunting in Africa. Yeah, 1292 01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:43,080 Speaker 1: not exactly on board with that, but if it was 1293 01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:46,280 Speaker 1: about you know, like I think ending truphinghunting at this point, 1294 01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:48,120 Speaker 1: it would be kind of a good thing. It's it's 1295 01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:52,280 Speaker 1: pretty ridiculous. It's just like this rich people. Um, you know, 1296 01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:56,160 Speaker 1: I don't really get the point because anybody can do it, right, 1297 01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:59,160 Speaker 1: I mean, you could have a baby, you know, it's endangered, 1298 01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,280 Speaker 1: runs are it's away, there's that lioness. Yeah, and it's 1299 01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:05,240 Speaker 1: like you just killed a magnificent creature for really no 1300 01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,960 Speaker 1: reason other than your own pleasure. I don't the appeal, 1301 01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:10,960 Speaker 1: you know, if you're eating you know, I eat animals 1302 01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,040 Speaker 1: as it is, and I mean we should all be aware. 1303 01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:15,360 Speaker 1: I saw that video of Joe Rogan when he talked 1304 01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,320 Speaker 1: about when he first started hunting, and he was like, 1305 01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:20,800 Speaker 1: I felt like, first time doing this. Either I'm going 1306 01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,040 Speaker 1: to become a vegan because I'm not comfortable with this, 1307 01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:25,080 Speaker 1: all right, I'm going to be comfortable with this, which 1308 01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:29,560 Speaker 1: he is. But more people, probably myself included, should you know, 1309 01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:34,680 Speaker 1: kind of pick that up. Yeah, advantage of disadvantage doesn't 1310 01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:36,760 Speaker 1: matter where you are. But I just think that we're 1311 01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:38,720 Speaker 1: still growing up in these closets. We're growing up in 1312 01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,520 Speaker 1: these little bubbles where people are kind of protected and 1313 01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:43,680 Speaker 1: I don't know that. No, you can look at this 1314 01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:45,760 Speaker 1: and there's an example of somebody that was a Navy 1315 01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:47,800 Speaker 1: seal and now she's a fashion model. She's doing that, 1316 01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,160 Speaker 1: and now you know the world is wide open and 1317 01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,160 Speaker 1: it can be whatever you want to make it. You 1318 01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:54,600 Speaker 1: can be closed minded and then have your little life 1319 01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,960 Speaker 1: sitting there, you know, chucking wood and a fire and 1320 01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:00,880 Speaker 1: vanta jerk. You can open mind up a little bit. 1321 01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,240 Speaker 1: You know, see the Granter world for what it is, 1322 01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:05,880 Speaker 1: amount of opportunity and a lot of a lot of 1323 01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,800 Speaker 1: good stuff, a lot of good people. Oh yeah, I 1324 01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:11,480 Speaker 1: think I told you this, U, So when Lady Valor 1325 01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:14,160 Speaker 1: did come out, I think I mentioned this to you. 1326 01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:17,480 Speaker 1: So I was. I was actually living at my parents 1327 01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,400 Speaker 1: at the time, because, believe it or not, now I 1328 01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:24,120 Speaker 1: had my own room parents house, and I playing video games. 1329 01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:26,200 Speaker 1: I did have my own room. But believe it or not, 1330 01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,160 Speaker 1: like you know, you don't make like that much in radio, 1331 01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:31,040 Speaker 1: at least where I was at at the time. But 1332 01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:34,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm doing fine now. But my mom heard 1333 01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:36,880 Speaker 1: about Lady Valor and heard the interview with you and 1334 01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:39,280 Speaker 1: everything and wanted to watch with me the night that 1335 01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:41,120 Speaker 1: it came out. So, you know, I knew that the 1336 01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:43,120 Speaker 1: film was done because I knew Jake's Wigg we were 1337 01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:46,480 Speaker 1: just talking about so I talked about it on the shows. 1338 01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:49,120 Speaker 1: A great guy too, I'll do anything for him. Yeah, 1339 01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:52,000 Speaker 1: So I assumed everything was in the can and it 1340 01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:55,200 Speaker 1: was gonna be the same exact documentary that Jake's Wig watched, 1341 01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,600 Speaker 1: and we put it on and then there's that opening 1342 01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,360 Speaker 1: scene where you're in the in the car listening to 1343 01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:04,640 Speaker 1: the radio and it's got someone interviewing you about your wife, 1344 01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:08,320 Speaker 1: and my mom turns to me and it was was 1345 01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:12,440 Speaker 1: that was that you speaking just there? And it honestly 1346 01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:16,040 Speaker 1: didn't hit me because I had no idea that that 1347 01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,560 Speaker 1: my voice was going to be used on the film. 1348 01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:20,600 Speaker 1: And I actually, I don't know if that was you 1349 01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:23,400 Speaker 1: or who made that happen, but I really appreciate it 1350 01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:25,720 Speaker 1: because it's like something I put on my resume now, 1351 01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:29,200 Speaker 1: is that my voice was on CNN for this documentary. Yeah, 1352 01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,640 Speaker 1: I had no I never told me that. I thought 1353 01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:34,960 Speaker 1: I did, but I swear it was should have made 1354 01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:36,480 Speaker 1: you buy me a cup of coffee on the way. 1355 01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:44,240 Speaker 1: I had some freaking coffee. I definitely will um. But yeah, 1356 01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:46,360 Speaker 1: it was a weird experience because I didn't notice it 1357 01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,280 Speaker 1: was my own voice. My mom noticed. It's kind of 1358 01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:54,760 Speaker 1: stre because it was just unexpected. Yeah, and now people 1359 01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,720 Speaker 1: can still buy it, I think on DVD and yeah, 1360 01:03:57,840 --> 01:03:59,760 Speaker 1: but it was on Netflix, and I think it took 1361 01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,200 Speaker 1: it off Netflix, and it was on Hulu, and I 1362 01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,440 Speaker 1: think it's still might beyond. I know it's still on Amazon, 1363 01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:07,040 Speaker 1: so if you have Amazon Prime, you can still find it. 1364 01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:09,920 Speaker 1: So it's it's weird because I do you have a 1365 01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,520 Speaker 1: weird reaction watching it now? Or Yeah, there's all kinds 1366 01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:14,840 Speaker 1: of scenes and I'm like, oh god, I wish I 1367 01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,000 Speaker 1: was like wearing something different or I said something different. 1368 01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:20,120 Speaker 1: And it was it was two thousand thirteen, you know, 1369 01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:23,240 Speaker 1: and I was new in that world, you know, of 1370 01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:27,640 Speaker 1: CNN and LGBT and all the other stuff. And I 1371 01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:30,600 Speaker 1: was very naive and I didn't know. I didn't know 1372 01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:33,320 Speaker 1: a lot, and so I was speaking from a position 1373 01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:40,320 Speaker 1: of naive diddy, you know, how's that word that's kind 1374 01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:42,200 Speaker 1: of French. I was speaking from a position and I 1375 01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:44,480 Speaker 1: didn't I didn't have all information. I have all the facts. 1376 01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:47,440 Speaker 1: I didn't have the experience either, And so there's a 1377 01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:49,160 Speaker 1: lot of things I was talking about that I just 1378 01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:51,080 Speaker 1: wish I could have. I could have said it a 1379 01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:54,080 Speaker 1: little differently. It's probably still good though, one that it 1380 01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:56,760 Speaker 1: captures a moment in time, but yeah, this is this 1381 01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:58,920 Speaker 1: is where you were at that time. And then taking 1382 01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:01,040 Speaker 1: emails all the time about that movie. Yeah, about people 1383 01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:03,120 Speaker 1: that I say they watched it and it just motivated him. 1384 01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,280 Speaker 1: It just wanted to make them a better person, you know. 1385 01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:09,000 Speaker 1: And a guy in a Louisiana. He wrote to me. 1386 01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:11,720 Speaker 1: He was like, Hey, I'm a uh, I'm a straight 1387 01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,160 Speaker 1: white guy. I'm kind of a redneck, you know. And 1388 01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,040 Speaker 1: and I used to beat up queers all the time, 1389 01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:18,040 Speaker 1: you know, and but I saw your movie and I 1390 01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:23,000 Speaker 1: won't beat anybody up anymore. It was like opening his 1391 01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:24,920 Speaker 1: mind enough. That was just like, hey, there's people out 1392 01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:26,600 Speaker 1: there that are different, and we're just trying to live 1393 01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:28,600 Speaker 1: our life. You know, we don't do anything to you, 1394 01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:31,200 Speaker 1: weren't gonna harm you. It's not any it has nothing 1395 01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:33,800 Speaker 1: to do with you. And so why are there's people 1396 01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:35,600 Speaker 1: out there beating people up? Because it was something that 1397 01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:37,760 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with him. And that was the 1398 01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,240 Speaker 1: point was and that was the great point that he 1399 01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:42,640 Speaker 1: brought up. Also just in his kind of weird way, 1400 01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:46,320 Speaker 1: you know, he was saying thank you, you know, he said, hey, thanks, 1401 01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:48,800 Speaker 1: you opened my mind, and I'm I'm not gonna I'm 1402 01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:50,600 Speaker 1: not gonna do that anymore, becase it don't many sense. 1403 01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:53,120 Speaker 1: It sounds like the door could be open. I guess 1404 01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:55,320 Speaker 1: to like a part two if you in the fashion 1405 01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,600 Speaker 1: world now, because it's I mean, you're doing something completely different. 1406 01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:02,200 Speaker 1: There is a movie in works. Okay, So there's and 1407 01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:04,040 Speaker 1: that's something that I've even working on now for a 1408 01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:06,840 Speaker 1: couple of years. I am not gonna lie. This flies 1409 01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:08,520 Speaker 1: in the base of like I don't like being in 1410 01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:12,480 Speaker 1: the public eye, but I still don't. But and I 1411 01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:14,800 Speaker 1: guess I'll be like kind of a anti hero, like 1412 01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:17,040 Speaker 1: I don't want him and I hate that word. It's 1413 01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:19,120 Speaker 1: it's well, we just said christ On who you mentioned, 1414 01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:21,280 Speaker 1: Chris Sparta. You always says the same thing, and it's like, 1415 01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:23,880 Speaker 1: but you do always wind up in the public eye. Bro. Yeah, 1416 01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:27,600 Speaker 1: But it's the thing. It's like, I don't want to 1417 01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:29,600 Speaker 1: let it. I don't want to let it alone because 1418 01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:31,720 Speaker 1: it's still not right. It's still not fixed. The mission 1419 01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:33,640 Speaker 1: is not done. And so as long as a mission 1420 01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:36,040 Speaker 1: is still there that I'm trying, I'm fine. For liberty, 1421 01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:39,120 Speaker 1: I am truly believe in American I believed that the 1422 01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:42,200 Speaker 1: statue of liberty out there, that bright light that she's 1423 01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:46,320 Speaker 1: holding that torch at tortures for every American. It's not 1424 01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,840 Speaker 1: just for the Republicans, and it's not just for the Democrats, 1425 01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:52,760 Speaker 1: and it's for everybody all in between. It's for all 1426 01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:55,360 Speaker 1: of us. And that's what I don't think that people understand, 1427 01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:57,760 Speaker 1: yet they don't really get it that there are protected 1428 01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:00,520 Speaker 1: classes of people, there are this, and that there are 1429 01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:02,720 Speaker 1: people that think that they deserve more liberties than I 1430 01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:06,160 Speaker 1: do because they're trying to take mine away through legal 1431 01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:10,880 Speaker 1: recourse or through uh what they say, or the church 1432 01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:13,440 Speaker 1: or education or that or that. You can bring up 1433 01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,400 Speaker 1: a hundred different ways that they're trying to do it, 1434 01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:17,920 Speaker 1: but they're always itching away, and they're always like nick nicknick, 1435 01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:21,840 Speaker 1: they're picking, and they're trying to take away my liberty 1436 01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,960 Speaker 1: and it really pisces me off. And that's why I'm 1437 01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:28,280 Speaker 1: probably more of a libertarian than I am a Democratic Republican, 1438 01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:31,000 Speaker 1: because I really believe I want a really small government. 1439 01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:33,920 Speaker 1: I want to maximize liberty, individual liberty. I want you 1440 01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:35,880 Speaker 1: to live the best life you can have more freedom 1441 01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:39,480 Speaker 1: than you could ever you know, ever possibly use. And 1442 01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:42,680 Speaker 1: I want that opportunity there for every American. And that's 1443 01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:45,280 Speaker 1: the true point of what every politician or should be 1444 01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:48,120 Speaker 1: fighting for. You don't fight for a party. You should 1445 01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:50,440 Speaker 1: be fighting for every American. And if you see a 1446 01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:53,160 Speaker 1: small group of Americans being left out, then how can 1447 01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,200 Speaker 1: you make sure that that that group of Americans is 1448 01:07:55,240 --> 01:08:01,200 Speaker 1: brought into default? And into the the running right towards 1449 01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:04,200 Speaker 1: your liberty. And that's really what I truly believe. And 1450 01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:08,760 Speaker 1: I know that right now we have did military transgender 1451 01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:10,320 Speaker 1: band going on. We have this going on. We have 1452 01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:11,800 Speaker 1: a going on. And just like I said, we don't 1453 01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:14,440 Speaker 1: want Conan anymore. We want that drone pilot in Vegas. 1454 01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:16,920 Speaker 1: We want that person doing cyber warfare. So who cares 1455 01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:19,920 Speaker 1: what gender somebody is? Who cares what colleges are or 1456 01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:21,559 Speaker 1: how much they wire? If you can do pull ups, 1457 01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:23,760 Speaker 1: I don't want you to do any pullups. Zero pull ups? 1458 01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:25,720 Speaker 1: Oh you can't do any pull ups? But yeah, right 1459 01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:29,800 Speaker 1: on your your cyber warfare. Awesome, Then that's what we want. 1460 01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:32,599 Speaker 1: The military needs to open up their minds and their 1461 01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:36,040 Speaker 1: eyes and know that Conan New Barbarian was a thing 1462 01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:39,080 Speaker 1: that have passed. And then we're doing a space for uce. 1463 01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:42,240 Speaker 1: Are you freaking kid me? When's the next time? Do 1464 01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:43,760 Speaker 1: you think we're gonna be fighting some aliens up there 1465 01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:47,200 Speaker 1: on the Moon and Mars or somebody down here on Earth? 1466 01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:49,000 Speaker 1: Do you really think that sending a rocket up there 1467 01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:52,519 Speaker 1: with the Space Marines is going to be what we need? 1468 01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:55,799 Speaker 1: If we had the cyber warfare actually is its own branch. 1469 01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:59,040 Speaker 1: What if you think about it would totally makes sense. 1470 01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:02,280 Speaker 1: Right now, we have stove pipes of cyber within the Army, 1471 01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:04,599 Speaker 1: within the Navy, within the Air Force, within every branch, 1472 01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:08,320 Speaker 1: within other branches of governments and the Department of Homeland Security. 1473 01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:11,120 Speaker 1: We have all these little segments of cyber And in 1474 01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:13,120 Speaker 1: the n s A and the CIA and all the 1475 01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:17,360 Speaker 1: other agencies, they all have their little cyber groups. And 1476 01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:19,000 Speaker 1: what do they do. They're all competing with each other 1477 01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:21,759 Speaker 1: computing resources. They're all stove pipes, are not really sharing 1478 01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:26,240 Speaker 1: and it's just a mess. So just like the Navy 1479 01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:29,559 Speaker 1: and the Army were the two big branches, and then 1480 01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:31,320 Speaker 1: they started breaking off because we said, hey, now we 1481 01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:35,679 Speaker 1: have airplanes and nineteen hundreds and now the Air Force 1482 01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:37,519 Speaker 1: was there and it was part of the Army up 1483 01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:40,800 Speaker 1: until you know what the late forties, and in the 1484 01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:44,400 Speaker 1: air Corps because the ash Army Air Forces. But that 1485 01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:46,960 Speaker 1: was how it happened, was that it was part of 1486 01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:49,240 Speaker 1: something else because we had now we had sky dominance, 1487 01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:51,000 Speaker 1: and now we had to actually make it its own 1488 01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:55,519 Speaker 1: branch because that, you know, that area of warfare was 1489 01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:58,400 Speaker 1: so significant that it needed to have to get out 1490 01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:00,719 Speaker 1: rid of all the stove pipes and stopped all this competition. 1491 01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:02,760 Speaker 1: So if everything else, bring it all under one roof. 1492 01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:07,519 Speaker 1: And that's what cyber needs to do. We need cyber warfare, 1493 01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:12,240 Speaker 1: cyber you know command to be its own branch equivalent 1494 01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:14,400 Speaker 1: to the Army, the Navy, the Air Force, and marines. 1495 01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:18,920 Speaker 1: Not the space force. That's ridiculous. It's a huge waste 1496 01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:22,120 Speaker 1: of money. Set up the cyber command first, and it 1497 01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:24,360 Speaker 1: goes into the global commons. I don't know if you 1498 01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:26,400 Speaker 1: know the global commons, but it's like oceans is a 1499 01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:29,120 Speaker 1: global common and needed the Navy to defend the Navy 1500 01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:31,760 Speaker 1: keep the open roots and have that, and that's why 1501 01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:34,360 Speaker 1: the Navy was made. And then in the old days 1502 01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:37,760 Speaker 1: of the giant warfare across the landmasses, that's the Army, 1503 01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:40,440 Speaker 1: and it's it's not really global common because of boundaries. 1504 01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:42,760 Speaker 1: But then you see a new global common would be 1505 01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,840 Speaker 1: you know, air and that's what we have the Air 1506 01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:47,559 Speaker 1: Force for and all that, and a global common of 1507 01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:50,960 Speaker 1: space and space is a global common, so we're eventually 1508 01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:53,960 Speaker 1: someday we might need to have a space force, but 1509 01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,479 Speaker 1: that's pretty far in the future. What's the other global 1510 01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:59,640 Speaker 1: common we keep forgetting is the Internet is a is 1511 01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:04,200 Speaker 1: a web, the interwebs, it's a global common I mean 1512 01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:07,360 Speaker 1: that's an area where's open warfare going on within the 1513 01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:10,559 Speaker 1: web and everything else. You know, we have people from 1514 01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:13,240 Speaker 1: Russia hack in American and going on a credit card 1515 01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:15,920 Speaker 1: fraud and all the other stuff that's a global commonent 1516 01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:18,120 Speaker 1: right now is the freaking worst than the wild wild 1517 01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:22,320 Speaker 1: West until we actually have a branch dedicated to just 1518 01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:24,880 Speaker 1: that under their own roof and all their own stuff 1519 01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:27,599 Speaker 1: and their own budget and Garrett of always though fives 1520 01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:29,720 Speaker 1: and all these little cross a little weird domains of 1521 01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:34,040 Speaker 1: competition everything else. Like, I don't fight for that, And 1522 01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:36,439 Speaker 1: it makes sense when I talked to you about this, right, So, 1523 01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:39,200 Speaker 1: the global commons of the interwebs is something that we 1524 01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:42,360 Speaker 1: need to try to I think. I think Andrew says 1525 01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:45,599 Speaker 1: the same. It always makes me to laugh when people 1526 01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,280 Speaker 1: say that, but that's it's an important thing that we 1527 01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:51,640 Speaker 1: need to let the politicians and let people start understanding. 1528 01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:53,920 Speaker 1: I think it's in the same room as him next 1529 01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:55,920 Speaker 1: time you're here or something that'd be pretty funny. Yeah, 1530 01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:57,800 Speaker 1: I think you guys would get Do you see that? 1531 01:11:57,840 --> 01:11:59,960 Speaker 1: Like he's a great guy, do you see the picture 1532 01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,840 Speaker 1: him with I don't like some of the stuff. He says. 1533 01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:05,120 Speaker 1: He works with them, and neither did I on a 1534 01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:07,080 Speaker 1: lot of it. Not always be respectful. I don't know. Yes, 1535 01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:09,320 Speaker 1: that's what the politicians also need to learn. It's like, hey, 1536 01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:11,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna argue with you. I'm gonna do and I 1537 01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:14,360 Speaker 1: think Andrew likes me. I think Andrew likes being a 1538 01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:18,200 Speaker 1: villain on something. He's like a villain, you know, on 1539 01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:20,280 Speaker 1: some level. But did you see the picture him with 1540 01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:24,360 Speaker 1: Caitlyn Jenner. It's hilarious. It's because Caitlyn Jenner just towering 1541 01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:26,559 Speaker 1: over like I'll show you I got a picture with 1542 01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:30,320 Speaker 1: it was me and Andrew there and Caitlyn Jenner has 1543 01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:34,800 Speaker 1: her arm on Andrew's shoulder and and figure his face. 1544 01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:36,680 Speaker 1: It's it's just a very I'll tell you what. I'm 1545 01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:38,400 Speaker 1: very fun. That's a person. I will never have a 1546 01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:41,640 Speaker 1: photo with Caitlyn Jenner. Yeah, so Andrew can have his 1547 01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:46,360 Speaker 1: fine picture with j It was it was interesting. Um, 1548 01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:48,640 Speaker 1: she was on the cover of Vanity Fair and her 1549 01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:50,720 Speaker 1: freaking underwear. But you know what, you would pisses me. 1550 01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:53,679 Speaker 1: You're on the same page with that. You guys both 1551 01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:56,200 Speaker 1: listening to woke out because the way that I met 1552 01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:59,759 Speaker 1: Caitlyn Jenner was I've told this story in the podcast before. 1553 01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:02,840 Speaker 1: Was Andrew was talking about the same stuff that you 1554 01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:06,040 Speaker 1: know you've called in before, you know about before. And 1555 01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:08,320 Speaker 1: I get a call on the hotline when I was 1556 01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:11,439 Speaker 1: working on the show, and this person was like, I 1557 01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:13,639 Speaker 1: want to chime in on this. This is Caitlyn Jenner. 1558 01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:15,200 Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, we're not gonna do 1559 01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:17,200 Speaker 1: any prank calls here. I'm gonna let you go. And 1560 01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:19,559 Speaker 1: then I get a call back, this is Caitlyn Jenner 1561 01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:21,800 Speaker 1: and I want to get on the air and uh, 1562 01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,519 Speaker 1: and I'm listening, I'm like, this honestly sounds a lot 1563 01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:28,920 Speaker 1: like Caitlyn Jenner and uh, and Caitlyn is saying, asked 1564 01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:31,960 Speaker 1: me anything about myself, Like, I'll tell you whatever you 1565 01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:33,640 Speaker 1: need to know. You know, I don't know what I 1566 01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:34,920 Speaker 1: need to do to prove it's me. And I'm looking 1567 01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:37,439 Speaker 1: at the area code and I'm googling the area code 1568 01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:40,960 Speaker 1: and I think it's like it's like Hollywood, California. And 1569 01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,439 Speaker 1: then Kate when went in the air with Andrew, they 1570 01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:46,519 Speaker 1: debated about stuff. And Andrew came back in the control 1571 01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:48,799 Speaker 1: room and He's like, dude, I think we're getting pumped. 1572 01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:50,800 Speaker 1: I think we're getting pranked. This is this makes me 1573 01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:54,080 Speaker 1: look like an idiot. He's like, I, I I don't 1574 01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:56,479 Speaker 1: think that was really Kate When Jenner called, but Mike 1575 01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:59,640 Speaker 1: the producer had to contact the TMZ and was like, 1576 01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:01,639 Speaker 1: could you run the phone number? And sure enough, that's 1577 01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:03,960 Speaker 1: who it was. So you guys both listen to Andrew 1578 01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:09,080 Speaker 1: wikale parent. I flipped between a Patriot and Fox and 1579 01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:12,360 Speaker 1: CNN and in Potus channel, so I'm always like flipping 1580 01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:16,320 Speaker 1: to the channel and hopefully podcast U. Yeah, the podcast Jounkie. 1581 01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:17,800 Speaker 1: I listened to him all the time. I think I'm 1582 01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:23,080 Speaker 1: one of the few we've worked in terrestrial, satellite and podcast. Yeah, 1583 01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:26,280 Speaker 1: it's kind of cool to know all three different you know, 1584 01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:29,360 Speaker 1: Genner listen to Radio Lab. I know of it. Radio 1585 01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:32,000 Speaker 1: Lab is probably hands down one of the best podcasts. 1586 01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:34,680 Speaker 1: What Joe Rogan? That's awesome? Do you know Rogan? Just 1587 01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:36,960 Speaker 1: did I think it was like four hours with Alex Jones. 1588 01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:40,920 Speaker 1: Let's I was listening to that. Yeah, it was like, 1589 01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:43,559 Speaker 1: I have to listen to this. It's just I don't 1590 01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:46,840 Speaker 1: know it's too especially because Alex Jones has been like 1591 01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:50,240 Speaker 1: attacking Rogan's. I was surprised to see him on them. 1592 01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:52,840 Speaker 1: So to finish up the case, Jenner, thing why I'm 1593 01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:56,720 Speaker 1: so angry, okay, was that and I didn't want to 1594 01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:59,080 Speaker 1: talk about any trans enders kind of you brought up 1595 01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:02,559 Speaker 1: transgender I'm just trying to talk about the military and 1596 01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:08,880 Speaker 1: China did anyway. I just I don't think that you 1597 01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:14,799 Speaker 1: understand about women and about the stereotypes of fetish and 1598 01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:17,720 Speaker 1: you know, being an object and doing all that, and 1599 01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:19,600 Speaker 1: then she goes on to cover of Vanity Fair in 1600 01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:22,720 Speaker 1: our underwear, you know what I mean. I just think 1601 01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:24,760 Speaker 1: it's just like all she did was just bring all 1602 01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:27,040 Speaker 1: the stereotypes right to the forefront, that we are like 1603 01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:29,400 Speaker 1: a sexual object and it's about fetish and it's about 1604 01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:32,519 Speaker 1: the clothing. It's about that. But I don't get the 1605 01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:35,920 Speaker 1: family that Caitlin is a part of that. And that's 1606 01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:37,599 Speaker 1: another reason why I would want a picture with her, 1607 01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:39,599 Speaker 1: because it's all about the Kardashian it's all this, it's 1608 01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:42,479 Speaker 1: all money and it's all this glam and do all that, 1609 01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:45,760 Speaker 1: and then there I am doing silly fashion stuff. So 1610 01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:49,879 Speaker 1: I'm like, again, I've got maybe I'm not even an oxymoron. 1611 01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:52,519 Speaker 1: Maybe I'll with the moron. I don't know, but it's 1612 01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:55,839 Speaker 1: just I just don't I want the stereotypes to be broken, 1613 01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:59,879 Speaker 1: you know, in a good way, and not by promoting 1614 01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:02,439 Speaker 1: the stereotypes of that. And it really makes me kind 1615 01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:05,000 Speaker 1: of upset. And so I had Vanity Fair asking me 1616 01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:07,280 Speaker 1: to do a photo shoot, and I did a photo 1617 01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:08,800 Speaker 1: shoot with Vanity Fair. But I told him, I said 1618 01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:10,639 Speaker 1: right up, and I said, I'm not gonna wear anything 1619 01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:13,640 Speaker 1: that's I'm gonna wear jeans and a T shirt. And 1620 01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:15,479 Speaker 1: they're like, well, that's what you want to do, okay. 1621 01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:17,320 Speaker 1: And so I had jeans and a T shirt and 1622 01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:19,760 Speaker 1: a cowboy hat on, you know, because I have a 1623 01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:21,720 Speaker 1: ranch with cattle and everything else, so I really do 1624 01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:23,639 Speaker 1: have cowboy hats, and I wish At the same time, 1625 01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:25,679 Speaker 1: I feel like that's just trying to make it opposite. 1626 01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:27,080 Speaker 1: I was just like, no, I want this to be 1627 01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:30,479 Speaker 1: totally you know, respectful, but I think, you know, on 1628 01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:33,200 Speaker 1: some level, that's you, and that might be who Kate 1629 01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:35,360 Speaker 1: one is, you know, I don't think Kate Win is 1630 01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:37,599 Speaker 1: someone who's going a cowboy at jeans and a T shirt. 1631 01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:39,760 Speaker 1: Maybe I'm being a little harshot I mean, I don't know, 1632 01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:42,200 Speaker 1: I don't you know, I really don't. I will cover. 1633 01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:44,880 Speaker 1: I don't want the kids growing up thinking that this 1634 01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:47,720 Speaker 1: is fetish and I don't want you know, dudes they're 1635 01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:50,840 Speaker 1: young thinking that it's a sexual object, you know, or 1636 01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:53,360 Speaker 1: that this person is this, or that it's like there 1637 01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:57,600 Speaker 1: has to be more of a of respect, you know. 1638 01:16:57,960 --> 01:16:59,519 Speaker 1: And I wouldn't want to promote the fact that this 1639 01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:03,040 Speaker 1: is a out you know, sex or objectivity or anything 1640 01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:06,400 Speaker 1: else like that, because that's totally opposent what it really 1641 01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:09,000 Speaker 1: is about. I just wish she wouldn't have promoted the 1642 01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:12,439 Speaker 1: fact that that's what that's the stereotype. Yeah, that's what 1643 01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:17,080 Speaker 1: gets me the most upset. Well, wrapping pisces me off. 1644 01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:21,560 Speaker 1: They kept saying. They kept saying, yeah, because I just 1645 01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:24,120 Speaker 1: and it shouldn't be reserved, because you can't you can't 1646 01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:27,240 Speaker 1: say that Heroes is just a military or Courage is 1647 01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:29,080 Speaker 1: just a military, because it's not. It's not at all. 1648 01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:33,560 Speaker 1: But they kept saying about hero and LGBT hero and 1649 01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:35,120 Speaker 1: all this other stuff. And it was like, right when 1650 01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:37,000 Speaker 1: she first came out, and I was like, well, she 1651 01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:38,599 Speaker 1: hadn't done anyth yet. All she did was just walk 1652 01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:41,240 Speaker 1: out the door. You know, how about we just give 1653 01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:44,360 Speaker 1: her some time before you start using that word, you know, 1654 01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:47,639 Speaker 1: saying she's a hero of this community. You know, let's 1655 01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:49,320 Speaker 1: give it a year or so until she does some 1656 01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:52,000 Speaker 1: stuff for the community that promotes the fact that, hey, 1657 01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:54,920 Speaker 1: you can't just have somebody walk out of door and 1658 01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:58,280 Speaker 1: say hey, you're a hero because he walked out of door. Well, 1659 01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:00,920 Speaker 1: I'll have to. I'll send you a picture of Andrew 1660 01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:03,040 Speaker 1: with Caitlin just so that you see it. So it's 1661 01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:06,840 Speaker 1: just a funny picture. But wrapping stuff up here. Be 1662 01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:08,720 Speaker 1: sure to check out Create Club. 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And you could follow 1714 01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:57,720 Speaker 1: Christian on Twitter and Instagram at Valor for us or 1715 01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:00,640 Speaker 1: Valor for us. You don't have a site that's like 1716 01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:03,160 Speaker 1: currently active, right, that's really where to find use Valor 1717 01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:04,880 Speaker 1: for us. It's the best thing to go to Twitter 1718 01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:08,639 Speaker 1: or Instagram or those that I have my Facebook page. Yeah, 1719 01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:10,519 Speaker 1: you know, you can look up chief back, but it's 1720 01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:12,479 Speaker 1: easy to find me if you want to. Yeah, so 1721 01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:14,320 Speaker 1: add Valor for us. I mean that's really how I 1722 01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:15,840 Speaker 1: saw you were in New York. I just hit you 1723 01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:17,360 Speaker 1: up on there and I was glad you got back 1724 01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:19,920 Speaker 1: to me. I mean, you know, it's funny. I have 1725 01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:22,360 Speaker 1: to record another episode right after this, so I was like, 1726 01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:25,280 Speaker 1: I'll record a short one with Christian. We went nearly 1727 01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:27,439 Speaker 1: an hour and a half here flew by. I know, 1728 01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:29,599 Speaker 1: what do we talk about? Do we talk about anything good? 1729 01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:32,160 Speaker 1: I hopefully so. I think we got into a whole 1730 01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:34,960 Speaker 1: lot of territory. You know, I think we covered everything 1731 01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:37,599 Speaker 1: that you wanted to. Uh, there's anything else. I mean, 1732 01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:41,240 Speaker 1: I just think that the parting the parting point should 1733 01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:44,560 Speaker 1: be the individual liberty. Are you defending it? Are you 1734 01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:47,320 Speaker 1: taking it away? You know? And another thing might just 1735 01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:49,280 Speaker 1: be you know, you can't judge a book by to cover, 1736 01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:51,439 Speaker 1: but you can read a couple of chapters in that 1737 01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:54,160 Speaker 1: book and kind of get a pretty good idea. You know, 1738 01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:56,240 Speaker 1: you don't have to read the whole book, but just 1739 01:21:57,000 --> 01:21:58,600 Speaker 1: be a little more open minded to just take a 1740 01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:00,840 Speaker 1: look at the person and what do they really about. Yeah, 1741 01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:04,360 Speaker 1: thanks for coming in, and the audience should appreciate this 1742 01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:07,920 Speaker 1: because as you're hearing this, I'm in Florida. I was 1743 01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:10,080 Speaker 1: going to make the best of you. Guys are probably 1744 01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:12,080 Speaker 1: gonna break my balls and be like I've already heard 1745 01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:14,960 Speaker 1: all this. Now they have a new episode thanks to you. 1746 01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:18,240 Speaker 1: So this will be up in uh, you know, a 1747 01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:20,720 Speaker 1: few weeks from when we're recording this, and I think 1748 01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:23,280 Speaker 1: people would dig it. I think it, uh yeah, as 1749 01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:25,519 Speaker 1: opposed to these media hits that you do where it's 1750 01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:29,040 Speaker 1: one big wine on t MZ or Business Insider, I 1751 01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:32,400 Speaker 1: think teams in. Yeah. I think this opens up, you know, 1752 01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:34,920 Speaker 1: a window and took who you are as a person, 1753 01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:36,920 Speaker 1: your military history. I think we covered a lot in 1754 01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:38,800 Speaker 1: this fast hour and now it's a little bit make 1755 01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:41,840 Speaker 1: it's think a little bit and just remember, can you 1756 01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:45,720 Speaker 1: hear the defending liberty a way that would be a 1757 01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:50,559 Speaker 1: Defender sheep Talks you've been listening to Self Rep Radio. 1758 01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:55,360 Speaker 1: New episodes up every Wednesday and Friday. 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