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<v Speaker 2>Hey, everyone, welcome to the Renee thub At Tennis Podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I am on the road in Miami. Caitlin is at

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<v Speaker 2>home in New York, and we have so much to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about. Oh my god, Indivian, Wells, Mira andriv But

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<v Speaker 2>before we get to that, Caitlyn, you went to space

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<v Speaker 2>last week.

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<v Speaker 1>I have returned from Space the Final Frontier. Yeah. I

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<v Speaker 1>have to say, Isaac, my kid's Space camp. It was amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Any parents out there who have a nurse highly recommend.

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<v Speaker 2>Although you have to.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to.

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<v Speaker 2>Reference to the fact that the hotel is not exactly

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<v Speaker 2>like a five star hotel.

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<v Speaker 1>It isn't even a hotel at all. It's a habitat.

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<v Speaker 1>It has no windows or blankets. The showers are rough,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, conditions are less than ideal, but as

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<v Speaker 1>they would be in space. You don't even get to

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<v Speaker 1>take a shower in space. They use baby wipes. I learned,

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<v Speaker 1>which you know, those people who got stranded on the

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<v Speaker 1>space station for eight and a half extra months. They

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<v Speaker 1>were expecting hot showers and instead they got baby wipes,

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, not everything's easy in space forne He

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<v Speaker 1>had a lot of complaints about the food. My kid

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<v Speaker 1>had a lot of complaints about the rustic accommodations. But

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<v Speaker 1>also we did amazing things and went on moonwalks and

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<v Speaker 1>did missions and zero gravity training. So you know, this

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<v Speaker 1>is just a day in the life of a parent,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of similar to the mode you are in as

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<v Speaker 1>a coach. Do you feel like coaching and parenting is

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<v Speaker 1>probably kind of somewhat related. I got to see you

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<v Speaker 1>in action last week and it emails coaching, Alan Perez.

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<v Speaker 2>Coaching is a lot like parenting because you have this

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<v Speaker 2>you have to walk a fine line, as you know, right,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, you want to teach your kid certain things, right,

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<v Speaker 2>You want to teach them certain things and certain habits

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<v Speaker 2>and trying to break other habits and things like that,

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<v Speaker 2>and sometimes you don't want to go too far. You

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to like break their spirit, but you also

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<v Speaker 2>don't want them to get away with too much. So

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<v Speaker 2>there's like that balance of like how much can you

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<v Speaker 2>tell them, how much can you keep reinforcing it right.

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<v Speaker 2>If they keep doing the same mistake, do you keep

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<v Speaker 2>harping on it or do you harp on it once

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<v Speaker 2>every five minutes or once every five seconds. So there's

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<v Speaker 2>that really unique balance with coaching, as I think it

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<v Speaker 2>is with parenting as well. How far do you go?

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<v Speaker 1>I was super impressed and enjoyed greatly. I've seen you

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<v Speaker 1>coach plenty of times, but it was really cool to

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<v Speaker 1>see Ellen Perez, who was playing with Yelena Ostapenko. They

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<v Speaker 1>had a pretty good run in Indian Wells. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>they came through some really intense matches, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>cool to see a player I hadn't paid very much

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<v Speaker 1>attention to, candidly, who you know, was sort of fun

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<v Speaker 1>and dynamic and had a good attitude, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it was nice to sit with you in sam Stosa

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<v Speaker 1>and sweat in the California sunshine, work on my tan

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<v Speaker 1>and get to watch some great tennis, which is why,

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<v Speaker 1>of course we love BNP probably about Open so much

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<v Speaker 1>because it's like, honestly, just the most fun. But I

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<v Speaker 1>have to say this is a great swing because it

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<v Speaker 1>brings us, obviously from Indian Wells to Miami, which I

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk to you about. But first, shall we

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<v Speaker 1>recap what a great Indian Wells that was? What a

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<v Speaker 1>great Indian Wells. I thought it was a phenomenal addition

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<v Speaker 1>to the tournament.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and if you had said to me, the winner

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<v Speaker 2>of these events are going to be Mira Andreva and

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<v Speaker 2>Jack Draper, I probably would have said, a It's possible, certainly,

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<v Speaker 2>Mirror after coming off of you know, her victory and

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<v Speaker 2>in the Middle East with tons of confidence, but still

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<v Speaker 2>to back go back to back is very, very difficult

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<v Speaker 2>for anybody, and particularly someone so young. So I would

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<v Speaker 2>have said maybe Mirror, but tough Jack certainly possible. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if he can close it out kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So to actually see them both get through and when

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the biggest titles of their career, I know

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<v Speaker 2>Mirror just wanted to buy and but but this, this

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<v Speaker 2>is different. This is on another level in Ian Welles

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<v Speaker 2>and the way that she did it was just phenomenal.

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<v Speaker 2>To beat the players that she beat, and Jack to

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<v Speaker 2>beat the players he beat. So I don't know, what

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<v Speaker 2>do you What were your thoughts? What were your favorite

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<v Speaker 2>matches that you that you saw? You you saw a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of tennis as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Mirror and Dreva Iger Schmantek was a masterclass uh in strategy,

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<v Speaker 1>patient composure. I was so impressed with me Andreva, who

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, even though she just won last week or

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<v Speaker 1>the week leading up to the tournament in the Middle East,

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<v Speaker 1>Like yeah, I mean, winning this tournament on American soil

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<v Speaker 1>in really what is the biggest Master's one thousand level

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<v Speaker 1>tournament was pretty spectacular. Doing it to beat Eager and

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<v Speaker 1>Arena Seblanca in the final, that's a feat. It is

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<v Speaker 1>quite a feat. You know, obviously Arena is the defending champion.

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<v Speaker 1>This is just like a pretty amazing run from this.

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<v Speaker 2>Our buddy Boschen Function I think, is the one that

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<v Speaker 2>put a tweet out that's basically she just did the

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<v Speaker 2>same thing Madison Keys did to beat the same players.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, the parody. The great thing is the parody.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes everyone's like, oh, yeah, these random winners. You know

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<v Speaker 2>that women's tennis is you know, there's no real leader

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<v Speaker 2>and all that sort of stuff. It's like who cares?

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<v Speaker 2>Like when you've got these great players coming through every

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<v Speaker 2>single week to be all these great players and we

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<v Speaker 2>know how good they are, Like Mira Andreva is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be a perennial top five player. I believe throughout

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<v Speaker 2>her entire career she has you know, she has the hoodspa,

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<v Speaker 2>she has the work ethic, she has the joy in

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<v Speaker 2>her tennis. You know, she loses a shit from time

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<v Speaker 2>to time, which she did in the final, but to

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<v Speaker 2>come through the matches that she did the way she

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<v Speaker 2>did was incredible, and so obviously you know how I feel.

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<v Speaker 2>I've put out a funny tweet about, Oh, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>women can coach, you know, referring to clearly referring to

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<v Speaker 2>Kashida Martinez and you know, some of the great And

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<v Speaker 2>it's funny because being here in Miami, we have a

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<v Speaker 2>I walked into the into the ego underneath the arena,

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<v Speaker 2>right that's where all the locker rooms are and everything.

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<v Speaker 2>And I walked in there and literally the first sign

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<v Speaker 2>I saw to my right was men's coaches locker room,

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<v Speaker 2>and Caitlin, and I tell you, it was in neon lights.

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<v Speaker 2>It was massive. So I looked at my right and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, Okay, well there's the men's locker room for

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<v Speaker 2>the coaches. Now where's the women's you know. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>looking around and I'm looking around and looking for that

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<v Speaker 2>Neon sign right and go around the hallway, so you

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<v Speaker 2>imagine underneath a massive stadium. So then you see, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>women's players' locker room, men's players' locker room. I'm like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that's there, and where's the women's locker room. Where's our

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<v Speaker 2>big Neon lights? And so I said to one of

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<v Speaker 2>the women working the tournament who I've known for a

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<v Speaker 2>long time, Hey, you know where's the women's coaches locker

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm looking for that. And she goes, oh, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just down there. You see that little sign that says laundry,

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<v Speaker 2>it's over there on the left. So go in that door.

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<v Speaker 2>So we are opposite the player's laundry area, right, and

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<v Speaker 2>it is the size of a shoe box. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>it's not tiny. I've seen worse. I have to say.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes we women coaches get literally a toilet area to

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<v Speaker 2>like go to. So there's like like probably probably about

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<v Speaker 2>eight stalls in there and an open shower and one toilet.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just walked in and I just died. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, no, women's locker room, big Neon signs up there, No, no, No,

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<v Speaker 2>I know there's clearly a lot more men's coaches, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's just the irony. And so when I was in

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<v Speaker 2>there yesterday, it was quite full actually because and I

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<v Speaker 2>realized there's actually a lot more of us than I

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<v Speaker 2>realized now, Like I go, Radwanska was in there, Kirsten

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<v Speaker 2>Flipkins was in there, Nicole Pratt's in there, I'm in there.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, hit To Martinez is going to be in there. Zinska,

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<v Speaker 2>the woman who coaches Costchuker's in there. There's a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of the Japanese girls have coaches, women coaches, So it's

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<v Speaker 2>getting more and more. So I just want to shout

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<v Speaker 2>out to the tournaments. It's time to give us a

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<v Speaker 2>bigger locker room. Okay, great, anyway back to my back

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<v Speaker 2>to Indian Wealth.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but I think that's a good indicator. And obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, coming back to Mira Andreva, you know who

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't thrilled to see the positive dynamic, the incredibly thoughtful

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<v Speaker 1>coaching success story that this is in the making. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>it's something that you and I have discussed at length

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<v Speaker 1>on this podcast, especially after some of mir Andreva's results

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<v Speaker 1>earlier this season. So if you missed a gushing tribute

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<v Speaker 1>to Kunshidah as well as Renee's like very insightful description

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<v Speaker 1>of how it is that she knows Kenshiitah takes these

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<v Speaker 1>players through their you know, off season preparedness routines and

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<v Speaker 1>pre match routines. It was really insightful and I think,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, obviously hard work pays off, but at the

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<v Speaker 1>heart of it is just like a really really nice

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<v Speaker 1>dynamic between two people who are working together to achieve

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<v Speaker 1>amazing things. And I just want to call out quickly

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<v Speaker 1>before we get to the men, which is in a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of ways like a little bit more of an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting tournament for storylines. The one thing I'll sort of

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<v Speaker 1>say on the women's side is I was a little

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<v Speaker 1>shocked that Jung Chin Win's season has been so poor.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't expecting to beat Ego, especially on these slow courts,

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<v Speaker 1>but she really kind of faded, uh. And I wonder,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, she's a player that I really look forward

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<v Speaker 1>to watching. Obviously, these courts are you know, a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit to her favor because they're slower. She's having you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some struggles and it'll be interesting to see what, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>what happens, uh. And I think there's there's some other

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<v Speaker 1>players who are was kind of expecting a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more from and uh, you know, not your sublankcaus or fountecs.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do wonder, like, what the the separation between

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<v Speaker 1>that top five and everybody else is starting to feel

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<v Speaker 1>pretty significant. And I'm not sure John chin Win is

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<v Speaker 1>in it, but I definitely think you know, Maddie Keys,

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<v Speaker 1>despite a pretty flat semi final performance, definitely earned it.

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<v Speaker 1>She has great matches. But that was a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of an you know, sometimes people lay an egg and

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<v Speaker 1>turn of flat. That's kind of the downside of playing

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<v Speaker 1>such you know, big tennis. I think. So, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>really particularly perturbed or worried about that, but I do

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<v Speaker 1>think there's a pretty big gap between the top few

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<v Speaker 1>and the rest, and it seems to be widening.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's an interesting take. I hadn't really gone into

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<v Speaker 2>like the x's and o's like that when it came

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<v Speaker 2>to you know, who's having the most success and who's

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<v Speaker 2>really separating himself. But having said that, you listen, Mery

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<v Speaker 2>Andreas certainly put a name into the hat as a

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<v Speaker 2>player that is going to be incredibly tough to beat.

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<v Speaker 2>Maddie Keys clearly look that semi final. How did I

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<v Speaker 2>how do I describe that? I think, look, there was

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<v Speaker 2>there was an opportunity in the very early part of

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<v Speaker 2>the second set. I believe it was one all in

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<v Speaker 2>a second set with Maddie, or it might have even

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<v Speaker 2>been the first game. But anyway, you know when you lose,

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<v Speaker 2>when you win a set or lose a set six love,

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<v Speaker 2>and surprisingly these guys sabal Anka and Keys have had

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of six love or six one sets. It's

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<v Speaker 2>usually Maddie that's putting the six love a six one

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<v Speaker 2>set on Sonca. And then you know, we saw it

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<v Speaker 2>at the us Ophm where it was a six love,

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<v Speaker 2>five three lead for Maddie and then she ended up

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<v Speaker 2>crumpling and losing that. But actually, I will not say crumpling.

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<v Speaker 2>That is not true because as you heard in my

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<v Speaker 2>interview with her, I thought Sabalanka started stepping up and

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<v Speaker 2>playing really, really, really well, which taught Maddie a lesson

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<v Speaker 2>for the Austrain Open final. Because the Austrain Open Final,

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<v Speaker 2>she said, I can't let that happen again. I cannot

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<v Speaker 2>play passively against Sablenka. And there's no question that she

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<v Speaker 2>was stepping up to the play against Sabalanca in Indian wells.

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<v Speaker 2>She just was making the unforced darious that she wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>making this strain open. And also Sabolenka was playing a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit better. But there was a moment in the

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<v Speaker 2>very beginning of the second set where Maddie had a

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<v Speaker 2>break point and I thought that if Maddie win, that

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<v Speaker 2>wins that game. I think I'm not saying she would

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<v Speaker 2>have won, but I would have said that it would

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<v Speaker 2>have been a very, very competitive match. But it was

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<v Speaker 2>a long, long game and she didn't get through it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then all of a sudden, the wheels it again,

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<v Speaker 2>turning way too much and Sabolenca, you could see the

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<v Speaker 2>relief over her because she knew how important that game was.

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<v Speaker 2>So there are really even though the score line was

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<v Speaker 2>a thrashing, there are really small little windows in tennis

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<v Speaker 2>matches that can change them really quickly, and that was

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<v Speaker 2>one of them. Because I rewatched it again and I

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<v Speaker 2>thought that moment was huge. Having said that Saballnka played

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<v Speaker 2>the match of a life in the finals, I have

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<v Speaker 2>to say I was so impressed with Mira's ability to

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<v Speaker 2>not crumble after losing the first set, because we saw

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<v Speaker 2>her get pissed off we hit that ball out of

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<v Speaker 2>the crowd. She's funny enough say I'm really sorry about

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<v Speaker 2>how I acted. As you would probably say, I think

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<v Speaker 2>she said in the ceremony, you would call that being

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<v Speaker 2>a brat. I love her honesty. Said, yes, I do

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<v Speaker 2>not like to see that. I do not like to

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<v Speaker 2>see balls being hit out of like that. I do

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<v Speaker 2>not like to see the way eager who has also

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<v Speaker 2>said sorry in her post. But we've got to do

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<v Speaker 2>a bed and listen. This is coming from someone who

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<v Speaker 2>had a really pretty good temper on the court. But

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<v Speaker 2>I was not a real ball hitter out of the court.

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<v Speaker 2>I was more a little bit more of a self

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<v Speaker 2>sabotage to myself. So this hitting balls out of the stadium,

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<v Speaker 2>it's got to stop. I think that that we, the

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<v Speaker 2>tennis administration's, you know, establishments, needs to make some blanket

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<v Speaker 2>rules that if you hit balls into the crowd or

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<v Speaker 2>out of the stadium or things like that, you lose

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<v Speaker 2>a game or you lose something enormous. Maybe not a

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<v Speaker 2>walk over immediately, but it has to be punishable with

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<v Speaker 2>a really big fine or something, because it's the only

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<v Speaker 2>way to stop it. Agree, and I think there's too

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<v Speaker 2>much ambiguity.

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<v Speaker 1>Agree, and I think get away with it. We talked

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<v Speaker 1>about this at length a couple of years ago with

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<v Speaker 1>the nervacuus open issue, and everyone was like, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but it happened to hit some parts.

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<v Speaker 2>At Wembledon when he hit the ball into the crowd,

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<v Speaker 2>and they said, no, nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well me, all abuse is way worse than racket abuse,

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<v Speaker 1>unless you're throwing a racket at somebody, because ball abuse

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<v Speaker 1>can hit people because these balls bounce, obviously. And I

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<v Speaker 1>actually thought EGA's near miss with the ball boy was atrocious.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that she apologized for it. I appreciate that

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<v Speaker 1>you're bringing up mire Andreva. You know, you could see

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<v Speaker 1>the ball kild flinch terrified because the ball was coming

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<v Speaker 1>back at him unexpectedly pretty fast. And keep in mind

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<v Speaker 1>he's working in service of the player. Nobody deserves to

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<v Speaker 1>feel scared at their job ever, ever, Ever, And I think, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's got to be somewhere between point penalty and a default,

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<v Speaker 1>which obviously you get the deef if you hit somebody,

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<v Speaker 1>but something between that that feels punitive enough to discourage

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<v Speaker 1>it is. Yeah, is that a completely the right move?

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with you. Yeah, look, I think that I

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<v Speaker 2>think that Ego was hitting the ball in the direction

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<v Speaker 2>of her players box. I think that's what the intention was.

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<v Speaker 2>She was mad. We saw that with Novak. I think

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<v Speaker 2>he was hitting the ball in the direction of his

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<v Speaker 2>players box back at the US Open, because if you remember,

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<v Speaker 2>it was during the COVID where the player's box was

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<v Speaker 2>in a little bit of a different area, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think he was like pinging it up there towards them

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<v Speaker 2>and obviously hit the lines. Lady, And you know Steph

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<v Speaker 2>sister pass hit that ball. He hit a ball at

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<v Speaker 2>d C. I've told this story on the pod many

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<v Speaker 2>times where he hit a ball into the crowd and

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<v Speaker 2>a guy caught the ball and it was flying. He

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<v Speaker 2>hit it the way Mira Andreva hit it, which was

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<v Speaker 2>very very direct, and a guy caught it. And I

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<v Speaker 2>said to the referee, who was literally sitting next to

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<v Speaker 2>me watching the match, no warning. He didn't even get

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<v Speaker 2>a warning. And the referee said to me, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the guy caught it. I was like, what what what

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<v Speaker 2>has that got to do with a fine or a warning?

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<v Speaker 2>Like are you kidding? Because the guy caught it. What

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<v Speaker 2>if a girl, little girl is seven years of age.

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<v Speaker 2>It's heading right towards her head. We're hoping that she

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<v Speaker 2>catches it. So it's like we got to do.

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<v Speaker 1>With ambiguous and before we get to before we get

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<v Speaker 1>to Miami, let's talk about the men. I thought, gooday, wait, wait,

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<v Speaker 1>wait wait wait.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me just finish one thing on mirror. To get

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely smashed by a player in straight sets without even

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<v Speaker 2>a contest like two and three, three and two. The

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<v Speaker 2>two times that she has lost her this year in Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>Once in Australia, Oh no, twice in Australia, I believe,

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<v Speaker 2>once in Brisbane, once in Melbourne, and then to get

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<v Speaker 2>smashed in the first set in the biggest final of

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<v Speaker 2>her career and have the Huitzba to like hang in

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<v Speaker 2>there and step that up. She hit that winner to

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<v Speaker 2>break serve in the second set, and you saw that

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<v Speaker 2>come on from her. She was putting her line in

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<v Speaker 2>the sand. Not today. You are not kicking my butt today.

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<v Speaker 2>And that to me as a seventeen year old when

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<v Speaker 2>I saw the school line, because I was in Miami,

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<v Speaker 2>I was actually on the practice court when she was playing.

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<v Speaker 2>I ended up subsequently watching the match. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>this kid is special, not to refuse to get crushed

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<v Speaker 2>again by arguably the best hardcot player we've seen in many,

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<v Speaker 2>many years. Was so impressive, the way she stepped up

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<v Speaker 2>her game. I'm just I am blown away how special

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<v Speaker 2>this kid is. And I know everyone and the joke.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you've seen it, Caitlin, I do.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm still on Twitter, which I'm still trying to get

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<v Speaker 2>off of, but I did put a funny tweet out

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<v Speaker 2>when Jack Draper beat Carlos Archiaz and this is what

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<v Speaker 2>people don't understand about my irony and my being an Australian.

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<v Speaker 2>I just wrote immediately afterwards, Jack Draper is going to

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<v Speaker 2>win Wimbledon, and it was just I'm kind of joking, right,

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<v Speaker 2>you know my humor, and I just love the English

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<v Speaker 2>getting all pumped up with this guy who's winning a

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<v Speaker 2>major title and he's beaten out Christ. I'm like, he's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna win Wimbledon. So I just wrote Jack Draper's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>win Wimbledon. The amount of people that wrote me on

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<v Speaker 2>this tweet, no, he's not. He's not even good on

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<v Speaker 2>grasp well, first of all, he's won title on grass,

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<v Speaker 2>so that's horseshit. If I could go through line by

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<v Speaker 2>line the amount of people write that wrote me on

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<v Speaker 2>Twitter about this. I'm like, guys, it's not that serious.

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<v Speaker 2>Calm down, stop putting pressure on him. What are you

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<v Speaker 2>talking about? Blah blah blah. I was like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>he just beat the two times of ending Wimbledon champions.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just sort of said he's gonna win Wimbledon

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<v Speaker 2>as a joke. But my god, Jack don't win Wimbledon.

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<v Speaker 2>So I can literally put that tweet back up. And

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<v Speaker 2>then as a joke when Miro Andreva won, guess what

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<v Speaker 2>I wrote Caitlin on Twitters.

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<v Speaker 1>Got to win Wimbledon's.

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<v Speaker 2>Mirror andreve is gonna win Wimbledon. And then of course

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<v Speaker 2>litany of people again writing me, what are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>She lost in the first round last year, she can't

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<v Speaker 2>play on grant. I'm like, oh my god, you people

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<v Speaker 2>just don't understand humor. And also she can win Wimbledon

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<v Speaker 2>because her serve has gotten so much better and her

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<v Speaker 2>ability to plan any surface. Just wait, now, did I

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<v Speaker 2>say that they were gonna both gonna win wiledon We'll see,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll see.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's on you for being on Twitter. So

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like if you want to spend your energy

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<v Speaker 1>on that space, then that is your choice, and you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get a whole lot of nonsense because everyone's just

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<v Speaker 1>sitting there waiting to have their feelings hurt. Which you know, if.

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<v Speaker 2>I had one guy, I had one guy. Caitlyn came

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<v Speaker 2>after me and said, oh, what are you talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got to win seven matches to win a Grand

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<v Speaker 2>Slam and best of five and I'm like, really.

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<v Speaker 3>This is what you deserve. So but let's talk about

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<v Speaker 3>Let's talk about Jack Draper.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought Runa match was disappointing only because I know

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<v Speaker 1>Runa had played a great tournament. I got to watch

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<v Speaker 1>him a lot early.

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<v Speaker 3>I love his game.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so explosive and he's such a character. I watched

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<v Speaker 1>him play Quarantine mute at an outer court and I

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<v Speaker 1>like the personalities, as you know, and to me, I

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<v Speaker 1>think he played a little bit flat, which is not

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<v Speaker 1>to take anything away from Jack Draper, who obviously came

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<v Speaker 1>through the much much harder test of Carlito's alcoraz On.

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<v Speaker 2>The way in I saw him, I was in the

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<v Speaker 2>players area. I was on the second floor, he was

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<v Speaker 2>on the bottom floor, and there's this area in the

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<v Speaker 2>players little area where the locker rooms are where they

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<v Speaker 2>have the defending champions photos up there, the singles and

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<v Speaker 2>the doubles, which is nice that they put the doubles

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<v Speaker 2>up there. And I saw him. He was old by himself,

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<v Speaker 2>and he looked up and he took his phone out

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<v Speaker 2>and he took a photo of it. I was above

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<v Speaker 2>him and I was looking down, and I told him

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<v Speaker 2>because I saw him the next day so sleep taking

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<v Speaker 2>a photo. He goes, oh, you know you have to

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<v Speaker 2>take a photo. Oh he's so cute, So I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>come on.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think what I liked about his reaction to

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<v Speaker 1>his loss. And a couple of people, you know, on

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<v Speaker 1>the internet took issue with this, like they were like

0:22:12.960 --> 0:22:14.760
<v Speaker 1>he was making excuses. I actually don't think he was

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<v Speaker 1>making excuses. I think he was taking accountability, which is

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't play that well, I didn't practice that well.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't feel like myself, which everyone who's ever played, frankly,

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<v Speaker 1>any sport, much less tennis, knows sometimes you go out

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<v Speaker 1>there and you just don't feel yourself. And I think that,

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<v Speaker 1>to me is an understanding, not in any way to

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<v Speaker 1>take away from your opponent, but just just to sort

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<v Speaker 1>of say like, hey, I know I'm capable of more.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't show up to my fullest capability, and like

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<v Speaker 1>this gives me stuff to work on going forward, which

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<v Speaker 1>again is sort of an approach. I really like that. Said, like,

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<v Speaker 1>Jack Draper is so fun for tennis. He's fun at

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<v Speaker 1>the top of the game. He's extremely charismatic. I like

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<v Speaker 1>his swaggy sort of approach. And to me, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the storylines coming out of the men's side were really

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<v Speaker 1>exciting in this tournament. I thought they were. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>we had a great couple of last rounds with you know, Mehdi,

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<v Speaker 1>with with Runa and you know, obviously with Carlitosen and

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<v Speaker 1>Jack as our semi finalists. Like it was exciting and dynamic,

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<v Speaker 1>and I feel like the men now finally we have

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<v Speaker 1>some parody. I got to watch Novak Djokovic early. He

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<v Speaker 1>lost in a bizarre showing, which, you know, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>Andy Murray, I don't know what you are sort of

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<v Speaker 1>saying to Novak, do you have any idea what that

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<v Speaker 1>approach is? Right now? Novak seems like, you know, out

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<v Speaker 1>of sorts.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, again, I thought, you know, I get to

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<v Speaker 2>I'm lucky because you know, being on the road. Now coaching,

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<v Speaker 2>I get to see a lot of behind the scenes stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And Novak Djokovic has always been the type of person

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<v Speaker 2>who literally breaks down everything to the minutia, like we

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<v Speaker 2>are talking food, diet, training, hyperbaric chambers, travels with you know,

0:23:58.280 --> 0:24:03.000
<v Speaker 2>specific things. He just is always looking for the edge, right,

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<v Speaker 2>which is great. It's what has made him great. He's

0:24:06.480 --> 0:24:09.800
<v Speaker 2>always looking for that extra edge. And to watch him

0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:15.600
<v Speaker 2>yesterday on the grassed area of the Dolphin Stadium, so

0:24:15.760 --> 0:24:18.080
<v Speaker 2>you know where Cena coord is in Miami, all the

0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:19.960
<v Speaker 2>players are out there sort of doing their warm ups

0:24:20.000 --> 0:24:23.639
<v Speaker 2>and Novak was out there doing his warm up and

0:24:23.760 --> 0:24:26.520
<v Speaker 2>I saw him standing over there. They were about maybe

0:24:26.560 --> 0:24:28.919
<v Speaker 2>twenty meters away from me, sixty feet away from me,

0:24:29.760 --> 0:24:33.480
<v Speaker 2>and he's standing there talking to Andy about something on

0:24:33.520 --> 0:24:37.800
<v Speaker 2>his forehand. And the amount of times that I'd seen

0:24:37.880 --> 0:24:40.440
<v Speaker 2>him do that on a practice court or off of

0:24:40.520 --> 0:24:44.600
<v Speaker 2>the court. He just is just that a session with

0:24:44.720 --> 0:24:48.040
<v Speaker 2>wanting to be better and make something better. And I

0:24:48.200 --> 0:24:51.119
<v Speaker 2>know that Andy is also into the minutia of everything tennis,

0:24:51.160 --> 0:24:53.560
<v Speaker 2>whether it be his rackets, his strings, the way this,

0:24:53.760 --> 0:24:56.120
<v Speaker 2>or the way that. So I don't know, I don't

0:24:56.119 --> 0:24:58.280
<v Speaker 2>know if it's a good combination in some ways because

0:24:58.280 --> 0:25:04.560
<v Speaker 2>they're both so TechEd nicol and so like Granular. I

0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:08.680
<v Speaker 2>don't know, it's an interesting situation. I think. In the end,

0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:11.960
<v Speaker 2>and I've said this for a year, and I'll give

0:25:11.960 --> 0:25:15.080
<v Speaker 2>a lot of credit to Andrea Pekovich, at some point

0:25:15.160 --> 0:25:20.160
<v Speaker 2>you hit an age where things just get harder. And

0:25:20.520 --> 0:25:24.560
<v Speaker 2>at thirty eight years of age, you get that little

0:25:24.720 --> 0:25:28.040
<v Speaker 2>bit slower, You get that little bit nor more nervous,

0:25:28.080 --> 0:25:30.680
<v Speaker 2>you get that lack of You got that little bit

0:25:30.680 --> 0:25:32.560
<v Speaker 2>more lack. I don't even know how to put it.

0:25:32.720 --> 0:25:36.960
<v Speaker 2>You get less confident. And he hasn't won a tournament

0:25:37.600 --> 0:25:39.640
<v Speaker 2>since he won the Olympics last year, and he won

0:25:39.840 --> 0:25:42.600
<v Speaker 2>one tournament last year. And I don't care who you

0:25:42.680 --> 0:25:45.400
<v Speaker 2>are or how great you are. Just like Serena coming

0:25:45.400 --> 0:25:49.399
<v Speaker 2>to the end of her career, winning matches felt really big.

0:25:50.880 --> 0:25:55.080
<v Speaker 2>And I feel like Novak, as great as he played

0:25:55.080 --> 0:25:58.520
<v Speaker 2>in Australia, that injury really hurt him and it might

0:25:58.560 --> 0:26:01.120
<v Speaker 2>all turn around by the time and of course Wimbledon

0:26:01.160 --> 0:26:03.600
<v Speaker 2>comes around, which we know he's the best player in

0:26:03.640 --> 0:26:06.480
<v Speaker 2>the world on over the last ten to fifteen years,

0:26:06.480 --> 0:26:08.439
<v Speaker 2>even though Carlos has got him the last couple of times,

0:26:09.240 --> 0:26:12.439
<v Speaker 2>it's like, I just think it's getting harder, and I

0:26:12.600 --> 0:26:15.679
<v Speaker 2>just think he's losing confidence. And I don't care who's

0:26:15.720 --> 0:26:17.960
<v Speaker 2>in your corner, whether it be Annie Murray or Jesus

0:26:18.000 --> 0:26:22.720
<v Speaker 2>Christ superstar. You got to do it yourself. You got

0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:25.800
<v Speaker 2>to convince yourself you're still good enough to win these matches. Yeah,

0:26:25.880 --> 0:26:28.720
<v Speaker 2>and these guys are only getting better and better and better,

0:26:29.359 --> 0:26:34.400
<v Speaker 2>I can. The key is that these players, they are

0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:37.560
<v Speaker 2>starting to realize that he's not invincible. And that's the

0:26:37.640 --> 0:26:40.280
<v Speaker 2>key as well. The mental victory for these players is

0:26:40.280 --> 0:26:43.520
<v Speaker 2>not as hard. So physically he's getting a little bit

0:26:43.560 --> 0:26:46.159
<v Speaker 2>less and mentally a little less, and these players are

0:26:46.160 --> 0:26:48.320
<v Speaker 2>getting a little stronger and they feel like they can

0:26:48.359 --> 0:26:50.360
<v Speaker 2>beat him now, and that is massive.

0:26:51.280 --> 0:26:56.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't see him winning Miami, which is my way

0:26:56.480 --> 0:26:59.119
<v Speaker 1>of transitioning us over to the second half of the

0:26:59.160 --> 0:27:03.560
<v Speaker 1>Sunshine Double at the Miaomi Miami Open, which is where

0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:06.199
<v Speaker 1>you now find yourself. I might try to get down

0:27:06.240 --> 0:27:07.960
<v Speaker 1>there towards the end of the tournament, just because you know,

0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:12.360
<v Speaker 1>I like the humid either, yes, and I like sunshine,

0:27:12.359 --> 0:27:14.480
<v Speaker 1>and it's still very cold up here in New York.

0:27:14.520 --> 0:27:18.840
<v Speaker 1>But what are you thinking in terms of the first

0:27:18.840 --> 0:27:20.520
<v Speaker 1>half of the Sunshine Double setting us up for the

0:27:20.560 --> 0:27:23.560
<v Speaker 1>second half. Do you see anybody going to be able

0:27:23.600 --> 0:27:25.720
<v Speaker 1>to sort of put in strong performances back to back

0:27:25.880 --> 0:27:28.400
<v Speaker 1>or is this going to kind of be a dealer's

0:27:28.480 --> 0:27:32.200
<v Speaker 1>choice of you know, wild outcomes just in another direction

0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:33.560
<v Speaker 1>in another week and a half.

0:27:34.520 --> 0:27:36.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think we might get two completely different winners

0:27:36.840 --> 0:27:40.320
<v Speaker 2>this week. I don't see Jack Draper going back to back.

0:27:40.359 --> 0:27:42.400
<v Speaker 2>I think that's going to be really, really hard for him.

0:27:43.760 --> 0:27:47.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying he's not capable, you know, clearly, I

0:27:47.160 --> 0:27:51.719
<v Speaker 2>think he's gonna win Wimbledon. So jokes, people jokes, but

0:27:51.880 --> 0:27:54.520
<v Speaker 2>I do think that. God, I hope you wins. I'll

0:27:54.520 --> 0:27:59.200
<v Speaker 2>look like a legend. But I think that it's very, very,

0:27:59.320 --> 0:28:02.840
<v Speaker 2>very hard to win Sunshine Double. They are completely different

0:28:02.880 --> 0:28:06.359
<v Speaker 2>feelings on the court. Not only are they different the surfaces.

0:28:06.720 --> 0:28:09.240
<v Speaker 2>This is a little bit quicker here in Miami. The

0:28:09.320 --> 0:28:12.160
<v Speaker 2>humidity makes the world a difference to how the ball

0:28:12.160 --> 0:28:16.040
<v Speaker 2>plays as well. And guess what, it's a different ball.

0:28:16.280 --> 0:28:21.600
<v Speaker 2>So last week we had Wilson, I believe, is it Wilson, Yes, Wilson.

0:28:21.920 --> 0:28:26.440
<v Speaker 2>This week dune Lot, completely different ball. It gets dead

0:28:26.480 --> 0:28:30.119
<v Speaker 2>as a doornail. After three or four games, we've got

0:28:30.600 --> 0:28:33.360
<v Speaker 2>We've had the worst wind for three days here in Miami,

0:28:33.440 --> 0:28:35.879
<v Speaker 2>so that's also a factor. Yes, we had winded India

0:28:35.880 --> 0:28:39.640
<v Speaker 2>wells as well, so the players are just probably like, oh,

0:28:39.680 --> 0:28:42.560
<v Speaker 2>this fucking wins. Like there's just nothing worse than playing

0:28:42.560 --> 0:28:44.719
<v Speaker 2>in wind when you're a tennis player or a golfer

0:28:44.840 --> 0:28:48.920
<v Speaker 2>or anything outside. But I do see two different people

0:28:48.920 --> 0:28:51.800
<v Speaker 2>winning this tournament. I think it's very, very hard to

0:28:51.840 --> 0:28:54.680
<v Speaker 2>do the Sunshine double. We'll see if you know sable

0:28:54.680 --> 0:28:57.360
<v Speaker 2>Anka can come back and back it up here. Can

0:28:57.400 --> 0:29:01.040
<v Speaker 2>an American do something special the women's side, whether it

0:29:01.040 --> 0:29:03.800
<v Speaker 2>be Jaspagul or Mattie Keys, can she bounce back? I

0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:06.000
<v Speaker 2>hope Mattie Keys looks at that match and just like

0:29:06.160 --> 0:29:10.280
<v Speaker 2>literally just throws it away and just says, look, first

0:29:10.320 --> 0:29:13.120
<v Speaker 2>loss of the year. Who cares. Sable Anca got crushed

0:29:13.160 --> 0:29:16.080
<v Speaker 2>by rebarking a couple of years ago in Brisbane, same

0:29:16.160 --> 0:29:18.960
<v Speaker 2>score line, and then went on and won the Australian Open,

0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:22.360
<v Speaker 2>So you can have days like that. So I hope

0:29:22.360 --> 0:29:24.920
<v Speaker 2>that maybe Maddie comes back and has an even better

0:29:24.920 --> 0:29:29.080
<v Speaker 2>tournament in Miami, because I think clearly she practices in Florida.

0:29:29.120 --> 0:29:33.400
<v Speaker 2>So she's used for the conditions. So so we'll see

0:29:33.440 --> 0:29:36.400
<v Speaker 2>there rebarking our breakthrough. I don't know. I think al

0:29:36.440 --> 0:29:38.800
<v Speaker 2>Choraz might be the one. He gets a tremendous amount

0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:42.920
<v Speaker 2>of support here in Miami. He gets support everywhere he goes.

0:29:43.880 --> 0:29:45.840
<v Speaker 2>What do you back in the draw here?

0:29:46.720 --> 0:29:47.160
<v Speaker 3>What do you think?

0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:51.640
<v Speaker 1>A man curious? I wish she wouldn't, to be honest,

0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:55.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty over the neurious experience. Eh. Just you know,

0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:58.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh you don't care? Cool me neither. Keep a moment next,

0:29:59.120 --> 0:30:02.000
<v Speaker 1>h You know who I would love to see do well? Who? Also,

0:30:02.040 --> 0:30:06.400
<v Speaker 1>to your point about training in the South Florida humid,

0:30:07.240 --> 0:30:10.080
<v Speaker 1>you know thick con conditions is Cocoa Goff.

0:30:12.640 --> 0:30:13.640
<v Speaker 2>What do you think about Coco?

0:30:13.760 --> 0:30:15.040
<v Speaker 1>How do you? How do you? And this is kind

0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:19.080
<v Speaker 1>of what I meant about talking about the disparity between

0:30:19.080 --> 0:30:21.640
<v Speaker 1>the top few players and the rest of the field.

0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:24.320
<v Speaker 1>It feels to me a little bit And I love Coco,

0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:26.200
<v Speaker 1>So this isn't a diss It's just it feels to

0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:31.040
<v Speaker 1>me that the IgA Sebele Anka, Matty Keys, Mirror, Andreva

0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:35.560
<v Speaker 1>Cohort has pulled ahead a little bit of your Jess Bagoulas,

0:30:35.600 --> 0:30:39.360
<v Speaker 1>your Cocoa, goffs, your jun Cheng wins, you're like kind

0:30:39.400 --> 0:30:41.320
<v Speaker 1>of bottom half of the big of the top ten,

0:30:41.640 --> 0:30:45.360
<v Speaker 1>and beyond Coco is somebody who has been in both

0:30:45.360 --> 0:30:48.719
<v Speaker 1>groups as his jess Maybe this is harsh, I don't know,

0:30:48.800 --> 0:30:52.480
<v Speaker 1>but like it's I'd love to see Jessica or Coco

0:30:52.840 --> 0:30:55.800
<v Speaker 1>go deep and I don't know what their state of

0:30:55.840 --> 0:30:56.960
<v Speaker 1>their games is right now.

0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:05.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. You know, look, Coco is so unique because when

0:31:05.200 --> 0:31:10.000
<v Speaker 2>she's great, she's so great, and then she's you know, unfortunately,

0:31:10.040 --> 0:31:12.520
<v Speaker 2>and she's talking, she talked about it, impressed. She's like, look,

0:31:12.560 --> 0:31:15.840
<v Speaker 2>I started the year really well, United Cup, all these things.

0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:19.760
<v Speaker 2>But look, you know, I'll say it again. You know,

0:31:19.800 --> 0:31:22.680
<v Speaker 2>her technique fails under pressure at times and when you're

0:31:22.680 --> 0:31:25.080
<v Speaker 2>playing outside, and a lot of her success at the

0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:27.160
<v Speaker 2>end of last year and even at the beginning of

0:31:27.200 --> 0:31:31.840
<v Speaker 2>this year was played indoors, and so there's no wind,

0:31:31.880 --> 0:31:35.240
<v Speaker 2>there's no sun, there's no variables, and when you have

0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:37.920
<v Speaker 2>bad even you have technique that's questionable at times, whether

0:31:37.920 --> 0:31:40.280
<v Speaker 2>it be the second serve and the service motion and

0:31:40.320 --> 0:31:42.200
<v Speaker 2>the service script and all that sort of stuff. And

0:31:42.240 --> 0:31:46.400
<v Speaker 2>the forehand, it's like when there's wind and when there's

0:31:46.840 --> 0:31:50.720
<v Speaker 2>natural things going on around you, it affects your game more.

0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:55.840
<v Speaker 2>And so look, she practices in this all the time.

0:31:55.960 --> 0:31:58.960
<v Speaker 2>She practices and lives in Delray Beach area, so she's

0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:00.920
<v Speaker 2>getting wind all the time, so she should be used

0:32:00.960 --> 0:32:04.920
<v Speaker 2>to it. But you know, speaking of seeing people behind

0:32:05.800 --> 0:32:08.920
<v Speaker 2>the scenes, Look, I adore Coco Gough. I think she

0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:13.960
<v Speaker 2>is the nicest kid. She is so personable when you

0:32:14.000 --> 0:32:18.160
<v Speaker 2>see her. We talk about her thing that she invested

0:32:18.160 --> 0:32:20.400
<v Speaker 2>in Unrivaled Basketball, which is here in Miami, and I

0:32:20.440 --> 0:32:22.800
<v Speaker 2>went and saw it the other day and we just,

0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:24.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, we get along really well and we talk

0:32:24.480 --> 0:32:28.280
<v Speaker 2>and I hate talking about her critically because I think

0:32:28.320 --> 0:32:31.080
<v Speaker 2>she's just such a special person. But it is my

0:32:31.200 --> 0:32:34.160
<v Speaker 2>job to also try and teach people why, right, why

0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:36.640
<v Speaker 2>she doesn't have the success so they think she should.

0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:38.720
<v Speaker 2>And that's why her technique on her forehand and stuff

0:32:38.720 --> 0:32:40.640
<v Speaker 2>is always going to be a problem for her going forward.

0:32:41.600 --> 0:32:44.240
<v Speaker 2>So it's a matter of can she get over those humps.

0:32:44.760 --> 0:32:47.040
<v Speaker 2>Can she get through the tough three sets match, which

0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:49.560
<v Speaker 2>she didn't last week, And we'll see, She's going to

0:32:49.600 --> 0:32:52.600
<v Speaker 2>have unbelievable support here in Miami, and maybe this is

0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:54.680
<v Speaker 2>the breakthrough that she needs going into the clay, which

0:32:54.720 --> 0:32:57.080
<v Speaker 2>we know she plays well on so totally, I don't know.

0:32:57.840 --> 0:33:00.080
<v Speaker 2>It's a work in progress. It's going to be a

0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:02.280
<v Speaker 2>work in progress with the forehand and with the serf

0:33:02.400 --> 0:33:05.520
<v Speaker 2>going forward for the rest of her career. And when

0:33:05.560 --> 0:33:08.520
<v Speaker 2>she loses, that is why she's going to lose. So

0:33:08.640 --> 0:33:11.320
<v Speaker 2>it's that's why we always talk about it. You know,

0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:15.600
<v Speaker 2>Mattie Keith, Why did she lose? Well, we've talked about

0:33:15.600 --> 0:33:18.200
<v Speaker 2>it for a long time about her anxiety and going

0:33:18.240 --> 0:33:20.440
<v Speaker 2>for too much and all that sort of stuff. So everyone,

0:33:21.120 --> 0:33:25.360
<v Speaker 2>no one, no one's immune from being criticized, not criticized,

0:33:25.400 --> 0:33:27.920
<v Speaker 2>but understanding why they lose, Yeah, for sure, And that's

0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:30.280
<v Speaker 2>why she loses. I So we'll see.

0:33:30.440 --> 0:33:33.600
<v Speaker 1>I want to end this on one or two more

0:33:33.680 --> 0:33:36.000
<v Speaker 1>names that I think people who listen to this podcast

0:33:36.040 --> 0:33:38.640
<v Speaker 1>are probably curious about, who we haven't talked about so much.

0:33:38.800 --> 0:33:41.360
<v Speaker 1>Pretty recently you mentioned a curious There's a reason we

0:33:41.400 --> 0:33:44.240
<v Speaker 1>haven't talked about him because he's not really playing tennisee often.

0:33:44.320 --> 0:33:46.719
<v Speaker 1>We'll see what happens in Miami. We know he's going

0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:49.680
<v Speaker 1>to be at all the parties and brand appearances, and

0:33:49.720 --> 0:33:54.800
<v Speaker 1>then probably nothing else. Naomi Osaka. She's also been a

0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:56.800
<v Speaker 1>ton of brand work, but not a ton of court

0:33:56.840 --> 0:33:59.800
<v Speaker 1>work in the last like year or two since coming

0:33:59.800 --> 0:34:02.160
<v Speaker 1>back from attorney leave. You know, get that bag on

0:34:02.160 --> 0:34:04.760
<v Speaker 1>one hand, On the other hand, like, how emotionally invested

0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:06.520
<v Speaker 1>do I need to be in the Nemeasaka come back,

0:34:06.600 --> 0:34:09.400
<v Speaker 1>especially when she hares and has the team around her

0:34:09.400 --> 0:34:12.840
<v Speaker 1>that she does. I don't know. I can't tell you.

0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:17.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm tremendously emotionally invested, but hard to imagine she shows

0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:20.279
<v Speaker 1>up in a big way. And then daniel Collins, who

0:34:20.280 --> 0:34:23.600
<v Speaker 1>won this tournament last year, who you know, is a

0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:30.080
<v Speaker 1>fan vector of emotions. I love her, but also she's

0:34:30.120 --> 0:34:32.759
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more like, you know, like a lot

0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:34.960
<v Speaker 1>of people with strong personalities, myself included. You know, we're

0:34:34.960 --> 0:34:35.680
<v Speaker 1>not for everybody.

0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:40.240
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, daniel I'll tell you what I coached against

0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:42.160
<v Speaker 2>her in doubles last week in Indian Wells in the

0:34:42.160 --> 0:34:44.399
<v Speaker 2>first round. And I don't know if that's the much

0:34:44.400 --> 0:34:46.600
<v Speaker 2>you were at. Now you're at the second round and

0:34:47.040 --> 0:34:49.759
<v Speaker 2>they loved her there. Oh my god. The moment she

0:34:49.800 --> 0:34:53.120
<v Speaker 2>stepped on court, the crowd in Indian Wells was like

0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:56.080
<v Speaker 2>could not get enough of Danielle Collins. So I think

0:34:56.719 --> 0:34:59.520
<v Speaker 2>you said it right. You either love her or you

0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:01.440
<v Speaker 2>hate her. There's no in between, there's.

0:35:01.280 --> 0:35:03.120
<v Speaker 1>No yeah, you can't.

0:35:03.440 --> 0:35:06.560
<v Speaker 2>You love it or you hate her. Yep, And so

0:35:07.760 --> 0:35:11.040
<v Speaker 2>it'll be this is obviously a completely huge week for her.

0:35:12.040 --> 0:35:14.840
<v Speaker 2>I'll get to her before I get to Naomi because

0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:18.600
<v Speaker 2>Daniel Collins clearly is the defending champion, So she has

0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:23.240
<v Speaker 2>a tremendous amount of points coming off the calendar's ranking

0:35:23.760 --> 0:35:27.239
<v Speaker 2>this week and in two weeks time, because she won

0:35:27.320 --> 0:35:31.200
<v Speaker 2>Charleston as well, So the majority of her points are

0:35:31.239 --> 0:35:34.760
<v Speaker 2>coming off if she doesn't defend them. So for people

0:35:34.760 --> 0:35:37.080
<v Speaker 2>that don't understand the ranking, the way it works, it's

0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:40.480
<v Speaker 2>a twelve month rotation of points. Your points go off

0:35:40.600 --> 0:35:43.640
<v Speaker 2>the week, that same week the next year. Let's say

0:35:43.719 --> 0:35:46.880
<v Speaker 2>Miami didn't happen, you would lose your points. It's like

0:35:46.920 --> 0:35:49.359
<v Speaker 2>too bad, or if you got injured, too bad. So

0:35:49.560 --> 0:35:51.839
<v Speaker 2>she either has to win this tournament or she will

0:35:51.920 --> 0:35:55.040
<v Speaker 2>drop in the rankings, and same with Charleston. So she's

0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:57.200
<v Speaker 2>under a tremendous amount of pressure to do well. She's

0:35:57.239 --> 0:35:59.200
<v Speaker 2>the one that decided to come back and play another year,

0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:02.600
<v Speaker 2>and so a lot is a lot is going to

0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:05.960
<v Speaker 2>drive I think her future in the next three weeks,

0:36:06.239 --> 0:36:08.279
<v Speaker 2>so we'll see how she does. Clearly she loves playing

0:36:08.280 --> 0:36:12.440
<v Speaker 2>in Miami. In Miami, she's a Florida girl, Saint Petersburg, Florida.

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<v Speaker 2>She's used to the weather, she's used to the wind,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I expected to have a pretty good tournament.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see how she goes. Naomi Osaka, she has a

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<v Speaker 2>tough she has a stard oops of the first round.

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<v Speaker 2>I see her getting through that, and then she plays

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<v Speaker 2>sam Sonova in the second round. That is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a big hitting affair. She can get through sam Sonova,

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see because that is an opportunity for her to

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<v Speaker 2>maybe get the confidence. And she's in Casakina section there,

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<v Speaker 2>so I see her hitting at Casakina off the court.

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<v Speaker 2>If she plays well, it's always in Naomi's hands how

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<v Speaker 2>well she plays. But at the same time, you got

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<v Speaker 2>to get through these players. They're going to make a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of balls and make you play. And when she

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<v Speaker 2>played Osorio in the first round of Indian Wells, my

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<v Speaker 2>first thought was, Ooh, that's not a good draw for her,

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<v Speaker 2>because so Sorrio makes a gazillion balls and will make

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<v Speaker 2>you play. And so there's a lot of pressure on

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<v Speaker 2>you to hit winners, so if you're not super confident,

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<v Speaker 2>whereas sam Sonova, for example, is going to hit winners

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<v Speaker 2>or make mistakes. So it's an interesting juxtapose for her there.

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<v Speaker 2>You know who's going to get the first strike. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. She's a Miami girl herself. She grew up

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<v Speaker 2>in the Boca area Delray area as well, so she's

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<v Speaker 2>used to these conditions. We'll see. It'd be nice for

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<v Speaker 2>her to break through, but I think it's becoming a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit like Novak, harder and harder to get the

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<v Speaker 2>confidence back. And I don't care who you are and

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<v Speaker 2>how great a career you've had. At some point, when

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<v Speaker 2>you lose your confidence, it's hard to get it back

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<v Speaker 2>unless you break through that wall. And that wall is

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<v Speaker 2>getting harder and harder and thicker and thicker because the

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<v Speaker 2>players are so good around her.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the parting fart I'll share here, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I've got to let you get back to your coaching

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<v Speaker 1>duties and I got to run around here. You know

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<v Speaker 1>who would be great in Naomi's bucks to Novak steps

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<v Speaker 1>to Sade is Andy Murray.

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<v Speaker 2>No way, I would love to for Andy Murray I

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<v Speaker 2>want Andy Murray to spend two years at home and

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<v Speaker 2>feel like I feel like with four kids at home,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like he feels like that's like solitary confinement,

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<v Speaker 2>to be home with his four kids and his wife. Like, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>I love you. I love Andy Murray so much. He

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<v Speaker 2>knows how much I love him. But my god, these

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<v Speaker 2>blokes they just like to be on the road. Family.

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<v Speaker 2>Go see.

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<v Speaker 1>I know I'm serious, and be like, not on my watch.

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<v Speaker 1>She doesn't want tobe. She's just like, get out of Andy.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason we have four kids, the reason we're still

0:38:45.080 --> 0:38:49.200
<v Speaker 2>married is because you're never okay. You know, oh Renee substairs.

0:38:49.239 --> 0:38:51.680
<v Speaker 2>Andy Murray doesn't spend enough time with his kids, That'll

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<v Speaker 2>be the thing that will be the headline. And then

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna have to be like, oh my god. It's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like, well, you're doing this to your sad

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<v Speaker 2>Draper is gonna win get it too much.

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<v Speaker 1>You're doing it to yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>So are usual?

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<v Speaker 2>All right? Talk to you today, Thanks everybody, and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>see you with a wrap up maybe a midweek mid week. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll give you all the lockdown of Miami. All right, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see you next week bye,