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Speaker 2: Hey, everyone, welcome to the Renee thub At Tennis Podcast.

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Speaker 2: I am on the road in Miami. Caitlin is at

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Speaker 2: home in New York, and we have so much to

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Speaker 2: talk about. Oh my god, Indivian, Wells, Mira andriv But

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Speaker 2: before we get to that, Caitlyn, you went to space

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Speaker 2: last week.

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Speaker 1: I have returned from Space the Final Frontier. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: have to say, Isaac, my kid's Space camp. It was amazing.

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Speaker 1: Any parents out there who have a nurse highly recommend.

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Speaker 2: Although you have to.

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Speaker 1: You have to.

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Speaker 2: Reference to the fact that the hotel is not exactly

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Speaker 2: like a five star hotel.

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Speaker 1: It isn't even a hotel at all. It's a habitat.

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Speaker 1: It has no windows or blankets. The showers are rough,

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Speaker 1: and you know, conditions are less than ideal, but as

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Speaker 1: they would be in space. You don't even get to

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Speaker 1: take a shower in space. They use baby wipes. I learned,

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Speaker 1: which you know, those people who got stranded on the

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Speaker 1: space station for eight and a half extra months. They

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Speaker 1: were expecting hot showers and instead they got baby wipes,

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Speaker 1: So you know, not everything's easy in space forne He

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Speaker 1: had a lot of complaints about the food. My kid

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Speaker 1: had a lot of complaints about the rustic accommodations. But

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Speaker 1: also we did amazing things and went on moonwalks and

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Speaker 1: did missions and zero gravity training. So you know, this

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Speaker 1: is just a day in the life of a parent,

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Speaker 1: kind of similar to the mode you are in as

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Speaker 1: a coach. Do you feel like coaching and parenting is

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Speaker 1: probably kind of somewhat related. I got to see you

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Speaker 1: in action last week and it emails coaching, Alan Perez.

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Speaker 2: Coaching is a lot like parenting because you have this

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Speaker 2: you have to walk a fine line, as you know, right,

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Speaker 2: so you know, you want to teach your kid certain things, right,

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Speaker 2: You want to teach them certain things and certain habits

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Speaker 2: and sometimes you don't want to go too far. You

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Speaker 2: don't want them to get away with too much. So

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Speaker 2: there's like that balance of like how much can you

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Speaker 2: tell them, how much can you keep reinforcing it right.

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Speaker 2: If they keep doing the same mistake, do you keep

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Speaker 2: that really unique balance with coaching, as I think it

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Speaker 1: I was super impressed and enjoyed greatly. I've seen you

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Speaker 1: see Ellen Perez, who was playing with Yelena Ostapenko. They

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Speaker 1: had a pretty good run in Indian Wells. I thought

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Speaker 1: it was nice to sit with you in sam Stosa

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Speaker 1: and get to watch some great tennis, which is why,

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Speaker 1: recap what a great Indian Wells that was? What a

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Speaker 1: great Indian Wells. I thought it was a phenomenal addition

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you had said to me, the winner

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Speaker 2: So you know, the parody. The great thing is the parody.

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Speaker 2: I've put out a funny tweet about, Oh, I guess

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Speaker 1: No, but I think that's a good indicator. And obviously,

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Speaker 1: you know, coming back to Mira Andreva, you know who

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Speaker 1: wasn't thrilled to see the positive dynamic, the incredibly thoughtful

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Speaker 1: to Kunshidah as well as Renee's like very insightful description

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Speaker 1: She has great matches. But that was a little bit

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Speaker 2: So I just sort of said he's gonna win Wimbledon

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Speaker 1: It's so explosive and he's such a character. I watched

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Speaker 1: his swaggy sort of approach. And to me, you know,

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Speaker 1: the storylines coming out of the men's side were really

430
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Speaker 1: exciting in this tournament. I thought they were. I thought

431
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 1: we had a great couple of last rounds with you know, Mehdi,

432
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Speaker 1: with with Runa and you know, obviously with Carlitosen and

433
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Speaker 1: Jack as our semi finalists. Like it was exciting and dynamic,

434
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Speaker 1: and I feel like the men now finally we have

435
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Speaker 1: some parody. I got to watch Novak Djokovic early. He

436
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 1: lost in a bizarre showing, which, you know, if you're

437
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 1: Andy Murray, I don't know what you are sort of

438
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Speaker 1: saying to Novak, do you have any idea what that

439
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 1: approach is? Right now? Novak seems like, you know, out

440
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Speaker 1: of sorts.

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Speaker 2: You know, again, I thought, you know, I get to

442
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 2: I'm lucky because you know, being on the road. Now coaching,

443
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 2: I get to see a lot of behind the scenes stuff.

444
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Speaker 2: And Novak Djokovic has always been the type of person

445
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 2: who literally breaks down everything to the minutia, like we

446
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:58,199
Speaker 2: are talking food, diet, training, hyperbaric chambers, travels with you know,

447
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 2: specific things. He just is always looking for the edge, right,

448
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 2: which is great. It's what has made him great. He's

449
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 2: always looking for that extra edge. And to watch him

450
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 2: yesterday on the grassed area of the Dolphin Stadium, so

451
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 2: you know where Cena coord is in Miami, all the

452
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Speaker 2: players are out there sort of doing their warm ups

453
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Speaker 2: and Novak was out there doing his warm up and

454
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Speaker 2: I saw him standing over there. They were about maybe

455
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Speaker 2: twenty meters away from me, sixty feet away from me,

456
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Speaker 2: and he's standing there talking to Andy about something on

457
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Speaker 2: his forehand. And the amount of times that I'd seen

458
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Speaker 2: him do that on a practice court or off of

459
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Speaker 2: the court. He just is just that a session with

460
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Speaker 2: wanting to be better and make something better. And I

461
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 2: know that Andy is also into the minutia of everything tennis,

462
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Speaker 2: whether it be his rackets, his strings, the way this,

463
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Speaker 2: or the way that. So I don't know, I don't

464
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Speaker 2: know if it's a good combination in some ways because

465
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Speaker 2: they're both so TechEd nicol and so like Granular. I

466
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Speaker 2: don't know, it's an interesting situation. I think. In the end,

467
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Speaker 2: and I've said this for a year, and I'll give

468
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Speaker 2: a lot of credit to Andrea Pekovich, at some point

469
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 2: you hit an age where things just get harder. And

470
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Speaker 2: at thirty eight years of age, you get that little

471
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 2: bit slower, You get that little bit nor more nervous,

472
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Speaker 2: you get that lack of You got that little bit

473
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Speaker 2: more lack. I don't even know how to put it.

474
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Speaker 2: You get less confident. And he hasn't won a tournament

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Speaker 2: since he won the Olympics last year, and he won

476
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Speaker 2: one tournament last year. And I don't care who you

477
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Speaker 2: are or how great you are. Just like Serena coming

478
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Speaker 2: to the end of her career, winning matches felt really big.

479
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Speaker 2: And I feel like Novak, as great as he played

480
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Speaker 2: in Australia, that injury really hurt him and it might

481
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Speaker 2: all turn around by the time and of course Wimbledon

482
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Speaker 2: comes around, which we know he's the best player in

483
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Speaker 2: the world on over the last ten to fifteen years,

484
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Speaker 2: even though Carlos has got him the last couple of times,

485
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Speaker 2: it's like, I just think it's getting harder, and I

486
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Speaker 2: just think he's losing confidence. And I don't care who's

487
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Speaker 2: in your corner, whether it be Annie Murray or Jesus

488
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 2: Christ superstar. You got to do it yourself. You got

489
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Speaker 2: to convince yourself you're still good enough to win these matches. Yeah,

490
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 2: and these guys are only getting better and better and better,

491
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Speaker 2: I can. The key is that these players, they are

492
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Speaker 2: starting to realize that he's not invincible. And that's the

493
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 2: key as well. The mental victory for these players is

494
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Speaker 2: not as hard. So physically he's getting a little bit

495
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 2: less and mentally a little less, and these players are

496
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Speaker 2: getting a little stronger and they feel like they can

497
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Speaker 2: beat him now, and that is massive.

498
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Speaker 1: I don't see him winning Miami, which is my way

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Speaker 1: of transitioning us over to the second half of the

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Speaker 1: Sunshine Double at the Miaomi Miami Open, which is where

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00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 1: you now find yourself. I might try to get down

502
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: there towards the end of the tournament, just because you know,

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Speaker 1: I like the humid either, yes, and I like sunshine,

504
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: and it's still very cold up here in New York.

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Speaker 1: But what are you thinking in terms of the first

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Speaker 1: half of the Sunshine Double setting us up for the

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Speaker 1: second half. Do you see anybody going to be able

508
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Speaker 1: to sort of put in strong performances back to back

509
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Speaker 1: or is this going to kind of be a dealer's

510
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: choice of you know, wild outcomes just in another direction

511
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Speaker 1: in another week and a half.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we might get two completely different winners

513
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: this week. I don't see Jack Draper going back to back.

514
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 2: I think that's going to be really, really hard for him.

515
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 2: I'm not saying he's not capable, you know, clearly, I

516
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:51,719
Speaker 2: think he's gonna win Wimbledon. So jokes, people jokes, but

517
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 2: I do think that. God, I hope you wins. I'll

518
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 2: look like a legend. But I think that it's very, very,

519
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 2: very hard to win Sunshine Double. They are completely different

520
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 2: feelings on the court. Not only are they different the surfaces.

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00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 2: This is a little bit quicker here in Miami. The

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00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 2: humidity makes the world a difference to how the ball

523
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Speaker 2: plays as well. And guess what, it's a different ball.

524
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Speaker 2: So last week we had Wilson, I believe, is it Wilson, Yes, Wilson.

525
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 2: This week dune Lot, completely different ball. It gets dead

526
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Speaker 2: as a doornail. After three or four games, we've got

527
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Speaker 2: We've had the worst wind for three days here in Miami,

528
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Speaker 2: so that's also a factor. Yes, we had winded India

529
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 2: wells as well, so the players are just probably like, oh,

530
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 2: this fucking wins. Like there's just nothing worse than playing

531
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Speaker 2: in wind when you're a tennis player or a golfer

532
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 2: or anything outside. But I do see two different people

533
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Speaker 2: winning this tournament. I think it's very, very hard to

534
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 2: do the Sunshine double. We'll see if you know sable

535
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 2: Anka can come back and back it up here. Can

536
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Speaker 2: an American do something special the women's side, whether it

537
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 2: be Jaspagul or Mattie Keys, can she bounce back? I

538
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 2: hope Mattie Keys looks at that match and just like

539
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 2: literally just throws it away and just says, look, first

540
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 2: loss of the year. Who cares. Sable Anca got crushed

541
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Speaker 2: by rebarking a couple of years ago in Brisbane, same

542
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 2: score line, and then went on and won the Australian Open,

543
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 2: So you can have days like that. So I hope

544
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Speaker 2: that maybe Maddie comes back and has an even better

545
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 2: tournament in Miami, because I think clearly she practices in Florida.

546
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 2: So she's used for the conditions. So so we'll see

547
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 2: there rebarking our breakthrough. I don't know. I think al

548
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 2: Choraz might be the one. He gets a tremendous amount

549
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 2: of support here in Miami. He gets support everywhere he goes.

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Speaker 2: What do you back in the draw here?

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Speaker 3: What do you think?

552
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Speaker 1: A man curious? I wish she wouldn't, to be honest,

553
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: I'm pretty over the neurious experience. Eh. Just you know,

554
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: Oh you don't care? Cool me neither. Keep a moment next,

555
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: h You know who I would love to see do well? Who? Also,

556
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: to your point about training in the South Florida humid,

557
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: you know thick con conditions is Cocoa Goff.

558
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Speaker 2: What do you think about Coco?

559
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Speaker 1: How do you? How do you? And this is kind

560
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: of what I meant about talking about the disparity between

561
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Speaker 1: the top few players and the rest of the field.

562
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Speaker 1: It feels to me a little bit And I love Coco,

563
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Speaker 1: So this isn't a diss It's just it feels to

564
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Speaker 1: me that the IgA Sebele Anka, Matty Keys, Mirror, Andreva

565
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Speaker 1: Cohort has pulled ahead a little bit of your Jess Bagoulas,

566
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Speaker 1: your Cocoa, goffs, your jun Cheng wins, you're like kind

567
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Speaker 1: of bottom half of the big of the top ten,

568
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Speaker 1: and beyond Coco is somebody who has been in both

569
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Speaker 1: groups as his jess Maybe this is harsh, I don't know,

570
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: but like it's I'd love to see Jessica or Coco

571
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: go deep and I don't know what their state of

572
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: their games is right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, look, Coco is so unique because when

574
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 2: she's great, she's so great, and then she's you know, unfortunately,

575
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 2: and she's talking, she talked about it, impressed. She's like, look,

576
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 2: I started the year really well, United Cup, all these things.

577
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 2: But look, you know, I'll say it again. You know,

578
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 2: her technique fails under pressure at times and when you're

579
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 2: playing outside, and a lot of her success at the

580
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 2: end of last year and even at the beginning of

581
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: this year was played indoors, and so there's no wind,

582
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 2: there's no sun, there's no variables, and when you have

583
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 2: bad even you have technique that's questionable at times, whether

584
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 2: it be the second serve and the service motion and

585
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 2: the service script and all that sort of stuff. And

586
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 2: the forehand, it's like when there's wind and when there's

587
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 2: natural things going on around you, it affects your game more.

588
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 2: And so look, she practices in this all the time.

589
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 2: She practices and lives in Delray Beach area, so she's

590
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 2: getting wind all the time, so she should be used

591
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 2: to it. But you know, speaking of seeing people behind

592
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: the scenes, Look, I adore Coco Gough. I think she

593
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 2: is the nicest kid. She is so personable when you

594
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 2: see her. We talk about her thing that she invested

595
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 2: in Unrivaled Basketball, which is here in Miami, and I

596
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 2: went and saw it the other day and we just,

597
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 2: you know, we get along really well and we talk

598
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 2: and I hate talking about her critically because I think

599
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 2: she's just such a special person. But it is my

600
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: job to also try and teach people why, right, why

601
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 2: she doesn't have the success so they think she should.

602
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 2: And that's why her technique on her forehand and stuff

603
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 2: is always going to be a problem for her going forward.

604
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 2: So it's a matter of can she get over those humps.

605
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 2: Can she get through the tough three sets match, which

606
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 2: she didn't last week, And we'll see, She's going to

607
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 2: have unbelievable support here in Miami, and maybe this is

608
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Speaker 2: the breakthrough that she needs going into the clay, which

609
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 2: we know she plays well on so totally, I don't know.

610
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Speaker 2: It's a work in progress. It's going to be a

611
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 2: work in progress with the forehand and with the serf

612
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 2: going forward for the rest of her career. And when

613
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 2: she loses, that is why she's going to lose. So

614
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 2: it's that's why we always talk about it. You know,

615
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 2: Mattie Keith, Why did she lose? Well, we've talked about

616
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 2: it for a long time about her anxiety and going

617
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 2: for too much and all that sort of stuff. So everyone,

618
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: no one, no one's immune from being criticized, not criticized,

619
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Speaker 2: but understanding why they lose, Yeah, for sure, And that's

620
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 2: why she loses. I So we'll see.

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Speaker 1: I want to end this on one or two more

622
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Speaker 1: names that I think people who listen to this podcast

623
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: are probably curious about, who we haven't talked about so much.

624
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: Pretty recently you mentioned a curious There's a reason we

625
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: haven't talked about him because he's not really playing tennisee often.

626
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,719
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens in Miami. We know he's going

627
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: to be at all the parties and brand appearances, and

628
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: then probably nothing else. Naomi Osaka. She's also been a

629
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: ton of brand work, but not a ton of court

630
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: work in the last like year or two since coming

631
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: back from attorney leave. You know, get that bag on

632
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: one hand, On the other hand, like, how emotionally invested

633
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: do I need to be in the Nemeasaka come back,

634
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: especially when she hares and has the team around her

635
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: that she does. I don't know. I can't tell you.

636
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: I'm tremendously emotionally invested, but hard to imagine she shows

637
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: up in a big way. And then daniel Collins, who

638
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: won this tournament last year, who you know, is a

639
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: fan vector of emotions. I love her, but also she's

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Speaker 1: a little bit more like, you know, like a lot

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Speaker 1: of people with strong personalities, myself included. You know, we're

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Speaker 1: not for everybody.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, daniel I'll tell you what I coached against

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Speaker 2: her in doubles last week in Indian Wells in the

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Speaker 2: first round. And I don't know if that's the much

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Speaker 2: you were at. Now you're at the second round and

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Speaker 2: they loved her there. Oh my god. The moment she

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Speaker 2: stepped on court, the crowd in Indian Wells was like

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00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 2: could not get enough of Danielle Collins. So I think

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Speaker 2: you said it right. You either love her or you

651
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Speaker 2: hate her. There's no in between, there's.

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Speaker 1: No yeah, you can't.

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Speaker 2: You love it or you hate her. Yep, And so

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Speaker 2: it'll be this is obviously a completely huge week for her.

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Speaker 2: I'll get to her before I get to Naomi because

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Speaker 2: Daniel Collins clearly is the defending champion, So she has

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Speaker 2: a tremendous amount of points coming off the calendar's ranking

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Speaker 2: this week and in two weeks time, because she won

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Speaker 2: Charleston as well, So the majority of her points are

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Speaker 2: coming off if she doesn't defend them. So for people

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Speaker 2: that don't understand the ranking, the way it works, it's

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Speaker 2: a twelve month rotation of points. Your points go off

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Speaker 2: the week, that same week the next year. Let's say

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Speaker 2: Miami didn't happen, you would lose your points. It's like

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00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 2: too bad, or if you got injured, too bad. So

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Speaker 2: she either has to win this tournament or she will

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Speaker 2: drop in the rankings, and same with Charleston. So she's

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Speaker 2: under a tremendous amount of pressure to do well. She's

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Speaker 2: the one that decided to come back and play another year,

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Speaker 2: and so a lot is a lot is going to

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Speaker 2: drive I think her future in the next three weeks,

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Speaker 2: so we'll see how she does. Clearly she loves playing

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Speaker 2: in Miami. In Miami, she's a Florida girl, Saint Petersburg, Florida.

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Speaker 2: She's used to the weather, she's used to the wind,

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Speaker 2: and so I expected to have a pretty good tournament.

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Speaker 2: We'll see how she goes. Naomi Osaka, she has a

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Speaker 2: tough she has a stard oops of the first round.

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Speaker 2: I see her getting through that, and then she plays

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Speaker 2: sam Sonova in the second round. That is going to

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Speaker 2: be a big hitting affair. She can get through sam Sonova,

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Speaker 2: We'll see because that is an opportunity for her to

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Speaker 2: maybe get the confidence. And she's in Casakina section there,

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Speaker 2: so I see her hitting at Casakina off the court.

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Speaker 2: If she plays well, it's always in Naomi's hands how

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Speaker 2: well she plays. But at the same time, you got

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Speaker 2: to get through these players. They're going to make a

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Speaker 2: lot of balls and make you play. And when she

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Speaker 2: played Osorio in the first round of Indian Wells, my

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Speaker 2: first thought was, Ooh, that's not a good draw for her,

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Speaker 2: because so Sorrio makes a gazillion balls and will make

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Speaker 2: you play. And so there's a lot of pressure on

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Speaker 2: you to hit winners, so if you're not super confident,

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Speaker 2: whereas sam Sonova, for example, is going to hit winners

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Speaker 2: or make mistakes. So it's an interesting juxtapose for her there.

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Speaker 2: You know who's going to get the first strike. I

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Speaker 2: don't know. She's a Miami girl herself. She grew up

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Speaker 2: in the Boca area Delray area as well, so she's

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Speaker 2: used to these conditions. We'll see. It'd be nice for

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Speaker 2: her to break through, but I think it's becoming a

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Speaker 2: little bit like Novak, harder and harder to get the

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Speaker 2: confidence back. And I don't care who you are and

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Speaker 2: how great a career you've had. At some point, when

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Speaker 2: you lose your confidence, it's hard to get it back

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Speaker 2: unless you break through that wall. And that wall is

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Speaker 2: getting harder and harder and thicker and thicker because the

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Speaker 2: players are so good around her.

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Speaker 1: You know, the parting fart I'll share here, and then

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Speaker 1: I've got to let you get back to your coaching

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Speaker 1: duties and I got to run around here. You know

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Speaker 1: who would be great in Naomi's bucks to Novak steps

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Speaker 1: to Sade is Andy Murray.

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Speaker 2: No way, I would love to for Andy Murray I

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Speaker 2: want Andy Murray to spend two years at home and

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Speaker 2: feel like I feel like with four kids at home,

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Speaker 2: I feel like he feels like that's like solitary confinement,

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Speaker 2: to be home with his four kids and his wife. Like, dude,

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Speaker 2: I love you. I love Andy Murray so much. He

718
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Speaker 2: knows how much I love him. But my god, these

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Speaker 2: blokes they just like to be on the road. Family.

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Speaker 2: Go see.

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Speaker 1: I know I'm serious, and be like, not on my watch.

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Speaker 1: She doesn't want tobe. She's just like, get out of Andy.

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Speaker 2: The reason we have four kids, the reason we're still

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Speaker 2: married is because you're never okay. You know, oh Renee substairs.

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Speaker 2: Andy Murray doesn't spend enough time with his kids, That'll

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Speaker 2: be the thing that will be the headline. And then

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to be like, oh my god. It's

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Speaker 2: kind of like, well, you're doing this to your sad

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Speaker 2: Draper is gonna win get it too much.

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Speaker 1: You're doing it to yourself.

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Speaker 3: So are usual?

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Speaker 2: All right? Talk to you today, Thanks everybody, and we'll

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Speaker 2: see you with a wrap up maybe a midweek mid week. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and we'll give you all the lockdown of Miami. All right, guys,

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Speaker 2: We'll see you next week bye,