1 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:12,319 Speaker 1: One of my favorite people in this great game of 2 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: ours is the man joining us now on foul territory, 3 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: Buck Showalter. I could listen to you talk baseball book 4 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: at nauseum forever, and I appreciate you taking the time 5 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: to be with us. It looks like you're home in Dallas. 6 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: I don't know where you are, but it looks like 7 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: you're home. 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for being so busy. I'm just so busy. Well, 9 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 2: you could be a traveling man. I don't know, but 10 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 2: this is the best time of year. 11 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 1: It's the best time of year because postseason is upon us. 12 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: But these final two weeks of the season can keep 13 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: a manager, a general manager, a president of baseball offs 14 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: up at night. Take us back to your prep time 15 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: in this moment, what was the most difficult time. Let's 16 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: say that you are a manager that has you're still 17 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: not quite in the postseason yet, but you know you're 18 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: going to get there. 19 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 3: Well, you know, there's nothing tougher I think in baseball. 20 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 3: Then closing now to that season, you know it's like 21 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,759 Speaker 3: that games just inch by and now you're watching every score. 22 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 2: You try not to. 23 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 3: It's really tough to close out a really good you've 24 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 3: had this great season. Then all of a sudden, you 25 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 3: just now it looks like you're going to make October. 26 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 3: But you know that you have to finish the business 27 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 3: because the math just doesn't do you know there. 28 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 2: You know there's four different I say a lot, there's 29 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 2: four ways you manage. 30 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 3: You manage in spring train in a certain way, you 31 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 3: manage the regular season a certain way, you manage in 32 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,199 Speaker 3: September a certain way, and then you manage a little 33 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 3: differently in October with a sense of urgency. 34 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 2: So it's uneasy. 35 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 3: It is because the sense of urgency that you want 36 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 3: to have to finish it off and never take anything 37 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 3: for granted. While you've got a lot of people around 38 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 3: you telling you how great you are. But you know, 39 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 3: in a week's time you can be you know, a 40 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 3: horse's rear. 41 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 4: But if you are a good manager, can't you keep 42 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 4: the team fresh and ready to go? Because it's all 43 00:01:58,760 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 4: in the manager, right. 44 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know fresh? What is fresh? 45 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 3: The last time you were fresh air was when you 46 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 3: got out of the car in spring training. 47 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 2: That's the last time. 48 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 3: That's what people I used to talk to John Harball 49 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 3: in Baltimore about. I said, you guys play once a 50 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 3: week man with an off week. That's what people that 51 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 3: haven't been in the arena don't get. What you know, 52 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 3: you have different degrees of percentage. Nobody's one hundred percent. 53 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 3: That's gone a long time ago. I told a player 54 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 3: one time, I said, you know, you realize you're ninety percent. 55 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 3: It's better than his one hundred percent. And it's just 56 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 3: you have different And that's why the mentality and emotions 57 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 3: are so important in a clubhouse, and people that haven't 58 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 3: been in the arena just don't get it. 59 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 2: For sure. 60 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 4: For sure, what do we what do we? What do 61 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 4: we need to see from teams that are eight games up, 62 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 4: ten games up? Saying what you were talking about, Like 63 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 4: everyone's told you the whole season you're so good, Like 64 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 4: look at the Phillies. Yeah, I get it, they're trying 65 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 4: for that number one seed. But what do we need 66 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 4: to see from them as not as far as like 67 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 4: Rob Thompson, but as far as a team, because you 68 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 4: want to get guys those days off. I don't attribute 69 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 4: to anything too many days off whatever, that's beautiful at 70 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 4: the end of the season, But what do you need 71 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 4: to see from them? If you're watching the game day 72 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 4: in and day out. 73 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 3: You know what's tough, Eric is you can have a 74 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 3: physical day off, but I think you got to be 75 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 3: careful about checking out mentally and emotionally for too long. 76 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 3: You know, I think the help is what you're looking 77 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 3: for people physically, but trying to mesh the emotional and 78 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 3: mental sharpness and not lose that edge. That's why you 79 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 3: see a lot of teams get hot and last and 80 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 3: get in the last day or so and they carry 81 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 3: it over and teams that have kind of turned off 82 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 3: the faucet with the ten days two weeks to go have. 83 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 2: A little trouble turn it back on. 84 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 3: That's why, you know, the teams I like right now 85 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 3: are the teams what plays a lot now all seasons. 86 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 3: The guys that grind and put the ball in play. 87 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 3: And you look at certain teams that don't strike out much, 88 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 3: they're tough on starting pitchers. The great starting pitchers I've had, 89 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 3: the sures Ers, the the Groms of Randy Johnson's, the Shillings, 90 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 3: the guys that they hated were the guys that would 91 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 3: foul off their pitches and make them do it again, 92 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 3: Like they would rather face a guy that's going to 93 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 3: strike out one hundred and seventy hundred and eighty times. 94 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 3: They know if they make their pitches, he's out. 95 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 2: Now. 96 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 3: If they make mistake, the ball ends up where the 97 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 3: grass doesn't grow. But they don't like facing as they 98 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 3: called them the sand flees. Randy Johnson hated all these guys, 99 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 3: I call them the Jeff rebel ays that would play 100 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 3: against him, Randy Vallardi, Gerald Williams. These guys, I wouldn't say, 101 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 3: wore him out. But he didn't care about the three 102 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 3: and four hole hitters. He want to know about how 103 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 3: do I get these eight to nine hole hitters out? 104 00:04:58,480 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 2: Buck? 105 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 5: How much is managing change without the forty man roster 106 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 5: you mentioned September, but now they only have the twenty 107 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 5: eight man roster. And you were a big frontponent of this. 108 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 5: How much has it changed because you can't give guys 109 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 5: day off anymore. You can't give guys you know, oh 110 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 5: we so we clinched. Let's give guy three days off 111 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 5: because you don't have the players to do it. 112 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 2: That's a big change. Aga. That's a good point. The 113 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 2: two players. 114 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 3: You're taking a pitcher and maybe a position player, and 115 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 3: you're really not impacting your club that much. 116 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 2: Let's face it you go to in a double header, 117 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 2: they give you another player. 118 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,119 Speaker 3: You know, I always felt like you should just stay 119 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 3: with the twenty five or whatever. 120 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 2: It takes away from. 121 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 3: The general manager and the manager and a coaching staff 122 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 3: that can manage their team and their roster. You know, 123 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 3: we've kind of now it's kind of robotic. I mean, 124 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 3: wait a minute, this guy, let's send him down. Get 125 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 3: another arm up here. You know, a guy sent me 126 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago a playoff, I mean a 127 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 3: roster from them. I think, I don't know. In the 128 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,799 Speaker 3: early eighties they had thirteen pitchers all year, all year. 129 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 3: Well that was back when they had a long reliever 130 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 3: or now, we're not going to get into back when 131 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 3: they play. Nobody wants to hear that. But there's something 132 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:12,559 Speaker 3: different here. And the roster manipulation is something that goes 133 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 3: on all year, but it. 134 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 2: Is a big change now. 135 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 3: It is a big change because a lot of clubs 136 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 3: want to look at young players and get a feel 137 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 3: for the off season. 138 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 2: But you really can't do it that much anymore. 139 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: Managers have so much more responsibility book, you know better 140 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: than anybody than just writing in a lineup. I mean, 141 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: you have to manage personalities, and you have to be 142 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 1: a psychiatrist and a psychologist and a counselor and all 143 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: of the things. And I really believe managers have special 144 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: relationships with players. How do you value if you had 145 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: to vote on a most Valuable player, how do you 146 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 1: value that player? Because it's not just about the statistics, 147 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: which is what we're doing right now with Aaron Judge 148 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: and Cal Rawly, But how do you make a decision 149 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: over the one of those guys? 150 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 3: Well, I do because I've got to vote, and I 151 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 3: want to get into who I'm voting with, but it's 152 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 3: just Player of the year, not an MVP of each league. 153 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 3: And I got to tell you I'm leaning towards Raleigh 154 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 3: because of the position he changed he plays, And I'm getting 155 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 3: around your question with he's you know, won a Gold 156 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 3: Glub last year. 157 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 2: He's a plus defensive catcher. 158 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 3: AJ can answer that better because some of the people 159 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 3: that win gold Gloves aren't necessarily great. The fender the 160 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 3: way they evaluated don't get me started. So but he 161 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 3: you know, my question is would Aaron Judge do the 162 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 3: things he's doing offensively? Was he was catching? I think 163 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 3: it's one hundred and thirteen games as of today. You know, 164 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 3: would he, you know, be able to handle a pitching staff, 165 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 3: would he be able to throw runners out with gear on? 166 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 3: Would he be able to do the same thing in 167 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 3: a very pitcher friendly ballpark? Would he be able to 168 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 3: do the same thing if he was traveling like the 169 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 3: Seattle Mariners have to travel maybe the worst travel in 170 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 3: all of baseball. I try to look at all those 171 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 3: factors that play into to the value of a player. 172 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 3: And he's also having an historical that I don't know 173 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 3: if anybody will ever match again. 174 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 2: But you know, Judging is a great player. 175 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 3: I mean, you can make a case for him, and 176 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 3: Schwarber's having a great year, and of course Otani, But. 177 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 2: I don't know. 178 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 3: There's a lot of ways, a lot of as you 179 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 3: well know, that you impact a club. One of the ways, 180 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 3: when I'm looking at a player in off season, I go, 181 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 3: will he make his teammates better? 182 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 2: I'm putting him on our roster. 183 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 3: And you can ask a lot of people that have 184 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 3: had him the year before and make the right phone calls. 185 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 3: I'm not so sure the phone calls are being made, 186 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 3: because sometimes the phone call is getting away of a 187 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 3: pure analytical study if you throw a little crimp in 188 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 3: the plans because of something that a clubby or a 189 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 3: parking attendant, or a teammate or an ex coach may 190 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 3: tell you. 191 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 6: Hey, if you're a card collector or you're looking to collect, 192 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 6: by sell, trade Arena clubs this spinte. I'm going to 193 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 6: tell you why because the old process AJ was very clunky. 194 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 6: By a box, rip, tons of comments, send it in 195 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 6: for grading, and then finally you get everything back. This 196 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 6: is weeks and weeks and you can start to try 197 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 6: and sell the card. We have eliminated that with Arena 198 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 6: club or they have. I act like I'm part of it, 199 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 6: but in really one step. 200 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,719 Speaker 5: Arena's your one stop shop for everything. You get a card, 201 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 5: you open a slap pack, the card is there, it's graded, 202 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 5: It spins around. Cooley shows you three D the front, 203 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 5: the back, you can look at the corners, you can 204 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 5: look at everything, and then you get a decision. Do 205 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 5: I want to keep it? Do I want to sell it? 206 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 5: Do I want to trade it? It gives you an 207 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 5: instant offer. You can buy it back and re rip 208 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 5: another slap pack and try for someone else, or you 209 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 5: can keep it and hope the value goes up and 210 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 5: sell it a later day. It is truly the best 211 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 5: spot to get cards. 212 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 6: Twenty percent off your first slab pack or card purchase 213 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 6: can be had right now at Arena club dot com. 214 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 6: Slash foul and use code foul. 215 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 5: Hey Buck, That's why I never want any gold gloves 216 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 5: because you wouldn't vote for me. You were too busy 217 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 5: looking at the analytics. 218 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 2: So it's cool. 219 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 5: Not only did you never hire me as a player, 220 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,319 Speaker 5: you also never voted for me for a gold glove. 221 00:09:59,360 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 2: So I get it. 222 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 5: Good school, It's fine. 223 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 2: It's under the next you duck me. That's okay. 224 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 3: I tried, and that your agent kept telling you that 225 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 3: you didn't want to play in New York. 226 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 2: I'm kidding. You would have could have played anywhere. 227 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 5: I would have come back and played for you in 228 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 5: New York. But the last few years, I would have 229 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 5: had a great time. I would have caught twenty games 230 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 5: on one knee, Buck, I would have been the best 231 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 5: twenty game player of all time. 232 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 2: Oh, don't get me going, all right? 233 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 3: You know, have you shut a j I want to 234 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 3: talk to you about catch your interference. 235 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 2: There's a there's a team that has nine of them 236 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 2: this year. 237 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 3: And I just they're a team that's lost three games 238 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 3: this year because of catcher interference, and I. 239 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 2: Just don't get it. 240 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 3: I don't get how if you're teaching something that leads 241 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 3: to catch your interference, you're teaching it wrong. Okay, catch 242 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 3: your interference. The other day a guy had a guy 243 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 3: buried one, two, and the ninth in it, and catch 244 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 3: your interference led to them basically losing the game. I 245 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 3: know what I would tell as the catching instructor and 246 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 3: the player. I know what I would ask them, you 247 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 3: know what what's going on here? And what do you think? 248 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 2: AJ? What is that all? Back? 249 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 4: Back up? 250 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 5: I think I had one catcher's interference in my career, 251 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 5: and it was when Placido Polanco threw the bat on 252 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 5: a pitch out and it hit me and I got 253 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 5: called for catchers interference. I'm like, how is that catcher's interference? 254 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 5: He threw the bat at me, But that's a different thing. 255 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 5: But back up, who is the umpire? 256 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 2: Who's the umpire? I don't know. 257 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:24,439 Speaker 5: I actually don't remember who the umpire was because I 258 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 5: didn't get ejected, which I'm just shocking. 259 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:29,319 Speaker 4: I don't remember, but. 260 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 5: I was like, I didn't know that was a rule. 261 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 5: If he lets the bat go and it hits me, 262 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 5: So why don't I just pick a bat up and 263 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 5: chuck it at the first basement. If it hits him, 264 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 5: I get first. That'd be awesome, right. If I'm in 265 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 5: two strikes, just throw my bat backwards like that'll work. 266 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 2: Umpires wrong there. I wish i'd have been there. 267 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 5: Well anyways, anyways, But yes, catchers interference is a thing 268 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 5: because they try to get too close and they try 269 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 5: to steal that low strike right back up. You got 270 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:55,719 Speaker 5: to only got to back up a few inches. It's 271 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 5: not like you're backing up a couple of feet. Back 272 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 5: up a couple of inches and you can still steal it. 273 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 5: But all the catchers reach out so far. 274 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 2: Now, poor can't happen. Can't happen. 275 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 4: It's because Bucket's because the people that it's because the 276 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 4: people that created this style of catching have never lost 277 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 4: a season or not made the playoffs by one game. 278 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 4: They've never lost the play that one last playoff game 279 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 4: by one run because they don't see the value in 280 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 4: that one single run that could have been prevented had 281 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 4: you just scooted back. They don't see it. They haven't 282 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 4: been in the trenches. It's hard to it's hard to. 283 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,319 Speaker 4: It's hard to tell them that. And those are the 284 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 4: people that are dominating that discussion and they find value 285 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 4: in it. 286 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 2: Did you guys, Alana, Eric, Eric and aj did you 287 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 2: guys see it? In the sixth inning, last now of 288 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 2: the Padre game? 289 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 3: Someone sent it to me uh Man on second I believe, 290 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 3: two outs, long single to right field. Arah sits it 291 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 3: over there and the catcher's running its second. Not that 292 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 3: he's necessarily glow, but most catchers are well manny Man. 293 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 3: He's the own deck hitter, and we used to talk 294 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 3: from spring training about the own deck hitterer having to 295 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 3: relay a sense of urgency to the runner. I know 296 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 3: as a third base coach when a guy comes around, 297 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 3: you know there's a play on a trail runner. You're 298 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 3: going through the plate, through the plate, through the plate. 299 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 3: And this guy was kind of jogged in the last 300 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 3: three steps and the run they didn't ross got thrown 301 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 3: out at second and they didn't get the run by 302 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 3: half a step and that's that. Last night, it didn't 303 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 3: bite them. But those those are the things that Eric 304 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 3: is talking about. The little you know, one half a 305 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 3: foot that kept them from scoring a run. 306 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 2: They didn't. 307 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 3: They didn't allow the run because the rout was made 308 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 3: a second you know, the own deck kitterer has a 309 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 3: job to do, and Manny knows that. 310 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:45,839 Speaker 2: I'm surprised he was taught. 311 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 4: He was clearly not taught properly when he first got 312 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 4: called up by his manager. So maybe maybe that's what 313 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 4: it was. It wasn't Manny's fault. His manager when he 314 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 4: was a rookie exactly didn't didn't drill it into him 315 00:13:58,679 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 4: all right as a manager. 316 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 5: It happened in the Braves game last night too, the 317 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 5: Braves game yesterday. I don't know why Zuno tried to 318 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 5: go to third, but actually the the guy who was 319 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:09,599 Speaker 5: running was the I forget who was on deck. It 320 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 5: might have been PROFI was like, hurry. He was actually 321 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 5: telling him to hurry up, and he missed it by 322 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 5: you know, a foot too. But I don't know why 323 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 5: it was. If you want you so crazy, shouldn't. 324 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 3: Have gone, remember you and Eric, you remember how that 325 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 3: used to be taken care of in the clubhouse when 326 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 3: that guy got back to the dugout or in the clubhouse. 327 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 3: Oh my god, that was my RB. I just think 328 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 3: I could have been your rb I, your grett to your. 329 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 5: Moment, right yep, go Nope, never have it either. I 330 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 5: could't go to the Hall of Fame if it wasn't 331 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 5: for that one rb I, you. 332 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 4: Know, and Dieter wouldn't have had the moment had you 333 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 4: not brought Evan Meek in the game. Buck, But anyway, 334 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 4: we're gonna we're gonna move on to show Hao Tani. 335 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 4: Show Hao Tani kind of insinuated that, you know what, 336 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 4: we're having to discussions about possibly playing the outfield in 337 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 4: the postseason, possibly throwing out bullpen, like they're saying they're 338 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 4: discussing everything. Would you, as a manager have enough trust 339 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 4: to put somebody one out of the bullpen, which he's 340 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 4: never done in the big leagues. Two go catch some 341 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 4: fly balls in the outfield in the playoffs in the playoffs, 342 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 4: which he's never done. 343 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 3: Also, that's a good question, you know, without us being 344 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 3: there and knowing him like they know him, and Dave 345 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 3: Roberts is obviously a great, very good manager and knows 346 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 3: his players. I've been saying for a couple of years 347 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 3: when people ask me about Otani. 348 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always thought that. 349 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 3: I would d h him and make him the closer 350 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 3: where he hits for eight innings and that way he 351 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 3: could impact your game every night as a hitter and 352 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 3: a pitcher. And I think he would be a really 353 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 3: good closer. You know, we talked about that with Zach 354 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 3: Britton years ago and Jim Johnson. You know, a lot 355 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 3: these teams that are searching for a closer, they need 356 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 3: to just start looking at their starters in the minor 357 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 3: leagues and develop one. You can't do that, but I've 358 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 3: always thought, and then today I see something about him 359 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 3: maybe pitching out of the bullpen. I said, well, geez, 360 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 3: there's a novel thought. But you know, the rules and 361 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 3: with the d H and putting him in the game 362 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 3: and all the other stuff make it very uh, you know, 363 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 3: attractive to make him a closer. 364 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 2: I mean, what do you guys think it can't happen. 365 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 4: No, it can't happen. Alana would cry if something would 366 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 4: happen to her show Hey. But you also can't do 367 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 4: it because because if something happened, you don't you don't 368 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 4: want to lose show Hey in the game and then 369 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 4: he has to come up and hit in the tenth. 370 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 4: We don't have the zombie runner at second base anymore. 371 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 4: I don't think it's if. 372 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: There is one person that could probably do it just 373 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: based on talent alone at show he Tani. But I 374 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: still don't want him out there. I don't want him 375 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: coming out of the bullpen. I don't want him in 376 00:16:57,880 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: the outfield. 377 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 3: No, Well, let me ask you, a lon, what's more 378 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 3: of a physical risk him pitching past the fifth inning 379 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 3: or closing one inning a game? 380 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 2: About every three. 381 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: Days pitching past the fifth inning. 382 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 2: So that's what he's doing now, So you're actually doing 383 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 2: him a favor. 384 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: But they're not letting him go past five right now, Buck, 385 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 1: They took him out. He had no hitter through five, 386 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: and they yanked him because they didn't want him to 387 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: the sticking to that script. 388 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know when that script breaks and the 389 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 3: teleprompter doesn't work anymore, that's when you get to really 390 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 3: see some interesting things. 391 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 4: Buck, Who is it? Who are the best teams? And 392 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 4: you're watching who do you think is going to be 393 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 4: facing off in the World Series? And you can't, I checked, 394 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 4: you can't pick two National League teams to face off 395 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 4: in the World Series. 396 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 3: Well, I know who I like and pull for a 397 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 3: little bit because I love how Toronto's doing it. They're 398 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 3: a pain for a pitcher. They grind every you know, 399 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 3: they don't strike out much. They put the ball in play. 400 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 3: They they're fun to watch. I like the Brewers. I 401 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 3: think the type of game they play plays in the 402 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 3: off season. 403 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 2: Now. 404 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 3: I also like the Padres from that standpoint, I think 405 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 3: they're another team if they just get in. You know, 406 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 3: once you get that monkey off your back of just 407 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 3: getting in, there's a certain relief and uh but you know, 408 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 3: how do you keep that edge? I think Toronto's for real, 409 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 3: and everybody kept thinking, you know, they wouldn't be able 410 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 3: to hold on. Guess what, At every turn, they're answering 411 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 3: a lot of questions, you know. I know Chris Bassett, 412 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 3: I know Max Shurser, I know Kevin Gosman. I mean, 413 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 3: these guys they're competitive. They're baseball players that happen to 414 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 3: be pitchers. There's a lot of pitchers that are just 415 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 3: baseball players because they're on the team, so to speak. 416 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 3: But these guys are baseball players who happen to be pitchers. 417 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 3: And I mean you would play in a sandlot with them. 418 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 2: So I like where they are. 419 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 3: I like the Brewers and the game they play. I 420 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 3: think it plays in a in a series. They just 421 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 3: grimed on you too much. And I think the Padres 422 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 3: a little bit of a sleeper too. I don't think 423 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 3: people understand how good they're pitching. 424 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 2: It is at times. 425 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 5: It's because you're like a lot of your You're you're 426 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 5: like a homer for Manny Machado like Alana is for 427 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 5: the Dodgers. 428 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 2: So we get it. 429 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 5: It's okay, we get that's why you like the Padres. 430 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 2: We totally understand. Okay. 431 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 5: So I'm sitting here in Cincinnati before I let you go, 432 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 5: and there's one, two, three players out here with no 433 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 5: shirt on, no shoes, just shorts, just walking around the outfield. 434 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 5: Is that something that you had ever seen when you're 435 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 5: managerial days of just guys walking in the outfield with 436 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 5: basically nothing, no clothes on except shorts. 437 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question. Are they barefoot? 438 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 5: All they have on shorts? 439 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 3: You know, Adam Autovino told me that sold me on 440 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 3: that he would go out and walk barefoot. 441 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 2: Can y'all explain me that whole thing? 442 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: Because Autumn is operating on a different level called grounding. 443 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: It's like supposed to be this like natural sensation of 444 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: your feet touching the grass, and it's supposed to give 445 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: you like some sort of healing and and all of 446 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: the things some like like voodoo. 447 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 3: Okay, is that the same thing these these guys on 448 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 3: the PGA tour they're putting and they have to walk 449 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 3: the line and feel it in their feet. 450 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 4: That's a that's actually something they're actually feeling. 451 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: It the slope of the of the you know, here's 452 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: that's aim point. 453 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 4: That's a point book. 454 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 2: Okay. I'm just trying to you know. 455 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 4: That's what. 456 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 5: Hey, that's what That's what one of your good friends 457 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 5: does sometimes, except Demark might go forward with him. 458 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:43,919 Speaker 4: I don't know. 459 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 2: I'm just saying these Shambeau. 460 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 4: I got. 461 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 3: I got a conversation with him the other day. He's 462 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 3: a beauty. I love the guy. He doesn't really care 463 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 3: what you think if you don't like the way he 464 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 3: goes about golf, and hey, that's okay. I'm I'm okay 465 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 3: with it. But anyway, you know, the whole thing in 466 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 3: the outfield whatever, who cares? There's enough battles that are 467 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 3: more important. Who really cares? I mean, you know all 468 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 3: the stuff about you know, I basically had to enforce 469 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 3: stuff that owners wanted enforce. 470 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 2: That's what people miss, you know. Stein Mary was one way. 471 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 3: Colancelo was similar, so was Peter Angelo's Tom Hicks the owners. 472 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 2: You know. 473 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 3: Last the first time I really got to an owner 474 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 3: that kind of didn't care was uh was that was 475 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 3: Steve Cohen. So basically, as a manager, you're just enforcing 476 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 3: the rules that the manager that the owner wants. You 477 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 3: don't like them, You're not working. 478 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 1: What's the weirdest thing that somebody made you enforce that 479 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: You're like, this is a non issue. You don't have 480 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: to say the manager, but like, this is a non issue, 481 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: Like what are we doing? Like this is the this 482 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: is what is on the top of your mind. 483 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:50,719 Speaker 2: I got to tell you. 484 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 3: One of the keys this is going to sound crazy line, 485 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 3: one of the keys to turn it around a little 486 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 3: bit in Baltimore was when I got Peter Angelo's to Okay, 487 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 3: y'all gonna think I'm crazy, But when I walked in 488 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 3: and I talked to him about important it was to 489 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 3: the players and whatever. You know, if it's important to 490 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 3: the players, that better be important to us, I told him, 491 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:13,959 Speaker 3: And rather or not, we were just because we were 492 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 3: brought up a certain way. 493 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 2: It shouldn't matter. I mean. 494 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 3: And when I walked into clubhouse and told them that 495 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 3: we could have trimmed, well manicured goates, you have thought 496 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 3: that I had delivered the holy grail. Oh my gosh, 497 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 3: there's a new sheriff in town. 498 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 2: Now. 499 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 3: The problem now is what is a neat well trimmed 500 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 3: I mean. Marqukus's beard would grow. You could hear it grow. 501 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 3: He had to shave twice a day. I mean, he goes, Buck, 502 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 3: I shaved this morning. What are you talking about? And 503 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 3: I would always have the players police it, and it 504 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 3: was a little bit better that way. 505 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: Always a pleasure. 506 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 2: Buck. We love Yes, thanks for being here. All right, 507 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 2: y'all make it simple. It's baseball, okay, more I would 508 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 2: do it some blurring