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Speaker 2: Wow, I just watched the Albert Brooks documentary and in

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Speaker 2: it the end, it's framed around a conversation Rob Reiner

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Speaker 2: is having with Albert Brooks at a restaurant, and this

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Speaker 2: feels exactly like that, because we are just talking to

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Speaker 1: You know, it's scary.

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Speaker 3: I'm sitting in the seat where the guest normally sits,

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Speaker 3: and I'm sort of like, wow, so this is what

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Speaker 3: they see. And honestly, it's really intimidating. You're really well

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Speaker 3: I had no idea we looked stunning over there. I

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Speaker 3: was always like, we look like trash, we look stupid,

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Speaker 3: and then they you know, in posts they had they

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Speaker 3: I'm seeing it, I'm like, oh my god, I'm a

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Speaker 3: podcasting star.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, people don't realize that out of the light,

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Speaker 2: we both look discussing, oh horrible. It's sort of a

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Speaker 2: Dorian Gray situation where in the studio we are ageless,

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Speaker 2: but then we leave this, we leave the red room,

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Speaker 2: and then we look absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Decredit yeah, we age double Yeah, so there's no way

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Speaker 1: around it. Yes, it's the end of the year.

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Speaker 2: Is this is our sort of New Year's episode? One

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Speaker 2: could say. One could say that we had this spot

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Speaker 2: booked and we were like, what would be a fun

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Speaker 2: potentially doing an earnest Miss Bonanza or doing call ins,

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Speaker 2: and we were like, let's just have a chat about

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Speaker 2: where we've been and where we're going. Yeah, and by

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Speaker 2: we I mean society, yes.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, and you know we what are our qualifications

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Speaker 3: for you know, commenting on society at large? Well, we

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Speaker 3: are gay guys. We live in New York City, which

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Speaker 3: is one of the biggest cities we've got.

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Speaker 2: That's right. And we are actually even tangentially involved in

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Speaker 2: the entertainment and media industries.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, by a threat, by a threat. Gripping on for

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Speaker 1: dear life. I would say it.

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Speaker 2: Every morning I have to check to see if I

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Speaker 2: still count.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: The thing about being in the entertainment industry is it's

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Speaker 3: a self appointed role.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's by the way, it is literally like how

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Speaker 2: do you identify.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like as an entertainer, as an entertainer. It's like, okay,

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Speaker 1: so do you sing? Do you dance? No, that's rude.

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Speaker 1: I perform, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: And that does have nothing to do with my lived experience.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, I resent it. Oh and yet

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Speaker 1: I but it's my calling. That's what I am.

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Speaker 2: If I could get brain surgery to make me not

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Speaker 2: be in the entertainment industry, I would, But unfortunately that

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Speaker 2: is still experiment at the experimental stages. I'm outside my hospital.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm not ready to throw it all away. Ye.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And by the way, I'm uninsured because I'm in

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Speaker 2: the entertainment industry. Oh god, I'm actually an insured for

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Speaker 3: And I actually also have insurance by it. That is,

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Speaker 3: it is just incredible up until March. So I'm going

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Speaker 2: So if you're listening actually and you work in the

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Speaker 2: entertainment industry, that would be a great time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be an amazing time to get hired again.

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Speaker 2: To hire Sam before March.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because let's just say the health is a little

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Speaker 2: Yeah, talk about an in and out list out health

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Speaker 2: insurance because it's about to expire.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so today we're going to sort of do some predicting, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and trend report.

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Speaker 2: And this is something that I actually would say is

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Speaker 2: a grand gay guy tradition of being so overly confident

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Speaker 2: that you think just by virtue being a gay guy,

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Speaker 2: what you are seeing has any bearing on the broader culture.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I would say if a g if I

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Speaker 2: I would still literally look around to be like, you know,

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Speaker 2: think that you Yeah, that part of your job, at

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Speaker 1: Talk about telling yourself stories. I wanted to live.

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Speaker 2: It is the trend forecasting is the original We tell

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Speaker 2: ourself stories in order to live.

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Speaker 3: I also think you know, there's something about being a

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Speaker 3: you know at first you're like I got into this,

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Speaker 2: Well, it's like your thing about how everyone ultimately ends

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Speaker 2: up working in marketing. Yea, all gig guys ultimately end

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Speaker 2: up being amateur trend forecasters, and by the way, not

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Speaker 2: very good ones, like I actually think not to be

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Speaker 2: gender essentialist. To me, I think a woman is a

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Speaker 2: better trend forecaster. Oh and why I think that, Because

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Speaker 2: women for so long have been pushed aside in our society.

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Speaker 2: They have gotten very good at noticing things because they

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Speaker 2: it's this whole like, oh, you're a business woman in

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Speaker 2: They're always thinking, whereas gay guys walking to a meeting

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Speaker 2: So it's two very different subjectivities and so I think,

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, it would be disrespectful to the gay

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Speaker 3: rights movement if we were to stop trying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jamila Jamil would send us a season to sist.

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Speaker 2: She would say, as an ally, fuck off.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I expect better from you. Exactly.

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Speaker 3: You're leaders of the LGBT plus community by virtue of

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Speaker 3: having a podcast, and with that, you need to be

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Speaker 3: forecasting trends.

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Speaker 1: Now for that little boy in Montana, it is.

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Speaker 2: Actually I yes, I agree. I mean it's like everyone

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Speaker 2: is forecasting trends. Who are we to have a microphone

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So with that being said, I think we should

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Speaker 3: dive right in. We're going to forecast our trends and

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Speaker 3: what's in and out?

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Speaker 2: What's out? Yes, exactly, in and out for twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: We both sort of jotted these down separately, and we're

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Speaker 2: So should we do out first or in first? Now,

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Speaker 2: let's start with a start with an out? Do you think?

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Speaker 1: So? Sure?

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Speaker 2: Okay? So out? I have my first one actually that

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Speaker 2: I think is relevant to something you have, and so

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Speaker 2: we can do both of them. I have therapy speaker.

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Speaker 3: Is out, yeah, and I have we brote the separately.

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Speaker 3: I wrote just therapy yeah.

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Speaker 2: Which I actually think it's important. I want to discuss

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Speaker 2: very different. Therapy being out is actually very different than

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Speaker 2: So why do you think therapy is out?

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Speaker 1: Well, I do think it's you know, it starts at

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Speaker 3: I think therapy speak is out and people know, like,

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Speaker 3: and there's this thing of like, yeah, like you can't

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Speaker 2: You are weird, to which I say, watch me.

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Speaker 3: But I also think therapy is out because there's been,

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Speaker 3: that we all need to be in therapy. Therapy is good,

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Speaker 3: we need to get to therapy. And now everyone's been

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think you are pointing towards a cognitive behavioral

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Speaker 2: to change our habits rather than focusing on our relationship

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Speaker 2: with our fathers. Yes, yes, it's are you sleeping exactly? Exactly?

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Speaker 1: What's your morning routine? I think these things.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's not go that far. And so I do

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Speaker 2: what's next. We've seen this, we've seen therapy. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 2: glad we explained and I'm therapy or absolutely, But we

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Speaker 2: actually need to take that and have and do a

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Speaker 2: sort of a conference where we present main findings. There

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Speaker 2: needs to be power points, and there need to be

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Speaker 2: breakout sessions. Yes, and then I actually think we need

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Speaker 3: This is another big part of the therapy is out

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Speaker 3: because we are learning that therapists are literally just our friends.

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Speaker 2: Some of them are even gay guys.

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Speaker 3: Some of them are just people, and that is one

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Speaker 3: of the scarier things. Like, you know, surgeons, I can

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Speaker 3: for example, if that were to happen.

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Speaker 1: So that being said, the opposite is true for a therapist.

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Speaker 3: There are many, many people in my life who have

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Speaker 3: become therapists, and I'm sort of like, okay, well, if

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Speaker 2: Well, you are also pointing to something that is even

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Speaker 2: more interesting, which is people becoming therapists as a second

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Speaker 2: act after they have already tried being a writer performer. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: people becoming therapists as though it's the equivalent of going

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Speaker 2: to like and I'm not. This is no disrespect to nurses,

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Speaker 2: who are quite literally the number one heroes of our society,

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Speaker 2: but it's very like gay guys used to go to

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Speaker 2: nursing school when they stop being in musical theater and

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Speaker 2: now they're becoming therapists. No, it's disrespectful. That's different. Those

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Speaker 2: are different skills. Yeah, go to nursing school, be a

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Speaker 2: flight attendant. There are jobs for you. So we need

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Speaker 2: to figure out what's going on with therapy and do

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Speaker 2: you want to talk about therapy school and therapy speak

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Speaker 2: just briefly to me. I'm like there has been so

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Speaker 2: much media representation of therapy as well. It's like the

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Speaker 2: Showtime show Couple Therapy I feel like had a real moment. Also,

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Speaker 1: By the way, of course, this is a nightmare.

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Speaker 2: For it's a nightmare. So what's happening is first, pop

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Speaker 2: Going to therapy. And I think, you know, people tried

439
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Speaker 2: to do lockdown movies too soon, Like there was that

440
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,119
Speaker 2: one and half way went like yeah, and I think

441
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 2: now it has finally been long enough. And actually, well

442
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Speaker 2: someone we know is actually making a movie that is

443
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,160
Speaker 2: about that period. Oh really, yes, we can believe about

444
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,360
Speaker 2: Theta's movie is that period. And it's almost like it's

445
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,320
Speaker 2: like a sad tire of people living in early in

446
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Speaker 2: early pandemic.

447
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Speaker 1: Interesting.

448
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 2: So that's that's my end. And and by and again,

449
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:40,720
Speaker 2: unless I get paid.

450
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Speaker 3: I mean, I have to say I think that's I

451
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:43,960
Speaker 3: think that's true.

452
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 1: I agree with that.

453
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Speaker 3: I mean I have a day where I'm like, you

454
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Speaker 3: know what, I'm staying in, Like i am like I'm

455
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,399
Speaker 3: doing like a little lockdown day. Yeah, Like I'm like

456
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,679
Speaker 3: it's like a felting pandemic day. Yes, and I like

457
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 3: say that with like joy, and it's weird.

458
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Speaker 2: It is. And by the way, I'm now realizing it

459
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 2: might even be not a film but a music video.

460
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 2: It might be a music video that does early lockdown nostalgia.

461
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 2: Couldn't you see a sort of Honestly, even Olivia Rodrigo,

462
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:14,399
Speaker 2: like some pops start doing like lockdown drag.

463
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Speaker 3: I mean, I know we've talked about this, but looking

464
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 3: back on the Ariana Grande Lady Gaga VMA's performance or

465
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,679
Speaker 3: Brain on Me when they're both wearing masks is one

466
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 3: of the weirder things to do, because you're like, I

467
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 3: remember I was there, this was not that far ago,

468
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 3: and yet this feels like I'm watching a different planet. Yeah,

469
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 3: so I think that's genius. Okay, I haven't in Okay,

470
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Speaker 3: I think being Midwestern is bad.

471
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Speaker 2: I see it.

472
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Speaker 3: I think I think as we go into an election year,

473
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Speaker 3: people will be trying to claim they're from Ohio. You know,

474
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Speaker 3: if they say they grew up in a wealthy family

475
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Speaker 3: in Manhattan, they'll be like, but I went to college

476
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,439
Speaker 3: in Michigan. I think everyone's going to be sort of

477
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 3: trying to claim middle America, swing state and even blue collar.

478
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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, my mind went to Midwest is a sort of

480
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Speaker 2: a safe It's like, let's say you're trying to be

481
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 2: as uncontroversial as possible. You're like, oh, if I say

482
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 2: the South, that brings up feelings for people, that brings

483
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Speaker 2: up statures, it brings up flags. But if you say

484
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Speaker 2: the coasts, then you're suddenly an elitist. The Midwest is

485
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Speaker 2: sort of this like centrist haven. Yes, I think that's

486
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Speaker 2: one hundred percent. I mean I think there's two things.

487
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 2: I do think that is one of them. And I

488
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Speaker 2: also think people will want to be relevant to the

489
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Speaker 2: election conversation. Yeah, which states do you think will trend?

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Speaker 3: I will say I do think for some reason, I

491
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Speaker 3: think it will be Ohio.

492
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Speaker 2: I was literally about to say, Ohio.

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Speaker 3: I think Indiana is actually two Republican.

494
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Speaker 2: It's not as Mike Pence.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's a terrifying place.

496
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Speaker 2: No, I think Ohio is gonna have a moment. I

497
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 2: think Columbus is gonna have a moment.

498
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Speaker 1: Columbus is back. Are you kidding me?

499
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Speaker 2: Wow? That is so. I literally was about to Ohio.

500
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Speaker 2: I was like, it would be embarrassing. We said a

501
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,239
Speaker 2: different state and didn't and didn't speak at the same time.

502
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Speaker 1: Ohio is back, gonna be, It's gonna be okay.

503
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Speaker 2: Okay, I guess we should move to I'll do an out. Okay,

504
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,919
Speaker 2: ceramics and I like ceramics, of.

505
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 1: Course, what are you gonna put your flowers in?

506
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Speaker 2: There is something about the ceramics industry where it's been

507
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 2: a bit too democratized, and I actually I will call

508
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 2: myself in and say that is also probably true of

509
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 2: comedy and podcasting. I'm not saying I'm some authority, like

510
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 2: in the same way that everyone has a podcast, everyone

511
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 2: is a ceramicist.

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Speaker 1: That's I mean, it's actually true.

513
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Speaker 2: There is out of nowhere. Once a week, someone on

514
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,360
Speaker 2: Instagram will be like, I'm selling ceramics.

515
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Speaker 1: You know what. The weirdest part.

516
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Speaker 3: First of all, one hundred percent agree everyone's selling ceramics

517
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 3: is too much. But at the same time, when you

518
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Speaker 3: go into a store, you can go in five different

519
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 3: stores in Brooklyn and they all have the same ceramics,

520
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 3: and that really confuses me, right, that makes me feel

521
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 3: like we all are just like we're being lied to.

522
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 2: Well, I do think this is a big conspiracy theory

523
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 2: of mine. I do think all small boutiques in a

524
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 2: sort of Brooklyn, in Brooklyn and Silver Lake, all small

525
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 2: boutiques that sell candles and ceramics are quite literally owned

526
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 2: by Airbnb or like a big corporation I think, right.

527
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Speaker 2: And it is like because it's not a supply and

528
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 2: demand thing, like someone is funding this and it is

529
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Speaker 2: dark money. So I almost think that is a different

530
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Speaker 2: issue to everyone suddenly trying to be a small seramicist.

531
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Speaker 3: It is a different issue, but it calls ceramics into question. Yes,

532
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 3: I mean, I wonder if the small batch of seramasists

533
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 3: are a response to the to the small store.

534
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Speaker 2: So true, it's the old comedy of big ceramics.

535
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that said.

536
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Speaker 2: And the other thing with ceramics is that they're always

537
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Speaker 2: sort of and I understand why they're overpriced because it

538
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 2: takes a lot of effort to make them and who

539
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 2: am I to be like, no, they should be two dollars.

540
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 2: But at the same.

541
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: Time, I have something mean to say, what is it?

542
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 2: It's not that hard.

543
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Speaker 3: I just think a lot of people with ceramics, yeah

544
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 3: are you know, they have you know, they finish their

545
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 3: bowl and then they're like, okay, let's sell this and

546
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 3: it's like.

547
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 2: No, have a hobby.

548
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: Have a hobby.

549
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 3: Like, let's pause, you made a bowl, be proud of yourself,

550
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 3: but this shouldn't be for sale yet. It's like they're

551
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 3: like putting these bowls out that you know they're like

552
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 3: but there's a ton of character, and I'm like, sure,

553
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 3: but you also are just trying to sell a lumpy bowl.

554
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 2: No, I completely agree. I I mean again, it's this

555
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 2: rush to monetize.

556
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Speaker 1: Well, it's I mean, it's our capitalist society. It's a

557
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 1: nice variety.

558
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 3: But at the same time, just do ceramics for you.

559
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:54,360
Speaker 3: Give them out as gifts.

560
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 2: Yes, give them out as gifts, display them in your home.

561
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 1: Yes, if you want to take.

562
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 2: A photo of them and post them, oh sure, I'm

563
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 2: not gonna stop you. No, I can't, and I'm certainly

564
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 2: not going to pay seventy eight dollars.

565
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: Yeah. I might not even like the picture.

566
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 3: Oh all right, but I'll see it. Okay, let's see. Okay,

567
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 3: I have an out. Okay, that's a little adjacent to

568
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 3: the therapy conversation. But different class consciousness.

569
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 2: Wow, same more.

570
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 3: Well, I think you know, we've had all of our

571
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 3: commentaries and all of our critiques about like you know,

572
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 3: this movie is about wealthy people and how they're actually

573
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 3: not good, and this show is about wealthy people and

574
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 3: how they have all the same problems and it's actually worse.

575
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 1: And the greed, the greed, the greed.

576
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 3: And I'm sort of like, okay, so now we've said it,

577
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 3: and yet we are still living in the society. Yeah,

578
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 3: And it's almost like it's that thing where I think

579
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 3: we're being aware of it, is like this isn't helping.

580
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: Well.

581
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 2: I think you're pointing also to something that a lot

582
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 2: of us don't want to acknowledge, which is that that

583
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 2: tire has no power quite literally, and I say that

584
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 2: as a big fan of the genre. Truly. It is

585
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,959
Speaker 2: if anything, oh my god, sorry, and mom's calling me.

586
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 2: If anything, I stick up for it in a way

587
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 2: where sometimes people will say, oh, that went too far,

588
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 2: or like, you know, I just saw that movie Dream

589
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 2: Scenario with Nicolas Cage, and I'm like, I know what

590
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 2: people are going to say about it, and they're going to

591
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 2: say that it's too like stupid and that it's too whatever.

592
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, that's the point. It's like fun that

593
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,479
Speaker 2: it's just like completely crazy and black and white and

594
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 2: like kind of problematic and reactionary like whatever, But I

595
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 2: don't think it's gonna change the world.

596
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: I mean, so few things do. Yeah, I remember.

597
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,239
Speaker 3: I mean it was like very pandemic era, very like

598
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 3: Trump era, when it was sort of like like people

599
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 3: were like doing scathing internet sketches and it was sort

600
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 3: of like, yeah, I don't care, like I don't want to, Like,

601
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 3: just pointing out that it's bad is like unless you're

602
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 3: satirizing something that's like fresh, like where I'm like, oh,

603
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 3: I haven't seen that pointed out before.

604
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, as everyone knows, and I can't remember who

605
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 2: said this, but capitalism has a way of eating up

606
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 2: its own critique and commodifying it. And so to me,

607
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 2: satire ended when Parasite won Best Picture. Interesting, Yeah, actually

608
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 2: honestly kind of smart.

609
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

610
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 3: I also think there's like a it's also been pointed

611
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 3: out that like TikTok people like it's like they're always

612
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 3: shot in like fancy homes. Well, yes, and I think

613
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 3: like brands are like one, we're too quick to the

614
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 3: like they got class conscious really quickly, and now I

615
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 3: think people are just like kind of throwing it out

616
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 3: of the window.

617
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 2: Do you know what's been completely defanged along these lines.

618
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 2: Is like the concept of talking about student loans, like

619
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 2: it will literally be like Coca Cola tweeting and be

620
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 2: like cheers to never pan off those loans, I guess,

621
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 2: And then it's like someone drinking a coke. Yeah, yeah,

622
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 2: it's all become It's just it's all become fodder.

623
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: I mean even so, it's like the healthcare conversation.

624
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 3: Honestly, this yeah not to toot on a horn reminds

625
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 3: me of when THETA was on and was like, it

626
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 3: actually is unfortunate that like the issue is like capitalism

627
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 3: because it's not new or exciting to say it because

628
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 3: it just is yes, and so it doesn't we can't

629
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 3: we can't get anyone's attention because it's like, well, yeah,

630
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 3: that's a given.

631
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Speaker 2: Well it It sort of reminds me when there was

632
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Speaker 2: a brief period sort of post Patriot Act, when people

633
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 2: cared about privacy and then they just stopped, like literally,

634
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 2: no one cares about privacy anymore. And if you if

635
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 2: you go around and are like we're being surveilled, people

636
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 2: are like what is that insane guy talking about?

637
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: I mean I do feel that way about like people

638
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: being like they're selling your data. I'm like, I don't

639
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: know how to care about totally.

640
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 3: Like it does sound bad, I guess when you say that,

641
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:00,959
Speaker 3: and I mostly I'm like, well there's something that can

642
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:01,479
Speaker 3: I have some?

643
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: Can I get ten percent?

644
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 2: Like you're always thinking, you're always business minded, like I.

645
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 3: Would sell my own data if you're getting it getting

646
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 3: the money. I'll tell you where I am right now.

647
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 2: Oh, I'll turn on Find my Friends for Biden for

648
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 2: fee for fe Okay, wait was that yours?

649
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: Yeah? That was my out?

650
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 2: Yeah and it was class consciousness. Okay, great, should I go?

651
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: Yeah?

652
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: All right, I can do an I can do Maybe

653
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 2: I'll do an inn Oh this is a big one.

654
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 2: Nipple rings?

655
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: Uh huh.

656
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 2: So I believe that an A list celebrity will either

657
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Speaker 2: for a role or in real life get a nipple ring.

658
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it will.

659
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Speaker 2: Okay, so you know what was watched Florence Pugh having

660
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Speaker 2: a septum piercing. She thought that would make an impact

661
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Speaker 2: and it didn't.

662
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Speaker 1: Damn.

663
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Speaker 2: But this is going to actually make an impact. It's

664
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Speaker 2: gonna be like, right, it's gonna it's not gonna be

665
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Speaker 2: Ryan Gossing, but it'll be like h or or and

666
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Speaker 2: not Timothy. But it will be someone that is an

667
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 2: a list.

668
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: You know, it will be who Troy.

669
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Speaker 2: Do you think he's a list enough?

670
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: I think he's up there.

671
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 2: See I was thinking it will be a straight man.

672
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Speaker 2: Oh really, yeah, no I don't. This is not a

673
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 2: gay like I think it'll be Like I almost think

674
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 2: there will be like a paparazzi photo where Daniel da

675
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Speaker 2: Lewis has a nipple ring and has had one this

676
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 2: entire time, you know what I mean, Like it'll be

677
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Speaker 2: something like that, you know, in a Phoenix Yes, like

678
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Speaker 2: what yes, promoting Joker two. Yeah, it'll be It'll be

679
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Speaker 2: Joaquin Phoenix. It'll be I was about to say dread letter,

680
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Speaker 2: but again he's too old. It'll be No, it'll be

681
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 2: someone exactly like that. And then you know, all the

682
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 2: various you know, all the various people at GQ magazine

683
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 2: will write about it, and it will be written about

684
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: in some fashion news letter, and then there will be

685
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: some podcast about the cultural history of the nipple ring,

686
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: and then someone will talk about how like, actually people

687
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 2: think it came from this plays but all all and

688
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: then uh, and then we'll be too far deep, and

689
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 2: then it will become in fact, then new stept in piercing.

690
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 2: You know how stept and piercing used to be like

691
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 2: so out there and now literally like a girl who

692
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 2: works in branding will come in and be wearing a

693
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 2: sort of oversized blazer and yeah, and she'll be We're.

694
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Speaker 3: So excited to work with you guys on the project,

695
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 3: and you know, Q one has been amazing for us

696
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 3: and we just love what you do and so we

697
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 3: just want you to bring a unique voice to this

698
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 3: and you know, just have some fun. And she has

699
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Speaker 3: a full bowl septum piercing.

700
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I oh.

701
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Speaker 3: Oh. The one thing stopping nipple rings from fully taking off,

702
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 3: I think is that I think they actually really hurt well,

703
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 3: and I think that will be like the that's only

704
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 3: and then you know it's only speed bump people do

705
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 3: stuff that hurts all the time totally. But I think

706
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 3: like for it to really trend, the celebrity has to

707
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 3: do it and then suddenly, like for thousand people on

708
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 3: TikTok do it. But I do think it being painful

709
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 3: will stop people.

710
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 2: But guess what what, that's what the videos will be about.

711
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 2: Everyone will be like, no one tells you that getting

712
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 2: a nipple ring is actually painful.

713
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: Get ready with me while I get my nipple pears.

714
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I do think that will be it'll be

715
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,720
Speaker 2: like this new trend is actually painful.

716
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 3: Oh my god, because then there's gonna be videos about

717
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 3: like mine got infected and like follow me on my

718
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 3: multi part journey brought to you by Colgate.

719
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Speaker 1: Literally wow. Yeah, huh, Well we should get them. I

720
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: don't want to.

721
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 2: I don't want to either. I do think actually it

722
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 2: would look good on you. I don't think I don't

723
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 2: have the body for it. And I'm not saying that

724
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 2: it's a ficial compliments. It's just there are different body types.

725
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 2: I think you actually would look good and with a

726
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 2: nipple ring, I don't.

727
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Speaker 3: Have to change a lot of my stylistic choices. I think,

728
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Speaker 3: you know, I don't think the paralel sweater when you

729
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 3: pull it off with you certainly?

730
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Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, Okay, let me see what I want to do.

731
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 3: I'll do an in Okay, Okay, Terry Richardson's style photo shoot,

732
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,720
Speaker 3: but without acknowledging who Terry Richardson.

733
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 2: Is one and actually related to that. Woody Allen movies,

734
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,280
Speaker 2: not acknowledging that they're influenced by like like Woody Allen

735
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 2: esque comedies, not acknowledging that they are clearly ripops of

736
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 2: Woody Allen. Wow, yeah, there will be Actually, and I

737
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 2: would say across the board things clearly influenced by quote

738
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 2: unquote problematic men that you know what. Actually where I

739
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 2: really noticed this where in the Albert Brooks documentary, because

740
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 2: it is a very clear connection that Woody Allen is

741
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 2: his contemporary who made similar movies about neurotic men who

742
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 2: are like bad with women. And it was this is

743
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: a film that is mentioning like other contemporaries of his,

744
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: like what the vibe was like at the time, like

745
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 2: whether or not he was the first person to do

746
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 2: such and such. And the parallel is right there. They

747
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 2: are the like almost the same age. They had a

748
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 2: very similar sort of trajectory from being like a very

749
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 2: old comic to being a tourist filmmaker. And the name

750
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 2: Woody Allen was not mentioned the entire documentary.

751
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 3: I mean, there is something we need to figure out

752
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 3: a better way, like like I like then just not

753
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 3: saying who they are, because this keeps happening, and it's

754
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 3: sort of like there's something like we think we're doing

755
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 3: the right thing. But there's got to be a better

756
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 3: way because it almost like allows people to not feel

757
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 3: like they did anything wrong, where it's like no, that

758
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 3: just never happened totally, and it's like no, no, no.

759
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 2: And then you open yourself up to critiques of like

760
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 2: cancel culture and Bob. But it's like, well, if we're

761
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:43,919
Speaker 2: not allowed to talk about it, then we can never heal.

762
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 2: But sorry, I sort of steamrolled your idea, so, Terry richards.

763
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 3: So, Terry Richardson, I mean, I think it's the natural

764
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 3: progression from Indie Slee's and I think people it's also

765
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 3: something that's relatively easy.

766
00:36:58,960 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: To do at home.

767
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, very much so.

768
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 3: And I think that that style it is like slutty,

769
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 3: but it like it has like an old like hints

770
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 3: at being artistic, and it's like such it was such

771
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 3: an era that it is like a clear thing to reference.

772
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 3: But I also think that specific little dance because he

773
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 3: was like canceled or whatever, it almost feels like you're

774
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 3: finding it for the first time. And so there's also

775
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,720
Speaker 3: like you can almost have the credit if you want, Yes.

776
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 2: Well it also you actually can have it both ways

777
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: because you also are being sort of provocative just by

778
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 2: referencing totally. But what are you gonna do be like

779
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 2: it counseled for referencing it. Okay, let's see, I can

780
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 2: do Oh, okay, I can do an in Okay. I

781
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 2: think MMF is gonna make a huge comeback, and I

782
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 2: think that so a big one. Obviously, there's just a

783
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 2: lot of like movies that have two men and one

784
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 2: woman and they are sort of sexual. There is the

785
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 2: Zendaea tennis movie Challengers. Yeah, there was, of course Passages. Yeah,

786
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 2: basically it's and there's one more that I actually can't remember.

787
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 2: But I just think this is gonna make a big

788
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: if anything. This is sort of the end game of

789
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 2: the Harry Styles conundrum. Is like sort of like straight

790
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 2: ish men quote unquote queer baiting, even though we don't

791
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 2: care about that term on this podcast, Like what is

792
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 2: the endgame? It's MMF. It's like literally being like doing

793
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 2: something gay and while doing it being like this is

794
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 2: not gay and I'm straight and I'm straight, and you'll

795
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 2: never believe this.

796
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: I'm straight.

797
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 3: I think an MMF is genius because it also is

798
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,959
Speaker 3: like of the time where we're sort of like like, yes,

799
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 3: there are gay people, but it's also like, but everyone's

800
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 3: like a little bit of something, and I think it's

801
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 3: so like having your kicket eating it too to be

802
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 3: like I'm having an MMF threesome.

803
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 2: It's also like, as we know, culture keeps getting dumber

804
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 2: and dumber, and what that means is things that are

805
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 2: sort of left of the imagination have to be made literal.

806
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 2: And so we have someone like carry Styles where he's

807
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 2: sort of like, well, I'm kind I'm half straight, half queer.

808
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 2: You actually need to visualize that by him being on

809
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 2: the red carpet kissing a man and then kissing a

810
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 2: woman like it is. It's very It's like we need

811
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: to make this clear he's kind of straight, kind of queer.

812
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 3: I mean I even see it with gay guys though,

813
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 3: Like I think gay guys are like, Okay, we've like

814
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 3: said we're gay for a decade. Yeah, like we what's next? Literally,

815
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 3: like no one's talking about me anymore. It's time to

816
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 3: like expand my horizon. Ye.

817
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 2: And this is separate from this is not about bisexuality,

818
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 2: of course not that's not what we're talking about.

819
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: We are talking about MMF.

820
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm specifically talking about gay guys because I

821
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 3: think it's really trendy and gay guy circles right now

822
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 3: to be like, well.

823
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:53,479
Speaker 1: Of course I would sleep with a woman.

824
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, like we're sort of there's a reaction to the like,

825
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 3: you know, y two k era, like vagina's our gross.

826
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,439
Speaker 3: So I think now it's like, well, I would sleep

827
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 3: with the wall. Well, of course, I'm I'm not opposed

828
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 3: to that. It's like, yes, I prefer men. But and

829
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 3: so I think this also literalizes that feeling.

830
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Speaker 2: Well, it's gay guys becoming metrosexual in the other direction.

831
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 2: In the nineties and two thousands, we had straight guys

832
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 2: that were like, wouldn't it be fun if we were

833
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: kind of gay? And now we have gay guys they're like,

834
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: wouldn't it be fun if it were kind of straight?

835
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 3: It's actually, you know, who's who stays willing for the

836
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 3: MMF conversation men because straight guys get to be a

837
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 3: little gay.

838
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 1: Gay guys get to be a little.

839
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 2: Straight, and then they get to just like distract from

840
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 2: the fact that they were straight.

841
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 3: All yeah, wow, all right, I think this is huge.

842
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think and I do think people have not

843
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: been sort of so there's Indaya movie, and maybe I'm

844
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 2: wrong and maybe it will flop. But to me, I'm like,

845
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 2: it's mmf, it's Zendaya, our biggest star, it's Luca Guadninho.

846
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 2: It's tennis, which I have long said is about to

847
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 2: really go big one of these days, one of these days,

848
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 2: and I just think it's gonna really happen.

849
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: Wow.

850
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 3: I mean, I think you're totally right. I also think

851
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 3: it pulls in like it's like a soft launch of

852
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 3: like mainstream Polly.

853
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: Yes.

854
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 3: Uh, it's like because you know, there's so many different

855
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 3: relationship styles right now, but I feel like still it's

856
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 3: like kind of weird to be like like when straight

857
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 3: people are open, people like are judgmental of that.

858
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: And I think, I think this is a new thing.

859
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 3: This is gonna bring This is gonna make all of

860
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 3: that an easier conversation.

861
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 2: So in that sense, I guess I welcome it.

862
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: I welcome it. I actually think it's gonna be a

863
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: sleigh all right.

864
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 3: It sounds hot, Okay, this one is also I'll do

865
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 3: a sexual okay sexual in I have hand jobs both

866
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 3: in media and in your own life.

867
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 2: Now that is interesting.

868
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 3: I think I think hand jobs are back. I think

869
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 3: we have like you know, I think there's gonna be

870
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 3: a lot of returning. You know, we've we've all gone

871
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 3: so far. It's high school nostalgia. And I think we've like,

872
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 3: you know, we've done it all. Everyone's you know, we've

873
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 3: done NMF threesomes, we've and now it's sort of like,

874
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,439
Speaker 3: what if we just had a hand job?

875
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: Yeah?

876
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 3: And I think in media specifically, I think it's going

877
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 3: to be horny because it's like there's something about simulated

878
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 3: sex on film where it's like so like under the covers,

879
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 3: holding the thing, rolling over, and it's like there's like

880
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 3: this dance that's almost like there's like fourteen tropes in

881
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 3: a row to have a sex scene. And I actually

882
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 3: think what's fresh and new is a hand job scene.

883
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 2: You will never believe this. In the script I'm currently

884
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 2: working on. He is a hand job.

885
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: Wow, there you go. I think it's going to change things.

886
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 2: Do you think here's a question. Do you think that

887
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 2: the hand jobs will be sort of like intentionally depressing

888
00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 2: mumblecore like Duplace Brothers coded, Like how depressing that this

889
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,959
Speaker 2: long suffering wife is giving her husband a hand job?

890
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 2: Or is it going to be reclaimed as actually erotic?

891
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be reclaim as actually rot interesting.

892
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 3: I see it almost as like like like under the

893
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 3: table at.

894
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: Dinner or something like that.

895
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 3: Oh I love that where it's like, what if a

896
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 3: hand job was really kinky and.

897
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: You know what else, actually a hand job is Actually

898
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 2: it's okay in terms of the gender dynamics of a

899
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 2: heterosexual hand job, Okay, on the one hand, you can

900
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 2: say it is the man is leading the way, he

901
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 2: is the one being serviced. Sure, But on the other hand,

902
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 2: there's I mean, there is a woman that is taking

903
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 2: the most vulnerable part of you and she's in control

904
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 2: of it. If she wanted, she could pick you up

905
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 2: from it and throw you across the room.

906
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: I mean she's been lifting.

907
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 2: Yes, So I think that I actually think hand jobs

908
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: will go from being disempowering to being empowering.

909
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 3: I think they're gonna be very empowering. I mean, I

910
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 3: do think there is already like a little bit dominating. Yeah,

911
00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 3: like because also it's not mutual. It's like I'm completely clothed,

912
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 3: you are naked, and I'm drinking you off.

913
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 2: There's gonna be a scene where a man is talking

914
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 2: and he's talking like too much, and the woman to

915
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 2: shut him up, grabs his dick. Yeah, and she's like,

916
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 2: shut up, all right, I'm in done. Well, this is

917
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 2: one that we both actually had, which is that for in,

918
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 2: we have red hair that is like a late nineties

919
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 2: it's the red hair of the Duleipa has in Houdini,

920
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 2: so sort of like almost like red to black, not

921
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 2: a ginger no, not ginger hair, artificial artificial red, almost

922
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 2: like matrix. Like it could be something that would be

923
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 2: in the matrix or something that someone doing cosplay would have.

924
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have an out that's really similar to this too,

925
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 3: which is I think out is going blonde.

926
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's like.

927
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 3: In this political climate, yeah, you're saying I'm blonde.

928
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 2: I would even go so far as to say there

929
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 2: might be a resurgence in like dumb blonde jokes. Oh,

930
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 2: and that will be a which is also sort of

931
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 2: like a toxic nostalgia almost like misogynist early two thousand

932
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:15,720
Speaker 2: sense of humor.

933
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 3: I think the red hair specifically is like, you know,

934
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 3: there's the trope now, the Republican specter of the blue

935
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 3: haired lesbian. Yes, and so now people are like, well,

936
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 3: I don't want to paint dye my hair blue because

937
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 3: then I'll be playing into the Republican hand and then

938
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 3: there's like, well, I can't go blonde because that's so insensitive.

939
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 2: So the red, yes, the shade of red we're talking about,

940
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 2: is actually the perfect midway point between quote unquote natural

941
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 2: hair color and quote unquote like and sort of like

942
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 2: actually blue green, you know, sort of like cosplay anime hair.

943
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 2: It is exactly in between because you have a what's

944
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 2: the word. Uh, it's similar enough to a natural shade,

945
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 2: which red plausible donability. You have plausible deniability because you're like,

946
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 2: well it's red.

947
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's teetering between natural and un natural, much.

948
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 2: Like the bright yellow that like Gaga had during the

949
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 2: is that art Pop? I think that was like right

950
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 2: before Monster fem Monster. Yeah. Like it's similar to yes, exactly,

951
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 2: she had it in telephone. Yeah, but like similar to

952
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 2: the bright yellow where it's like, actually, it's even more

953
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 2: crazy than having blue hair because it's almost like natural.

954
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 3: Well, there's also an element of like not caring, which

955
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 3: is I think really in right now. Yeah, and I

956
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 3: think like the almost poorly done red dye job is

957
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,919
Speaker 3: like says like yeah, I'm taking swings and I don't

958
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 3: really care how it turns out. Yeah, I also do

959
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 3: have to point out that I think it's insane you

960
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 3: have not listened to or seen the music video for

961
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 3: Rudini and yet can even say that red hair Whodini

962
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 3: style isn't well.

963
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 2: I think that is what's powerful about the dua leap

964
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 2: of marketing machine is that the way I have not

965
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 2: listened to the song, have not watched the video, but

966
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 2: I already know the references shees going for even just

967
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 2: seeing the cover of the single and the font that

968
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 2: she's using, I'm like, I get it. Also another I

969
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 2: just want to say another reference for that kind of

970
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 2: red hair. Also, I feel like, uh, it's like TLC,

971
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 2: Like there's also that sort of like the Y two

972
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 2: K R and B Yeah, yeah, red hair. Where I

973
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,439
Speaker 2: feel like is it would it have been tea buzz

974
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 2: that would have had the red hair anyway, whatever, but

975
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,439
Speaker 2: you get what I'm saying, Like that sort of era

976
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 2: of Y two K. Everyone's ringing silver Yeah is another reference.

977
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: Okay, I have an out. Okay, air pods.

978
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean to me, they've were never to talk

979
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:45,919
Speaker 2: about something. To me did not have the range from

980
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 2: the get go, But.

981
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 3: Now I think people were like you know what whatever,

982
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 3: Like I know I can speak from personal experience. I

983
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, like if I have the iPhone, if

984
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 3: it just works with it, that that's good. Yeah, like

985
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 3: I'm sure it'll be a pretty seamless thing. And then

986
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 3: it's like, no, they actually got me, Like they don't

987
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 3: work well, they look stupid, they fall out, they like

988
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 3: sound bad, and it's like, ah, this is maybe.

989
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: Just a personal gripe.

990
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 3: No, no please, But I'm like never considered myself like

991
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 3: needing like super nice headphones, Like I am like, you know,

992
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 3: a standard headphone will do. And then the AirPods are

993
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 3: so annoying to me that I'm like, no, I'm actually

994
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 3: ready to become an audio file and be supremely annoying

995
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 3: because this shit sucks and I'm so mad at a

996
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 3: corporation that I once trusted that you know, now I

997
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 3: can't now that what they're gonna put out the next

998
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 3: iPhone and I'm gonna have to wonder if it works.

999
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: Unbelievable.

1000
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 2: AirPods are a great example of trust your gut. It's

1001
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 2: like when people are talking about current events and they're like,

1002
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 2: you know what you're seeing, trust your own eyes, Yeah,

1003
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 2: don't believe, don't believe in propaganda the mean air. But

1004
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, I'm sorry, I'm seeing these like little

1005
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 2: pieces of plastic that are supposed to a stay in

1006
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 2: your ears be what. They keep falling on the ground

1007
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 2: on literal dog shit and you have to just like

1008
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 2: pick them up and put them back in your ears.

1009
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 2: They're easy to lose, they are not connected to one another.

1010
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 2: What do you want me to do with that?

1011
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: It's insane.

1012
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 3: They also symbolize, like, you know, the business person on

1013
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 3: a call, like screaming at someone. There's a coldness to

1014
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 3: them that is like I actually don't want to be

1015
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 3: a part of that community.

1016
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 2: So I want to say, what are normal Apple headphones

1017
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 2: called earbuds? Yeah, I'm not saying they're a perfect product

1018
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 2: because and admittedly I am not an audiophile. I am

1019
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 2: okay just listening to my earbuds on the subway. But

1020
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 2: to me, that is a product that has been a

1021
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 2: part of my life at this point for like fifteen

1022
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 2: years and it has sort of always done the job.

1023
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 2: And I'm okay just stopping there and not attempt to

1024
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 2: fix something that does need to be fixed in some way.

1025
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 2: I am literally okay carrying around a white pair of

1026
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 2: twenty dollars Apple earbuds. I'm putting them in my pocket

1027
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 2: and I am using them when I need to listen

1028
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:13,240
Speaker 2: to something.

1029
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 3: Well, I do need a cordless option, you know. I

1030
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 3: have such an active lifestyle all that the cord gets

1031
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 3: in my way.

1032
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 2: But it's not AirPods. It's not AirPods. All right, Okay,

1033
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 2: let's see, so that was an out.

1034
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: I only have one more in.

1035
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 2: I have a cube, but they're not sort of a

1036
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 2: one more in and one more out. Okay, all right,

1037
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 2: I do have one small one which I can just

1038
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 2: do quickly, which is docuseries. Documentary should be feature films.

1039
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 2: And actually, if you think you have too much information,

1040
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 2: edit it until it is the length of the feature film.

1041
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:51,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1042
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 3: There's a little thing called Final Cup Pro and I

1043
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 3: think you're gonna want to download it.

1044
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1045
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 2: And by the way, if your documentary is about I

1046
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,959
Speaker 2: don't know, beanie babies, don't make it and make something else.

1047
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 2: Not everything needs to be like a Netflix docuseries.

1048
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 3: Well, and I think you're speaking it's because you know,

1049
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 3: the medium is the message.

1050
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: It's literally because of the streamers.

1051
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly.

1052
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 3: I think as we reject you know, post strikes are

1053
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 3: rejecting the whims of the streamers and the powers of

1054
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 3: the streamers. Yeah, I think we need to reject docuseries. Yeah,

1055
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 3: there's some incredible.

1056
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 1: Movies in there.

1057
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 3: Yes, if you would cut it down from six hours

1058
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 3: to one and a half.

1059
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 2: I also, I know this exists, so I don't want

1060
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 2: to be like, why doesn't this exist? It's because I

1061
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 2: don't seek it out. But we need to take mainstream.

1062
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 2: We need to make mainstream documentaries a little more artistic.

1063
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 2: Like it is the way that they are all created

1064
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 2: literally on like an iPhone app for video editing is

1065
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 2: a bit much, a bit much for me. Like you're

1066
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 2: still a filmmaker. Sure, it can't just be poorly lit

1067
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 2: talking head interviews and then like archival footage, give me

1068
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 2: a little something. Yeah yeah, and along those lines. Actually,

1069
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 2: and I know I keep bring up the albuc Berks documentary.

1070
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 2: I am done with documentaries that are just famous people

1071
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 2: praising another famous person.

1072
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: Yeah that's rough.

1073
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 2: That doesn't do anything for me.

1074
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 3: All right, Okay, well I have a small one also, Yeah,

1075
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 3: this is an in my final in Okay, mid length socks.

1076
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think commit to something.

1077
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 3: The high is out. Yeah, and I think the low

1078
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 3: is out. So what's in mid length? Oh, mid length

1079
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 3: is in?

1080
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 2: I know that out?

1081
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,240
Speaker 3: Okay, I think, oh wow, Well I think it's again

1082
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 3: as we going to an exten year. Yeah, I think

1083
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 3: people are going to be going towards the center.

1084
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 2: That's true.

1085
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 3: I think centrism is in. And it goes back to the

1086
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 3: red hair. I think, yeah, yeah, totally. It's like, how

1087
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 3: can I not be too loud? Yes, but while still

1088
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 3: making a choice exactly. And I think a mid length sock.

1089
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 3: I mean I've never worn one in my life, but

1090
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 3: I do think I feel a pressure to get them

1091
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 3: and they don't know why. I don't know who's putting

1092
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 3: it on me.

1093
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 2: It also goes back to MMF because you literally are

1094
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 2: not deciding indecision literally indecision, but also reclaiming indecision as

1095
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 2: not a bug, as a feature. Not a bug is

1096
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 2: the big theme of of everything we're saying.

1097
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:21,439
Speaker 1: That is so true.

1098
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, yeah, you know it's interesting. One of mine,

1099
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 2: and this is sort of related. One of my outs

1100
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 2: was loafer black loafers with white sox, not because I

1101
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 2: don't like I actually think it's a great look and

1102
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 2: I even myself have dabbled in it, of course, but

1103
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 2: I think it's so that market is so oversaturated where

1104
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 2: at this point that is it's almost like then you

1105
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 2: sneaker in white sox. Then I'm like, where do we

1106
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 2: go from here? It has made its point.

1107
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, but if the outfit calls calls for it, I'll do.

1108
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 2: An out again. This is a bit obvious and it's

1109
00:53:58,040 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 2: been a long time coming, but IP.

1110
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 3: Like I think they are saying about it being obvious,

1111
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:05,760
Speaker 3: but I think it does need to be said.

1112
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 2: Well because literally all the big IP stuff is flopping.

1113
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 3: And I think because I think it would be easy

1114
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 3: to be like Marvel. Yeah, but I think you're speaking

1115
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 3: to a higher truth, and that is that all IP

1116
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 3: is out.

1117
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 2: There is something about I've been recently watching this is

1118
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 2: actually very out of character for me. I've been recently

1119
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 2: watching the interview with the vampire show. M hm, do

1120
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 2: you have you seen this? Very gay? And it is

1121
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 2: to be clear good well acted, like so big budget,

1122
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 2: but there's something where I'm like, why am I watching

1123
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 2: a story that's already been told?

1124
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1125
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 2: And why is like they are taking a story that exists,

1126
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 2: not only exists, but like every adopt like the famous

1127
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 2: adaptation of it has was very successful and very good

1128
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 2: and featured like the two biggest A list actors of

1129
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 2: the time. And so your twist on it is that

1130
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 2: you're like making it more gay and putting it on showtime.

1131
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1132
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 3: I think there's like a disrespect of the audiences where

1133
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 3: it's like they will not click play unless they know

1134
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 3: it already. Yeah, And I think people are like actually

1135
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 3: tired of being disrespected.

1136
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 2: Audiences are smart. Well, in some ways they're actually dumb

1137
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 2: as rocks, of course, but in terms of the IP conversation,

1138
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 2: they are actually slightly smarter than companies think.

1139
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1140
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 3: But and I do think it's starting to be like

1141
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 3: a yeah, like a bad mark. Like people are now like, well,

1142
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 3: I don't want to watch it because I don't want

1143
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 3: to watch something that already existed.

1144
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 2: I also think we are at a crossroads where people

1145
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 2: do actually need to revolt against that, and if they don't,

1146
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 2: then it actually will be too late. Like if anything,

1147
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 2: I will say, optimistically speaking ips out this year, but

1148
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 2: only if people act, because if people are passive. I

1149
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 2: was actually looking when I was sort of like think

1150
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 2: about this, I was looking at what the movies the

1151
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 2: big movies that are going to be relayed in twenty

1152
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 2: twenty four are and they are truly all sequels and prequels.

1153
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,479
Speaker 2: People need to actually make their voices heard.

1154
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm voting. Yeah, I'm going to the cinema.

1155
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. I watched that Nicholas Cage movie.

1156
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:09,760
Speaker 1: I watched Killers of a Flower exactly.

1157
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 2: I watched Anatomy of a Fall.

1158
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 3: I mean, hello, and I try to, but it's not

1159
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 3: any good theaters anymore.

1160
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was me with my December but I'm gonna

1161
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 2: watch it.

1162
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch it. I'm just not going to go

1163
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 1: to kIPS Bay for it.

1164
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:21,320
Speaker 2: Please.

1165
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: Okay, this is my last out.

1166
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 2: We have a final out.

1167
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 3: Okay, final out, and this one I almost took off

1168
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 3: the list, but I stand by it.

1169
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: Skipping stones.

1170
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,439
Speaker 2: Wait, that's an out that's in your mind that's been

1171
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:42,280
Speaker 2: so over so like if you represented a culture.

1172
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 1: On a pond side. Huh picking up a rock and

1173
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:49,879
Speaker 1: skipping it. Yeah, you need to stop right same more.

1174
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,720
Speaker 3: You have an urge for destruction that is the cause

1175
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 3: of everything wrong. And in fact, I need you to

1176
00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 3: go read a book. I need you to ponder quietly.

1177
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 3: You don't have to be active to be, you know,

1178
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 3: taking the beauty of a pond.

1179
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting that you say cause for destruction. I

1180
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 2: think skipping stone a skipping stone can be a form

1181
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 2: of artistic expression because you are trying to create something waves. However,

1182
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 2: it can also be just a more watery version of

1183
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 2: like hacky sack.

1184
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: It's also a water you're like throwing rocks.

1185
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you are, in fact throwing stones one of

1186
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 2: the quintessential violent things you can do.

1187
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: You shouldn't be throwing stones, yea, And why are you

1188
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: hurting the butter? And not to mention, have you ever been.

1189
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 3: In, like say, a lake when someone is skipping stones

1190
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 3: nearby you're swimming while you're swimming, Oh interesting, and you're

1191
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 3: like hey, and they're like, I'm far enough away from you,

1192
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 3: and I'm like, well, what if I swim over there?

1193
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 2: Right? And also what if you're really good at skipping

1194
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 2: stones and it goes all the way.

1195
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it hits me in the head, knocks me out.

1196
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 3: I'm you know, you're dead in the lake. Oh I'm

1197
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 3: a true crime story. Okay, it's minority report. And let's

1198
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 3: just say the precogs know what happened.

1199
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: They know what happened.

1200
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 3: I'm also just like there's something else skipping stones when

1201
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 3: I'm like, it's so.

1202
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: Like cinematic of like I'm thinking about.

1203
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 3: My childhood that I'm sort of like, you're like almost

1204
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 3: not living honestly because you're like doing something with a trope.

1205
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, No, that's interesting. You actually can't be doing

1206
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 2: it unless you think you're being watched and filmed exactly.

1207
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 3: It's like it's like looking out the window on a train,

1208
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 3: which I think, by the way, they should not let

1209
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 3: you do.

1210
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 2: No, the windows should be closed with tape.

1211
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 3: Everyone that does it is like I'm in a movie.

1212
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 3: It's yeah, No, You're like, no, you're not.

1213
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 1: You're on your way to DC.

1214
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, do.

1215
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: You have any more? I do have more.

1216
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 2: I'm trying to decide if like we should end it there.

1217
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 2: I mean I do think that is a beautiful, a

1218
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 2: beautiful way to end. Yeah, I mean, I can say

1219
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 2: very quickly one of my outs was workwhere but I

1220
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 2: think we've sort of already covered that.

1221
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can. For the record, I'm not getting a

1222
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 1: new wardrobe.

1223
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 2: I'm still there's no way around it. Maybe we can

1224
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 2: end on my last in is sideburns.

1225
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 1: Oh I love this one.

1226
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:29,919
Speaker 2: So this is sort of it is the last form

1227
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 2: of facial hair that has not been reclaimed for the

1228
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 2: twenty twenties.

1229
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think this goes with bong stoner culture.

1230
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 3: I think goes with creed culture, I think.

1231
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 2: And also big Lebowski.

1232
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 3: I mean, I think a big stupid sideburn is going

1233
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 3: to be so back and it's going to be like,

1234
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 3: I can't believe this looks.

1235
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 2: And I actually think it's tied to the sort of

1236
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 2: Elvis moment we're living in. Sure, I think the Elvis

1237
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 2: estate is really orchestrating a lot more things than we

1238
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 2: think they are.

1239
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're putting all the ceramics and all the Brooklyn store. Yeah.

1240
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 2: Like, I also this idea that they don't want Priscilla

1241
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 2: to be released, I am not buying now. I think

1242
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 2: they like the drama of it, and I think anything

1243
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 2: that drums up interest in Elvis who Like. I don't

1244
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 2: say this as a hater, but I can't imagine caring

1245
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 2: about Elvis. That's it is so outside of of like

1246
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 2: the things currently relevant in our culture. And yet there

1247
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 2: are two Elvis movies that have come out in the

1248
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 2: last three years, and both of them are big oscar contenders.

1249
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 3: It actually does make me feel a little bit insane

1250
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 3: and in a way where I I'm just like waiting

1251
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 3: for the Elvis moment to pass because it's never spoken

1252
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 3: to me. And I know, like if I didn't know

1253
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 3: who I was in a more profound way, I would

1254
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 3: be like, maybe I love Elvis now, like maybe this time,

1255
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 3: I love Elvis, and I'm so proud of myself.

1256
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 2: I mean, Elvis is like dorm poster. It's like, yes,

1257
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 2: it is something that someone with a complete lack of

1258
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 2: any personality gravitated towards.

1259
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 3: When I was in college, I was like, I no know,

1260
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:00,439
Speaker 3: high school maybe either one. I was like, I guess

1261
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 3: I love Johnny Cash because the Johnny Cash movie came out,

1262
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 3: and I was like, okay, I guess I love Johnny

1263
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 3: Cash now.

1264
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean I did love that one song hurt.

1265
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 2: Of course, I would much rather he make a comeback

1266
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 2: than Elvis, even though talk about problematic men, but we

1267
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 2: don't have time.

1268
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 1: Who has the time? Well, how do you feel after

1269
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: doing that?

1270
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 2: You know, I'd say I coming in, I was pretty

1271
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 2: insecure about mine. I said, these are conventional, these are cliche,

1272
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 2: But after talking them through with you. I actually feel

1273
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 2: like we made some incredible points. I think this is

1274
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 2: it really is the sort of parent trap, two ripped

1275
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 2: photos coming together and making one photo.

1276
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 1: I did not have red hair. That scared me.

1277
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 2: Well, not just red hair. We both had therapy, I

1278
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 2: mean we Wow, there was a lot of overlap. We

1279
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 2: both essentially had stoner culture.

1280
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 1: M hm.

1281
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean if two gay guys think it, it's true. Yeah,

1282
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 3: I do feel a little bit. You know, speaking from

1283
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 3: a place with already for that long is a bit scary.

1284
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 3: You know, you're almost waiting for someone to yell at

1285
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 3: you yes and be like who do you think you are?

1286
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 3: And luckily no one in this room is allowed to

1287
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 3: speak except for us.

1288
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 1: But it does, of course make me feel a little

1289
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 1: bit gross. For the record, oh.

1290
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 2: Sure, but when do we not feel a little bit gross?

1291
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 1: True?

1292
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 2: True, might as well embrace it.

1293
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 1: That's a really great point.

1294
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 2: Actually, I think embracing feeling a little bit gross is

1295
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 2: in for twenty twenty four. And I actually think, on

1296
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 2: a more serious note that ties I actually think like

1297
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 2: shame is coming back.

1298
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 1: Shame is back, shame and in.

1299
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 2: Shame almost has been back. Yeah, like the idea of

1300
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 2: you know what's out. Anyone doing anything quote unquote unapologetically.

1301
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 1: Unapologetic is out.

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Speaker 2: Unapologetic is so out, it's insane.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, please be apologizing.

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Speaker 2: And actually, when like next time someone is being unapologetic

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Speaker 2: that it's like, whoa, We're not doing that anymore.

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Speaker 3: That's almost one of ologetic Terry Richards. Literally Yeah, all right, Well,

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Speaker 3: happy New Year's.

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Speaker 2: Happy new Year to all. We hope you're having a

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Speaker 2: cozy and happy week, either with your family or chosen family,

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Speaker 2: or your partner or your multiple partners if you're sort

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Speaker 2: of in an MMF relationship, or by yourself, maybe doing

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Speaker 2: a sexy like going out for Manhattan I'll say that,

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Speaker 2: or even a mold wine of some sort.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm listening.

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Speaker 2: I hope you're cooking or eating, making plans, making resolutions.

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Speaker 1: I hope you're making a lot of resolutions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because this is gonna be a good year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a nice clean number.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: All right, see you at the Olympics.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we're competing.

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Speaker 2: Slash Stradio Lab.

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