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Speaker 1: Welcome Home you guys is episode twenty sixth of Native Lamppod.

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Speaker 1: I am your host, Tiffany Cross. So here's my co

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Speaker 1: host Andrew Gillum and Angela Rai and right here we

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Speaker 1: give it to you like that crown.

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Speaker 4: Wow, straight, no chaser. What's going on you guys.

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Speaker 3: It's been a billion rady some milk.

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Speaker 1: All the changes, the difficulties we had a so just

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Speaker 1: so y'all know we've had a lot of technical little

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Speaker 1: difficulties today Getting it.

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Speaker 4: Ain't nothing but the devil.

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Speaker 5: I mean it can be, but he not over here.

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Speaker 5: I think the devil don't want us to get this

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Speaker 5: truth to all today.

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Speaker 4: But we shall be moved. That's gotta be what it is.

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Speaker 4: That's gotta be what it.

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Speaker 1: Well, we better get into it before before something else happened.

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Speaker 4: We didn't have audio issues, video issues.

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Speaker 3: So but we still standing, y'all, We still stand.

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Speaker 4: But we get up.

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Speaker 1: All right, Nick, we fell down. Gonna get us on

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Speaker 1: up and drop that beat, all right, you guys. So

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Speaker 1: we have a lot to get into. First of all,

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Speaker 1: I know y'all wanted to hear from us after the debate,

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Speaker 1: but this is our recording schedule. We dropped the day

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Speaker 1: that debate happened, and so unfortunately you did not get

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Speaker 1: to hear from us. But we're gonna get into the

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Speaker 1: fallout from that, which I think is way more important

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Speaker 1: on this episode. So Angela, I know because we were

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Speaker 1: in group chats and talking about it, this Trump Community case.

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Speaker 4: Yes, here's the thing.

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Speaker 5: We all knew that this was going to be one

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Speaker 5: of these things that was going to happen. But that's

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Speaker 5: what happens when you have insurrectionists on the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 5: So we will talk about the Supreme court ruling, the

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Speaker 5: opinion that was just brought down yesterday. We're recording a

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Speaker 5: day early this week, and we will talk about my

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Speaker 5: favorite part as well, the dissenters, because sometimes it's the

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Speaker 5: dissenters who preserve.

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Speaker 4: The union, so we'll talk about that.

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Speaker 5: I'm looking forward to get into this discussion, although I'm

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Speaker 5: not excited about what the ruling was at all.

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Speaker 3: No, no, what you bring up, yeah, I mean, and

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Speaker 3: follow up to this course ruling, I think the stakes

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Speaker 3: of this presidential US and it congressional. You list the

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Speaker 3: offices and we can talk about its importance. I believe

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Speaker 3: they shifted and I love to sort of get into

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Speaker 3: Yes there was the debate, Yes there was the poor performance,

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Speaker 3: but yes, there is a presidential election at stake, and

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Speaker 3: the six couldn't be much higher. We'll get into that,

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Speaker 3: all right.

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Speaker 1: Before we get into the show, I'm gonna throw it

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Speaker 1: back because I got to disappoint you guys. There are

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Speaker 1: no sports in the show this week. So I got

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Speaker 1: three throwbacks for you that are all sports. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's good. So July sixth, nineteen fifty seven, ALTHEA. Gibson

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Speaker 1: became the first black woman to win Wimbledon. July fifth,

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy five, Arthur Ash became the first black man

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Speaker 1: to win with Wimbledon, and July six, two thousand and two,

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Speaker 1: Serena Williams defeated Venus to win her first Wimbledon singles title.

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Speaker 1: I haven't given you all my tennis knowledge, so there

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Speaker 3: I appreciate that. That's our little shot, you know.

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Speaker 1: I just want to bring the people to sports, because everybody,

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Speaker 1: no matter how you feel about anything, everybody like sports, like.

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Speaker 4: Me, any who.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to get into that too, because now we

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Speaker 6: Hello Andrew, Hello Tiffany, and hello Angelum. My name is

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Speaker 6: Jason Bowman. I am from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Love Native Land podcast,

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Speaker 6: and I'm hoping that you guys can answer my question

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Speaker 6: because I'm sure, like most Americans, we are confused over

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Speaker 6: the Supreme Court ruling in regards to January sixth insurrection.

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Speaker 3: So here goes.

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Speaker 6: So I'm confused because I would love to know what

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Speaker 6: Donald Trump has immunity over his behavior that basically excited

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Speaker 6: I assume that when the president was taking office that

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Speaker 6: So I'm just confused. What message does this send to

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Speaker 5: Apparently the Supreme Court is still bon and so, and

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Speaker 5: apparently Justice Clarence Thomas is still dropping it like it's

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Speaker 5: the Supreme Court which talked about Donald Trump having immunity.

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Speaker 5: We have absolute immunity, which was on the table, and

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Speaker 5: presumptive immunity, which was on the table before this particular ruling.

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Speaker 4: This court is John Roberts.

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Speaker 5: Justice Roberts starts this decision saying that they've never had

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Speaker 5: to consider criminal immunity for a president before, and that's

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Speaker 5: what was at stake in this particular case. The most

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Speaker 5: critical line in the opinion is this, this case is

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Speaker 5: the first criminal prosecution in our nation's history. Of a

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Speaker 4: Now, you would think with.

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Speaker 5: The line like that that they are going to side

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Speaker 5: They instead say that there is no immunity for unofficial acts. Great, right,

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Speaker 4: Where we are. There's no immunity for our.

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Speaker 5: Official or unofficial acts, but that there is absolute immunity

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Speaker 4: Preclusive constitutional authority. We'll talk about that.

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Speaker 5: And he is entitled to at least presumptive immunity from

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Speaker 4: How does it apply to Joe Biden.

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Speaker 5: criminal liability. Well, now under this case doctrine, he couldn't

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Speaker 5: But the thing that's most interesting to me at this point, y'all,

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Speaker 5: He used this case from yesterday, this holding in this case,

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Speaker 4: In state matters.

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Speaker 5: Well, the verdict of the sentencing is now postponed by

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Speaker 3: Now, well, one, thank you for helping to break that

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Speaker 3: Department of Justice in New York was supposed to submit

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Speaker 3: But Angela one of the shocking decision in the sense

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Speaker 4: No, one second.

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Speaker 7: I'm trying to understand what the disincentive is from turning

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Speaker 8: I don't know if there's any allegation of that in

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Speaker 7: No I also let me let me let me put

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Speaker 5: So I want I wanted to play that clip because,

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Speaker 4: It is important for me to try to lay out

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Speaker 5: This is about what anybody elected to the highest office

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Speaker 4: To say this is these are the things you can

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Speaker 5: Even and this was the part that was scary for

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Speaker 4: They're perimeter like when you say it, because I mean,

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Speaker 5: But tip, what I'm saying is they look like what

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Speaker 5: And even if it looks like you were signing the

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Speaker 3: And Angela, I don't think they were opake about that.

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Speaker 5: And that's absolute immunity too. So pardoning if he does

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Speaker 3: Sure no, they operate in my state, at least under

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Speaker 3: they've never done anything wrong before. It's because the norms

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Speaker 3: is that it's beyond the pale, you can't pursue them

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Speaker 3: in that way. But this, honestly, this.

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Speaker 5: This is, this is in writing as the law now though,

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Speaker 5: So I'm wondering, kids, this is now going to be

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Speaker 5: extended like you cannot write. So that's what I'm curious about, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 5: if we and I know, we got to take a break,

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Speaker 5: I know we gotta take a break. But I want

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Speaker 5: to know, do we think it's going to be extended

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Speaker 5: to captains? Do we think it'll be extended to mayors

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Speaker 5: and governors? Do we I think this would be extended

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Speaker 5: to other people on the federal level, But do we

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Speaker 5: think that this same.

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Speaker 4: The same letter of the.

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Speaker 5: Law, interpretation of the law well, and really the making

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Speaker 5: of a brand new law will be extended to other

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Speaker 5: folks who are acting on behalf of the government in

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Speaker 5: these roles, or is it only going to be the president.

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Speaker 1: No, I think the Court has already proven that they

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Speaker 1: they know no bounds with the egregiousness of some of

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Speaker 1: these decisions that they issue. I would say, though, specifically

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Speaker 1: to your question around qualified immunity as it relates to officers,

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Speaker 1: my understanding is that would only extend to federal officers,

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Speaker 1: which is why we always talk about the first step.

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Speaker 1: Act needs a second step and a third step. I

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Speaker 1: think in terms of shielding law enforcement officers who are

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Speaker 1: not federal police, that would have to happen at the

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Speaker 1: local level, like you know, like the state rights Ye,

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Speaker 1: state supreme courts. I'm just talking about Yeah, But I

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Speaker 1: but I think the question you're raising is a legitimate point.

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Speaker 4: I understand your question.

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Speaker 1: I'm making a different point and that if that has

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Speaker 1: to happen like at the state supreme court level. And

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Speaker 1: that is also a potential challenge because while we pay

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Speaker 1: so much attention to the Supreme Court, before something makes

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Speaker 1: it to the Supreme Court, they've gone through the lower

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Speaker 1: courts first, So it's even more I think a reason

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Speaker 1: to pay attention to those down ballot issues that are

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Speaker 1: on that are on the ballot when when you're voting

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Speaker 1: for something, because I can see particularly in the state

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Speaker 1: like Florida that Andrew was talking about, where we absolutely

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Speaker 1: Ron DeSantis could do something like that. You think about

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Speaker 1: red states like Alabama Governor k Ivy and already the

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Speaker 1: abysmal decisions that she's made, especially when it comes around

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Speaker 1: criminal justice in prisons Mississippi with Tate Reeves like, I

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Speaker 1: can't even imagine where this might go.

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Speaker 3: So yes, I think they already started rolling back that.

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Speaker 3: Taken to your point, states have already in this legislative

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Speaker 3: session have already preempted the Court by laying down law

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Speaker 3: in the states that are shredding doctrines around ethics, around

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Speaker 3: being able to be prosecuted for what they do in

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Speaker 3: their office. So this, this is a steping that to Angela,

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Speaker 3: now that I understand your question better, the Court said

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Speaker 3: that in the executive branch, the executive branch is the

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Speaker 3: President of the United States, singularly, that the Congress has

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Speaker 3: four foun nd and thirty five members. The Court has

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Speaker 3: nine members. And thousands of judges underneath it. But in

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Speaker 3: this case, what makes him so exceptional is that he

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Speaker 3: alone is the executive branch. So as it relates to

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Speaker 3: extending immunity to officers, people who work with under him,

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Speaker 3: cabinet members, so on, and so forth, that's off the table.

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Speaker 3: But what isn't off the table is that the president

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Speaker 3: can direct them to take an action, and he can

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Speaker 3: then immediately part them, immediately pardon them from any future prosecution.

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Speaker 5: Or anyone he deputizes, which some of that is enshrined

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Speaker 5: in the Constitution, which is absolute immunity, and any other

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Speaker 5: official act again is that presumed immunity.

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Speaker 4: I know we're over time.

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Speaker 5: To take a break, so we hit this brake, and

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Speaker 5: I do want to make sure we hear a question.

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Speaker 5: We have a I'm gonna say, but maybe that's gonna

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Speaker 5: being at the top. I skipped over that I was

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Speaker 5: ready to jump.

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Speaker 1: We're going to pay some bills. But when we come

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Speaker 1: back on the other side, we want to bring you

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Speaker 1: into the conversation. And this is a reminder please remember

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Speaker 1: to keep submitting your videos. We want to make sure

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Speaker 1: that this is a confrehensive conversation that involves our listeners.

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Speaker 1: So on the other side of this break, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: hear from one of our favorite viewers, Phoebe. She's got

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Speaker 1: a question, so we'll see you on the other side.

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Speaker 9: Phoebe Smith, California. Welcome home, y'all. I love saying that

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Speaker 9: inspirational Angela that you thought about that. I loved the

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Speaker 9: last segment where y'all were talking about the poll question. Hilarious.

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Speaker 9: I was clapping my hands in laughter.

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Speaker 6: So good.

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Speaker 9: And I love how Andrew can keep his self together

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Speaker 9: and sustain himself in a room of women rolling their

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Speaker 9: eyes to the back of their head because they think

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Speaker 9: he's missing the point when he's the one who understands

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Speaker 9: the point right, which is we have to value ourselves

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Speaker 9: higher than they value us.

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Speaker 4: And that's what he was standing on. I love that

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Speaker 4: and he did it with tin toes.

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Speaker 2: Love it.

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Speaker 9: This is my question, y'all, what are the true basic

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Speaker 9: values of Republicans and why would any Republican ever think

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Speaker 9: that they are sustaining values that would support and speak

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Speaker 9: to the needs of all community members in America. What

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Speaker 9: were those values and how would they ever possibly serve

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Speaker 9: Black people? Thanks y'all, love.

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Speaker 4: The show and out so you should probably jump in

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Speaker 4: there and answer her question.

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Speaker 3: I would, first of all, Phebe, thank you and thank

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Speaker 3: you for your support and love for the show. We

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Speaker 3: love you back, welcome home.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 5: The truth is this is probably I not be rolling

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Speaker 5: my eyes and my brother, Oh.

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Speaker 3: No, I should be punching menab But I'm joking. I'm

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Speaker 3: I'm joking. But it's all love here. We're siblings. We're siblings.

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Speaker 3: It's all love. But I will say, you know what.

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Speaker 5: Welcome home y'all? Was you welcome home? The whole home

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Speaker 5: idea is you?

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Speaker 4: That is not I can't claim credit for that.

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Speaker 5: So since you love Andrew so much, Phoebe, it was

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Speaker 5: actually Andrew's welcome home y'all.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I thought it just organically kept like welcome home, y'all,

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Speaker 3: and it just stuck right we're in Atlanta. But anyway,

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Speaker 3: I don't know about you, Tiff and angel Love. Maybe

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Speaker 3: twenty years ago I could have given a more cogent

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Speaker 3: response to what Republicans stand for, even if I disagreed.

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Speaker 3: There's just none of that these days. I think, from

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Speaker 3: top to bottom, the party right now it's composed of sickophants,

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Speaker 3: and it's not just the party it is now bled

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Speaker 3: it's way and deeply ensconced itself and what was supposed

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Speaker 3: to be the justices blind right aspect of our constitution,

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Speaker 3: the judiciary, and at the highest levels this court has

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Speaker 3: been bought, paid for, and delivered by Donald Trump, the thief,

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Speaker 3: Mitch McConnell, and all of their Republican culprits in the

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Speaker 3: United States Senate who stole to US Supreme Court justice

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Speaker 3: seats and now have seated on this court six conservatives

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Speaker 3: against three constitutionalists. And I think it's a damn shame,

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Speaker 3: and I think for those of us who have been

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Speaker 3: trepidacious about this upcoming election, I don't think the stakes

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Speaker 3: can be any clearer than what they are right now.

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Speaker 3: Our freedoms, our very democracy is at stake thanks to

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Speaker 3: a court that is on the take, unethical, unconstitutional, creates

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Speaker 3: new law out of whole cloth. Thank you Katanji Brown

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Speaker 3: Jackson and Justice Sonya Soda Mayor for pointing that out

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Speaker 3: in your dissents this week. I'm aggrieved, and I hope

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Speaker 3: everybody out there feels agreed by the fact that, No,

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Speaker 3: it wasn't a great debate for Joe Biden the other day,

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Speaker 3: but y'all. One of the men on that stage at

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Speaker 3: least told the truth. The other win for ninety minutes

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Speaker 3: told straight lies period. Enough said, and if nothing else

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Speaker 3: motivates us, let the idea that Donald Trump can choose

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Speaker 3: to go after any one of us and prosecute us

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Speaker 3: and never ever have to answer for why it is

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Speaker 3: that he started a prosecution against us. And some people say, well,

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Speaker 3: you don't lose your constitutional right, you can still fight

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Speaker 3: it in court. Well, guess what, Try to remake your

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Speaker 3: life after you've been drugg through the damn gutter defending

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Speaker 3: yourself against the government of the United States of America.

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Speaker 3: Because that's the seal that the man carries by his

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Speaker 3: name when he's president. It is him the United States

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Speaker 3: government versus little old us. And there are no limits

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Speaker 3: to this dude. When he has unchecked, unfettered, unaccountable power,

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Speaker 3: He's coming for all of us, y'all. So you know what,

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden can be sleepy on some days, he can

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Speaker 3: be lame, on some days, he can be sharp and gregarious,

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Speaker 3: and I'm going on other days, I'll take him and

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Speaker 3: his administration any day over one day, one hour, one minute,

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Speaker 3: one second of Donald Trump and that White House again

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Speaker 3: being able to wreck havoc not over only our democracy,

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Speaker 3: but over any one of us that he chooses to.

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Speaker 3: The stakes are just that high this week. And petty

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Speaker 3: conversation about little stuff I don't have time for.

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Speaker 5: Anymore, you know, I think the piece about the debate,

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Speaker 5: I don't think is petty. But it just feels like

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Speaker 5: the both like on both sides, not Donald Trump both sides,

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Speaker 5: but on both sides it feels like there are two

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Speaker 5: different they're operating in two different universes. So we know,

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Speaker 5: like with Donald Trump, it's like the end of all democracy,

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Speaker 5: and on Joe Biden's side, like people who say legitimately

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Speaker 5: like we really ain't got nobody else, Like I understand

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Speaker 5: the sentiment, and also, yeah, we really ain't got nobody

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Speaker 5: else at this point, like no candidate is willing to

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Speaker 5: challenge it. But I think one of the things I

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Speaker 5: appreciated earlier, at least in our pre pro call Andrews,

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Speaker 5: you were talking about there are some solutions, there are

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Speaker 5: some things that the people could do to make sure

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Speaker 5: that we don't just stay stuck Tiff in our gloom

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Speaker 5: and doom and like just you.

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Speaker 4: Know, God, now I'm America, Like, we just don't stay there?

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Speaker 4: So what do we do to not stay there? Andrew?

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Speaker 4: You got to bring us home and welcome us home, y'all.

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Speaker 3: We got to figure this some of those thoughts. But

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Speaker 3: if I wanted to just throw it back to you

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Speaker 3: our hostel today, whether or not you had other, you know,

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Speaker 3: thoughts to offer, just on this, this this idea, I

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Speaker 3: think well.

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Speaker 4: To her question.

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Speaker 1: And I'm kind of stealing this from you, Andrew, because

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Speaker 1: you say this all the time. But we have to

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Speaker 1: stop talking about the Republican Party like it's a separate

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Speaker 1: entity from Donald Trump. There is no Republican Party. There

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Speaker 1: is only the Maga party now. And I think it's

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Speaker 1: important to address how we got here because so many

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Speaker 1: people have been given a pass, you know, like Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump just came on the scene and changed everything. That

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Speaker 1: is not true. The devil is a lie. This is

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Speaker 1: the only Republican Party we have ever known. Ronald Reagan,

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Speaker 1: George H. Bush, George HW.

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Speaker 4: Bush.

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Speaker 1: They may have been more articulate and less clumsy and

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Speaker 1: what they said, but their policies were just as damaging

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Speaker 1: and we are still They've rippled through generations and time

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Speaker 1: and destroyed generations of black and brown folks in this

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Speaker 1: country and poor white people. We've all been impacted by this.

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Speaker 1: And so even the people the never trumpers, You'll know,

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Speaker 1: a lot of these people voted just like Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: They just don't like the way he presents himself. So

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Speaker 1: you have to ask him, do you not like him

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Speaker 1: as a person or do you not like his policies?

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Speaker 1: Because the battle we've been fighting has always been on

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Speaker 1: a policy side of things, less so than the politics

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Speaker 1: side of things.

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Speaker 4: So you know, I.

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Speaker 1: Don't think the Republicans have values anymore. Their value seem

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Speaker 1: to be whatever Donald Trump's values are. And he recognized

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Speaker 1: that he could tap into a base by saying, hey,

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Speaker 1: you're losing because they're winning and they look like you

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Speaker 1: and me. And I'm here to tell y'all, we ain't winning.

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Speaker 1: We are still very much in a battle, buying battles

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Speaker 1: our grandparents fought. So I get a little frustrated with

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Speaker 1: the media trying to sanitize some people. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: see people who worked for the insurrections alongside the insurrections

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Speaker 1: taking up space on cable news panels, writing books, appearing

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Speaker 1: on Dancing with the Stars like it's all good, And

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Speaker 1: we have to remind the folks that Frankenstein's my brother

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Speaker 1: Michael Eric Dyson says frank Ztein was the doctor.

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Speaker 4: He was not the monster.

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Speaker 1: So every single person who was ever a part of

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Speaker 1: this Republican party, you are the doctor that created this

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Speaker 1: monster and now you're being cannibalized.

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Speaker 3: That's real. And angela intitive to your point around moving

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Speaker 3: forward and what folks can do, particularly around this issue

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Speaker 3: of the courts. One I just got to underscore you

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Speaker 3: can't separate the courts from the presidency. The president makes

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Speaker 3: those appointments to the federal judiciary and those are confirmed

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Speaker 3: or not by the US by the United States Senate.

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Speaker 3: So to the point of the US Senate, the president

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Speaker 3: by himself can't get the kind of sweeping change that

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Speaker 3: we want to see. It matters that we compete for

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Speaker 3: and we work for candidates who are supportive of in

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Speaker 3: the US Senate in the US Senate contests. And just

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Speaker 3: to give you some information, the last I think it's

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Speaker 3: fifteen of the last eighteen appointments to the United States

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Speaker 3: Supreme Court have been Republican appointees. Fifteen of the last

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Speaker 3: eighteen have been Republican presidential appointees that have been confirmed

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Speaker 3: to the High Court, even though Democrats, progressive, liberals, whatever

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Speaker 3: you want to call call it, represent forty million more

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Speaker 3: residents of the United States and the US Senate. So

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Speaker 3: how do we get here. We have a system that

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Speaker 3: is disproportionately disempowering states that are more diverse, states where

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Speaker 3: black folks and brown folks are living, paying their taxes

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Speaker 3: without the kind of equitable representation that we deserve and

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Speaker 3: that we need in Washington. And the fallout from that

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Speaker 3: is that they're able to make last stands like what

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Speaker 3: we've seen happen at the Supreme Court, and even worse

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Speaker 3: in other decisions because they're unchecked. Mitch mccona can still

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Speaker 3: a seat and never have to pay the consequence of

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Speaker 3: what that's like. And so let's presume we get the

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Speaker 3: White House hold the Senate and get the House Democrats.

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Speaker 3: My suggestion, and this has come forth through other people's

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Speaker 3: voices as well, need to enlarge the United States Supreme

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Speaker 3: Court to thirteen members, add four new appointments to the

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Speaker 3: Supreme Court that a Democrat Joe Biden, will appoint and

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Speaker 3: that a Democratic Senate will confirm and move forward after

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Speaker 3: they abolish the filibuster, and then they ought to incorporate

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Speaker 3: term limits for the United States Supreme Court. That way,

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Speaker 3: a Clarence Thomas and his grift and his take and

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Speaker 3: his lavish vacations and millions and millions of dollars and

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Speaker 3: gifts can't ever get so comfortable on a court without

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Speaker 3: recognizing that he's got to be accountable at the end

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Speaker 3: of the day on the other side of that term.

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Speaker 3: And guess what, even though they are lifetime appointments, it

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Speaker 3: doesn't say a lifetime appointment to the United States Supreme Court.

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Speaker 3: It is to the court. And so they can spend

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Speaker 3: eighteen years on the US Supreme Court and then go

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Speaker 3: into service under a lower federal court and continue for

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Speaker 3: the rest of their lives until their force retirement or

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Speaker 3: their voluntary retirement or demise.

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Speaker 4: This is awesome, Trew.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I was just going to say really quickly sometimes

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Speaker 5: as Typic was saying earlier, and I do think it's

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Speaker 5: important for us to always remember this because we live,

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Speaker 5: eat and breathe this that we are in the.

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Speaker 4: Weeds a lot.

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Speaker 5: Like just show how practical what you're saying is thirty

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Speaker 5: four of the United States Senates one hundred seats are

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Speaker 5: up for election this election year in November on November

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Speaker 5: twenty four, or thirty four of those seats. Two of

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Speaker 5: them are special elections, but thirty four of those seats

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Speaker 5: are up for grabs.

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Speaker 4: Most of them are Democratic seats, that's right.

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Speaker 5: So it's about preserving what is already existing. Hopefully these

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Speaker 5: folks vote in alignment with your values and also working

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Speaker 5: to fight back against Republican senators who have not represented

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Speaker 5: your best interest in values and expanding the court is

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Speaker 5: absolutely something Congress can do, and.

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Speaker 3: I just wanted to. I want to give an example,

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Speaker 3: some examples of things that can happen as a result

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Speaker 3: of us having voted, because some folks may throw up

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Speaker 3: their hands and say, all right, the Supreme Court aside it.

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Speaker 3: What are we going to do about it? What can

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Speaker 3: a new democratic president do about it? What can it

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Speaker 3: do a Democratic Congress do about it? There are a

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Speaker 3: lot of things that can be done about it, but

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Speaker 3: it can't happen unless we sweep, unless we sweek this thing,

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Speaker 3: and that requires our full put to disipation in the process.

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Speaker 3: A lot is being said about Joe Biden. Obviously it's

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Speaker 3: the top of the ticket, but I make these comments

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Speaker 3: out of a plea for folks to see that it's

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Speaker 3: not just the presidency that we've got to be concerned about.

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Speaker 3: You can't sent a president in there and then handicap

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Speaker 3: him with the left and the right hand tie behind

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Speaker 3: their back because we didn't then vote for the US

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Speaker 3: Senate and the US House. I want to just quickly

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Speaker 3: name check these states, and then I'm off West Virginia.

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Speaker 3: I don't know who all in West Virginia, but you

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Speaker 3: all have a Senate seat that is now occupied by

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Speaker 3: a Democrat that is likely going to go allegedly, well

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Speaker 3: anyway another time.

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Speaker 6: He is.

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Speaker 3: He's an independent of caucuses with the Democrats, which is

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Speaker 3: how we're still able to hold the allegedly well, he

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Speaker 3: may not vote with us all the time, but he

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Speaker 3: does caucus with with the Democrats.

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Speaker 4: Allegedly.

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Speaker 3: Okay. In Maryland, a lot of y'all are in Maryland.

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Speaker 3: We have the former governor of Maryland who is also

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Speaker 3: running and has made this now a closer contest Democrats,

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Speaker 3: black folk folk period. There. We've got to organized, organized,

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Speaker 3: organized to ensure that that seat in Maryland, that Senate

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Speaker 3: seat remains in Democratic hands.

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Speaker 4: Angela also also.

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Speaker 3: Brooks the county executive. Which county is it? County Arizona?

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Speaker 3: Current independent holds that seat, retiring caucuses of the Democrat retiring.

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Speaker 3: That seat is now open, y'all. Remember that?

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Speaker 10: Uh uh.

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Speaker 3: Wild right? Huhga, Yes, but I was trying to think

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Speaker 3: of Kerry Lake who he is running against. You remember

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Speaker 3: the wild Carry Lake who just went crazy over Trump. Well,

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Speaker 3: ran for governor of the least election Denier and is

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Speaker 3: running for the US Senate. That is a seat that

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Speaker 3: we have got to compete for. We got a whole Michigan, Michigan, Michigan, y'all.

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Speaker 3: Debbie stabbing Ow is out, she's leaving, she's retired. That

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Speaker 3: seat is an open contest. Michigan is a close state.

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Speaker 3: Pennsylvania Senator Casey is up for re elections Bob Casey

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Speaker 3: Junior in Pennsylvania another closely contested state. We got to

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Speaker 3: show up there, y'all. Wisconsin, I know we in Wisconsin,

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Speaker 3: Tammy Baldwin, incumbent Democrat, up very close race. We need

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Speaker 3: us there. Montana. I don't know who all out there, y'all,

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Speaker 3: but if you're out there, we need you to show up.

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Speaker 3: We need you to count Nevada not to be confused

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Speaker 3: with Nevada. There is a competitive US Senate seat organized

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Speaker 3: get connected, plug in there, and then last and certainly

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Speaker 3: not least Ohio Share It Brown sitting incumbent. But Ohio

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Speaker 3: is the state the Democrats in the presidential column lost

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Speaker 3: by double digits. We have got to, got to got

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Speaker 3: to hold that seat for a Senator Shared Brown, who

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Speaker 3: for some reason, strange reason, is an alien there because

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Speaker 3: he has been able to win reelection even when his

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Speaker 3: state has gone wildly for Donald Trump and presidential contest.

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Speaker 3: Those are the states that are are are seemingly most

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Speaker 3: consequential to Democrats holding onto the US Senate. Y'all, I

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Speaker 3: hope you'll plug in, and we'll plug in our in

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Speaker 3: our analysis of this episode. Some sites that you can

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Speaker 3: visit three sixty five, five thirty eight Cook Political Report.

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Speaker 3: There are a number of others that you can visit

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Speaker 3: and learn which seats in the House as well as

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Speaker 3: in the Senate are competitive that you can plug in

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Speaker 3: to help out.

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Speaker 5: If I could just say really quickly, right now, the

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Speaker 5: House Republicans have a very very very slim majority to

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Speaker 5: nineteen to Democrats two thirteen, and there's a vac there

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Speaker 5: are vacancy possible.

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Speaker 4: Possible to flips.

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Speaker 5: Of course, four hundred and thirty five total voting members.

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Speaker 5: If the House flips, it is likely that Hakim Jeffries

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Speaker 5: would become speaker. So again, this is all about turnout,

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Speaker 5: and it's about turnout down ballot. We often talk about voting,

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Speaker 5: but we don't always talk about voting in off your elections.

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Speaker 5: It matters during midterms, it matters during presidentials, and it

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Speaker 5: matters not to just fill in that circle on that

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Speaker 5: top of that ballot. It matters to go all the

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Speaker 5: way down ballot for initiatives in your community. Council members, mayors,

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Speaker 5: county commissioners. Andrew was both a county commissioner and he

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Speaker 5: was a mayor, and he should have been governor. I

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Speaker 5: maintained that we'll talk about that on another bitty pot

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Speaker 5: when we're ready. But I think that what we need

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Speaker 5: to understand and there's is there so much at stake.

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Speaker 5: I'm talking through what should be a break, and so

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Speaker 5: we shall toss to this break.

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Speaker 1: We gotta pay some bills. But on the other side

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Speaker 1: of this break, we're bringing you back into the conversation.

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Speaker 1: We have another viewer question, and this time we're hearing

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Speaker 1: from Breonte, so don't go anywhere. We'll see you on

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Speaker 1: the other side.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome.

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Speaker 10: Hey, good day Native Land family. Hey, I got a

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Speaker 10: quick question for y'all. You know names Breontam from Texas

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Speaker 10: in Dallas texts to be specific. Uh, but my question

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Speaker 10: for y'all is, you know, last night, you know, we

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Speaker 10: watched Jamaal Bowman taking al last night in New York

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Speaker 10: and it's really frustrating to watch because Jamal Bowman, you know,

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Speaker 10: he represents the best of us.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 10: He represents everything that needs to be in DC fight

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Speaker 10: for changes that we want to see. My question is,

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Speaker 10: what is it that we need to be doing as

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Speaker 10: black people. Rather it's contributing our dollars or putting our

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Speaker 10: attention towards, what do we need to be doing to

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Speaker 10: make sure we're protecting representatives or senators or whoever. Politicians

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Speaker 10: that are like jamalro Bowman, that are there fighting so

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Speaker 10: they won't fill alone. So when they do have these challenges,

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Speaker 10: these primary primary challengers, but they're able to with stand

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Speaker 10: against all the money that's being thrown black folks.

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Speaker 6: We have some.

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Speaker 10: Of the highest spending power in the world, but we

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Speaker 10: don't seem to have a collective situation to when it

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Speaker 10: comes to making sure our dollars come together. So what

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Speaker 10: is it that we can be doing or building to

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Speaker 10: make sure we're getting to that point to where you know,

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Speaker 10: Apek was funded well funded by Jewish and others.

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Speaker 3: What can we do to get to that point?

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 10: Appreciate y'all, thanks for taking a question. Also a little

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Speaker 10: man back. Yeah, thanks y'all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, came over from the Baby. I love it, and

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Speaker 1: I love that question. I think it's such a good

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Speaker 1: question because so many people. I think when we present

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Speaker 1: information sometimes people can feel blanketed. They don't you know

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Speaker 1: fully I know I feel that way. I don't fully

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Speaker 1: grasp you know, all these acronyms and inside baseball talk,

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Speaker 1: and so you can feel just like, if I'm being

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Speaker 1: asked to care about everything, it's easy to care about nothing.

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Speaker 4: So I really appreciate that question.

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Speaker 1: And I'm stealing this from Angela when we were in

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Speaker 1: Miami at our first stop on our Native Land tour

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Speaker 1: and we were talking about being tired, and Angela, you

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Speaker 1: made the point like if you're sitting next to someone like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're all tired, but maybe someone else isn't tired in

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Speaker 1: the same way. You know, maybe you're tired of hearing information,

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Speaker 1: maybe you're tired of canvas and whatever that is. So

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Speaker 1: I would say every little bit helps. If everyone does

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Speaker 1: a little, no one has to do a lot. If

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Speaker 1: you have the financial resources, fund a candidate that speaks

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Speaker 1: to your interests, your issues. If you don't have the

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Speaker 1: financial resources, show up. There's always bodies need a canvas.

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Speaker 1: You can knock door to door. If you don't have

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Speaker 1: financial resources and you don't have time capacity learn, be informed,

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Speaker 1: share responsibly. You can post something on social media from

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Speaker 1: a reputable source that you have personally looked at and

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Speaker 1: you understand this information to be true and it's verified.

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Speaker 1: Be sure that you're sharing responsibly. Vote obviously, we always

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Speaker 1: say that, but show up on election day and make

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Speaker 1: your voice heard, and not just during presidential election years.

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Speaker 1: And I will be honest, I have challenges to votevoing

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Speaker 1: in some of those off year elections where it might

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Speaker 1: just be a ballid initiative that accounts or a special election.

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Speaker 4: But those are all.

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Speaker 1: Just some basic things that you can do. And I'm

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Speaker 1: sure my co hosts have thoughts I haven't even thought of.

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Speaker 3: I just want to plug collective Pack as an avenue

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Speaker 3: of concentrating our giving power, multiplying our giving power so

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Speaker 3: that resources can go to progressive black and brown candidates,

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Speaker 3: or in the case of Collective you know, concentrating on

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Speaker 3: black candidates who are running particularly for these higher offices

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Speaker 3: that people never give a shot to, but because they

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Speaker 3: can come in with real resources, our collective resources, it

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Speaker 3: can make a real big difference. So look them up.

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Speaker 3: Collective Pack.

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Speaker 1: Oh, just to clarify for the listeners really quickly, Collective

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Speaker 1: pack pack as a political action committee. Collective Pack is

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Speaker 1: something that's run by a husband and wife couple, Stephanie

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Speaker 1: Brown James and Clinton James, and they raise money for

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Speaker 1: candidates running.

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Speaker 4: At the federal level.

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Speaker 1: I'd imagine they're probably similar organizations for people running at

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Speaker 1: the state and low And if there isn't something like

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Speaker 1: this that exists at the state and local level in

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Speaker 1: your area, then be that started. You know, make sure

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Speaker 1: you look up those campaign finance laws. But if you

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Speaker 1: don't see what you need, then created sorry.

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Speaker 3: Support at this by the way they do for correct

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Speaker 3: and its Collective pack dot org. I'm sorry. I had

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Speaker 3: to look it up real quick collective.

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Speaker 5: And there are some additional packs as well. Of course,

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Speaker 5: shout out to Quentin and Stephanie, we see we love y'all, like,

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Speaker 5: thank you for the work that you do every single day.

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Speaker 5: There's also Higher Heights, there's Black pack, and then the

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Speaker 5: CBC pack, which just so you all know, I do

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Speaker 5: sit on that board. I want to just acknowledge some

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Speaker 5: of the other pieces that Brionte raised in his question.

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Speaker 5: So one of the things that I heard in Brionta's

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Speaker 5: question is something that we didn't get to and we

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Speaker 5: talked about Jamal Bowman last week. Sometimes what we have

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Speaker 5: to know it and I'm so glad that he talked

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Speaker 5: about with black folks can do with our dollars, how

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Speaker 5: we can support our candidates. We talked about some of

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Speaker 5: those packs, and I'm thanking him for thrusting us right

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Speaker 5: into the heart of our calls to action for this week.

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Speaker 5: But I was really frustrated by the need for Hillary

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Speaker 5: Clinton to get involved with this primary contest. You will

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Speaker 5: see overwhelmingly a number of packs, including where there are

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Speaker 5: incumbents involved.

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Speaker 4: The CBC, even.

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Speaker 5: When there is a black primary challenger, will often not

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Speaker 5: get involved when the incumbent is one of their housemates,

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Speaker 5: it's somebody that is one of their colleagues.

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Speaker 4: And so even though Hillary Clinton did.

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Speaker 5: Not serve with Jamal Bowman, I am hard pressed to

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Speaker 5: understand why she felt the need to engage in this

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Speaker 5: race when there are the Joe Manchins of the world,

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Speaker 5: when there are the Curesten Cinemas of the world, and

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Speaker 5: I have not heard her say anything about challenging them,

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Speaker 5: or of course Cinema's out now, but I haven't heard

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Speaker 5: the need for them to push back on these folks,

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Speaker 5: and that rhetoric is one single issue so important for

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Speaker 5: you to undermine history. Right, this is a black member

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Speaker 5: that may get that got the CBC over fifty to

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Speaker 5: sixty members when we are finally seeing representation. The same

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Speaker 5: CBC that ensured that you had an opportunity right had

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Speaker 5: a credible run in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 4: So it is beyond me that she would get involved.

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Speaker 5: And I think that my call to action here would

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Speaker 5: be that we always remember that our actions don't always align.

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Speaker 4: Just because we.

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Speaker 5: May align in how we vote or what policy priorities

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Speaker 5: we have based on party, sometimes our interests collide and

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Speaker 5: it is okay for us to represent and protect our

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Speaker 5: interests even when they are not aligned with people who

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Speaker 5: we may look up to, with people who we may

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Speaker 5: have supported, with people who we may have ended, and

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Speaker 5: with folks we may have even donated to. I also

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Speaker 5: don't think it is it is it is it is

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Speaker 5: unnecessary for us to remind them of where their loyalties

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Speaker 5: should and must lie when we did stand with them

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Speaker 5: when we didn't have to. And I think that that

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Speaker 5: will be how we get to the other side of

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Speaker 5: recognizing and harnessing our collective black political power.

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Speaker 1: I feel like we've given some calls to action, but

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Speaker 1: we it's that time and the show where we give

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Speaker 1: calls to action. So you guys want to go first

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Speaker 1: and give one or you feel like you already gave yours.

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Speaker 3: I know this was a dense that was mine.

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Speaker 4: Brionta thrusted me into mind. I'm good, Okay, A.

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Speaker 3: More dense and substantive uh you know, pod And sometimes

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Speaker 3: these things can be heavy. But I trust your intelligence.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to underestimate based off the questions that

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Speaker 3: you all asked, the way the various specifics that you

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Speaker 3: already know, you've picked up, you've read, you've looked at

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Speaker 3: that this isn't too heavy for any one of us

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Speaker 3: to carry our own respective pieces. And so I'll just

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Speaker 3: you know, just my ass would be. While it feels

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Speaker 3: like sometimes like we're breathing down of fire hose, please

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Speaker 3: resist the urge to check out, to tune out, to

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Speaker 3: turn the page. In fact, I think oftentimes people in

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Speaker 3: higher office and power and positions of influence, they want

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Speaker 3: you to check out. They want to say this is

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Speaker 3: too hard, They want you to feel like you don't

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Speaker 3: have the brain capacity to take it all in. I

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Speaker 3: know different, I trust different, I believe different, and so

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Speaker 3: I'm never gonna I'm never gonna talk down to you

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Speaker 3: and talk at you and with you in conversation and

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Speaker 3: the way that I would anyone else who I believe

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Speaker 3: to be interested in these kinds of subjects. And just

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Speaker 3: thank you for your support of Native Land and allow

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Speaker 3: us to hopefully bring you yes some fun as then

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Speaker 3: as we can, but also as much as we can

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Speaker 3: the real the substance.

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Speaker 1: All right, thank you guys for tuning in. Before we

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Speaker 1: end the show, I want to let you all know

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