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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge podcast presented by a Draftking. So

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Speaker 1: I'm Garrett Downing Today I'm joined by Clifton Brown. The

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Speaker 1: NFL trade deadline has come and gone, and the Ravens

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Speaker 1: did make a move. They acquired cornerback tra Davious White

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Speaker 1: from the Los Angeles Rams. So Clifton and I are

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Speaker 1: going to share our thoughts on this move and break

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Speaker 1: down the overall trade deadline for the Ravens and the

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Speaker 1: approach that they took. Also, on the back half of

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Speaker 1: this podcast, we actually sat down with Ravens legend Brandon Williams,

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Speaker 1: who announced today that he's officially retiring. He retired as

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Speaker 1: a Raven, came back here. It was great to sit

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Speaker 1: down with Brandon and talk with him, talk about his career,

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Speaker 1: some great memories, get some good stories from him. So

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Speaker 1: that'll be on the back end of this conversation for

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Speaker 1: the audio version, and if you want to watch that

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Speaker 1: version with Brandon, we have that posted for you on

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Speaker 1: our app, our website, and our YouTube channel, so you

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Speaker 1: can watch that as well. Coming out. So anyway, in

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Speaker 1: terms of the trade deadline, the Ravens at Tredevius White,

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Speaker 1: it's a pick swap They basically just swap twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: not giving up much though to get him here. What

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Speaker 1: is your take on the move in the acquisition of White.

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Speaker 2: He's a guy who's been an All Pro you know,

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Speaker 2: earlier in his career, and at a position it's very

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Speaker 2: valuable for Raven's defense that you know has definitely in

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Speaker 2: the secondary. Hasn't played as well as I anticipated, so

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Speaker 2: you know, we'll see how much today's White can help.

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Speaker 2: He played four games for the Rams this year, hasn't

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Speaker 2: been playing recently, suffering a killes last year. He comes

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Speaker 2: and that he doesn't have to get in there and

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Speaker 2: play right away while he learns a new system and

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Speaker 2: maybe even gets healthier off of that injury later in

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Speaker 2: the season. It obviously adds more depth to that position

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Speaker 2: if he has to step in and play. You're talking

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Speaker 2: of the best corners in the league, who they got

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Speaker 2: for very minimal price. So it's not, you know, a

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Speaker 2: headlines around the league Tomorrow's as far as one of

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Speaker 2: the big, you know acquisitions before a team like the

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Speaker 2: provides depth, impossible you know, immediate help or later on

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Speaker 1: I think basically this is an addition for the stretch

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Speaker 1: right thirty second league and past defense and secondary has

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Speaker 1: not been very good this year. I think that they

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Speaker 1: have good players, and I think that they I think

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Speaker 1: that that will improve. But you want to have like

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Speaker 1: how many times Ozzie used to say it, and it

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Speaker 1: still rings true, you need to have good cornerback and

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Speaker 1: you have have enough corner if that's Ozzi's thing, you

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Speaker 1: can never have too many corners. And I think that

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Speaker 1: that's true. And so what kind of role does Tredevious

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Speaker 1: completely pleased with the way the secondary's playing, he gives

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Speaker 1: a former Pro Bowl player. Now he's dealt with injuries.

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Speaker 1: That's been the challenge for him. Had an achilles last year.

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Speaker 2: Right and he doesn't have to play one hundred percent

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Speaker 2: guys usually don't come along being available unless they've suffered

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Speaker 2: they can no longer play to that level, which you

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Speaker 2: know may be the case. But here he'll get a

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Speaker 3: So we'll see.

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Speaker 2: It'll be interesting to see how he fits in once

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Speaker 1: The other thing too, on the on his injury. He

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Speaker 1: he's had time to get healthier. Maybe earlier this year,

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Speaker 1: this pass rusher. And there was not a blockbuster trade

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Speaker 2: Right, I mean, the Ravens, whether they made a trade

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Speaker 2: It doesn't mean you don't look to improve. The Ravens

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Speaker 2: always do look to improve. Obviously they were out there,

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Speaker 2: still six and three, So the Ravens now the trade

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Speaker 2: deadline's over. There's still a Super Bowl contender. There are

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Speaker 2: And you never want to be in that position when

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Speaker 2: no reason if you're a Ravens fan to think that,

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Speaker 2: you know, this team missed out on opportunity to play

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like some of the names of people Ravens fans

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Speaker 3: All right, then, well, I'm officially announcing my retirement after

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Speaker 1: Well, congratulations, I mean, you've had a great career nine

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Speaker 3: It means everything. I mean, I've been thinking about it

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Speaker 3: So I just call the Ravens and it's like, I

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Speaker 1: That's cool. What does that mean to you? To be

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Speaker 3: It's just it's always been in me, you know, even

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Speaker 2: Brandon, you a guy to me who kind of personified

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Speaker 3: Well, it's always been in me. I think Baltimore definitely

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Speaker 3: I think it's all I had to do it authenticity,

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Speaker 1: That was so good.

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Speaker 2: Man. You played a position where you get hit every play,

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Speaker 3: obviously small school guy, and and just toughness, just being

436
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,160
Speaker 3: able to go out there and just play through anything.

437
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,119
Speaker 3: I felt like, you know, you guys just give me

438
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 3: so much, so why not give everything I got as well?

439
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,120
Speaker 3: You know, whether I'm hurt sore. I mean, there's people

440
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,720
Speaker 3: out there, and I always think about, you know, practices

441
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,600
Speaker 3: when I see O. J. Walker, you know, rolling out,

442
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,240
Speaker 3: and I'm like, he can't but you know I can,

443
00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,720
Speaker 3: And I'm griping because of something you know I can do,

444
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:25,760
Speaker 3: but I just don't feel like it. And he really

445
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 3: would love to be out here. So every time I

446
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 3: saw him, I was just give it, you know, everything

447
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Speaker 3: I had.

448
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Speaker 1: You mentioned being a small school guy, you really defied

449
00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,320
Speaker 1: the odds just I mean, even getting to the NFL

450
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Speaker 1: and then playing as long as you did, did you

451
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Speaker 1: think like that you when you got drafted Missouri Southern, Right,

452
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,159
Speaker 1: Missouri Southern. Okay, like you get drafted out of Missouri Southern,

453
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Speaker 1: did you think that you had a real chance of

454
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Speaker 1: being a guy the lasted a decade in the NFL

455
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 1: coming out of a small school like that.

456
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Speaker 3: I wanted to. I mean I actually a draft night,

457
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 3: I prayed for that, you know, ten years in the

458
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 3: league and all that stuff like that, and and I

459
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,200
Speaker 3: want it to be you know, I was honored that

460
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 3: iconic defense even looked at a guy like me, and

461
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 3: the fact that I was going to be with you know,

462
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 3: Helloiti and all these you know, great players. Also, they

463
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 3: gave me the number ninety eight, and I knew who

464
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 3: wore that before me. So I wanted to make it,

465
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:15,879
Speaker 3: you know, make it proud, make it known, make it

466
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Speaker 3: you know, still relevant.

467
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Speaker 1: I remember your first day here, and you came in

468
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Speaker 1: in a full suit, your very first day rookie report day,

469
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Speaker 1: in a full suit, and it stood out to me.

470
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Speaker 1: You know, a lot of guys come in in sweats right,

471
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 1: and like you came in in a full suit, and

472
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 1: it just felt like you, from the time you got

473
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,479
Speaker 1: drafted wanted to make a strong first impression and then

474
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 1: you carried that with you throughout your career. What do

475
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Speaker 1: you remember about that first day?

476
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Speaker 3: Just I was wide eyed and bushy tail, just you know,

477
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 3: excited to see everything. But at the same time, I

478
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 3: had to earn my sweatsuit rights. I felt like, you know,

479
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 3: it was business as usual, you know, going to work,

480
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 3: you know, showing up, always had to you know, present

481
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 3: yourself well. So I just what I wanted to do

482
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 3: when I first got here. And then now he'm the sweat.

483
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 1: So you earned your sweatsuit rights exactly.

484
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,479
Speaker 3: Exactly when you first came here.

485
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Speaker 2: Obviously, after a couple of years it was clear you

486
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 2: were going to be a mainstam of defense. But you

487
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 2: did sign a contract to your second contract, and I

488
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 2: was being where, you know, it got kind of dice

489
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 2: as far as maybe you were going to go somewhere else.

490
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Speaker 1: You didn't know what was going to take me back to.

491
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Speaker 2: That and how glad are you that you were able

492
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Speaker 2: to re sign with the Ravens and then play, you know,

493
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Speaker 2: more years here in Baltimore.

494
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, during that time, it was it was one

495
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 3: of those things where people are getting money, and people

496
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 3: are getting money over here and then elsewhere. So I'm like,

497
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 3: you know, why why not try to market I mean,

498
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 3: at the same time, you know, you hear about the

499
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 3: hometown discounting all that stuff, and that's when I said, well,

500
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 3: I'm from Saint Louis, so I'm not from both. But

501
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 3: at the same time, you know, after they you know,

502
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 3: finally got everything worked out, I was happy. I was

503
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Speaker 3: glad not to leave. I was, you know, really you know,

504
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 3: ready to give even more so.

505
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Speaker 1: So you did win a Super Bowl. It was with

506
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs in twenty twenty two. It was weird, right,

507
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Speaker 1: tell me, it was weird.

508
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 3: It was weird. It was nice. I loved it, thank you,

509
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 3: But it was weird just because you know how it happened,

510
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 3: you know, got their mid season, didn't really have the

511
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 3: time in with the guys and training camp and all

512
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 3: that stuff, and just kind of just getting thrown in

513
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 3: there for the first week, you know, first game Denver.

514
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 3: So breathing hard, you know, hurt myself. But other than that,

515
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 3: I mean, it was definitely weird. But at the same time,

516
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 3: it was it was a blessing.

517
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Speaker 1: That's awesome.

518
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 2: Sure, that was That was a memorable moment. What are

519
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 2: some of your most memorable game moments, you know with

520
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 2: the Raves, anything that pops in your mind, Like, there

521
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 2: were so many games you played.

522
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 3: One of the biggest ones the guy who running the

523
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 3: ball now when we played against the Titans.

524
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: Oh no, yeah, that was rough.

525
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, And it was like third and short. I

526
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 3: could tell the guard was about to come down on

527
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,400
Speaker 3: me hard, and I swiped him and then and went

528
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 3: straight to him and just folded them. Yeah, I remember, Yeah,

529
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,959
Speaker 3: that was iconic for me. But then also the biggest

530
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 3: one is obviously getting Roethlisberger for the first time, you know,

531
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,919
Speaker 3: being a Raven you know, knowing the knowing the rivalry

532
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 3: between the Steelers and it being an electric atmosphere, just

533
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 3: loving it.

534
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: You talk about bringing down Derrick Kennery in the backfield,

535
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: How hard does that do to tackle? Like you've actually

536
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: done it. How hard is he to bring down?

537
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 3: I mean for others it may be tough, but for

538
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 3: me it was you know, it was business as usual. Yeah.

539
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't care what name you got in

540
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 3: your back or what help me you got on. If

541
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 3: it's my job to take you down, that's what's gonna happen.

542
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

543
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,120
Speaker 2: Do you watch this Ravens team right now, what they're

544
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 2: doing now? Just you know, now it's sitting back, you know,

545
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 2: not playing. Tell me about how you're connected with the

546
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 2: team now.

547
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 3: Well, for a while it was it was rough watching

548
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 3: football because all I could do is just critique, critique, critique.

549
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 3: But at the same time, like I saw the last

550
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 3: Bengals game and saw how they were doing so how

551
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 3: they were running so aw, the D line was doing

552
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 3: and I was pleased. I was happy. I jack actually

553
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 3: got to sit and enjoy a game instead of like,

554
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 3: this guy's not doing this, this guy's not doing that.

555
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 3: All right, there's work out there still, like you know

556
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. But at the same time, I'm proud

557
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 3: of what they're doing, proud of who they're becoming, and

558
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 3: you know, definitely want to see them get on the role.

559
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: So it was kind of hard to watch for a

560
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 1: little bit.

561
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:18,479
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, definitely.

562
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 1: I feel like because you did you miss it? Was

563
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: that part of it or like what was it made of?

564
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 3: I think it's a little bit both. Also, at the

565
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 3: same time, I didn't really grow up watching football as

566
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 3: a basketball player, and you know, I did three sports

567
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 3: in high school, football, basketball, you know, track and field,

568
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 3: So it was just never really a thing. And then

569
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 3: when I started, you know, actually playing football, I started

570
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 3: watching it and work. So then when I always looked

571
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 3: at football, it was like work. So I just I

572
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 3: don't know, And plus I just missed it, so I

573
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 3: couldn't watch it that much.

574
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Speaker 1: Yeah, your story, you know, you think about I'm sure

575
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: on a day like today where you're calling it a career,

576
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 1: you think about the whole journey to get to this point,

577
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: and you your stories is well documented and for viewers

578
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 1: or her listeners who don't remember elements of it, Like you.

579
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: We mentioned the small school thing. When you got drafted.

580
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: There was all this talk about your job in college

581
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 1: where you were, you know, moving porter potties around and

582
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: you could throw a port I mean this it was

583
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: like a legendary story. It was like Brandon with throw

584
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: three porter potties on his back and you know, they

585
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: just kept growing over time, throw them in the back

586
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: of a truck. When you think about all of that

587
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: kind of leading to this moment, what does that story

588
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,719
Speaker 1: say about you and who you are and the significance

589
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: of this day.

590
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 3: Just an overcomer, you know, after literally you say the

591
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 3: story about the port poss after all the craft that's

592
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 3: been thrown at me, after literally moving and removing people's crap,

593
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 3: just being able to keep my wits about myself, keep

594
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 3: my mind about myself and keep on going for I

595
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 3: wanted that's awesome.

596
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: What's next for you? I mean, you look good. I

597
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: know you look you look dropped a bunch of weight.

598
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 3: Man, Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Yeah, after after Goose's passed away,

599
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 3: it definitely hit me. You know, we played the same

600
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 3: position and all that stuff, and I just knew as

601
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 3: soon as I got done, I had to lose the weight.

602
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,479
Speaker 1: Well, Marsha Yanda did the same thing, you know when

603
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: he when he retired. You feel good?

604
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel great, feel good, feel needs, feel great.

605
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 3: And I'm still running around my kids beating them in

606
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 3: foot races. I can't complain at all.

607
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: Awesome man. Well, congratulations, so it's so good to connect

608
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: with you and enjoy this day. Brandon's going to be

609
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,239
Speaker 1: at the game Thursday night, as you know, he's going

610
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,719
Speaker 1: to be there, so we're excited for that moment. It's

611
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: going to be an awesome game against the Bengals, and

612
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: I know you're going to get that place fired up.

613
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:29,959
Speaker 1: So thank you so much for being here.

614
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 3: Graduation, run out that tunnel again. It's gonna be awesome.

615
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: Awesome man, Thank you appreciate it.

616
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 2: Thank you