1 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: Ron An Aian. We took the heater hoses out because 2 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: the heater hoses run over the top of the exhaust 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: a mount offold, because that's where I put rubber hoses, 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: because you know what effect could he have on rubber 5 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: like that? 6 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 2: There's a motive on. 7 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: Head on the highway. The car Doctor, what happens when 8 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: the transmission fails? Is it just not going to a 9 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: certain gear or does it stop? Is the car sitting 10 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,319 Speaker 1: in the garage now I don't have. 11 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 3: A garage, It's sitting on my parking catna. 12 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: Okay, so the car will move at the same speed 13 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 1: it's moving now, meaning zero. 14 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 2: Welcome to the radio home of ron Anian the Car Doctor. 15 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: Since nineteen ninety one. 16 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 2: This is where car owners the world overturned to for 17 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 2: their definitive opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics giving 18 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 2: you a busy signal, pick up the phone and call in. 19 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: The garage doors are open, but I am here to 20 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: take your calls. At eighty five ninety nine hundred and now. 21 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:05,759 Speaker 2: Running. 22 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: I want to tell you about the abs cars we 23 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: had this week at the shop. Hello, thanks for us 24 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: stopping by today, ron Inie, and at your service. You know, 25 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: it's funny how things come in threes. That it didn't 26 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: come in threes, it came in twos this week. So 27 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 1: maybe I'll get the third ABS car this week coming 28 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, check back next week. I'll 29 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 1: tell you that story if it does show up. But 30 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: it's it's funny how things happen, and they're different, but 31 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: they're the same. A twenty ten fod Escape one of 32 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: the old square bodies that I personally think is a 33 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: great vehicle. I've seen them go high mileage. Tom My 34 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: Engineer had one. It went a million miles. I'm getting 35 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 1: the thumbs up from Tom right now. Just a you know, 36 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: real solid vehicle, very underrated, very underappreciated. I think it 37 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: was one of the better vehicles for it produced in 38 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: the last fifteen years. And it came in with the 39 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: customer complaint of engine stolen when I step on the brake. 40 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: That's the way the note was written. So okay, you know, 41 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: I wrote the ticket some diagnostic time, evaluation time right 42 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: to come to a diagnostic conclusion, and it fell in 43 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:14,239 Speaker 1: my rack. I did my thing. I couldn't duplicate a 44 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: stall no matter what I did, it just it wouldn't 45 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: respond the way the customer described. So I went through 46 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: and I did a couple of things. I you know, 47 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: I went through my high level indicators. I looked at MAP, 48 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: I looked at barrow, I looked at throttle angle. You know, 49 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: I wanted to verify they were good. I looked at 50 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: my mass airflow grams at IDOL based on engine size. 51 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: It was around three point two grams. Okay, it's a 52 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:41,519 Speaker 1: three leader. We're good. Couldn't get a stall condition, no bulletins, 53 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: nothing obvious. Let me call the customer up. Talked to 54 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: the customer, and Doug went on to explain, well, he 55 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: really didn't explain because he couldn't tell me exactly what 56 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: was going on. 57 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 2: It was. 58 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: It was sort of and I know Doug a long time, 59 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: he's a real long term customer, and he was having 60 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: a hard problem at time explaining it now. The only 61 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: thing I experienced, and I didn't tell him this at 62 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: first when I called and I later confided in him, 63 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: was that on the road test, I noticed that under 64 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 1: the right condition, pulling away from a stop sign making 65 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: a turn, something at a slower speed as I tried 66 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: to accelerate. Every once in a while, the ABS would 67 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: kick on and it would do this weird thing where 68 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: it felt like the back end of the car was dragging, 69 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: and you know, almost like the all wheel drive system 70 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: couldn't figure out where am I? What am I doing? 71 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: What am I trying to do? What am I trying 72 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: to activate? A code scan came up with a couple 73 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: of fault to odds and ends things I would normally 74 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: expect almost a fifteen year old vehicle, But the one 75 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: that caught my eye was the one for the right 76 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: rear wheel speed sensor circuit. It said right rear wheel 77 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: speed sensor low performance, right rear wheel speed circuit It 78 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: zero output. Well that's kind of interesting. It's not a 79 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: stall condition. It's nothing that you know, I would look 80 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: for for a stall. So maybe I'm not looking for 81 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: a stall. And when I explained all this to Dougie said, well, yeah, 82 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: the ABS light does come on. Aha, I'm getting somewhere, 83 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 1: and it does feel like the back of the truck 84 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 1: is dragging, and in my mind it feels like it's stalling. 85 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: I said, well, does the rpm ever dip down below 86 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 1: six hundred rpm? Well no, I said, so what makes 87 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: you think it's stolen? Well, it feels that way. You 88 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 1: know what I always tell you, guys, you got to 89 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: stop feeling yourself, right, You've got to stop it feels 90 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: this way. And I'm guilty of it, right, I'll say, Hey, 91 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: it feels like this, it feels like that. I guess 92 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 1: it's a human emotion. It's a figure of speech. I said, 93 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: let me diagnose the ABS problem. Let me attack it 94 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: from that angle, all right. In twenty ten model year, 95 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: they had the ability to shut down the all wheel 96 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: drive based on whether or not they were getting accurate 97 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: signal from the ABS sensor. And I proved it because 98 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: I graphed the four sensors. I brought them up on 99 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: one of my scan tools and I looked at it 100 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: and you could see zero output from the right rear. Well, 101 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: that's surely not a good sign. I looked at it. 102 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: I inspected, this is an old tooth style, you know, 103 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: it's got the looks like the top of a castle, 104 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: the notched tooth wheel attached to the axle, you know, 105 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: sort of like an AC pickup coil, And it generates 106 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: a signal based on that. In the computer response to that, well, 107 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: it had good tone ring, there was no cracks there 108 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: was no rust, there was no physical damage. I owned it. 109 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of owning ABS sensors. I've been 110 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 1: led down the path, but you know, I'll do it. 111 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: It's a good first step. And the right side ABS 112 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: sensor owned about twelve thousand meg omes. It was way 113 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: up there. I don't know, is that good as that bit? 114 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 4: I don't know. 115 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: I don't have a spec but I do have a 116 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: sensor on the other side. I went around to the 117 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: left rear. I own that three meg omes. Well, guess 118 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: what the right side is four times what the left 119 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: side is. The right side's got to be bad or 120 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: it's one of them is bad. I'll bet on the 121 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: right side. That's the one. I saw a zero output 122 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: signal from change the ABS sensor in the right rear, 123 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: which is a story onto itself. It's amazing how much 124 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: a vehicle can rust in fourteen almost fifteen years, and 125 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: that plastic sensor just didn't want to leave that cast 126 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: iron hub. And I sat there thinking to myself, boy, 127 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: we should use a different metal than cast iron. It's 128 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: got to be easier, quicker, and better. What do you hear? 129 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 1: Part two of this story? So long story short change 130 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: the sensor. We're good signals back, we're down the road, 131 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: I adamantly told Doug, but we're hanging exhaust on this 132 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 1: car because it's almost as loud as the hot rod, 133 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 1: although it's not as cool and you need exhaust or 134 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 1: pretty soon the guy behind you the next time you're 135 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: out driving is going to find your exhaust system and 136 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,799 Speaker 1: his grill when it falls off the car. End the story. 137 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: That car's fixed the next day, Tuesday. This must have 138 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: been I got into the twenty eighteen Honda CRV. Honda's 139 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: got some really funky things going on with their antalog 140 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: break if you're driving a late model Honda, particularly the crvs. 141 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: This is the fourth one I've seen now in recent memory, 142 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: with the same ABS problem that's becoming a pattern failure. 143 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: And in this case it's said, oh, you know, I'll 144 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: tell you what when you scan. It's funny, right. I 145 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,119 Speaker 1: did a complete system scan on the Ford the twenty 146 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: ten escape. You know. It scanned every module in the car, 147 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: and I was done in oh two minutes. I plugged 148 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: into the Honda and shows you how far technology went 149 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: in eight years. Okay, the number of computers, the number 150 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: of modules on these vehicles, where the Ford escape was 151 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: two minutes. I think I got up, made myself a 152 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: cup of tea, came back. It was still scanning. I 153 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: think I went to the little boys room, washed my 154 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: hands and something else, and came back and somewhere around 155 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: four and a half minutes later, I now had every 156 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: code in that vehicle. It was more than double the 157 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: amount of time, which is crazy, but there it was. 158 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: There was something on the order of a total of 159 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: forty four fault codes in this vehicle, and most of 160 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: them were the same, Most of them were repetitive. Every 161 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: safety system on this vehicle was shut down. Vehicle stability control, 162 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: the ADS system, anything to do with blind spot mirrors, 163 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: anything to do with backup, anything to do anything to 164 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: do with safety was disabled. The one recurring code that 165 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: came up in most of the modules was one that 166 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: cited a fault in the left rear wheel speed sensor. 167 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: It said high frequency implausible data received now in twenty eighteen, 168 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: just eight years after that four to a gape. The 169 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: FOURD escape ran a AC style pickup coiled you know, 170 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: toothed wheel on the axle that you could see type 171 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: of ABS sensor the Honda. The sensor went straight into 172 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: the aluminum hub. But I was like, oh, good, an 173 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: aluminum hub. This will be easier to get the sensor 174 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: out of in case it's broken. And you couldn't see 175 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: the tip. It was a magnetic impulse and coder where 176 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: it sat against the magnet that was built into the 177 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: back of the wheel bearing on that side. That's that 178 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: gave it a pulse as the magnetic field built and collapsed. 179 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: You know it's a wheel speed sensor. Guys, We're not 180 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: trying to rebuild the shuttle, so you know it needed 181 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: a wheel speed sensor. What else am I going to 182 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: tell you? It came down to that, and I was 183 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: able to catch it on scan tool. You know this one. 184 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: This one came up with a question mark. It became 185 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: obvious because I would got down to my diagnosis clearing codes. 186 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: I couldn't replicate it. It was intermittent, but I would sit 187 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: there and start the vehicle up without moving the vehicle, 188 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: and that's when my code came back and every fault 189 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: would light up, and I said, well, this is a 190 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: circuit performance test fault. The computer is not looking for 191 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: speed signal, it's not seeing integrity in the circuit. The 192 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: wheel speed sensors have a real high rate of failure, 193 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: the wheel speed sensors. It's one hundred bucks. I got 194 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,719 Speaker 1: it into the eighty percent tile. I could have swapped 195 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: the right rear signal to the left by running some 196 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: jumper wires and back and forth. But in looking at 197 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: the sensor, I could see that it didn't look well. 198 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: By that, I mean well, first of all, it was 199 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: stuck in the aluminum housing. I said, why is this 200 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: plastic sensor? What would corrode and stick make it stick 201 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: to aluminum? That doesn't make any sense. It didn't make 202 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: any sense while the plastic was stuck in the cast 203 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: iron knuckle of the escape. But I'll play, I said, 204 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: you know, this is the fourth one I'm seeing. Nobody 205 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: seems to have any answers. I bet this aluminum has calcified, 206 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: meaning it's built up some crud. You know, the creeping 207 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: crud got to it, and it's it's created a problem 208 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: with the sensor. Sure enough, out came the bolt and 209 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: it couldn't move the sensor at all. It was stuck. 210 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: I broke away the top half of the sensor for 211 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 1: one hundred bucks. I'm going to play science project because 212 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: I'm going to bet the odds, which you do sometimes 213 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: when you're dealing with repeat failures and pattern failures and commonality, 214 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: and you know, you want to reinvent the wheel. And 215 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: you could see that the hole that the ABS sensor, 216 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: the plastic ABS sensor had been in, was reduced in 217 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: size by about five percent six percent. It was in effect. 218 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: It was sort of like you know the one finger 219 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: handcuff we used to call them Chinese handcuffs back a 220 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 1: million years ago. That it was the hearter you're pulled 221 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: on it, the tighter it got, and you could see 222 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: that it had a grip on that sensor. I had 223 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: to drill that one out too, thinking geeweish, we should 224 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: make these out of cast iron. I said, I got 225 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: to really make up my mind if I want cast 226 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: iron knuckles or aluminium knuckles fix that car. Bottom line, 227 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: and what it came down to is the technology has 228 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: improved and what they do and how they react has changed. Hey, look, 229 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 1: you don't run a business today the way you did 230 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: four years ago, five years ago, ten years ago, and 231 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: so on. You have to change with the times. But 232 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: the technology, the use of basics and the obvious still 233 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: has to be with you and That's what I applied 234 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: in both cases, chasing a similar problem, because this vehicle 235 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: wouldn't run at all and accelerate it all when it 236 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: had the condition, just like the eight year older escape. 237 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: Bottom Line, it was abs week. Bottom line, I had 238 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: to get my drills out twice. Bottom Line, I did 239 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: a bunch of censors. Bottom Line, I saw different technology 240 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: create similar problems, causing similar diagnostic dilemmas, both of them 241 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: fixed down the road eight five five five six zero 242 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: nine nine zero Zero'm running any of the car Doctor 243 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: and I'll be back right after this. Don't go away. 244 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 4: When you get keep Ron's number handy eight five five 245 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 4: five six zero nine nine zero zero for when you 246 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 4: really need advice on your car. 247 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 1: Here's Rob. Hey, let's get over and talk to Joe 248 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,319 Speaker 1: and Iowa Joe. Welcome back to the Car Doctor, sir. 249 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: How can we help you today? 250 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 4: Yeah? Hey, thanks, thanks Ron, I got a wiring diagram 251 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 4: for that. Twenty twelve for truck okay, but the first yeah, 252 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 4: thanks for that. I wanted to ask you my driving 253 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 4: my little ninety eight Ford Ranger today and I noticed 254 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 4: the idol when you know, like a chef gears or something. 255 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 4: Let off the accelerator pedal the idle one to stay 256 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 4: up high, and it didn't want to dropped back down, 257 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 4: and I'm wondering, well, what's going on now? You know, 258 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 4: I kind of thought, well, maybe I'll bring it home 259 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 4: and clean the ass airflow sensor and then maybe clean 260 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 4: the throttle body too. So I'm just finishing up on 261 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 4: those two items right there. But I was just going 262 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 4: to ask you, well, I got you know, while you're 263 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 4: on the phone about it. 264 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: So you have a scan tool, right, Joe? 265 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 4: Not really now I don't, all right, volt. 266 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: Meter, So buy a scan tool, Joe. I don't care 267 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: if you spend one hundred two hundred bucks, you know, 268 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: for the amount that I know you as well as 269 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: I know you at this point in our relationship, buddy, 270 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: you know, spend spend the two three hundred dollars by 271 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: a scan tool, because there's a lot of information you're 272 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: missing out. All right. 273 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,479 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know before I probably shared. 274 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: Well, you know, listen before let me let me change 275 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: your life for you. Okay, you got a pencil and a 276 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: piece of paper. Yeah, all right, So I'm gonna give 277 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: you some things I want you to go look at. 278 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: And we call these high level indicators, all right, and 279 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: you can you can do all this with a basic 280 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: scan tool, generic OBD two. It doesn't have to be fancy, 281 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: all right, And I'm not worried about your condition or 282 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: your symptoms. I just want to baseline the vehicle, all 283 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: right and have a conversation. I want you to go 284 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: look at fuel trim, all right? Do you understand fuel trim? 285 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: Do you know what fuel trim is? 286 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 2: Real? 287 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 5: Quick? 288 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 4: That zero? 289 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: So zero right? Zero? Zero is your baseline fuel trim. 290 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: Every vehicle has a different fuel trim level, just like 291 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: every human being has a different heart rate level. Every 292 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: human being has a range, but everyone has a different 293 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: base rest heartbeat makes sense, okay. I want you to 294 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: go learn about fuel trim. If it's zero, and we're 295 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: gonna talk about short term and long term. Long term 296 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: is simply history. It's what you had for breakfast yesterday. 297 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: History and short term is what you just ate. Short 298 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: term fuel trim drives long term fuel trim. If you 299 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: had bacon and eggs for breakfast yesterday, you probably don't 300 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: want it again today, so it's going to change how 301 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: you react. Makes sense. So if you were to look 302 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: at a fuel trim line chart, zero plus or minus 303 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: five percent short term maybe eight nine percent depending upon condition. 304 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: Doesn't scare me, But tell me what fuel trim is, 305 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: what's the average? What's the number? All right? I want 306 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: you to go look at mass I want you to 307 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: go look at mass airflow. All right. You just cleaned 308 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: your mass airflow sensor, you know you. Depending upon what 309 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: you used and how you did it, depending upon the age, 310 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: you may have made it better. You may have made 311 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: it worse. You may not have needed to clean it. Okay, 312 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: what size is your engine in that truck? Two liter? 313 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 4: Two point five? All right? 314 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 1: So if you had a scan tool, you could look 315 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: at your mass airflow, look at Graham's per second. If 316 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: it's a four, they'll measure it in voltage. Typically ero 317 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: point five to one vault is a good number. It'll 318 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: it'll come out to be about seven tenths of a vault. 319 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: But if you if you look at it and OBD 320 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 1: two generic, they will give you the ability to look 321 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:31,479 Speaker 1: at it and Grahams per second. All right. If if 322 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: if that's a two point five lider, Joe, you're gonna 323 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: see guess how much? Guess guess what you're gonna see 324 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: for Grahams per second at IDLE. Take a guess two 325 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: point two point five. 326 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 4: I'm oh two point five right? 327 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: If you saw two point six two point seven, am 328 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: I upset? No? If you saw a two point two 329 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: two point three, No, but you're gonna base, you know, 330 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: instead of changing and cleaning and modifying things, let's diagnose. 331 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: Sit tight, Joe, let me pull over. Take this pause, 332 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: we'll come back. We'll continue. I'm running ay in the car. 333 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: Doctor the phone numbers eight five, five, five six zero 334 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: nine nine zero zero. Got a question, give us a call. 335 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: I'll be back right after this. Ron's in his own 336 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: the Auto Zone studio and he'll be back right after this. 337 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the AutoZone studio. Here's Ron. Hey, welcome back. 338 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: We're continuing with Joe and Iowa. Joe, you're still there. 339 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: So we just talked about fuel trim. We just talked 340 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: about looking at mass airflow center at IDOL. Easy tests, right, 341 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: something something you can do. Okay, Now you can check 342 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: throut a position, which is my next thing I want 343 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: you to go look at. You can look at the 344 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: throttle position sensor because that vehicle, that's a ninety eight, 345 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: that should have a cable, right, that has a throttle 346 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:11,239 Speaker 1: cable attached to the throttle body its right, So so 347 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 1: this is not drive by wire. This is still old 348 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: school mechanical cable. But let's go look at the throttle 349 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: position sensor. Where is it at idle? Typically that is 350 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: a half vault to four and a half vault sensor, 351 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: And the easiest way to prove it is if you 352 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 1: had a scan tool. You could do it with a vaultmeter, 353 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 1: but its scan tool is going to be quicker. Right 354 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: is getting the car started? Don't start at turn the 355 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 1: key on and start to look at some of these centers. 356 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: Make yourself a list and start to check things off. 357 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: Look at throttle position sensor TPS again generic OBD two. 358 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: We don't need to get fancy. And what is it 359 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 1: at idle? Six tenths? Seven tenths? Great? Put your foot 360 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 1: to the floor. The enginees off, right, put your foot 361 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 1: to the floor. Where does it go? If it's like 362 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: and the majority ninety nine point nine percent of vehicles 363 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: of this generation will run a half vault to a 364 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 1: four and a half fault signal. That's the sweep you'll 365 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: see it go from. That's six to seven tens. Whatever 366 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 1: it is it's under a volt all the way up 367 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: to four and a half. It very rarely hits five volts. 368 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: Sometimes they do these five olt sensors, but you know 369 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: that's the range. Does yours go all the way up 370 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: to four and a half fuls? Does yours stop at 371 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 1: three point eight three point two? Two point seven? You 372 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: know a lot of a lot of things can set 373 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: fault codes. I'm sorry, a lot of things can go 374 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: wrong that will not set fault codes. And that's why 375 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: you know, is so you know, get away from Hey, 376 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: my car doesn't have the code. It can't be this. 377 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: Stop looking at the symptom, look at the condition. Tell 378 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: me what's good. All right, So let's let's check throttle position. 379 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: You want to you want to check engine vacuum. I 380 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: know it's probably not it, or you may think it's 381 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: not it, but you want to check engine vacuum. Which 382 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: way you want to do it? You want to do 383 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: it with a gauge, which will take you about three minutes, 384 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 1: or do you want to do it with a scan tool, 385 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: which will take you about thirty seconds? 386 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 4: Okay, let's do it. 387 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: Let's do it by scan tool. Let's do it by 388 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 1: scan tool. All right, turn the key on go to 389 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: barometric pressure. All right, you're gonna see two PIDs in 390 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 1: barometric pressure. I'm sorry, in OBD two generic. You're gonna 391 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: see map m AP, manifold absolute pressure and a barrel sensor. Now, 392 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: for the record, no car that I know of has 393 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 1: a barometric pressure sensor built into it. But how do 394 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: they come up with that number? Joe, where do you 395 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: think that number comes from? Well, but there's got something 396 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: on the car has to tell it. You know what 397 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: tells it? The map sensor. Same map sensor, Joe, map sensor. 398 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: Very good, Joe, you got it. So what they do 399 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 1: is they're programming it will convert the voltage of the 400 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 1: map sensor keon engine off to a barometric pressure reading. 401 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 1: They do it by software. So you know here in 402 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: New Jersey barometric pressure like the other day at the 403 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 1: shop on Friday, barometric I sure was twenty nine point eight. 404 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: I started the car up. I saw the map sensor 405 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: voltage go down to twelve inches. That doesn't mean it 406 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: has twelve inches of vacuum. That means twelve from thirty 407 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: is what. Twelve from thirty is what, Joe. You gotta 408 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: do math today, work with me twelve from thirty is what? 409 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: Say eighteen eighteen? Joe, say eighteen? Right? Eighteen inches of 410 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 1: vacuum is usually a good number, all right, Especially on 411 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: an older vehicle like that. We get into something newer, 412 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: we might see as high as twenty one. I just 413 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: had you check mass, airflow, throttle position, fuel trim map 414 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: and barrel. What did that take us? Are we four 415 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: minutes into the car? 416 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 4: Pretty quick? 417 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 5: Five? 418 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: Right? Okay? Yeah, so we know what it's not? All right? 419 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: Then I want you to ask yourself what's the idle quality? 420 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: Like when this does idle? What is it idle at? 421 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 1: Does it idle under one thousand r pm? Does it? 422 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 3: Yeah? 423 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 4: I've never never checked it because I don't have a 424 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 4: r pm UH indicator on the dash. There's there's no tax, 425 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 4: no tachometer. 426 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: So so so how do you know this is? This is? 427 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: Does an idle down? By sound? 428 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 3: Oh? 429 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, you can hear it. It was idol was staying up 430 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 4: and and it would drop down, but it would just 431 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 4: take a while for it to drop down. 432 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 1: Joe, is it possible the fan clutch is locked on 433 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: and it's got a bad fan clutch Because you're listening 434 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 1: to the roar of the engine. 435 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 4: No, it's it doesn't have a fan clutch on it. 436 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 1: Does it have a cool does it have a mechanical fan? 437 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 4: Yeah? Just this Direk drive, okay, And. 438 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: There's no fans it. There's no fan clutch on this car. 439 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: I'd be surprised. There's double check that. 440 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no air conditioning on it that you know 441 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,959 Speaker 4: it was you never had air on it. 442 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 1: So just just do yourself a favor and just just 443 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: take a look, all right, Just just take a pick, 444 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: you know, can you can you turn that? There's no yeah, 445 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: can you You can't? You're telling me you go to 446 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: spin that fan? It's locked, right, It's okay. 447 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no fan clutch on it. 448 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: All right? So what did the RPM used to drop 449 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: down to? Do you know? 450 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 4: You know, it sounds like maybe seven hundreds, seven fifty 451 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 4: or something, but I don't have no way of knowing, right, 452 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 4: So it just when I when I when I drove 453 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 4: it and shipped in through the gears, I could hear 454 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 4: the idol wasn't dropping down very fast. It was taking 455 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 4: a while for it to drop down well. 456 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 1: And so I, rather rather than guessing poke and hope, Joe, 457 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: don't you think we want to get a scan tool 458 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: and start doing some testing. Wouldn't it be nice if 459 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 1: we had a scan tool that showed us what RPM was? 460 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it it would be nice. 461 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: Rh. 462 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 4: I just never taken a I just you know, I mean, 463 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 4: I don't work in cars all the time, just occasionally, 464 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 4: you know, working to help my kid or one of 465 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 4: the kids work on the car or something, you know, 466 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 4: a vehicle. 467 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: And yeah, but you know what, Joe, I'm a mechanic. 468 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: If if I decided to do brain surgery, I'd at 469 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: least go to medical I'd at least go to medical 470 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 1: school because I don't think anybody would want me opening 471 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: up their head with an axe. Probably be the wrong approach. 472 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 1: So you know, let's let's let's let's do some basics, 473 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: all right, brother, So did you have another question, Joe, 474 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: real quick, because I gotta go. 475 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 4: I did on that on that you know weiring diagram, 476 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 4: A guy, right, it doesn't I got a I got 477 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 4: a hat spaniel, and it doesn't show anything about a 478 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 4: in dash computer I see on this wiring diagram. It 479 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 4: it has a white and velvet uh look like a 480 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 4: wire going up to the battery junction boxys with the 481 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 4: dash computer and there's a start. I'm not sure what 482 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 4: that is. A start in it. 483 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: Well, that's that diagram. That diagram I sent you has 484 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 1: a powertrain control module in it. That's the computer that 485 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: runs the h anti theft system that will help engage 486 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 1: or disengage. And then the body control module, if I 487 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: remember right, was in the top right corner of that diagram, 488 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 1: next to the NISI switch. 489 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 4: Yes, it is on the top right side, right. I 490 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,479 Speaker 4: don't think it's got that uh theft thing in it 491 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 4: because when I was looking for the truck man, I 492 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 4: thought I'd seen something like that, and so maybe it 493 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 4: doesn't have any of that stuff on it. 494 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 1: Well, I'm betting. I'm betting it does, Joe. But like 495 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: I said that day, Like I said that day when 496 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: I talked, do you see the wiring diagram? You got 497 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 1: the wiring diagram in front of you. 498 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:28,360 Speaker 4: I do. 499 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: I would go to that green red wire at the 500 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: ignition switch. Do you have power there? 501 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 4: Yeah? You know, I've checked it. I even changed the 502 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 4: switch out. I just thought I would for the fun 503 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 4: of it. Didn't change the key part of it, but 504 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:41,479 Speaker 4: I changed the switch. 505 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 1: Did you have power? Did you have Joe? Did you 506 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: have power at the green red wire. 507 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 4: The green red I had power on the blue white 508 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 4: coming out of the switch past. 509 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: The switch, okay, all right, all right. 510 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, and then I took it clear to the you know, 511 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 4: to the batterian Johnson box, and I was getting getting 512 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 4: a single where I'd get twelve twelve point four volts 513 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 4: and it would just dissipate away. Yeah, when the keys 514 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 4: turned in the starting position and the valiage would just 515 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 4: drop away. And I did it numerous times and it 516 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 4: kept doing the same thing. 517 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 1: Well, if you've got power, if you've got power on 518 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: the blue white Joe, that sends signal doubt out to 519 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: the BCM and it sends it down to the PCM 520 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: and then the PCM on signal from the BCM will 521 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: apply power to the starter relay and that engages the starter. 522 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: So if you look at that wiring diagram I gave, 523 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: you go to the starter relay and you see the 524 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 1: white violet wire. If I recall, right, there's a white 525 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: violet wire there. 526 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 4: There's there at the power control module. There's a white 527 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,360 Speaker 4: violet that comes out and it goes to the battery 528 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 4: junction box. 529 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: Right, which goes that inside that battery junction box box 530 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 1: is the starter relay, right right right? Okay, when you 531 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: see a dotted line on a wiring diagram, that's showing 532 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 1: you that you're looking at something within a subsystem of 533 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: something else. All right, Go measure voltage on that white violet. 534 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 1: Go measure voltage on that white violet. Joe, tell me 535 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: if you've got power to it, because if you don't 536 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: have power there, then your problem is before that part 537 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 1: of the circuit. If you do have power there, then 538 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 1: your problem is after that leading out of the junction 539 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 1: box down to the starter. I gotta go call me back. 540 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: Let me know what happens, Joe. Height five five five 541 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,360 Speaker 1: six zero nine nine zero zero. The car Doctor's coming 542 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: back right after this. Welcome back Ron and naming the 543 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 1: card doctor. Let's cover to Mark in Las Vegas. See 544 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: what's going on here? Oh wait, Honda, Mark. Welcome to 545 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: the car Doctor, Sir, How can I help hi? 546 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 3: Ron Fisher again for talking to Melome my pleasure. I'm 547 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 3: having a little problem with my AC again. I called 548 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 3: you a couple of months ago, and I had replaced 549 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 3: all the components in it because it would it wouldn't 550 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 3: run very cold. When I come to a stop anyway, 551 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 3: that that problem was fixed. It turned out it was 552 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 3: my expansion valve. I needed to get a Honda one. 553 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 3: I had put an aftermarket one in, and when I 554 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 3: went back and did the new Honda, I put in 555 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 3: a new Honda condenser. 556 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 5: Anyway. 557 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: That fixed it. 558 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 3: So been running great for a couple of months. Now, 559 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 3: all of a sudden, I've got this intermittent problem where 560 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 3: the air just it stopped blowing cold. And it's just 561 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 3: a total random It runs. It runs fine about ninety 562 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 3: percent of the time, maybe ninety five percent, but now 563 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 3: occasionally it will just not run. And a couple of 564 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 3: times that I've caught it not running, I was able 565 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 3: to get out and look to see the compressor was 566 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 3: not engaged. So it sounds like it's some kind of 567 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 3: an electrical thing. Now I'll tell you what I've done. 568 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 3: I tried to keep the expense down, so I just 569 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 3: replaced a relay and I also replace the console deck. 570 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 3: It's just a real simple it's not a two zone. 571 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 3: It's the real basic AC system. Because I was able 572 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 3: to play around with it one time when it wasn't working, 573 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 3: and I got it to work, so I thought, well, 574 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 3: maybe it's that I found one on eBay for ninety bucks, 575 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 3: so I've spent about one hundred bucks on it so far. 576 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 3: But that didn't fix the problem. Well, I have a feeling. 577 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 2: You're gonna tell me. 578 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: Go ahead, do you have a scan tool mark? I do? Okay? 579 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 1: Does it? Is it generic OBD two or we'll go 580 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: into your make model? 581 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 5: Yeah? 582 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: Generic? 583 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 3: It's generic? 584 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So here's an advantage where having ear make 585 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: model would help. All right, but let's let's so let's 586 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: try and get around it. But I'm gonna make your 587 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: work harder, all right, So tell me about the compressor. 588 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: Whose compressor is it after market? Did you replace the compressor? 589 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: Is the original compressor? 590 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 3: It's after market? I think I got it at AutoZone. 591 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: Okay. Matter of fact, Well, if I got it at AutoZone, 592 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: they'll stand behind it, and you know, I'm sure there's 593 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: a warranty and so forth there. Yeah, there is, so 594 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: so let's but let's prove it. Okay. So leading up 595 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: to that compressor, the harness comes down the front of 596 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: the motor. You know, when you're underneath there on your back, 597 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: because you probably don't have a lift and you were 598 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: taking out the fourteen millimeters head bolts that hold the 599 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: compressor in. Right there, there's that singular wire that comes 600 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: down into the junction block which goes into the thermal 601 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: limitter before it goes over to the compressor clutch. Okay, right, 602 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: that single wire, if I remember, right, is red is 603 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: it not? 604 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 3: I'm not sure. 605 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's a hot red. So 606 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: that's the feed. So that relay that you pulled out, okay, 607 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: which you didn't have to do that, by the way, 608 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: I'll tell you about that in a minute. That relay. 609 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: When that relay is energized, okay, provided all the commands 610 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: and conditions are there, it just sends a hot down 611 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: to that red and as long as you have ground, 612 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: boom it runs all right. Right, So what if what 613 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: if we disconnect that wire and tap in, Oh you know, 614 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: let's let's tap in and put a side marker, bulb, 615 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: go back to AutoZone. 616 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 3: That yeah, you know, tell me to put a side somewhere. 617 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: I do this because you know what, you know, I'm 618 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: trying to give you the poor man's scan tool if 619 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: your pardon the expression, right, and and you know is 620 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: the bull blit yes or no? All right? It ends 621 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: the conversation, all right, because if you were in the shop, 622 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: you would have you'd have gotten the car back after 623 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: an hour with a one ninety four side marker plugged in. 624 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: I'm going okay, especially when you tell me the compressor 625 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: doesn't run. It's it's it's because it's one of three 626 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: things that are common. Either the command isn't there, power 627 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: is there but there's no ground because the clutch failed, 628 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: all right, or the relays bad. So you know the 629 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: one ninety four. I's solve that. Okay, sit tight, let 630 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: me pull over because I'll tell you what. Sit tight, 631 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:57,959 Speaker 1: Let me pull over. Take this because I got one 632 00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: more thing I want to I want to tell you. 633 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: Then we'll finish up. So don't go anywhere I'm running 634 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: any of the car Doctor. We'll be back with Mark 635 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: in Las Vegas right after this. 636 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 5: Don't go away. 637 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: Welcome back running the car Doctor. 638 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:19,479 Speaker 2: Here. 639 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: Mark, you're still there, bib Yes, I am run. So 640 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: let me make it easy for you. Let's just go 641 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: back to the one ninety four bulb again. You know, 642 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,959 Speaker 1: when you stop back to AutoZone to talk to them 643 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: about the warranty and such, ask them, you know, you 644 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: get your one ninety four side marker bulb. You know, 645 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: do they have any sort of a wire piercing probe? 646 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: And if you google it you'll see it. There's companies 647 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: out there. If if AutoZone doesn't have it, and they should, 648 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: but companies like Automotive AES AES Wave out in California 649 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: will have it. They have a series of self piercing probes. 650 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: Some of them are a little expensive. You don't need 651 00:33:58,360 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 1: an expensive one you're not doing a lot of testing. 652 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: Or if you've got a local sewing store, all right, 653 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: poor here, poor man's poor man's self piercing probe. Go 654 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: down to the local sewing store. See if they have 655 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: We called them t pins, tee pins, t pins, all right, 656 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 1: they're used to you know, hold up a hem if 657 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 1: you're if you're sewing something in a stitch and right, 658 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 1: and what you'll do is you'll gently proke it through 659 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 1: the wire, attach your alligator clip, tape it up right 660 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: because you know you're gonna have hot here. You don't 661 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: want to just bounce around. If it touches ground, you'll 662 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,879 Speaker 1: blow the fuse, all right, and hook up your boat. 663 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: Last thing, all right, go to your fuse box, look 664 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: at the fuse box. Be sure you change the AC relay. 665 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,439 Speaker 1: Take the relay out that you think it is. See 666 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,839 Speaker 1: if the AC compressor turns on. If it does, you're right. 667 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 1: If it doesn't, you're wrong. But if you look at 668 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,320 Speaker 1: the relay next to the AC relay, that was probably 669 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,280 Speaker 1: the same relay it should be on most of the models. 670 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,439 Speaker 1: You could have swapped that as well. Do those things. 671 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: Joe call me Mark, I'm sorry, Hold me back and 672 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 1: we'll talk some more. I enjoyed it. We'll fix it. 673 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: I'm on an ding in the car. Doctor. Good mechanics 674 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: aren't expensive, they're prices. 675 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 5: See y