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Speaker 1: to the show, Ralph, before we even get to the

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Speaker 1: eye on, and so, um, I I just hope they

430
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 1: go out and kind of give Grant and La voted

431
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: confidence and say like you're gonna, we're gonna, We're gonna

432
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: live or die with you, because you know, that was

433
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 1: the that was a decision they decided to make and

434
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: in bringing him in, um, who I think he was

435
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: originally committed to Texas A and M you know, and

436
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 1: he followed the staff out And if you're gonna run

437
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: with Grant Ganelle and you're gonna bring him out to

438
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: Tucson and he's going to move out to Tucson and um,

439
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: I think he got a roll with him. So um,

440
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: that's just I don't know. Arizona football is is enigmatic

441
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 1: and the coaches are are kind of bailing on him

442
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: and and there you know wide receivers main wide receiver's

443
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 1: hurt and questions at quarterback and I just want a mess. Yep,

444
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 1: what a mess. But it is, but it is beautiful,

445
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 1: miss because this is the positive shows they were wearing.

446
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: They're wearing the Desert Swarm throwback block red white and

447
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 1: blue A helmets in spring practice. Those are nice. That's

448
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 1: a nice thing. That's a compliment. Yep, yep, I totally

449
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 1: agree with that. Yep. Oh So another thing, uh Internet

450
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 1: rabbit hole to go down is the Pack twelve teams

451
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 1: because John Wilner, who will be a guest on Pack

452
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: twelve Apostles next week, who writes for the um, the

453
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 1: Mercury writes all about the Pack twelve and all that, um,

454
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: great job it does a really good job. Yes, Yes, fantastic,

455
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: And then we're gonna have uh Canzano a couple of

456
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: weeks after after that, whid is gonna be power packed

457
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: Pack twelve apostles upcoming soon. Um. So he wrote an

458
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: article about out him and Kazano wrote an article based

459
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: upon Mike Bone, usc s new athletic director making a

460
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: comment about us everything being on the table for USC,

461
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 1: including potentially going independent, and Kanzano, who writes about Oregon

462
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: for the most part and does TV radio about it,

463
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: um was in the Pact twelve in general, was talking

464
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 1: about how Oregon may be positioned to do that as well.

465
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,199
Speaker 1: So we wanted to talk about what teams like. Is

466
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: independence like a real thing, because right now the independents

467
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: are b y U Notre Dame who's been hugely successful,

468
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: Um Yukon is turning into an independent inexplicably and and

469
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: like Army yeah we we. I mean, there are a

470
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: couple of teams that I think could be okay is independence,

471
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Speaker 1: But I think that the Conference affiliation probably as most

472
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: people the most good you know, at least in just

473
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: giving you a consistent schedule to play and setting expectations.

474
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 1: What b why you does? I think they're able to

475
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 1: do because they've done it forever. You know what Yukon does.

476
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: I think they do just out of necessity and same

477
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 1: with same with Army. I don't think it's that appealing

478
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 1: for people to have to go out on their own

479
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 1: and handle everything themselves. You can jumped out of a conference,

480
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 1: You're like, But but why though? Right when when you're

481
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: one of the worst teams, Like I look at when?

482
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: When I look at independence, being an independent, I look

483
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: at obviously you have to be able to fund yourself

484
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: and you have in football, like you have to be

485
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 1: able to generate at least as much money and have

486
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 1: the potential to generate more. But you'll be in a

487
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: position like Notre Dame playing twelve games or if you

488
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: can find a thirteen, so you don't have a conference

489
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 1: championship game unless you go undefeated. It's gonna be tough

490
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: to get into COEGE football playoff. There are some disadvantages

491
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: to it, but if your brand is strong enough, you

492
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: can do it. I Alabama could leave the SEC and

493
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: be just fine in football, but it was the plot.

494
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: Wasn't a plot of ballers like USC going independent? Or

495
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: was that was just what their television contract? Yeah, that

496
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: that was having their own television contract. They could I

497
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: mean you you people will still schedule you. I don't

498
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: think that you'll be able to build you know, I

499
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: think you have to have kind of some of the

500
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: tradition the way that Notre Dame does in order to

501
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: do it. Um. I think you just do You think

502
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: in the PAC twelve could do it, could go independent? Um?

503
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: U talk. I think Utak could do it. Um. I

504
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: think that they having already come from another conference. You know,

505
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: I don't think they're super beholden there obviously, you know,

506
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: hundreds of miles from the next nearby school. Um. It's

507
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: kind of a major airport hubs, so they could really

508
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: get anywhere. Uh. And I think that they could probably

509
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: pull it off. I'm not sure about Colorado. Colorado went

510
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: from one major conference to another. You know, Utah kind

511
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: of had the glow up. Um. I think that I

512
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: don't know. I think that that's kind of it. Stanford

513
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: might be able to make it work, but with the

514
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: understanding that they probably they would probably be more on

515
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: b Y use level. If they decided to to do that,

516
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: they you know that it wouldn't be the days of

517
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: old where they were really struggling, but it definitely would

518
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: would be UM like some of the really really high

519
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: times that they've had in the last eight or nine seasons.

520
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: So I think that Stanford UM Stanford, because they recruit nationally,

521
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: you know, they could even make it work for them

522
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: in recruiting, like, hey, we'll try to get a game

523
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: in your home state. Yeah, I definitely do think that

524
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: they can make it. Yeah, I and I think that

525
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: you Utah has the constitution and the fan base, um,

526
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: they don't you know, be b y U obviously has

527
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: the LDS connection, and there are members of the LDS

528
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: Church all throughout the country, mainly kind of concentrated on

529
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: the West, sort of up the up the eighty nine Freeway.

530
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: You know, you got you got Arizona and Idaho and

531
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: you know, Wyoming, Colorado the UM. But but they they

532
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: also have a lot of Polynesian members and stuff like that.

533
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: So you know, b YU can schedule games in Hawaii

534
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: and southern California and still be relevant, still have fans

535
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: traveling UM and a lot of people, you know, people

536
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: who are UM in the LDS faith, they come from

537
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: somewhere else to go to Provo and then they go

538
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: move elsewhere and and and while Utah has some of

539
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: that UM, it's definitely not as much. And so UM,

540
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: you know, Utah, if they did do it, I think

541
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Speaker 1: it would be a step back for them in the

542
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,719
Speaker 1: competition that they would have to play. They already kind

543
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: of struggled to recruit, and who knows how much how

544
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: many players they've gotten just over the last ten years

545
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: by being able to say like, hey, you know, yeah,

546
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: Utah might not be the most glamorous place, but look

547
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: at that. We play usc every single year, we play Oregon,

548
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: you know, most most years. And so you know, they

549
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: probably landed some recruits just off the strength of of

550
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: being killed saying they they didn't recruit. You come over here,

551
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: now you can beat him, prove it to him. And

552
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: so the rabbit hole I went down today was I

553
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: sent it to you too. It's this guy named rob

554
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: Bo Ron who he is a you know, he is

555
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: a data scientist. Uh, you know, he says he's according

556
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: to his Twitter bio, he's a data scientist and a

557
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: fellow fellow Wyoming and there's not many Wyoming Nights out there,

558
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: So shout out to Rob. I guess he's the modeler

559
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: of the the BEATA rank and he does a competing

560
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: pod podcast with Inferior branding. But it's okay, no, no,

561
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: but but he has a smart guy though. But but

562
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: I'm not always into the beta stuff and all of

563
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: that because it's supposed to be a forward looking metric.

564
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: But then how can you look forward after the season, like, like,

565
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: the results are the results, but they still try to

566
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: say one team was better than another team. So they're

567
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: trying to say, like, if you look at some of

568
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: these beta rankings by some of these people, Washington was

569
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: the third best team in the Pact twelve last last year,

570
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: and you're like, no, they lost five five games. I

571
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: saw it happen. Then they're like, yeah, but it's expected

572
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: that they would know. No, I saw them lose five

573
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: five games. I don't care what your beta rank says.

574
00:32:55,440 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: But anyways, um, So it all started with him. He

575
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: commented on the Kanzano piece about UM about USC. I'm

576
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: sorry about Oregon being able to go independent because they

577
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: have Phil Night, Nike powerful national brand. They could do

578
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: it like USC, and he commented that UM that that

579
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:29,959
Speaker 1: South Carolina what that South Carolina and other brands were

580
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: equal or below USC, And he said, if all these

581
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: brands are below USC are so incredibly strong, then how

582
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: come the pack twelve is so bad at making money?

583
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: It's USC, then a gap, then U C l A,

584
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: then a gap, then the rest population and fan base size.

585
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: And I just thought that this was like super shortsighted

586
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: because I was like, population has nothing to do with

587
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: it with whether you're saying population has nothing to do

588
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: if whether or not a team could survive as an independent,

589
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,760
Speaker 1: that's what you're saying, and I would I would agree.

590
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: I would agree, just that it was some of the

591
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: strong Indiana ain't big either. Yeah, I mean Clemson has

592
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 1: like eighteen people in the whole city, if that right.

593
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: Nebraska's brand is incredibly strong, and you know, Lincoln's got

594
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 1: just a couple hundred thousand people. So I mean, I

595
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: think Salt Lake Cities hundred sixty people provos smaller than that.

596
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: I believe they run independent and so I mean it

597
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: really just depends on Yeah, I'm not sure that that

598
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: I agree with his his assessment there, and maybe that's

599
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: just that Wyoming mindset of like of of being population

600
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: that obsessed because we've got five thousand people from our

601
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,439
Speaker 1: you know, in our entire state, five people per square mile.

602
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: When you see a group of people, it's it's pretty

603
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: intimidating and pretty awe inspiring. So you know, I was

604
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: out l A with you this last weekend and I

605
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: was just blown away. There's just human beings everywhere you. You.

606
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: You and I were, you know, we were gonna go

607
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: with a couple of friends of mine. We're gonna go

608
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 1: into this, uh, into this like karaoke bar slash Italian place,

609
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: and I'm so glad you pulled the plug on it

610
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: when you walked in and saw there was wasn't really

611
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: any room to stand or sit. Because me being from Wyoming,

612
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: you know, I saw all those people and I was like,

613
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: oh lord, I'm gonna have an anxiety. It's you know,

614
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: I'm just crowded spaces. I'm not used to it where

615
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: I'm from. You know, I live out in the middle

616
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: of the desert in Arizona. It's the same way I'm

617
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: I moved even further into the desert to kind of

618
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: get away from people. And so, man, this is my

619
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: theory on on this guy just be also being from

620
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: Wyoming to to look at a place that has eight

621
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: million people and being like, oh, well they could probably

622
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: handle it. They got eight million people. But it's just

623
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: it really comes down to, you know, U c l

624
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: A can't even make their budget now, you know, So

625
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. You're talking about teams

626
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: that can you know, survive as an independent with all

627
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: the resources that they have. You really comes down to

628
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: the fervor of the people that sort of surround that program.

629
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 1: If u c l A can't meet its current budget,

630
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: but if University of Nebraska is bringing a hundred thousand

631
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: people to the spring game, uh with people who can't

632
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: even get in, who just drive eight hours just to

633
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: stand outside and cook out, you know, I'm probably gonna

634
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: go with the one that can consistently bill its stadium,

635
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: you know, and that and that doesn't have any issues

636
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: meeting its budget despite the size to say that they

637
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: could um survive on their own. So I don't know.

638
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: I just this whole thing is so weird because Mike

639
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: Bone floats this out there and you have to wonder

640
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: is it red meat for the base because this conference

641
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: commissioner is near universally disliked um or or is it

642
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: real or is it is it meant to put pressure

643
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: on the conference in general to do better, or is

644
00:36:53,719 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: it meant to just try to get some approve. Oh dude, listen,

645
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: I want to believe that not fire that did that

646
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: was hired to fire. Clay Hilton is going to like

647
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 1: be have the stones in year one to really be like, listen,

648
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,919
Speaker 1: we're considering independence. The tinfoil tinfoil hat guy in me though,

649
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 1: is saying that, like, what better way to at least

650
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 1: try to get back on people's good side after making

651
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: a decision that that made people very upset than to

652
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: say we might not need this conference, We might not

653
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: need this commissioner. You know, because until he's this is

654
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: Larry Scott talk. This is Larry Scott talk. Until he does,

655
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 1: I'm with you there. Because we live in a political

656
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: climate where, um, all of these like candidates were in

657
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: the middle of a presidential race, right. So we saw

658
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: this the other day. Build A. Blasio, the mayor of

659
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 1: New York. He was running for president and he uh

660
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: dropped out of the race. And you know, he has

661
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: been sort of from the sidelines putting pressure on other

662
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,439
Speaker 1: candidates to drop out, and before Pete Buddha has dropped out,

663
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: Bill de Blasi was just blasting him online right like

664
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: you need to drop out and endorsed. You're wasting everybody's time,

665
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,720
Speaker 1: you know, basically saying like, man, your garbage, just quit.

666
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: And then the second that he does drop out, you

667
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: get a tweet nine days later it's like, hey, you

668
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: ran a great campaign. You did a great job. I'm

669
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: proud to know you, you know, and it's just like,

670
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: oh man, all of this is just like red It's

671
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: it's just meat for the base, that's it. It doesn't

672
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: mean anything. All these candidates come out on a debate stage,

673
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: blast each other, just say stuff that if somebody said

674
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: about me to my face, I'd be mad for ten years,

675
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: and then they go and have a beer together afterwards,

676
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: so nothing really means anything anymore. And that's that's been

677
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: kind of one of the things that I've respected about

678
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: the way that the Pack twelve has gone about, you know,

679
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: not disparaging Larry Scott and protecting Larry Scott and not

680
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: really biting the hand that feeds is it makes me

681
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: believe like, oh, they really are backing him then, because

682
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: it could be so easy just to go out there,

683
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: knowing that everyone hates Larry Scott and say like, hey,

684
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: you know, everything's on the table. We could do anything.

685
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 1: We're obviously not doing the best job that we could,

686
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: and so we're just gonna throw it out there, you know,

687
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: and everyone be like, yeah, yeah, that's that's right. Um,

688
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: and then behind closed doors go and and and clink

689
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: glasses with champagne Larry, you know, and and and have

690
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: everything be fine. But that hasn't been the case. So

691
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: that makes me feel that like the backing has kind

692
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: of been genuine. But what better way for Mike Bone

693
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: to get some goodwill than to blast Larry Scott. And

694
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: maybe he doesn't mean it. You never know, Oh dude,

695
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: I don't believe anything that anybody says until they actually

696
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: do something. I mean, it's super easy to get up

697
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: there and talk the big game and then walk it

698
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: back a little bit, but then just say no, no,

699
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: I'm not walking it back. I'm just saying everything's on

700
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: the table. Come on, man, I'll believe it when when

701
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: I see it. But I do believe so the so

702
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: so the whole tweet from this guy, um rob Bo

703
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: Ron was just I was just saying that population size

704
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with it. And he said that

705
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: u c l as fan base football fan base is

706
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: bigger than Oregon's football fan base, And I was like,

707
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: what kind of syst does that make? Like U c

708
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 1: l A as a brand, Like when you consider history,

709
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 1: all the sports, all of that stuff is a bigger brand.

710
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: It's the most applied to university in the world, the

711
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: most applied to university in the world. So like, you

712
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: can't deny u c l A's brand. However, when you're

713
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: gonna look at, like what has happened in the last

714
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: you know, decade with u c l A. Their basketball

715
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 1: team for the first time in the history I think

716
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: of U c l A basketball for a decade was

717
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 1: not ranked number one. Their football team has been a shambles, shambles,

718
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: barely any winning seasons. Like come on, man, like you

719
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: like U c l A is a huge brand, but

720
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,919
Speaker 1: U c l A football, which would be independent while

721
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: the other things are are not independent, would be it

722
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,919
Speaker 1: is like the interest in you said, a football, even

723
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: when it's really good, is not the same as it

724
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: is when you sail a basketball is really good. I

725
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: don't think it. I don't. I honestly, I just I

726
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: don't think that anybody should be going independent. If anything else,

727
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: I think we should expand the conference. I think that

728
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: they should extend. They should have like a Pack twelve

729
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: A and a Pack twelve B. Extend and invite to

730
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: to the Mountain West schools and create which all of

731
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 1: them create, create a MEASO. No, no, not the Mountain

732
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: West school route. No, no, are you kidding me? No?

733
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: You know where you where you go to was you

734
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: go to the Big twelve and you try to get Yeah, dude,

735
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: like you try to get Oklahoma to come in. You

736
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: try to get Texas to come in, and they can

737
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: keep the Longhorn network. That's what you try to do.

738
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: This is what I this is what I think you

739
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: should do. You should you should go and grab the

740
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: Mountain West schools and say like, hey, we're creating way

741
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: they stopped beating you. Well, that's just it. Say we're

742
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: creating a mega conference Mountain West and PAC twelve. Everything

743
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: stays relatively the same, but the top two teams in

744
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: the Mountain West every single year knock the bottom two

745
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: teams in the PAC twelve down. So you essentially have

746
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: like a promotion and relegation deal with them. It creates

747
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: an interest that nobody else in the country has because

748
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: there's movable parts, there's act tool like money on the

749
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: line for these football programs. Right. I think it increases

750
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: interest in the in the Mountain West. I think it

751
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: will convince some more prospects to consider sticking around because

752
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: they actually have the possibility of ending up in the

753
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: Pack twelve if they put together a special season or

754
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: a good recruiting class. Um. And I I just think

755
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: it would give you something that nobody else has to

756
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: have the opportunity for, you know, Boise State to come

757
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: in knock University of Arizona out and then you have

758
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: Arizona University of Arizona for a year, UM saying like,

759
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: all right, how do we get back in? Right? And

760
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: So I just think that I think that that could

761
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: be that could be like a really really special, really

762
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: unique thing that would increase interest and viewership because nobody

763
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: else is doing it. And it could just sort of

764
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: be the Western United States kind of coming together and saying, hey,

765
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: we have this, we have this really cool thing that's

766
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 1: that's just oh and put it on the and put

767
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: it on the eighteen million and put it in the

768
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:06,439
Speaker 1: eighteen million homes, even though there's like forty even though

769
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: there's like fifty million homes in that put print, just

770
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: put it in eighteen of them. No problem. See, you

771
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: gotta stay positive, George, you gotta stay positive. I see.

772
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 1: I didn't even bring up the TV thing, even though

773
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: as of March one, the YouTube TV that I just

774
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: subscribed to one month ago, now it does nothing for

775
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: me anymore because they just dumped the Fox regional stuff.

776
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: Oh did you hear how that happened? Was it Sinclair? Yes? So,

777
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: uh so Disney, I'm sorry so um oh lord, this

778
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: is the rabbit hole and it all goes back to Disney.

779
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: Oh so Disney. Uh, Disney and Hulu are now partners.

780
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: And then um and then the Fox Sports and then

781
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 1: Disney bought the properties from Fox and then sold them

782
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: to Sinclair, the Fox Sports Regional networks to Sinclair. Then Sinclair,

783
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: Sinclair sucks. Yeah, And then they raised the prices on

784
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: YouTube TV and now the Fox Sports Regional networks are

785
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 1: only available on because they're the streaming war between YouTube

786
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: TV and Hulu TV, which I subscribe to both and

787
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: and and have no cable. And then um, and then

788
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 1: they raised the prices on Sinclair and then since I'm sorry,

789
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: Sinclair raised the prices and they're like no, no, no,

790
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,760
Speaker 1: we're not paying that, or they just were like, listen,

791
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: give us a billion dollars and you can have them.

792
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: Just an unreasonable thing. And now it's only available on Hulu.

793
00:45:56,239 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: So like the Yes network, UM, and some other big

794
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: networks for you know, for Yankee fans, or some regional

795
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: and some of the Fox Sports regional channels are now

796
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: only on Hulu TV, which now guess what that means.

797
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: This is these are the wars, the company wars, and

798
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: that's how they're fought. I hate it because I just

799
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: want to know where my stuff is gonna be. And

800
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: I was getting used to YouTube TV. I kind of

801
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: like it O. I like it a lot. Actually like

802
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,280
Speaker 1: it just automatically records everything that I needed to YouTube

803
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: TV the only thing I watched from my phone. I

804
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: don't really watch anything else from from my phone. I

805
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: use a computer or a Mac or whatever. And and

806
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: so like YouTube TV, I was getting used to checking

807
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: in on these games live going back, um, you know,

808
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: for some of this other stuff that I do for

809
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: the pro sports down here in the um in Arizona,

810
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: you know, catching all the Sun's games that way. That

811
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 1: was fantastic. But now I gotta cancel my YouTube TV

812
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: and switch over to Hulu and make sure that I

813
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: maintained Sling, you know. And it's the thing, there's no contracts. Yeah,

814
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: it sucks. So now now we're just down the rabbit

815
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: hole of of that stuff again. But I mean, just

816
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,240
Speaker 1: it would be just if Pact twelve network could get

817
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: on something else that matters. Besides what are they on,

818
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: like Fubo or some nonsense, if they can, I don't

819
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: even know what that is, Like I I haven't even

820
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: investigated to see what that is because I don't know

821
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: anybody who who has foo Boo. I mean, I I

822
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: thought I thought Damon John shut fooboo down like years ago.

823
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: So you tell me this though, If Sling decides to

824
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: give the PAC twelve network the boot, what is oh okay,

825
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: so what what Larry Scott does is the stupid ship

826
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: that that he just said. Here's what Larry Scott said.

827
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: Now we'll we'll just ride right into that. He said

828
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: the the PAC twelve that their media strategy for upcoming

829
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: is the upcoming years. It we we gotta look at

830
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: and then that's when we can begin divining our strategy.

831
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 1: In guess what happens in Ralph The Titans of Sports

832
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: renew their deal, Yes, the NFL that they are going to.

833
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: They usually redo their deals fifteen eighteen months before they're

834
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: up or figure out who their new partners are gonna

835
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:34,919
Speaker 1: be all of this stuff because they can't have any

836
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: gap m So you mean to tell me that the

837
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 1: Pack twelve, who has been quote unquote seeking a strategic

838
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 1: partner to assist with media rights and positioning to give

839
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: a cash infusion, is going to that. You're waiting on

840
00:48:54,480 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 1: the NFL two get its right deals done because that's

841
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: some kind of way impacts you what like the like

842
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 1: you are so far down in the pecking order. There's

843
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: the NFL, then there's the Big ten, then the uh

844
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,439
Speaker 1: SEC in terms of media rights because the big Big ten,

845
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 1: like people think the SEC is the biggest and as

846
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: the biggest fan interests. No, it's the Big ten, Big

847
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: ten SEC, UH and then the Big twelve of a

848
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: CEC are in third, and then Pack twelves last in

849
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: terms of the amount of homes, the amount of money

850
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 1: that's generated, the interest because you can't really have a

851
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: whole lot of interests when you're not available. And so

852
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: Larry Scott, the insanity that is him trying to keep

853
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: his job again saying I see one as an inflection point.

854
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: I I just like he says, we'll see who gets

855
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: the pieces of the NFL. So the NFL currently has

856
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:13,959
Speaker 1: rights with CBS, Fox, NBC, ESPN, and some of those

857
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: only run through two. And then you look at the

858
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: other conferences. You got the Big Ten their deal with

859
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:26,760
Speaker 1: ESPN and Fox runs through PAC twelves expired with ESPN

860
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: and Fox in twenty four, the Big twelve, the Big

861
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 1: twelve deals are up. And then you gotta remember that

862
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 1: the SEC just signed, just left CBS and they're gonna

863
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: be going with ESPN with their Games of the week.

864
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,720
Speaker 1: So where does the PAC twelve fit into this? Ralph

865
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: if the SEC just came in and took up some

866
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: of the oxygen in the in the on ESPN. But

867
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve has deals with ESPN in Fox, the

868
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: Big Ten's deals are pretty much with Fox because they

869
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: got the high noon thing. Like you know, like, where

870
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: does the Pack twelve games go? Like if you're waiting

871
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: to renegotiate, where do they go right? Letting letting the

872
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: chips fall is being reactive and and we we definitely

873
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,240
Speaker 1: need someone in there who can be proactive. The weirdest

874
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: thing about all the the Pack twelve issues and not

875
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: being able to find a partner or someone to stream with,

876
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 1: is that a lot of these companies, especially these streaming companies,

877
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 1: are like located one block from where the Pack twelve

878
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: is paying you know, six million dollars a year in

879
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: rent for Larry Scott to hang out. So did not

880
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: be able to just walk down the street and find

881
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: somebody you know, to partner with is kind of frustrating.

882
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 1: But the way that I look at it is this,

883
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: if you're if you are waiting to see who sets

884
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: the market to see where you fit in, you just

885
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: can't you can't be acting like you compare to the

886
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,919
Speaker 1: people who set the market. Right. So let's say that

887
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 1: you know, DeAndre Ayton and Marvin Bagley and a couple

888
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: of other people, they signed shoe deals with Puma because

889
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 1: you know, Puma is trying to get into the into

890
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 1: the basketball endorsement game. Uh, and they are, They're trying

891
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: to be the cornerstone of this company. So the number

892
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: one and the number two pick in NBA draft both

893
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: signed with Puma. And if DeAndre Ayton and Marvin Bagley

894
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: are waiting to see what they're gonna do with their

895
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: new shoe deal with Puma, um, if they're waiting to

896
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: see the new contract that Lebron James signs with Nike

897
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: in order to set the market for them, I don't

898
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: think that that's smart because they are not Lebron Lebron,

899
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: and that market don't necessarily apply to what it is

900
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: they're trying to do. It might be similar, it still

901
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: might be shoes on NBA players, but that's just not

902
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 1: your stratosphere. That's not the same oxygen that you breathe, right,

903
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: And so wait for the NFL to do anything. Um,

904
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: And I'm a lay person and I'm not an executive,

905
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: so you know, maybe this doesn't make any sense at all.

906
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: Maybe people are who are in the know, we're sitting

907
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 1: at home listening to this and laughing at me when

908
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: I say it. But waiting for the NFL to do

909
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: anything would would just to me, it would seem like,

910
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: you know, uh, just a cock cockroach, you know, trying

911
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: to figure out where it's going to hang out in

912
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 1: the house after you move in all the furniture, right,

913
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: it's just not it's not necessarily significant. It could affect

914
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 1: the decisions that you make, but it's not. You're You're

915
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: not the important person. You're not on that level. You're not.

916
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:40,439
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I think that the pack

917
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: twelve should operate as if it is doing whatever it

918
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: takes in its own interest and essentially ignore what else

919
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 1: is going on out there, because, ah, if you really

920
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: play the compare game, if you really are trying to

921
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: stack up, that's the creation of most of the frustration

922
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: in the first place, is saying, like, Wow, the Pack

923
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,280
Speaker 1: twelve doesn't stack up well against all of these other

924
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: things that exists out there in the marketplace, and so

925
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: it should be better for just to pack twelve. To

926
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 1: worry about the Pack twelve and see what they can

927
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: get done, and see what they can achieve without having

928
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,479
Speaker 1: to worry about the National football I mean the national

929
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: same national football league that's gonna be You know that

930
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 1: that exists in a world in which Tony Romo is

931
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: going to get paid one million dollars per game to broadcast, Well, well,

932
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: doesn't it make It's the other part that makes it

933
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: so foolish, is why would you be waiting on anybody

934
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:44,240
Speaker 1: like it? Like, if you then things are dried up

935
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: at that point in point in time, Why don't you

936
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: go be proactive, Try to sell your rights to dozing,

937
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 1: try to sell them to you know, Hulu TV or

938
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: YouTube TV. Negotiate your way out of your deal in

939
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: a way that is that makes money for everybody, and

940
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,760
Speaker 1: they'll be willing to get out of the deal. Tiptoe

941
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: down this, tiptoe down to Netflix headquarters and stuff like, hey,

942
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,439
Speaker 1: you know, Netflix is the biggest thing in the world

943
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: right now. That's definitely an option. Yep. So why The

944
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 1: other thing is that this is how to Pack twelve

945
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: operates their reactionary to everything. The other conferences, the a

946
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 1: c C and I think the Big ten have or

947
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: the Big twelve have already said that they're cool with

948
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 1: one time transfers, and the Pack twelve is still formulating

949
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 1: a position on it way done to see where everybody

950
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: else stands and and and it's just so much waffling.

951
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: There's no vision like you that you are a visionary. Yeah,

952
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 1: if you're doing with Wilner that just came up. He said,

953
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 1: you know, Larry Scott said, well, I was just hanging

954
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 1: out with one of the donors to one of the schools,

955
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: and they said like, hey, these eight pm tip offs

956
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: and kickoffs are really really tough, but we understand the

957
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: need for exclusivity. And so he's like lauding this donor

958
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,399
Speaker 1: for coming out and saying, hey, this is really hard

959
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 1: on me, but I understand that we need money, you know.

960
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 1: And and and Larry Scott is essentially praising this guy

961
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:15,240
Speaker 1: for seeing that things are complicated. But at the same time,

962
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 1: Larry Scott's not taking any time to acknowledge the fact that, like, hey,

963
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,240
Speaker 1: this donor is telling you these tip off and kickoff

964
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 1: time suck. They're really really hard. How can you take

965
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: a family to a midweek game that starts at eight o'clock.

966
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: I mean, like, I mean, even if you have teenage kids,

967
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: you're getting home ten, not even ten o'clock, ten thirty,

968
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: at eleven o'clock. They gotta go to school the next

969
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: next day. Imagine if you're trying to take a younger child,

970
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:46,919
Speaker 1: you know, a third fourth grader, like I got riding

971
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: around my house. It's it's untenable. That's why you can't

972
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: build up the stadiums, right, and then you do Let's

973
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 1: say that you do want to bring your kids and

974
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: it is a Sunday or Saturday basketball game that's tipping

975
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 1: off it six pm Pacific, So you you get your

976
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 1: kids together and you get the whole family, and all

977
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you get everybody up to the door

978
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 1: and your wife gets turned away because of a clear

979
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 1: bag policy. Like that, there are there are so many

980
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: things that exist in the pac twelve as barriers, uh

981
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: of of entry, just the basic enjoyment if you it's

982
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: it's very hard to find a place to be able

983
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 1: to watch it on TV. It's it's overly difficult to

984
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: be able to find a way to watch it on

985
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: TV that fits with the modern American budget. In their

986
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: own household, it's very hard to be able to take

987
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 1: your family out to tailgate nowadays, it's very hard to

988
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: be able to take your family to a game that

989
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: tips off and you're not going to get home until

990
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: midnight on a school night. Like everything is all designed

991
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: so that people on the East Coast can have a

992
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 1: good time watching game as they work their night shift

993
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: in a toll booth. I don't know so. Also, well,

994
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: also you can report back to the networks and say like, hey,

995
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: when there was nothing else on, we got a lot

996
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: of viewers in Rhode Island yep, yep, and the numbers.

997
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: But then when it comes to negotiate negotiation time, they're

998
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: gonna be like, well, look, you guys only average a

999
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: million fans per per game. What are you gonna say

1000
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: in that moment? What are you gonna say? Well, but

1001
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: the NFL like, no, no, no, it's it's our time slide,

1002
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: It's it's our time side. If you give us a

1003
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: better time side, I promise we'll do better. Get out

1004
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: of here. Um on a on a On a more

1005
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: positive note, though, according to Andy Cats his predictions for

1006
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: the brackets for March Madness, guess how many Pack twelve

1007
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: teams there are? Ralph? Uh is it five? No, sir,

1008
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: we're banging on number six. So right now they have

1009
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: Arizona State as an eight, seed, USC as a nine,

1010
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: Arizona as a five, Oregon as a four, Stanford as

1011
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 1: an eleven, and Colorado as a seven. Did you notice

1012
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 1: whose name I did not mention? I did not hear

1013
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: Did I not hear USC? No? You did hear U

1014
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: s C. They right now have USC as A ninety.

1015
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: The name that you did not hear is the team

1016
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 1: that's leading the Pack twelve, and that's u c l A.

1017
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: He they're not predicted to be in the tournament yet, no, sir,

1018
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: not a not acording to Andy cats Ah, they're the

1019
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 1: best team in the Pack twelve. But it truthfully, that's

1020
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 1: not it's not it's not common that a that a

1021
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: the Vision Sun or a not not on a division

1022
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 1: but a conference winner doesn't get into the tournament. But

1023
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: it has happened well, and then it happens in all

1024
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: these tiny conferences, right when like Oakland. Oakland comes into

1025
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 1: their conference tournament at fifteen and fifteen, gets hot, battles

1026
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: off four winds, and then all of a sudden, whoever

1027
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: wins that conference might have been twenty eight and two

1028
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: and they don't get to you know, they have to

1029
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 1: go play in the n I T or whatever. But

1030
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: in the Pact twelve, that shouldn't be the case. Especially

1031
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: with the way that u c l a Is playing.

1032
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: They are on fire. There's so much fun to watch. Yeah,

1033
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: it is McK cronin who people were questioning at the

1034
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 1: beginning of the year. I think it is by far

1035
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 1: a landslide a shoe in that he's back twelve Coach

1036
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: of the Year unless the unless the football coaches are

1037
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: voting again, I think, well, um, I think stuff really,

1038
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 1: I think it still unsettled. I think if a s

1039
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: U sneaks a couple of wins and and U c

1040
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 1: l A falls off a little bit, then there's a

1041
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: possibility in this last weekend here, um that Hurley gets

1042
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: a couple of votes. But I do think that U

1043
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: c l A. Um, I do think that based on

1044
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't they start like eight and nine.

1045
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 1: I think that they really deserve as much consideration as

1046
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 1: they can get for the tournament, for any postseason awards.

1047
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: I'm just loving it. They had a fantastic weekend. They

1048
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: beat um Arizona, which I know that Sean Miller hates

1049
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: because I think that those two are old rivals from

1050
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 1: the Xavier Cincinnati days. Uh and so so do you

1051
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: think he got thrown out of that game on purpose?

1052
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:46,439
Speaker 1: Because he got thrown out into what the first have, right? Miller? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

1053
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: I think that he just he he didn't like being

1054
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 1: around Cronan at all. I mean that's a fact, and

1055
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 1: and I mean he he probably needed a break from

1056
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 1: watching his team play, to be honest, because they're the

1057
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: most frustrating team in the entire pack to of they

1058
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 1: are mega talented, they almost always have the best big

1059
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: man on the court, and they have a point guard

1060
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: who has the ability to take over the game and

1061
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 1: just sort of stays a little bit passive, and then

1062
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 1: they just jack threes like crazy for no reason. I

1063
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 1: think they had back to back games in l A

1064
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 1: where they shot under thirty from three, and they just

1065
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 1: kept shooting them. And I don't understand that. I understand

1066
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 1: why they don't. They aren't going download as econogy, and

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01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: I just don't understand why they don't take advantage of

1068
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 1: the fact that they have skilled big men. So maybe

1069
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 1: Sean Miller just needed a break from watching his own

1070
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: team play because they are He was like, I'm sticking this,

1071
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 1: I'm out of here, oh man. And then the USC

1072
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 1: played some great defense over the weekend. They get wins

1073
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 1: over Arizona and Arizona State. I just defensively, I think

1074
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 1: that they're they're incredible. Um, yeah, it's it's an interesting

1075
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: conference where anybody has a chance to win. But the

1076
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 1: fact that the University of Arizona can just keep tanking

1077
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 1: road game after road game after road game and and

1078
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 1: probably end up the highest seed in the entire princes

1079
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 1: really confusing to me, and it's why I don't pay

1080
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 1: much attention to any of the bracketology or anything because

1081
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 1: the more I try to understand it, the less I understand.

1082
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 1: And uh and ultimately, when they set the seeds anyway,

1083
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 1: you have to beat everybody in order to win, right,

1084
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:15,479
Speaker 1: So it doesn't really matter where you're put you gotta

1085
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 1: win out. UM. But it is gonna be weird to see,

1086
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 1: you know, University of Arizona possibly finished sixth or something

1087
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 1: in the conference have the highest seed, while u c

1088
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: l A wins the conference, maybe it doesn't go to

1089
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 1: the tournament at all. Yeah, So that that's why I

1090
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 1: have a hard time with this. UM. Well, the only

1091
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 1: thing that I have a trouble with is the is

1092
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 1: the damn net rankings. That's what I can't get my

1093
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 1: mind around that they use these quadrant one games. How

1094
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 1: you win, how you play because Arizona State, I'm sorry,

1095
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 1: Arizona is nineteen and twenty four and five on the road,

1096
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 1: one in three and uh neutral site three and one

1097
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:00,439
Speaker 1: in neutral sight games and twelve and three at home,

1098
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 1: but their net ranking is higher than Oregon by so

1099
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 1: their net ranking is ten in the country. Oregons is eighteen,

1100
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 1: Colorado is twenty three. Stanford then you go all the

1101
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 1: way down to SC at thirty nine, like it just

1102
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 1: Arizona State at forty nine, and you're like, how, like,

1103
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 1: how does this make sense when Arizona it's only beaten

1104
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 1: one ranked team the entire season, and that was Colorado.

1105
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 1: Everybody else they lost suit Yeah, and watch them, I mean,

1106
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 1: let's just it. Watch them play. They are infuriating. And

1107
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: that's what the numbers don't respect any of that. The

1108
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 1: numbers don't respect the fact that you watch an Arizona

1109
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 1: team that absolutely passes the Eyeball test and should be

1110
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 1: running teams by twenty but it just struggles, struggles through

1111
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: every single one of these games. Um, and and then

1112
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 1: you might look at that and say, well, like then, yeah,

1113
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 1: and then it knows exactly you know, then it's it

1114
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 1: knows exactly what it's doing because it's writing on potential

1115
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 1: and talent and and and and the way that they've

1116
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 1: stacked up against you know, previous nonconference teams. But at

1117
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 1: the same time, like the results of the results, like

1118
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 1: you said earlier in the show, you know, when you

1119
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 1: when you can actually watch somebody play and see that

1120
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 1: you know, how how incredibly underwhelming they are, and realize that,

1121
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 1: you know, this underperforming that they do every single week

1122
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 1: might actually be their character. Maybe they're actually performing up

1123
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 1: to par, you know, And then to see them rewarded

1124
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 1: um in spite of all that is is just incredibly confusing.

1125
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 1: And then the exact opposite is happening to U c

1126
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:43,479
Speaker 1: l A. Like, there's nothing in these rankings that really

1127
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 1: respect the fact that a team can change who they

1128
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 1: are and their line up and the way that they're functioning,

1129
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 1: and the earlier part of the season can mean absolutely nothing.

1130
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: And that's that's the truth really when it comes around

1131
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 1: to the tournament is the early part of the season

1132
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 1: is three or four months old at me, is nothing anymore.

1133
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 1: All of these teams are new and different in the

1134
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 1: way that they rotate, in the way that they attack,

1135
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 1: and the way they figured things out. So taking an

1136
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 1: entire season into context for how a tournament should be seated,

1137
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 1: that happens at the end. It has always been something

1138
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 1: that I've never been a huge fan of this year.

1139
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:20,440
Speaker 1: It's just it's just out there, you know where where

1140
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 1: it's very obvious that Arizona is kind of a bad

1141
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 1: basketball team and they're getting a whole lot of love

1142
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 1: from mathematicians. Oh yeah. And then you look at Oregon situation.

1143
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 1: What what are they going to be without Duarte? You know,

1144
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 1: he's one of their leading scorers. They don't get a

1145
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 1: whole lot of scoring out of their front court, like

1146
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 1: their backcourt is where the money's made. So we'll see

1147
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 1: what happens with that. But guess where we may not

1148
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 1: be seeing that happened at Ralph in person. We may

1149
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 1: not be seeing March madness in the n C Double

1150
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 1: A tournament in person and live for games because of

1151
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 1: this nasty coronavirus. So um there are unlike leagues have

1152
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 1: been putting out reports. NBA told guys, don't shake hands,

1153
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 1: don't sign autographs, don't take basketball's, all of these things

1154
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 1: because you can be putting yourself at risk. And we

1155
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 1: don't know how many people are infected at all of

1156
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 1: this stuff. Not enough people tested all of us. So

1157
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 1: at this point, I'm just sitting there and I'm saying, well,

1158
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 1: I read an article about that the n C double

1159
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 1: A is considering not letting fans into games for March

1160
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 1: Madness and just having the games played for television, And

1161
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 1: that just like sent me down this whole rabbit hole

1162
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 1: of thought. I was like, could this be like Spern

1163
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 1: or spawn a new like like way of viewing sports,

1164
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 1: because there are some sports who have dwindling live attendance

1165
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 1: but do well or television, they could sell interactive subscriptions

1166
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 1: the way you could hear in the huddle, or maybe

1167
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 1: you could um, you know, like live betting if you're

1168
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 1: wired in to the like all sorts of things, like

1169
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 1: I see this as a potential future thing. Then just

1170
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 1: scary with the coronavirus. Right now, that's horse racing. Now

1171
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 1: that's horse racing. You can't be everywhere all the time.

1172
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 1: There's yet there's tracks all over the United States constantly

1173
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 1: running races. If you ever go to one of these

1174
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 1: Vegas sports books, you can have a feed into any

1175
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 1: race that's kicking off or starting or whatever the word

1176
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 1: is for when horses start to run. Any any race

1177
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 1: that's about to start, you just have a live feed

1178
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 1: into whatever that is. You got the you got the

1179
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 1: live betting, and you can just kind of park yourself

1180
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 1: out there and fill up your ash tray all days

1181
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 1: you bet on the ponies, and and I think that

1182
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:55,639
Speaker 1: you know, that's why I've always been sort of um

1183
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:59,759
Speaker 1: amused at the hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars

1184
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 1: that all of these schools are pumping into stadium upgrades,

1185
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 1: when the truth of the matter is, pretty soon we're

1186
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 1: not gonna be going to games at all. We are

1187
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 1: moving closer and closer to a world that is like

1188
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 1: Wally right, or or like, uh, what is it in

1189
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 1: um that fahrenheit four Fife where they have like the

1190
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 1: full wall screens and everything. All the entertainment is just

1191
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 1: brought straight to you and you don't really have a

1192
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 1: reason to leave your home. Amazon's delivering all your goods,

1193
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 1: um networks are delivering all of your entertainment and uh,

1194
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 1: and you're able to tele commute for your job, and

1195
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:37,120
Speaker 1: there's no real reason to leave the home at all. Like,

1196
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:40,639
Speaker 1: that's that's our future. That's everything that we're moving toward

1197
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 1: is convenience, right, And it's not necessarily convenient to have

1198
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 1: to go out to these games and spend all this

1199
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 1: money and everything. And that's what always made me laugh about.

1200
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 1: You know, I think as you just put four million

1201
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 1: dollars into renovating Sun Devil Stadium, when the truth is

1202
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 1: all people really wanted at sun Devil Stadium. You know

1203
01:09:57,320 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 1: what people wanted the most. Men wanted to not have

1204
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 1: to pee in troughs. They wanted some urinals, but they

1205
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 1: could live without. They could live without them. What people

1206
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:09,759
Speaker 1: really wanted more than anything, George, is just the ability

1207
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 1: to not have their signal blocks so they could dick

1208
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 1: around on their phones during the game. That's all anybody wants.

1209
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 1: They just want to be able to go to a

1210
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 1: game but also be able to see what's going on

1211
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 1: on Twitter. Right. They didn't care that they had to

1212
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 1: sit on metal bleachers. They didn't care that some of

1213
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:27,760
Speaker 1: the seats were too far away. The mega donors who

1214
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 1: go out to the games and want to be super comfortable,

1215
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 1: they care, and they got all their big suites built

1216
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 1: and everything like that. But the truth is all anybody

1217
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 1: really wants out of a game is to have a

1218
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:40,400
Speaker 1: good time. And right now, in our culture, having a

1219
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 1: good time includes being on your phone, being connected with

1220
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 1: your online community at the same time as your in

1221
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 1: person community. But I think that that means that we're

1222
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 1: ultimately moving towards a world and in which our online

1223
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 1: communities are probably our cities. See. And I thought about

1224
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 1: it as that aspect of it, But then the actual

1225
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 1: game impact because I'm a huge March Madness fan, and

1226
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of the upsets. I'm a fan of

1227
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 1: all of it, and and I got to thinking as

1228
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:13,719
Speaker 1: a as a player, fans actually impact the game, especially

1229
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:16,679
Speaker 1: in a close game or a potential upset. The other

1230
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:21,440
Speaker 1: team gets tight, or the uh the underdog the Cinderella

1231
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:24,640
Speaker 1: story starts to gain momentum, the crowd can kind of

1232
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 1: feel it. I just imagine playing a game with the

1233
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 1: with the ball echoing off the wall, and how it

1234
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 1: would actually impact. Obviously, we we won't know because you

1235
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 1: don't know. It's not like you can play the game

1236
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 1: with both sets of uh like epiment. Yeah, So I

1237
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 1: wonder how it will impact. Would all the higher seeds,

1238
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:52,120
Speaker 1: when would there be more upsets and less upsets. I'm

1239
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 1: just wondering how it will play out without the fans there.

1240
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 1: But you could you could recreate some of this because

1241
01:11:57,439 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 1: if people might think of that, like, oh, how crazy

1242
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 1: would it be? Just have an empty stadium and then

1243
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 1: maybe the broadcast actually produces some of those crowd noises

1244
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 1: just for our ambiance. How weird would that be? And

1245
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people would reject that idea

1246
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:14,479
Speaker 1: and act like, we didn't grow up watching multicam shows

1247
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 1: with canned laughter or studio laughter. Our entire lives of

1248
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 1: like them telling us when to laugh or when to

1249
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:22,719
Speaker 1: say odd during fresh Prince of bel Air or step

1250
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 1: by step like that that was what we grew up

1251
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:30,160
Speaker 1: when we literally grew up with canned responses, guided responses

1252
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 1: two things. So it's very possible that the future of

1253
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 1: consuming sport includes fake crowd noise just so that it

1254
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 1: eases us into the transition of watching people play in

1255
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 1: an empty stadium. I could totally see something like that happening.

1256
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 1: I could even also see, uh, the ability for crowds

1257
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 1: to participate in crowd noise from home. Right we you

1258
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,679
Speaker 1: and I were just laughing at this whole like, uh,

1259
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:01,680
Speaker 1: culture of of like only face ends where people conduct

1260
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 1: their sordid relationships through the internet. But they're you know,

1261
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 1: they're like tipping these women live and it's making like

1262
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:10,760
Speaker 1: a cash registered sound every time they do it. What

1263
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:12,600
Speaker 1: if you were at home and your team made a

1264
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 1: good play and you could just push a button and

1265
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:17,599
Speaker 1: on the other end they hear cheering, and you hear

1266
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 1: it also through your uh through the way that you're

1267
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 1: receiving the broadcast. I think the future of sports going

1268
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:26,680
Speaker 1: to be super weird. But at the same time, there

1269
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 1: are a lot of ways that we're sort of being

1270
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:31,320
Speaker 1: conditioned to it in the lead up to it. It's

1271
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:33,479
Speaker 1: the whole thing of like a frog doesn't realize that

1272
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 1: it's boiling alive if it happens slowly, And I think

1273
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:39,320
Speaker 1: that with with so many things you know, we have

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Speaker 1: right now, you can watch the all twenty two footage,

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Speaker 1: you know, you can you can watch other people watch games,

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01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 1: which is becoming really really popular, not only with like

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01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:50,679
Speaker 1: my kids love to watch other people play video games

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01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:54,639
Speaker 1: instead of them playing themselves, which I criticized, and they

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01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 1: reminded me that I'm not in the NBA, So every

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01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 1: time I watch an NBA game, that's exactly what I'm doing,

1281
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 1: which is a little shocking and humbling to hear. But

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01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 1: at the same time, like I could, I could see

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01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 1: a future for us where we are, um, we are

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01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 1: watching other people watch games because we don't just want

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01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 1: to see the game. We want to see what you know.

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01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 1: ESPN has that thing where they have like four head

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01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:20,920
Speaker 1: coaches who may or may not be employed, or maybe

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01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 1: they've been eliminated, or or they coach elsewhere in the conference,

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01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 1: and you just watched those coaches react to the game

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Speaker 1: in real time. I love that stuff. I'd pay extra

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01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 1: money to watch Charles Barkley and Shack watch the games

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01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 1: that they're watching during the commercial breaks or during their

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01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 1: dead time. That's the future of entertainment. The future of

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01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 1: entertainment includes sitting in your house and deciding who you

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01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 1: want to be with as they also watch. I mean,

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01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 1: look at look at what Andy Cohen does with the

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01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 1: Real Housewives. They watch stuff. If you watch ninety Fiancee

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01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:59,640
Speaker 1: or Married at First Sight, they actually have people a

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01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 1: little after many shows watching people watch the shows exactly

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01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 1: and and and people don't realize, like one of the

1301
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 1: biggest video content economies that was created in the era

1302
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:14,160
Speaker 1: of YouTube wasn't just the YouTube videos that go viral,

1303
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:17,639
Speaker 1: but the reaction videos to those. But we watch people

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01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:20,679
Speaker 1: watch other things, and so you know, it might sound

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01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:23,200
Speaker 1: incredibly shocking to say, oh, we're gonna play March Madness

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01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:25,760
Speaker 1: without any fans and attendance. And I don't think that

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01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 1: it's feasible or even um beneficial to say we should

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01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 1: just ultimately have March Madness without any fans and attendance,

1309
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 1: because obviously that's just another way for the n C

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01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 1: Double A to monetize that tournament, and and you know,

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01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:42,400
Speaker 1: making money is what they're all about. But if there

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01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:45,680
Speaker 1: ever comes a day when when um, the money is

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01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 1: better on the other side of this, then there is

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01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 1: to just have the fans and attendance, and we we

1315
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:54,800
Speaker 1: continue to overpopulate and need other space for more residential things.

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01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:57,759
Speaker 1: You know, I could see arenas getting torn down and

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01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:01,679
Speaker 1: and essentially like practice facilities that that have a million

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01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:05,760
Speaker 1: different camera angles built into them hosting these games and

1319
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 1: we all ultimately just watched them from home. I could

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01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 1: see that happening. Um, maybe maybe that's not in our lifetime,

1321
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:13,640
Speaker 1: maybe it's a few decades away. But when I hear like,

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01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 1: no fans at March Madness because of a virus scare,

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01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:20,080
Speaker 1: all I say is like, that's just the little preview

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01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:25,719
Speaker 1: of the inevitable. Yep. Yeah, I think there's so much

1325
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:29,760
Speaker 1: like to unpack with that, because you we don't know

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01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 1: what the future holds, and technologies can actually make it

1327
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 1: even more fun for us to disconnect without connect, disconnecting

1328
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 1: and connect with other people connecting with the disconnect. So,

1329
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:48,160
Speaker 1: but the last thing we got up is is um

1330
01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 1: an email, So you guys don't forget. If you guys

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01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:52,800
Speaker 1: want to hit us up, I'm mad at Unafraid show

1332
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 1: dot com, shoot us an email. We will obviously read it,

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01:16:56,600 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 1: read it on the show. Um. Dear George and Ralph,

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01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 1: let me start off by saying, I'm a fan of

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01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:06,760
Speaker 1: the show. Okay, so side side note that means you

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01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 1: are a good, smart human being. Hope you're sharing just

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01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:14,679
Speaker 1: like everybody listening. Uh. The point of view you guys

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01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 1: bring forth is very similar to what you would hear

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01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:19,639
Speaker 1: from a typical Pack twelve fan. You keep it real

1340
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:22,679
Speaker 1: and that's why I listened. Last week. You guys poked

1341
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:25,719
Speaker 1: fun at the people and the mindset of not backing

1342
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:28,639
Speaker 1: the pack, and I found it funny how you made

1343
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:31,559
Speaker 1: fun of it but then explained it like you supported it.

1344
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:37,520
Speaker 1: Let me explain, I like Joe Haley and against that mindset.

1345
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:40,639
Speaker 1: I will be that way until Larry Scott is gone,

1346
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:44,720
Speaker 1: because he's just digging a bigger hole for the conference,

1347
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:48,800
Speaker 1: as if he's trying to dig to China. Being against

1348
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 1: the back to pack only applies when it doesn't help

1349
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:55,760
Speaker 1: your team. For example, I'm not gonna root for Washington

1350
01:17:55,840 --> 01:18:00,639
Speaker 1: against Michigan. If my team doesn't play Washington, it doesn't

1351
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 1: benefit my team at all. I will root for, say,

1352
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 1: USC to beat Bama because my team, as you, plays

1353
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 1: them and it looks like a better win. That's not

1354
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 1: the back to pack mindset entails. And I think it's

1355
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:17,880
Speaker 1: hysterical that you trash the mindset but then immediately agreed

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01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:26,920
Speaker 1: with it. Sincerely, William Okay, William um. I think understanding

1357
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:31,280
Speaker 1: a viewpoint that is opposed to your own is important.

1358
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily mean think that that means that you

1359
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 1: agree with it. Now you are you are all the

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01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:41,200
Speaker 1: way George on the side of like, hey we should

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01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:45,759
Speaker 1: we we should back to pack, right, and I'm probably

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01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 1: more in the middle. But I think that it's important

1363
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 1: to understand what people are talking about when when they

1364
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 1: talk about these things, you know, And I think I

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01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 1: tried to use a few illustrations for why I believe

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01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:01,720
Speaker 1: that back to pack is important, but why I understand

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01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:05,160
Speaker 1: why somebody wouldn't want to. You know, my neighbor, my

1368
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 1: next door neighbor, h elderly couple, eighty year old man

1369
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:12,560
Speaker 1: is a lifelong sports memorabilia dealer, and I just I

1370
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 1: got I met him for the first time as I

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01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 1: learned he was moving away, and had a couple of

1372
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 1: interesting chats with him. They just sold their house and

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01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 1: it's a it's about a thousand square feet smaller than mine,

1374
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:25,479
Speaker 1: but they're my next door neighbor. They just sold their

1375
01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 1: house for what I bought my house for three years ago. Now,

1376
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:34,720
Speaker 1: you know this neighborhood. Obviously, anything good that happens for

1377
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:38,880
Speaker 1: anybody in this neighborhood could potentially have an effect on

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01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 1: the rest of us. Right, But him selling his house

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01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 1: and him having a monetary gain from selling his house,

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01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily directly do anything good for me, but

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01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 1: it could. I mean it, because he had success. It

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01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 1: opens up the door for me to potentially have success

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01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:00,679
Speaker 1: if I go down that same road. Know, So there's

1384
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:02,640
Speaker 1: that way of sort of looking at how back the

1385
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:05,320
Speaker 1: pack might be a good idea. That's what what's good

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01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:08,360
Speaker 1: for him didn't directly impact me as good for me,

1387
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 1: But if I wanted to go down that same route,

1388
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 1: it could um then there's the other way of looking

1389
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 1: at it, of like the team scenario. If you are

1390
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 1: the backup quarterback of a team and the starting quarterback

1391
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 1: takes every snap and goes out and wins every single game,

1392
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 1: that essentially keeps you on the bench. So it's not

1393
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:29,360
Speaker 1: necessarily good for you personally, but you're also a member

1394
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:31,720
Speaker 1: of the team, which means that if you are the

1395
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:35,000
Speaker 1: backup quarterback in Kansas City and you just want a

1396
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:39,120
Speaker 1: super Bowl because of Patrick Mahomes, it was good for

1397
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:42,120
Speaker 1: you in one way and maybe not good for you

1398
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 1: in another, in that you're a competitor and you want

1399
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:47,599
Speaker 1: to be the starting quarterback. Right, So that there's multiple

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01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 1: ways to look at this, and I think that it's

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01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:52,640
Speaker 1: important to understand that. I think the Pack twelve functions

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01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:57,559
Speaker 1: sort of like the team scenario of saying like, Okay,

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01:20:57,680 --> 01:20:59,760
Speaker 1: if it's good for the conference, if you're a fan

1404
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 1: of the conference, then great, it's sort of good for

1405
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:07,000
Speaker 1: you too. But somebody else's success doesn't necessarily mean that

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01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:10,200
Speaker 1: you're successful. Because you're a competitor and you want to

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01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:13,200
Speaker 1: have individual success. I get that, But the neighborhood view

1408
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:17,320
Speaker 1: is what happens good around you could potentially have a

1409
01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:21,760
Speaker 1: positive impact on you as well. And so that's why

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01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:23,559
Speaker 1: I'm kind of in the in the middle of it.

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01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:26,040
Speaker 1: But I do understand why somebody would just say no.

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01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:28,719
Speaker 1: It's like the an Rand view of like, I'm whatever

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01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:30,600
Speaker 1: is good for me is good for me, and if

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01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 1: it happens to be good for some other people, too, great,

1415
01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:35,800
Speaker 1: But I'm worried about myself. I think understanding that is okay,

1416
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:39,599
Speaker 1: But it doesn't mean that I agree that you should

1417
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 1: only be worried about yourself because it's multi factorial. That's

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01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:47,800
Speaker 1: just what I agree with you, Ralph. You couldn't have

1419
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 1: said any any better. I mean, that's like the better

1420
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:55,760
Speaker 1: everybody else does. Then that way, if we get a

1421
01:21:55,760 --> 01:22:01,559
Speaker 1: new leader, you can negotiate right for more. That means

1422
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 1: that your team will won't lose out on recruits to

1423
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 1: your Arizona State team won't uh that way, when Colorado

1424
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:14,280
Speaker 1: comes comes calling for Arizona coaches, they can pay more

1425
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 1: to keep them. Or when yes, yes, yeah, or you're

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01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:20,800
Speaker 1: nailing it right now when you say that back to

1427
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:23,680
Speaker 1: pack doesn't necessarily have to apply to the way you

1428
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:26,559
Speaker 1: back to pack because good refs are better for everybody.

1429
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:28,960
Speaker 1: So you can get better reffing that as a positive

1430
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:31,080
Speaker 1: impact on everybody. You can get a better commissioner. That

1431
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:33,240
Speaker 1: is a part of So you got to back you

1432
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:36,599
Speaker 1: can you can back the pack in all things except

1433
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:39,760
Speaker 1: for contests on the field. But at some point, back

1434
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:43,439
Speaker 1: in the pack is the best way that you back yourself. Yep,

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01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:48,240
Speaker 1: and back to pack. Think about this, Arizona State fan.

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01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 1: Back to pack and maybe you don't lose your coordinator.

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01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:55,880
Speaker 1: I was sorry a coach to uh where where? Where?

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01:22:55,880 --> 01:23:02,800
Speaker 1: To Syracuse? Syracuse, Oklahoma to Sarahcuse Michigan the year before that. Yeah, yeah,

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01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:07,519
Speaker 1: I mean Okay, Oklahoma and Michigan. All right. I will

1440
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:09,800
Speaker 1: say that that's not a lateral move at this point

1441
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:12,519
Speaker 1: in point in time, even if you took the same position.

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01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 1: But Syracuse, No, No, have more resources. The way it

1443
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:21,800
Speaker 1: makes it very difficult for people to leave the way.

1444
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:24,160
Speaker 1: They're like, I don't know about that, I don't know

1445
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:26,800
Speaker 1: about taking that other job. I'm gonna stay right here.

1446
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:29,880
Speaker 1: But back to pack is definitely the way to go.

1447
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:34,479
Speaker 1: Everybody should be on board. Yes, self preservation in terms

1448
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 1: of when you're playing that team. However, you should want

1449
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:40,519
Speaker 1: the conference to look as good as possible, because that

1450
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 1: means more money, more resources, and better recruits. That means

1451
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 1: that other teams can't negative recruit your team or your

1452
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:51,800
Speaker 1: conference because they're like, hey, yo, hey yo. You know,

1453
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 1: if you go out to the back twelve game at

1454
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 1: Pack twelve school, nobody's gonna be able to see you play.

1455
01:23:57,840 --> 01:23:59,840
Speaker 1: You won't win a national championship or even go to

1456
01:23:59,880 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 1: a national championship. So you might as well come over.

1457
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 1: Come over here to this a CC. Come over here

1458
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:07,080
Speaker 1: to this Big ten where where we get Big twelve,

1459
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:10,479
Speaker 1: where we're getting it in. We we make it almost

1460
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:13,160
Speaker 1: every year and it's not really weird. It's like five teams,

1461
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 1: but but still they still use that. So back to

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01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 1: pack is the way to go. Um, thank you guys

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01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:24,760
Speaker 1: for listening to the Pack twelve Apostles. We appreciate your time,

1464
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:28,760
Speaker 1: appreciate your energy. Make sure that you share the Pack

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01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:32,200
Speaker 1: twelve Apostles with a friend, tell them about it. Leave

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01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:35,679
Speaker 1: a five star rating. Wherever you listen to podcasts, send

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Speaker 1: us an email if you want to get to us.

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01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:40,479
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01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:45,439
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Speaker 1: guys next episode.