1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: You go to Uh, it's not Brooklyn, it's New Jersey. 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 2: Bro draft, did you know you're going one when you 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 2: walked in the building. 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: It wasn't one hundred percent. I didn't hear that it 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: was one hundred percent. It ain't like now everybody. No, no, 6 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: it was people were debating if they was gonna take 7 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: the miles all because of injury. Yeah, that's it, the 8 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: young young phenom and but more power to him if 9 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 1: y'all want to take him. Hm. I was trying to 10 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 1: go where you went Orlando. 11 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 3: We wanted to go to Land really especially that next year. 12 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 3: Hell yeah, well that's a pretty good goddamn team though. 13 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: Now, no, that's that was the next year, not my 14 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: rookie year, right, the next year that's when y'all got 15 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: six games. We won twenty six games. My rookie year. 16 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: Next year, y'all got Kid and Kill and all that 17 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: carry got healthy. I was going into my second year. 18 00:00:55,760 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: They traded for j Kid, they drafted r J. Van 19 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: Horn was still. Yes, it was nice, was nice. It 20 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: was trying to make room for r J. 21 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 2: And the crazy thing about Keithan he had been perfect 22 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 2: next to you too. 23 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: Man, Now you know what I'm saying worked out because 24 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: he would guard the forest because he was too slow, 25 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: and I would guard the threes. Yeah, so he was 26 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: a space guy what I'm saying. So it worked. But 27 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 1: I just I think they were trying to make room 28 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: for r J. Because r J played well his rookie 29 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: year and they were trying to make room for him, 30 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: so they moved heap. 31 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken, In one of those years, I 32 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 3: was one of the top teams in the East. 33 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: They went to the finals twice. Yeah, yeah, the first 34 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: year your J kid got there. Yeah. Yeah, we doubled 35 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: our we doubled our win total. 36 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: Talk they talk about that on the finals, was that 37 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 2: unexpected Lakers and Spurs unexpected the first year, especially unexpected. 38 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: Man, we didn't make the playoffs the year before, and 39 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: you don't go from yeah, that don't happen, not making 40 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: a play, not making the play offs to the final. 41 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 1: It don't happen. That don't happen. My second year, twenty 42 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: three years old, like, look, I got here. I get 43 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: here right, just playing basketball, don't know nothing else, just hooping. 44 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: NBA is still fairly but it's fresh. I'm sure I'm 45 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: older because I got four years of colleague experience. All that. 46 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: Still the NBA, don't it don't matter. We beat until 47 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: we get past Indiana in the first round. We botting 48 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: this when the first round was still five games right crazy. 49 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: So we battle in Indiana, we think we got him. 50 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: Reggie hit and shot at the buzzer, which we all 51 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: think was late. Tied up. We're going to double overtime, 52 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: and we beat Indiana in the first round. Man, it 53 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: was like, okay, go to the second round. It's like 54 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: four to the second round, Like, okay, we get to 55 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: East Comes Final, like be the good Boston team. It's like, 56 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: all right, up NeXT's that Oh lord, shock the diesel 57 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: truck right that? Man, Listen, dog, I don't think I'll 58 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: be trying to explain to people. Man. And if you 59 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: didn't experience playing against two thousand, two thousand and one, 60 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: two thousand and two, Shaquille O'Neill. 61 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 2: I'm so glad you're touched on this because I was 62 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 2: so sick at the end of my career or at 63 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 2: the shack Strew when I was still playing, and people like, 64 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, y'all, y'all wish y'all see them eight 65 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 2: years ago. 66 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 3: Like but honestly like and in a different way that 67 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 3: you had the same healthy feel with mother had to 68 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 3: play against you. It was a different It was the 69 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 3: same thing like these mother will dominate you like it, 70 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 3: embarrass you or dunk on your ass and push you 71 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 3: down and knock you down like you could. Everybody wouldn't 72 00:03:57,840 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 3: couldn't get in the ring with these boys, like you 73 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. And listen, there want too many 74 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 3: people that got me worked up. But I knew when 75 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 3: I had it. I was like, man, I gotta bring 76 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 3: my or we're gonna get it if I don't he 77 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 3: coming with it. I came out drinking it and all 78 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 3: that book because I gotta be. 79 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: And the thing is I probably was the crazy ship 80 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 1: is my ass is probably after the night, But like 81 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: I know what it's going to be. 82 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 3: Listen, one day, I remember one game I was playing, 83 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 3: so goddamn scratch you remember. 84 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 1: That long scratched. I'm young. You got to cut your guy. 85 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: He told me, your fellow, you gotta cut you there, 86 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: say my bad man cut them. 87 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 3: He talked where the next time I saw, I'm saying, man, 88 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 3: and I worked so goddamn hard that night. Killer like 89 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 3: him like Zebo. First of all, I'm trying not even 90 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 3: let you catch it, because if I let you catch it, 91 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 3: then I'm at your mercy. 92 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: I know how good you are. My defense started when 93 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: you crossed the half court. Absolutely, I said, yes day 94 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: on the podcast we was talking about yesterday, I said, 95 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: on the show, listen it starts, yeah, man, but I 96 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: knew we're gonna So. The thing is, when you play 97 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 1: a certain way and certain guys play a certain way, 98 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: we never get into it. Yeah, that's right. Expect we 99 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: never get into it. We always get into it. But 100 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: want to play that this that we know this is 101 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: not how you play doll stop. Yeah right, cut the 102 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: man like. We're not finna do this tonight with you, 103 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: dog like, because you know what, if I turn it up, 104 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: then it's gonna exactly right, exactly Me and you z Bo, 105 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: certain guy, we always kept it here. We're gonna battle, 106 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 1: and it's gonna be that love, that respect always. We 107 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: ain't gonna because it's it's mutual respect, man for on 108 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: the respect and each possession means something. Yes, right, If 109 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: more people and more the product would be a lot better. 110 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: These kids are very skilled, good all that, but if 111 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 1: they played the game, like we know each possession, man, 112 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: that means something. I ain't gonna like it was. I 113 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: think he was there. 114 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 3: Was you that year when Riley came in and put 115 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 3: no shock was there. We're in the locker room, we 116 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 3: wait for Rose to come in. We're getting ready for 117 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 3: a game. I think it's actually it might I think 118 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 3: it was the finest when we played against Dallas and 119 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 3: we got we we lost the first two games on 120 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 3: the road. We come back home and we got three 121 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 3: games straight before we leave. This mother come in the 122 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:17,559 Speaker 3: locker room with a bucket of water. Mother sticky bucket 123 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 3: of ice water. Stick his head in the ice water. 124 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 3: Were looking around like what is he doing? 125 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: Now? 126 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 3: Thirty seconds go by? Now we had like forty seconds. 127 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 3: He took his head out of the ice water. Face reddi, 128 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 3: you gotta want this game like you want your last breath. 129 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 3: Oh damn back yo, like like on that kind of 130 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 3: like that you know what I'm saying. But like you said, 131 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 3: like every possession was like the last possession. 132 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 1: I know that was a little extreme, but to his point, 133 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 1: like see, I ain't wrapped too tight, I ain't go 134 00:06:55,080 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: back in. Let me say how bad you really want? 135 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 3: Listen that about for the second he went, as long 136 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 3: as you can give me another twenty. 137 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: Face was red. 138 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 3: Hell here, you gotta want this when like you want 139 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 3: your last breath. We thought that was crazy, but we 140 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 3: understood the message. We understood the message though. 141 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: So y'all. So the year after the lockout, you know, 142 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: I was supposed to come down there. So yeah, I 143 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: remember that. I remember hearing rumblings about that I came 144 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: on to visit. I was on the road, I came 145 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: down there. 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