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Speaker 1: to The Talking Cowboys break and Welcome to the end
Speaker 1: of preseason. Who mercifully whoa? We got the whole crew.
Speaker 1: We got a special crew in today Rob Phillips joined
Speaker 1: by an all star cast, Nick Even, Mickey Spagnola, David Hellman,
Speaker 1: Kent Garrison producing. I want to break down an All
Speaker 1: Star game last night, No no, I said thirty seconds
Speaker 1: on Twitter. What do you think is that time? Twenty
Speaker 1: five too many to me? Well, let's move on. Let's
Speaker 1: start talking regular season stuff. Let's do that for the
Speaker 1: next hour. You guys can give us a call if
Speaker 1: you would like. I don't know the phone number, Ken,
Speaker 1: I know it's changed from training camp. It's eight eight
Speaker 1: eight eight five two nine seven. Oh. It was a
Speaker 1: call this morning, the old reliable. All right, how is everybody?
Speaker 1: But he made it back and some some transportation. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm great man. Got six good hours asleep, Got get
Speaker 1: your purple and gold on some breakfast tacos LSU plays
Speaker 1: here in Dallas and forty eight hours. I'm ready to go. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody good? Nick? No, whoa tired? Okay? Okay, I like
Speaker 1: your honesty, man, I'm gonna be honest. All right, Nick
Speaker 1: just landed hustled on over here. I'm good. We're good. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well I'm good too, because we have like some substance
Speaker 1: to get into now, you know, And not that these
Speaker 1: last four games weren't, but I think we entered last
Speaker 1: night's game. By the way Cowboys lose fourteen to six
Speaker 1: to the Texans in Houston last night in the preseason finale,
Speaker 1: I think we knew most of the spots that were
Speaker 1: potentially up for grabs out of the fifty three and uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody really want a spot last night.
Speaker 1: We can get into that, but we can also move
Speaker 1: forward and see what's next for this team as they
Speaker 1: start to get ready for Carolina in a few days.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that when you look at what
Speaker 1: they tried to do, it sounds like, you know, first
Speaker 1: play of the game, they just threw the ball deep
Speaker 1: to Lenore. It was like they're gonna give Lance Lenore
Speaker 1: an opportunity to do something. It sounded like they had
Speaker 1: their minds made up, or looked like it with Deonte Thompson.
Speaker 1: But change our mind. You know, Lance, we were gonna
Speaker 1: throw you the ball a lot. We're gonna make you
Speaker 1: do some punt returns a lot. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if he had a decent game number wise, but I
Speaker 1: still don't ten catches, I mean nine catches, sixty nine
Speaker 1: yards that was. He was the star of the game, Dave.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's if you want to call, if you
Speaker 1: if you could get it, if you could have a
Speaker 1: takeaway from what actually happened on the field other than
Speaker 1: this sucks. It was that they clearly wanted to put
Speaker 1: Lance on tape. Do I mean he did punts? I
Speaker 1: think he even did some kicks. He covered kicks and punts.
Speaker 1: He got nine receptions. They wore him out, Hey, yeah
Speaker 1: they I mean he worked for it, he earned his
Speaker 1: preseason paycheck, and we'll see what it means for him. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I don't even know if changed my change their minds
Speaker 1: the right word, because me personally, I think Deante Thompson's
Speaker 1: on this team regardless. I mean, if he really maybe
Speaker 1: he could really convince him to take seven receivers instead
Speaker 1: of six. But but I don't know. UM, we'll see,
Speaker 1: we'll see what it means for him. If I had
Speaker 1: to guess, it's gonna be a waiver situation for him
Speaker 1: where maybe he stays here on the practice squad, or
Speaker 1: maybe he's put something that That's the thing we don't
Speaker 1: talk about a lot either, is that he might be
Speaker 1: putting a resume out there for somebody else. You know,
Speaker 1: Lance Lenore could be a Arizona cardinal by this time
Speaker 1: at the end of the weekend, for sure. Cuts on Saturday, Mick,
Speaker 1: they gotta cut this thing down from I think they're
Speaker 1: at eighty nine right now. Can you keep seven receivers
Speaker 1: in four tight ends? I feel like if a running
Speaker 1: team just you, you absolutely could you could. But why
Speaker 1: expect not just a running team, But like, have they
Speaker 1: really been that amazing all the way through the depth
Speaker 1: chart at either position? I don't think so. It's almost
Speaker 1: like they're just so average at both positions that you
Speaker 1: just might as well keep a bunch and hope something sticks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is Brian's argument on our show that why would
Speaker 1: you keep seven, Mick when nobody's really separating themselves. It's
Speaker 1: not like you've got seven alpha's in that group, you
Speaker 1: kind of got a bunch of guys some some have
Speaker 1: shown some things and some you know, they're they're rotation guys.
Speaker 1: At this point, nobody's really surfaced, So I don't know.
Speaker 1: And and then you factor in three quarterbacks too, because
Speaker 1: I don't think Mike White has done anything in these
Speaker 1: last couple of games to say, oh, we shouldn't keep him.
Speaker 1: I think he's shown enough to me in the last
Speaker 1: two games where he can you can develop him now
Speaker 1: the backup spot, I don't. I would. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I would sign a backup quarterback. You're there, You're there now.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's to me. That's another takeaway from last night.
Speaker 1: Cooper Rush gets the start again for Dak who's rested
Speaker 1: and struggles again. Yeah, I would. I just don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not trying to put you on the spot.
Speaker 1: But do you have a thought as to who that
Speaker 1: might be? No, I really don't. But but I'm if
Speaker 1: I if you saw me, if he showed me a
Speaker 1: list of who's available, I'm gonna just like excel sort
Speaker 1: by experience and go there. I want to go there,
Speaker 1: and I really because that's what I want more than anything,
Speaker 1: because I want some experience in the room there. He's
Speaker 1: not going to be that good. Whoever it's out there's
Speaker 1: not going to be very good. But he's probably won
Speaker 1: a game or two in the league, which is more
Speaker 1: than you could say. I guess For Cooper Rush, I
Speaker 1: just I don't know. I just don't see it. He
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily have to be cut. He could be the
Speaker 1: third quarterback, but I don't think they'll do that. I
Speaker 1: think they keep Mike quiet. I have a hard time
Speaker 1: articulating how I feel about that, because I'm not going
Speaker 1: to try to convince you that Cooper Rush is good
Speaker 1: or that you should feel good about him based on
Speaker 1: what we've seen. But I just don't really love my
Speaker 1: other options that much. ONNEST. I mean, like Mark Sanchez
Speaker 1: is there maybe, and he is I think suspended for
Speaker 1: at least a game or two or was that last year.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Like I've looked at this, I've looked
Speaker 1: at this. Everybody's sending the RG three stuff. Did he
Speaker 1: get cut? I think people expect him to get cut
Speaker 1: because Lamar Jackson is so obviously going to be your backup.
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, RG three does he do a ton
Speaker 1: for you. Jay Cutler's not signing on to be a backup,
Speaker 1: like you're gonna have to give him a boatload of
Speaker 1: money to come off of his reality show. I just
Speaker 1: I don't see anybody out there that just makes me think, like, yes,
Speaker 1: this is a definitive upgrade. I mean, sure Teddy Bridgewater
Speaker 1: would have been. I don't want to pay a third
Speaker 1: round pick for a guy that's not going to play,
Speaker 1: and so I'm just kind of I just kind of
Speaker 1: feel like Dak's twenty four, he's built like a linebacker.
Speaker 1: He'll be okay, and if he's not, then you deal
Speaker 1: with it when you can. And I don't love that.
Speaker 1: But if they wanted to have a better if they
Speaker 1: wanted to feel better about their options behind Dak, they
Speaker 1: should have done it in March. They could have signed
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater in March. Nothing was stopping him, and they didn't.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I just kind of basically, I just
Speaker 1: kind of feel like the Cowboys have made their bed.
Speaker 1: Do they want to spend the money at that position?
Speaker 1: I don't think so clearly. I think they've there and
Speaker 1: they've tried. I mean, you mentioned Sanchez, They've had Sanchez
Speaker 1: here before. They've had Matt Castle, they've had Brandon Weeden,
Speaker 1: who played for the Texans last night. Those guys didn't
Speaker 1: play well when they had a chance to come in
Speaker 1: and play. They've gone the route of let's develop a
Speaker 1: young guy behind a young guy cheaply and and hope
Speaker 1: that he develops. And I don't I don't fault Cooper
Speaker 1: Rush completely for the way he's played, especially the last
Speaker 1: couple of games. Pass production has not been good at
Speaker 1: all for him. The pick he threw the first picky
Speaker 1: through last night, total whiff. I think on the right side,
Speaker 1: Chaz Green broke down. I think a back miss to
Speaker 1: block maybe, and he forces it into double coverage. If
Speaker 1: you put him behind the Cowboys first team offensive line,
Speaker 1: if he had to come in a regular season situation,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe he's more efficient. I don't know, but the
Speaker 1: numbers are vastly different than they were last year when
Speaker 1: he led the preseason in the NFL with six touchdowns
Speaker 1: and no picks. I just don't like his body language.
Speaker 1: He just looks uncomfortable. He just doesn't look fluid out
Speaker 1: there for some reason. And now it could be that
Speaker 1: backup offensive line because they're terrible. Um, and there it
Speaker 1: is and no way around it, and they better do
Speaker 1: something about it. How they done something about it? A
Speaker 1: nice little segue there may Yes, it sounds like they
Speaker 1: have so Phillison, Uh, well man, from what we knew
Speaker 1: last night I wrote this last night, is that like
Speaker 1: you see this type of stuff happen in baseball all
Speaker 1: the time, Like you know, I remember, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: guys will get called in out of center field because
Speaker 1: they got traded during a game. I've never seen that
Speaker 1: happen in football. Yeah, if you don't know, Cowboys traded
Speaker 1: their rookie corner chart Various Ward, a guy that I
Speaker 1: think all of us thought had a good shot to
Speaker 1: be on this team is not on the team then
Speaker 1: certainly on the practice squad. They traded into Kansas City
Speaker 1: for it. And Jerry Jones talked about this this morning. Um,
Speaker 1: third year offensive lineman Parker Anger. I think I'm saying that, right,
Speaker 1: Um Anger? Right? Anger? Yeah? Hi, n Um, he's at
Speaker 1: a Cincinnati He's actually taken like right after Charles Tapper
Speaker 1: and before Dak in the fourth round of that draft. Um.
Speaker 1: Jerry said this morning that he's he started at guard
Speaker 1: in this league. He was. He was a rookie starter
Speaker 1: at guard before he tore his ACLU. He's moved around
Speaker 1: a little bit at guard and tackle for them. He's
Speaker 1: kind of been their utility offensive lineman in the two
Speaker 1: years since his injury, and Jerry said they think he
Speaker 1: could play center in a pinch. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: ever done it in a game, but they think he could.
Speaker 1: So he is a kind of utility man. And you
Speaker 1: know it's worth saying they traded chart Various Ward for him,
Speaker 1: So I mean they traded their fifth or sixth corner
Speaker 1: for It's you're you're not getting an all pro here
Speaker 1: that this is the type of stuff these teams do, is, Hey,
Speaker 1: we need a corner, you need aligneman, all right, we'll
Speaker 1: send you this guy, and maybe we both feel better
Speaker 1: about our depth. Did Dean Edwards make this team now?
Speaker 1: I wonder now, because because I thought, if you're gonna
Speaker 1: bring in an alignment, I thought you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: get another center in here. Um, does Cameron Fleming make
Speaker 1: the team? I would imagine, I would imagine he by
Speaker 1: default as your swing tackle for now. And I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've talked about this again on the show
Speaker 1: with Brian a lot like it's such a shallow pool
Speaker 1: to find backup offensive line talent. If you've got it,
Speaker 1: you hoard it, you keep it on your roster, especially
Speaker 1: at tackle. This this kind of this makes me think
Speaker 1: that they that Travis Frederick is going to go to
Speaker 1: I R after the cuts, because they still might't go
Speaker 1: with nine. Where who's your nine? Let's just say Frederick
Speaker 1: he makes the team. So Looney's a backup. That's six,
Speaker 1: Fleming seven, that this guy Anger is eight. You still
Speaker 1: don't really have a backup center. I mean, Jerry did
Speaker 1: say this morning that they think he could play center,
Speaker 1: so I mean theoretically, and Zach, like Mickey doesn't like that,
Speaker 1: I don't know, you have to bag play center. You
Speaker 1: have Zach Martin too, it's worth pointing out. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: who's gonna play guard? Then? Anger and Anger? Yeah? Anger?
Speaker 1: M Jaz Green's not in this list. No, he's no,
Speaker 1: which I hear. I thought. Ours if they you go
Speaker 1: nine offensive linemen to start, if they decide to I
Speaker 1: R Travis, then that still leaves you with eight, and
Speaker 1: that gives you that gives you Cadeem who you think
Speaker 1: of him as a guard. But maybe he could kick
Speaker 1: out to tackle in an emergency and anger and could
Speaker 1: and yeah, so or are they done? Flemming? And yeah,
Speaker 1: sorry Fleming And maybe they're not done? You know, claim
Speaker 1: claims will go down over the weekend. Sunday is gonna
Speaker 1: be a really busy day. I really feel like it.
Speaker 1: So trying to do, you know, try to help us
Speaker 1: a little bit there, David. Now, yeah, no, if y'all
Speaker 1: could just let me know what you need from me before?
Speaker 1: What's the cutoff? Eleven am? And wow? You know us
Speaker 1: an LSU fans a seven seven o'clock, six o'clock kickoff? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's like eleven ams might cut off before. I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't help you anymore. You can need me. You
Speaker 1: need to get be in touch. By eleven I was Rob,
Speaker 1: it's gonna it's gonna be us, Mick, can you help
Speaker 1: little bit? I'm going to the game. Also, well me too.
Speaker 1: When when's your cut off? Though, I'm guessing about two
Speaker 1: two or this is gonna be Texas Live over there?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Texas Live. I think we got a brunch reservation.
Speaker 1: Oh boys, it's football Sea parents are in town. Jose
Speaker 1: is back, My dog will be back by late, Like
Speaker 1: what it's I think they're getting in town at four thirty.
Speaker 1: He's been on a vacation. He's been on a vacation
Speaker 1: far away, but he's coming back. Oh god, um that
Speaker 1: game last night, I mean it was just like the
Speaker 1: I said that puns on Twitter. I mean, were you
Speaker 1: probably bringing some bad ones? Oh? Yeah, No. I mean
Speaker 1: I felt guilty because I try to provide insight during games,
Speaker 1: but I just I couldn't do it that I've cut.
Speaker 1: That was the fifth. It was the fifth preseason finale
Speaker 1: I've covered because we didn't have one last year because
Speaker 1: of Hurricane Harvey. And I'm sure that they were all terrible,
Speaker 1: but that one really felt like it took the cake.
Speaker 1: I think this one was pronounced because we had a
Speaker 1: preseason finale a week ago, four days ago. Yeah, good point,
Speaker 1: But we've had two and four days and that's a
Speaker 1: lot of preseason finales. That's a lot of That is
Speaker 1: a lot of backs, true, and you have a dress
Speaker 1: rehearsal type game, You're okay. Four days later with that,
Speaker 1: you've got you got to see Dak and typically maybe
Speaker 1: Zeke play into the third quarter or at least a
Speaker 1: couple of series. I didn't get any of that. I
Speaker 1: didn't understand why the rookie receivers in there. I was like,
Speaker 1: why don't you gallop your ass over to the bench.
Speaker 1: I did see that pun from you. That was what
Speaker 1: squat like, why was he in the game? He told
Speaker 1: us After the game, the coaching staff gave him the
Speaker 1: option of do you want to play a quarter or two?
Speaker 1: He said, I want to play two quarters? Stop said
Speaker 1: I need the reps. I like, I like to hear that.
Speaker 1: But when you see him get wrapped up there, Mick
Speaker 1: want to catch right, but by the ankles, it's like,
Speaker 1: get us up, Get up, Get up players, players, players
Speaker 1: want to play. That's the coach's job to be like, nah,
Speaker 1: you're good, we don't need you. You know, I had
Speaker 1: an interesting site there before the game that I don't
Speaker 1: think i'd seen before. I don't know if y'all y'all
Speaker 1: caught this. Lance Lenore's first tackle of the day was
Speaker 1: tackled by a bag of balls. YEP, I don't know
Speaker 1: why that bag that probably holds um twenty kicking balls
Speaker 1: or whatever sitting right on the field and Lance Lanor's
Speaker 1: trying to you know, so last week it was Byron Jones.
Speaker 1: He runs into this this week. It's a bag of balls.
Speaker 1: He trips, he falls, almost takes out someone else, and
Speaker 1: you're like, this is gonna be this guy that that
Speaker 1: helped him out though, because he made a special team stackle.
Speaker 1: It's true he did. What y'all think about that hit
Speaker 1: at the end of the game. I heard we talked
Speaker 1: about it in the tunnel. I didn't see it because
Speaker 1: we were down at field level, y'all. You know, we're
Speaker 1: getting ready to do like postgame videos. I heard it
Speaker 1: was kind of it's just yeah, you know I'm talking
Speaker 1: about making see it. Yeah. Um, I mean it's a
Speaker 1: weird thing because you're you're supposed to block the guy.
Speaker 1: You don't want him to catch the gunners down there
Speaker 1: trying to catch the ball at the one or two,
Speaker 1: you're trying to block him. I don't know, did he
Speaker 1: target him, end, I mean, it was it was. It
Speaker 1: was a pretty bad helmet to helmet. But it ended
Speaker 1: up being a bad helmet to helmet. But the guy
Speaker 1: low his head, and yeah, I thought he got him. Now,
Speaker 1: I know you don't have to do helmet to helmet.
Speaker 1: I thought he got him with the shoulder, but he
Speaker 1: but he did hit him in the head um, but
Speaker 1: the guy lowered his head and I think that's got
Speaker 1: to be considered when they when they call that penalty.
Speaker 1: And kind of a related note, I'm just convinced if
Speaker 1: you if you just run a deep like a deep
Speaker 1: slant or a deep end three times and you throw
Speaker 1: the ball in the air and your guy goes up
Speaker 1: to get the ball, he's either gonna catch it or
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a penalty. Yeah, I mean, here's gonna
Speaker 1: be a penalty. You can't hit the guy the flag on.
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis want the safeties to be great. There's no
Speaker 1: no more great safeties anymore. And they're gonna be broke, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because of the way the rules are. I don't know
Speaker 1: how you played this game for those guys, I really don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know where they can hit. You know, they're
Speaker 1: gonna give up plays and we're gonna be sitting there
Speaker 1: and go ahead, guys soft terrible. Well he didn't have
Speaker 1: any money eight defense. I think you're and I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a different game. I'm sure, you know,
Speaker 1: like with everything else, it'll it'll evolve. They'll figure out
Speaker 1: how to call it, and they'll figure out how to
Speaker 1: coach it. But it is it's weird when you see
Speaker 1: those types of things that look like clean football players
Speaker 1: get flags. Get the feeling we'll see more in preseason
Speaker 1: than we do in the regular season starts. That's what
Speaker 1: I've been saying from the beginning. It seems like they
Speaker 1: over officiate it, I think, to enforce the set the tone,
Speaker 1: and then it's I thought there was a flag on
Speaker 1: every play. I was surprised a lot there. It wasn't
Speaker 1: as many when you look at the final There might
Speaker 1: have been some declined, but I mean I thought there was.
Speaker 1: You know, if I can turn on the the page here,
Speaker 1: I'd like to turn the page of this game. Man,
Speaker 1: as we are deeper in the weeds on the game,
Speaker 1: we can do that. We can turn the page. You guys,
Speaker 1: just twenty one flags in the game. That's a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Texans had twelve and the Cowboys at nine. Cowboys at nine,
Speaker 1: I thought it would be an eighteen. I wonder how
Speaker 1: many were on special teams every every play, every play? Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty much? And I thought Lenore had a pretty good
Speaker 1: game special team wise, because he had that pretty nice
Speaker 1: nifty twenty two yard return. They gave him twenty three
Speaker 1: yards for the game on five returns. Oh yeah, great,
Speaker 1: not great. He didn't didn't bobble anything, but there was
Speaker 1: a lot of fair catches though. Yes, yes he was
Speaker 1: solid in the game. But again, you're gonna keep seven receivers.
Speaker 1: He doesn't. He does nothing for me. I would cut him.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I just I think there's another Lance Lenora.
Speaker 1: Every year. There's a guy like that to make a
Speaker 1: rector fifteen years ago. I mean, there's somebody that's just
Speaker 1: been around. It's a try hard guy. I just don't
Speaker 1: think he'd ever play in the game. It's it's a
Speaker 1: really good analogy for the whole thing. Actually, because I
Speaker 1: saw Lewis Riddick, the ESPN um guy that you know,
Speaker 1: former scout. He's on ESPN now. He had this tweet
Speaker 1: last night where he's like so many snarky tweets about
Speaker 1: how bad these games are, Like, you know, how about
Speaker 1: show some respect for these guys that are like given
Speaker 1: busting their ass, given it, they're all to like, you know,
Speaker 1: achieve their dream. And he's right, and it's right. It's
Speaker 1: a good point. It's you know, all respect to these guys.
Speaker 1: They're busting their ass and Lance Lenoor has been here
Speaker 1: more than anybody on this team going back to February,
Speaker 1: just busting his ass. But at the same time, you
Speaker 1: can still call it like it is and say it's
Speaker 1: not entertaining football. It's just not. I'm sorry. I respect
Speaker 1: the hell out of the guys for what they're trying
Speaker 1: to do, but these games are pretty gross more often
Speaker 1: than not. And in the same vein, I respect the
Speaker 1: hell out of Lance Lenor. I'm not sure what he
Speaker 1: does for your fifty three right now, Like I don't
Speaker 1: know what skill said he has that another receiver doesn't.
Speaker 1: I don't know what he would do on a game day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: more so your forty six. Yeah, it doesn't make sense
Speaker 1: to me, and that, you know, all credit to you,
Speaker 1: but I just don't see it. It It seems like a
Speaker 1: poor man's Terrence Williams. And he's not that rich either,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean it just kind of I think
Speaker 1: I think I trust Lance a little bit more to
Speaker 1: do a little bit more Like I'm not putting Terrence
Speaker 1: in the slot, probably at least not as often as
Speaker 1: I would with Lance. And I wouldn't ask, wouldn't ask
Speaker 1: terrence to return anything that's true. But are you right
Speaker 1: about that? But again, I just I can think of
Speaker 1: a skill set that all these receivers that are going
Speaker 1: to make the team have, and I don't know what
Speaker 1: Lance does that's different from them. That's better. I think
Speaker 1: he passes waivers. I think teams are gonna look at
Speaker 1: it and go, well, and that's the respect the hell
Speaker 1: out of him. I think every team in the league
Speaker 1: probably has a guy like that. They're like, yeah, like
Speaker 1: he's great for scout team and he'll be on our
Speaker 1: practice squad. Well, Nick said it physically symbolical leists. Turn
Speaker 1: the page, let me come back. Let's let's look into Hey,
Speaker 1: anybody else that made the team last night, Maybe maybe
Speaker 1: a certain tight end a Rico Gathers or somebody like that,
Speaker 1: and what we learned from the meat of this roster
Speaker 1: through preseason as they get toward the regular season starting
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Speaker 1: break inside the SWBC Mortgage studio on a Friday, recapping
Speaker 1: preseason Game number four recap a preseason as a whole
Speaker 1: special shout out to Brian brought us for getting as
Speaker 1: far as to say, hey, yeah, thanks buddy, feats of strength. Right,
Speaker 1: had a fun stop at Bucky's and a fun stop
Speaker 1: at whatter Burger real quick, and yeah, got home at
Speaker 1: like four or fifteen, one hour after the bus pulled in, Mick, Right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and that guy stopped too. I realize you made a
Speaker 1: stop at Bucky's. Huh, yeah, he did forty five. I
Speaker 1: think he needed to go. I don't know why you
Speaker 1: just walk in the back of the bus. I think
Speaker 1: he needed a break maybe, yeah, Okay, it's the triumpher. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. But it was like two or two two
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning when he when he took a break.
Speaker 1: Everybody's back safe. I had my seat belt one, did you?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well that's good. It's good safety first. Really
Speaker 1: huh really, it sounds like it's safety last. The priorities
Speaker 1: Here're not on this team. You want to go there?
Speaker 1: Safety never hunt for Red October. That's Steven. Let's go
Speaker 1: Sean get after style. Let's go, let's find one, he said,
Speaker 1: two positions. Steven Jones said that they were really hunting
Speaker 1: two days ago. They've added an interior offensive lineman. Sounds
Speaker 1: like they got one. Is a safety next a safety?
Speaker 1: I'm not getting into you know, necessarily. Yeah you are
Speaker 1: because Nix on this show. Yeah, you're going. It's fair.
Speaker 1: You are fair. So is uh Dron Johnson gonna make
Speaker 1: this team? I thought he played well in the first
Speaker 1: ancle last night. Yeah, I mean, okay, yeah, Earl Thomas,
Speaker 1: I know, we know it's there. It'll all. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be there forever, at least until the trade deadline expires.
Speaker 1: But I really don't. I'm not convinced they're going to
Speaker 1: do something. I'm saying anything I'm finding I'm starting caliber
Speaker 1: guy off waiver or something. I'm not convinced because nothing.
Speaker 1: They think they're gonna get their starter back for week two.
Speaker 1: So really, you in a best case scenario, you gotta
Speaker 1: make it through the Panthers game with Jeff Heath, Cavon Frasier,
Speaker 1: Jeron Johnson and whatever. Tyree Robinson, sure you could do that.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's the best idea. I've ever heard,
Speaker 1: but you could um feeling they think he can go, right,
Speaker 1: that's what they said. He was in a sling yesterday though, which, like,
Speaker 1: I don't know people who can play in a week.
Speaker 1: Maybe he start supposed to be wearing a sling. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's just precautioning. He says he can harness it up
Speaker 1: and play, but we'll find out. But yeah, depth wise,
Speaker 1: it's not great. It's not Are you sure that Xavier
Speaker 1: Woods is ready for a week two? Not at all
Speaker 1: with a soft tissue deal. I've said it a bunch
Speaker 1: of times on our show. I'm not sure Xavier Woods
Speaker 1: is ready for anything. I just don't. I think he's
Speaker 1: a good role player, but I'm not one hundred percent
Speaker 1: sure that he's ready to be the starting safety anyways,
Speaker 1: even if he was healthy, he hasn't really shown a lot,
Speaker 1: but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Hasn't shown that
Speaker 1: he gets beat a lot either. Yeah, it's been kind
Speaker 1: of steady back there. He was working on the chords
Speaker 1: before the game, yeahs and moving pretty well too. So
Speaker 1: that's actually good getting nine days from kickoff. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just how careful they are with those I know,
Speaker 1: because what does Garrett always say he heard it again?
Speaker 1: Then it's six weeks and all of a sudden his
Speaker 1: season is kind of like what it was for Cheeto,
Speaker 1: right Cheeto, And yeah last year, Sean had a couple
Speaker 1: times last year. See, I think I think what happens
Speaker 1: is because this is the season opener. Like if this
Speaker 1: was week four, week five and he had a strained
Speaker 1: hamstring growing whatever he's got, would we be sitting there going, oh,
Speaker 1: they got a trade for a safety. No. But because
Speaker 1: it's the season opener, I think everybody gets it cited
Speaker 1: about oh, what are we gonna do at safety? So
Speaker 1: I kind of agree, which I mean, well with the
Speaker 1: way the safety situation is right now. If if Xavier
Speaker 1: Woods got hurt in week five, I think you would
Speaker 1: kind of panic because they're so little behind him. But again,
Speaker 1: if you think he can be back in a week
Speaker 1: and or you know, after the first week of the season.
Speaker 1: Chris Richard likes Starn Johnson. That's why he's here. We
Speaker 1: know how the NFL works with you know, coaches and
Speaker 1: players that they trust. I mean, maybe you claim a guy,
Speaker 1: but you already gave away a nice depth piece for
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman. So do you want to do another
Speaker 1: trade for a guy that you think you only need
Speaker 1: to get through a game. I don't know, what about
Speaker 1: a conditional draft pick. I mean they've done it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they do it all the death injuries. They did it
Speaker 1: for Bryce Butler a couple of years ago back Castle.
Speaker 1: You know you probably will get a couple. They did
Speaker 1: it for Ben Wickery just last year. I think you
Speaker 1: know it was like a seventh if he was on
Speaker 1: the roster for a month or something like that. Okay,
Speaker 1: is there any other position that you look at as
Speaker 1: they look towards cuts on Saturday and say trade or
Speaker 1: claim they need to upgrade here? You know one thing
Speaker 1: that was I thought was interesting. I'm gonna talk about
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. Uh. You know, Garrett never says anyone's name
Speaker 1: when you ask him who looked good. He doesn't go
Speaker 1: down that route. He did last night. He did. They
Speaker 1: asked him who did anyone stand out? And he said, yes,
Speaker 1: Karen Reid did. Karan Reid showed out in that game.
Speaker 1: He had six tackles on the sheet, and sometimes, you know,
Speaker 1: those guys can stand out more than just making tackles.
Speaker 1: I thought that was interesting that he said that. It
Speaker 1: doesn't mean he makes the team. That tackle position is
Speaker 1: kind of tricky because Brian Price, jahad Ward can cony
Speaker 1: Ealie slide inside. What do you have to do with
Speaker 1: Daytona Jones. Yeah, Antoine Woods is just chilling. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's not going anywhere. I don't I don't think. No,
Speaker 1: they didn't even play him. That's the coolest. That was
Speaker 1: my biggest takeaway from that whole game last night was
Speaker 1: that I didn't know Antoine Woods was on this team
Speaker 1: when we went to training camp. To be perfectly honest,
Speaker 1: either I'm with you. He he he took a swing
Speaker 1: at Frederick. Yeah, that was the guy the first time
Speaker 1: I heard of him, right in one on one. Don't
Speaker 1: do that again. He had a he had a ball
Speaker 1: cap on from the word go last night, Like that's
Speaker 1: how good that they thought he did it. That's it,
Speaker 1: that's earned in your spot. So Katie Cannon, get that
Speaker 1: same thing, Katie. He played, he played, did he he
Speaker 1: got he got in here, he got in He's not
Speaker 1: on the sheet of did not play. But I didn't
Speaker 1: play him. That was more of just like what'd you say,
Speaker 1: just now, Ron Reid, he's a Princeton guy. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: just a fun fact. Oh yeah, not that that's gonna
Speaker 1: help him make the fifty three, but hey go Tigers
Speaker 1: helped him get here. Did uh jehad Ward with his
Speaker 1: two back to back sacks change the narrative on him?
Speaker 1: I really feel like it was the guy that did
Speaker 1: two sacks about ten years ago in a game junior.
Speaker 1: He was a couple of those were just wow, this guy. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm still not gonna make the team. D Ward's interesting
Speaker 1: because you talk about a guy that, like we thought
Speaker 1: it was on his way to earning a spot in
Speaker 1: spring starting. Baron Nelly thought he was now pads you
Speaker 1: need the pads to come on and see. But I
Speaker 1: thought he really had something there. Maybe maybe it does,
Speaker 1: but uh, Daniel Ross I think has probably played better.
Speaker 1: That's true as these last couple weeks have gone on.
Speaker 1: You know, so you get to Carolina, it's gonna be hot.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be hot in that first you know, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be three o'clock kickoff. They're gonna probably wear blue jerseys.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be hot. You typically you want to have,
Speaker 1: you want to have a little bit deeper on your
Speaker 1: own defensive line. If you can, you might not have
Speaker 1: more than eight. Well, let's just say they have eight
Speaker 1: eight defensive linemen for Carolina. Who we got here? That's honestly,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I'm not gonna be one hundred
Speaker 1: percent right, But I really I feel good that I
Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen at most of the spots on
Speaker 1: this roster. Like, I feel pretty confident. I don't know
Speaker 1: what to do with the defensive line. And it's really
Speaker 1: more about the defensive tackles than first and ten at
Speaker 1: the twenty five yard line camps in the shotgun, Who
Speaker 1: I mean, who we got? We We've got We've got
Speaker 1: de Marcus Marcus Lawrence. And if it's first and ten, well,
Speaker 1: you know there's tough DeMarcus Lawrence, Randy Gregory, Tyrn Crawford,
Speaker 1: and Malie Collins would be my guest. There you go,
Speaker 1: I like, Noah, Antoine Woods. You think Malik's ready week
Speaker 1: one to step in and starts. That's what they've told us.
Speaker 1: Ralford is now a tackle just like that. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory, because Gregory did that those four. Then backing up,
Speaker 1: you have Taco, you have Antoine Woods, you have Dace,
Speaker 1: LaRence Armstrong and another tackle. That's that there there, there
Speaker 1: you go? Or award? Is Dayton Jones going to I
Speaker 1: R which means he has to be on the team
Speaker 1: on Saturday to do that? Yeah? Is Jihad Ward gonna
Speaker 1: make this team? Has Daniel Ross done enough? Do you
Speaker 1: value the fact that Cony Ealy can play two positions?
Speaker 1: Mentioned Brian Price? Yeah, I didn't even honestly, maybe the
Speaker 1: only true one on this whole team really, I mean
Speaker 1: kind of like receiver, nothing got a lot of guns.
Speaker 1: I think Woods is a one, but he's like five
Speaker 1: eight and a half. Like he's not. He's not Brian Price.
Speaker 1: Brian Price is a bold three thirty. Look, I get it.
Speaker 1: I'm he's probably about six feet. Don't you think Stubby
Speaker 1: does he looks these rosters? Lie? Does he look like
Speaker 1: just a monstrous spade space eating defensive tackle. He's listed
Speaker 1: at six one three twelve. He's the proverbial Pepsi machine
Speaker 1: with arms that is fly. So look, I'm five he
Speaker 1: ate five eight. I'm five six. I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: criticize anybody for being short, but Antoine Woods is not
Speaker 1: a tall football play and that's what makes him a
Speaker 1: great story, right, He's I love him, He's he's great.
Speaker 1: Charles Tapper wasn't mentioned in anything there. I love Tap.
Speaker 1: I don't see him making the team. This is this
Speaker 1: is kind of like receiver, right. I think he does
Speaker 1: have practice squad eligibility, though I don't know about Charls.
Speaker 1: Tapper has only played in three two games in his
Speaker 1: entire career. I think two. You get towards the back
Speaker 1: of this D line situation, Mick, and it's hard to
Speaker 1: maybe separate some of these guys. Oh, it really is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And um, it's going to end up being personal preference.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, what are you looking for? Um? You know,
Speaker 1: we watched Ross play last year. Did he do anything,
Speaker 1: he got hurt? Did he get hurt? Eventually he did?
Speaker 1: He did right, But I think they brought him he
Speaker 1: was another guy. They brought him from Kansas City, I believe, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: And it seemed like he was you know, they brought
Speaker 1: him in. So we kept waiting for him to do
Speaker 1: something because obviously you won't only bring a guy in
Speaker 1: if you like him. But I want to say he
Speaker 1: was inactive for like most of the first month he
Speaker 1: was even here. Is it me or is it just
Speaker 1: like a mentality? Of these guys that are like practice
Speaker 1: squad and then the season's over and then they're like
Speaker 1: you resign them, and they're just kind of guys you
Speaker 1: don't even know if their first second year guys, because
Speaker 1: they're just kind of around and they they you never
Speaker 1: they never wild you with anything. It's it's Lance Lenore,
Speaker 1: it's Daniel Ross, it's Cadem Edwards, it's Duke Thomas, it's
Speaker 1: Justin March Lillard. It's those guys. And it's almost like
Speaker 1: they have such an uphill battle because you've already kind
Speaker 1: of put them in this category of like you weren't
Speaker 1: good enough last year and you know now we've drafted
Speaker 1: since are you really that much better? Yeah? Which, but
Speaker 1: justin Marshall Lillard is he makes a lot of plays.
Speaker 1: Justin Marsha Lillard is interesting for me because there's always
Speaker 1: a guy in these games who like you're watching the
Speaker 1: game and you're like, you're too good to be out here.
Speaker 1: And that was justin Marsha Lollard last night. I think
Speaker 1: he's on the team. I really do. Well. I think
Speaker 1: you're right, Except I had a thought last night that
Speaker 1: you talk about how deep this linebacker corps is Chris
Speaker 1: Covington's a guy they drafted that they like a lot.
Speaker 1: Maybe seven linebackers is too many. Maybe maybe Justin marsh
Speaker 1: Lillard is another guy like char Various Ward who you
Speaker 1: could trade for a piece. Like he's good enough that
Speaker 1: a linebacker needy team might be willing to give up
Speaker 1: something for him. I don't know. I mean I would
Speaker 1: put him on my team for sure. I think he's
Speaker 1: been solid all through the preseas. This isn't related at all,
Speaker 1: but what a Seattle need offensive lineman? I mean, they
Speaker 1: can't help them there. They don't. They don't need a
Speaker 1: running back. They need a healthy running back. They've got
Speaker 1: like eight, all of whom have an injury, uh receiver.
Speaker 1: Oh god, yeah, that would be hard to make a trade.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, the guy's gonna show up on Monday. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's a bold I wonder show. I wonder about that
Speaker 1: or maybe Tuesday et. Yeah, we're not. We're not getting
Speaker 1: out of this show without talking about that. But go ahead, guys,
Speaker 1: don't guys don't lose money. Oh yeah yeah, oh oh
Speaker 1: you thought niggas like promise, yeah, real promise, that's what
Speaker 1: I thought. Yeah, yeah, right, I knew what Mickey meant, Well,
Speaker 1: I mean that's Monday, Okay, Tuesday. I agree with you, Mickey,
Speaker 1: I really do. But if there is a guy who
Speaker 1: might buck that trend, I really think it could be Earls.
Speaker 1: He's made a ton of money in his career. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can never make enough money. He's made a ton
Speaker 1: of money in his career. And I've never met the man,
Speaker 1: but he seems very proud. He chased down Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: to ask him to come sign him. He bait like
Speaker 1: in the in the locker room after a win that
Speaker 1: kept the Seahawks in the playoffs. He was talking about
Speaker 1: how like, when this team kicks me to the curve,
Speaker 1: like I know they don't want me for the long term.
Speaker 1: He's missed the entire offseason for it. He just I'm
Speaker 1: proud too, but proud enough that I think I've earned
Speaker 1: money at the end of the day. At the end
Speaker 1: of the day, I think you're right. But I think
Speaker 1: if there's a guy who might have the chutzpah to
Speaker 1: not show up, it could be him. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see, we'll know, we'll know starting Tuesday,
Speaker 1: and he might not have to play because he hadn't
Speaker 1: on anything. I'm gonna say he won't be able to
Speaker 1: for at least a week or two, I would guess.
Speaker 1: And he's gonna make five hundred thousand dollars. That's a
Speaker 1: lot of money show up, But like on a third
Speaker 1: you can show up Thursday and you just have to
Speaker 1: be on the roster month that week. Yeah, the other
Speaker 1: fun Well, not to get in the weeds, but I'm
Speaker 1: fascinated to see what happens with Khalil Mack. Is he
Speaker 1: really gonna sit out? He he is? Earl Thomas has
Speaker 1: made big boy money or Khalil Mack has not, like
Speaker 1: he has not. He's on his first contract. Still, as
Speaker 1: far as I know, it'll get it'll it'll go down.
Speaker 1: Don't you think Donald got paid got obnoxious money today?
Speaker 1: And when you're that good, you're just gonna let a
Speaker 1: guy sit. I don't know this, can't imagine it. Maybe
Speaker 1: they'll trade him this weekend. I don't I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know anything. I'm just excited to see what happens.
Speaker 1: All right, let let's grab a phone call before we
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Speaker 1: two ninety seven is the number. David, the owner general manager,
Speaker 1: was on the fan today. He was did not speak
Speaker 1: after the game, but spoke for a few minutes this
Speaker 1: morning on radio. Nature of this beats so much fun.
Speaker 1: You go to bed at four thirty in the morning,
Speaker 1: you wake up at like ten fifteen and the owner
Speaker 1: general manager has given an interview about roster cuts. It's great.
Speaker 1: There is yeah nuggets. Well, one thing, you know, I
Speaker 1: think people have a lot of interest in Rico gathers.
Speaker 1: Here's I'm not going to read the whole thing. It's
Speaker 1: like five hundred words long. But Jerry Jones basically said,
Speaker 1: at this point today, tomorrow, this weekend, we've got to
Speaker 1: put our finger on what he Rico can do for us.
Speaker 1: Can he help us win? We make decisions. We do
Speaker 1: make decisions on future potential, but we've got to specifically
Speaker 1: identify how he helps us. Now, my inclination is that
Speaker 1: we can do that. I think we can have a
Speaker 1: player like Rico gathers and benefit and use him, which
Speaker 1: he also all right, well I should give. He also said,
Speaker 1: the real issue is what you're giving up in having
Speaker 1: another roster spot and having another player. So basically, can
Speaker 1: you use Rico well enough that it justifies cutting a
Speaker 1: more well rounded player to have him on your team?
Speaker 1: And that's nothing new. We've been saying that for two
Speaker 1: freaking years. So I reading the reader, trying my best
Speaker 1: to read between the lines that's coming from the owner
Speaker 1: and the general manager, the headshot caller. It sounds like
Speaker 1: he's going to be on this team. That's my interpretation.
Speaker 1: But I wonder how I'm telling Frederick in that situation
Speaker 1: affects Rico, because Rico to me seems like a guy
Speaker 1: that if you put him on the team, he's probably
Speaker 1: going to be an active for a little bit, at
Speaker 1: least for a while. That's obviously what Frederick would be
Speaker 1: unless he goes to IR, how many of those guys
Speaker 1: can you have? Well, is there a guy Nick? Maybe
Speaker 1: like a you know, they did this with Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: last year. Um to get Rico on the IR last year.
Speaker 1: I believe right, they ll Kellen Moore vested veterans say hey,
Speaker 1: stick around, we'll resign you. Is there you know they're
Speaker 1: gonna have to do something like that wanted Blake Jarwin
Speaker 1: last year. Yeah, don't know if they still do. But
Speaker 1: is there somebody still? Is there a vested guy on
Speaker 1: this roster that you say, okay, we could let you
Speaker 1: go for a couple just a guy. Yeah? So because
Speaker 1: yeah Johnson, they say it does john Johnson fit that Bill.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to make a cut. Cut maybe somebody
Speaker 1: you like to keep Frederick on for a day if
Speaker 1: you indeed are gonna put him on the IR. But
Speaker 1: of course Stephen did say Monday, they may, you know,
Speaker 1: make a decision, see how he feels over the weekend,
Speaker 1: and you could carry him, Yeah, that throughout his time
Speaker 1: dealing with this illness. I lean toward thinking that Travis
Speaker 1: Frederick is going to wind up on IR. But I know,
Speaker 1: you know, there was a report last week that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are optimistic that it could just be weeks and
Speaker 1: not months, And so I don't feel comfortable saying one
Speaker 1: way or the other. But I wonder you guys know
Speaker 1: the rules on this. When can he come back to
Speaker 1: practice before the eight weeks? It's after six. If you're
Speaker 1: on IR, you can practice after six weeks. I think
Speaker 1: that's probably the way to go, I think, because even
Speaker 1: I mean, if he's three three weeks, he's still going
Speaker 1: to take him a couple of weeks to probably you know,
Speaker 1: get him get him playing again. I like I said,
Speaker 1: I leaned toward thinking that Travis is going to wind
Speaker 1: up on IR by the time this is all done.
Speaker 1: But we'll see one other item. Mick, You and Lindsay
Speaker 1: spoke to Jason Garrett on the pregame show about Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory and his status was. He was in the news
Speaker 1: yesterday pre game all day. What did coach have to
Speaker 1: say about his defensive end? Well, as I remember, you know,
Speaker 1: he was. He was very complimentary of everything that he's done.
Speaker 1: Um pointed out that he went to Chicago, not New York,
Speaker 1: and it just sounded like it was pre planned visit
Speaker 1: to kind of do a check up on everything how
Speaker 1: he's doing. So I don't know if they were mad
Speaker 1: at him because he kind of trashed the drug policy
Speaker 1: and it sounded like Jerry said, you tell me. I
Speaker 1: didn't hear it, but the guys on the fan were
Speaker 1: saying that Jerry said that there's owners that think that
Speaker 1: he shouldn't be readmitted to the program there. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was very vague. Jerry said something along the lines of, like,
Speaker 1: you know, there's always lobbying in the NFL, like clubs
Speaker 1: or clubs. You know, behind the scenes, they have thoughts
Speaker 1: and opinions that they probably wouldn't state publicly about things
Speaker 1: like that. And again it was a very vague copy,
Speaker 1: but you know, he made it sound like, yeah, there's
Speaker 1: there's lobbying that goes on in these cases from around
Speaker 1: the league, and maybe somebody's weighed in on it. I
Speaker 1: don't really know. But and Jerry also said, which this
Speaker 1: has totally proven true over the last week, which is
Speaker 1: you're under a ridiculous amount of scrutiny anyway as an
Speaker 1: NFL player, multiple times over for being a member of
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys, and it sucks for Randy. That's just
Speaker 1: the way it is. It's not really fair. But something
Speaker 1: that would be a very private issue for anybody else
Speaker 1: in the world is not going to be that when
Speaker 1: you're a good player for the Dallas Cowboy. We scheduled
Speaker 1: issue issue interview visit with the NFL office, which Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett said on Your pregame, Mick that this may happen
Speaker 1: periodically throughout the season with him on the roster, that
Speaker 1: he may have to take a day and go handle
Speaker 1: some business because he's part of that program, you know,
Speaker 1: due to multiple violations previously of the substance abuse policy.
Speaker 1: And it's kind of weird because on one hand, you
Speaker 1: can say, well, they why did you do it on
Speaker 1: a game day? Well, what I mean, what other time
Speaker 1: would would be a better time for him when to play? Right,
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna play? And apparently miss that then then miss
Speaker 1: a you know, practice day or something like that. They
Speaker 1: were even trying to get him to Houston afterwards it
Speaker 1: didn't work out. And and and he I mean, today's
Speaker 1: an off day, so all he needs to do is
Speaker 1: be back tomorrow for team meeting in a practice. So
Speaker 1: it was perfect timing. Actually, he's right there, you know,
Speaker 1: he's right there, getting close to playing his first game
Speaker 1: and what two years he's like, he still has to
Speaker 1: overcome these hurdles. Yeah, he's always going to but I
Speaker 1: feel like that. I just feel like, if he plays
Speaker 1: a full game, I just don't see him not getting
Speaker 1: a sack. I know he's done it. I know it's
Speaker 1: that's not the way that the league works, but I
Speaker 1: just think he's he's looks so good and what we've seen,
Speaker 1: or at least doing something to affect the game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't have to even get a sack. You just
Speaker 1: just rush him, make him throw it, you know, and
Speaker 1: maybe get a pick. Carolina doesn't have a healthy offense
Speaker 1: of lineman. It sounds like the word coming out of Charlotte,
Speaker 1: so I am awfully intrigued by the possibility of him
Speaker 1: getting a shot. Would be an interesting matchup for sure.
Speaker 1: Let's go back to the phone lines. We do have
Speaker 1: somebody on the line. Are you sure we'll find out
Speaker 1: a second Chris in Pennsylvania? Are you there? Yes? I am. Hey,
Speaker 1: what's up? Enjoying the show so far? Guys, Not like
Speaker 1: there aren't plenty of question marks to evaluate and look over.
Speaker 1: But I'm going to go in a little bit different direction.
Speaker 1: Um starting quarterback. You guys have seen him all through
Speaker 1: the preseason. I mean we haven't. We haven't seen enough
Speaker 1: of them in games and I know it's only his
Speaker 1: third year, but where where are we at with Dak's development?
Speaker 1: I mean, do we what's your what's your opinion on
Speaker 1: on where he's at and where he's headed? Um, And
Speaker 1: I'll just hang up and see what you guys have
Speaker 1: to say. It's a good question, good global you question
Speaker 1: of the most important guy on the team. Maybe where
Speaker 1: do I want to go with this? You want to
Speaker 1: start us off? I think you know not to be
Speaker 1: on the fence, but I mean I think this is
Speaker 1: what you what you have in a third year player.
Speaker 1: I think that, um, he's a he's a player that
Speaker 1: could go. I don't think he'd go either way. I
Speaker 1: think the arrow is pointing up for him. He played well,
Speaker 1: uh at times last year. He was phenomenal his first
Speaker 1: year when expectations were not We're not there now expectations
Speaker 1: are really high. There's a lot of scrutiny on him.
Speaker 1: I think when he's got his best friend back there
Speaker 1: running the ball, I think that he's gonna be really good.
Speaker 1: He's he's not the quarterback that's gonna He's not Brady
Speaker 1: Rogers that make the guys better. He needs great players
Speaker 1: to make him better. That's the way it is. But
Speaker 1: there's a lot of quarterbacks in the league like that.
Speaker 1: There's not There's not a lot of Brady and Rogers types.
Speaker 1: There's a lot that need need good help. Ateman was
Speaker 1: one of him, and he was on All of Famer.
Speaker 1: You need great players around you. Okay, first twenty four
Speaker 1: games of his career, you know, one oh two quarterback rating.
Speaker 1: So what changed the last eight games of the season,
Speaker 1: Please tell us. I mean, I know the answer, but
Speaker 1: no Zeke basically no tyring for too many games, right,
Speaker 1: and no credible backup for him, right. So Sean Lee
Speaker 1: missing on defense didn't help the whole operation either way,
Speaker 1: the way I look at it without Zeke and God
Speaker 1: bless Alfred Morris, right, nice guy, but no one was
Speaker 1: scared of him. No one was worried about him going
Speaker 1: seventy yards for a touchdown. So defense has said, there's
Speaker 1: only two guys that can beat me on this offense
Speaker 1: right now, Dak and Dez. We're taking them out. They
Speaker 1: are not going to beat me. And I think that's
Speaker 1: what took place the last eight games of the season.
Speaker 1: Teams took Cole Beasley out too well, because they didn't
Speaker 1: have to worry about the running back. The linebackers could
Speaker 1: kind of bracket him, and we'll accept whatever Alfred Morris does,
Speaker 1: but we're not letting that guy. And that guy beat
Speaker 1: me just at the Sorry McK no, I was just
Speaker 1: gonna say, so, you know, the narrative was that he's
Speaker 1: not the quarterback that he was. Well, he was pretty
Speaker 1: darn good for twenty four games. And I completely agree
Speaker 1: with everything y'all just said. I think Dax arrows pointing upward.
Speaker 1: I think when he's got a supporting cast around him,
Speaker 1: he's a very good quarterback. And again to your pa,
Speaker 1: he's that doesn't mean he's a bad player. Because he
Speaker 1: needs good players around him, doesn't mean he's bad. There's
Speaker 1: only three or four, maybe five quarterbacks in the league
Speaker 1: who can turn bad players into good players. Rogers got
Speaker 1: paid what he got paid. Dak's not there yet, and
Speaker 1: that's okay. I will say this though, kind of goes
Speaker 1: back to my point about Cooper Rush. They've made their
Speaker 1: bed at this point, like you know you're gonna trade
Speaker 1: for Teddy Bridgewater like as a preventative measure, so Dak
Speaker 1: is worried about that, so you have something in case
Speaker 1: things fall apart. No, like you've made your bed and
Speaker 1: it's either gonna work or it's not. And if it
Speaker 1: doesn't work, then you burn this thing down and start again.
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry if you don't want to hear that,
Speaker 1: but like, if Dak doesn't turn out to be the guy,
Speaker 1: then you'll go draft another one when the time comes,
Speaker 1: and you'll have a new head coach and a new
Speaker 1: regime in here to move in that direction. But half
Speaker 1: measures because you're afraid that Dak might not be the guy.
Speaker 1: I don't buy it. Like, you've made your bed about
Speaker 1: what you want to do, Now go do it, and
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna work. But if it doesn't, then
Speaker 1: worry about that in another year. It's hard to judge
Speaker 1: him in his preseason off maybe thirty snaps, right, thirty
Speaker 1: something snaps? Maybe less than that a couple games, Um,
Speaker 1: but I thought, you know, they did a nice job
Speaker 1: of moving the football as a first team offense without
Speaker 1: his best friend. Yeah, and that that's that's encouraging. Rod
Speaker 1: Smith ran the ball well, Um, Dak, We've talked about
Speaker 1: his deep ball. He hits the deep ball in the
Speaker 1: opener the second game. He did a nice job of
Speaker 1: some intermediate stuff, buying time with his feet, being patient
Speaker 1: and efficient in the pocket. I think in the two
Speaker 1: games he's looked he's looked good. Yeah, every everything changes
Speaker 1: in the regular season. When you're just talking about a
Speaker 1: zone read play for him, I mean the zone read
Speaker 1: for Rod Smith sitting back there and Zeke is different
Speaker 1: when you're a linebacker. It's also different when you don't
Speaker 1: really expect Dak to run the ball in the preseason.
Speaker 1: That's not an element that that you're that you're thinking there,
Speaker 1: so you know, when it's just a limited scripted type
Speaker 1: of offense for the for them right now. Uh. And
Speaker 1: with all that, he still did a nice job of
Speaker 1: of moving moving the ball around. So I think there's
Speaker 1: there's some reason to be optimistic there. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: let's see how he does with Looney, you know, let's
Speaker 1: see how the line does with with the calls, you know,
Speaker 1: line calls, who's who's taking over all of that. Um,
Speaker 1: But I think I think Looney's a pro. I compared
Speaker 1: him on the show the other day. I don't think
Speaker 1: either of y'all were on in this show, but um,
Speaker 1: with Nate and I said, you know, Looney's a lot
Speaker 1: like you and I didn't cover him a lot. Mackey.
Speaker 1: You did a jolly you know, you know guy in
Speaker 1: the locker room and likes the joke and make you know,
Speaker 1: but when he gets serious, it's time to get serious
Speaker 1: and he and he knows, he knows how to handle
Speaker 1: his business. So I think Looney will be good in
Speaker 1: that regard. You know what everybody forgets those first date
Speaker 1: games of the year, Dak carried this team. He put
Speaker 1: him on his back. He was playing fantastic, right, That's
Speaker 1: what everybody kept saying. Boy, he just put him on
Speaker 1: his back. Right before Zeke got suspended, they beat Kansas City,
Speaker 1: and I thought that was the best win of the year.
Speaker 1: They were dominant offensively. I think they scored thirty year
Speaker 1: close to it, and it's like, well, they're back to
Speaker 1: doing what they did in sixteen. And then you're right, Mick,
Speaker 1: everything did change. The question for me is still and
Speaker 1: we just have to see it play out, like who's
Speaker 1: stepping up at wide receiver. And then they've got guys
Speaker 1: with talent. Michael Gallup has a lot of talent. Alan
Speaker 1: Herns has proven he can play in this league. We
Speaker 1: know what Beasley can do. We can go down the list,
Speaker 1: But who's going to consistently challenge defenses and prevent them
Speaker 1: from loading up on Ezekiel Elliott can't wait? I can't.
Speaker 1: I really can't remember a time to be so excited
Speaker 1: about the preseason being over in the regular season just
Speaker 1: because we really haven't seen anything yet. We haven't seen
Speaker 1: what these this offense can do. You're not ever going
Speaker 1: to see it, but it just seems like you're never
Speaker 1: really gonna see it in training camp and in the
Speaker 1: in the preseason. Yeah, but we saw even less of
Speaker 1: it than usual. Yeah, Beasley wasn't out there with the
Speaker 1: ones during the games. Tavon Austin was on the shelf
Speaker 1: for the important part of the preseason, did not take
Speaker 1: a carry, didn't play a snap. So it's just really
Speaker 1: easy to look at this team and what you've seen
Speaker 1: on TV, and I don't blame the fans. That's all
Speaker 1: that that they're really getting and to be like this
Speaker 1: is just awful and it has been. It has been
Speaker 1: awful looking last couple of games. But it's just but
Speaker 1: it's it's supposed to be. It's supposed to kind of
Speaker 1: look awful right now. That's what they don't care about
Speaker 1: that they want to make sure the injuries are limited
Speaker 1: and they have been. Yeah. Last time they didn't win
Speaker 1: a preseason game was twenty fourteen. They went own four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and what happened. Jerry Jones said it was going to
Speaker 1: be an uphill battle, went twelve and four. Did he
Speaker 1: really before that? I'll never forget that, Like, I mean,
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones is mister optimism, and he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this might be kind of tough. And then they won
Speaker 1: the division. So and that first hey oh and four
Speaker 1: And that first loss was the season with San Francisco.
Speaker 1: The I'm like, this is going to be a bad year.
Speaker 1: They got destroyed. I mean on the road at AT
Speaker 1: and T Stadium. It was. It was bad, bad, Yeah,
Speaker 1: good times. The DeMarco Murray gets to five thousand yards
Speaker 1: and fine, though there it is. We would we hit
Speaker 1: on all the stuff we need to hit with, like
Speaker 1: the roster, I mean anything, okay, roster cuts three pm,
Speaker 1: buy three pm tomorrow before we get out of Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Always freaking wait right up until the deadline, Like somebody's
Speaker 1: going to announce their cuts today. Some team in the
Speaker 1: league is just gonna be like up here they are, Hey,
Speaker 1: you know who announces the cuts is Twitter. Yep, they
Speaker 1: say they try to get a headstar. They tell the
Speaker 1: guys by see you later, and then they get on
Speaker 1: their phone and they say thank you, Buck Nation and
Speaker 1: and Saint Nation and Cowboy Nation, thank you for everything
Speaker 1: for supporting me over the last three months. Yep. It's
Speaker 1: just like when rookie free agents signed after the draft, right,
Speaker 1: and then you just you gotta piece together that way.
Speaker 1: I just prefer a list, be honest with you. Let's
Speaker 1: get out of those one year. One year there was
Speaker 1: there was a guy walking in the hallway and he
Speaker 1: had like twenty two iPads. He's just walking on. This
Speaker 1: was back when it was like seventy five to fifty
Speaker 1: three and he had twenty two iPads. He was walking
Speaker 1: with their name, you know, and we're just cut cut. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So any final thoughts to Dave as you're predicting this
Speaker 1: fifty three honestly surprises you. We could Sars Jackson. I
Speaker 1: I can't. It's it's him. I would take Darius to
Speaker 1: be honest with you, but I bet it'll be Bo.
Speaker 1: You got to start last night. I bet it'll be Bo. Darius.
Speaker 1: I hope you're right. Honestly, who's been better, hey, Terry
Speaker 1: special teams tackles, Yeah, yeah, Darius has been better. Who's
Speaker 1: been more explosive and versatile? I'd say it looks like
Speaker 1: he could be a pro wrestler who just got drafted mhm,
Speaker 1: saying oh, well he got drafted three years ago. Well,
Speaker 1: I think that matters. I do think it matters. But
Speaker 1: I think when you get into sixth and seventh, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, do you think Covington's gonna have the edge
Speaker 1: over Marshall Lillard just because he was drafted in the
Speaker 1: sixth round? You take the better player, the guy that
Speaker 1: can help you week one? I really do. But what
Speaker 1: about your tight end fourth round pick, Dalton Chultz over Rico?
Speaker 1: That's another one you're keeping all four? If you're keeping Rico,
Speaker 1: I don't think you're cutting Dalton. I don't either either.
Speaker 1: I think I'm not shameless plug. But if you go
Speaker 1: go get on the website the video we did earlier
Speaker 1: this week where we I mean, I don't think every
Speaker 1: name we put on there is gonna make it. I think, like,
Speaker 1: I mean, no one that won't because Various Wards not
Speaker 1: a cowboy anymore. Yeah, But I think if you're just
Speaker 1: looking for a thought process on how it's going to
Speaker 1: shape up. I think we did a pretty good job.
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Speaker 1: they might make on Sunday and probably into next week
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