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Speaker 1: Hey there, podcast listeners, Welcome to Part Time Genius. Now.

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Speaker 1: As many of you may remember from a bonus episode

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Speaker 1: a few weeks ago, our lead researcher, Gabeluisier was in

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Speaker 1: studio with us here in Atlanta, and he was here

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Speaker 1: a few days and something weird happened during that visit,

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Speaker 1: and I felt like you should all know about this.

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Speaker 1: So we just left the office. We were all headed

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Speaker 1: to dinner, and Mango throws out this fact about Little Debbie.

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Speaker 1: And then you can't just throw that out there and

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Speaker 1: not share the facts, all right, so let me just

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Speaker 1: share it with the audience. So basically, unlike Aunt Jemima

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Speaker 1: or joe Is Suzu, who were pure marketing inventions and

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Speaker 1: like the ideas of copywriters, Little Debbie was actually a

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Speaker 1: real person. And she was the granddaughter of the company's founder.

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Speaker 1: And what's strange is that her granddad used her image

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Speaker 1: without her parents permission, and her parents were pissed about.

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Speaker 1: I bet they were, yeah, And of course years later

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Speaker 1: she became an exact at their company and then so

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Speaker 1: it all worked out. That's all you have to do

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Speaker 1: to make somebody happy, all right. So that was the

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Speaker 1: fact that Mango shared with us. I thought it was

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Speaker 1: a good fact, and and and so Gabe then made

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Speaker 1: a comment about how many interesting facts are just sitting

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Speaker 1: on the shelves of the grocery store. And we just

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Speaker 1: happened to be passing a Kroger on our way to dinner.

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Speaker 1: So that gives Mango an idea. And now I should

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Speaker 1: preface this by saying, we're talking about the same Mango

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Speaker 1: that so many listeners have described as always sounding happy,

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Speaker 1: and many of them have said I feel like I

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Speaker 1: can hear him smiling. But what they don't know is

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Speaker 1: just how competitive Mango can be. So Mango just says

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Speaker 1: pull over. I didn't say that. I think I said

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Speaker 1: something like, I've got an idea. You can't get me

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Speaker 1: pull into this parking lot. Well, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: that's how he said it. And in fact, we have

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Speaker 1: Gabe with us here on the line. So so, so, Gabe,

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Speaker 1: can you back me up a little on this one.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think he might have said I've got

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Speaker 1: an idea, But yeah, the way he said it sounded

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Speaker 1: urgent and earn enough, we should probably pull over. True,

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Speaker 1: that's true. Any anyway, Mango then explains his idea. So

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Speaker 1: so we'd each walk to the middle of the grocery store,

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Speaker 1: and he said this with such a serious face. We

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Speaker 1: knew this something very real. And so then after saying

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Speaker 1: one to three go, we'd all have sixty seconds to

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Speaker 1: three items that we then wanted to share facts about.

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Speaker 1: But we'd have to be back in the center aisle

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Speaker 1: before the sixty seconds was up, and if we were late,

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Speaker 1: he said we'd be disqualified. And he didn't even want

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Speaker 1: to hear our fact. Again, I didn't say any of

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Speaker 1: that day. Packed me up here. We're getting kind of confrontational.

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Speaker 1: Don't put me in the middle of this, guys. I

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Speaker 1: really I don't remember what he said exactly, but let's

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Speaker 1: just say this was definitely a side of Mango I

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Speaker 1: hadn't seen before. The man was ready to compete, all right.

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Speaker 1: So so before I could even ask questions or confirm

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Speaker 1: I feel like Mango just screamed go, and then I

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Speaker 1: It took me a few seconds to remember what we

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Speaker 1: were actually trying to do. But so here's what you

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Speaker 1: was volts of that sixty second dash. So now that

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Speaker 1: you know who to thank or blame for this one,

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Speaker 1: let's get started. Hey there, podcast listeners, welcome back to

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Speaker 1: Part time Genius. Okay, So we talked about this ridiculous

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Speaker 1: game that Mango put us up to, and for some reason,

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Speaker 1: Gabe and I agreed to. So we each pulled three

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Speaker 1: We're gonna let you start off first. I can't even

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Speaker 1: actually remember which direction you ran. I was so focused

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Speaker 1: Reagan's right, And yeah, it's it's no secret at this

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Speaker 1: that Reagan was a big fan of jelly beans. Mango said,

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Speaker 1: you'd heard that as well, But I didn't know that

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Speaker 1: it was especially jelly bellies. And I didn't realize the

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Speaker 1: quantities of these. But so why did he like them

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Speaker 1: so much? Anyway? Well, yeah, he first started eating him

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Speaker 1: served a practical purpose, you know, beyond simple snacking. But

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Speaker 1: Reagan also seemed to appreciate jelly beans is some kind

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Speaker 1: of litmus test for the people he mad. So this

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Speaker 1: one time he said, quote, you can tell a lot

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Speaker 1: for instance, the company created a new blueberry flavor jelly

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Speaker 1: it only got crazier from there. So Reagan upped his

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Speaker 1: and he has those distributed among the White House, Capitol Hill,

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Speaker 1: of Americans continue to honor President Reagan and all kinds

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Speaker 1: this portrait of him made from ten thousand Jellybelly jelly

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Speaker 1: that's pretty incredible. Well, you got us off to a

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Speaker 1: went to the High Museum exhibit of Warhol in Atlanta

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Speaker 1: from from Aisle seven come all the time, okay, And honestly,

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Speaker 1: if you haven't gone, it is amazing. And I'm not

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Speaker 1: But of course, so when I passed the Campbell soup cans,

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Speaker 1: that Campbell's discontinued some of the soups, Like he made

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Speaker 1: What is that? I know, It's apparently a Campbell soup

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Speaker 1: But here's my actual fact about the series. So in

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Speaker 1: collection of Andy Warhol interviews, Warhol gripes that despite everything

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Speaker 1: That's pretty great. Actually, I had another fact that I

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Speaker 1: Warhole connection in one of my facts, all right, and

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Speaker 1: I'll get to that connection in just a second. But

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Speaker 1: surprise you, Mango. So so Mango knows this about our family.

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Speaker 1: But every year we go on a beach trip in

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Speaker 1: so we'll buy like ten or fifteen boxes of these

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Speaker 1: So Kellogg actually wasn't really planning to make them, But

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Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty four, their biggest competitor, Post announced it

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Speaker 1: But the two big mistakes were one, they took way

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, Gabe, let's go back to you. Actually,

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Speaker 1: most people who grew up with Saturday morning cartoons, Breakfast

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Speaker 1: But I found the picking which cereal to share fun

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Speaker 1: one of my childhood's favorite Lucky Charms. Lucky Chimes has

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Speaker 1: You know those squshy orange marshmallows made to look like peanuts,

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