WEBVTT - Bonus Episode: RIP David Johansen and Gene Hackman 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:04.800 Hey, Discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life, 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:08.039 just to touch to get you through. Yeah, me too. 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:12.000 This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:31.040 to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode, 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:33.440 a little thing we like to call the after party. 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:36.000 This is the show after the show, the party after 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:38.040 the party, the bridge to get you from one full 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:40.800 episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:43.760 into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:47.520 about this week's episode subject, Dennis Hopper. We are also 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:50.920 discussing two cultural giants that we lost last week, David 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:54.040 Johansson and Gene Hackman, and we get into your voicemails, 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:58.000 text DMS emails and as always, a whole lot of rosie. 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:16.640 All right, Discos, let's get into it. So, since the 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:21.720 last time we talked, which was during last week's after Party, 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:25.240 we lost two giants. I think we can use that 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:29.440 word giants from the world of entertainment. David Johansson and 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:35.720 Gene Hackman, two men, two artists of immense influence. David Johansson, 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:38.399 of course, as a New York doll, he was the 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:41.120 last living New York Doll as well, a band that 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:44.160 he led, A band that directly influenced so many others, 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:49.040 A band as exciting and thrilling and dangerous as the 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:53.280 city that it represented, A band largely reflective of David 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:58.760 Johansson's unique style and personality, which was tough, witty, funny. 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:03.440 I caught a class. If David Johansson never created The 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:07.200 New York Dolls, it's doubtful, Like I really truly mean this, 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:09.639 This isn't this isn't hyperbole. It's doubtful that we would 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:14.000 have had bands like the Stooges, the Ramones, And if 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:15.480 we didn't have the Ramones, then we wouldn't have had 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:17.799 the Clash or the Sex Pistols, and we definitely wouldn't 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:19.600 have had you know, without the New York Dolls, we 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:23.520 definitely wouldn't have had Kiss or Molly Cruet. At the 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:26.400 very least, Motley Crue would have been a hell of 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:29.200 a different band. If The New York Dolls never made 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:31.800 it into Nikki Six's record collection, I didn't grow up 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:33.600 in a New York Dolls fan. They were before my time. 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:35.480 I came to them late. I came to them actually 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:40.320 through Johnny Thunders's solo stuff. So I wasn't there obviously 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:43.680 when they started. It was before I was born. But 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:45.919 in the research I've done, both on the New York 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:50.480 Dolls and on bands like Blake Blondie and reading, especially 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:53.880 in reading Legs McNeil's book Please Kill Me, you really 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:56.960 get a sense of the stir, the unique stir, the 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:00.720 unique energy that the New York Dolls excitement that the 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:05.359 New York Dolls created in New York City at their spark, 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:08.400 at their beginning, specifically around the early seventies shows and 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:14.600 the Mercer Arts Center shows that were depicted in How 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:17.959 Was That Movie? The TV show on HBO Vinyl. These 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:22.840 shows were the coolest of the coolest shows by every estimation. 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:25.520 This whole scene that the New York Dolls had kind 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:29.240 of built and that had sprung up around them around 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:32.480 the creation of their band, it was fell all over 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:35.280 the city. I mean, from a young Jeffrey Ross Hyman 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:39.520 aka Joey Ramone to Bette Midler. I've even read accounts 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:42.640 of John Lennon. If not you know, being a fan 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:44.520 of the New York Dolls at least being interested or 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:46.160 aware of what was going on at the time, and 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:48.560 like I said, Bette Miller was hanging out down there. 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:51.280 I read it wasn't true. I checked it this morning. 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:53.640 I read that Hendricks was at a New York Dolls show. 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:55.240 When I checked that out, and he died, I believe 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:57.640 the year before they came to be, So if you 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:01.080 read that, that's not true. But of course Bette Midler, 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:03.480 a host of others who went on to become famous, 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:08.080 Debbie Harry, too many to mention. The Dolls were the 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:12.320 hottest thing in New York, unquestionably, and they were one 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:15.200 of those bands that, of course didn't sell a lot 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:18.719 of records, but whose influence is still being felt in 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:22.120 our culture fifty years later, even beyond music with style, 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:25.039 with filmmaking. I'm actually have a film on the back 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:29.600 on in the background right now. It's called Smithereens. It's 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:32.240 just playing on Criterion Channel, and it's said in the eighties, 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:35.279 early eighties, I believe in Manhattan, and just from the 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:36.520 look of it and the feel of it and the 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:37.960 sound of it and all of it, you can you 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:40.240 can feel the influence of the New York Dolls in 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:43.560 this little indie movie. David Johansson was a was a 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:47.479 star for sure, despite the band not selling a bunch 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:49.520 of records, so you know, even as a star, though, 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:53.039 it's hard to even explain the type of the type 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:57.000 of star that David Johansson was in The New York Dolls. 0:04:57.040 --> 0:04:59.920 I mean, he's he's an everyman, tough guy, but he 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:03.400 he's in lipstick and high heels and he's got this 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:07.320 androgynous image that he's projecting while he's fronting the New 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:11.160 York Dolls. But he's still, like I said, tough, fast talking, 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:15.599 the scrappy New York cab driver. All that worked in 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:20.160 contrast with his band personas somehow, and it just all 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:25.120 added up to this certain brand of icon. David Johansson 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:27.679 was the best type of rock star. He was many 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:32.360 things at once, just like New York City. Okay, I've 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:34.520 said that about New York City in the past. It's obvious, 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:36.800 but David Johansson was more than just the front man 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:38.680 of the New York Dolls. Of course, he was the 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:42.440 Buster Poindexter character that monster hit from the eighties, Hot 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:45.880 Hot Hot. He was an actor, most notably as the 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:48.320 Ghost of Christmas Past and Bill Murray Scrooge, and I'm 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:51.560 sure there's a host of other roles that I'm not 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:54.360 thinking of right now that are more indicative of just 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:59.680 how awesome David Johansson was. I had a brief, a brief, 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:02.680 very brief personal exchange with David Johannson about five years ago, 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:06.920 and you know, I was fully aware of the legend 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:09.280 that he is, and I found him just in that 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:13.440 moment to be gentle and kind, and he just projected 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:17.520 this this ease about him that was just beyond cool. 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:21.240 That's that's how I would describe it. So rest in peace, 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:25.000 David Johansson. There's there's been a gazillion oh bits about 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:28.200 him and tributes and a lot more eloquent than what 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:29.520 I just laid out to you, and I just tried 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:31.960 to give it to you raw and sort of semi 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:35.640 off the coff of how I felt, how I feel 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:38.880 I should say about David Johansson's place in rock and 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:41.880 roll history. And I think if you asked he yesked 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:43.800 all the greats, they'd give you something similar to what 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:46.159 I just gave you. David Johansson was a one of 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:48.920 a kind artist who broke the mold, and he will 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:54.320 forever ever be missed. We also lost Gene Hackman, and 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:59.880 you know, like David Johansson, Gene Hackman was immensely influential 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:03.640 own ways that are harder to qualify. I think. Where 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:05.800 Johanson was sort of over the top and burst into 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:10.160 our cultural consciousness in these brief, impactful moments, leaving a 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:14.400 loud mark on music and film, Gene Hackman, to me, anyway, 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:20.160 was so good and so consistent that it's almost it's 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:23.600 almost like we took him for granted. Yet there he was. 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:27.080 He's in all these great roles year after year. I 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:30.400 threw out my childhood, from before my childhood, you know, 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:33.400 into my adulthood, Gene Hackman just kind of always there, 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:36.559 always pumping out great role after roll after roll, until 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:39.680 he suddenly wasn't and when he stopped making movies and 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:41.640 retired from the public eye about I guess what a 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:45.040 decade ago, two decades ago, how many of us even 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:48.559 really noticed? I know I didn't, I'm ashamed to say. 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:52.720 And I say this because a couple of months ago 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:55.960 is when I realized this, when these paparazzi photos of 0:07:56.000 --> 0:08:00.000 a gaunt looking Gene Hackman in his nineties were really, 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:03.440 he doesn't look anything like like we remember him as 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:05.280 and it was at that moment that I realized that 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:08.640 he was still around. And I don't know what that's about, 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:14.040 talk about fading away instead of burning out. But again, 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:18.160 there's something really interesting there to me about an artist 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:23.400 who's just so good and so consistent and so prolific 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:28.480 that we take them for granted, and we don't really 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:33.240 give ourselves the time and the moments to celebrate them 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:37.040 and to really dig in and shout about them and 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:40.679 geek out on them. And Gene Hackman was just always there. 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:45.360 His filmography is as impressive as almost any other great 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:49.079 twentieth century actor. I mean, these movies are incredible, French Connection, 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:55.319 Hoosier's Bonnie and Clyde Royal Tenantbaumbs, the Firm. The Firm's great. 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:57.679 I know there's going to be Cinophiles out there who 0:08:57.720 --> 0:08:58.760 are like the Firm. When are you talking with the 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:04.079 Firm's fucking awesome. And he is tremendous and unforgiven. Even Superman, Mississippi, 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:10.040 Burning Young Frankenstein, and of course the Conversation Hackman is 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:15.520 so good, so consistent, and so Gene Hackmany and all 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:17.800 these films, Like I said, we take him for granted. 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:19.839 At least I do. That's my take. I don't know 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:22.480 if you guys feel that way. And there's just something 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:24.360 to be said about that, that greatness that is so 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:27.480 steady that it goes unnoticed. And that's what I believe 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:29.840 Gene Hackman had, and I believe that he had a 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:33.880 career that most actors in Hollywood would die for. And 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:37.000 that's actually something we need to talk about, is you 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:40.640 know how Gene Hackman himself died. We're still figuring it out. 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:45.960 David Johansson died through cancer. Gene Hackman's death alongside his wife, 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:51.679 Betsy Arakawa, is still very much under investigation. If you're 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:54.560 unaware of what happened. Their bodies were found in different 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.880 parts of their home in Santa Fe, New Mexico. Odutopsy 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:02.360 and toxicology reports are still pending. There were pills scattered 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:06.839 around the body of Hackman's wife, but not around Gene 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:11.280 Hackman himself. Both are believed to have been deceased for 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:13.959 as long as a week, possibly a little bit longer 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:18.720 before they were discovered when this happened last week. The 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:22.000 fact that their dog was found to be dead as 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:24.880 well led everyone to believe that or to speculate, I 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:27.760 should say that this was carbon monoxide poisoning and that's 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:31.160 what was to be blamed, but apparently that's been ruled out. 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:35.000 There are no signs of trauma to their bodies, if 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:38.240 we're to believe what's been reported. There's no signs of 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:44.719 foul play. But both these deaths are strange. Hackman was 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:47.760 ninety five, okay, obviously no spring chicken. His wife though, 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:50.160 was sixty five. How did they both die at the 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:53.679 same time in different parts of the house. And what's 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:56.320 up with their dog being dead? Twelve year old dog 0:10:56.480 --> 0:11:00.360 found dead on the scene as well. Anyways, find out 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:04.800 and we'll do something a little more fully on Gene 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:07.040 Hackman in the future. And of course we have a 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:10.640 New York Dolls episode. What that gets into, you know, 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:12.360 obviously David Johansson in front of that band, so we 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:13.800 do a lot on David Johanson there. But I think 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:16.480 there could actually be some sort of David Johansson tribute 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:19.680 episode in the future. There's more to that guy's career 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:22.800 than we obviously get into in the New York Dolls episode. 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:25.640 And I'm just frankly fascinated by the guy. So I'd 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:27.640 love to stick my head and stick my head in 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:29.199 that wormhole for a couple of weeks and come out 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:30.680 the other side with something cool for you guys to 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:32.440 listen to. So maybe we'll do that in the future. 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:35.680 And uh yeah, Hackman David Johansson. Two deaths in the 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:39.920 past week heavy stuff. One death mysterious, one death rather uneventful. 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:44.000 Both sad, two lives well lived with massive contributions to 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:46.280 our culture. Both men will be missed by millions, including 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:48.920 of course those of us here in disgraceland. Speaking of 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:53.600 disgrace about Sean Combs and that lawyer who quit the 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:57.000 TikTok rumor uh why yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:00.280 rumor mill will not quit And what's being bandied out 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:05.160 as the reason why Ditty's attorney bailed. It's so disgusting, 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:07.439 it's so grotesque. I can't repeat it here in this space, 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:08.680 but if you want to know my thoughts on it, 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:10.199 you can hit me up in the Patreon chat. We 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:14.000 can talk about it over there in private, like proper degenerates, 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:19.560 behind closed doors, privacy of our own digital home. Related 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:22.760 news to Diddy, jay Z is suing the accuser who 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:25.679 brought a lawsuit against him through Tony buzzby jay Z 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:28.520 suing that accuser for defamation. And as I say, if 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:31.000 you go for the King, you better not miss they missed, 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:34.160 and here comes jay Z speaking of kings. We got 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:37.320 some Dennis Hopper, We got some Stevie Rayvaughn, Dennis Hopper. 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:39.880 Of course, this week's full episode of Disgrace sand Stevie 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:44.720 ravon last week's exclusive episode for our All Access members, 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:46.240 We're going to be talking about those guys in this 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:48.280 year after party. Before we get to that, I want 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:50.240 to talk about what's coming up in Disgrace andd Next 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:53.559 to your feed are our rewind episodes on Tupac Secure, 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:56.120 and these have particular relevance right now because of Sean 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:57.880 Combs as we get ready to go into this Sean 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:02.520 Diddy Coombs trial into two months. It's right, two months 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:06.280 May fifth, still on the books. Okay, so we got 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:08.800 a bone up, got a bone up on our nineties 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:13.640 hip hop true crime. There's really five episodes on the 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:18.080 whole Tupac and Biggie saga. When I started Disgracing on 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:21.199 the first season, there's a joint episode on Tupac and 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:24.360 Biggie thirty minutes, and then about two years after that, 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:27.520 I released two two part episodes, one on Tupac himself 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:29.800 and one on the Notorious Big that book ended a 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:32.160 season of Disgraceland. I think they did. I think they 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:34.959 book ended it. Anyways, they all came out around early 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:37.360 twenty twenty. But this Tupac episode, if you have not 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:39.800 heard it, this two part two Pac episode, you were 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:41.120 in for a treat. And like I said, if you 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:43.520 have heard it, time to listen again. Time to bone up, 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:45.720 get ready for this trial. It's coming on Sean Combs 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:48.800 in a couple months. And plus, you know, with everything 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:51.800 that we've learned about Sean Combs and about Tupac's murder 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:53.120 in the last few years, I want to know what 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:55.560 you guys think about Tupac's murder. I want to know 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:57.080 what you guys think about how I depict it in 0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:02.120 these episodes and what else is happening. Oh yeah, next Tuesday, 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:04.199 Saint Patty's Day. I know people hate when I say 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:05.600 Saint Patty's Day, but I don't care. I grew up 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:07.840 in Clinton, Massachusetts. You could not be more irish, you 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:10.480 could not be more Catholic. And I know, I know, 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:12.880 I know there's there's purists out there who say that 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:16.959 the Irish, the true cat the true Irish, the true Catholics, 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.560 don't say Saint Patty's Day. Well, I grew up amongst 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:22.360 I'm Catholic myself. I grew up amongst Catholics and we 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:24.000 said it. So I'm not going to stop it. Okay, 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:26.800 I'm not Saint Patrick's Day. There, I said it for you. 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:30.240 For Saint Patrick's Day, also known as Saint Patty's Day. 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:32.480 We have a Thin Lizzy episode that's coming up, that's 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:34.120 on Tuesday. That's for you guys to hear. When you're 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:36.040 listening to this Thin Lizzy episode, I want you to 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:40.480 be thinking about the greatest Irish bands of all time. 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:44.160 Okay you can. You can tell me drop Kick Murphy's 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:47.160 and I'll take it, all right, I'll accept it. They're great. 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:50.480 I love them. They're amazing. But you're gonna get bonus 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:54.480 points for Irish bands. Okay, there ain't that many of 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:58.680 them speaking to Catholics. Uh My priest went to high 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:00.280 school with some of the guys from you too. How 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:02.120 cool is that? So I know what his answer is, 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:04.720 but I want to know yours. Who is it? Let 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:06.480 me know, be thinking about that when that then Lizzy 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:08.880 episode pops next week. I'll be back in a flash 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:11.160 right after this with your voicemails, your texts, your DMS 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:34.400 emails and more. All right, we are back. Just a 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:37.320 quicker reminder of the Apple podcast listeners have auto downloads 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:39.800 turned on so that you're not missing out on any episodes. 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:42.360 All right, six one seven nine oh six six six 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:44.000 three eight to leave me a voicemail and send me 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:47.520 a text. Last week's Marilyn Monroe episodes being rewound in 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:51.000 your feed. We asked the question of do you think 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:55.800 that the Kennedys had anything to do with Marilyn Monroe's death? 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:58.600 And here is an answer from Who's this from? This 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:02.760 is from THEE. 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:05.360 Hey Jake, this is Jesse from the sixty one nine. No, 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:08.200 it's easy to say that the Kennedy's had something to 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:12.320 do with Marilyn Monroe's death. I think us as human 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:16.760 beings just automatically assume that just because someone was affiliated 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:20.160 with someone in a powerful position, that oh, we had 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:22.640 to go ahead and take this person out. No, I 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:28.440 don't think that was it. I just think that circumstances 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:31.240 may have contributed to her death. But me personally, I 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:33.840 just don't think it was the Kennedy's. Thanks everything you 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:36.440 do for the show, win for getting all this creative 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:37.560 stuff for us to listen to. 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:41.160 Man, thanks six one nine, Jesse, I agree with you one. 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:44.600 I know that's not that interesting. I know the big 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:49.360 juicy conspiracy theory is more interesting. But you know, I 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:50.880 think the Kennedy's in a lot of way, In a 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:52.960 lot of ways, we're shits, and they did some pretty 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:57.200 pretty awful stuff. But I think on balance, especially Bobby Kennedy, 0:16:57.240 --> 0:16:59.520 I think he was a good dude. And yeah, he 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:02.640 may have been in love with Meril Monroe, but I mean, hey, 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:04.080 can you fucking blame the guy? I mean, come on, 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:06.040 but does does that mean he killed her? I don't 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:08.640 think so. I agree one hundred percent with your take 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:11.720 on this, Jesse. We also, you know, we released the 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:15.000 stevee Yvonne episode in our all access to our all 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:17.000 access members. If you didn't get in the feed, it's 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:18.840 because you're not a member of the unit of a 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:21.360 membership for the all access part of Disgrace and five 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:24.240 bucks a months by the way, So so a lot 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:27.040 of talk with about Steve yvon which was last last 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:30.880 month's exclusive episode. I always stumble over how to say that. 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:33.400 That went to our all Access members and we got 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:35.800 this call here regarding Steve Yvon from Curtis in the 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:36.240 five to one. 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:39.640 Three, Hey, Jake Is Curtis from five to one to three, 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:41.000 that's Middletown, Ohio. 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:42.040 Uh. 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:44.440 You asked the question about. 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:49.760 Artists who found themselves in a supporting role to another artist. Well, 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:54.679 to have a continuation on Stevie ray Vaughn's story, what 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:59.280 I heard a few months ago was that when Stevie 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:07.200 Ray left David Bowie's tour, David Bowie went and found 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:10.560 another guitarist who happened to be kind of down on 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:12.840 his luck at the time, and it happened to be 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:18.280 Peter Frampton. Research that but that's what I heard on something. 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:21.200 I forget what it was, but that's a big thing 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:22.879 too later. 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:27.440 Curtis, I'd never heard that before. I'm not surprised Peter 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:30.359 Frampton backing up David Bowie. I could see Bowie throwing 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:33.560 throwing Frampton Frampton a bone there bring him on tour. 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:36.520 But you know, Curtis, I actually have a lot of 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:38.439 research I'm already doing, so I'm not I'm not going 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:42.240 to research that as you, as you so politely told 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:44.200 me to do. But if anyone else wants to check 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:45.720 that out and get back to Curtis and I hear, 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:48.480 we will gladly take your hard work and try and 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:52.680 figure this out. Did Peter Frampton support David Bowie after 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:55.200 Stevie Rayvaugh split from Bowie's band? If you want to 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:57.080 hear more about how Stevie Rayvaugh split, what it was 0:18:57.119 --> 0:18:58.840 like playing with Bowie, all that stuff, you can listen. 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:01.480 Like I said to the All Access episode on Steve Ravan, 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:04.760 we got to become a member, all right. Regarding David Johansson, 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:09.119 this voicemail comes from the four one five. 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:13.639 Easy for you to say, Jake, Hey there, Michael Lean. 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:20.760 He's calling from San Francisco on cloudy Saturday afternoon. Just 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:25.320 got the news about the passing of David Johanson and 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:29.600 I am listening to your Dolls episode in a sort 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:35.200 of humble tribute to him. People say that when somebody passes, 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:38.000 somebody's oh, a bit of my childhood just passed, And 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:41.000 I really feel that way today. I mean, I was 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:43.119 one of a handful of people in my high school 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:46.320 who dug the Dolls. Even wrote about him in my 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:49.359 who school newspaper, and you know they were just you know, 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:54.040 no them, no pistols, no Ramones, no Green Day, you know, 0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:54.760 none of that. 0:19:55.200 --> 0:20:00.760 He was a gentleman and a spiritual scholar and a 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:05.159 scholar rather. You know, I really feel lucky to have 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:06.960 seen them at the Fillmore here in. 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:10.600 San Francisco in two thousand and five. Six well as 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:16.320 Samanson himself would say, let's just dance and uh, thanks 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:19.159 for what you guys do. Keep that Prenshaw's Facebook g 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:20.240 going all right. 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:22.640 Four one five Michael Lane, he thank you so much 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:25.560 for the for the call. Yeah, you nailed it. I 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:26.960 said pretty much the same thing at the top of 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:28.800 the show. I mean, I share your sentiments one hundred 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:30.479 percent on David Johansson and the influence that the New 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:34.000 York Dolls had, specifically that David had himself. He was 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:37.000 I believe the spark. Not to take anything away from 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:39.000 the other guys in the band, Johnny Thunders in particular, 0:20:39.040 --> 0:20:42.000 but I appreciate your sentiment. I appreciate your call, appreciate 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:44.600 the emotion. We're all a little a little bit, a 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:48.000 little bit raw. After the death of David Johansson six 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:49.960 one seven, nine o six six six three eight. You 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:51.440 guys want to call me about anything, you want to 0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:53.560 vent about anything going on in the world. You want 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:55.600 to commiserate with our grief over the passing of a 0:20:55.640 --> 0:20:57.399 couple legends. We can do that as well. You can 0:20:57.480 --> 0:20:59.560 hit me on text, you can hit me on voicemail 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:01.399 like Michael here and the others, you know, with the 0:21:01.480 --> 0:21:04.720 David Johansson and Gene Hackman passing. I've talked very little 0:21:04.760 --> 0:21:07.439 in the last few days, even in this podcast already. 0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:09.520 I've talked very little about Dennis Hopper in the episode 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:11.200 that we had. So let's go to this voicemail here, 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:16.600 this one coming from the seven eight one back in Massachusetts. 0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:21.080 Jake, what up? It's Ish, Hope Aul as well. 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:26.119 Regarding your question of the week, who is the most 0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:31.520 rock and roll actor in Hollywood? I wouldn't say this 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:35.000 person is the most, but he's definitely a bit rock 0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:38.600 and roll. I'm gonna go with Mickey Rourke. I don't 0:21:38.640 --> 0:21:42.320 know something about him, just screams rock and roll. 0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:46.960 Uh yeah, that's all I got. Hope Aul as well, 0:21:47.280 --> 0:21:48.400 just go Ish. 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:50.800 Appreciate you man as always, thanks for the call. I 0:21:50.840 --> 0:21:52.840 wonder what Dennis Hopper thought of Mickey Rourke. I think 0:21:52.840 --> 0:21:55.480 he would share your sentiment there for sure. Mickey Rourke 0:21:55.600 --> 0:22:00.600 is fantastic. Just what a force? What a force popa 0:22:00.600 --> 0:22:04.320 Greenwich village? Please tell me you've all seen that. I 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:06.919 kind of want to rewatch that right now. Yeah, I 0:22:06.960 --> 0:22:10.240 do ish. Thanks for reminding me, Mickey Rourke. Dennis Hopper 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:13.440